The Liberal Strategy

542266_561465487196876_588072260_nOf the multitude of political posters flooding social media – humourous or profound – this is one of the better ones. It really does sum up the Liberal Party.

What have we heard of them since 2010? Every policy or piece of legislation introduced by the Gillard Government will either ruin us, blow our town off the map, leave us unemployed, leave us destitute, unable to afford to feed ourselves, frail and unhealthy, pay exorbitant power fees, have our street over-run by illegal boat people, see our mining companies relocate offshore and maybe, see the sky fall in.

But we can all be saved by voting out this incompetent government, to shouts of “hear, hear” from the media fan club. Then they fall silent. They’ve scared us so they’ve done their job.

Tony Abbott’s ‘mandate’ to scare every Australian half to death about the consequences of the ‘carbon tax’ was a classic example. He has visited every business in the country and predicted with fear and smear how the carbon tax would destroy their respective industries and how he was likely to be the last person to walk through their doors. Butchers, bakers, candle-stick makers; there’d be none left after the carbon tax annihilated them.

Whilst Abbott’s performance was annoyingly desperate and overly passionate, it was not unusual behaviour from a Coalition leader.  I have witnessed this code of conduct from Liberal leaders with monotonous regularity over the last couple of decades.

They have generally been powerful enough to win elections for them.

Malcolm Fraser provides an exception.  During the election campaign in 1983 he stridently attacked Labor’s financial integrity suggesting that the banking system would be ruined if the Commie Labor Party was elected and thus peoples’ money would be safer kept under the bed than in a bank.  There was no substance in this claim.  It was a failed attempt to scare the electorate.  In 1983 the electorate wasn’t as ignorant as they would later turn out to be.

Future attempts have been more successful as the average IQ of the electorate plummeted.

Opinion polls in 2001 showed that the Howard Government was facing massive defeat.  The terrorist attacks of September 2001 changed all that, but not enough to Howard’s satisfaction.  He was able to terrorise the gullible electorate into believing that terrorists were hopping onto any rickety old boat heading to Australia and only he could protect us from the murderous intentions of these alleged evildoers.  Abdullah the Butcher and his mates were coming to sacrifice us all.  Oh how different it might have been if an election wasn’t around the corner.  From 1996 to that point of time 221 boatloads of refugees sailed unhindered into Australian waters.  Number 222 – just after the September 2011 attacks –  ran into a bit of trouble and running to its aid was the Norwegian vessel the Tampa.

I’m sure that most readers here will have fresh in their mind the stench surrounding the politicisation of the Tampa incident and how it was the turning point for Howard’s fortunes so I won’t recap it here. Dissecting individual incidents is not the intention of the post but will be welcomed in reader’s comments.

Howard didn’t need any more scare campaigns until 2004, and incidentally, during his calling of an election.  Electing a Labor Government, he warned, would cost you the family home.  Interest rates would go through the roof and as a result his little Aussie battlers would lose the roof over their heads.  He was very effective in pushing this message across, taking aim at Labor’s historic spending patterns and Mark Latham’s record as Mayor of Liverpool, both of which were irrelevant points in this election.  Didn’t he look stupid when he rode us through eleven straight interest rate rises over the next three years?  But it mattered not. We had been saved from the merciless Abdullah and on that point we needed to be reminded.

Dr Haneef helped him.

Howard had to convince the dumbed down electorate that his unpopular counter terrorism legislation was for the good of the country.  It protected us from the likes of the despicable and ill-intentioned Dr Haneef.  It would protect us from every body and every thing that Howard saw as a threat to his battling Aussies.  We were saved by his fridge magnets.  Terrorist alerts were upgraded every five minutes and I have it on good advice that these always coincided with political maneuvers. They were not real. Howard only wanted us to be afraid. Very afraid. The only thing he wanted to protect was his job. The terrorists, to him, were the Labor Party.

So were Aborigines, in particular the Stolen Generation.  Saying sorry to them would send the country broke.  An apology to the Stolen Generations would have legal ramifications and pave the way for huge compensation bills. And that was the unproven basis of his argument, which was rabidly supported from those loyal battlers who didn’t mind the interest rate rises.  It didn’t matter if you lost the family home, just as long as those Aborigines didn’t get any money. During Howard’s gloating about the healthy state of the economy he had the complete morons fearful that we couldn’t afford to pay some Aborigines compensation for the mistreatment they had received at the hands of the State.  You can read about his hypocrisy here.

Now we have prophet Abbott as the pedlar of fear.  Most of it has been over the ‘carbon tax’, which by the time of the election will have been proven to not be as damaging as he had squawked it would. Actually, there has been no damage. He’ll have to move onto something else. Between now and the election what will it be?  My money’s on boat people. It worked for Howard.

234 comments on “The Liberal Strategy

  1. ” There was no substance in this claim. It was a failed attempt to scare the electorate. In 1983 the electorate wasn’t as ignorant as they would later turn out to be.”

    or before Migs. By this time the scare just a bit long in the tooth. There was the wonderful example in Menzies day. It was when there where photo across all the papers. I was young but I can see those big burly men pulling Mrs. Petrov off that plane. I seem to remember a missing shoe.

    .Sure reinforce the scare, that the reds were coming to get us.

    Cannot remember them being charged with any great crime. Spent the rest of their lives in hiding, in some suburban home.

    By Fraser, we were beginning to wake up.

    I believe the Vietnam war change many peoples opinions. Did get them out onto the streets.

    Yes, Howard did indeed prove he was as good as his old hero.

  2. Miglo, have you startted digging the hole you will need to hide in when Labor is blown to oblivion. It will be pleasant to get some objective and non-biased opinion. Pity you have made balanced debate a non-event on this Blog. Good riddance!

  3. Good riddance Curry, and you are far from being able to talk about balanced and unbiased debate hypocrite.

  4. Oh they serve shit coffee @ Cafe Whispers !
    After one of the worst weeks possible for a Government you wonder why?
    Bookies are right on the job .
    Current odds
    LIB $1.16 – 1.20
    ALP $4.30 -5.00
    Wow looks as though even the dead drovers dog will not vote Labor
    as the bookies see it.

  5. Pity that Abbott can’t even be imaginative..at least those fridge magnets were constant reminders that we should be “afraid..terribly afraid”.. Perhaps Tony could provide every voting citizen with something like this just as a reminder of how he is going to turn the boats around.

  6. Comment at Independent Australia. Excerpt:

    Given that the Media are solidly against Labor and solidly for the Coalition, I for one am not surprised that the government is trailing.

    Any group of people who are vilified all day everyday in almost every newspaper, TV and radio station will find their popularity dropping.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/fear-and-loathing-in-canberra/#comment-121579

    How come the Noalition need so much propping up? Disabled ethically and policy-wise, I suggest. On constant media life-support.

  7. I seem to recall a certain “spicy” troll having announced its departure from this blog on more than one occasion previously. Look at me, I’m leaving!: Classic trolling behaviour.

  8. Great compliment from Voyager Migs, really on top of your game at the moment.

    Voyager is about as credible as Bolt who called Gratton a Stalinist and a biased lefty.

    Must be debilitating to be so ideologically handicapped so as to be disconnected from reality and go through life with with eyes wide shut.

  9. Yes Cuppa they can’t even tell the truth about running away for good so how do expect anyone to believe them on anything else.

  10. That’s right ME, lies go to the core (“non-core”) of the politics they have fallen for. Not surprisingly it rubs off on them.

  11. Meanwhile gillard accuses own MPs of trying to destroy her, leaking to media…

    “JULIA Gillard has accused her own MPs of trying to destroy her Government from within as she addressed a shattered caucus ahead of the resumption of Parliament tomorrow.

    A source inside the caucus told The Daily Telegraph that the PM said she was aware that MPs had been leaking to journalists with the intention of backgrounding against the Government. Backgrounding is where politicians provide sensitive information to journalists under the assumption they will not be named.

    In a clear sign that Ms Gillard and her backers are concerned about another challenge being mounted against her leadership, the PM said that marginal seat MPs would be the only ones to suffer from the continuous leaking.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/pm-accuses-mps-of-trying-to-destroy-govt/story-fncynjr2-1226570172009

    LABOR’S PARTY IS OVER: Guess who’s gone and who’s next

    Brilliant!

  12. A source told the Telegraph, That’s as likely as Steve Lewis not knowing the exact “arrest time of Thomson”

    Still Lewis is a better actor than Abbott

  13. Taking from the poor to give to billionaires. Are you proud of yourselves, Liberal trolls? This the sort of country you want to set up for your descendants?

    Abbott to up super tax on battlers

    …Mr Abbott yesterday pledged there would be “no unexpected changes that are detrimental to people’s superannuation” if he becomes prime minister, but he confirmed a previous announcement that a Coalition government would axe $1 billion a year in super concessions for low-income earners, funded by the mining tax the Coalition also plans to scrap.

    [my emphasis]

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/abbott-to-up-super-tax-on-battlers/story-fncyva0b-1226566241450

  14. Sue it appears the five police spent the night before at Terrigal.

    To do something that could have been done by email.

    Wonder when they went back to Melbourne.

  15. Does one notice we do not see the trolls when the news is good.

    Not used to seeing adults rubbing in bad news to others. One generally sees that among young children.

  16. I believe Abbott gave similar spiel to his mob. It is what leasers do,
    Wonder who are doing all the talking from Rudd;so called camp. All seemed to do well with promotions this week.

  17. Um, sorry to pick but it’s actually Haneef not Hanif…..

    Thanks – I’ll fix it when I get on my computer later (Miglo). 😳

  18. Curry, why do we need a hole if Abbott is elected, We will do as one does in a democracy,

    We will respect the government that has been decided by the voters.

    We will do this as we know we will have another chance in three years.

    At the same time, we will exercise our rights to protest about things so not believe is good for the country, in the hope of getting change.

    This is what one is also able to do in a democracy.

  19. Megalogenis has a quiz on Twitter.

    A Mega quiz: We know the election date. So how close was Newspoll at same point in previous cycles, seven months out from the real thing?

  20. The book Notes On Democracy by H. L. Mencken was first printed in 1926 and I think he was writing of all the Tony Abbotts from then to now when he said:

    He is willing to embrace any issue, however idiotic, that will get him votes, and he is willing to sacrifice any principle, however sound, that will lose them for him

    And Mencken also wrote of all the MSMs from then to now:

    They [the media] constitute the only effective opposition and one of their clearest duties is to keep a wary eye on the gentlemen who operate this great nation, and only too often slip into the assumption that they own it. When newspapers fail in their duty, which is usually, we are at the quacks’ mercy</I?

  21. My feeling – my radar – tells me that given the lack of terrorist activity in the West has lessened anxieties somewhat and people no longer have the sense of ‘dread’ that Howard fostered to his advantage.

    If Abbott wants to shift his focus from carbon to boats I think he’ll be wasting his time.

    Interesting piece in Fairfax today by Ross Gittins tells what is probably the next big thing to be exploited by Abbott – the Economy (remember that phrase “it’s the economy stupid” ).

    Keep a look out…

  22. Oh Cuppa take off those rose coloured glasses.
    Taking millions / billions from the poor.
    You must be talking about one of your own here .
    Smiling Eddie Obeid .
    And his sons
    And his other hangers on.
    Rooted Labor corruption – goes unaddressed as always.

  23. Qand A. Pyne has a beauty served up to him by another person. The young, one after another bought up a feelings on disconnect.

    Could that arise from the MSM and the Opposition that has managed to create a false perception of the PM, that has no relationship to reality they see around them/.

    Could it be what they are hearing, does nor compute with what they see around them.

    I am sure most will be surprised of the many benefits raised, that they are going to lose. I am sure many do not realise they even exist.

  24. Catching up
    FEBRUARY 4, 2013 @ 8:38 PM
    “Does one notice we do not see the trolls when the news is good.

    Not used to seeing adults rubbing in bad news to others. One generally sees that among young children”

    Depends on for whom the news is good, CU. My posts reflect good news, the impending demise of the ghastly gillard govt, the tanking of the useless carbon indulgences, the improved polling of Abbott as preferred PM and the growing distrust of gillard in the Australian electorate, 53% and headed up!

    On the other hand we have childish ad homs and abuse aplenty here, the sort of thing generally seen amongst children…

  25. VS said “Rooted Labor corruption – goes unaddressed as always.”….. so you’ve not heard about the court case going on at the moment then 🙄
    ….. which ‘poor’ you talking about there VS……. the poor previous owners that sold the properties to the Obieds or are you talking about the poor Company that bought the mining rights…. 😕 …. can’t see how it involved anyone else, ” little lone” the poor. 🙄

  26. “Could that arise from the MSM and the Opposition that has managed to create a false perception of the PM, that has no relationship to reality they see around them”

    Not at all, gillard has in fact created a false perception around herself and seems in denial about just how poorly she is perceived in the electorate. This has less to do with the demonised MSM than it does with her own poor judgement…Talk about a joke, you lot are happy to create a false perception of Abbott. Indeed most posts here are focussed on negative portrayal of a family man who volunteers his time across a number of charitable institutions while your hero wreaks havoc in her own party…

    “Could it be what they are hearing, does nor compute with what they see around them.”

    Now that’s gillard to a tee, in complete denial of how bad things have gotten.

  27. Lovo – open your eyes and ears .
    Im talking about the greatest corruption in NSW since the RUM Corps.
    Now that is a Labor achievement . That is called the ‘Corruption Policy’
    Guaranteed vote winner.
    I once again express my sincere sorrow and sympathy for the genuine grass
    roots Labor folk , very good people who have been deceived. In fact robbed
    of their pride loyality and dignity to a very well oiled corrupted Party system.

  28. “Now we have prophet Abbott as the pedlar of fear.”

    Heheheheh…You mean like “we are all going to die” due to Climate Change? Yes, fear and panic are a good way to push ideas nobody really wants implemented otherwise. It is the same here unfortunately.

    However lame Labor is in policy just saying so will not get Abbott into the Lodge. I figured Obama would have a tough time until they nominated Romney but even with a miserable economy, divisive leadership, bad policy and clearly political theatrics/handouts so obvious a school kid noticed, he was reelected. I think it best if the Liberals really want in they just stop talking and let Labor hang themselves…They always seem to be at the edge of the abyss and then “he” speaks…LOL

  29. No Sparta, as in Climate Change is a major challenge for which we need to seek solutions and even for those who are sceptical about the science reality, cleaning up our planet, taxing the major polluters and finding alternative fuel sources cannot be a bad thing.

    Abbott has no policies of worth, and as was made very clear on last night’s Q&A, taking away major tax revenue sources whose origin is the big polluters and the mega miners, while trying find the money to pay millionaire mums to stay at home simply does not add up…even the sums do not add up, much less the logic of this.

  30. ‘I once again express my sincere sorrow and sympathy for the genuine grass
    roots Labor folk.’

    Thanx Voyager and I must say its been a real eye opener coming here and being treated so abysmally. My guess is that this crowd are really watermelons barracking for Labor and after the election they will be irrelevant.

  31. ‘Climate Change is a major challenge for which we need to seek solutions and even for those who are sceptical about the science reality, cleaning up our planet, taxing the major polluters and finding alternative fuel sources cannot be a bad thing.’

    Seriously try and pull yourself together, you have been brainwashed. None of what you said has any connection to reality.

  32. “My guess is that this crowd are really watermelons barracking for Labor and after the election they will be irrelevant.”

    See you and raise you one, they’re already irrelevant. Their attitude to reality proves it on a daily basis.

    Meanwhile according to Newspoll today:

    Coalition takes economy, Labor slumps on all issues:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/coalition-takes-economy-labor-slumps-on-all-issues-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226570381219

    Paul Kelly sums it up succinctly:

    “A well organised PM doesn’t announce an election and then a couple of days later have two ministers resign”

  33. NBN a little over 50,000 connections to date
    Telstra 4G a little over a million connections to date.

    Public pays for the NBN
    Telstra pays the public for the use of 4G

    Yet another labor disaster!

  34. I must say its been a real eye opener coming here and being treated so abysmally. My guess is that this crowd are really watermelons barracking for Labor and after the election they will be irrelevant.

    1) If you don’t want to be “treated abysmally” then do not behave abysmally. If you want to be treated with respect then conduct yourself in a manner befitting that.

    1a) If you cannot do the above then there’s no excuse for you to stick around. No one is being swayed by your boilerplate right wing propaganda so you’re wasting your time really. We will continue to call you out as a fool and troll whenever we choose. You are not one of us, you never have been. Labor voter all your life – my arse.

    2) What’s this “watermelon” shit? Who uses terms like that in 2013? Oh, that’s right, old right wing fuddie duddies.

    3) Our relevance will not alter one bit, whatever the result of the election. Win, lose or draw, we will still be here, telling the truth about your side of politics, calling them out for their fascist, antisocial tendencies. So suck it up, troll, suck it up.

  35. “Seriously try and pull yourself together, you have been brainwashed. None of what you said has any connection to reality.”

    Love your work el gordo. EU carbon price tanks, no warming for now 16 years, 1,400,000 MW of planned coal fired capacity worldwide with almost 1 million MW in China and India alone…That is reality today.

  36. Oh Cuppa take off those rose coloured glasses.
    Taking millions / billions from the poor.
    You must be talking about one of your own here .
    Smiling Eddie Obeid .
    And his sons
    And his other hangers on

    No, you red herring-dropper. I’m talking about “one of your own”, probably including yourself. Your grandchildren, neighbours and loved ones who don’t earn a lot, yet will be ripped off by the party you support, with their money going to some of the wealthiest people on the face of the earth. Your politics is contemptible and obscene, and you all should be ashamed, but I doubt you’d know the meaning of the word.

    https://p.twimg.com/Am75qlxCAAA7iUn.jpg:large

  37. UNIPCC’s Rajendra Pachauri is on the take!

    lol,the WWF supplies funds to a sustainable development society, and this is someone on the ‘take’ ROFL

  38. “I must say its been a real eye opener coming here and being treated so abysmally. My guess is that this crowd are really watermelons barracking for Labor and after the election they will be irrelevant.

    1) If you don’t want to be “treated abysmally” then do not behave abysmally. If you want to be treated with respect then conduct yourself in a manner befitting that.

    1a) If you cannot do the above then there’s no excuse for you to stick around. No one is being swayed by your boilerplate right wing propaganda so you’re wasting your time really. We will continue to call you out as a fool and troll whenever we choose. You are not one of us, you never have been. Labor voter all your life – my arse.

    2) What’s this “watermelon” shit? Who uses terms like that in 2013? Oh, that’s right, old right wing fuddie duddies.

    3) Our relevance will not alter one bit, whatever the result of the election. Win, lose or draw, we will still be here, telling the truth about your side of politics, calling them out for their fascist, antisocial tendencies. So suck it up, troll, suck it up.”

    Oh dear…bad news doesn’t travel too well here does it?

  39. Meanwhile, the libs are promising talking on the ‘economy’, I’ll believe it when I see it. I wonder if this means we will see an actual dissection of their ‘climate change policy’ (for lack of a better term

    Former US vice-president and climate change activist Al Gore has dismissed the Opposition’s climate change policy, but praised the Government as a world leader for its climate action

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-05/coalition27s-climate-policy-has-never-worked3a-gore/4500680

  40. Treeman. I think you are exaggerating the number of connections.
    NBN has slightly more connections than they have employees. The executive wages roughly equate to subscription income…..great business model.
    The NBN is the classic case of a great piece of technology being badly implemented.
    If Labor were so good at rolling out broadband networks maybe they should export their expertise and save the world.
    Labor are Fools that are costing us Billions. You know the NBN is off the federal books and just bubbles along sucking in capital without a Business Plan, without controls and making the mistake of punting long term on one technology.
    Another IED waiting to explode around election time.
    What was going through the brains trust at labor HQ when they brought out all their policies since 2007. I know many policies belong to the greens and Independents bbut most of the dumb policy was done willingly.

  41. From the last (very rogue) poll that some are preaching as the demise of Labor

    Note that areas directly affected by flood and bushfire have been excluded.

    That would be large parts of Queensland and Vic, Vic, who are strong Labor, and Queensland, who is the strongest turnaround back to Labor (thanks cando 😉 )

    In other words, throw it in the bin, it has no relevance. Except to hacks with nothing better to write. You know, like policy and such.

  42. The executive wages roughly equate to subscription income…..great business model.

    That’s not a business model genius, that is the sign of a very large implementation in its formative years.

    You’ve been reading turnbulls website from the sound of it. I would argue that there are more lies there than current connections 😉

  43. ‘Win, lose or draw, we will still be here, telling the truth about your side of politics’

    I’m left wing Labor and have fallen out over a single issue, get your facts right.

  44. “From the last (very rogue) poll that some are preaching as the demise of Labor

    Note that areas directly affected by flood and bushfire have been excluded.

    That would be large parts of Queensland and Vic, Vic, who are strong Labor, and Queensland, who is the strongest turnaround back to Labor (thanks cando )

    In other words, throw it in the bin, it has no relevance. Except to hacks with nothing better to write. You know, like policy and such.”

    Utter drivel, if anything the flood levy will add to labor woes.

    BTW, before you can the Pachauri take, check out this web citation for the Terri sponsors…

    http://www.webcitation.org/6EBfIZSeB

    Pachauri and Gore are up to their ears in it! Carbon indulgences anyone?

  45. if anything the flood levy will add to labor woes

    What flood levy? Mind you, they might need one, since cando has pretty much left any services as a husk.

  46. Wixxy has a wrap up of the travesty of justice the Thom(p)son arrest IS

    As it turns out, my doubts were justified, as it has now been confirmed by NSW Police that, despite Dyson’s claims, there was, in fact, no arrest warrant issued in December at all.

    That’s right, the justification for Thomson’s arrest was a lie.

    I suggest at this point you nip out, make yourself a cuppa, and let that sink in for a bit.

    On the timing of the baseless arrest, I have been told by reliable sources that the Victorian Police officers involved spent the night before in Terrigal, on the NSW Central Coast.

    ……

    So, if the Victorian Police stayed overnight then it makes the stage-managed claims seem even more plausible. It would seem an amazing coincidence that police who had been on the Central Coast for more than 18 hours would happen to make the arrest during Tony Abbotts speech that lasted minutes. That is either one hell of a fluke, or a fine example of stage management. Considering high level arrests are usually well-rehearsed and planned, the fluke option seems unlikely.

    …….

    So, what facts have come out of all this?

    It is fact that the warrant we were told by police Thomson was arrested on never existed.

    It is a fact that the chain of events surrounding the strip search were highly irregular.

    It is fact that the Victorian Police for whom the arrest was made for had spent many hours in the area before making the arrest just as Tony Abbott commenced his speech, and well after all the media had turned up at Thomson’s office.

    It is also worth remembering that if this is a case of Coalition interference, it would not be the first time that an arrest has been made as the result of a campaign run by the current Federal Opposition.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/jacksonville-40-police-lies-and-stitch-ups/

  47. The latest Morgan Poll has the Coalition on 50.5% to Labor on 49.5% for the two party preferred.

    Newspoll in its latest poll, seen on its website, has the Coalition on 51% to Labor on 49% for the two party preferred

    http://www.newspoll.com.au/opinion-polls-2/opinion-polls-2/

    The two polls are almost identical. One percentage point of difference between the two parties is, at the end of the day, insignificant and is definitely not indicative of a “huge election-winning lead” for the Coalition.

    Yet Dennis Shanahan of The Australian, using Newspoll figures, reported two days ago that “the two-party-preferred figure has the Coalition back with a huge election-winning lead of 56 per cent to 44 per cent.”.

    Shanahan scheming and dreaming once again.

  48. It had been proven before, so the deniers forced them to prove it again. And so they’ll ignore that too. Reminiscent of wtfuwt and his ignoring his own findings

    Deniers, the lot of ’em

    There was (another) very big story on TT about this a while ago. Whats the bet they don’t do a follow up. Or, if they do, it will just be a collection of hicks ignoring it.

    However, wind farm opponents maintain that noise from turbines has caused conditions such as insomnia, along with other illnesses.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/environment-protection-authority-finds-windfarms-do-not-produce-harmful-noise/story-e6frea83-1226570260951

  49. Tom, exactly..what flood levy? It’s Newman who wants a new flood levy mostly because donations this time around have been a fraction of last time. Speculation has it that Australians are feeling somewhat less generous (and this is very unfortunate for the victims), due to Newman’s cutbacks. Newman therefore is “undecided” because the admission of the need for federal assistance would mean that the Left side of politics was right, and that his cutbacks have been a disaster for the state.

    Queensland Premier Campbell Newman said it was an option that may need to be considered but his national counterpart, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, continued to oppose the notion.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/greens-call-for-permanent-disaster-fund-20130129-2dhw6.html#ixzz2JyO4LzBH

  50. “…scare them into believing something terrible will happen…”
    And we know who has to be on hand for that don’t we? Watching a couple of rhetorical “how did it go so wrong for Labor?!?!” intros last night I thought take a bow you bastards. But of course it’s important that you write yourselves out of the story.
    A bit like what secret service gatherings may be like, the media operatives can only toast & congratulate each other in private. Public awards can only sanitise what goes on under cover.

  51. ‘THE Coalition has launched its first test of Julia Gillard’s decision to name a September 14 federal election by seeking to block any investment from Labor’s $10 billion climate change fund until the national poll has been decided.

    ‘The move comes as the Coalition claims the government is in an “effective caretaker period” that justifies suspending contentious spending programs that would be scrapped if Tony Abbott secured power in seven months.’

    David Crowe in the Oz

  52. Yes, CU, the famous “reds under the beds” tactic which had all the sheeples digging bunkers to pertec’ them from the “yellow peril” which was eyeing off our fair maidens and our vast under populated interior.

    Apparently, the yellow peril was too stupid to know that our vast under populated interior could only support about ½ a cow to the acre.

    You would have thought the fact that the yellow perils couldn’t be bothered invading our fair shores and ravishing our fair maidens in numbers too huge to count would have alerted people to the scam that was being perpetrated.

    And of course it couldn’t be within the realms of possibility that most yellow perils don’t actually find fair maidens all that attractive. Something about the size of our Neanderthal snouts and feet, lack of proper hair colour, the unhealthy pastry colour of our skin seems to put the majority off.

    Seriously try and pull yourself together, you have been brainwashed. None of what you said has any connection to reality.

    That’s what we’ve been telling you for years, grodo, but still you believe liars like Monckton and every other discredited peddler of climate fiction.

    The overwhelming majority of actual climate scientists together with the well informed in both the scientific and lay community know that climate change is occurring to the detriment of the planet. Bury your head in the sand all you like, but eventually even you won’t be able to avoid the facts.

    Treetroll, perhaps you can elucidate how Newman’s imposition of a flood levy will damage the ALP. I’m sure we’ll all find it interesting reading.

    Just as a matter of interest, has Newman corrected Anna Bligh’s mistake wrt insurance? Or is it just another arrogant blunder to be added to his already gargantuan list of arrogant errors and poor decisions?

    higgs boson @8.49am, it seems Liars barrackers have donned Tea Party blinkers wrt polls. No doubt the liars are lapping up Dennis’s flawed bullshit without question.

    Caption contest: “Good. At least this little bugger won’t ask me any questions. Should we offer a pair of red smugglers to the parents?”

  53. Tom R
    Mr Keane is right. 30 seconds or so.
    Can we expect dramatic headlines to the effect that the the coalition, even with the formidable talents of George Brandis S.C. at its disposal, doesn’t know when a caretaker period starts? Of course we can’t but I wouldn’t mind betting this gets to the night’s news, a sort of Garrett= industrial manslaughter ploy. Just create uncertainty.

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  55. How come an Iain Hall spam has shown up in the Recent Comments list?

    Friggin’ right wingers keep saying they will leave or ban themselves but keep coming back like very bad rancid smells.

    Hope they are getting paid a motsa by their mind controllers for all the baseless and factless trolling they do. Then again we are talking conservatives here so they probably do it for nothing with the right wing think tanks laughing at how easy it is to get them to repeat their propaganda without thinking.

  56. That’s a pingback, Mo. He’s obviously linked to this topic – no doubt to condemn or ridicule it – in one of his blogs.

    I won’t be following it.

  57. ms bourke continues to be ‘unbiased’

    What a tool, how many cars does it take to get three people somewhere. Well, one would assume 3, depending on where they are coming from. Maybe even if they come from the same place even. Pathetic. This, after a morning of asking tweeters what she should already know.

  58. I must say its been a real eye opener coming here and being treated so abysmally.

    Oh, so it’s OK for you to race to reb’s blog and bore him shitless while you rubbish this place and it’s ‘watermelons’.

  59. it’s OK for you to race to reb’s blog and bore him shitless

    He doesn’t just bore him, he also makes up a lot of shit about what is going on here, and about what he is supposedly doing

    Full Of Shit is the appropriate term I think Migs 😉

  60. ROFL

    Not so easy for a senior journalist at the ABC apparently

  61. Tom R.
    The Newspoll on 15th January was obviously a Rogue and many observers correctly called it as such. YT included.
    The NewsPoll on Monday is probably a Rogue by around 2% in favour of Coalition. The union derived Essential Poll hasn’t changed from 54 – 46 for many months. It has the advantage of a 3 week averaging. The other polls are also around 55- 45, 54 -46. This is where the electorate is at I think. There will probably be some bleeding away from Labor as Tony establishes his position as the alternative PM and the policy failures and scandals steadily break. The boat people will be annoying for Labor right up to election day. Craig, HSU are the same. The real wild card is AWU/Gillard. If you believe the chatter it is coming to a head sooner rather than later.

  62. Tom R February 5, 2013 @ 11:37 am

    That’s rich in that Abbott has by far the most expensive office and domestic travel expenses of any minister in Australia’s history by a long long shot.

    I haven’t got access to Twitter at the moment but I would love to hit Latika with that gem.

    Then you got to imagine how much Abbott will cost as PM, all waste the right wingers will make excuses for of course when they would can a Labor leader for less.

  63. I haven’t got access to Twitter at the moment but I would love to hit Latika with that gem.

    Pointless ME, she’s taken to blocking people who point out her stoopidity too obviously. Some tax funded journo she is.

  64. Oh please shoot me now. This piece of crap from news.com:

    Mr Abbott is expected to have a wealth of material to draw upon from over summer since parliament last met last November.

    Ms Gillard’s leadership has been dogged over the past week by speculation about a Kevin Rudd return, more poor opinion polls, the mismanaged Cabinet reshuffle and the charging of suspended Labor MP Craig Thomson a day after announcing the election date.

    Political journalism, or political opinion?

    http://www.news.com.au/national/its-game-on-julia-gillard-v-tony-abbott-in-first-question-time-of-2013-after-federal-election-called/story-fncynjr2-1226570838581

  65. They really are desperate to get Abbott into power that’s for certain, saying any nonsense and making up things to do it.

    I really have to wonder what’s in it for them to have Abbott in power, it must big for them and most likely bad for the population in general.

  66. Watching Parliament QT again which seems to be just a carry on from last year my query is since QT has run for 1.5 hrs for the last few years why has the abc NOT extended the program timing. Surly play school could be switched to another abc channel. It is time the abc(still not worth capitals) management were giving the boot. THIS is an election year FFS. At least foxtel covers the full QT one of its very few redeaming features.

  67. Re Tony Abbotts photo with young baby, do u think he was say “hurry up and grow up, I need your vote”

  68. treeman
    FEBRUARY 5, 2013 @ 7:32 AM
    NBN a little over 50,000 connections to date
    Telstra 4G a little over a million connections to date.
    Public pays for the NBN
    Telstra pays the public for the use of 4G
    Yet another labor disaster!

    So let me get this correct, your comparing a mobile network with fixed exsisting towers that have been upgraded where people buy phones on plans with the NBN? A brand new backbone network that is one of the largest infrastructure projects in Australian history may take a little time to install, you know all that digging 🙄 The NBN is a wholesaler which Telstra and other re-sellers and Telco’s resell you goose.

    Treeman you are
    1: Way out of your depth
    2: A fucking moron.

    el gordo
    FEBRUARY 5, 2013 @ 7:57 AM
    ‘Win, lose or draw, we will still be here, telling the truth about your side of politics’
    I’m left wing Labor and have fallen out over a single issue, get your facts right.

    Well I joined Labor in 1980. We are a broad church comrade. I’m left, I’m not sure what the fuck you are, abysmal I guess.

  69. They’re just polls – nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not carrying the weight the intellectually challenged here like to think (yes, that’s YOU I’m talking about Tweed 😆 ) (bold mine)

    BARRIE CASSIDY: OK well it is an election year, there’ll be all sorts of polls week in and week out and all sorts of analysis to go with them. What should we take from all of that.

    ANDREW CATSARAS: Well there is a great deal of misunderstanding about polls. An opinion poll is not some Delphic Oracle delivered to us from the gods, it’s just an estimate of how people are likely to behave in a hypothetical situation: that being, if an election were held now.

    And by aggregating the polls as we do on Poll of Polls, we’re trying to get a more complete estimate, from a series of estimates, of how people are likely to behave in a hypothetical situation. And then we track those estimates over time to see if there are any trends emerging.

    Now while such a measured approach might not suit the manic nature of the 24 hour news cycle with its insatiable desire for instant gratification and superficial analysis, it is the only sensible way that you can look at polls.

    BARRIE CASSIDY: OK, so what about the analysis that you provide though, averaging out the polls every month; how much weight should we put on that process?

    ANDREW CATSARAS: Because we’re aggregating the polls it is a more comprehensive approach, but even these results are not answers and nor are they predictions. They’re simply reflections. And because they’re reflecting likely behaviour in a hypothetical situation, those reflections are not clear images of the future but rather blurred images of the past, and should be understood as such.

    Now viewed in that context, we can better understand what polls actually are, not what many people would like them to be. And it exposes the extraordinary frenzy that follows the release of each new poll – treating each poll result as if it’s an actual election result, and each change from poll to poll as if they’re actual swings between elections – for the absurd and highly destructive political ritual that it truly is.

    A ritual that regularly weaves the threads of very little into the illusion of very much; one that routinely values opinion over fact; and one that is convinced that random variations in polling results actually mean something, is a ritual, that our political system could well do without.

    http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3682001.htm

  70. And with the Treeman/ Voyager duo who can trace their geneology way back to a bacterial smear on a petrie dish, we have the purest essence of the Liberal voter….they have come a long way from the petrie dish to the toilet bowl….but hey , they’re happy..and it’s the end of a full circle of life for the liberal voter.

  71. ABC 24 has full coverage QT HoR

    I wonder if the press will be commenting on the tacky Pyne and Bishop and the question to Dreyfus. Continuing with the reason for disallowance of the question with Burke got Bishop turfed out. So much for the “better standards” of parliament that Pyne said would occur, well that lasted less than a couple of questions.

    I note that Abbott got a quick reprimand from the speaker, I didn’t hear the comment but i believe he was inferring the speaker was “protecting” the PM. So a continuance of his “protection racket theme” what an @rse, fancy anyone wanting him as a PM of australia.

  72. Sue, it never fails to astound me about how the Libs can be such hypocrites (well, maybe I can) and “demand” higher standards in Parliament. Pyne only recently said, purse-lipped, all-Julia’s-fault. Here’s an idea Libs..it’s called personal responsibility…

  73. Of course, when it comes to Tweed, we all know that it has to be washed in human urine to “fix” the colour…..Ok, Tweed just lay down here and the rest of you blokes…..line up!

  74. But no!…We can’t in all fairness urinate on tweed…so let’s just give him a nick-name instead…How’s this for starters?…”Piss-week!”

  75. Oh dear, the ad homs are flying now…Jaycee, and small torch are so far up themselves they’re dare I suggest it coming out their ears and before you start wailing, you asked for it!

    On the other hand, Tweed is on the money for mine…” The real wild card is AWU/Gillard. If you believe the chatter it is coming to a head sooner rather than later.”

    The chatter gets louder each day.

  76. totaram, Did it occur to you that the Oil Sands Industry might want the tax so it can short the market? It’s exactly the same reason millionaire pollies like Rudd and Turnbull want it…to make money.

  77. Murdocracy is fair and balanced in the run up, unless their side looks like losing.

    Not that there is anything wrong with that.

  78. No surprise here and will be ignored by the right wingers, according to Bishop the younger they won’t release their costings until after the election.

    Of course if a Labor opposition did this the hypocrites would be up in arms.

  79. Whilst they are claiming they will be the lowest taxing government the Libs by their own admission are planning on increasing taxes for low income earners.

    Senator Cormann asked if Abbott policy to axe 15% super tax relief for low-income workers would be a tax increase, said “Indeed it will”

  80. Treeman’s accusation of the “ad Hom'” attack would hold water except for the fact that the “Hom” part I presume refers to a human, whereas we are talking to a “Treeman”!…does he mean : “Ape”?
    As for Tweed…here’s another nick-name…”cloth-eared piss-head!”
    And I see el gordo’s back…next time flush till the grogan goes through the “S” bend!

  81. The caretaker period begins when the parliament is desolved. That occurs when the GG issues the writs. One would;d believe that two such great legal eagles as Bishop and Brandis would know that,

  82. Well the PM expects to have Labor costings set is stone, within the budget. How they intend to beat that, one wonders.

  83. Expect the trolls to scurry off once the next round of polls are publicised.

    To them,. the political debate has been condense to three words. Polls. Rudd. Defifcit.

  84. Cu @8.55pm, I would suspect that it’s part of the scare campaign plus to attempt to add legitimacy to their “demands”.

  85. Sorry to frighten the whisperers this late at night. I think the unthinkable has become the thinkable.
    The electoral terror of Gillard, at the helm through to September and the inevitable terror of September polls, that have not been contemplated to date, I think that in this Parliament sitting window in Canberra the hammer will come down.
    The dorkness of Rudd is rapidly becoming attractive to those in the Labor Canberra Bunkers.
    Shoot me down but ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  86. I wonder Migs. Is this the same crystal ball this fool has been using to predict the downfall of Prime Minister Julia Gillard every month for the last year? 🙄

  87. Yes Bacchus. Pretty much spot on……?
    You should really listen…. digest the comments …. and place a few bets.

  88. The caretaker period begins when the parliament is desolved. That occurs when the GG issues the writs. One would believe that two such great legal eagles as Bishop and Brandis would know that.

    Of course they do, but they’re constructing an alternative world in which words change their meaning to suit their political purposes. Essentially, Gillard MUST dissolve parliament NOW because that’s what they want.

  89. Ms. Bishop made a fool of herself twice today. One on when government moves into caretaker mode. Tho other when she asked a question of the new AG, about the West Bank in Israel. A question that should have been aimed at the FM..

    I expect one from Morrison that did not come. Mirrabella was sat down quickly by the PM.. The PM had the perfcect answer for her. Must be one of the best prepared PMs we have seen.

    Does anyone know what Mr. Abbott was forced to withdraw. Whaever it was, it reaised the ire of the Speaker. It was during the Bishop fracas.

    I say once again, they should be forced to repeat what they are force to withdtaw. The public has the right to know.

    Abbott sat with his eyes towards his lap throughout QT.

  90. they’re constructing an alternative world in which words change their meaning

    Indeed!. ‘Words’ have no capacity, by themselves, to change ‘meaning’ The notion that a human ‘symbolic construction’ can develop a life of its own is a ridiculous concept. It’s always down to actors, in the sociological sense, who choose to create words and then give different or changed meanings to those words.

    The meaning given to the caretaker ‘convention’, and it is a ‘convention’ not a legal imperative, has been pretty well accepted over the years, by all sides of the political divide.

    Just imagine, if a date for a future election was known or announced (fixed term), then a government couldn’t legislate or implement any changes? Clearly it would make any government bound by ‘fixed terms’ impossible.

  91. From a question asked by Mr. Katter about the about all phones being out of order for days in Queensland, which Katter said could have led to deaths.

    He commented it was the quick action of the PM that got a large number of towers up and working.

    The PM has promised that the problem will be looked at, as it should not have happened.

  92. OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott was forced to withdraw an insulting comment about Speaker Anna Burke today as Parliament returned for the year.

    Ms Burke also threatened to toss Mr Abbott’s deputy, Julie Bishop, out of the House of Representatives.

    There was uproar when Ms Bishop, shadow foreign affairs minister, attempted to ask Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus a question about Australia’s position on Israeli settlements even though foreign affairs is not among his responsibilities.

    Ms Burke disallowed the question after it was pointed out it should have gone to Trade Minister Craig Emerson, who represents Foreign Minister Bob Carr in the Lower House.

    “You’re just protecting him,” Mr Abbott interjected in Ms Burke’s direction. She ordered him to withdraw.

    The issue flared again just after Question Time when Ms Bishop stood near the Speaker’s chair criticising Ms Burke at a volume she could hear.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-julie-bishop-scolded-by-speaker/story-fncynjr2-1226571038855

    The answer to my previous question. My emphasis. We have moved from shame to protection racket.

  93. CU, Katter may be a bit of a nutter, but he seems able to give credit where it’s due. No doubt Liealot and his barrackers in the msm will do their best to spin it negatively.

  94. The issue flared again just after Question Time when Ms Bishop stood near the Speaker’s chair criticising Ms Burke at a volume she could hear.

    Ms Burke, clearly angered, turned to Ms Bishop and said “You leave now or I will throw you out”.

    Earlier Mr Abbott advised his MPs at a regular meeting to avoid being snide in political debate.

    But it wasn’t just the Opposition that upset the Speaker, with Climate Change Minister Greg Combet accused of shouting at the Opposition during Question Time.

    Mr Combet said he was trying to be heard above the heckling

    http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-julie-bishop-scolded-by-speaker/story-fncynjr2-1226571038855

  95. I cannot understand. They gave spent at least the last 24 hours trying to nail the government on super. I believe they are going to take benefits from the upper income earners. While at the same time, the Coalition plan to take it from 3 million low income workers, mostly women.

    “THE Opposition today confirmed it would add 15 per cent to the tax on superannuation paid by 3.6 million low wage earners if it wins government, but hinted at a replacement scheme for battlers.
    Debate over the fate of the tax relief highlighted that superannuation policy will be a central issue at the September 14 election.

    Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said a Coalition government would not make unexpected changes to superannuation which would harm people’s savings, and said Labor’s policy would be a feature of the election campaign.

    “The Labor Party is coming after your money,” Mr Hockey told Coalition backbenchers today.

    But the Government counted today by accusing the Coalition of taking money from the retirement savings of most workers earning $37,000 and lower a year, including 2.1 million women.

    The extra tax for largely unskilled workers would come from the Coalition abolishing the $1 billion a year Low Income Superannuation Contribution scheme which has operated since July.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/money/superannuation/libs-superannuation-tax-plan-to-hit-low-income-earners/story-e6frfmdi-1226570841493#ixzz2K1tY4r4Q.”

  96. Heard Lyn Curtis say it was true that many back benches were confused about the PM’s present actions. She added that many more thought they was an stoke of genius about them.

    By the way, even if the are 45 votes available, that is a long way from being enough.

  97. It will be interesting to see what solicitor Mr. Thomson turns up with tomorrow. His present solicitor said last week, they would need one that has experience in Victorian Law.

    It is time for someone like Chris Murphy to put their hand up.

  98. Trouble is he was pushed out. Today’s QT was poss poor on Abbott’s part. The stony faces behind him, tells it all.

    I wished the ABC played all the answer to Mirabella’s question.

    Albanese allowed Mirabella to lodge the letter she was quoting from. Expect to see it pulled to pieces tomorrow.

    The PM already has in her answer. One could believe she knew it was coming. Peobaly did, as the Opposition are so easy to read.

  99. Ricky, you’re right about their Ludditism. Not only do they want to dismantle the NBN (by selling it off to Murdoch); they also want to dismantle Australia’s network of wind and solar power stations.

  100. “Ricky, you’re right about their Ludditism. Not only do they want to dismantle the NBN (by selling it off to Murdoch); they also want to dismantle Australia’s network of wind and solar power stations”

    What network of wind and solar power stations?

  101. Catching up
    FEBRUARY 6, 2013 @ 12:08 AM
    “I cannot understand. They gave spent at least the last 24 hours trying to nail the government on super. I believe they are going to take benefits from the upper income earners. While at the same time, the Coalition plan to take it from 3 million low income workers, mostly women”

    What a load of rubbish. You believe anything!

  102. Treeman you said it, been reading your own posts again have you or reading the Liberal bible, News Limited.

    What a load of rubbish. You believe anything!

  103. ‘they also want to dismantle Australia’s network of wind and solar power stations.’

    That’s an illusion, this is reality.

  104. I don’t know why you bother responding to the likes of Treeman, el gordo, Tweed Voyager et all like they had a legitimate intellect!….they are just little bits of shit stuck to bum-hair…they are the sort of trash would be caught with their hand in the charity tin!…they are of the class of traitors would sell this country to Murdoch and Rienhart for a zac…”…Aye, and get down on their bended knees and thank the Lord Jesus Christ they had a country to sell!”

  105. Having said that…I will justify the comment by pointing out that they all come here with a common ’cause celebe’ touching on unproven or downright vexatious accusations without the slightest legal backing knowing they will sway no-one, but only making nusiance.
    Now,I don’t know what their occupations are…. about the only thing I can imagine a couple of them doing is renting a one-room clinic for applying vaseline to suffers piles and easing them (the plies) back up the rectum and it saddens me to have to dwell on those nether regions, but that is the material we are dealing with when referencing the said culprits.
    The real damage these fellows have already done is to those they keep company with…you know the type…soft Liberal, soft capital, soft head, easily persuaded and ready to listen to the blighted shit espoused about the economy, Julia Gillard, Labor and climate change….foolishness wasted on us here, but absorbed as manna from heaven by the gullible and right-wing….and I just bet Treeman and the others spiel it by the bucketful while distracting the patient from noticing what they are about to do with the vaseline…and everything will continue to go well, until that one day, that one slip of attention (like Treeman and his “Lamb, lamb, lamb BBQ. on Aussie Day)and instead of grabbing the pot of vaseline, they accidently pick up the pot of vicks-vapourub!

  106. An interesting two comments there, jaycee. Boy, wouldn’t like to be your partner and have to service your carnal delights on those stormy nights.

    All class.

  107. I don’t know why they get on my wicket about a few typos in a blog-post, when their biggest insult is staring them in the face every morning when they front-up to the mirror.
    Did I say “front-up”!! crikey!…That’d be their worst side!

  108. But truly, they come here because the left-wing blog sites are the only place where they at least can fake some sort of intellectual cred….the right-wing Smith and Bolt type sites, demand a certificate of full-frontal lobotomy before accepting your sympathetic comment…..at least here they can pretend to baffle us with their “Wikepedia-Wisdom”, or their “Bolt-Bullshit” and can top it off with a juicy dollop of Liberal Lasciviousness”……But for Christ’s sake, some lend the bastards a pot of vaseline…they have some research to do over at Liberal Central.

  109. Scaper…don’t have many storms down our way…that seeems to be the perogative of Treeman’s side of the nation..regardless of him promissing that climate change wsn’t happening and these “once in two hundred year events” are just the regular storms we have every year….A bit of trouble counting once he has his socks on, has our Treeman!

  110. It never ceases to amaze me jaycee that the wingnuts come there and say this site should be more balanced, which is code for being right wingnutville, but they never ever go to right wing sites and demand they be more balanced.

    The cowards know the moment they do that they will be howled down and abused to kingdom come.

    Yet they come here telling Migs how to run the site and the rest we should bow to them and then become cry babies when they get even the mildest abuse because of that.

    I keep saying it and they keep proving it in spades but the right wingers are utter hypocrites.

  111. Now we have Mr. Abbott’s discussion paper on hows to develop the north which appears to have Gina’s fingerprints all over it. A paper which Mr. Abbott has already disowned much of.

    Mr. Abbott has been out, screaming it is not a policy but a discussion paper.

    Now I have no problem with that. My concern here, is if Mr. Abbott does not agree with much of it, who does the paper belong to. Who are pushing these ideas. This is confusing, as it is put out on behalf of the coalition. Who is really ion charge there.

    My gripe, is that the PM and Ms. Roxon as AG put out a similar paper on rights, merging similar legislation from five Departments.

    They were widely condemned and accused of endangering the freedom of speech.

    It was claimed the paper was government policy.

    When it was announced, some of the issues raised in the paper would not be ion the legislation., they were accused of backing down

    I can only assume, it is only Mr. Abbott that is allowed to have discussion papers. It the government released similar papers, they can only be seen as a policy, and any perceived changes are seen as back downs.

    What a wonderful political climate we reside in.

    Why bring a paper out, if you immediately say that most of the important issues raised will NOT be the government policy.

    I do not understand. I assume our visitors will quickly point out where I am mistaken, and a fool to boot.

  112. It proves conclusively that it’s Rhinehart ruling the Liberals and will rule Australia if Abbott wins power.

    Of course the right wingers will defend Abbott to the hilt as their wages, conditions and benefits are slashed, their taxes increased and Rhinehart and the other super wealthy get massive tax cuts and government handouts.

    Never let it be said that a right winger doesn’t doggedly stick by and make excuses for their ideology even when it’s kicking them in the teeth and royally screwing them.

  113. It proves conclusively that it’s Rhinehart ruling the Liberals and will rule Australia if Abbott wins power.

    Exactly.

  114. Howard used to do the same Cu and his most famous example was with WorkChoices MkII

    It was a policy framework that Minchin along with some big business groups had formulated and tabled all ready to go the moment after Howard won the election. The excuse as leaked was that WorkChoices MkI was accepted by the people and they had a mandate to further that legislation.

    Problem was that WorkChoices MkII was leaked and the backlash was so sudden and ferocious, with even overseas groups with terrible IR saying it was the draconian IR legislation.

    Howard immediately distanced himself, and as he always did in his cowardly way when thing were negative for him, ran away from it saying it was only a discussion paper he had nothing to do with and it would never be introduced in a government he led.

    Luckily the people didn’t believe him after his decade litany of lies and deceits and threw him out.

  115. I see that paper was leaked. Due out in a couple of weeks. Is considered to be complete. Oh. shock, horror, shock, the party is leaking. By the way, Andrew Robb is in charge off it.

    Once again, evidence of dissent in the party. No, I must be wrong, that cannot be.

  116. Tom, funny how scaper has been talking about similar policies for so long. He might have some knowledge of what the party is up to. It is obviously Abbott does not.

    Lyndal Curtis seem to be well aware of the prpcess, saying that Andrew Robb is keen and has been working for months on the paper, travelling all over the country, talking to business. Wonder how many beside Gina.

  117. Didn’t Gina’s old man want to use nuclear bombs to create a mountain range out in the West Aus………no, I won’t go on, the lunacy is sooo bad it may be contageous….suffice to say thank god for the “Level” playing field!

  118. Trouble is jaycee with the sawdust brained Abbott at the helm and Rhinehart pulling his strings any lunacy, no matter how bad or mad, will be plausible and laudable to them.

  119. Been out. Noticed front page of Tele. Tony goes toppo. Have not had time to see if it was our Tony they are talking about. Home now. Love seeing him on the backfoot.

    I think we are getting a better idea of who the puppeteeer are or is.

  120. I also noticed this morning, I am becoming very selective in which comments I bother to read, Scrolling past Tree and his ilk. I am now past even scanning through. Just not interested.

    Had another word there. Just as well I checked the meaning. Perfect word but definitely not suitable for this site.

  121. The unemployment figures are surprising, especially when one remembers there are supposed to be up to 80,000 single mothers move to the queue.

    Personally, I believe the numbers are greatly exaggerated. The figures today point to that.

    Many have been transferred to other benefits such as carers and unbelievably, the old age.

    Going on today’s figures, one can only assume most have obtained work.

    Cynical me can only say, we will never know how many were already working.

    As we are only talking about those who manage to be covered by Howard’s grandfather clause , from 2006, I cannot see how the numbers affected can be so high. Most will have older kids.

  122. Today

    “….Tony Abbott has played down a leaked discussion paper which reveals Coalition plans to create a new economic zone in northern Australia and to move thousands of public sector jobs to north of the Tropic of Capricorn.
    ”It’s not our policy,” Mr Abbott said. ”It’s a draft discussion paper which had a reasonably wide circulation and obviously someone’s decided to share it with the media.
    ”We certainly have no plans and it would be unconstitutional to civilly conscript public servants”.
    While reiterating he could not force public servants to move from one state to another, Mr Abbott said: ”It’s not a bad thing to have Commonwealth facilities in different parts of Australia”.,,………….”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-hoses-down-tropical-tax-zone-plan-20130207-2dzkf.html#ixzz2KBBDiPkC

  123. Pure desperation from the Opposition today. Those making catcalls sound like they are in agony.

    Shadow treasure attempting to make today’s unemployment figures a negative.

  124. Abbott’s wearing glasses. So where’s all the media headlines and why aren’t the right wingers here outraged as they were when Gillard wore them?

    Oh silly me, that’s right they’re hypocrites.

  125. PM is talking about the large amount of transport that is moving back to rail. It is considerable, with Australian Post leading the way.

  126. I posted this earlier on Wixxy’s site.

    Both Jonathan Green and the ABC. management are well informed that this whole Thomson saga began with and has continued with the singular objective of bringing down the govt’…Black, white or grey areas aside, THAT is its’ objective.
    That is an act of treason.
    That being so, and this govt’ being a legitimate coalition sworn in by The Crown’s representative (we are not yet a republic) and accepted by the People of Aust’….any action to destroy or bring down this govt’ is logically not only treason against the Constitution and people of Aust’, it is an insult and act of treason against The Crown and it’s representative : The Governor General. For surely, the very existence of the GG’s office gives authority to the premise that IT and IT only has the power to summarily make or break the government by the authority of The Crown..
    If a Governor General can dismiss a govt’ it considers unworthy for The Crown, then any party that acts to diminish or presume the authority of The Crown ought to be brought to justice.
    The ABC., in apparent collusion with these parties has to answer alongside those who would insult The Crown, the Constitution and the People of Australia.

  127. You’re taking it too seriously JC, its politics in robust democracies all around the world.

    Craig is not a well man and I hope the courts are lenient, but fraud is a serious offence and he’ll probably go down.

  128. No, it is that we have a toxic opposition, which is not good.

    Yes, opposing is the name of the game. Also holding one to account and offering something better.

    This does not occur under Abbott.

    He has set out to destroy the government from the timer the GG swore them in. That is not holding to account.

    That is a dummy split because he could not accept he lost. Yes, he lost.

    He did not win the popular vote. He was then unable to get the respect of the independents.

    He did not have the necessary negotiation skills,

    How will this man go on the world stage.

    He then set out to undermine a legitimate government, duly elected by the people in accordance with the Constitution.

    He has be an abject failure as he has not laid a hand on the PM or bough down her government.

    He has achieved nothing., He has not stopped the government from doing anything, except that we are now struck with Nauru and Mannix Island.Mr. Abbott’s policy and another failure.

    He has mounted a three year bitter election campaign. He has present the government as bad, bad, bad,

    Mr. Abbott now has a problem. The government has been productive, The economy has not fallen over.

    He needed that to maintain his rage. Yes rage. That is all the Opposition is about.,

    All we hear is deficit, deficit .

  129. Funny, now Thomson is not a well man. Well all the stress he has had to endure, one would not be surprised if that was not true.

    Funny how well and comfortable he looked yesterday. Yes, relaxed and comfortable.

  130. And of course any suggestion that this decent upright politician has spent 40 K on prostitutes …. is also a matter for the courts to decide.

  131. el; gordo, please check your facts. The overall amount alleged is $40.000.

    That includes, cars, travel, hotel and air fares among many other things.Over as period of years. Also, I believe icecream

    The alleged amount is $6000 odd. I believe there could be catering costs for the offices within that.

    How will the court decide whether he is ill or not.

  132. ‘How will the court decide whether he is ill or not.’

    If the court decides Craig is a lying scoundrel then they may suggest he get ‘professional’ help if he’s sent down.

  133. ……….those damn prostitutes. Cunning Stunts AND Treasonous.
    ….who would have thought.
    What I’m looking forward to is the dissection of the prostitute services account of $2,450.00. Now it has to be something like Craig banging 5 X prostitutes @$500 each, which we would be secretly in awe, or Craig banging 1 X prostitute 5 times @ $500 a time also in awe of his performance …….. or Craig and 4 of his mates banging 5 X prostituted @ $500 each. …or Craig and his mates banging 1 X prostitute @ $500 each. Either way it seems like there has been a party. Hmmm who was in the party. that will be interesting evidence.
    I notice Craig’s Bail conditions include not visiting any of the previous prostitutes or brothels involved in the case.
    …before I have to go. The interesting one will be when Williams and Craig’s use of private AMEX cards belonging to a supplier of printing services to HSU.
    …watch this space.
    Not sure if the new glasses are having an impact.

  134. “Not sure if the new glasses are having an impact”……Well Twee’…I’d suggest you try not smacking yourself on the head with them and instead ; drink out of them!

  135. That damn cunning Thomson…rooting and defrauding his way all through anything south of the Tropic of Capricorn for years and years and years and not even his wife had an inkling!….blow me down if he’s not almost a Houdini type of character….why the maths alone make it astounding…AND he has fathered a couple of children, ran a union, become a member of parliament and was fucking and defrauding to his merry content…..all in secret!!……until George Brandis saw him coming out of a brothel, I suppose?…..or was it more a case of a FWA. leagle eagle,( himself rooting a union official) whose whole family just happens to be associated with the law enforcement body and it was convienent to make a phone call or two on behalf of one of his Liberal Party mates who just wanted to bring down the government?
    Gosh!….it all looks sooo complicated!

  136. Miglo and silk

    You really must encourage more comments from the gutter. Comments like these benchmark your site for what it really is, the cafe of no consequence.

    “they are just little bits of shit stuck to bum-hair…they are the sort of trash would be caught with their hand in the charity tin!…they are of the class of traitors would sell this country to Murdoch and Rienhart for a zac…”…Aye, and get down on their bended knees and thank the Lord Jesus Christ they had a country to sell!…
    Now,I don’t know what their occupations are…. about the only thing I can imagine a couple of them doing is renting a one-room clinic for applying vaseline to suffers piles and easing them (the plies) back up the rectum and it saddens me to have to dwell on those nether regions, but that is the material we are dealing with when referencing the said culprits”

    el gordo
    FEBRUARY 6, 2013 @ 11:24 PM
    “And doesn’t he string his words noicely together”

    That’s why they loik it here, all down in the gutter together with the likes of gillard, thomson, obeid, and the long protected and now passes collins

  137. I know what we should do….let’s get Mr. Thomson to address the H.R.Nichols Society to explain why he needs to be believed by the audience there!

  138. We could even get him a seat next to Mr. Reith…he could give Thommo some tips on bastardry I’m sure!

  139. Treeman says : “Comments like these benchmark your site for what it really is, the cafe of no consequence. ”
    Then Tree’…just tell us in three words or no less what the f*ck you come here for?

  140. The Liberal strategy is to offer the electorate a bunch of positives and win handsomely.

    This is not pork barrelling individual seats, they intend going with big picture items to galvanize the whole electorate. The supposed leak of the northern plan is a calculated gamble to encourage discussion before firming up the platform.

  141. NO!…I’ll tell YOU why you come here Tree’….because you are a nobody who demands attention..
    You are a fascist who must be heard. (and if I can make a couplet here!)
    An insignificant, horrid little turd!

  142. Which is why i’m never offended by your utterly baseless projections of who those might be who dare question the dogma. Your ad homs are just another opportunity for a good laugh.

  143. el gordo
    FEBRUARY 8, 2013 @ 8:37 AM
    “The Liberal strategy is to offer the electorate a bunch of positives and win handsomely. This is not pork barrelling individual seats, they intend going with big picture items to galvanize the whole electorate. The supposed leak of the northern plan is a calculated gamble to encourage discussion before firming up the platform”

    Which is a helluva lot better than any forward thinking that has been proposed here…This site dwells mainly in the realm of denigration. Indeed it is encouraged as long as it’s all one way, denigrate Abbott at any cost.

  144. El gordo, would you like to provide some specifics about these positive policies..as I for one struggle to find one single positive policy which isn’t either hugely wasteful and/or hugely expensive.

  145. Lack of wit is always indicative.
    The inability to perceive subtle witticism is telling.
    But ad hom responses to a challenge are most revealing of a dogmatic and inflexible mind.

  146. Min
    FEBRUARY 8, 2013 @ 8:51 AM
    “El gordo, would you like to provide some specifics about these positive policies..as I for one struggle to find one single positive policy which isn’t either hugely wasteful and/or hugely expensive.”

    I’ll give you one straight off the top…shut down the CEFC

  147. But you are a contractor, are you not, Tre’?….I just heard your ol’ mate Cambell screeching “not fair” on the radio about Swanny…poor Cambell…so “no can do” at the moment…he should adopt the usual right-wing position in this case and start crawling a little!
    Yes, a con-tractor…but with the recent rains, I’ll just bet you are now nothing but all CON with no TRACTion!….oh, so witty!

  148. Min the northern plan will require investment from Asian countries to get a start.

    Abbott’s holding his cards close to his chest and is being prudent.

  149. See the theme of the right-whingers? Shut down the CEFC, destroy the NBN, sack public servants, loot treasury for their own aggrandisement – they don’t know the difference between positive and negative – explains an awful lot 😉

  150. There you go Tre’…that paper dismisses wind and solar-thermal in the first paragraph because they wanted to concentrate on base-load power NOW. The article I referred you to proposes that renewables WILL BECOME cheaper by 2020 or so. You have been a bit disingenuous…I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but your right-wing blindness shone through.
    Why?…because you and the right-wing in general see innovation through the dulled vision of “political spin”, where as we of the left see human progress through the polished lens of “possible spin”.
    Left to the right-wing and its’ viscerating ham-fisted idea of progress, we’d be reduced to commuting via horse and buggy (CARS!..never catch on!) Banking via the mattress and comunicating via the dixy-cup and thread!(perhaps we will yet).
    You fail to comprehend that progress is risk, human developement has moved from stone to bronze to iron to steel and beyond…new systems of energy production are another inevitable step forward for human progress…you can only burn stuff for so long.
    So one idea is forward spin your idea is backward spin….one guess who will reach their destination first!
    Oh…and “consultant”…..tee hee!…you fill in the joke, you know them all.

  151. “jaycee
    FEBRUARY 8, 2013 @ 8:36 AM
    Treeman says : “Comments like these benchmark your site for what it really is, the cafe of no consequence. ”
    Then Tree’…just tell us in three words or no less what the f*ck you come here for?”

    Jacee. It’s like going to the Zoo. Good fun and interesting to watch the strage goings on. Our blogs are like throwing the peanuts to the monkeys.You don’t actually want to live there. You just want to see the unusual animals and see how they react to stimulus.
    I am off sick today so i might be a bit active…..

  152. Migs, I feel it might be time for your generosity to come to an end.

    Listening to Hockey Making as much sense as our visitors.

    At least he is getting questioned.

    Every time he opens his mouth, he is telling the public all the things this PM has achieved, and what he is going to take away.

  153. “……………………..In the end one has to wonder whether this reflects deeper divisions within the Coalition. On the one hand we have the science and markets camp of Turnbull and Hunt, on the other the nation building camp of Barnaby Joyce.
    The Turnbull-Hunt camp believe that government has little place in directing the economy and are big believers in free markets. On matters of the natural world they are guided by the advice of scientists. For this group government environmental regulation is reconciled with a belief in free markets through seeing environmental problems as an issue to do with inadequate property rights. Government sets limits around use of a natural resource via property rights and then leaves the private sector to work out how best to manage with a constrained resource.
    The Barnaby Joyce camp is more of a go forth and multiply mentality, with an undercurrent of religious faith first, science second. Prosperity is built upon building stuff and exploiting natural resources. Government has a key role in helping enable the exploitation of natural resources, and also protecting the farmer and small business man from rapacious big business. If resource constraints are encountered, government should just build more infrastructure to free up more natural resources. Markets and tradeable instruments are seen with a degree of suspicion as something which big business and banks will use to game and take advantage of the farmer and small businessman.
    The Direct Action policy’s vagueness and contradictions are a product of an attempt to reconcile the two camps within the Coalition.
    Hunt says the emission reduction fund is a “market-based” instrument that will buy lowest cost abatement irrespective of its source, and equates it to the water buy back (another thing Barnaby Joyce hates with a passion).
    Yet the official policy document also states

    http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/turnbulls-liberals-vs-barnabys-socialists?utm_source=Climate%2BSpectator%2Bdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Climate%2BSpectator%2Bdaily

    How many versions is Abbott going to bring out, of his policies. Seems to have a version for every audience he addresses at this time.

  154. So, the first parliamentary week of Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s year of positivity has ended in deficit. Deep deficit.

    Not only was he resolutely negative about the government; more surprisingly he was negative about his side’s alternative vision for the future.

    We refer, of course, to the document called Developing Northern Australia – a 2030 Vision, which is the closest thing we’ve seen to a policy from Mr Positive.

    Whether you’d call it a policy or not is debatable. We do know it is the result of two years’ labour by the Coalition policy formulation team, and when it was leaked it was portrayed as a draft policy. But when the immediate response was less than positive, Abbott was at pains to stress it was nothing more than a draft discussion paper…..”

    http://powerhouse.theglobalmail.org/2030-abbotts-vision-goes-blurry/

  155. well, we now know where our vistors get therfe information from.

    “…………………Meanwhile, the Opposition continued to be tediously negative in the Parliament. Question after question related to the fact that the Government, having promised a surplus budget, will not now deliver one.

    Now, as we have noted before, they were very foolish to stick so dogmatically to this promise for so long. As we’ve also noted before, delivering a surplus is not a big deal economically for a country which is otherwise in rude good economic health.

    The ridiculous limit came on Wednesday, with a question noting five other developed countries – Germany, Switzerland, Norway, South Korea and Chile – had managed to get their budgets into surplus following the global financial crisis. Five!

    Well, big deal. It happens that Australia’s economic growth is faster than all but Chile, and more than three times that of Germany and Switzerland. It happens also that Australia has much lower public debt than the three Euro nations, and about the same as Korea.

    It happens, in fact, that by most other economic measures you can think of, we do comparably well if not way better than all but Chile. I don’t know about you, but I’d still rather live here.

    The point here is that the Opposition used every means, and every statistic it could, to bag the Government’s economic management. And the Government responded in kind. The whole week was, like, dodgy statistics at five paces.

    Question Time was more fun last year, when the Opposition was being negative on a human level, re slush funds, boat people, and so on. Now, its negativity is just eye-glazing.

    Sadly, we’re probably in for months more of this. The words “positive Abbott” amount to an oxymoron. The last and only time he tried to sell a positive message was when, as John Hewson’s press secretary 20 years ago, he tried to sell the Fightback! policy package.

    And we all know how successful that was.

    Then again, maybe they’re deliberately r….”

    http://powerhouse.theglobalmail.org/2030-abbotts-vision-goes-blurry/

  156. Why does Abbott look harrassed in every snap we see of him.

    Harrassed or angry. Definitely not relaxed and comfortable.

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