Café Talk VII

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  1. The coalition fighting who to put as a candidate in Hume: Coalition split over candidate for Hume, more infighting.

  2. An interesting article on the Euro (banks before people), by the Guardian via the Canberra Times

    “As it is, politicians dare not stimulate demand, boost consumption or expand employment. They dare not inject real liquidity into the real economy. They take advice from banks, but that advice is to bail out banks, directly or indirectly. They behave as if they alone hold the golden key to Europe’s recovery, but they don’t.

    European leaders are in thrall to the profession of high finance. They are ruling a continent now in a recession whose depth and longevity does not seem to concern them. They are devastating an entire generation of Europeans and for no good reason. People may love circuses, but soon or later they will demand bread.

    Read more:

  3. Apparently it’s not currently against the rules paulwello. Perhaps they need to change that sooner rather than later…

  4. What they don’t consider is that their win is now tainted by poor sportsmanship and they will gain no kudos. That will be the only thing that will be remembered in the future. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

  5. jane, agreed, however look at the column inches and electrons wasted on Australians “only” getting Silver medals. A Silver medal is acknowledgement that on the day, you were the 2nd best in the world at a particular skill at a competition that comes around every 4 years.

    The bike rider is a demonstration of the LNP – its all about winning. It’s not about fairness, equality or who they screw over to get there. It’s a shame really.

  6. More Right-Wing Projection from Abbott:

    …The veins were literally standing out on his neck as he screamed ”How childish, how immature, how cowardly is this Prime Minister”….Abbott has yelled the words ”gutless” and ”cowardly” so often at Gillard that it’s become commonplace

    This from someone who walks out of press conferences rather than face even the token scrutiny the useless Australian media would apply to him, who tried to wriggle out of a second Leaders’ Debate at the last election.

    The Coward of Cowards projecting his own weakness onto his opponent.

    Abbott cycles away from questions

    Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has hopped on his bike to avoid reporters keen to quiz him about the abusive behaviour of protesters at a anti-carbon tax rally in Canberra.</blockquote?

    Right-Wing Projection – Distract from your faults by ascribing them to others.

  7. Abbott has always done that Cuppa, and does is so much he’s not even aware of it.

    I’ve told the story before of when Abbott was in government, Health Minister from memory, and he was on LateLine in a two way interview with Faulkner conducted by Tony Jones. It was the first time I saw Abbott have one of his famous a brain freezes.

    Abbott was making a lot of wild accusations against Labor and was avoiding every question directly to do with the government or his portfolio. He made some outlandish claim that Faulkner protested against to Jones at which point Abbott turned around and directly accused Faulkner of making the outlandish statement.

    Jones, gobsmacked, turned to Abbott and said to him that he had just made that statement not Faulkner. Abbott denied it and vociferously protested again accusing Faulkner of it.

    Jones calmly turned to Abbott and said that he can replay the exact bit and prove Abbott had said it, at which point Abbott brain froze, head started nodding, then he began stuttering and finally he completely changed the subject in with another wild accusation against Labor that was a projection.

  8. Mobius, Abbott is one sick puppy.. As was mentioned the other day, Abbott appears to create his own reality and his response to anything which does not conform with that reality is what you see..the brain freezes, the head nods and trying to escape from this confrontation with reality.

  9. That’s a very entertaining story, Mobius. He’s just so blatant/automatic about it! Would be great to see the footage or transcript, as I’m collating a few examples of the tactical employment of Right-Wing Projection in Aussie politics.

  10. Here’s one for Roswell..

    It is probably the closest Australia has come to scrambling fighter jets to intercept a UFO.

    Documents that have just become available under the 30-year rule at the National Archives of Australia reveal how two RAAF Mirage jets were placed on the second highest level of alert to determine the cause of unidentified radar contacts seen on screens at Mascot.

    The ”X Files” viewed in Canberra also give details of other unexplained sightings, some of which are supported by witness statements to police.

  11. Well at least those can’t be blamed on the carbon tax. But UFO’s over Sydney might explain Abbott’s brain farting. The aliens must have abducted and probed him, and put his arse back where his brain should be.

  12. With thanks to the Stand Up for the Burrup FB group..

    “We have not dealt with (the Burrup rock art) well in the past. I sincerely hope that we will deal with it better in the future. It is an area that needs to be protected, preserved and enjoyed by current and future generations.” Colin Barnett, backbencher, Western Australian Legislative Assembly, 9.03.2006.

    On 26.06.2012, Colin Barnett, Premier of Western Australia, told rock art advocates that his government opposes UNESCO World Heritage Listing for the Burrup.

    The Australian government can nominate Murujuga to UNESCO, regardless of Colin Barnett’s flexible values. Let’s make it happen. Join the Global Stand Up for the Burrup campaign, click here and tell us where you are:

  13. At the time of writing this – Australia 24th spot in the medal count, Canada (with twice the population) 25th. And we’re doing badly?

  14. Not too sure what this is about.

    Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has admitted he’s not only a reader of “mummy porn”, the steamy sub-genre of literature featuring descriptions of sex scenes, he has a preferred author.

    Mr Abbott told the Sydney Triple M breakfast show The Grill Team, that he had read both The Bride Stripped Bare by Australian author Nikki Gemmell and Fifty Shades of Grey by British writer E. L. James and that he prefers the homegrown variety.

    When asked if he had read the best selling book, Mr Abbott admitted he had. “I’ve read Fifty Shades of Grey,” he said. “I think it’s a bit of an eye opener.

    “It was interesting, but, I must say … Nikki Gemmell has a book, The Bride Stripped Bare, which I think is a much better book.”

  15. Just an update to my emails to Coles and Australian Country Choice after Tony Abbott’s stunt last week.

    Coles has now replied and I have forwarded the response to David Foote of ACC,

    “suppliers that we expect them to provide hard data to support any proposed cost price increase for their products. We’ll leave the politics of the issue to the politicians.”

    Good luck to Foote having Coles accept that exorbitant refrigerant costs are due to the carbon tax, particularly as the ACCC disagrees with that point of view.

  16. Sue, exorbitant refrigeration costs have nothing to do this this, of course not. Absolutely jaw dropping to blame the carbon price when we have below..

    JULIA Gillard will pressure the states to rein in rising electricity prices as she accuses jurisdictions such as NSW of gouging consumers with ”unacceptable” increases in recent years.

    In a declaration of war designed to sheet the overwhelming blame for power price increases on the states, not the carbon price, the Prime Minister will describe the increases of the past four years and for this financial year as socially and economically unjust.

    ”Price have gone up – far and fast,” she will tell the Energy Policy Institute of Australia in Sydney today. ”The last four years’ price increases cannot continue.”

  17. A new stoush has broken out over asylum seeker policy just days before an expert panel is due to hand down recommendations to solve the parliamentary deadlock on the issue.

    With the Federal Opposition insisting it will not support plans for a people swap deal with Malaysia, the Government’s chances of ending the deadlock are slim.

    In a speech to the Lowy Institute on Tuesday, Opposition Immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said the Labor government was making Australia a magnet for asylum seekers.

    “The Coalition believes that Labor’s focus on processing and resettlement over deterrence and border security will create a regional asylum magnet,” he said.

    “That will only further encourage secondary movement and undermine the integrity of existing regional re-settlement programs of which Australia is the primary participant.”

    Mr Morrison called for the issue to be resolved at the polls.

    “Every time the smugglers have lent against this government, Labor have yielded, every single time,” he said.

    “We need to change the policies, but to be sure we also need to change the government.”

    Independent MP Rob Oakeshott has accused the Opposition of using the stalemate on asylum seeker policy to force an early election.

    Mr Oakeshott says all other political groups are working to find a solution.

    AUDIO: Listen to the story (PM)
    “That is not the role of parliamentarians to seek out election issues of a divisive nature,” he said.

    ‘Cheap political points’
    The Coalition says the Bali Process, the regional dialogue set up under the Howard government to deal with asylum seekers, needs to be refocused and Australia’s humanitarian intakes re-jigged.

    The announcement comes just days before an expert panel led by former Defence Force chief Angus Houston is due to recommend options to the Government.

    Immigration Minister Chris Bowen labelled the Coalition’s position arrogant.

    “His speech was an unfortunate attempt to pre-empt whatever the expert panel may recommend in the coming weeks,” he said

  18. Scott Morrison said the Labor government was making Australia a magnet for asylum seekers.

    Pretty p*ss poor magnet.

  19. And here was I thinking that refugees wanted to come to Australia because we are a free democratic nation. But I’m sure that Abbott won’t waste much time correcting that impression.

  20. Min, I believe that people want to come here for two simple reason. It is not their own, and it is the first that offers them a future.

    They flee tier own because their and their family’s life are in danger. The near countries they flee to, and across are not mph safer for them. They are unable to because of their own poverty and crowding, are able to offer sanctuary.

    It sickens one to hear the ranting and raving such a on Capital Hill last night about queues, who is most worthwhile and those who throw away papers.

    The throwing away of papers, are denied by those who work closely with these people.

    All that needs to be done, is to find a way to create that queue, and enable us to take as many as possible, in an orderly manner.

    Yes, we cannot take the lost. We can do much better.

    Mr. Morrison is wrong. It is global problem, and as we live on this planet, it is also our problem.

    All Mr. Morrison is about, is undermining any prostration that is bought down by the Expert Panel set up to explore all options.

  21. “Prime Minister Julia Gillard has been accused of hypocrisy and compared to a cane toad after she told the states to lower electricity prices, or else.”×1&width=100

    Does he mean that the PM like toads are tough and hard to get rid of.

    “As usual with Labor they’re five years too late. The Prime Minister has been aware of the problem, but through her incompetence has failed to do anything about it.”

    Five years too late. They were told last year that there could be a problem. Since then, the evidence has emerged of what damage, is occurring.

    On being told of the concerns, the PM set up an inquiry to gather facts. The PM has taken her concerns to the states.

    The PM has said that the matter will be dealt with in September, with or without the assistance of the states.

    The present arrangements run out in the near future. The PM is doing the tight thing by addressing the matter at this time.

    What is clear, we have been ripped off. What is clear, the GEF has added very little to the cost of electricity.

    What is clear, is that the PM will deal with the problem.

  22. John from the IPA rang yesterday and we chatted about the progress of the Water Transfer Project. He also mentioned that the ANDEV Annual Report and the Northern Development Policy will be delivered to the ANDEV members next week.

    Will be interesting to see how it meshes with GSC.

  23. Looks like there is an invasion of pests across the blogs. I do not mean rabbits. Would pests be escaping from some of Bernadi’s efforts.

    ….Here’s an uncomfortable coincidence. In a week when I’d normally be piling onto Tony Abbott for wanting to let racists and bigots run off at the mouth again, or putting the old boot leather to Facebook for their disgusting ‘Aboriginal memes’ page, instead I’m going to step back and clean up my own house.
    We’ve spoken recently about the increasingly unpleasant tone of internet speech, of how comment threads in particular are becoming open sewers for no good reason beyond a few misanthropes deciding they quite enjoy dropping pants and taking a crap out in the open………

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  24. Jill from APIA rang yesterday and we chatted about the progress of the urinary tract project.

    Will be interesting to see how it meshes with the IBS.

  25. This from the ABC website,

    “Abbott ignoring energy regulator ‘to scare community’

    Greens leader Christine Milne says Mr Abbott is the one making things up and is ignoring facts for political gain.

    “The pendulum of credibility has swung to the red flashing emergency zone pointing straight at Tony Abbott,” she said.

    Senator Milne says Mr Abbott’s tactics have been exposed.

    “He doesn’t care. He doesn’t want to be across the detail. All he wants to do is try to get into power by scaring the community,” she said.”

    This seems to be the only way Abbott will get into power, don’t worry about facts, just scare the shit out of people with lies and deceit.

  26. “Coalition disunity in power price blame game” “The Federal Opposition Leader is at odds with several of his frontbenchers over the causes of higher electricity prices.”
    Mr Abbott said it was a fabrication for the Prime Minister to suggest power prices are rising because the states are over-investing in power infrastructure.

    He says the carbon tax is to blame for rising electricity costs.

    But Opposition energy spokesman Ian Macfarlane has admitted state government spending on the poles and wires of electricity networks has pushed power prices higher.

    More rumblings in the coalition, it seems they cannot even agree on this.

  27. Another Howard mess to be sorted out.

    ……………..Skills Minister Chris Evans says states have failed in their regulation of privately run training schemes amid claims Australian apprentices are being ripped off and being provided little to no training.

    Senator Evans says the Government is concerned about the allegations aired by the ABC’s 7.30 this week, which suggest a potential crisis in skills education.

    Traditionally, trade schools such as TAFEs have provided training apprentices, but deregulation of the training market has seen TAFEs closing and a boom in private apprenticeship training.

    Apprentices pay private companies, Registered Training Organisations [RTO], for skills training. Both the apprentices and the trainers can receive government assistance or funding.

    But some private training companies have been accused of providing inadequate “tick-and-flick training” that is little more than a sham.

    7.30’s investigations have focused on private training company Skill Training Victoria, one of more than 5,000 private training providers that have opened across Australia in the past decade.

    Apprentices say on-site training consisted of little more than a series of staged photo shoots designed to give the appearance of training in order to secure more government funding for the business.

    Glenn Clarke, who was once trained at Skills Training Victoria, says he was uncomfortable with some of the things he was asked to do in order to secure government funding.

    “The concreting module, simple forms of concrete, we had to use sand instead of actually using concrete – and with the photos being black and white you couldn’t actually tell whether they were sand or concrete,” he said.

    “The kids were supposed to be using concrete but they weren’t.”

    Former apprentice Cameron Dalgleish says he was left disheartened and disappointed with the situation.

    Mr Dalgleish says the company provided no practical, on-site training and his theory education was also lacking.

    “There would be a question [and] you’d pretty much have to go through the book to find the answer, and you pretty much word for word it,” he said.

    “If you had a problem, you’ve pretty much got the team, they’d show you half the answers half the time anyway. ………….×1&width=100

  28. We need to be thankful our navy has discovered it alleged weakness. It would have been embarrassing in a war.

    It they are not up to overseeing and picking up a fee hundred people, including children, how are they going to cope in conflict.

    The navy has made its biggest rescue of asylum seekers as the strain of intercepting refugee vessels puts patrol boats out of action.

    Defence has ordered an investigation into the navy’s overworked fleet of patrol boats following the discovery of structural cracks in at least three vessels. The discovery of the cracks comes as the nation’s Armidale-class boats are pushed harder than ever before to cope with surging asylum boat arrivals. (Oz)

    In the latest dramatic rescue effort, 211 asylum-seekers were plucked from a stricken boat in high seas yesterday. Authorities kept the morning rescue secret for hours, announcing it at 9.30pm yesterday. It was the 25th boat with more than 100 on board to arrive this year. (Daily Tele)……..

    Lets hope some know how to put a shelf up.

    Tony Abbott is heading for Aurukun, in Cape York, to begin a working bee with top CEOs including Gerry Harvey, Michael Chaney and David Peever.

  29. Let me correct that piece…

    “Tony Abbott is heading for Aurukun, in Cape York, to begin a(nother) workingstunt…

    There’s a couple of things about the patrol boats. They were made for war and if the media thinks that intercepting slow asylum seeker boats is overworking them then they as usual show their ignorance in matters related to defence.

    This is another symptom of a Howard stuff up, one that is being addressed by the current government. Beazley proposed offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) on several occasions and though they made a lot of practical sense, especially in the current circumstances, but also in defence of Australia’s coastline, Howard rejected the idea, instead putting all the resources into large ships and patrol boats.

    Remember Howard used frigates to intercept asylum seeker boats and illegal fishing vessels in an exercise that was not only exorbitantly expensive but moral destroying for the 180+ on those frigates. He did this purely for political gain as a chest thumping exercise to make out he was tough in another example of his use of defence for his personal standing with the public.

  30. “Forward indicators for employment are sending warning bells. The bureau’s measure of job vacancies shrank by 15,000 in the 15 months to May.
    Most of that decline was in Victoria, and mostly in white-collar jobs in professional offices, administration and healthcare.

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    These would not be the areas that the three premiers are busily and quickly getting rid of.

    How come it not pointed out that the states by sacking tens of thousands of PS, closing down NGO and letting go contractors, is not going to add the the nation unemployment figures.

  31. MO, he is only going for three days this time. I thought he promised them a week every year. Another broken promise.

  32. Cu. It bodes very badly for a leader to break so many promises and tell such an extraordinary amount of lies in opposition.

  33. Backed by their own wing of think tanks that increasingly function as public-relations agencies, Australian conservatives are in the process of building a whole alternative ideology system, with its own facts, its own history and its own laws of economics. Their politics around the pricing of carbon is a good example.

    We have entered a “post-truth” era in politics, and Tony Abbott has actually campaigned that way for the past two years. Everything is seen a political opportunity to use the tactics of fear to show that the Gillard Government just staggers from one crisis situation to the next.

    David Rowe
    What is disheartening is that political reporters in the mainstream press have shown that they are incapable of figuring this post truth campaign out; or if they have, then they have not informed us of the mass deception. What appears to matter for the insider journalists (the political media) is not what’s true, but whether the tactics of the campaign strategy work.

    The judgment is that Abbott’s fear campaign is spectacularly successful, that of the Gillard Government is a disaster, and so the Gillard Government is going to be wiped out in 2013. This representation, we are confidently informed, is the basic structure of the world. There has been a remarkable silence around the truth content of that fear campaign.

  34. Incredible isn’t it Cu. Yet the Right commentators here are more than happy to endorse this continuous litany of lies and deceits, of course as long as it’s their side doing it and appearing to win the day because of it.

    In any other circumstances a leader and party with the tacit approval of vested interest organisations, wealthy business owners and the media that put out the constant amount of lies and deceits that Abbot and the Liberals have would have been lambasted and condemned in the harshest ways from the outset.

    This says so much about the lack in Abbott’s supporters that they cheer his litany of lies and deceits as a success and bodes so ill for this country in the future if this is the low base level they have come down to.

  35. CU @ 5.02
    On 7.30 last night Leigh Sales thought she had a gotcha moment with Senator Evans. Poor Sales it appears from her interview that she leaves ANY investigation of the facts to the person who writes her questions. Time and again she tried to blame the federal government for the problems with skills training in Victoria and Sales was not listening to the answers. It was not until late in the interview that Sales finally realised she was not going to get her gotcha. Either someone whispered in her ear or she listened to Evans that the problem in Victoria was that the Victorian government was failing in its responsibilities. And worse still for Sales and her gotcha, that the federal government had been trying to get Victoria to hand responsibility to the federal government. Evans pointed out that Victoria only did paper trail audits of private skills training organisations wheras the federal government visited sites to check on compliance.

  36. Right commentators here are more than happy to endorse this continuous litany of lies and deceits, of course as long as it’s their side doing it

    of course mo, after all, having abandoned reality so clearly wrt agw, they have
    nothing else
    than propaganda to bolster their failing efforts in getting their dirty hands on the power they so desperately deserve 😥

    after all it worked for goebells didn’t it ?

  37. I hope one of those patrol boats encounters a refugee boat. Tony could be at the helm, draped in the Australian flag with megaphone in hand. “Turn back or we’ll shoot”.

  38. Just a quick hello, if you would enjoy a good read on the power/energy debate issues start with andrew elder and follow the links. I am now reading about ‘virtual’ power stations, great stuff. after reading about what and why it is happening in japan (thanks to the nuclear shut down) i will now look to the programs in australia.

  39. Sue on 10/8 12.13
    I saw that interview though as with most of what’s on the ABC now I didn’t look at it as closely as you. Agreed that Sales kept trying for a “yes, everything’s our fault & the best thing we can all do is make Mr Abbott P.M. tonight” moment which she didn’t get.
    My main impression was “here we go again, straight into pink battland”. Supposedly massive, deliberate & sustained malfeasance & neglect on the part of the private sector, those enthusiastic champions of the Right, is rebadged as government incompetence with nary a prosecutorial glance in the direction of the actual baddies.
    But Leigh had an empty hook that night.

  40. Sue, worth reading. I was asked if I believe a time would come when we did not need the extensive grid we have today. The answer is yes, I believe we are entering a new age,

    I also am aware that most of our power houses in NSW were built in the 1950s and are coming to the end of their productive life. This opens the way for a more efficient and productive system.

  41. What a joke. The Port Adelaide game isn’t televised into Canberra but instead we get Gilligan’s Island. Some may argue that’s a suitable alternative.

  42. LOVO, how remiss of me to not thank you for your kind “What Migs said” Re my poem, glad you liked it too.


  43. Guess what? This week has already been our busiest week ever since we started up 26 months ago. This is after July being our best month ever.

    We aren’t destructing. We’re constructing.

  44. Dennis Atkins [Courier Mail, 11 August 2012] spots more Right-Wing Projection from Abbott:

    Abbott proved in recent days he will not shy away from any untruth in his campaign to brand Gillard an untrustworthy liar.

    Right-Wing Projection: A deliberate political tactic whereby right wingers detract from their faults by ascribing them to their opponents.

  45. Does this back up what Mr. Swan is alleging, that some of our wealthiest are throwing their weigh around.

    Queensland Premier Campbell Newman has accused businessman Clive Palmer of trying to exert inappropriate influence on the LNP hierarchy.

    The war of words between the LNP Premier and his party’s billionaire supporter broke out this morning when Mr Palmer attacked the Newman Government over its cost-cutting measures.

    He attacked the decision to axe public funding for the administration of political parties and also hit out at Mr Newman’s sweeping program of civil service job cuts.

    “They’ve said that their main strategy is to cut costs. Well if we get rid of 20,000 employees we save about $1.8 billion and our total deficit now is about $100 billion, so we’re not even covering the interest,” he said.

    “What the state needs is a growth policy as well as a cutting policy.”

    Mr Newman has hit back, saying Mr Palmer is disgruntled because things have not gone his way with his proposed resort development on the Sunshine Coast.

  46. Another great article over on the Political Sword, this about Tony Abbott conning the media.

    “I trust that what has been presented in this piece has given credence to the view that at least some of the MSM are waking up to the fact that Abbott has been conning them all along, and that they have been sucked in. Some are beginning to realize that unless they begin to tell the public about Abbott’s deception, disingenuousness, and his lies, their credibility will suffer and eventually be destroyed, something they can hardly countenance professionally. They have to tell it the way it is.

    Journalists have to accept that Abbott is no better than a Duracell Bunny, who is fitted each morning with new batteries, and who goes out thumping his tub, the same tub he always thumps. He has nothing else to thump about but the carbon tax, the minerals tax, the boats, the ‘worst government in history’, the awful PM, Ju-liar. They have been conned by him for years, listening uncritically to his tub-thumping, repeating his words without question, never challenging his thumping, believing that he is the chosen Bunny because the polls say so, diminishing their journalistic reputation with every sycophantic piece they write. Well folks, The Great Awakening is upon them.

    Journalists who simply echo the tub thumping of the Bunny, the Bunny they have never challenged, the Bunny who has conned them all this time, will go down with him as his batteries corrode, splutter and go flat.”!-You-know-Tony-Abbott-is-conning-you.aspx

  47. Migs said

    Guess what? This week has already been our busiest week ever since we started up 26 months ago. This is after July being our best month ever.

    We aren’t destructing. We’re constructing.

    I reckon that’s in part because people in general are looking for alternatives to the usual news sources. The reason for the searching is because they realise Abbott and most of the media have “sold them a pup” since prior to the last Federal Election.

  48. Government has won High Court case against plain cigarette packaging.

    Another piece of legislation Abbott has promised to undo.

  49. On both big tobacco and the clubs..a summary of political donations..

    The Coalition also received donations worth $184,000 from British American Tobacco and $79,000 from Philip Morris.

    Mining companies and associated lobby groups were also big donors and big campaigners as they fought the Government’s tax on mining profits and the carbon pricing scheme.

    The Minerals Council of Australia spent nearly $4 million fighting the tax, with most of that spent on broadcast advertising.

    The Association of Mining and Exploration Companies spent another $2.2 million.

    Clive Palmer’s Mineralogy gave the Coalition parties, at federal and state levels, nearly $500,000.


    Fighting the crackdown on poker machines cost Clubs New South Wales close to $1 million.

    It also gave nearly $500,000 in political donations, with the lion’s share going to the Coalition.

    The Australian Hotels Association also spent more than $850,000 on donations, most of which again went to the Liberal and National parties.

    His Queensland Nickel gave another $500,000 to Queensland’s LNP.

  50. If you can find it it’s worth the search for Grogs Gamut bit on Robb lying through his back teeth.

    Robb saying that investment is being stymied by this government alongside a graph showing investment in Australia at phenomenal all time highs.

    Why do the right need to lie and deceive to make points. Is it that they are that bare of intelligence and lucid thought that all they can resort to are lies and deceits to win voters.

    Very sad.

  51. Why do the right need to lie and deceive to make points

    I’ve pondered this, too. I think it’s because if they told the TRUTH about what they’re really about (agenda), so few people would vote for it they’d become a minor party overnight, and probably cease to exist as a political presence after a short time.

  52. Paul, it’s always so difficult to choose isn’t it..when discussing Abbott, everything always seems to fit so neatly into the subject of Stupidity…

  53. i harp on about the “denialosphere”, as it seems to me, that in the politicising, and associated denial of agw the right has abandoned reality – they rely on lies, spin, and propaganda, precisely because they have nothing else .

    they are obviously panicking because completely their inability to enunciate any meaningful policies before the election is apparent, and can see the “punters” are getting fed up with their continual bullsh*t.

    unimaginative to the extreme, the opposition in its blindness and greed is reduced to clumsy and inneffectual attempts to destabilise the government, and recycling lies in its efforts to force a “panic” election, which it sees as the only way it could “win”.

    they are unable to comprehend that even as they (may) score a “victory” for BAU, the cost may well be our civilisation.

  54. they are obviously panicking because completely their inability to enunciate any meaningful policie

  55. Pterosaur, it’s quite ironic isn’t it. When asked about policies the opposition sulkily proclaim that they don’t have to, because they don’t want to..but whenever they’ve attempted this feat, they’ve mucked it up. It’s only been due to an overly compliant media that their policies haven’t downright laughed at..

  56. Speaking of irony, Min, they argue that we’re too far out from an election to be worried about policies at this stage. They’d be really stumped if the PM calls an early election. You know, the one they’ve been demanding. 🙄

    There’s no logic in irony.

  57. Roswell, you are spot on there. Abbott has repeatedly demanded a new election, but has zilch by way of credible policies to take to one…

  58. I’ve never given much thought to an early election, but I don’t think the indies would approve. It would certainly wrong foot Abbott. And that would be nice!

    Nah, won’t happen!

  59. They went to the last election without policies, too. They even took shonky costings to the election. Didn’t bring them any grief: their media brushed it all under the carpet and spent its time boosting them and attacking Labor.

  60. However it seems that there is some questioning of the blue tribes messaging going on a the moment (since the sky didn’t fall in on Whyalla and so on). It may continue – in which case Abbott has really blown it.

  61. Yes.

    There are calls for Australia to have an enquiry into its role in going to the Iraq war and the basis it used to justify illegally invading another country.

    The UK has had several enquiries, the US has had limited investigations and most of the European countries who participated immediately after the invasion have had enquiries or like Norway are proposing enquiries.

    It’s about time Australia had one or several enquiries into this great corruption by an Australian government in lying and deliberate deception to justify the most serious of all decisions a government can make, that is to send its troops to war.

  62. Former prime minister Malcolm Fraser is among a group of eminent Australians who are calling for an inquiry into the Iraq War, but Defence Minister Stephen Smith says there is no need to reinvestigate the issue.
    The group – which also includes former defence secretary Paul Barratt – says there must be an independent inquiry into how Australia became involved in the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
    Mr Fraser said today that going to war was a ”really serious matter” and that people knew that evidence used before the war about weapons of mass destruction was fabricated.
    ”We know the war was begun on the basis of a lie,” Mr Fraser told ABC TV.
    Former prime minister John Howard sent Australians troops to Iraq in March 2003. As part of an election commitment Kevin Rudd withdrew Australian combat troops in 2008.
    Today Mr Smith said an inquiry was not warranted.
    He said there had already been several inquiries into the war and that lessons had already been learnt. ”You always learn lessons from a former or previous conflict,” he told ABC TV.
    Prime Minister Julia Gillard also told reporters in Canberra today that she did not think the proposed inquiry was a good idea.
    Mr Smith hit out at Mr Fraser, who was minister for army during the Vietnam War.
    ”With the greatest of respect to Malcolm, these days [he is] saying a range of things which I didn’t hear him say as minister for army … or prime minister,” Mr Smith said.
    Mr Smith has been joined by his predecessor, Robert Hill, who was defence minister when Australia troops were sent to Iraq, in dismissing the call for an inquiry.

    Read more:

  63. The most extraordinary Suspension of standing Orders!!!!!!!!

    Tony Windsor got to talk and he got stuck into the lies of Tony Abbott, repeating that Abbott begged for the job of PM and that he would go as far as selling his arse.
    Windsor wanted to suspend parliament and debate the real issues

    The most dramatic speech i have witnessed.

  64. 3.29pm: And here, seconding, is Independent Tony Windsor.

    Some facts, Mr Windsor contends.

    One. The Prime Minister didn’t win the election.

    Two. Doing something about climate change was a condition of forming government.

    Three. Tony Abbott said he would do anything to get that job.

    Four. The only thing you indicated you wouldn’t do, Tony, is sell your arse.

    Five. I’m proud I supported carbon pricing.

    Six. History will judge those with the guts to do something about carbon pricing.

    Seven. You (Mr Abbott) are an absolute disgrace.

    (This is what we call a moment in politics.)

    Read more:

  65. It’s about time Australia had one or several enquiries into this great corruption by an Australian government in lying and deliberate deception to justify the most serious of all decisions a government can make, that is to send its troops to war.
    Couldn’t agree more.


  66. Left the Tony Windsor trend as the right wingers being barraged by support for Windsor became very nasty and abusive, as they nearly always do. One called for Windsor to die.

  67. Yes lets get back to Windsor dishing it up to Windsor. Thanks Mobius Ecko for the links to the tweets.

    Poor diddums Abbott after QT has said “obviously he wouldn’t do anything as he isn’t in the Lodge”. well diddums I wouldn’t bring that up as Windsor and Oakshott have it on the record that the “character” of someone who would beg for the job was considered not worthy to be considered a leader.

  68. And how right they turned out to be Sue.

    As revealed later not only had Abbott shafted two of his better performing party members, one who is my local member, to sell his arse to get to PM, he had planned to construct an early election at the soonest opportunity hopefully to get rid of the independents.

    And the wingnuts are calling Windsor dishonest and a disgrace.

    They really are locked into an alternate reality in their desperation to support a morally corrupt, deceptive and lying leader

  69. ABC showed just a little of Windsor in parliament having a go at Abbott’s carbon abatement scheme. The first person I’ve seen who has challenged this ridiculous and expensive scheme. Windsor said that Abbott had the audacity to attack the carbon price when his scheme won’t work and is far more expensive.

    Go Tony Windsor.

    ABC before they showed Windsor for one minute gave Morrison a long run on mouthing off about the merchant ship and again lying about the asylum seeker policy that wasn’t challenged by the ABC reporter.

  70. 16 August 2012, 4:08 pm
    I was astounded today when the opposition voted against my motion recognising the strong Australian economy and requesting we put facts before fear in economic debates.



    16 August 2012

    Tony Abbott opposed to using facts in economic debates

    The House of Representatives today passed a Private Member’s Motion moved by Member for Fraser, Dr Andrew Leigh. The Private Member’s Motion recognised the strength of the Australian economy and called upon all Members to approach economic debates with facts rather than fear.

    Tony Abbott and the opposition voted against the motion.

    My media release on it is as follows:

  71. THE Coalition has declared its support for Australia’s involvement in a second round of the Kyoto protocol climate pact – a pledge that goes even further than the Gillard government’s present stance.
    Despite past resistance to Kyoto under John Howard, the Coalition’s climate action spokesman, Greg Hunt, has given ”in principle support” to Australia’s involvement in a second round of the Kyoto deal, after the first round expires in December.
    His remarks came as new polling showed strong voter support for participation in international climate deals.

    Read more:

    As they say in parts of the UK, not a good day for our Tony.

  72. Mr. Windsor pointed out to Mr. Abbott, his BlackBerry. Wonder if he recorded the conversation re selling his arse.

  73. CU @ 5.25
    i wonder if anyone from the msm will ask windsor about the blackberry?
    my first thoughts were the same, i wonder if windsor has a record of the begging?

  74. They are calling Abbott’s negotiations during the last election arsegate and apparently the term “arsed” has been going around for a bit and it turns out to come out of arsegate. Being arsed is to offer everything to get what you want.

  75. True Migs but that’s along the lines of a direct insult, which is what the wingnuts always go down to as they are in spades in the Tony Windsor trend.

    Arsegate Abbott is about the backwash from a historical political event.

    History will record Arsegate and Abbott’s role in it whereas Abbott as an arsehole will be a nation’s memory of the man, especially if he becomes PM. You only need look at Newman to see the truth in that.

  76. The media may start ringing around about “disquiet” in the Liberal party room before this sitting session is over next week.

  77. funny suit
    did he wear that one in Qld when Newman announced his cuts/ transfer to the regions of breast cancer screening?

  78. Sea ice disappearing faster than predicted

    Sea ice in the Arctic is disappearing at a far greater rate than previously expected, according to data from a satellite launched to study the thickness of Earth’s polar caps.

    Preliminary results from the European Space Agency CryoSat-2 probe indicate that 900cu km of summer sea ice has disappeared from the Arctic ocean over the past year.

    This rate of loss is 50 per cent higher than most scenarios outlined by polar scientists and suggests that global warming, triggered by rising greenhouse gas emissions, is beginning to have a major impact on the region. In a few years the Arctic ocean could be free of ice in summer, triggering a rush to exploit its fisheries, oil, minerals and sea routes.

  79. ‘Sea ice disappearing faster the predicted.’

    The beer in my bar fridge is doing the same! Wonder if there is a connection. 🙂

  80. Rabbit, as long as your beer doesn’t suffer from acidification all will be well. 😉

    As if we didn’t have enough proof of climate change already, here is some extra..

    Ocean species that used to live off Sydney half a century ago now inhabit the Southern Ocean as climate change drives fish, plankton and microbes to colder waters, a scientific snapshot of marine health has found.

    The report by 80 scientists, led by the CSIRO, documents the southward migration of marine life, as well as ocean acidification and coral bleaching that are attributable to climate change.

  81. Newman has increased mining royalties, as did Bartlett in WA before him.

    So where is the outrage at these State Liberal leaders increasing taxes and taking away money from the poor mega wealthy mining magnates and their (mostly overseas) shareholders?

    Where are these mining magnates with their custom made professional protest signs damning the Newman government and decreeing Axe the Tax?

  82. House of Representatives Speaker Peter Slipper will have to pay costs after withdrawing claims that a former staffer ‘unlawfully’ leaked his diary.

    In an application lodged with the Federal Court, the independent MP for the Queensland seat of Fisher asked for the word ‘unlawfully’ to be removed from earlier claims against James Ashby, who has launched a sexual harassment claim against Mr Slipper.

    The claims refer to Mr Ashby’s actions in allegedly giving extracts of Mr Slipper’s diary to former Howard government minister Mal Brough and News Limited journalist Steve Lewis.

    After the matter was heard on Friday, a spokesman for Mr Ashby said outside court that Mr Slipper had been ordered to pay Mr Ashby’s legal costs after withdrawing his ‘repeated allegations’ of unlawful conduct.

    ‘Mr Slipper has now finally unconditionally withdrawn that allegation in these proceedings,’ the spokesman said.

    ‘He will also be required by court order to pay our substantial indemnity costs on this issue.’

    In his application, Mr Slipper requested that ‘unlawfully’ be removed from a point of claim saying Mr Ashby ‘communicated and sent extracts’ of his diary to his political rival Mr Brough.

    I think this moves the Constitutional issues, allowing the matter to go ahead quicker.

  83. Robert Hill on the Press Club as the Chairman for the Cooperative Research Centre, get this, for Low Carbon Living.

    Yes, Robert Hill, the old Howard conservative stalwart, chairman of a CRC that accepts AGW as scientific fact and is finding ways about doing something about it.

    CRC for Low Carbon Living
    CRC program funding: $28 million

    The CRC for Low Carbon Living brings together key property, planning and policy organisations with leading Australian researchers to develop new social, technological and policy tools for reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the built environment. The CRC will help unlock barriers to cost-effective carbon saving opportunities, empower communities and facilitate the widespread adoption of local renewable energy. This will enable the sector to contribute to Australia’s greenhouse gas emission reduction targets while maintaining industry competitiveness and improving quality of life.

  84. I’m not even going to link to this as it such a absurd piece I don’t want to give the dignity of a hit.

    News Ltd online news piece, what else. Reporter will remain nameless.

    You see the Rudd leadership challenge not happening again, and Gillard not being turfed is not the fault of the media who keep saying it’s going to happen every other week, but it’s Rudd’s fault.

    Yes you heard it correctly. It’s Rudd’s fault because somehow he’s too selfish and inept to be able to properly mount a challenge and win, though apparently according to the reporter he is continuously attempting to do so.

    So there, the media aren’t wrong in claiming a Rudd challenge and Gillard overthrow as it’s going on right now, but the problem is that Rudd can’t manage it, and the moment he does, which could be any time now, the media will be there for you. In the meantime they will tell you about a challenge to Gillard by Rudd every second Monday at the start of a news cycle when things are a little slow.

  85. At the finish of Abbott’s speech, the announcer said he bought up familiar announcements. Did not have much more to say about the speech.

    In other words, it was just another rehash of the statements that he has been making every day since the last election.

    One statement at the end, did attract my attentions. The good news is that we will be having an election within twelve months.

    Does this mean that he is facing the reality, that he lost last time, and this government will run it full time.

  86. Why do you talk in riddles scaper? – if you’ve got something to say, FFS just say it. What is happening “tomorrow morning 8:30-9:00?” Why should I get out of bed early to watch something I wouldn’t normally bother watching?

  87. Well, Agenda was interesting. Going viral to other media now and this issue will not go away.

    I wonder how Four Corners are going with their enquiries? If Blewitt talks then it will be most interesting to watch.

  88. There were many things we did not know about Nauru. It was off bounds to all media and those who wish to give support.

  89. scaper, with a little luck, it will clear the matter up for once and all. Leaving many with egg on their face.

    History has shown that campaigns along this line, when investigated fully, has revealed little.

    Painters and Dockers and Builders Labourers come to mind. It was the employers mostly in the hot seat. An inquiry in-top HSU is likely to reveal more than many want, that is on the side of the right.

    If there was any real evidence, do not you think, after seventeen years it would not be acted on.

    God, some of those involved are that old, that one would be questioning their recall.

  90. So are we now going to have an investigation into Abbott’s early days?

    I note on Twitter that Pyne wants to allow rumours and innuendos into parliament but shut up very quickly when it was stated that that would go for both sides.

  91. When I was watching Question Time in the House of Representatives last week I thought that the Coalition’s iron grip on the political agenda is beginning to loosen. The Coalition’s no carbon tax wrecking ball mantra has lost its resonance and momentum –it looks like what it always was, a political slogan with no policy substance behind it with respect to energy policy. Carbon pricing now a fact of life and ordinary life continues.

    With Big Tobacco defeated maybe the Gillard Government has a space to begin to focus o its educational reform agenda in the form of the Gonski school funding review. Christopher Pyne, the Coalition education spokesman, has not only rejected Gonski but said that an Abbott government would repeal it.

    This provides an opportunity for the Gillard government to push a policy issue to which it might be able to get a positive reaction, since the Liberals are publicly seen to be attentive to the needs or private education at the expense of public education, they are very assertive in defending public funding for the very richest private schools.

  92. A 27-year-old court case in which Health Minister Tony Abbott was charged with indecent assault is about to be revived.

    The case involved an allegation that Mr Abbott, then a 20-year-old student leader in the heady days of campus politics, groped a woman activist on stage before an audience of 200.

    In an exclusive interview with The Sun-Herald, Mr Abbott said the groping allegation was “a long time ago – and it was a completely fictional incident”.

    He added: “It’s part of the Abbott story – it is not part of the Abbott present.”

    The incident will appear in a book on Mr Abbott and Labor leader Mark Latham to be published next month.

    Mr Abbott said the case in January 1978 was dismissed. The magistrate complained of “enormous conflict” between the prosecution and defence evidence.

    The alleged assault was a “put-up job” staged by political opponents, Mr Abbott said – “to be embarrassing. And it was embarrassing.”

    Maybe this is not news.

    What I find more interesting from that time, and what Mr. Abbott has said was true, is that he took no responsibility for the baby he believed was his.

    He gave the ultimation that is be adopted out and scurried to Oxford.

    At the time, things were turning around. Unmarried mothers were beginning to make the choice to keep their babies.

    I know this, as I was one of them.

  93. Transcript from Bolt’s site.

    Should make Tweed happy.

    A transcript of the Gillard interview this morning:

    PK: I want to refer to the article in yesterday’s Australian. Is it correct, that in 1995 you had to resign as a partner at Slater and Gordon as a result of their investigation into misappropriation of funds around the legal entity that you had established?

    JG: I am not dignifying all of this scurrilous campaigning by going through these things point by point, Paul. We are talking about matters 17 years ago which have been dealt with on the public record for most of that time. As long as 15 years ago these matters were dealt with on the public record. I did nothing wrong. If you’ve got an allegation I did something wrong, then put it. If you don’t have an allegation I did something wrong then let’s ask a question that matters to the nation today. On Slater and Gordon you’re talking about a firm with which I’ve got continuing good relationships and as recently as the last few weeks was giving a speech in their building and greeting staff at their Sydney office.

    PK: Okay, well, can I just ask, given your good relations with the firm, would you like to see them make some statement to clarify this matter?

    JG: Look, what Slater and Gordon says is a matter for Slater and Gordon but, Paul, my essential point here is there’s delving into matters 17 years ago for what purpose? If you’ve got an allegation I did something wrong, put it. If you can’t put it, why are we talking about this?

    PK: No, no, I’ve got no allegation but the point is …

    JG: Well, if you’ve got no allegation and I’ve not seen in yesterday’s Australian or anywhere else an allegation put about my conduct. If there is no allegation to deal with then why are we dealing with this issue when we could be dealing with the Australian economy, schools, health.

    PK: No, we’re very keen to deal with those issues but there were a series of allegations made in yesterday’s Australian by a former senior partner which questioned your integrity. Surely you need to respond to those allegations?

    JG: Well, I am not going to get into a circumstance where we’ve got people blogging malicious nonsense and we’ve got some of this penetrating to the media. I am not going to get myself into a circumstance where I’m going to spend my time dealing with these events 17 years ago when the people who are asking me questions about them are unable to even articulate what it is that they say I did wrong. This is just nonsense and a distraction from the important work I’ve got to do as Prime Minister and the important issues for this nation’s future. I’ve just said to you, Paul, I continue to have very good relationships with Slater and Gordon, you know, going and greeting the staff and all of that kind of stuff. It’s not the first time I’ve done that. It won’t be the last time I do that.

    PK: Okay, I understand your point. You’re saying it’s all nonsense. Can I just ask you then this direct question .. .the central point ..

    JG: Well, Paul I’ve dealt ….

    PK: No, hang on… The central point was, the central point was the partner alleged you had to resign because of this issue, is that correct or not?

    JG: Look, Paul, I did resign from Slater and Gordon, that’s a matter of public record. I made the decision to do that. All the rest of this is just the sort of scurrilous ….

    PK: But you’re not answering this specific point …

    JG: Paul, I’m not getting in to specifics about issues 17 years ago when you are not able to put to me any contention about why this is relevant to my conduct as Prime Minister today. I mean join the dots for me, Paul. What matters about this today for Australia and me being Prime Minister? Just articulate that.

    PK: Well, I will. The point is that a partner in your former firm has made a series of allegations which go to your integrity.

    JG: And the relevance to me being Prime Minister today, Paul?

    PK: Well, well, I think when accusations are made about the integrity of a Prime Minister going to the profession position she had before she came into politics … surely that is relevant?

    JG: And, Paul, I did nothing wrong. Are you challenging that?

    PK: No, I’m just asking questions.

    JG: Well, and this is the issue, isn’t it? Because I understand you’re being asked to ask questions today.

    PK: No, no, no, sorry, there’s no-one asking me to ask questions.

    JG: Well, that wasn’t my advice a little bit earlier before this show.

    PK: Well, I’m sorry Prime Minister, I ask my own questions and nobody tells me what questions to ask.

    JG: And I’ll give you an answer to them. I did nothing wrong, Paul. Have you got an allegation to put to me? If you do not, why are we discussing this?

    PVO: Can I just ask one question on this and then we’ll move on. Last question. Why not just put it all out there? I believe you that you did nothing wrong. I made a comment on Friday on my show “The Contrarians” that I thought this is all a beat up and we should move on to the major issues. But why not just address it straight down the barrell so that we can move on and all of this scuttlebutt that goes on online, which frankly I’m sick of people emailing me about this, we can just move on from it.

    JG: Well, Peter, let me welcome but also question your grand naivety. These people who are dealing with this online in their malicious and motivated way would not stop not matter what explanations I gave. You know that, I know that and that is why there is no point in flogging through all of the details of this because people who are pursuing this malicious campaign will continue to do it. They are not at all interested in the truth. The truth is I did nothing wrong. No-one has put any direct assertion to me. You haven’t done it today, it hasn’t been done in the newspaper that I did anything wrong. In these circumstances why are we 17 years later, when these matters have been dealth with on the public record for the best part of a decade and a half, still talking about this?

  94. Has taken over two months to get the story this far. Still has no legs.

    And now the Liberal Party attack dog Christopher Pyne has made the subject one of open party political debate. He told Sky News there were very serious questions about the prime minister’s integrity and she should make a personal explanation to parliament. Files held by Slater Gordon should also be released detailing the circumstances surrounding Ms Gillard’s resignation. ‘In the interest of clearing the prime minister’s name, those files should be released,’ the Manager of Opposition Business told Sky News.

    There is a vague recollection that the PM was asked some questions at the time. Some vague notion about receipts. The killer is that the PM resigned around that time. No reason given.

    Now as the matter was in the public at that time, it would be funny if the firm did not ensure that everything was above board. There is no mention in the so called new story of the PM being accused of anything.

    Talk about much ado about nothing.

    Sorry, there was one. The PM was not in the relationship at that time.

  95. If Peter van O is caning it – it’s got a lot of legs (and credibility). Pyne knows very well that Slater & Gordon can’t release files subject to confidentiality so he thinks he’s on a winner.

    Even the article in the Australian yesterday could only suggest that something may have happened. The whole thing is straight out of the US Tea Party playbook.

  96. I reckon Pyne should then demand that all records about Abbott’s university says be released along with why he was let off scott free after being caught in an act of vandalism and being charged.

    Of the same relevance and non-importance.

    Let’s go even further to more recent events. How about Pyne demand that all the records on Australia’s role in the Iraq war be made public including AWB and what Downer’s office really knew.

    How about an enquiry into the Iraq war Pyne?

  97. Sure signs of a very desperate dysfunctional opposition who don’t want to go to a full term election as it appears it will reveal the bullshit they have been peddling for the last four years, and that they have nothing to offer the people of Australia but plenty to offer the rich people of Australia.

  98. Nothing from Mr. Abbott this weekend.

    Except for taking us back to the golden era of Mr. Howard, that has been ridiculed by one and all.

  99. they have nothing to offer the people of Australia but plenty to offer the rich people of Australia.

    there, fixed it for you, Mo 😀

  100. ME, you’re right wrt dredging up Liealot’s past vandalism and sexual misconduct.

    Then a nice Royal Commission into the invasion of Iraq and AWB with much broader ToR than the Rodent allowed. Former ministers and the Rodent should all be forced to give evidence.

    I have a feeling that interest in the PM’s former lover would evaporate faster than the speed of light.

    Definitely time to defang the msm.

  101. The latest Newspoll saw the federal government gain 5 percentage points on its first preference vote. It may have been due to the prime minister being on holidays, as some cynics suggest, but it also might be due to the fact that she won the argument with the premiers over the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

    That may be why Julia Gillard came back to have a swipe at the states over electricity pricing. It’s an area where they are potentially threatened by voters who are particularly sensitive to price increases.

  102. What I would like to see, is some information on the things that Abbott achieved before politics.

    We know he has three,degrees, I believe which he does not seem to use for anything.

    He entered a seminary which was a failure. He was a journalist, but that is all we know. I believe he might have worked as a political adviser, or something similar.

    We know that he was excellent at hounding Ms. Hanson, until she ended up in prison, where she was later released, because she just happened to be innocence The evidence that she was convicted on was provided by Abbott and co.

    We know he will lie, at the drop of a hat. We know he will run, rather than face his responsibility.

    Now for this man to be considered the best opposition leader ever, we all must be missing something..

  103. Cu, I remember Abbott recalling that he was a failure at the seminary because he couldn’t keep his hands off the ladies. Then of course quite recently there was his love child which wasn’t. These two aspects of Abbott’s personality would confirm your summation that Abbott does run rather than face his responsibility plus a trivilising of issues. Abbott rarely ventures beyond the superficial.

  104. To the point Min that he can’t even face his own shortcomings and failings so he projects them onto others.

    He can’t face himself without running away.

  105. Mobius, that has also often been my impression. Abbott will stand there with his usual somewhat bland expression and say things which get me to think – wait a moment, that’s himself who he is speaking about, not the other person. This regards criticism, it’s his own failings which he describes..therefore your projection theory.

  106. Added to that is his Oppositional disorder, that generally emerges at the toddler stage, and reaching it’s peak at adolescence. Most grow out of it by the time they leave their teens.

    I believe we have a visitor to this site, that suffers from the same disorder. That is, everything has to be opposed.

    It is the need to disagree to everything, then have the last word.

  107. There are some here that doubt this is science or reliable. They need to do so, as the evidence makes their denialists position complete idiocy.

    Posted by wmmbb in Natural Environment.
    Tree ring research predates the amplified voice of climate change denial by decades. Like any observations there are doubtless variations.

    Deutsche Wella reports that researchers have managed to reconstruct the climate from the study of tree rings for the last 2,000 years. It turns out that Finland because of its’ high latitude and the fact that tree trunks can be preserved in frozen water is a particularly good location for this research. The article considers the methods used, including the use of special X-ray technology that measures the density of the cells in the wood samples.

    The conclusions confirm what is known from written sources:

    According to the measurements findings, temperatures dropped continuously in the 2000 years before the year 1900, around the time the Industrial Revolution began, by about 0.3 degrees Celsius (2.44 degrees Fahrenheit) per 1000 years. The researchers didn’t consider the time after 1900 for their measurements because of the new phenomenon impacting on climate research, the rise in greenhouse gases.

    Trees can tell us something about the past – and possibly about the future
    The Finnish tree rings also had something to tell about other climate events. The climate curves gave information about volcano eruptions, because in the wake of these events, temperatures generally drop by about 0.7 degrees Celsius. Warm and cold periods can also be identified this way. During Roman times, temperatures were very high. The same goes for the so-called Medieval Climate Optimum, a warm period in the Middle Ages. This was followed by a colder phase, the so-called small ice age. In the second decade, temperatures started rising again.

    Today, climate modelers who try and predict the climate of the future could potentially also benefit from the results of the research. The data stems from a time when there was little CO2 in the atmosphere. And so, the trees can tell researchers something about natural climate change – with no human impact.

    Tree Ring research, dendrochronology, preceded concern with global warming, and it is suggested began as proxy for sunspot activity:

  108. Abbott is once again trying to play the stalling game by hiving off the NDIS off to a enquiry. The name of the game is to thwart any progress, with any means one can.
    Once again the Oppositional Disorder is in play.


    Alexander Downer seems to have selective memory loss about the length of time assylum seekers spent in detention under the Howard government.
    Here’s what he said yesterday:

    Mr Downer declared yesterday that he was “uncomfortable” at the prospect of indefinite detention on Nauru.
    “Why would they want to keep them there for years on end?” he asked. “We processed offshore but there was no deliberate attempt to slow the process down.
    “I can’t see why it would take years on end.
    Why don’t politicians of all colours just tell us the bleeding obvious, this agreement just reached between the major parties is the same as the Howard plan with a small twist Manus island.
    So lets be honest, that’s what it is, so get used to it people!

  110. Sometime between now and the election the Coalition will need to dump its plan to stop the NBN rollout and replace it with a fibre to the node network.

    To implement that policy the new Communications Minister, presumably Malcolm Turnbull, would have to negotiate a new deal with Telstra to buy or lease its copper wires.

    Imagine trying to negotiate that deal having made an unbreakable election promise that you would.

    Turnbull and his public service negotiators would be greeted by the frightening sight of broad, happy smiles on the other side of the table, as David Thodey and Team Telstra gleefully prepared to screw them. An expensive, drawn out debacle would ensue……….

  111. Turnbull and his public service negotiators would be greeted by the frightening sight of broad, happy smiles on the other side of the table, as David Thodey and Team Telstra gleefully prepared to screw them. An expensive, drawn out debacle would ensue.

    Replacing the NBN with a FTTN network would mean tearing up the existing $11 billion deal between NBN Co and Telstra, under which Telstra is paid to migrate customers from its copper to the NBN, and replacing it with a new one in which Telstra rents or sells its copper to the government, to get the broadband signals from the nodes to the premises.

    Remember that one of the key reasons the government decided on a fibre to the premise network was advice that a FTTN would require compensation to Telstra of more than $20 billion. If the Coalition commits itself via an election promise to do that deal, then that would look like a bargain.

  112. I think we all need to read this article on IA it is excellent.

    From the article “When you read this little book you will clearly identify that what Lakoff is explaining is exactly what Abbott et al and his conservative shock jock followers are doing.

    And it’s frightening.

    For instance, recently on Twitter “tweets” appeared decrying Abbotts return to “Howards Golden Age”. Within minutes nearly every left wing Tweeter had, in condemning the slogan, repeated it — therefore subliminally reinforcing it. That’s exactly what they want you to do.”

  113. t’s worth recalling that if it wasn’t for the War on Terror there was no Howard Golden Age, at least politically. Howard came in with no agenda and then found out, as politicians do, that what seemed a tactic was actually unpleasant necessity, with his first term being such a flop that he ended with what was the lowest first term vote since Scullin (and still is). The first term was when the malaise in both parties took its most tangible form in the rise of One Nation from the state where the two-part system has historically been weakest……….

  114. But Cu he had one agenda, to get rid of the current account deficit. He had a big billboard on a truck decrying it and made it a promise it would be his highest priority.

    He then promptly went on to attain record after record current accounts deficits, thus ensuring the largest ever broken promise made by a political leader, and a broken promise that was perpetuated until he was kicked out.

  115. Abbott on ABC24 Recalling his education history. Sickening.

    Addressing the same body, as the PM did earlier.
    me me me

  116. ME. all he achieved in that one, was to see it grow massively. The trick was to move the perception of debt to the budget.

    I believe this government has achieved what they failed to do.

  117. Also leaving behind the greatest level of personal debt that this country this nation

    Have little idea of what he is talking about at this time. It does not appear about improving education. More about the defence of funding for private schools.

  118. Finished off with “I am a friend of independent schools. Repeated it.

    Rubbish the Gonski report and the ability to fund it.

    What was missing, is what he had in store for public schools. Did not hear him mention them. Maybe I missed that part.

  119. Harry Jenkins is tearing into Morrison and the Tampa incident. Said that they have manage to anger him.

    Worth a listen

  120. I believe Abbott is still smarting. Aim appears to be today, to prove the PM is a liar. As the PM said, very original.

  121. A growing list of Government MPs have today joined a chorus of complaint about Abbott’s dealings with the acting Speaker of the House of Representatives Anna Burke. Burke threw Abbott out of Question Time yesterday, after Abbott just couldn’t bring himself to obey her order to withdraw a sledge “unreservedly.”

    He deserved to be thrown out. His actions were petulant and disrespectful.

    Attorney-General Nicola Roxon has just given a press conference where she said: “He’s obviously uncomfortable with capable women.”

    Abbott has set himself a hard, maybe an impossible task to prove the PM is a liar.

    There is only one so called lie, that is not a lie, to base his attack on.

    In fact it is to the PM’s advantage. it is giving her the chance to say over and over and over, what she did say.

    Pyne will wish he did not up get up with his whine, which sounds near to tears.

  122. The deputy speaker has asked Swan not to provoke the Opposition too much. As they are so thin skinned and cannot cope with criticism, that is a impossibility.

  123. An update for Cafe regulars. Last month Abbott visited Australian Country choice meat processors doing one of his usual press stunts on the Carbon tax. At the time I emailed ACC and lodged a complaint, I also lodged a complaint with Coles as one on the sellers of ACC products. ACC there were exorbitant refrigerant costs as part of the carbon tax.
    I received replies from both ACC and Coles, which I posted.

    Well guess what today Australian Country Choice and Coles were mentioned in parliament. Combet said he had received information from Coles that in an ACC meat product costing $19.48 only 1cent of the cost was due to Carbon tax.

    so just maybe all that press stunt by Abbott was just BS or political mates trying to put one over the australian public.

    Actually I hope David Foote of Australian Country choice was listening to parliament because there is a lot of information for abbatoirs on reducing carbon emissions, while producing electricity and fertilizers. In other words if Foote stopped listening to Abbott he may learn.

  124. Miglo
    I bet I was one of many that complained and one of many who wrote it up on good sites like the Cafe. thanks to the Cafe an all the visitors

  125. Sue, I would like to second Migs’ statement of good work. If it hadn’t been for yourself taking the initiative then it’s doubtful that others would have known to follow through with additional complaints.

  126. “CRAIG Thomson has declared Fair Work Australia is living in “a dream land” if it attempts to prosecute him over union rorts after an audit report found the three-year investigative process into the former Labor MP was hampered by delays, part-time unqualified staff and a lack of resources.

    The former Health Services Union national secretary last night seized on the release of a KPMG audit of FWA, claiming the report discredited the workplace watchdog’s findings that he used about $500,000 in union money to pay for prostitutes, hotels and his election campaign.


    There is little chance that Thomson will be charged after the release KPMG report. This is because the evidence is now too unreliable and would be laughed out of court. I assume that is also true for those that already have been charged.

    The report also cleared the government of any interference. I am a cynic, it did not say if the Opposition had interfered.

    It was scathing of how the investigation was conducted. It confirmed in my book what Nasser and the FWA has said, it was not a forensic investigation. Therefore it is hard to say how any charges against anyone, could arise from it.

    Nasser is to appear before a senate committee today. This committee does not appear to be broadcasting the hearing.

    This is another false allegations of the Opposition that has been proven to have no legs.

    I would love to see the PM come out today and say there is no way she is going to apologise for doing the right thing for the nation. Her answer went closed ti this yesterday.

    The PM has no need to apoligise for having the guts to go ahead with what needs to be done. The longer it is put off, the more expensive the solution will be.

    The only question that counts, is does it address the problem and is it the cheapest and most efficient way to go.

    The Opposition agrees there is a problem. They have the same target, which they put before the people. The difference is that their way is more expensive, putting the cost on the taxpayer, not the emitters. It is more inefficient and unlikely to succeed.

    it is also based on much technology that is far from proven.
    In other words, it is an expensive waste of money, that will bring little results. It is a nothing but a pie in the sky, like most of what the Opposition promises.

  127. They’re out to get PM, says her ex union lover

    Mr Wilson – for now – is unwilling to discuss the matter. Asked whether he was concerned the allegations would damage the Prime Minister, he said: “It is no good me speculating on that.”

    Now aged in his mid-50s, Mr Wilson once cut a dashing figure and was touted as a future Labor leader. But yesterday he scoffed at the idea: “That was 20 years ago. I don’t look back on it.”

    But he savaged the internet bloggers and others who he claimed were “frothing at the mouth like rabid dogs”.

    “The reason why I don’t want to say anything is there are some people – some people in the media – nothing I say is going to stop these people,” he said.

    What is this all about. A lot of waffle. is the headline necessary. How long do they intend to flog a dead horse, one that has been dead for over a decade.

    I believe the PM is being punished for daring to challenge reporters, journalists, and interviewers

    It appears they are now beyond reproach and one dare not question where they are coming from, and the unauthenticity of their questions.

    Reading responses over the web, it seems to be evenly divided between those saying the PM has no right to do this, and others saying go for it PM.

    I am in the latter camp.

  128. A copy and paste from the interview link.

    PG: Right. There is another fellow called Ralph Blewitt. Has he at all material times been Western Australian-based?

    JG: Yes, he has. Bruce was acting secretary of the Victorian branch of the AWU so his substantive position was as secretary of the Western Australian branch. At some point, and I must admit I don’t recall when, but some point past the transition to Victoria, he became permanently appointed as Victorian secretary of the AWU. Under the AWU’s rules it’s not possible to hold two elected positions, so Ralph became the Western Australian secretary of the AWU so, at Bruce’s behest if you like, he filled . . .

    (Half a page redacted.)

    It’s, it’s common practice, indeed every union has what it refers to as a re-election fund, slush fund, whatever, which is the funds that the leadership team, into which the leadership team puts money so that they can finance their next election campaign. It is not proper to use union resources for election campaigns so you need to finance them yourself. Some of them, you know, they can cost $10,000, $20,000 — they’re not cheap. So the usual mechanism people use to amass that amount of money is that they require the officials who ran on their ticket to enter payroll deduction schemes where money each week or fortnight goes from their pay into a bank account which is used for re-election purposes from time to time. They also have different fundraisers, dinners and raffles and so on to amass the necessary amount of money to mount their re-election campaign.

    (Several lines redacted.)

    The thinking behind the forming of incorporated associations is that it had been our experience that if you did it in a less formal way, you just had someone, say Fred Bloggs, say, oh look, I’ll just open a bank account and everybody can put the money into there, the problem developed that when the leadership team fractured, as relatively commonly happens, you got into a very difficult dispute about who was the owner of the monies in the bank account, so it was better to have an incorporated association, a legal entity, into which people could participate as members, that was the holder of the account.

    (Two and a half pages redacted.)

    Gillard’s application to register the incorporation was at best, misleading.

  129. Oh so now your selectively posting just those bits that you think will make Gillard look bad but leave out the bits where the interview actually shows she was being open and honest and in no way misleading.

  130. I’m glad you posted the link as it’s as Slater and Gordon has said about Gillard.

    Also remember these personal documents are being released because Gillard has given permission for Slater and Gordon to release them. Not he act of someone who has something to hide.

  131. If some have concern about refugees…

    AUSTRALIA is facing a flood of economic refugees. But the big numbers aren’t from the north, they are from the across the Tasman where Statistics New Zealand yesterday announced the biggest exodus to Australia on record.

    An extraordinary 53,900 New Zealanders moved to Australia in the year to July – around the entire population of New Plymouth, New Zealand’s 11th biggest city.

    The number dwarfs the 9607 asylum seekers who arrived in Australian waters by boat.

    The record emigration of 53,900 is a dramatic increase from the same period a year before when 46,450 New Zealanders moved to Australia – itself a record at the time.

    “These are economic refugees,” New Zealand Council of Trade Unions secretary Peter Conway told The Age.

    New Zealand’s unemployment rate is 6.8 per cent, little changed since the economic crisis. Australia’s is 5.2 per cent, down on the GFC peak of 5.9 per cent. “New Zealand was hit much harder than Australia,” Mr Conway said. “We didn’t have the big boost in government spending you had that pushed unemployment back down. Before the crisis our unemployment rate was briefly the best in the OECD. It is now mid-range, much worse than yours.”

    New Zealand wages are around 20 per cent lower than Australia’s when measured in terms of purchasing power.

  132. The oo are twisting this as much as they can, giving helpless stooges the wrong impression of what is being said

    Not content with manipulating parts of quotes to make new quotes (see here), they are now totally misrepresenting the transcript they are touting as a smoking gun. The inference they make at the start is NOT what I want from a media. If the facts of the case can not make a case, then manipulation of quotes is what you do.

    It really is like watching the Titanic sink, except, in this case, the media were warned of the iceberg, and appear to have directed their ship directly at it

    For some context

  133. There is also a lot of crap about McClelland apparently bringing this up in Parliament? As far as I can recall, all he mentioned was that he and Julia both worked as Lawyers for unions. Did he specifically mention this incident? If not, why do they (media and libs) keep repeating this assertion?

  134. LAURA TINGLE Political editor
    The Coalition plans to “outsource” administration of a vast swath of federal policy – including health and education – to state government bureaucracies, potentially saving billions of dollars.
    Federal Coalition finance and deregulation spokesman Andrew Robb said the opposition was looking to use its planned handover of administration of environmental laws to the states as a model for other areas, both to reduce red tape and to cut thousands of federal public servants from the payroll.
    The federal government would not abandon its own policies under the plan, Mr Robb told The Australian Financial Review, but states would act as agents for the commonwealth in administering federal policies.
    Mr Robb said much of the bureaucracy that had grown up in recent years was designed to do no more than “leave a paper trail, to cover backsides”.
    The Coalition was instead proposing small hit squads in different policy and industry areas to ensure standards set down by federal government policy were being met.

  135. Robb forgets to mention the little detail of where the States are going to get the money from to increase their public services to handle the increased administration being put on them, and we only need look at Newman to see that they won’t entertain increasing the public service, rather they will slash it.

    One thing at least is this is the only thing that’s not a throw back to the Howard era as he usurped States powers and increased the Commonwealth government to take on what were State’s responsibilities.

    Good to see Abbott is admitting to a Howard government stuff up.

  136. ME, what they have left out is giving the states back their personal taxation powers, they gave away on a temporary basis during the second war.

    The Federal government would not need to have any say.. They would not have to oversee the spending. The blame game would cease.

    The states would be given back the areas of responsibly they were given by the founding fathers.

    The states then would be responsible for all the money they spend, and how they raise it.

    The Federal government would be responsible for national security and little more

    It does not mean that we would pay more taxes. I believe the opposite would be true.

    Yes, it is time to take a look at the Constitution.. Changes made by stealth, has in my opinion made it unworkable.

    I have not heard anyone raised Constitutional concerns since Whitlam.

    For the Federal government to hand out money to the states, telling them how to carry out their responsibilities does not make sense to me.

    The patch work of charges, fees leviers and taxation is in my humble belief, stupid.


  137. On more than one occasion, I have heard the FWA described as the union watchdog. One did go onto say industrial watchdog.

    It is there to oversee employers as well

    This is ABC 24 I am talking about. They have been using the phrase all day.

  138. Costello’s AWB scandal
    “No one informed me of any suspicion of wrongdoing by Reserve Bank companies during my time as treasurer
    IN SEPTEMBER 2002, together with the governor of Mexico’s central bank, I launched the 20 peso note at Banco de Mexico in Mexico City

    a high-technology product that is more durable than paper and therefore more cost-effective for those countries that use it. In meetings with central bankers around the world, I would frequently recommend it.

    It is now alleged that some of the contracts obtained by the polymer company – Securency International – might have involved the payment of irregular commissions. I have no knowledge of the facts behind such claims. Certainly the RBA reported no suspicion of wrongdoing to me in my period as treasurer up to November 2007.

    Read more:

    Funny, Costello even mentions the AWB scandal and the fact that even though Kevin Rudd pushed for an inquiry and that the coalition set up a royal commission, there was no no evidence of Howard Ministers guilt. Sounds like a guilty mind to me.

  139. Mo, this is what I posted on Wixxy’s piece:

    Hi Wixxy, as someone who is experienced in drafting Ministerial replies I can sadly assure you that you will not receive answers to the questions rightly asked in your letter. You’ll be fobbed off with things like ‘for legal reasons we are unable to answer your questions’ or ‘because of current investigations we cannot comment’ blah blah blah.

    The sad part is that your letter may not even reach Brandis or Abetz as they’ll have staff to handle this for them

    But it was still a good letter.

  140. The wife of a close friend is getting many birthday wishes on her Facebook page in her native Chilean language.

    I was able to translate them as this option is available under each message.

    One message said:

    Feliz cumpleaños que los pases super … muchos cariñosssssssss

    When translated came out as:

    Happy birthday to passes them super… many carinosssssssss

    I clearly shouldn’t have bothered. 😦

  141. But the dramatic lift suggests Labor would only lose its most marginal seat, Moreton, if the result was replicated evenly across the state.

    The poll also suggested voters were not as concerned as they once were about the Government’s climate change laws. More than half of those polled said the carbon tax had little or no impact on their household budget.

    But the poll also contained a warning for Julia Gillard over her deal on offshore processing of asylum seekers, with about half those polled believing it was too little, too late. The poll surveyed 800 Queensland voters on Wednesday and Thursday. Other national polls recorded smaller bounces in Labor’s primary vote.

    “Labor have recovered substantially in Queensland,” Galaxy chief David Briggs said. “They’ve gone from a hopeless position to start to look competitive again.”

    Labor’s positive news came at the end of a week in which the Prime Minister hit back at what she described as a sexist smear campaign……………

  142. 13.17.95 v 12.13.85 last week
    16.8.104 v 14.9.93 this week

    Adelaide LOVES Brisbane
    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  143. One of Julia Gillard’s proudest claims is that the federal tax burden is much lower under Labor than it was when John Howard and Peter Costello were in charge. It’s true. But it’s not anything to boast about – the tax base has sprung a leak. Several leaks.
    In the mid-noughties, federal tax receipts hit a record 24.2 per cent of gross domestic product. This year they’re expected to equal only 22.1 per cent, despite the introduction of the carbon tax and the mining tax.
    The fact is the global financial crisis hit tax revenue hard and it’s yet to fully recover. The budget’s forward estimates see it returning only to 22.9 per cent by 2015-16.
    If you don’t enjoy paying tax you may be tempted to regard all this as good news, but as both the present Treasury secretary, Dr Martin Parkinson, and his predecessor Dr Ken Henry have warned in the past week or so, it’s quite worrying.
    It means the budget won’t ”whirr back into surplus” the way it did after the recessions of the early 1980s and early ’90s. It will be a continuing struggle to keep the budget in surplus, meaning it will take a long time to pay off the net public debt incurred in the recession everyone says we didn’t have.
    Remember the happy debate about whether we should build up a sovereign wealth fund? Forget it – we just won’t have the brass.
    It means we’ll be struggling to keep up with the growth in existing spending programs – particularly health – with little scope to pay for the disability insurance scheme, the Gonski report’s proposals for education, aged-care spending and any other improvements we’d like to see, without dropping some big programs or introducing new taxes.
    And as Henry reminded us this week, if the population keeps growing at the rate we expect, we’ll need to spend a lot expanding the public infrastructure to accommodate them. Only some of that can be borrowed.
    So what exactly is the problem with the tax base? Why has it never been the same since the global financial crisis?
    The biggest problem is with company tax collections. For many years they averaged about 3 per cent of GDP, but in the long boom that preceded the crisis, they grew to an unprecedented 5.3 per cent. Last year they were 4 per cent.
    Much of the trouble is the collapse of receipts from capital gains tax. The long boom of rising share and property prices resulted in many individuals, companies and pension funds building up capital gains, which became realised and taxable when the assets were sold. Capital gain tax receipts got to as much as about 1.5 per cent of GDP, most of which was paid by companies.
    The financial crisis saw big falls in the sharemarket, wiping out unrealised gains and, in other cases, creating realised and unrealised losses. Share prices on the Australian stock exchange haven’t yet recovered to their peak before the crisis, and it’s hard to see another boom starting any time soon. Property prices are less relevant – capital gains on owner-occupied homes aren’t subject to tax – but they haven’t been going anywhere either.
    At present, gains tax is raising only about 0.5 per cent of GDP……

    Read more:

  144. ……..Would you lump them in with those misogynists and nutjobs we’ve heard so much about lately? Why is it OK to make the Federal Opposition and the Federal Parliamentary Press Gallery put up or shut up, but these guys can come out with anything as and when they feel like it?
    With an entire ecosystem of anti-Gillard activists, dedicated promoters of the Wilson scandal like Nowicki and Blewitt, a split and bitter Labor caucus, and the anti-Gillard agenda of The Australian, this affair is not going to fade away.
    If there are no issues of substance to be raised, why shouldn’t it fade away? If it does not fade away, it is an indictment of pretty much the entire Australian media. We saw how it pissed away its credibility over Howard-Costello, Rudd-Gillard, Thomson-Jackson and Ashby-Slipper. You’d think these guys would quit while they’re behind, but you can’t do fearless foot-in-door journalism when your foot is in your mouth and the door is closed.
    Indeed, Gillard has now turbocharged this affair. She has elevated it to a legitimate subject of prime ministerial scrutiny………….

  145. I know the Liberals did not stand. Still not a bad result.

    Labor’s Ron Hoenig looks likely to win the Sydney seat of Heffron with a third of votes counted in the New South Wales by-election.

    With 33 per cent of votes counted, Mr Hoenig has received 60.9 per cent of the vote.

    Mr Hoenig, the mayor of Botany and a senior lawyer with Legal Aid, had no competition from the Liberal Party which chose not to field a candidate.

  146. Abbott admits carbon tax not a catastrophe

    So does this make Abbott a liar.

    ” Tony Abbott has admitted the introduction of a price on carbon had not immediately been ”catastrophic”.
    After spending months warning the carbon tax would be a ”wrecking ball” to the economy, the federal Opposition Leader said the effects would take longer to emerge.”

    “Senior government minister Greg Combet accused Mr Abbott of backing away ”from 18 months of predictions that a carbon price would bring doom and gloom to the Australian economy”. He said Mr Abbott’s ”deceit just goes up and up and up”.

    Read more:

    Read more:

  147. CLP wins NT with a considerable swing away from Labor in the bush. The Aboriginal vote looks like having decided the election for the CLP.

    Hockey is bragging this shows the stereotype of the Libs being bad for Aboriginals is wrong. I don’t believe he’s correct but after 11 years Labor after promising much delivered little and even went backwards in some areas.

    To the think the CLP will be better is to hold a false hope and they, like people have in other states, will soon find out that as they as they always have been, are full of grand promises but very short on delivery and long on breaking them.

    I replied to Hockey that the CLP will fail them as they have in the past and as Labor did and the CLP will be out in a term or two.

    Another case of a very long term Labor State/Territory government being too long in the tooth.

  148. Möbius, many Aborigines in remote areas don’t even vote. Hockey’s just looking for things to brag about.

  149. Maybe the Indigenous community at long last have woken up to the fact they do have political power.

    The shame is that both major parties have served them poor.

    The Gillard government, I believe is doing good s things, that are being overshadowed by not dismantling the intervention.

    Did I not hear that one of the promises of the winners was to leglistate for mandatory rehabilitation of drunks. (My words)

    That is they will be locked up until they are rehabilitated.

    One this will not work. The best they will achieve is to dry them out and sober them up.

    It will be extremely expensive

    It will affect the Indigenous community the most.

    I wonder how much the earlier cattle shemozzle with Indonesia has to play. The truth is that this was caused by the body they paid to protect the trade, not the government. That is were there anger should be aimed.

    I suspect when you look at the swings in many Darwin seats to Labor, the Cando warnings might have been getting through.

  150. Federal implications:

    • Coming after the electoral tsunamis which swept all before them in New South Wales and Queensland, Labor can take heart at having turned in a creditable result in Darwin. Since Darwin ranks second only to Canberra for concentration of public servants, it’s very easy to believe that Labor enjoyed a dividend from the Campbell Newman’s job-slashing in Queensland, which both Labor and Unions NT went to great lengths to emphasise in their campaign advertising. Labor will be further encouraged that this might prove of advantage to them federally.

    • The Darwin results give Labor reason to hope they might be able to recover Solomon, where they were narrowly defeated in 2010. As Adam Carr notes in comments, Labor now has a locally well-regarded former Chief Minister looking for a new line of work, and whose resume looks pretty well suited for the position of federal election candidate.

    • On the other hand, Labor’s member for Lingiari, Warren Snowdon, has cause to feel very nervous. The 2010 election saw his margin slashed from 11.2% to 3.7% which, as previously noted, was driven by huge swings in remote areas that were counter-balanced by a 8.4% swing in his favour in Alice Springs. The territory election result suggests the former trend might not yet have run its course.

    • The result will presumably focus attention on the federal government’s handling of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander affairs and in particular the responsible minister, Jenny Macklin.

  151. ON the NT election, I see commentary that the amalgamation of 63 councils into 8 super councils, had a big effect withthe voting in the country electorates, As the argument is that country communities felt they were disenfranchised, has there been a promise by the incoming CLP party to revert back to more local government?

  152. Sunday, 26 August 2012 20:41 by Ad astra
    Early every morning, the Abbott machine swings into action. Fresh batteries are placed in Abbott man, he is briefed with the day’s messages, slogans for the day are identified, and he is sent on his way, a Duracell Bunny thumping his tub, to friendly TV stations for a puff piece encounter with a morning host who asks soft questions that serve as a vehicle for him to regurgitate the day’s messages and repeat his well worn slogans. It doesn’t matter what the issues are, or what questions he is asked, his answers are the ones for which he has been pre-programmed, and out they come on cue, with some tub thumping slogans as an encore.

    He has done this successfully for years because seldom has an interviewer had the courage or perspicacity to challenge his answers, or divert him from his pre-ordained script. It has all been so easy. All that has now changed.

    There have been gathering doubts about Abbott man’s legitimacy, about his authenticity, about his grasp of the complexities of today’s politics, about his capacity to cope with anything that is thrown at him, about his ability to answer the awkward or embarrassing question. The doubts have been obvious in recent press articles, documented in Journalists awake! You know Tony Abbott is conning you ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  153. ………………………………….Even Peter van Onselen in The Sunday Telegraph said in: Is Tony a one-trick pony? “In a week where media attention followed the saga of the Prime Minister’s legal dealings 17 years ago, Tony Abbott has also come under pressure. His performance on the ABC’s 7.30 Report on Wednesday was not good by any measure, and the government stepped up its attacks on the opposition’s slippery accounting and overstated criticisms of the carbon tax in parliament. Even one of Abbott’s own frontbench colleagues told me: “The carbon tax attacks are starting to look a bit stale, don’t you think? Like he’s a one-trick pony perhaps.” There are growing internal voices calling on Abbott to broaden his appeal beyond what he plans to repeal if elected prime minister. So far the calls are falling on deaf ear……………………..

    ……………….Paul Howes made a cryptic comment: “When the Harbour Bridge was built, the Liberal Party didn’t even exist but, given the shrill knee-jerk reactions we see coming from the Liberals today about investment in new infrastructure projects such as the NBN, you could imagine a yesteryear version of Tony Abbott waxing lyrical about Labor’s waste in building a massively expensive bridge across the harbour when there’s a perfectly good ferry system in place.”…

  154. I just received this in an email from a friend>

    Whoever thought this out is nothing less

    than genius.

    The Muslims are not happy!
    They’re not happy in Gaza .
    They’re not happy in Egypt .
    They’re not happy in Libya .
    They’re not happy in Morocco .
    They’re not happy in Iran .
    They’re not happy in Iraq .
    They’re not happy in Yemen .
    They’re not happy in Afghanistan .
    They’re not happy in Pakistan .
    They’re not happy in Syria .
    They’re not happy in Lebanon .

    So, where are they happy?
    They’re happy in Australia .
    They’re happy in England .
    They’re happy in France .
    They’re happy in Italy .
    They’re happy in Germany .
    They’re happy in Sweden .
    They’re happy in the USA .
    They’re happy in Canada .
    They’re happy in Norway .
    They’re happy in every country that is not Muslim.

    And who do they blame?
    Not Islam.
    Not their leadership.
    Not themselves.
    They blame the Countries they are happy in!
    Excuse me, but… hello!!!!!!!
    How dumb can you get ?

    Should we go the Dutch Way ? ———-
    The Netherlands , where six per cent of the population is now Muslim, is scrapping multiculturalism:
    The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands .
    A new integration bill, which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16, reads:
    “The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people.
    In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role.
    With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.
    The letter continues:
    “A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens. It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands …
    The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants. For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language, and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants who ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law.
    The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner;
    “It is not the government’s job to integrate immigrants.” (How bloody true).

    The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress.
    More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering, Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.(Why wait 6 months?)

    Holland has done that whole liberal thing, and realised –
    maybe too late – that creating a nation of tribes will kill the nation itself.
    Muslim immigrants leave their countries of birth because of civil and political unrest CREATED BY THE VERY NATURE OF THEIR CULTURE.
    Countries like Holland and Australia have an established way of life that actually works, so why embrace the unworkable?

    If Muslims do not wish to accept another culture, the answer is simple;


    This gives a whole new meaning to the term; ‘Dutch Courage’

    There’s a whole lot of truth here!!!!
    Only 86% will send this on. Should be a 100%. What will you do?

  155. Pip, good to see you

    Yes, there is definitely a trend on towards improvement for Labor. Maybe it is like losing weigh, slow and steady is for the best.

  156. THE former chief justice, Anthony Mason, has broken his 37-year silence on his role in Australia’s greatest political crisis to reveal that he advised John Kerr he should warn Gough Whitlam of his intention to sack his government in 1975.
    Sir Anthony’s comprehensive statement on his private conversations with the then governor-general, obtained exclusively by the Herald, asserts that Kerr was consistently counselled by his close friend against deceiving Mr Whitlam, but that this advice was ignored.
    The statement reveals that at Kerr’s request, Sir Anthony drafted a letter sacking Mr Whitlam but the governor-general chose not to use it. It also reveals he expressed relief when Kerr confided his intention to sack Mr Whitlam two days before the dismissal on November 11.

    ut Sir Anthony insists his expression of relief ”was not, and should not have been understood as, encouragement to dismiss the prime minister as Sir John had already announced his decision to take that step”.
    Rather, he says, he was relieved because ”I thought that the crisis should be resolved by a general election to be held before the summer vacation and any further delay could lead to instability”.
    Sir Anthony’s statement represents the final piece in the dismissal jigsaw and, rather than vindicate Kerr’s actions, the statement makes plain that the governor-general deceived Mr Whitlam against the explicit advice of his closest confidant.

    Former Prime Minister Gough Whitlam. Photo: Fairfax Archives
    Sir Anthony’s decision to detail his role in a 3500-word statement – after steadfastly refusing for decades to comment – follows the discovery by the author Jenny Hocking of new documents written by Kerr. Hocking’s biography, Gough Whitlam: His Time, will be released this week.

    Worthwhile video interview. Could not copy link.

    Read more:

  157. Back to the future ?with a lying rodent “unable” to keep yet another “non core promise” ❓

    about time for a Royal Commission or similar, into non-existent WMD’s, $300m bribes, and an illegal WAR!! 👿

  158. A good Australian story tonight on AG Nicola Roxon and the plain packaging battle

    there was a good clip from a morning breakfast show, with Gillard saying to Abbott
    “if you would just support the passage of the legislation?” And Abbott replying “well if it would just shut you up, then yes”

    What great footage, of the Abbott way of talking to powerful Labor women. And of course they also showed the infamous exchange of Abbott and Roxon at the press gallery election debate 2007.

  159. Sue, good story.

    Once again, the Opposition for what they are. They could not bring themselves to show some grace. Mr. Brandis only comment was to condemned Ms. Roxon behaviour outside the court. Mr. Abbott refuse to be interviewed. This, when the whole world was giving her credit.

  160. Health Services Union (HSU) acting national president Chris Brown is taking steps to remove national secretary Kathy Jackson from her position.

    Mr Brown announced on Monday he would be charging Ms Jackson under the union’s registered rules.

    He said the 10 charges would cover ‘gross misconduct, gross neglect of duty and substantial breach of the rules and be seeking her removal from office’.

    On Friday, Ms Jackson said she would not be resigning, despite moves to force her out.

    Over the past few months, senior officials in the troubled union have repeatedly suggested she voluntarily step down.

    Ms Jackson.

  161. Just watched that ulman crap on 7.30 CU. Loved the way he highlighted that he had asked the ‘hard’ questions of jackson. Also liked the way he cut out his acceptance of her lame non-answer as a suitable explanation.

    Also love the way he finishes of with WTTE “this saga has a long way to go”, even though, 3 months ago, he had pretty much cleared jackson of everything.

    The real question is, is ulman the most lightweight political commentator in the long history of lightweight political commentators?

    Put my vote down as yes 😉

  162. Sue, brandis has some hide, saying this in regards to Nicola Roxon and the tobacco litigation

    “It seems to me that it ought not to be the top of mind issue for a newly instated Attorney-General.”

    Na george, I guess you reckpon that at the top of any Attorney Generals mind should be making phone calls to Chiefs of police to get them to investigate somebody they haven’t previously had cause to investigate. FFS

    Personally, I would say that anyone who has been detrimentally affected by the hazards of smoking would be quite content to see this at the front of her mind. And I would suspect that those numbers would run into the hundreds of thousands.

    Around the world, other Governments and agencies are lauding Nicola’s actions, and lining up to mimic them, but back here, our losers of the last election just sulk.

  163. Ms. Jackson has just been on ABC 24. She is the only one in the HSU, and the political, movement that is honest. Everyone is out to get her. Would not use HSU lawyers, Slater and Gordon.

    She and Abbott are from the same pod. Both believe that anything goes, and that they are above the laws that apply to everyone else.

  164. Maybe it is time to stop saying WorkChoices. It is time to say AWA’s and Unfair dismissals

    That is what it is about. They want the right to dismiss at will and draw up individual contacts that undermine awards.

    We should stick to the KISS. That is keep it simple stupid.

    The truth is, they do not have to get rid of FWA to do this.

    Ms. Gillard left much, too much in my opinion of WorkChoices in place. (Dispute now raking place in Victoria is because of Ms. Gillard s law)


    Kathy Jackson has been given two weeks to show cause why she should not be sacked by the union’s executive.

    Ms Jackson has rejected allegations of “gross misconduct, gross neglect of duty and breaching union rules”.

    The move against Ms Jackson is being led by the union’s acting president Chris Brown.

    Mr Brown is laying 10 charges under the rules of the HSU. He says they will firstly be investigated by the union’s ombudsman, and then decided by the HSU’s national executive.

  166. Kathy Jackson has been given two weeks to show cause why she should not be sacked by the union’s executive.

    Wonder if she will be using uhlman as one of her character references?

  167. Maybe Reith. Maybe Brandis. Maybe Abetz. They all talk so glowing of her.

    Then their is the greatest of all, our illustrious Opposition Leader.

    The big question will be, who are her legal team and who will pay.

    I suspect that Lawler must be running out of fellow legal identities that are friends.

  168. As Tim Dunlop says, a great way to present a story using the latest online media.

    Combet ditches carbon floor price in deal with Europe

    No surprise Abbott Liar is out and about spruiking this as another failure for the government and he will ditch the carbon price.

    When is he going to tell the people about his own carbon price that was already higher but will now be much higher than this governments.

  169. ME, liked this part at the beginning of Rudd’s speech, sums up conservative politics.

    “The essential narrative of Australian politics has remained much the same for more than a century: Labor in government the party of progressive economic, social and environmental reform, and of Australia’s place in the region and the world.

    The conservatives in government, invariably the absence of a coherent policy program of their own, instead committed purely to the demolition of Labor’s reform program.

    We in government have sought to build the house that we call the Australian nation.
    The conservatives’ energies instead dedicated to tearing the house down.
    Our ambition in office to prepare Australia for its future.

    Their ambition in office…. well, just to be in office.

    A bit like a bad re-run of Peter Sellers’ “Being There”.

    Because this has remained the central organising principle for the conservative political project for much of the century: being in office essentially for the purpose of being in office.

    And to this end, one of the great constants of conservative politics has remained their utter ruthlessness in obtaining and sustaining political power.”

  170. Telling though isn’t it paul that there’s hardly a Liberal, especially Liberal leaders, who can make grand and moving speeches.

    I can’t find it at the moment but if you want to hear one of the very best speeches ever made in parliament chase up Simon Crean’s inaugural speech as opposition leader.

    Howard sat through the speech with his back to Crean and that made the news at the time. It was the first time a Party leader had turned their back on an inaugural speech of another Party leader. The absolute height of atrocious behaviour, but Howard to a tee.

  171. Sophie Mirabella is to have a knee operation and may need a pair when parliament resumes. The coalition expect the government to do the right thing.

    I hope Craig Thomson offers to be the pair. The coalition couldn’t run from an offer like that. Afterall the coalition only expected Craig Thomson to produce a medical certificate from a specialist when he was ill.

    Other than that Sophie may have a spare walking frame in one of her back sheds or she could use a couple of broomsticks.

  172. …………The book details what the author described as the deception employed by former governor-general Sir John Kerr in his dismissal of Mr Whitlam in 1975.

    Mr Rudd said the behaviour of the conservative parties during the constitutional crisis that led to the dismissal was typical of their “utter ruthlessness” in obtaining and sustaining political power for its own sake.

    The conservative parties had always been intent on de-legitimising and destroying reformist Labor governments, without any coherent policies of their own, he said.

    Mr Abbott was no different, leading the conservative parties in campaigns that were “attempted demolition derbies”.

    Voters were still scratching their heads over his election platform, he said.

    “What was it?” Mr Rudd asked. “Does anyone remember? I can’t, and I follow these things.”

  173. He served in two world wars but only white soldiers got land: a son’s $5m bill for injustice
    BY: STUART RINTOUL From: The Australian August 29, 2012 12:00AM

    ON September 25, 1945, Herbert Stahle Lovett, having served in two world wars, wrote to the secretary of the Aborigines Protection Board to inquire about the possibility of being allocated a soldier settlement block at Lake Condah.

    “Dear Sir, I am writing to see if you could give me any information regarding the cutting up of Lake Condah Mission Station into blocks for Aboriginal servicemen of this war,” he wrote. “If same was being done I would like to make application for a block.”


    Maybe Migs can fill us in with this shocking stories. An Indigenous family that have had at least nineteen serving soldiers. There is even a building named after the family.

  174. Prime Minister Julia Gillard gave a wonderful speech last night to the Community and Public Sector Union National Leaders’ Conference. I thought it was a lovely statement of the important role of unions and also the work done by public servants to assist the Australian community. As an Australian Labor Party politician from the ACT, these are two areas that are important to me and I thought I’d share the Prime Minister’s words here.

    28 AUGUST 2011

    Yours is the model of a modern labour union.

    Committed to the oldest union principles.

    Sharing, sticking together, the strong in the workplace protecting the weak.

    Organising always, working with the employer when you can, fighting when you must.

    And committed to the future of unionism too.

    To responsible leadership which sees the future, understands where change is necessary, ensures change is delivered for the many, not the few.

    When people ask how should modern unions drive change in their members’ interests I say: look at the way the CPSU engages its members and delivers for them.

    And you do it in two distinct and vital ways.

    Your contribution to the cause of labour through the movement and the Party is enormous.

    Your contribution to the cause of Australia, in the Australian Public Service and your other workplaces, is indispensable.

    In the same way, here addressing you all, I do wear two hats.

    When I get along to dinner with the “tee dubs” or the “miscos” I can safely tell them to stand up for themselves and not to go easy on their boss.

    Here, I’m not quite so gung ho!

    But for all that, I know that here, I’m among friends: because of the values we share.

    The values I have always seen in the CPSU and your predecessors, in my life’s work in the labour movement – the values I recognise in all of you here tonight – the same values I see in the public servants I work with and rely on every day.

    A bright passion and a deep enthusiasm for the life of public service.

    That enthusiasm and passion in you is the same fire that drives me on, that drives everyone in my Government on, every day in office, to build a strong economy, to make a fair society.

    What you do matters to Australia and to every Australian.

    Ours is a remarkable nation. That didn’t happen by accident.

    Australians worked for it, you worked for it, our public sector worked for it.

    Of course some of our advantages are natural – natural wealth and location.

    But I see our greatest advantages as human ones.

    In world terms, we’re a top ten country on many measures.

    Openness to international ideas, public institutions that operate free from corruption, the list goes on.

    And we’re a top two country on measures that are most important to us.

    Like political stability, social mobility, human development.

    We’ve worked for those things and we’ve done it our way.

    We don’t work exactly as others do.

    We’ve always seen the public good, the public interest, the public sector, in our own distinctively progressive and Australian way.

    Just one example: the way we regulate banks, very different than the US for instance.

    It works, we’ve got four of the ten ‘AA minus’ rated banks in the world here.

    And it works because of you.

    Those banks are regulated by public servants.

    The same is true of so many areas where our nation has achieved good things.

    No developed country emerged from the global financial crisis stronger.

    The political decision to take strong and immediate action was the vital beginning.

    But make no mistake, the best thing we did then was to get the best advice.

    The Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz called our stimulus packages:

    One of the most impressive economic policies I’ve seen.

    But he went on:

    Not only was it the right amount, it was extraordinarily well structured, with careful attention to what would stimulate the economy in the shorter run, the medium term and the long term …

    When I look around the world, it was, I think, probably the best-designed stimulus program in the world and you should be happy that in fact it worked in exactly the way it was designed to work.

    That was a Nobel Prize winner talking – and he was talking about you.

    That stimulus was designed and implemented by public servants.

    And the same is true across so much of Australian life.

    Who got the relief payments to the flood victims? A public servant.

    Who makes sure older Australians are cared for and safe in aged care homes? A public servant.

    Who keeps our planes flying and our airports safe? A public servant.

    Who helped Australians caught up in the earthquakes in New Zealand or Japan – who works to alleviate the suffering of the world’s poorest in the Pacific or Afghanistan? A public servant.

    For that matter, who shows a group of school children a Sidney Nolan painting of Ned Kelly?

    That person is a public servant too.

    And to put it mildly – none of those people is in it for the money.

    I know you make sacrifices, you move your families between cities, your forego higher private sector salaries.

    And perhaps the most demanding sacrifice of all – all the time you spend at work and away from those you love.

    You do it all for a reason.

    For that passion, for that enthusiasm, that we share.

    So I really do want to salute you for your life in public service.

    And like anything that’s important, the stakes are high, and sometimes the decisions are hard.

    That’s true of the decisions we make together, as public servants and ministers, true of the advice you give us, true of the work you do to implement our plans.

    That work is sometimes hard but we get through it together.

    That’s also true of the areas where we negotiate as employer and employees.

    Big decisions we work through, changing our workplace, improving how government works, and of course, balancing budgets.

    You’ll have discussed a lot of those issues while you’re here and I’m sure you’ve been frank.

    And it’s important that I say clearly, I believe the latest round of APS bargaining showed us that we need a clearer bargaining framework and that before the next round more pre-bargaining work should be done.

    And that I say, we will work with you to develop a more flexible and fact-based approach to lifting public sector productivity, through the Public Service Commission and the Strategic Centre for Leadership, Learning and Development.

    And to achieve increased commonality of terms and conditions for APS employees.

    I know you’ll keep pressing us in areas where we don’t agree and where you’re making a case for change.

    Whether that’s how the efficiency dividend works or how agencies fund pay rises or the balance between agency and central bargaining.

    We’ll keep talking about all of it and I know you’ll keep working for your members’ interests.

    With all that understood, I’m proud that the Australian Government is a good and fair employer of around 170 000 Australians.

    As a Labor Prime Minister, fairness at work is central to my task.

    What I see as I look around Australia today, is that this is at risk. Profoundly at risk.

    The decisions made by new State Liberal Governments in the past eighteen months have shown that dramatically.

    First, remember what State Liberals say before their elections.

    Barry O’Farrell: “we will need more public servants, not less”.

    Ted Baillieu: “absolutely no reduction in public servants”.

    Campbell Newman: “no forced redundancies”.

    Then, look at what they do after elections.

    In NSW the Liberal Premier has cut.

    Almost 250 police. Funding to 272 special needs schools.

    More than 400 hospital beds. 100 child protection workers.

    In Victoria the Liberal Premier has cut.

    $481 million from the education budget. $300 million from TAFE. $25 million from community health services.

    In Queensland the Liberal National Premier has cut.

    $400 million from roads. 30 beds from the Prince Charles Hospital in Chermside.

    $80 million from Metro North Health District. $22.8 million from the education budget. $2.5 million from services to protect vulnerable children.

    He’s even dismantled BreastScreen Queensland, a cut so brutal I honestly didn’t believe it when I first read the reports.

    The bottom line?

    10,000 public sector jobs in NSW gone.

    25,000 public sector jobs in Queensland – gone.

    That’s how the Liberals roll.

    Now, I would come here to warn you that Tony Abbott will do to the APS what the State Liberals are doing to their public services.

    Because first term conservative governments are like that.

    But amazingly, it’s actually worse than that.

    Last week the Coalition announced plans to gift core Federal responsibilities to the Liberal States.

    They won’t just copy the Premiers – they’ll actually hand you over to the Premiers.

    In their own words, “to cut thousands of federal public servants from the payroll”.

    Again, take their word for it, from Shadow Minister Robb: these plans are not “incremental” – they are “huge” – they are “more radical” than what happened when the Howard Government was elected in 1996.

    Now – think about those brutal cuts delivered by State Liberal Governments which promised “more public servants, not less”.

    And think about what they’re doing to the industrial conditions of the public servants who remain.

    What is going to happen if a Federal Liberal Government is elected which in Opposition already boasts of huge, radical cuts and from Opposition already promises thousands of public servants will go?

    The difference could not be more plain.

    Labor stands for jobs, the Liberals stand for cuts.

    And in the words of your own campaign – cuts hurt.

    I am just astonished by the total disrespect of conservatives for the public service, for expert advice.

    Andrew Robb, who wants to be Finance Minister, tells the Australian Financial Review that much of the bureaucracy does no more than “leave a paper trail, to cover backsides”.

    That the problem in the public service is “bad apples”.

    Campbell Newman, the Queensland Premier, is asked in Parliament why he’s cutting public service jobs and says that his job is to “get the poopa scoopa out every day of the week”.

    And that’s all of a piece with a populist politics that rejects expertise and independent advice, whether it’s from scientists, economists, lawyers, engineers, architects, pretty much anyone they don’t agree with.

    The public service doesn’t deserve that.

    Just like you don’t deserve another 1996.

    You don’t deserve it – the country can’t afford it.

    My vision in Government, my Labor vision, is very different.

    And the reality of how we’ve governed and worked with you is very different.

    The Australian Government and the Australian Public Service has worked together.

    And we’ve worked with the whole public sector.

    Many of you here tonight, Telstra, Australia Post, Medibank, the ABC, and of course the two Territory government services.

    You’ve all served the Australian public.

    To deliver better services, to engage better with citizens, to make government simpler and more efficient, to build your skills.

    And the Government has relied enormously on your advice and expertise to meet the big challenges to our nation’s wellbeing.

    To restore balance to Australian workplaces.

    To grow jobs and to build a strong economy.

    To set the nation on the path to a clean energy future.
    To get equal pay for caring workers.

    To build hard infrastructure for the future, like the NBN.

    To achieve hard policy reform for the future, like the MRRT.

    And we’ll only need you more for the work ahead.

    In our plans for school improvement.

    In our plans to care for our ageing generations.

    In our plans for a National Disability Insurance Scheme.

    There’s much more to do.

    I look forward to doing them together.

  175. Sorry it is so long. With the attacks we are seeing on workers rights, we need to remember that we fought hard for them. We need to remember they can be taken away just as easily.

    The battle is never over. The employer will never give up in their attempts of turning the clock back.

  176. Dear ‘fehowarth’

    Thank you for your email to me regarding my proposed penalty rates Bill. I appreciate your views on this issue.

    I would like to explain my motivation for introducing this Bill.

    In recent months I have spoken to a number of small businesses and, importantly, employees about hours being reduced and jobs lost because of changes to penalty rates.

    It is estimated penalty rates have already cost almost 3000 jobs in the hospitality industry. The recent Restaurant & Catering Australia Benchmarking Report also showed 18.2 per cent of businesses were closed on weekends due to penalty rates. More than two-thirds said they would cut the number of staff further if labour costs rose in the next 12 months.

    My Bill will only apply to small businesses – those with fewer than 20 full-time equivalent employees in the hospitality and retail industries. Under my Bill, employees will earn penalty rates when they work more than 10 hours in a day or 38 hours in a week.

    That way, employees will still be recognised for work they do above and beyond a usual week and small businesses will be able to stay open and keep employing staff for weekend shifts.

    My Bill has been referred to the Education, Employment and Workplace Relations Committees for an Inquiry.

    The purpose of a Committee Inquiry is to critically analyse ideas from all sides of the debate and I would welcome your input into this. You can find out more information about the Committee inquiry here:

    Even though both the Government and the Opposition have indicated they don’t support this proposal, I strongly believe this is an issue that needs to be publicly debated because of the thousands of jobs that have already been lost in small businesses.

    Thank you for taking the time to write to me on this issue.

    Yours sincerely,

    Nick Xenophon

  177. I got exactly the same reply from Xenophon, word for word.

    I replied pointing out the flaws and the fact it was the service industries, especially hospitality and restaurants, who were amongst the biggest abusers of WorkChoices in underpaying and not giving their staff entitlements.

    It was the revelation of the abuses by these specific industries that forced Howard through Hockey to bring in a Safety Net Howard originally said wasn’t needed.

    Xenophone wins this sector a gain in removing penalty rates and they will take a mile in either underhandedly or through lobbying to remove all other entitlements and slash wages in an already low wage industry.

  178. I think a few people should say the bleeding obvious to Senator X.

    A person wanting to open and operate a small business in the hospitality industry would, I suggest, undertake a bit of research.

    Location and rent
    Shop fitout including utility costs
    Customer traffic and profile, especially for trading hours
    Government rules, regulations and fees
    Staff requirements, number and wages
    Number of units required to sell to to turn profit.

    so why now is it that penalty rates are suddenly the problem?

  179. The hospitality industry is also renown for not completing apprenticeships such as young trainee chefs, for employing backpackers in exchange for accommodation and taking advantage of foreign students.

  180. Yes Min that’s an important point. The hospitality industry more than most is renowned for hiring youth workers on minimum youth wages and then sacking them just before they are entitled to go onto adult wages, replacing them with another worker on youth wages.

    Xenophon really needs to look closely at this industry before going into bat for them.

    And as in all things there will be many good businesses within hospitality, I’m sure the majority, but the more vocal offenders and their associations/lobbyists don’t do the whole industry any favours.

  181. Boat arrivals in Australia since 1976

    Facts and figures on boat people so the conservative spruikers are sure to ignore it.

    Boats arrivals were beginning to increase under Howard’s Pacific Solution, it’s why he spent a fortune in building the Christmas Island detention center. He knew what was coming.

  182. I seem to recall, that Howard had planned a bigger complex on Christmas Island, that Rudd downsized his plans. Sadly it was Howard that had this right.

  183. Xenophon really needs to look closely at this industry before going into bat for them.

    Unfortunately, Xenophon has up until now dedicated almost all of his energies into his anti-pokies campaign, which he is extremely knowledgeable in, and has done great work in. Now, it appears that he is moving into areas he has less knowledge about. That, or he is just far more conservative than he initially appeared to be.

    His proposed bill will remove a lot of safe-guards presently in place for workers (young ones especially). Having had some small exposure with some more unscrupulous small business owners and their treatment of their staff, and the difficulty the more upstanding ones have in maintaining a fair environment when they have to compete against this, removing these provisions will just make an already low paid career path even more unrewarding financially.

  184. “…and the difficulty the more upstanding ones have in maintaining a fair environment when they have to compete against this…”

    That is an important aspect of a failing inherent in WorkChoices that needs to be spotlighted at every opportunity Tom.

    WorkChoices forced scrupulous and decent employers to go down to the standard of the unscrupulous and unfair ones or they would go out of business. It happened in Nowra, when I posted on it in Dunlop’s old blog at the time.

    WorkChoices amongst its litany of inherent iniquities and inequities had the inbuilt wrongness of forcing workplace relations and business conduct to the lowest level of exploitation.

  185. Tom, that’s the entire point – safeguards are not needed for ethical employers, but to protect from unethical ones.

    From Cu’s link..

    It is estimated penalty rates have already cost almost 3000 jobs in the hospitality industry. The recent Restaurant & Catering Australia Benchmarking Report also showed 18.2 per cent of businesses were closed on weekends due to penalty rates. More than two-thirds said they would cut the number of staff further if labour costs rose in the next 12 months.

    It sounds as if a few restaurant owners have got into Xenophon’s ear, having a whinge that they’re having to close on weekends “because of” having to pay penalty rates. It couldn’t possibly be because these restaurant owners serve crappy expensive food and so the customers have stopped coming. Haven’t these owners heard of weekend surcharges.

    My Bill will only apply to small businesses – those with fewer than 20 full-time equivalent employees in the hospitality and retail industries. Under my Bill, employees will earn penalty rates when they work more than 10 hours in a day or 38 hours in a week.

    Which would be an encouragement for small businesses to employ less people so as to avoid the fewer than 20 rule.

  186. He hasn’t got his tax payer funded PR and makeup team around him anymore.

    The Howard people saw was a veneer with smoke and mirrors parading as credible policy. The real Howard underneath was a nasty piece of work, something some who had worked closely with him voiced.

    After Fraser’s defeat Howard hadn’t been banished to the darkest region of the back bench for no reason at all.

  187. A Canberra region caravan business has been fined a total $18,700 after dismissing a worker who took leave to care for his dying mother.

    Queanbeyan-based RFJCO, which operates a business trading as Jayco Canberra, was fined $14,300, while company directors Roy and John Lustri were each fined a further $2,200.

    RFJCO was also ordered by the Federal Magistrates Court to pay the employee $2,099 ………×1&width=100

  188. Wonder if Abbott will reverse this decision. He did fight so hard when he was minister.

    The abortion drug RU486 is now on the Therapeutic Goods Administration’s register, meaning it will be more widely available to Australian women.

    The drug, which has been available in Australia for six years, was previously only allowed to be imported and prescribed by a handful of GPs.

    But an application by reproductive health group Marie Stopes International was successful, meaning it will now be more widely available.

    The TGA says Marie Stopes International will be introducing the drug in a controlled way.

    It says only medical practitioners recognised by the group as having completed appropriate training will be able to prescribe the medicines.

    Another abortion drug, misoprostol, has also been placed on the register.

    Earlier this year, Australia recorded its first death related to RU486 when the TGA confirmed a woman who was administered the drug died in 2010.

    Little is known about the circumstances of her death or even where she died, but she had been treated at a Marie Stopes clinic.

    A statement from Marie Stopes International at the time confirmed that sepsis – an infection – caused the death.

    It said serious infection was a very rare, but known risk of the drug.

    RU486 is legally used in the United States, the United Kingdom, France and New Zeala………..

  189. A amazing thing happened yesterday. Labor has come up with a dental scheme, that the dentist support.

    The dentists also criticised the Abbott scheme, saying that it was expensive, poorly target and often used by people who were well able to look after themselves.

    It is not so much about spending more money, but targeting the money soent, better.

    All we get from the Opposition, is Pink Bats and Insulation. Well of the scheme turns out as well, we will be in luck.

    I am sick of the Opposition saying Labor does not deliver. Where does that come from. This PM appears to delivered everything she has set out to do.

    This morning I was listening to a interview with Lyndal Curtis. It was very positive when talking about the PM.

    What am,amazed me, throughout the long news item, the word “she” was continually used. Not once did I hear, PM. Ms. Gillard or even Julia. I suspect they do not realise that they do this. Not even a “her”

  190. Sky’s the limit for political gifts

    “Julie Bishop, Bronwyn Bishop and Andrew Robb have been taken on extensive trips in China by Huawei, a telecommunications company banned from tendering for work on the National Broadband Network because of security concerns about its links to China.”

    Now you tell me if there’s nothing wrong with this when Abbott has flagged he will sell the NBN?


    In what is believed to be an Australian first, a Hunter Valley Catholic priest has been charged with failing to report the alleged child sex offences of another priest.

    Toronto Catholic priest Tom Brennan, 74, has been charged with 14 offences.

    They include sexually assaulting a boy while he was a priest at Waratah in the 1980s as well as common assault and performing acts of indecency at the same church.

  192. Just watched Abbott talking about it being a black day for Australia. Re the five soldiers deaths.

    I do not mean this to reflect on the soldiers deaths.

    What Struck me, Abbott sounded as genuine as he was last week, with the referral of BHP’s plan.

    His body language and words were similar. Terrible day etc.

    Both announcement were confected.

  193. Cu, I would second your comment ABOUT TIME. For far too long the Catholic church has considered itself above the law, the theory being that ordained priests were answerable to god alone…at least their version of him.

  194. With due respect to the families of the soldiers, Abbott does not do sincere at all well. Hopefully, if he ever becomes PM he will leave the job of condolences to others.

  195. G’day Min, I just popped in to accept your offer of a WT … 😉

    We fly to the Land of Two Heads on Sunday … The Minister is worried I’ll embarrass one of us in Taswegia … 😛


    Five diggers gone yesterday and two wounded …

    … to see (never sense) what its really like, I suggest you watch Ross Kemp’s Return to Afghanistan and the Sandhurst doco both on at the moment! (One and ABC I think)

    A very sad day for all the ADF family … I really feel for any family that loses a member … it could have been us … and we have an 18 yo grandson considering the Army (family dinner tomorrow, so I’m sure it wil be discussed) … that would make great grandfather and mother, grandfather, uncles, son and grandsons served … the last four generations still alive …


    For our brothers in arms and their families … Lest We Forget … (no matter the politics) …

  196. Min, I can say that, as a very lapse catholic. That charge is big break through. Not too sure they will get away with it I suspect it will be challenged. At least is is a start. n There are many priests that would agree with this action.

  197. TB, and I raise a glass with ye..Lest we forget.

    I am certain that you and The Minister will have a great time on the Apple Isle, I know your love of history.

  198. Cu, having been brought up a Catholic due to Catholic cousins who used to drag me along to is indeed a substantial breakthrough.

  199. Min, he does sincere shocking.

    The PM seems to get the right balance. I feel that it does affect her.

    The PM does not like to enjoy funerals as Mr. Howard appeared to do,.

  200. Yes TB, I echo Mig’s sentiment. The death of a service person always affects me emotionally, and more so for an Australian one.
    I hope your grandson knows the reality TB.

    In my time, and indeed when I look back to the 18yo who joined the Navy in all ignorance, I have met so many who all of sudden being confronted with actually having to fight say, “I didn’t join to do this”.

    There are many reasons a young person joins the military, and yes there are the gung ho who do so to seek out action, but most don’t realise when they sign on the dotted line and swear duty to the Queen and country it means they can be called to war.

  201. Möbius, I know that when son joined the Navy it was all about the promises to obtain qualifications – these being almost impossible to obtain for a country boy in northern NSW. Therefore he studied at Wagga Wagga to become an aviation technician on the Sea Sprites, and we know what a stuff up that was and so ended up on HMAS Tobruk and at the Gulf.

  202. “The PM seems to get the right balance.”

    Don’t like that terminology in this context Cu. It makes it sound like Gillard is putting it on and there is nothing genuine in her reaction.

    Also I’m not 100% in agreement with the Abbott assessment. It and the assessment on Gillard in this instance are being made from a biased standpoint.

    Gillard can be staid in her delivery of emotional matters whereas Abbott can be wooden. Neither may mean or indicate their true feeling or honesty at the time.

  203. I hope your grandson knows the reality TB.

    That’s our concern too, Adrian, but between my son (12 1/2 years) and me, we can only do our best … I’ve never been in action (but some of the bloody training was real enough for me!) … my son served in E Timor (some nasty moments) and Bougainville … my Mum and Dad were both under fire in WWII … but “stories” can never be the sam …

    A sad “clink” to you all …

  204. A cautious welcome for dental reforms, but concerns remain about underlying systemic problems with health “system”

    At least the Gillard government is addressing these issues and putting funding into it, whether it costs a budget surplus or not, and that is neither here nor there in the overall scheme of Australia’s economy, except in the warped and disingenuous economics of the Right where surpluses have become the be all and end all of fiscal policy, even whilst the state falls apart around them and massive and unsustainable debt is levied onto the private sector.

  205. How Howard taxed the tripe out of the public to eliminate government debt

    And more proof of the surplus nonsense and the myth of Howard greatness.

    Abbott will be the same and more than likely worse. He has well over $70 billion in unfunded liabilities to find, not that he will keep to most of those promises. Probably already rehearsing his excuses for breaking them, but we’ve seen how well that crap goes down in Queensland. Look at Newman, multiply it by many fold and you have Abbott.

    Not only will Abbott not keep most of his promises, just as his State counterparts have failed to do, he will do the Howard trick of being high taxing by stealth.

  206. At least the Gillard government is addressing these issues and putting funding into it,

    They have actually abolished a scheme and replaced it with nothing.

    Plibersek has admitted Labor has no money to fund this scheme but will have to find more savings in the budget. That is they will have to cut something to fund this scheme.

    just more lies from Labor.

    And it does not start until July 2014. What happens in the meantime??

  207. It was abolished because Labor needs the money to balance the budget. Are you too stupid to see that???

    “Government statements that the Medicare Chronic Disease Dental Scheme was widely rorted are not supportable on the available data,” Professor Zoellner said……………………………When the minister says there are 1000 complaints of rorting, this must be seen in context of two million courses of care … This is evidence for high success, and not rorting,” he said.”

  208. I’m trying to understand your line of reasoning here Neil, in other words the double standards you always apply to Labor.

    The evidence pointed to only a small fraction of rorting in the BER, insulation and other schemes in relation to the size of the schemes, yet you always highlight these as being Labor government failures.

    Now you are using an article in The Australian that contends Howard’s scheme is not being rorted as the complaints are only a small percentage of the size of the scheme so this points to a high success.

    So by your current logic all Labor’s schemes have been highly successful and not the failures that for a long time now you have been saying they are.

  209. lol ME – good luck with that one 😆

    I remember Neil not believing something I linked to once just because he didn’t agree with what it said, but it was from a Liberal party source 😉

  210. Mobius, I do hope you are correct, that Abbott does NOT keep his policies.

    Yes, Neil, the PM did shake hands with Wilkie. Problem is what Wilkie wants is impossible to get passed.

    The PM has offered him and the people a solution that goes a part of the way.

    There is always another day.

    What is a fact, Wilkie will get nothing under Abbott. In fact it is likely whatever had been obtained, will be loss.

    I know that you are disappointed the PM is not a miracle worker, but no one, including her, have ever claimed that to be.

    When one is elected to form a government, there is always a Opposition. They also play a role in the process.

    As for Abbott’s dental scheme. It was badly targeted., was used by those who could afford their own treatment, and costing much more that intended. Ir did not and does not have support of any experts, including the dental industry.

    On comparison, the new scheme is the first that has support of dental leaders. The new scheme, is an extension of help given to teenagers. It is the beginning of a more comprehensive scheme. It is going to coast 4 billion, I believe over 7 years.

    Yes, if does not go far enough. It is what we can afford now.

    Neil, politics is still the art of the possible. Yes, it is necessary at times to change ones mind. The alternative is to drop schemes completely id they cannot be passed.

    This is not how politics works, whether majority ot minority governments.

    Even the marvellous Mr. Howard had to make changes to his promises to get things through. That is for all his time as PM, except for the period that he gained control of both houses. His efforts there led to his downfall.

    Yes, it is a wise and clever person, that is capable of finding a way around the brick wall, that most face in politics.

    Changing ones mind, is no lying. When it is impossible to achieve what you promised in full, it is a prudent thing to do.

    There is always alternatives to get what one wants.

    I do not see many crying for the demised of Abbott’s dental scheme, except for those, who can afford to pay themselves.

  211. Mo,

    I’m trying to understand your line of reasoning here Neil,

    not much hope of success there 😆

    firstly, to have any hope, you’ll have to remove your left eye, and then abandon reality, neither of which can be recommended. 👿

  212. I’m trying to understand your line of reasoning here Neil

    I am just stating the facts. The dental scheme was abolished because Labor needs the money to balance the budget.

    I would suspect that any major problems with the scheme could have been easily fixed.

  213. @Bacchus 9:51

    my favorite one came from when i linked to an article by a “reformed” denier, (while the “climategate” beatup was being run) relating why his stance had changed.

    poor Neil couldn’t get past the opening of the article, where the author briefly recapitulated his former stance (portions of which Neil (mis)quoted as supporting denial several times), while ignoring the thrust (and bulk) of the reasons the author gave for accepting reality. 😆

  214. Neil has this dental bone now and true to form will run and run with it, making it last for as long as he can whilst ignoring or giving short shrift to anything else that is raised, especially the failings of the Liberals.

    OK let’s play his game.

    The dental scheme was abolished because Labor needs the money to balance the budget.

    Did the government say that was the reason? If not who did and where did they get the information from and did they give the source?

  215. And why do they need to balance the budget?

    Because the Liberals, started with Howard, have now said that budget surpluses are the be all and end all of how good a government is, even when, as in NSW and Queensland, the pursuit of the false holy grail of a budget surplus is destroying their States and hundreds of thousands of lives.

    Neil’s number one attack point, and the one he keeps on about the most, no matter how much sound economic theory, sources and information you give him to the contrary, is budget deficits. But even here he applies a double standard in that;
    Labor deficit = Very bad, the end of all civilisation as we know it.
    Liberal deficit = Very good, the saviour of the human race.

  216. No the govt did not say that was the reason. But they are trying very hard to balance the budget. The Howard govt dental scheme has been scrapped and there is no money in the forward estimates for Labors new scheme. It makes sense that it was axed to help balance the budget. If this was the reason Labor would not admit to it but it is obviously my opinion.

    Ms Plibersek insisted the commitment was for new money, and “yes, we will have to find savings”.

    “We found over $30bn of savings in the last budget and we will have to find savings to pay for this scheme, just as we have had to find savings to pay for all our other investments,” Ms Plibersek said…………………….In addition, the axeing of the CDDS could not be counted as a budget saving because the scheme had not been factored into the budget since 2007-08, due to the government’s intentions to axe it, meaning the government had been finding the money to pay for it on a quarterly basis ever since.

  217. So you are only supposing it was the reason.

    In the meantime Plibersek is being open and upfront, unlike the opposition who now have to find over $70 billion in savings but used very shonky figures indeed to state they found $50 billion but it’s actually nowhere near that.

    Also the opposition’s savings are nearly all predicated on a Newman style slash and burn of the public service, to a much larger scale. We have seen how spectacular a failure for Newman that move has been. Done at a Federal level it will bring an already lean government, much leaner than under Howard, to its knees and have a negative effect on the economy all the while having Abbott plunging in the popularity stakes.

    For what Neil? This false economy of having to have budget surpluses?

    Howard has an awful lot to answer for his hand in propagating that Götterdämmerung, and history will damn him for it.

  218. Interesting, the word conspiracy comes to mind. It must annoy Abbott that he does not have such a amendable GG.

    …….ccording to Mason, their first meeting on the matter was in August 1975 when Kerr ‘mentioned that an occasion might arise for him to exercise the reserve powers, dismiss Mr Whitlam and commission (opposition leader) Malcolm Fraser to form a caretaker government for the purpose of securing supply and holding an election’.

    As the Senate didn’t vote to defer supply until October 15 and 16, this puts a much broader time frame on the affair than previously suspected.

    One of Kerr’s great worries was that Whitlam might get wind of his thinking and advise the queen to sack him.

    This led to, according to Kerr’s notes, a bizarre mid-September meeting with Prince Charles when they were in Port Moresby for Papua New Guinea’s independence celebrations……….

  219. The Opposition and their cohorts keep on about deficits for one reason only.

    It is hard to find fault wit a government that delivers the best economy in the western world. One the three rating agencies have given AAA ratings.

    So one is confined to the false suppositions that all surpluses are good, all deficits are bad.

  220. Neil, so the government is in trouble for trying to balance the budget.

    Neil, you need to to make up your mind, one way or the other.

  221. Did the government say that was the reason? If not who did and where did they get the information from and did they give the source?

    Neil did, ME. And you know he doesn’t have to provide evidence.

  222. Reith rewrites history to hide the shame of children overboard lie

    This will come as no surprise to most of us here. A Liberal rewriting history.

    I have asked this many times and don’t get a sensible answer. If the conservative side is good for all people in the nation being touted, and indeed tout themselves, as being honourable and trustworthy, then why do they go to such lengths to prevaricate, deceive, rewrite history and for negativity?

    Surely if they are such a great body as they and their blind followers keep telling us they are and to always vote for them to keep them into power in perpetuity, then they only need be open, positive and honest?

    That they go to such lengths to constantly lie and deceive says more about them and their followers than does anything else.

  223. Typical Barnaby bluster, talking about the “water rights” of Cubby station. It was okay for Cubby to deprive the Murray/Darling basin of water when it was QUEENSLANDER water, but now Cubby is being sold Barnaby cries “national interest”

    Bloody hypocrite
    “Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce says Cubbie Station is vital to Australian agriculture, and described the decision as “a disgrace”.

    “If the ownership of Australia’s biggest water licence, if the ownership in commercial terms of one of Australia’s biggest properties – the biggest farm in the Murray-Darling Basin, a property responsible for in excess of 10 per cent of our nation’s cotton crop – is not in our national interest, then the national interest is a farce, there is no national interest in agriculture,” he said.

  224. I just hope they charge the Chinese/Japanese consortium the full worth of the water. Cubby was being charged a pittance to damage the Murray-Darling.

    You now have to wonder.

    With the news of Gunns in financial strife (look it up) and now Cubby going under there must be a question as to why both these entities, who were extremely destructive to their immediate environments causing long term damage, were given so much Federal and State subsidies and tax breaks along with cheap power and other resources, and it’s the tax payers left to pay for the clean up after them whilst a small handful walk away much wealthier.

    This is the great flaw in Right Wing free market capitalism. It’s not in any way a free market and it’s always the public that must prop it up, bail it out and clean up afterwards whilst a small handful of very wealthy people walk away from it all much wealthier.

  225. I hate Gunns.

    They bought up all the available soldiers settlers farms on Kangaroo Island and turned them into pine plantations. The old soldiers who farmed the land would turn in their graves with horror.

    Not only that, but all the old Aboriginal camp sites will have been destroyed. They date back 20,000 years. The tools used on KI by the Kartan people were unique in Australia. Gone. All gone.

  226. They also poisoned huge areas to kill all the wildlife in whole scale slaughter so they could then go in and clear fell massive tracks of pristine old growth forest.

    Wherever there was Gunns left behind was moonscapes of devastated land and all the flora and fauna in it. And for the cheapest raw material of them all when there were much better value adding options available. Value adding by the way if it had been taken up as advised would have seen Gunns still viable and profitable to this day and large tracts of native forest still standing.

    But slow steady growth requiring considerable resources and setup doesn’t suit the grab quick wealth mindset of the Robber Barrons.

  227. i always thought that the Chinese had the reputation oft being wonderful gardeners, and I assume farmers. They waste nothing when it comes to producing food.We can go back through the history of the Chinese in this country, We seen then prosper as gardeners in many diverse climates. Maybe they will make Cubby bloom, while using less resources.

    As Miglo said, Gunns was not very good for the island he lived on.

  228. Barnaby is a hypocrite BUt Pyne is an out and out liar

    “Mr Pyne was reluctant to discuss Senator Joyce’s attack, claiming he hadn’t seen the comments.

    FRONTBENCHER Christopher Pyne has declared the federal opposition ”obviously” supports foreign investment after Treasurer Wayne Swan approved the sale of Australia’s largest cotton grower, Cubbie Station, to a Chinese-dominated consortium.

    Read more:

  229. We are now seeing a proposition that moved funding from that of private and public schools to funding the child.

    Now what could be wrong with that. It reminds me of the Liberal proposals of the past, that of a voucher system.

    Mr. Abbott and Mr. Pyne, are out ranting, without once again waiting to see what is in the proposals. Mr. Abbott has said there is nothing wrong with the present system, which in his words, is already unfair to private schools. They are the only ones that do not believe the system is broken and adds to inequity in education. They do not accept that there is any inequity.

    It appear that there will be a base funding, topped up by the needs of the child. It is said, parents incomes will be taken into consideration.

    Maybe the debate between government funding for private schools is now redundant. It is based on the right to every child to a education. Not the school they attend.

    There is much made about taking to, I believe 2020 to put in place. I take this to mean, that is how long it will take to transmission from one scheme to the other. Education is a big and complex exercise.

    The present system runs out at the end of 2013, around the time of the next election.

    Planning needs to begin now. Time is running out in this regard. The system will be gradually be put in place over several years.

    By the time that third election comes around, it will be up and going.

    All on ABC 24 seems to give the scheme thumbs up. What was also pointed out, new ways of teaching, is necessary, but they also said, it takes money.

    As Mr, Abbott and Pyne seem to be the only one that does not mean the present scheme is not broken, and breeds inequity. They appear to be alone in this belief.

    Of course some could not help themselves asking where the money is coming from.

    I feel that the PM has acknowledge this by extending the period, transferring from one scheme to another.

    On Insiders yesterday, it was pointed out there is still in our large welfare bill, ample opportunity for means testing. Labor has quietly been going down this path, but there is a long way yet to go. Also there are handouts in other areas that can be clawed back. It is just a matter of reversing Mr. Howard’s handouts to the upper and middle income earners, by further use of means testing.

    Another proposition was raised. that the Future fund should be used in investing in education. Improving education is a productivity matter and in the nations interest. Funding for it should be seen as an investment, not a cost.

    It is once again, a matter of priories. Improvement to education is essential, not a want or desire. It will return money spent on it many times. That is if it allow to be done properly.

    One should asked what is wrong with all children being funded equally and to their needs.

    Mr. Abbot and Mr. Pyne, should be made explain why their only interest is private schools.

    What is be proposed, brings us far past that. The days are gone when they can get away with it is a state matter. This scheme brings with it, cooperation between the two levels of government. It puts s stop to one system, competing with the other. Mr. Pyne can put away his plans to create more independent schools with the aim of undermining the state system.

    The country’s that do education the best, all have one system of education, the state system.

    Sadly we cannot undo what has been done., At least these proposals are attempting to teat each equally.

    I am surprised that the ABC 24 are treating the proposals seriously and in a balance manner. Maybe there is some hope for us yet.

  230. Abbott and Pyne must be lonely today.

    That means we have 13 years – the same period of time that it usually takes a student to complete schooling – to make Australia among the best in the world,’ Ms Gillard says.

    But she says the government has decided not to accept every aspect of the Gonski model, ‘above all because we want to ensure that funding for all schools will continue to rise’.

    ‘But we agree with that broad standard plus loadings structure and that is the new model we will adopt for funding all schools,’ she will say later today.

    This new model ‘strips away all the old debates about private versus public and puts children at the centre of the funding system’.

  231. ABC 24 Clovelly Primary. Some rant about raising money to but whiteboards, which one would think would be provided by the government.

    To my knowledge they were provided to every classroom, along with the money that they claimed was wasted under the Simulation spending.

    Please stick to the truth.

  232. So Opposition Leader Abbott is now being dared to dump increased school funding plans, ditch a long-awaited dental care reform, and scuttle a market-driven program to curb dangerous pollution.

    There is a strategic attempt by Labor to corner Mr Abbott into having to explain what he would not do – what he would destroy – rather than what he would do.

    Is the PM achieving her aim. At least the policies they are taking to the next elections, will be clear.

    Will the publish want Mt. Abbott, to continuing with his plans of demolishing all,

  233. This from Vanstone>

    Abbott as prime minister would have to measure up both in how he conducts himself and in keeping his promises. Having made so much of Gillard breaking hers, there would be little wriggle room for arguments along the lines of ”yes, but things have changed”. Gillard wasn’t allowed that escape clause.
    One problem for Abbott is his team. We see only a few of them. Where are the shadow ministers other than Chris Pyne, Joe Hockey, Malcolm Turnbull and a few others? Are they lazy or incompetent at working with the media? Or is the opposition being managed in such a way that others don’t get a chance?

    Read more:

  234. Everything was fine in that picture of Australia. It was a relaxed, comfortable and harmonious Australia where everything was in its right place, common sense ensured that everybody did the right thing,. This world was bathed in golden light. It’s a deeply nostalgic picture–akin to a Kodak moment of yesteryear. Though it never was it still resonates deeply in our culture.

    You can see its hold in education. In this mythic world there were no failing teachers in failing schools. The traditional teacher-centred approach to the basics of education ensured that students learned and disadvantage overcome. When that was displaced by progressive teachers things declined –eg., the gap in outcomes between our best and worst performed students became high and is growing. Teachers don’t know what to teach.

    So we have to get back to basics to ensure that Australian’s can read and write like they did in yesteryear.

  235. Two questions asked outside education. One in the main questioning, one at the end. One on asylum seekers, the other on Afghan.

    Last question on the Education revolution. (16 million spent) Corrected the reporters misreading of history.

    Sort of shot the questioner down in flames. Defended the Stimulation with passion.

  236. What do we get get fro, Mr. Abbott. You cannot trust this PM, the woman has form. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing on education.

  237. just comJust come come in from doing some gardening. Pyne on, all I heard was she she she .
    Suggest he drops that word. Did not come across as to happy.

    By the way, he has a new conspiracy or whatever one calls it. He believes as there is an election due next August, I thought it could be later, the PM will announce that she has not been able to get agreement with the states, and we will have to wait for details.

    Now if the PM gave them details today, the PM would have been accused of bullying the states and not negotiating with them.

    The biggest bullshit, is that it does not beginning until 2020. It begins from 2014. It will be fully implemented by 2020.

    I cannot make up my mind whether the coalition is saying she is promising too much or not enough.

    The PM will do as she always does, have a deal with the states by November and the legalisation will be put in place.

    They are I am afraid clutching at straws that are not there.

    It would not be prudent, I believe to put this reformation in p[lace too quickly.

    There are many different systems that have to be merged.

    The PM appears to have upset the Greens as much as the Liberals.

  238. Cu, that’s the only weapon available to Abbott..being completely unable to ask a relevant question, he falls back on the “she” thing.

  239. Cu and,

    I cannot make up my mind whether the coalition is saying she is promising too much or not enough.

    Probably because the opposition doesn’t know either…

  240. Pyne also said, it was wrong for the PM to compare our system with Asia. It appears they are different. They do not support a private education system. Maybe Pyne should look at that.

    Pyne once again is saying the system, that everybody is saying,is broken, is needs based.

    I believe the PM is talking about the needs of the individual child, not not poor independent schools.

  241. Abbott’s response is laughable. ABC 24 is replacing his slogans, without one question or comment made. I believe they are saying, it speaks for itself.

    The PM has, as she pointed out, runs on the board when it comes to education. I believe many parents would agree.

    One just has to walk into any classroom today, to see the difference.

  242. For our children to get the jobs of the future, we must give them a great education now.’

    Funding for each school would be based on the needs of individual students.

    This would be done through a new benchmark amount for every student – a new Schooling Resource Standard – based on the costs of schools that are already getting great results.

    Schools with students who face challenges would be entitled to extra funding based on six categories.

    These include low income families, indigenous students, students with disability and limited English skills, the size of the school, and rural and remote schools.

    ‘This additional money would be a permanent feature of the new funding system,’ the government’s statement said.

    ‘It would help pay for things like teachers’ aides, specialist literacy and numeracy coaches, and special equipment. Schools would no longer need to rely on grants or short-term programs.’

    Ms Gillard said teachers would be reviewed annually and their skills assessed to determine where improvements were needed.

    ‘Every school will have a school improvement plan and will be held to account against it,’ she added.

    Looks like a little detail to me.

  243. A judge has rejected a bid by the Health Services Union to cop its penalties and get ‘dirty washing’ out of the way before upcoming elections, after it admitted breaches of workplace law and union rules.

    The union’s former Victoria No.1 Branch has admitted failing to disclose in financial reports that it was purchasing promotional products such as pens, stubbie holders and badges from Phillip Grima, the live-in partner of the branch’s then president Pauline Fegan.

    It has also admitted failing to keep financial records substantiating that thousands of dollars reimbu

  244. We now know that the Gonski report is too complicated for Mr. Pyne. We know this, as he told us so this morning. He also said we should not be comparing our schools with Finland. Know why. Finland teachers have better qualifications. We should also not be comparing within our region. It is Canada that we should be following.

    He can see nothing wrong with the present system. He sees no inequity,

    Funny that, no one else seems to agree with him, including the state premiers. In fact the NSW one wishes he would shut up.

    Yes, there is concern about the funding. Would one expect anything different.

    Pyne seems to understand that WA has gone down the path of funding the child, not the school. if this is so, I assume WA will not have to find much extra money,

    The arguments against the PM proposals are ALL based on money, not context, which they seem to agree with.

    What has occurred and Pyne does not seem to have comprehended, the debate has moved on from between private and public education, to funding each child, with add ons for individual needs.

    Maybe Mr. Pyne should sut down with the experts, and get them to explain to him, what he is obviously incapable of understanding. Then he needs to take Abbott aside and teach him what to say, but using a few more words per sentence.

    Does anyone really like the way that Mr.Abbott talks down to them, as if one is an idiot.
    it is not about propping up the private system. It is about bringing equality to every child. As some one said this morning, the private schools want more money, they will have to take in needy kids.

    Yes, the PM will cut back on unnecessary money that is paid to those who do not need it. There is still plenty there to cut.

    It is not a matter of not affording it. It is a matter of whether we can afford not to do it.

    That is what all government programmes should be about. What is the likely outcome or result, if the money is not found.

    Do we need private schools. I would say not. We have them, and are struck with them. If they cannot survived without being propped up, we do not need them.

    Do we need a first class education system. You bet we do.

    There are two decisions that the PM need not do. Keep funding at private schools at the present level. Have such a long transitional period.

    Sadly these are pure political decision,. enforced on the PM by the political climate.

    The debate whether private schools should receive government funding and the ridiculous drive for a budget surplus at all costs. To go against either, is a battle the PM cannot win.

  245. Help me make education fairer
    Julia Gillard


    Today, in response to the Gonski review into school funding, I’m announcing major improvements to the way we fund schools to make sure that every child has access to a world class education.

    As you’ve no doubt heard me say before, I believe in the power of education to change lives. It changed mine. Because my parents were passionate about education, they wanted their daughter to enjoy all its benefits.

    So as a young girl, I was painstakingly taught to read by my mother before I went to school. As luck would have it, the public schools I was zoned to attend were great schools.

    I liked school and succeeded at it, but even in great schools like Unley High, I was conscious of the kids who struggled and got left behind.

    That’s why it’s so important for me to make sure every child has the opportunity to get the education they deserve, regardless of where they live or what their family background is.

    Currently the gap in reading, maths and science between disadvantaged and advantaged students is more than two years of schooling. That’s not good enough.

    That’s why there’ll be extra money for the schools and students who need it most: students from lower income families, indigenous students, students with a disability, those with limited English skills and kids in regional and remote areas.

    We’re also:

    Giving new teachers more time to plan their classes and mentoring with more experienced teachers
    Setting a benchmark funding amount for each student, based on the costs in schools which are already achieving great results
    Introducing higher entry requirements for teaching
    Giving teachers annual performance reviews and giving feedback on how they can improve
    Giving school principals more power to run their schools the way they want, including hiring staff and controlling their budgets

    These are just some of the changes we need to build an education system that gives every child every opportunity. By 2025, I want Australia to be in the top five countries for reading, science and maths.

    However, to make this a reality we’re going to need co-operation from the State Governments – and we know that Tony Abbott doesn’t support these reforms. It won’t be easy to get this over the line, and over the coming weeks and months we’re going to have fight hard together to make this happen.

    Your voice is important. Please let your friends and family know about how we want to improve our schools so that they can speak up too, because this is a fight we can’t afford to lose. We owe it to every Australian child to make sure our schools don’t leave anyone behind anymore.


  246. Cu, and

    What has occurred and Pyne does not seem to have comprehended, the debate has moved on from between private and public education, to funding each child, with add ons for individual needs.

    Very clever tactics by the PM – she has altered the debate. Any discussion about school funding would inevitably give the opposition the opportunity to bring back the old “politics of envy” theme. However, by focusing on “individual needs”, it brings the debate to the needs of the child and not the needs of the schools.

  247. Much of the arguments I have seen also revolve around ‘we can’t be that good’

    It really is quite sad and pathetic. It is also quite apparent that many of these commentators didn’t bother listening to the PM yesterday. Their first big complaint is ‘where is the money’

    Considering the PM addressed the reasoning behind this yesterday, it might have been pertinent to accept that, and move onto the the actual policy contents. But, when they did, they baulked. These other countries are just far better than us, we can’t be that good. What a bunch of pathetic, gutless wonders. And these are the ones who were behind howard and his ‘aspirational’ voters.

    This one was particularly galling in its defeatist attitude

    In Asia, the Confucian respect for authority and learning, the fact that parents imbue their children with the will to succeed, is very different to Australia’s “she’ll be right” approach to education and the failure of many parents to properly educate their children.

    The curriculum in such countries, compared to Australia, is more academic and rigorous, students are regularly tested and failed and students are often streamed. In Singapore, for example, at the end of primary school students are channelled into either an academic or a vocational pathway based on examination results.

    I note that donnely has himself an ‘institute’ now. How nice for him.

    What he does not appear to note is that the Government has also noted this disparity, and that the review goes some way to addressing this. The one that stuck out most for me yesterday was making available one on one time with students. One wonders why, a professed ‘education expert’ missed such an obvious point? Perhaps it reflects on his schooling? He also missed the point that we are sliding down the scale, that we were up near the top 5, before the liberals policies really got a hold on our education system.

    Another one who didn’t watch Gillard closely was over at the conversation

    Gillard states that “by year three, 89% of children from the poorest quarter of Australian homes are reading below average.”

    The parents of these children expect that they’re “being taught to read and write while they’re at school. And they’re not.”

    If teachers are not teaching children to read and write then what does the Prime Minister think that they are doing out there? The issue is that the children from disadvantaged backgrounds are not learning as well or as fast as their more advantaged peers of the middle class.

    This is not the fault of their teachers but as so much research shows is a direct result of socio-economic disadvantage compounded over time to create educational inequity of outcomes and performance.

    If the writer had been listening, he would have noted Gillard say precisely what he has. yet he accuses her of blaming the teachers. I would have expected more from a site like the conversation, but, alas, it appears that everyone is out to misrepresent these days.

    He also is afraid of trying to compete with the top countries.

    What she didn’t say is that in the four schooling systems in Asia, as well as the Finnish school system, the vast majority of children attend well-funded and well-resourced public schools where their teachers are highly esteemed.

    I don’t know about you, but I reckon that is a pretty good ‘aspiration’ to have. It is also what the plan outlines. So why would the writer pretend that the PM is misleading us, when she was up front about this yesterday?

    And why do these alleged education specialists display such a lack of education themselves?

  248. What we can learn from Finnish education
    Finland: the real education revolution

    My bold.

    “The curriculum in such countries, compared to Australia, is more academic and rigorous, students are regularly tested and failed and students are often streamed.

    Radio National recently had an interview with a couple of educators in Finland about their success. (Second link)

    To put this into context the largest study of students from schooling systems around the world found that Finland had by far the best outcomes. Some at the time said it was a fluke, just an aberration of the study at the time.

    The study continued on for five years and when they collated the data Finland came out even further in front and now led the world with daylight to second place. So it was no fluke. The interview explains how Finland achieved this, and no rigorous testing is not part of their system. In fact testing doesn’t even come in until the middle of secondary education.

    I hope Gillard is looking at Finland when she says she aims to be in the top five and not to the Asian way of education.

  249. Tom R, if our politicians take education seriously, something that is worthwhile, maybe the parents will catch on.

    My other seen me as going to uni from a very young age. As I approached the time to do so, tow things, our finances deteriorated for reasons I will not go into and my mother;s heals deteriorated.

    Having me go to uni was so important for my mother, that I watched her pushed herself, to regain the money, in spite of the harmful effect it had on her health. I just wished she did not do it. She dies at this time.

    I learnt tow things from watching my money. Making money is far from the most important thing in life. That education was important.

    I was doubly proud when I got to uni at forty.

    In spite of my belief, I was a failure at getting any of my four children to follow in my footsteps. One did get to the starting line. Only a couple of grand-kids have got further.

    I failed because I could not beat the odds of a violent marriage and other disasters in my life.

    I know exactly what the PM is talking about. I feel she studied many of the books I did at uni on education.

    It is about whether we can afford not to go down this track in relation to education. It is not a want or luxury, it is an essential to move our nation and economy forward.

    hapoened, ny father

  250. What we can learn from Finnish education

    Isn’t that a far better way of approaching the topic, rather than the defeatist ‘we can’t do that’ attitude of the links I put up earlier

    From what I heard yesterday ME, it looks like a combination of both, suited to Australian conditions. Perhaps, with the Government leading, the population might follow (I’m thinking here of individual reading with students)

    We also have other issues to contend with. I remember going up and reading to the kids when they were in the lower years of primary school. Many parents used to, which meant that almost all students got individual reading time (we each would read to two or three kids of a morning). Unfortunately, people need a police clearance to do this now. Whether that is bureaucracy gone mad or not is another debate, it is just a fact that there are now less parents up there reading. To me, it is just another price we pay in our ‘modern’ society, and, unfortunately, a necessary overhead we need.

  251. The NSW Education Minister said it is not about money when it comes to teachers. He claimed that teachers in Finland are on $60.000 per year. what he forgot to say, this is what they pay doctors.
    The only criticism I have seen from the states, is about money, not policy.

  252. Tony Abbott now on. Promising more money. Not sure what on. Now into the slogans. Three words sentences said slowly, so we understand him.

    Suspect he is not capable of higher communications.

    Slogans is his only tool.

  253. Plus Tom the Fins don’t leave their disadvantage behind, they integrate them into the normal schooling system and bring them up to the standard of or better than everyone else.

    Isn’t this partly what Gillard is proposing. No more of the wealthy schools rejecting the ones who are struggling or who are disadvantaged purely to get the schools average marks up so they can charge more. It’s then the public system who must pick up the private system rejects and then are bashed because of their lower marks by the private system.

    A per child funding system would see the private schools lose public funding for the students the reject and the public system pick up that funding.

  254. Haha. Another unfunded brain fart.

    This must be over $80 billion now so you can imagine how much it will be by the time the election come around and then how many billions he will promise during the election, nearly all of which he has no intention of spending or keeping to his promises.

  255. Tom, it is more likely the mothers are no longer available. The grans are also out at work.

    Abbott getting embarrassing questions on education. Would rather keep up with this is a bad PM, who cannot be trusted…

    The slogan answers are becoming comedy, in their own right.g worse. Must be time to walk, the voice is rising.

    Bonus for best teachers. Suggest that most are capable. Most deserve a good wage.

    I am correct, he walked.

    Julia is now talking to the miners in WA.

  256. The PM is much better on the ear. No three word sentences and slogans. No talking down to one. One feels a equal, when the PM addresses us.

    The PM said that the Gonski report tells us what the Karmel report told us many years ago.

    School do not have ample resources.

  257. Gillard presses on with education reform in her response to the Gonski Review to lift teaching standards in spite of saying little about funding. The states, who are responsible for education, are close to broke and the Commonwealth has to stump up most of the 6.5 billion cash required.

    New funding will be contingent on states and systems agreeing to and delivering school improvement in the form of improving g teacher quality, including requiring more classroom experience before graduation and higher entry requirements for the profession; giving principals more power, including over budgets and staff selection; and providing more information for parents through the My School website.

    David Rowe
    Gillard is opening up the negotiations with the states by mapping the field in terms of reforms aimed to achieve excellence rather than equity. On the table for negotiation are the states’ share of the extra funding, the level of the basic benchmark grant under the Gonski plan (which would be topped up for needs, such as economic disadvantage), the amount of indexation and how quickly the funding is scaled up.

  258. NATIONALS senator Barnaby Joyce yesterday risked deepening the rift within the Coalition over foreign investment as he stepped up calls for a federal takeover of Cubbie Station to keep the giant cotton property in Australian hands.

    But as Senator Joyce claimed growing electoral support for his concerns about foreign investment in agriculture, some farm bodies and Liberal colleagues raised doubts about his strategy to buy back the Queensland property and break it into smaller farms.

  259. Of course the PM would also advise people, they will get Direct Action, which will cost them more.

    Yet the new Coalition government would take office with plans for expenditure cuts and knowing it would have to face at least a half-Senate election within 18 months.

    Of course the Labor Party might promise to do what Paul Keating did to John Hewson’s GST proposal in 1993, to let it through the Senate if the opposition won the election. Giving the Coalition free passage of carbon price and mining tax repeal legislation would make the Coalition’s task of trying to balance the budget even tougher, and lock in the early half-Senate election.

    Another consequence of a double dissolution is that it would not only cut short the Coalition’s first term in government, but most likely cut short its secondYet the new Coalition government would take office with plans for expenditure cuts and knowing it would have to face at least a half-Senate election within 18 months.

    Of course the Labor Party might promise to do what Paul Keating did to John Hewson’s GST proposal in 1993, to let it through the Senate if the opposition won the election. Giving the Coalition free passage of carbon price and mining tax repeal legislation would make the Coalition’s task of trying to balance the budget even tougher, and lock in the early half-Senate election.

    Another consequence of a double dissolution is that it would not only cut short the Coalition’s first term in government, but most likely cut short its second

  260. Clinton at the Democratic convention talking about the US budget, put it simply
    ‘it’s the arithmetic’

    Similarly, an examination of the Costello audit on Queensland finacial position, is as simple

    “Key here is the fact that the Costello report shifts the accounting goal posts in an attempt to make the debt figure almost always referenced in gross rather than net terms look as scary as possible.

    As Quiggin notes: “If the same approach were taken in evaluating the financial position of a household, it would entail worrying about an outstanding credit card balance, without considering whether the household had money in the bank to make the required payment. Similarly, it would imply that a family with a house valued at $500,000 and a mortgage of $200,000 was worse off than one living in rental housing, with no assets and no debts.”

  261. The federal Liberal member for Hughes, Craig Kelly, signed affidavits stating he was a director of his collapsed family furniture company as it fought legal action in New Zealand — despite telling parliament earlier this year there was “no substance whatsoever” to suggestions he was controlling the company behind the scenes.


    ……Later that day, Kelly told parliament there was “no substance whatsoever” to the shadow directorship allegation and stated he had “not, nor have ever been, a shareholder or a director of this company”. He said he had told his accountant to resign the other directorships upon his election in 2010, but there was a delay in updating the register due to illness. Under ……..

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