Can Alan Jones stoop any lower?

After reading this in news.com this morning I can only ponder if Alan Jones can has finally reached the bottom of the barrel. Here is the bulk of the story:

Veteran broadcaster and 2GB host Alan Jones has claimed Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s father died of “shame” because of the political “lies” his daughter told.

He told a group of 100 Young Liberals that John Gillard’s death was the fault of his proud child.

He went on to suggest Ms Gillard’s tears of grief, for a man she publicly said she “will miss for the rest of my life”, were what sparked a sudden leap in political polling for her.

Mr Gillard, a former psychiatric nurse, died in Adelaide on September 8, age 83.

The remarks occurred during Mr Jones’ 50-minute speech at the annual $100-per-head Sydney University Liberal Club President’s Dinner, on the top floor of Sydney’s Waterfront restaurant in The Rocks last Saturday.

After referring to Ms Gillard’s track record with telling the truth to voters over issues including the carbon tax, Mr Jones said her father’s death was caused by the Prime Minister herself.

“The old man recently died a few weeks ago of shame,” Mr Jones told a group of party members and MPs, including Alex Hawke, Ray Williams and Sussan Ley.

“To think that he had a daughter who told lies every time she stood for parliament.

“Every person in the caucus of the Labor Party knows that Julia Gillard is a liar.”

Some members of the audience gasped with surprise.

The radio star went on to say Ms Gillard had enjoyed a recent spike in polls sparked by her tears. He also said she was being given an easy ride by the “brainwashed” Liberal Party who had backed down because she was a woman.

Organisers of the dinner were not aware a journalist from The Sunday Telegraph, who had purchased a ticket, was present.

While paying tribute to her father in parliament on September 19, Ms Gillard spoke of the rough and tumble of politics and how that affected the family.

She said her father “felt more deeply than me, in many ways, some of the personal attacks that we face in the business of politics, but I was always able to reassure him that he had raised a daughter with sufficient strength not to let that get her down”.

Mr Jones made several mentions about why Liberal leader Tony Abbott should be Australia’s next PM.

“His overweening weakness is his humility. You will never ever hear this bloke argue his ability, his virtue, or indeed his competence,” he said.

“He is a man of incomparable integrity and conviction.”

The broadcaster said it was vital every member of Mr Abbott’s party united behind their leader in the lead-up to the election. Mr Jones said some members of the Labor caucus were scared of the Liberal leader and others thought he was sexist.

Yesterday Mr Jones did not respond to approaches from The Sunday Telegraph.

The event was staged by Sydney University Liberal Club president and aspiring MP Alex Dore. Mr Jones has endorsed his political endeavours.

Yesterday, Mr Dore said Mr Jones had not made the comments about Ms Gillard’s father. Later, informed there was a recording of the speech, his position changed.

“It was a very long speech and I did not hear it. I have always found Alan to be respectful,” Mr Dore said.

He said there was “no need” to “pick apart Alan’s speech. All you are doing is reducing it to a very small thing which distracts from the issues facing Australia”.

I’m momentarily lost for words, so it’s over to you while I pick myself up from the floor.

Oh, and here’s a photo of Alan Jones with his finger up a dog’s arse.

438 comments on “Can Alan Jones stoop any lower?

  1. There aren’t enough words to decribe what a vile pestilence this nasty little grub is. As much as I disapprove of Liberal Party policies-past or present-attacking Liberal MP’s via their family members (?especially recently deceased ones) is just too low for words. Still, it has become a pretty standard modus operandi for the Far Right, as could be seen in Abbott’s comments about Margaret Whitlam, his comments about Bernie Banton or his comments about former NSW Opposition Leader, John Brogden. The question is, will Abbott give Jones a wide berth, or will he-by appearing on his shows-give implicit support for Jones’ vile attacks? Interesting days ahead, methinks!

  2. Hi Marcus, this from the Liberal candidate was gobsmacking:

    “It was a very long speech and I did not hear it. I have always found Alan to be respectful,” Mr Dore said.

    FMD!

  3. I’m surprised that he could find enough people who valued his opinion enough to cough up the $100 a head to listen to him. They may have to offer a refund for indigestion. No surprises here. He lost the plot years ago and will go they way of all of the other shock-jocks of his era.

  4. The Young Liberals at the Young Liberal function Alan Jones was speaking at are now distancing themselves from Jones. The function was attended by Alex Hawke whom I’ve spoken of before.

    Though they are distancing themselves now this is what one Tweeted immediately after Jone’s speech:

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  5. I never listen to ratbag radio so could someone post a list of Jones’ sponsors.

    Without sponsor support Jones will be just another product that has reached the end of its shelf life.

  6. Why IS it that the Liberals hate so much? Just when some regular posters here think it is safe to dip the sanctamonious toe back in the offensive water, out comes their revered mentor and shining light and pukes them right back in it!….
    WHY is it that the Liberals HATE so much?

  7. Love it with one reservation, Migs. Last para is not fair to dogs. Also takes us down to Jones’s level. Lowers the tone here. We don’t need that.

  8. “Listening to the audio of Jones’ speech, I was shocked to hear guests at the Sydney University Liberal Club laugh in response to his vile attack on the Prime Minister. On reflection, I realised I should not have been surprised. This is the kind of misogynistic, pugilistic, bully-boy bastardry that has become normalised within the Liberal party under Tony Abbott’s leadership. When this is the kind of behaviour consistently modeled by the leadership, it is easy to understand why Jones’ egregious remarks brought only the following response from his young Liberal hosts:”

  9. Looking around the traps it’s heartening to see the number of hard core Liberal supporters canning Abbott for what he has bought their party down to, started under Howard of course. Menzies would be ashamed of them both.

    What shames me is the reaction of the Young Liberals who laughed and clapped then Tweeted what a great speech it was by Jone’s. These are the future Liberal leaders and Party members and you need no look much further than Alex Hawke to see where the Liberals are heading, and it isn’t good.

  10. There is always sludge at the bottom of the cesspit and Alan Jones continues to sink down into it. As his dementia grows so will the ugliness of his utterances.

  11. Some members of the audience gasped with surprise.

    I didn’t hear any gasps, all I heard was the laughter.

    Yes, it is true, many lefties do hate. I wonder if that is because the right give them so much TOO hate?

    I’m feeling a bit of that vile emotion this morning, truth be told.

    I also implore everyone to follow ME’s link to get that miserable rat off the air. The ‘political’ debate can only descend so far, surely?

  12. Recently two young left wing activists were arrested on QUT uni ground after young liberal complained about their presence. They were gathering petition signatures. Freedom of speech ? You have to teach it to the LNP these days. Alan Jones had his speech regardless of how vitriolic it was. Now he should be kept accountable

  13. I read that story ands.

    The worse thing was it was QUT conservative supporters who were hurling abuse at them and making threats yet it was the peaceful liberals gathering signatures who were arrested.

    Welcome to a conservative Queensland where any semblance of democracy is warped and corruption of the processes, which has already begun under Newman with the hobbling of the CMC he used against the previous Labor government.

    Abbott has openly and enthusiastically supported everything that has happening in Queensland so expect the same and worse from him if he becomes PM.

    That there are Liberal supporters who go out of their way to condone this is very disheartening, but as I’ve been reading that there are Liberal supporters who condemn it and Abbott holds out some hope.

    I don’t visit Iain’s Sandpit and scroll his posts here but I would be hoping he’s of the latter and is openly and harshly condemning Jones and the Young Liberals in the Sandpit.

  14. Bolt has apparently attacked Jones.

    Call me cynical, but would this be one low down arsehole attempting to dethrone another worse low down arsehole so as to get further into the Sydney audience.

  15. I’m surprised that he could find enough people who valued his opinion enough to cough up the $100 a head to listen to him. They may have to offer a refund for indigestion. No surprises here. He lost the plot years ago and will go they way of all of the other shock-jocks of his era.
    —–
    Joe,
    well said.

    That info from Paul Howes is important.

    Mobius, great work. Gonna sign that petition.

    Migs,
    superb you got this useful post up early. I noticed it when on my Facebook last night and linked to it there and on The Political Sword blog.

    N’

  16. What is worse, this speech took a week to emerge. Why would that be so. It appears a couple in the audience grasped, but did not hear ANY RAISE OBJECTIONS.

    Also at the same event, a jacket made of sackcloth . signed by the esteemed gentlemen was raffled.,

    Where has been the outcry from the senior members of the Liberal Party saying this is not on.

    PS Who in hell would pay good money to this to this idiot for fifty minutes.

    I wonder what applause he got for his address.

    ABC News radio has been making a big thing of the story all the morning. Mr. Turnbull has said the remarks are cruel and offensive and the the man should apologize..

    More interested in what Abbott has to say.,I expect something along, they are young from him.

  17. I would like to add, if the father’s death had anything to do with the spike in the polls,it would be because people took a fresh look at the PM, found a caring courageous woman, when talking about the father.

    A woman that bears no resemblance to the popular perception, create by the media and the Coalition.

    Simply put, they liked what they saw.

  18. Only the ABC has reported that some in the audience gasped, apparently at the end of the laughing and clapping, but I haven’t heard any gasping in the audio I’ve listened to so far.

    Abbott has apparently made a statement to someone, I can’t find the source, where he’s attempted to ride the fence and have it every which way, not surprising.

    He apparently garbled something about have read and not read the transcript and heard and not heard the audio.

  19. Does anyone believe that senior Liberal officials were not aware of this long before last night.

    Where are those who have enough sense to warn Abbott and tell him to get out there, denouncing what was said before it became public.

  20. ABC still waiting to see what Abbott has to say. Brandis points out not a sanctioned Liberal party event. Not a good look. Brandis seeking credit for giving the PM a pair to allow her time to grieve. Good of them, I would say.

    Photograph graph of the auction item of the jacket made from sack cloth. That, in my opinion, says that the Liberals support and appreciate all of Jones endeavors. He is seen as a hero by many on that side of the fence.

    This is not about Jones. He is of no consequences. it is a bout the Liberals and the steps they will take to destroy their competition. Playing the game fair, or being good sportsmen is not in their blood.

  21. Mr Jones made several mentions about why Liberal leader Tony Abbott should be Australia’s next PM.

    “His overweening weakness is his humility. You will never ever hear this bloke argue his ability, his virtue, or indeed his competence,” he said.

    “He is a man of incomparable integrity and conviction.”

    The broadcaster said it was vital every member of Mr Abbott’s party united behind their leader in the lead-up to the election. Mr Jones said some members of the Labor caucus were scared of the Liberal leader and others thought he was sexist.

    Yesterday Mr Jones did not respond to approaches from The Sunday Telegraph.
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/jones-says-gillards-dad-died-of-shame/story-e6freuy9-1226484128451

  22. PM is not taking his calls. I wonder why.

    He made the comment earlier in the day, was made to him earlier in the day at a his Godson’s Christening. Some Christian types I say.

    He does not dislike the PM, only her policies.

    Hate to think he would treat her, if he did not like her.

    Spoke for 58 minutes without notes.

    He repeated the story that was current during the evening. No one knew the speech was being recorded. Gee, in this day and age, that it would not be recorded.

    It is now a private dinner party.

    He is digging that hole much deeper.

    Where is Abbott?????

  23. Am watching Alan Jones trying to somehow apologize for what he said about the PM and her causing the death of her father. I just hope that people will now realize what a complete scum bag this man is. Now is telling us that he does like the PM just not her policies. What does he take us all for – idiots?
    Nothing he can say will diminish what he has said and done now or in the past. The man is a moron of the highest degree.
    All I can say is that when he meets his maker sometime in the future the Pearly Gates are slammed firmly shut!!!!

  24. Alan Jones. It’s all about me and while I’m apologising and not diluting the matter I’ll talk about how badly the country is being run and dilute the matter by bringing up attacks on me. You do know this is about me?

    Bloody hell how bad is this man?

    And how much weight does his apology have, firstly in attempting to dilute it whilst saying he’s not doing that, and secondly given the fact he made a similar apology over the chaff bag statement and went on to repeat it many times after that apology, and not just repeat it but expand it and make it more horrible.

    Go Jones, just retire to your country place you mentioned and leave us alone.

    No Jones that’s not wishing you will die and that you didn’t survive the cancer, but as is your address it is about you.

  25. Does not appreciate the twits about him. Been friend of Abbott’s for 25 years.

    It appears that he should have taken the advice offered to him, just to issue a press statement.

    That hole is getting deeper. Everyone was into it on the night.

    Jones believes that the PM is guaranteed from criticism. Therefore, he is not in the wrong.

    Demanding the PM should have apologize for people dying because of the Pink Batts.

    Now running the PM down.

    The young Liberals made the jacket out of chaff bags.

    Hoot of a night, explains it all.

    He only followed what the young ones had set the agenda for. It was not his fault.

    Nothing to drink, as he was drinking water.

    Jones is trying to play the matter down.

  26. My next beef is just how long does it take to make a public apology on the ABC24 news. He is now being asked questions by the MSM which you can’t hear, you can only hear Jones voicing his right wing opinions once again.
    The man is full of gall, bucket loads of it.

  27. Pathetic , he’s only repeat’n someone else remark, BS….. he couldnt be contacted yesterday because he was out in the bush….. BS……. He only made the remark in the context of ‘black comedy’ theme of the event.. BS…. what sought of apology then goes on to (chaff) bag out the Labor Party…. he’s a piece of lieing shit just like Abbortt….. F* you Aln Jones… NO way to make an apology, usual right wing lip service…. claytons apology=NO apology…… eat crow hope ya choke,ya mungrel….
    …just another Shock jock ME ME… P* off wanker Jones your a perfect example of the LNP type and what they stink for….. selfish pricks all 👿

  28. Jones is getting worse as the PC proceeds.

    Jones went on to claim the media had somehow brainwashed the federal Liberal Party to go easy on the Prime Minister because “she’s a woman”.

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    “No, no look, hang on, this is where we are weak. This is where we are weak,” Jones said. “Can you believe that they have gone, the federal party because they’ve been brainwashed by the media to ‘oh back off, she’s a woman, go easy’.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillards-father-died-of-shame-alan-jones-20120929-26soa.html#ixzz27udL34YP

  29. I can’t begin to estimate the size of the hole Jones is digging for himself in making a supposed unreserved and sincere apology without dilution then going on and on to make excuses, put reservations on it, sideline the sincerity and dilute it as much as possible.

    Comparing his statement on Gillard father’s dying of shame as black humour akin to WWI soldiers in the trenches, and it’s worse than that in places.

    Never heard so many ifs, buts and maybes in an address before let alone what was supposed to be a straightforward undiluted apology.

  30. Now talking about the surplus etc….More lies. When is this coming to an end.

    He is now being given a free go to spread his vile. Time for ABC to pull the plug.

    This is not an apology. It is Jones justifying his position.

  31. Alan Jones: “I have never made personal judgements about Julia Gillard.”

    WTF

    Alan Jones is proving in spades that wingnuts live in an alternate universe where fact is a strange concept and projection the norm.

  32. We are now onto all Labor women leaders. Clover More. Kenneally, and Bligh,Christine Nixon.

    Argues on behalf of women, obviously as long as they are not politicians.

    Never called anyone a bitch. Where are the Google searchers. I am sure he has, and could have been on the back of that truck. Now denying Julilar.

    This is ridiculous that this man is being given so much air.

    Where is Abbott??

  33. Only a sentence wrong. Jones, the whole speech is wrong. What you are now saying is wrong.

    Simply put, you are a LIAR.

    You need to shut up for your own sake.

  34. I have walked away from Telly…. cant watch anymore of this ‘sputum’ …… this is the real face of the LNP……this is a the worm, the ‘grub’ LNP types look up to….. 😕
    The next PM prefered poll sure will be interesting…..

  35. Is a function of 94 people really private. It was a Young Liberal University Function, which sadly known for their bad behaviour.

    I see private functions, as family events etc.

    He has not eaten crow, he has spent the time justifying himself and laying the blame on the PM.

    Good use of “she”.

    Has been trying to contact her from early this morning. PM not taking his calls. .

    .

  36. Response. A apology of sorts. Qualified etc. I take it the apology is not been taken seriously.

    Still waiting to hear from the Opposition Leader. Still in hiding.

    .

  37. ABC News has said Jone’s apology was gracious and sincere.

    I thought they would snow job it when looking at the lower third text graphics they were putting up, which picked out complementary phrases whilst ignoring all the right wing bullshit politics he sprouted along with the excuses he made for not really apologising.

  38. Flushed with wine and the approval of a bunch of starry eyed young Libs (the mental image is terrifying), Jones felt free to speak as if he were among friends (and what friends they must be). Many people have found the same mistake when broadcasting their views on FB. Nowhere is private, and someone will record whatever you say.

    Maybe the reason Jones still has a job is because he has substantial holdings in 2GB and he knows where the bodies are buried. I’m not saying literal bodies, but I’m not discounting it either.

    Jones once made a lot of friends by helping people, but those days are long gone. He’s not a kingmaker, just a nasty old man with run-off-at-the-mouth disease. If I was someone who relied on him for discretion I’d be working hard to get him off the air, and very soon, too.

  39. “ABC News has said Jone’s apology was gracious and sincere.”

    Funny that was not what was said immediately after the speech on ABC24. Note my comments above.

  40. Makes one wonder what is going on at the ABC.

    When I have time, I will go back and check. I record most to watch when it suits me. Good for checking out lies as well.

  41. Sorry, I did not realise it is Canterberry-Bulldogs. Do not follow football. My mistake. Just used to hearing Bulldogs.

  42. At Jones press conference he said he had never called the PM a “lying bitch”. Now that comment was part of alist of comments at the Ernie awards, so someone must have the original text.

    And Jones Did Not Apologise, even if anyone would believe he could be honest.

  43. Will the front page of The Herald Sun show a picture of Alan Jones with a 6 inch nose with the caption ‘We don’t believe you”?

  44. There is a YouTube video of the shock jocks savagely dissing Gillard. Jones’s calling her a bitch is one of the lines quotes, with date and time.

    So he lied more than once in that apology that wasn’t.

    Proves categorically that lying and Right Wing are a synonymous part of their very being.

  45. Mark Latham says something sensible..first time in a long time..

    The former federal Labor leader Mark Latham said the comments were unsurprising from the radio station which had a “long consistent hate session on Gillard”.
    “These comments come out of a radio station culture where the shock jocks are trying to outdo each other with comments of hate and vilification about the prime minister,” Mr Latham told Sky News.
    Mr Latham said it was part of what former Australian Greens leader Bob Brown described as the hate media.
    “This is part of the hatred of a political leader not seen since the times of (former prime minister Gough) Whitlam and it’s probably even worse than that,” he said.
    “It’s dragging down Australian democracy, no attention on issues, no attention on the battle of ideas.
    “It’s the politics of hate, it’s directed at Gillard and it’s disgraceful.”

    And isn’t it about time that Tony Abbott’s direct and indirect encouragement of “the politics of hate” was likewise condemned.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/alan-jones-apologises-to-prime-minister-20120930-26t5j.html#ixzz27uzstjLN

  46. Abbott running (excuse the pun) true to form…nowhere to be seen! 👿
    As I posted in my poem “leadership”

    So who is there… to take the job
    The pugilist… T Abbott?
    Who cannot answer questions
    Just takes off… like a startled rabbit
    They say.. he’s a Rhodes Scholar
    So you’d think he have some smarts
    He’s short on policy… costing.. and detail
    But delivers… great brain farts
    Physically… he is very strong
    Of that… there’s no denying
    But his character is badly flawed
    And he’s very good at lying

    His.. misogynistic traits.. are there
    For.. everyone… to see
    With a vision.. looking backwards
    To the days…. of drudgery
    With the LNPs… unspoken creed.. of
    Everyone.. for themself
    Unless you’re one.. of the mega.. rich
    Then they’ll help you.. build your wealth
    And his record on the world stage
    Shows the man is.. lacking class
    While his conduct shows conclusively
    He’s not… a PMs…. arse

    He should have been first to condemn, He’s not a leaders arse Period.

  47. Paul, from your link,

    “To even offer any impression that I might seek to diminish the grief that a daughter would feel for her father, independently who that daughter might be, is unacceptable,” he said

    Jones cannot help himself, note the backhander of no matter who that daughter might be.

  48. A genuine apology would have taken a couple of minutes at a press statement not conference.
    He just reinforced what a sad excuse for a human being he really is 👿

  49. Sussan Ley, Shadow Minister for Child Care and Early Learning…… she’s my local member… I have talked to her several times, she has even been to a few events that I have organised here in ‘the Hill’, she even stood up in parliment and talked about the Wattle Day badges I gave her and the work our little group were doing …. I cant understand why she would be at that type of event, she dosnt ‘appear’ to be ‘that’ type of a Liberal…. I think she may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time… I’m going to ask her, see what she says…….. until its pointed out to me that she’s ‘some what less’ than she appears I will will give Sussan the benifit of the doubt….. yes she’s a Liberal, one of the few good ones I’d suspect…. (and No I didn’t vote for her, but she does have my respect, mm!!)…. until proven otherwise.. ;(

  50. Jones is a sad miserable old man who has a particular hate for any woman who occupies a position of power. His jealousy begomes ungovernable rage when these women keep his preferred beautiful manout of the job. This behaviour is “lower than a snakes duodenum” to quote Tammy Fraser.

  51. ….now the media are mudding the waters with Slater and Gordon crap.. again …. that ‘confirmation bias’ Editor-at-large from the Un-Australian poo’s paper, doing his crap reporting again. ….rolling out the teflon for Tony..again….. F* the MSM, Tanner got it right ……”Midway through 2010, exhausted by the pressures of government and family life, federal finance minister Lindsay Tanner quit politics. He settled down to write a book, Sideshow, on what he saw as the biggest problem facing Australia’s political system – the media.”
    http://www.killyourdarlingsjournal.com/article/clouds-of-rhetoric-climate-change-and-the-state-of-australian-journalism/

  52. And is Simon Berger, the communities realations manager for Woolworthes, a woman hater or just an admirer of Jones?

  53. No, Iain, he is suffering from “Get Tony elected at any cost” syndrome. Note that none of his audience reacted with outrage, & in fact some tweeted their congratulations about his “fine” speech. See them all run for cover, though, when they found out his speech had been recorded-then it was all deleted tweets & lies about what was & wasn’t heard. Typical Liberal Party behaviour if you ask me!

  54. Jones seem to be saying it was not his fault, as he was only repeating what those who attended the Christening of his godson and those attending the dinner.

    So, we now know what the supporters of the Liberals think. Jones is only reflecting their thoughts.

    I take that to mean, he is also referring to what his mate of 25 years is saying.

    Abbott sure shored up the undying support of many journalist, during his short stint as one, those many years ago.

    This is about the Liberal Party, not really about Jones. As he said, he should not have repeated what they were saying. From Jones words during his justification of himself, those present were having great mirth with their cleverness.

    They say small things, entertain small minds. One would need an electronic microscope to find the brains of these lot, including it appears, Federal MP’s, who did not have the political nous to warn Abbott and the party.

    Has Abbott surface yet?

  55. Cu. That was a point I made about Jones’s non-apology. He dobbed in the Young Liberals, two Liberal front benchers and Simon Berger along with others attending as being misogynists, joking about killing the PM and her father dying of shame because of her.

    In other words it appeared as though Jones was saying as part of the apology that what he said was a reflection of the Young Liberals.

    I have no doubt the touted future Liberal PM of this country Alex Hawke is like that, but the Young Liberal movement as a whole. It’s very sad and worrying for the future of this country if that’s the case Alan Jones seemed to infer.

  56. Visitor, all is not lost with you, I am glad to say.

    Now I hope that you and others, acknowledge that this is about more than Jones. It is about the levels that politics has sunk to in this country.

  57. Marcus, it is over a week since that speech was made. Not one Liberal realised the danger in it.

    Not one on that day, at a Christening and the dinner saw anything wrong.

    Wonder who the Godson is.

    Jones said more than once, he was only repeating what others said, as if this made it right.

  58. On Insiders it was asked why Jones could say these things. Insiders acknowledged that Jones said others were saying it.

    It appears that the PM is at her best, when voters see her under attack. That must be Liberal polling and explains the change of behaviour at the last sitting.

    Problem, they seemed at sea, when they dropped this behaviour. during QT.

    Dores has a problem, he did not hear something, that according to Jones, was being discussed all night with great mirth.

    Suggest, that the Young Liberals should also apologize.

    That before the day is out, we should see their leaders line up with Abbott to do so.

  59. “On Insiders it was asked why Jones could say these things. Insiders acknowledged that Jones said others were saying it.”

    Really, CU? That certainly never comes across in the transcript. Even if he was repeating what others were saying, then why would he repeat it? Indeed, why would he even remember it, unless he agreed with the sentiment? Who on Insiders made that claim? Probably just another of Jones’ apologists I reckon-someone who probably had advanced knowledge of what his defense would be.

    Let’s be honest, his claims about it being second hand are no more believable than Abbott’s claim that he disappeared for a week due to a soldier’s funeral. These people couldn’t lie straight in bed!

  60. Marcus, he repeated more than once that, during that painful so called apology.

    Also pointed out on Insiders, that for the last two years, the carbon tax has occupied the media. As the carbon tax recedes, it is likely that other issues will emerged, which will benefit the PM.

  61. This may have been raised already – I haven’t had a chance to read all the comments yet – but why did he wait a week to apologise?

  62. Where did Abbott make his statement..

    A spokesperson for Julia Gillard said the Prime Minister “does not intend to talk to Mr Jones about his comments”.

    “The comments were, in the light of everything, unacceptable,” Alan Jones told a press conference in Sydney today.

    “They merit an apology by me.”

    Opposition leader Tony Abbott said Jones’ comments were completely out of line.

    ”Alan’s remarks regarding the PM were completely out of line. It’s good that he’s recognised this and apologised for them,” Mr Abbott said.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/jones-says-gillards-dad-died-of-shame/story-e6frg6n6-1226484128451

  63. A typically anemic response from Abbott-much like his response to Bernardi’s vile comments. The fact is that, just because Jones claimed he heard it elsewhere doesn’t make the claim true. Even if it were true, though, it would *not* justify him repeating it during the speech-unless he *agreed* with the sentiment. His “apology” only occurred because he got caught out-not out of genuine remorse-& was more a pathetic attempt at justification & self-pity (I’d especially like to see *proof* about these “twitter trolls” wishing his cancer might come back”. After all, he lies so much that there’s no guarantee that this claim is true-& more likely just an attempt for undeserved sympathy).

  64. Abbott’s statement reads as if he is concerned not to offend Jones. Quite a short statement, I wonder if the press will question him on Ley and Hawke. And why haven’t they faced the press or issued apologies/statements.

  65. Does not say how, where or when the comment was made

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says comments by broadcaster Alan Jones about Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s father were completely out of line.

    Jones has apologised to Ms Gillard after suggesting at a Liberal Party function that her father died of shame because of her lies.

    John Gillard died this month aged 83 after a long battle with illness.

    Jones’s comments – secretly recorded by a News Limited reporter – sparked outrage on social media and among both Labor and Liberal politicians.

    Mr Abbott added his voice to the condemnation on Sunday afternoon.

    “Alan’s remarks regarding the PM were completely out of line,” he said in a brief statement.

    “It’s good that he’s recognised this and apologised for them.”

    http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=800662&vId=

  66. Can’t believe the ABC.

    The commercial TV afternoon news bulletins more or less called the Jones event and the responses from both sides and the public as it was.

    Not the ABC, they snow jobbed it and attempted to put the most positive light on Jones and Abbott as possible.

    This is what the ABC news reader said, paraphrased. Alan Jones stated that Julia Gillard’s father was “probably” ashamed.

    No ABC, Jones never used the word “probably”. Every other news quoted the exact words Jones used, some even putting up a graphic of them so they couldn’t be taken out of context. Not the ABC, they paraphrased in such a way as to wash down the seriousness of the statement.

  67. Statement at three this afternoon. Where were the usual stunts today.

    That is all we are going to get, I believe. A very brief statement. No condemnation. No mention of Young Liberals and their behaviour. No PC.

    Wonder if he will turn up for the football.

  68. I think it’s a bit cheeky of the media to say Jones has apologised to Ms Gillard. He’s apologised publicly, if you could call what he said an apology, but she is apparently not taking his calls, so he’s not apologised TO HER at all. And won’t get the chance, I would hope.

  69. Mobius, as ABC 24 did immediately after the appearance of Jones.

    What has happened after this. One can only come to the conclusion that orders come from upstairs.

  70. I love that one offers an apology then spends the rest of the time, rubbishing her. As the interview went on, Jones became more vitriolic and hateful.

    He spent most of the time, diverting the blame elsewhere and justifying himself.

    Sorry, that was no apology, and should not be presented as one.

    A apology is, I was wrong. .

  71. Jones like Abbott would not know an apology if it bit either of them on the arse, they are a pair of low life’s and the release of the tape very similar to the Romney gaffe could have been done by one of the hired help.

    Heaven forbid it was done even though late for the polls by a lieberal with a scrap of integrity something in short supply on their side of the House. Menzies must be spinning like a caterine wheel in his grave, seeing the depths his once proud party has sunk to. Turnbull the only one to condem. Where is Whinney Pyneey in all of this, under some rock.

    Rather confirms Andrew Elder’s comment re the NSW libs and Abbott ” The NSW Liberals are determined to fuck over Tony Abbott at every opportunity, and they know him better than anyone.
    You’d have to be a mug to vote for him, and I am sick to death of all this more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger crap that an Abbott government is inevitable”.

    Sad that the ABC is playing it down there is one place where a quick stiff boot is needed. However the blogosphere is all over it thank the force which is with us all.

  72. Surprised. Channel 10 canned Jones’s apology as being insincere calling the function for what it was. They stated Abbott and Jones will remain close friends and though they will be a little more careful with their words and private appearances they won’t change.

  73. No condemnation of the young Liberals and MP’s that attended.

    I do believe that Jones was repeating what he had heard that day. Wonder who was the father of the child whose birthday Jones attended.

    It was not one sentence. The speech was modelled around that sentence.

    Once again, Abbott hides. A thee line statement, saying that Jones should not have said what he did, in my opinion not enough.

    Is Abbott at the football. Has he been questioned.

  74. Can Alan Jones stoop any lower?

    Can we change that to “Can the Liberals stoop any lower?”

    It was a Liberal do, cheered on by Liberal want to be’s. What more, Jones said the jokes came from them, and from a party of his godson’s that afternoon

    Except for Turnbull, no Liberals have condemned the words. Yes, Abbott and Brandis said it was inappropriate and I believe should not have been said it.

  75. The ABC. has played down the offence…what can you expect..Mark Scott was and more than likely still IS a close confident of the liberal party heirarchy!….you don’t get to be an adviser without close and comforting sympathy….purge the lot! start at the top!

  76. I am listening to Jones explanation for the chaff bag joke. He said it was a saying one got from his father who was from the bush.

    Explanation was that when something was damaged or no good, you put it in a chaff bag and threw it away,

    I seem to have a distant memory that is a little different, Could have been a chaff or wheat bag, which one used to get rid of kittens. One put them in a bag, then drown them. As for throwing her in the Tasman. It appears that he did not mean to drown her.

    Can anyone enlighten me on what they believe the saying to be.

    I have a suspicion, listening again, he could be on the verge of senility.

  77. Apparently Gillard won’t accept calls from him. Fair enough. It has also been pointed out that not once during his alleged ‘apology’, did he ever offer up an actual apology to the PM herself, but only ‘apologised’ for making the remarks themselves. He even had the temerity (apparently) to bring up deaths of insulation installers, and to try and claim (falsely) that the PM herself had admitted that her behaviour had upset her father.

    The thing is I think that even, if I might call her Julia, that is Julia as the daughter, the daughter did say that many of the problems that she faced weighed heavily upon her father and I don’t know exactly what she meant by that. But I’m sure they have been through difficult times as a result of the controversies that she’s been in.

    What did she actually say

    “He felt more deeply than me, in many ways, some of the personal attacks, that we face in the business of politics, but I was always able to reassure him that he had raised a daughter with sufficient strength not to let that get her down.”

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pm-julia-gillard-becomes-emotional-in-speech-about-dad/story-e6frf7jo-1226477372157

    What a piece of work.

  78. I’m still wondering why someone from News paid to go to the event with a recording device. Sounds like there has been prior form for similar offences – but why did News choose to publicise it? It’s either to “get” Jones or Abbott (by implication).

  79. Rest assured, 2353, those questions will never be answered.

    Like Bilko if refrained from comment regarding this affair.

    I woke up this morning looking forward to a lovely day, until I read the report in the SMH online.

    I’ll admit I have felt despair, today, at the ever lowering level of political discourse in this country but Jones hit the very, very bottom with his comments.

    A slimy slippery slope of slithering slander I have never before witnessed.

    And apologies to all (Migs you can delete this if need be) But Jones is a c….,nah, you all know what I was going to say.

  80. The response when you send an email to Alan Jones (it was a comment along the lines of his vindictive and nasty comment must have his parents turning in their graves.

    Thank you for your email.

    I have decieed to change direction a little in the office. As a result of the continuing massive volume of correspondence, the increasing demands on my time and, dare I say it, my health, the staff have advised me and I’ve agreed that we should change the way I deal with correspondence.

    All e-mails are gratefully received. As always, I will read all your comments and I’ll note them. However, I’m not going to commit myself to responding to every piece of correspondence. I will, of course, be back in touch if I need further information.

    I hope it doesn’t offend when I say that I won’t be providing individual acknowledgment, but your ideas will always be most welcome and if need be, in both our interests, I will respond to you.

    I hope you understand.

    With best wishes,

    Alan Jones AO

  81. Can’t remember the context or where in his non-apology he said it, but in answer to a question he said, “she is the Prime Minister, I suppose.” He could not unreservedly admit she is the PM, even on that one little thing he had to belittle it with an, “I suppose”.

    As to Gillard declining his calls. Listen to the non-apology on the way he framed making calls to the residence and office of the PM. It was done as a demand that Gillard should have been at his beck and call to accept his half baked apology.

    Jones has done similar things in the past where he believes he should make the agenda and everyone else should be there at his will, even when that’s facing charges or answering to something nasty he has stated.

  82. It does not surprise me that the recording was made by a News Ltd journo. I believe this was part of yet another nasty, dirty campaign planned by Jones, News Ltd insiders and Abbott’s crew…

    News Ltd will act all innocent…but think about how it benefits News Ltd to pretend they revealed this abusive speech by Jones without his knowing.

    They hook-in desperately needed readers…and viewers for SKY/SLY NEWS…

    and give the impression that they did the reporting hard yards…rather than this actually being a manufactured situation. News corp are renowned for creating the news and attempting to pull the wool over their readers and viewers eyes.

    Even more disturbing, this could be a possible cunning & devious attempt to justify illegal recordings…considering the phone hacking fallout.

    NOTE: It makes you wonder if their Australian reporters are in knee-deep like their UK brethren…and are trying to soften public perception against them before the truth is revealed via more intense investigations into their conduct.

    As for The Liberal party…considering Jones reputation as a teflon shock jock, this would have been a great opportunity to permit him to throw himself into the ATTENTION SEEKING PIT so once the cameras, mikes etc focused on him, yet again, he Jones, could do his Labor and Gillard bashing propaganda machine thing…

    as evidenced by the fact his presser was well advertised, even by SLY NEWS host Peter Van Onselen (who predictably took the anti-Jones approach possibly to cover himself)…

    and rather than apologising on air in a courteous and sincere and concise way, as any normal human being would do accepting the consequences with dignity, Allan Jones went about trying to turn the focus back on the PM…and ALP policy…a rant that came across as planned.

    But being the old guard media, archaic bully and egomaniac he is, Jones and his possible co-conspirators underestimated the power and response of the fifth estate, social network sites, tweets, blogs and so on.

    He now comes across as a complete selfish dickhead who is manic and irrational in his hatred for the PM and the Labor party…demonstrating once again he is a Liberal party connectec hack and well paid attack dog.

    Furthermore, he is a poisonous extremist…who has exploded all over the Howard/Abbott-led Liberal party…once again the old guard Liberals have possibly attempted to manipulate voter perception only to have it blow up in their faces.

    Abbott and his relationship with the likes of Jones, Bernardi, Joyce, climate change deniers, Mirabella, Rinehart makes him look like, at the least, a pathetic and desperate leader willing to nudge nudge wink wink to loopy extremist characters…

    at the worst…a machiavellian, sneaky, lying, deceitful, ‘anything goes’ overly ambitious egomaniac who has sold his own principles down the drain and catered to the worst of One Nation/Tea Party/Fox News style politics in order to bully his way into power.

    A sad individual willing to dupe and divide a nation in order to get his hands on the top job.

    As for Woolworths…their response is not good enuff. Their political biases are plain to see. Until they make a course correction…and punish this participant at the Liberal function appropriately…they have lost me and my wife as customers.

    As for Abbott…I expected his response to be piss weak. This individual is like a rotten onion…peel away the surface…no matter how deep you go you’ll find stench…and a taste of acid.

    Jones no different.

    NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT

  83. Sorry? He is NOT sorry. He is shitty he got caught out and all his little cohorts obviously felt the same way. What a bunch of pathetic little worms. They have no respect or empathy for anyone the self absorbed and ruthless bastards need to be shown up for what they really are.

  84. nasking, I agree with you. This was a start of a nasty campaign to undermine any positves the PM might get from the death of her father. One only had to watch how hard it was to make that reply in QT. He made it as short as he could. Yes, there where a couple of nice sentences, which I believe he meant, but not for the right reasons.

    Jones has given the strategy away. He was obviously not in the loop.

    Jones was very clear in letting all know that he was only repeating what he had been hearing all day.

    The allegations that the PM’s father was ashame of her, and her grief was meant to slowly build up, and become the perceived truth. Once again, the PM was to be demonised.

    This could only count for nothing to come out for over a week. This in itself is unbeliefvable. Last weekend was sowing the seed.

    I know this might sound a little credoulous but no more that what we have been exposed to since Abbott become Opposition leader.

    If Jones had taken credit for the comments, one could see if different. I believe that Jones was telling the truth,

    I would say, that Abbott is in for another bad week. As usual it is all his own fault.

    What amaze me was the the media appeared surprised, as Jones did.

  85. On news.com..such are the techniques..Jones is described in one article as “The former Wallabies coach”. Is this supposed to give him credibility?

  86. With one nasty comment to a bunch of giggling Young Liberal university students, broadcaster Alan Jones crushed the myth that he is a respected commentator on whom politicians must rely for survival.

    and

    Despite many rushing for the position, Mr Jones now has a firm grip on the job of his own worst enemy, following his assertion that Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s father died of shame for his “lying” daughter.

    This remark, cruel by any measure but particularly so given Mr Jones’ fond memory of his own father, was intended to cause as much pain as possible to its absent target.

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/

  87. There is a wider political consequence to this latest controversy.

    One is the comparison between Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s silence this morning and the swift rebuke of Mr Jones by front bench colleague Malcolm Turnbull, who said the broadcaster had to apologise to the Prime Minister.

    And the furore has added to the list of people Tony Abbott cannot be seen with, at least not in total comfort.

    Mr Abbott can’t have Senator Cory Bernardi as his parliamentary secretary because of his gay marriage comments; he can’t associate with supporters who publicly reject climate change, because he is now a qualified believer.

    And it is difficult to see how now he can appear on Mr Jones’ radio program without firmly distancing himself from his host’s comments about Ms Gillard’s father. Mr Abbott’s role in past appearances on the 2GB breakfast program have been as patient listener to Mr Jones’ views, occasionally interrupting the monologue to agree.

    They have been parodies of interviews which Mr Abbott and others have suffered through because of the belief Mr Jones has the power to wield his audience to decide matters of political life and death.

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/

  88. Great crew at 2gb, ie; THE UGLY AUSTRALIANS..,Jones, Smith, Hadley….ju liar is a campaign started by these liberal pin up boys ,, An article published in The Sydney Morning Herald concentrated largely on alan Jones’s sexuality, questionable behaviour while Senior English Master at The King’s ” boys” School and the “cottaging” incident in a London public toilet when he was arrested and charged with two counts of sexual indecency. The book claims that Jones is a homosexual and that his denial of this is “a defining feature of the Jones persona”.CONTROVERSIAL 2gb announcer Chris Smith, suspended for groping women at a station Christmas party, will be back on air at the start of February. smith has also been arrested for exposing himself to schoolgirls at a sydney railway station The shock jock, whose wife walked out on him after learning of his booze-fuelled behaviour, will be returning to his top-rating drive program at 2gb at 2 on Monday, February 1.

  89. A couple of weeks ago I started to write a post titled The Ugly Australian. And the Winner is . . .

    I guess I might as well can that post, but here is how it started:

    Who do I consider to be the consummate Ugly Australian? That person whose behaviour goes against everything that we grew up believing epitomised the great Australian character: the Australians who believe in a fair go for all; who believe in an egalitarian society; who respect others no matter what their background or beliefs; who’ll stick up for their mates against the schoolyard bully; who’ll give someone a helping hand when they are in need, whether they are friends, family or strangers.

    Who is the ugly one?

    There are five definitions of ugly and I use the last four criteria in determining the winner (although criterion number one certainly applies to the winner in this case):

    1. very unattractive or unpleasant to look at; offensive to the sense of beauty.
    2. disagreeable; unpleasant; objectionable.
    3. morally revolting.
    4. threatening trouble or danger.
    5. mean; hostile; quarrelsome.

    And the winner of the Ugly Australian goes to . . . Radio 2GB host Alan Jones.

  90. Jones is known for his involvement in the occult arts. He was once in a toilet in South Africa, and he was caught out holding a black mass.

  91. ABC News Breakfast this morning called Jones’s apology as it was even saying it wasn’t really one and at times the rambling was bizarre. Good on them.

  92. I watched the whole 40 bitter mins live.
    1) Not once did he say “Sorry”
    2) He could not bring himself to use Julia Gllards full name.
    3) He generalised the so called apology referring to she and her and daughters.
    4) He proceeded to rant about policies and the carbon tax.
    5) He proceeded to rant about pink batts and the deaths that occured.
    6) He blamed someone else for inventing the comments.
    7) He produced a 40 min public policy broadcast for the conservatives.
    8) He at no stage whatsoever appeared genuinely sorry.

    I am ashamed to even admit that I used to listen to and support some of the things he said many years ago. What a bitter, twisted, cynical, domineering, spiteful, hateful, nasty little man.

    Tony Abbot; Your 2 sentence response was pathetic and even to praise him for the non apology indicates your support.

    Malcolm Tunrbull: Your immediate and strong response shows you should still be the conservative leader.

    Julia Gillard: never ever accept a call from this man again.

    ALP: Please boycott the radio station.

    Conservatives: Stop the venom, hatred and bile in the so called name of free speech.

  93. Shane, the first thing that came to mind when I read how the PM had refused to take a call from Jones is, Why should she? Why should our prime minister want to speak to a creep like Jones?

  94. This is an alleged ‘apology’

    ”That doesn’t really affect me much because I suppose I might be a different sort of person,” he said, adding almost as an aside: ”I don’t know what the constitution of Julia Gillard is on these emotional issues.”
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    He then slipped in the apology, but the damage had been done. She’s a sheila. Emotional. She can’t take a bit of rough and tumble.

    Again, he invoked the notion of the double standard. ”It seems to be … fair game to say anything about me … Anything is fair game about Tony Abbott even if it happened 37 years ago. But it does seem as if there is an attempt to quarantine Julia Gillard from all of that.”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/how-low-can-this-shameless-old-dog-of-the-old-media-go-20120930-26tqf.html#ixzz27zdYs6aS

    How can anyone claim they are apologizing to you, while all along they are having a dig at you. The apology is almost as bad as the initial remark. OK, no where near as low as that, but bad enough on it’s own. At least his sponsors are getting the idea, well, hopefully they are

    Last night more than 8000 Australians had signed an online petition calling for advertisers and sponsors to terminate their arrangements with the 2GB morning show. The radio station removed the list of sponsors from its website, in a belated bid to protect it from the fallout.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/alan-jones-apologises-as-sponsors-pull-ads/story-e6frfmq9-1226484904553#ixzz27zjG9qlS

    How brave they are that they are too embarrassed to list who sponsors them.

    I must admit, I’ve never been a fan of PvO, but the way he has gone after jones (which is the tabot should be going after him) is impressive, and offers some light at the end of the miserable media tunnel that some on the conservative side of reporting want things to improve within our national debate.

    Readers will remember that Jones previously used his radio program to declare that the PM should be put in a chaff bag and thrown out to sea. He apologised for the statement, yet at the same function where Jones made his latest offensive remarks he signed – and was the highest bidder for – a jacket sewn from chaff bags that was auctioned for the Sydney University Liberal club.

    In fact, yesterday, he even started defending the manner in which he made those chaff-bag remarks. That’s an example of how Jones follows up an apology, and hence why any apology from him is meaningless.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/apology-by-alan-jones-signifies-nothing/story-fn53lw5p-1226484912883

    PvO was also quite vocal about the treatment of the PM over the grubby reporting of her time as a lawyer. Full marks to him on this.

  95. Min

    I hope she sticks to her guns and never takes a call from him again. While I do not agree with everything Julia Gillard has done, she does not deserve this treatment from a spiteful man.

  96. I get the distinct impression that finally, mercifully, some of the conservative commentators agree that ‘a line has been crossed’.

    Better late than never.

  97. Alan Jones apparently has 100s of 1000s of listeners. Well then lets say he has 500,000 listeners which is being very generous.
    1) If he was a TV show he would be axed.
    2) He may be no 1 but with only 18% of the AM audience it is nothing to crow about as 82% dont tune in.
    3) Very few of todays youth listen to AM radio stations.
    4) His listener base represents just 2.18% of our population.
    5) 97.82% of our population are not listeners.

    According to the above he should not be anywhere near influential and has only become influential with the whole MSM help.

  98. Courtesy of Katrina S*..

    I heard that Woolworths are now looking to phase out the use of plastic bags in their stores by 2013, and replace them with chaff bags.

  99. Shane, the sad thing about this is that Jones is doing his usual. He is abusive = publicity. He apologises = he gets the opportunity to repeat ad nauseum the original abuse = publicity x 100,000. For Jones it’s win-win all the way unless 2GB and/or the sponsors are prepared to take decisive action and sack him. My bet is that they won’t.

  100. On the today show this morning, Karl Stuckwithnodick shot himself in both feet by outing himself as a friend of Jones, when Laurie Oaks turned one of Karls questions back on him.

    Says it all really 👿 👿 👿

    Cheers

  101. Apparently Suan Ley MP suffers from, selective hearing disorder, as she is yet another person who did not HEAR (yes I am shouting, obviously ) Jones speech at the dinner she attended.

    I wonder if she asked why people were laughing? She may not be able to hear but she can certainly read and repeat the statement sent to her from Abbott’s office.

    “Ms Ley said she had attended the Sydney function on September 22 in support of the NSW Young Liberals and Jones was the guest speaker.

    “I did not actually hear the comments reported in today’s press and was not aware of them until this morning,” she said in a statement made from Western Australia yesterday.

    “The remarks about the PM were unacceptable and were completely out of line.”
    “It’s a good thing that Alan Jones has recognised this and apologised.”
    http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/368126/ley-i-didnt-hear-joness-shame-comments/?cs=11

  102. Nicola Roxon puts it well in regards to tabot and jones

    If you strike a match, you can’t be surprised if the fire takes off in different directions

  103. I watched the non-apology yesterday and what was intersting were the cameras still rolling as he walked down the corridor after the press conference. He was smiling and laughing with another chap, obviously quite satisfied that the “matter” had been dealt with.

  104. Challenger Finances has withdrawn cancelled sponsorship of Jones show. Also Freedom Furniture has withdrawn.

    This is the real reason Jones was out yesterday. Jones denied they would not and it would be business as usual.

    Albanese on shortly. To talk about something od National importance. Now on ABC24

  105. Tom, I thought they put unwanted kittens and pups into chaff bags in order to dispose of them in the nearest dam, by drowning.

  106. I have just started to look at todays happenings. Has Abbott emerged yet.

    Albanse is rerpeating all we said yesterday.

  107. The board of the John Singleton-owned Macquarie Radio Network yesterday threw its weight behind Jones amid a call for an advertiser boycott of his program.

    “What’s done is done,” executive chairman Russell Tate said. “From my and the board’s point of view his personal and unconditional apology was the appropriate response.”

    But Woolworths was forced to distance itself from the uproar after it emerged its government affairs manager, Simon Berger, a former Howard government staffer, attended the dinner and donated a “chaff-bag jacket” – a reference to an earlier controversial comment by Jones about Ms Gillard – for auction. Woolworths spokeswoman Claire Kimball said Mr Berger had attended the function in a private capacity.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/sorry-says-shock-jock-for-besmirching-pms-grief/story-fn59niix-1226484933525

  108. People should boycott Woolworths as well.
    Russell Tate seems to think the apology was personal and unconditonal. The overhwelming majority of Australians disagree. Wake up Russell.
    Congratulations Challenger for having morals and standards above the gutter.

  109. I do not think the media was aware at how fed up the public is with the vile, personal attacks of the PM Julia Gillard. The response I feel is appropriate but can you imagine any other issue taking hold, when you consider when the story hit the newspapers.
    This story in the Tele was published on the Saturday evening of a long weekend. Not only that but the saturday evening was between 2 grand finals. normally nothing replaces football winners and losers of grand final weekend. and for those not interested in football, this weekend in NSW is the first after a long winter with no holidays.

    MSM wake up, the public has had enough!

  110. Journalist is now on ABC 24 He took pains to point out the behviour of the audience, None objected.

    He said he was there early. Wonder if he can confirm what Jones alleged, that he had repeated what he had been hearing all day, at his Godson’s party and at the dinner.

    Jones was not on until late.

    This is about the Liberal Party as much as about Jones.

    Where is Abbott. Two days in a row and not out.

    Was he at football last night.

  111. Shane, that’s excellent news about the sponsors. Something that sponsors must realise is that it’s not just about the clicks and the hits which Jones’ comments might receive, but that by continuing to sponsor this person, that they are also implying agreement with his opinions.

  112. How interesting that Sussan Ley’s statement is so close to what Tony Abbott said. Was it a party statement?
    I also find it interesting that:
    SULC tweeted about the ‘brilliance’ of the AJ speech and beforehand about his communication skills, but most people asked have denied hearing the remarks and some mentioned being ‘in and out’ – not my idea of brilliance. Loose with words perhaps?
    so many people are acting as apologists for Alan Jones and attempting to defend the indefensible.
    so many can’t see the difference between this speech and the name-calling by individuals or understand that any political actions are completely irrelevant.
    SULC claimed the remarks were ‘out of context’ and Alan Jones blamed the context.
    Liberals such as Sussan Ley attended to ‘support Young Liberals’ but Young Liberals are trying to say that the Sydney Uni Liberals are nothing to do with the NLP, a very strange claim.

    We’re seeing so many ways of trying to weasel out of this incident which I agree is a direct result of the climate of insult and attack set by Tony Abbott and others. Alan Jones himself claims it was the tone of the night and his statement that he heard the remark at a party and abnegating responsibility by saying he ‘shouldn’t have repeated it’ is the prime example.

    I could go on – and on and on. I hoped that this would perhaps make people stop and decide that from now people might unite to try to lift ‘political debate’ to concentrate on policies, but can see that all we’re getting is the usual silence and/ or obfuscation. The entrenched Liberals are unchanged, but surely this must have an effect on some of the swinging voters. I do have faith that most Australians are better than this.
    I also see hope in the advertisers’ response with the withdrawals by Lexus (two weeks ago), Challenger and Freedom and perhaps more to follow in this working week. 2 GB removing their list of sponsors yesterday indicated that they were running scared.

  113. the collapse of gunn’s which was due (in no small part,imho) to management confusing the roles of corporate function and (personal)political aims, through attempting to use their company as a political tool.

    tate and his board could bring about a similar result for woolworth’s, (who already have my boycott) by persisting in the unreality of his above statement:

    From my and the board’s point of view his personal and unconditional apology was the would be the appropriate response.”

    fixed for you , mr. tate 😀

  114. “How interesting that Sussan Ley’s statement is so close to what Tony Abbott said.”

    Karl Stefanovic on Today was challenged on by Laurie Oaks after saying almost the same as Abbott as well. Stefanovic is a close friend of Jones.

  115. “What’s done is done,” executive chairman Russell Tate said. “From my and the board’s point of view his personal and unconditional apology was the appropriate response.”
    Woolworths boards view would seem to have some elements of ‘confirmation bias’, how can anyone, let alone a bunch of supposedly smart buggers, say that Alan Jones gave an personal (rant) and unconditional apology…. there were 45minutes of conditions….. 😕 I like many others I will be boycotting “the Big Chinese Reject Slop” …. in favour of real Australian shops, ….. and just for the record I dont by there milk or there petrol already, I support our dairy farmers and our local petrol stations…
    heres a slogan for ya ” Buy Austalian, support Australians” or its bye, bye …. 😦

  116. “.Jones is doing his usual. He is abusive = publicity. He apologises = he gets the opportunity to repeat ad nauseum the original abuse = publicity x 100,000. For Jones it’s win-win all the way unless 2GB and/or the sponsors are prepared to take decisive action and sack him. My bet is that they won’t..” (Min`s_quote)
    And any sponsors or advertisers that loudly ditch Jones/2gb for this, will crawl quietly back to them in the not to distant future.

  117. Jones effort which I did not watch, reminds me of the line in a movie with suitable verbal adjustments “thats Not an Apology, this is an apology”.

  118. Woolworths “suspension of advertising” isn’t all that it seems:

    Hi everyone, there have been posts calling for us to pull advertising and sponsorship from Alan Jones’ program.

    To be clear, we do not and have not recently sponsored this program. From time to time we have had advertising during this program, however, this morning we have made a decision to suspend this advertising.

    We’ve acknowledged that a staff member, in a private capacity, attended the Young Liberals function where Mr Jones made some offensive comments about the Prime Minister. Woolworths in no way supports the comments made at that function. We thank you all for your feedback.

    https://www.facebook.com/woolworths?ref=ts&fref=ts

    Perhaps I’ll believe they’re sincere WHEN they sack their Community and Government Relations Manager, Simon Berger 😈

  119. I too would consider it more than a token inititiatve if Simon Berger was taken to with some cat-o’nine tails.

  120. Really hard to find audio on line, The Un- Australian diappeared it quick … BUT :-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpIa0GG0ChM

  121. If I ever brought my company into disrepute as Simon Berger has with Woolworths, it would be a case of “don’t let the door hit you on the @&$e on the way out!”

  122. Channel 7 is up to its old tricks. This morning, Yahoo7 (Channel 7’s presence on the web) switched its comments section back on after months of disallowing comments following a Mediawatch exposure. It would appear they have switched it back on specifically to allow comments about the Alan Jones scandal, but why they have done it is anyone’s guess. At the time of writing this, there are about 200 comments, and most of them are demented right-wing comments defending Jones and abusing Gillard and Labor.

  123. The regional stations are dumping Jones. Saying he is not worth the trouble. Two I believe at least.

    ABC said they did try to get Abbott and other senior leaders without success.

  124. Jones is the poster boy for why self-regulation in the media is not working. The concern in his “camp” (pardon the pun) is not what he said; it’s that he was caught saying it. I have personally identified, documented and reported 16 breeches on 12 occasions of the broadcast act to ACMA. Jones has been prosecuted twice. The problem in Australia is people like Jones morph between “reporting” “opinion” until they get caught breeching the law, then they magically shape shift into “entertainer”.

    Jones is a gay man, who as a school teacher was essentially fired for writing love letters to underage male students in his care. He was arrested cruising for gay sex in a public toilet in London. He has been found guilty of breaches of the broadcast act for essentially lying and non-disclosure. Jones stood for pre selection on a Liberal party ticket only to be mercilessly defeated. He is a serial liar and no more than a school teacher who’s time at Oxford was a short stint in the business school doing a paid for micky mouse (non- under or post grad) diploma. Just as Jones blurs the line between paid advertisements for a company or position and he blurs lies with opinion in prosecuting policy for political advantage.

    Such a past would be ammunition to fuel a thousand decades of the sort “research” Jones presents to assassinate the character of those in ideological opposition to his political propaganda. Jones flaunts boundaries of human decency whist vaunting intellectual and moral superiority using lies, slander, opinion and hearsay. The very tactic he employs is that which he crucifies others for using. This in itself is a delusional contradiction, as personal self-reflection of his truth is an irradiated force that would melt a thousand suns.
    Jones is an enigma. He has made a career of unchallenged opinion wrapped in motivational hype. He is a gifted public speaker and skilful salesman, who spends most of his time speaking at people rather than listening to people. Alan Jones is one of our most successful Rugby coaches and one of our most unsuccessful Rugby League coaches. Most of all, Jones personifies what is wrong with the media landscape in Australia. The evangelical populist inquisitor of public interest who pretences journalism yet claims infotainment under litigation. The reality of Jones is he is a gay, lying hypocrite of questionable moral conviction incapable of accepting he is wrong.

    There will be many who watch his qualified apology and hail him as a man humbled by the admission of indiscretion. I must admit he is good; the shit was still steaming as the underwhelming sincerity was peppered with cheap political shots. This man is a dangerous product of how money corrupts judgment in those who seek populous fame. He and the dung beetles that reside in the shock jock format, are paid so much money they feel they can say anything and get away with it. Self-important people, who as grazing advertising cash cows, justify their position with a fat cheque and a promotional enabling celebrity brand. Jones’s press conference revealed more about the man’s incapability for unqualified admission of failure rather than his ability to admit he was wrong. Jones is a weak man of floored moral judgement incapable of critical thinking. Simply put; Like Abbott, Alan Jones is a fake.

  125. Ricky Pann
    ABC news 24 had an advertising expert on for discussion, and she stated that 2GB may have broken the ACMA guidelines by taking down the list of sponsors.

    So it may be that ACMA, and Jones mate, may have to investigate this breach.

  126. ‘JONES DUBBED ‘THOUGHTLESS BASTARD’, DUMPED FROM CSG RALLY

    Alan Jones has been dumped as headline speaker at an anti-coal seam gas rally on the Tweed next week, with organisers condemning him as a ‘thoughtless bastard’ for his extraordinary personal attack on Julia Gillard.

    Alan Jones has become a champion of the anti-CSG movement, telling the National Press Club last week that prime farming land was being turned into ‘a quarry and a worthless lunar landscape’ by miners.

    The talkback king was meant to speak at the Rock the Gate – Northern Rivers event on October 13, but organiser Michael McNamara said they had withdrawn his invitation.

    “That anybody would suggest that a parent died of shame because of their child is so beyond the pale that it beggars belief that anybody, let alone someone with any sort of public profile, would think it, let alone make it,” Mr McNamara said in a scathing statement.JONES DUBBED ‘THOUGHTLESS BASTARD’, DUMPED FROM CSG RALLY

    Alan Jones has been dumped as headline speaker at an anti-coal seam gas rally on the Tweed next week, with organisers condemning him as a ‘thoughtless bastard’ for his extraordinary personal attack on Julia Gillard.

    Alan Jones has become a champion of the anti-CSG movement, telling the National Press Club last week that prime farming land was being turned into ‘a quarry and a worthless lunar landscape’ by miners.

    The talkback king was meant to speak at the Rock the Gate – Northern Rivers event on October 13, but organiser Michael McNamara said they had withdrawn his invitation.

    “That anybody would suggest that a parent died of shame because of their child is so beyond the pale that it beggars belief that anybody, let alone someone with any sort of public profile, would think it, let alone make it,” Mr McNamara said in a scathing statement.”
    http://www.news.com.au/national/alan-jones-dumped-as-headline-speaker-of-rock-the-gates-anti-csg-rally-over-comments-on-julia-gillards-father/story-fndo4ckr-1226485883222

  127. In the same article above , Cando Campbell said would appear on Jones radio station as he reckons Jones “has guts” to apologise.
    Well that is something I would expect from Campbell Newman.

  128. Another advertiser, Freedom Furniture, has also pulled its advertising from Jones’s program.

    “You spoke, we listened,” Freedom said via its Twitter account. “We do not support the comments made by Alan Jones. We have pulled our advertising off air.”

    Mercedes-Benz Australia has also joined the list of companies to withdraw all advertising and marketing associated with Jones.

    The German luxury car maker and its network of NSW dealers are believed to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars each year advertising with 2GB, which is part owned by Jones.

    http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/sponsors-drop-alan-jones-after-attack-on-pm-20121001-26ugl.html

    At 71, it maybe time to retire.

  129. Sue, once this was out he had no option but to apologise. This is major damage control from a man who has form for serial brainfarts of reckless judgement at the expense of others. Even in aplogy mode he is vindictive, self-import and unrelenting. A bitchy old, misogynist closet on a good day.

  130. One needs to use the word sorry to apologize. Not once in what I believe was a 47 minute ramble, was this word heard.

  131. Sponsoring 2GB is sponsoring Jones as he’s and equity partner. It’s why he was so cocky about not losing advertisers at the end of his rambling non-apology.

    Add Dilmah to the list and they are cutting all ties to 2GB.

  132. No more I would say. The so called carbon tax has had little or no effect on inflation.

    What is surprising about these insensitive remarks is not that Jones made them, but the importance attached to the remarks. It is truly bizarre that Alan Jones wields such influence and importance in NSW considering his track record of getting simple facts wrong.
    On climate change, Jones is full of hyperbole who feels little compulsion to cross-reference his statements against the bulk of research published in scientific journals. He stated to an anti-carbon tax gathering outside Victorian Parliament that, “the notion of global warming is a hoax” and “witchcraft”.
    In 2011, Jones claimed “human beings produce 0.001 per cent of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere” and therefore human induced global warming was a beat-up. Spurred by complaints, the Australian Communications and Media Authority followed up on whether these claims were supported by any evidence. According to ACMA, the licensee of 2GB, “conceded that it was a claim researched by Mr Jones himself and they weren’t able to adduce any evidence supporting that claim.”
    In the lead-up to the introduction of a carbon price, Jones regularly played host to a range of personalities claiming that human beings have no influence over the climate. But he didn’t once interview anyone from the National Academy of Science, the Bureau of Meteorology, the CSIRO or any other academic with a long track record of studying and publishing scientific papers on atmospheric science. This is in spite of an obligation on commercial radio broadcasters to “promote accuracy and fairness in news and current affairs programs.”
    He has been an enthusiastic promoter of the idea that wind farms constitute a major health risk. This is in spite of the National Health and Medical Research Council’s own review of the literature suggesting there was little evidence to support such claims.
    And he has also claimed the carbon tax would “bankrupt the nation”. Something I’m still waiting to show any evidence of transpiring.
    Yet in spite of the fact that Alan Jones spouts arguments that would take a high school student about two minutes on Google to pull apart, he remains incredibly popular.

    http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/alan-jones-climate-change-clown?utm_source=Climate%2BSpectator%2Bdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Climate%2BSpectator%2Bdaily

  133. It’s excellent to see that list of sponsors. Companies such as Woolies spend huge amounts on advertising and have an image that they plug for all it’s worth (this is in spite of being heavily involved in the poker machine industry). It’s a matter of choice, use Jones and lose that carefully manufactured image…

  134. CU
    Tony was busy to day working with his local bush fire brigade. He was phoographed getting out of the truck in his firies outfit.
    Just too busy to comment.
    So the press will have to wait another day, just the usual Abbott, no stunts involved.

  135. Has not stopped him in the past. I seem to recall tye cameras biing invited to record his community service.

    What a joke.

  136. Will he be out at dawn tomorrow. Maybe he will spend the day, mopping up from today. With the firies that is.

  137. These turds seem to think that the problem is that they said these things in what they thought was a private setting amongst like minded people. They don’t get that what was said is sick and disgusting and that we all know that these are their real feelings that they usually manage to disguise and hide. They are a bunch of dishonest liars and gutless wonders as not one of them has the balls to stand up and take it on the chin like a real human being should.

  138. Tony was busy to day working with his local bush fire brigade

    After Roxons comments earlier today, that is really just too ironic.

    Although, I have to admit, thanks to a beautiful Spring day, a great family and our fantastic city parks, I was able to block the repugnant attitudes of rwdb’s for a while. It was heavenly. It is also encouraging watching jones etal get a lesson in humility from social media on my arrival back, and witnessing companies listening to customers, and not shareholders for once. It’s almost like Spring has come to the national debate after a particularly bad spell. Let’s just hope the weather holds.

  139. Telling is Tony Abbott’s wishywashy response..but what do you expect from a wishywashy politician. Tony’s only principles amount to obtaining the keys to the Lodge for himself, and no further.

  140. The scary thing is, these are the supposed liberals of tomorrow.

    Yea, really not that much different from the liberals of today.

    Repugnant.

  141. We need to keep the pressure on Woolies etc. Loss of revenue will hurt the Maggot more than anything we say. Hopefully there are still some decent Liars voters left who will stick a rocket up Liealot’s backside and indirectly the Maggot’s.

    Liealot is just as culpable, imo. His tardy, lukewarm, lacklustre and completely insincere slap on the Maggot’s wrist, reconfirms his complete unfitness for any role in public life, particularly the highest position in the country.

    He should be made to listen to Turnbull’s swift condemnation as an example of how a public figure SHOULD behave. I take my hat off to Turnbull over this-he was the only Liar who displayed any integrity, morality and decency.

    With the exception of Turnbull, not one of the rest of that mob of low lifes has had the common decency to offer support for the PM. None of them is even fit to be the attendant at a crack house lavatory.

  142. We need to keep the pressure on Woolies etc.

    That’s the crux of it Jane – Woolies especially.
    * While their “Community and Government Relations Manager” (who supplied the chaff bag jacket for auction) remains in their employ, the pressure should be kept on.
    * Other companies who’ve indicated withdrawal of sponsorship of 2GB should continue to be monitored – it’s for naught if the sponsorships resume in a month’s time.

    This grub has, for too long, had free rein in Australian political commentary – the line in the sand has been drawn – that line needs to be set in concrete 😈

  143. I’m not sure if it has been said already, but the most disgusting thing about the opposition is that not one of them has spoken in support of the dignity of the office of Prime Minister of this country. Tony Abbott says he prizes that office, yet he has said nothing in defence of the dignity of the office bearer nor the office.
    What sort of politicians are they who have no dignity for their profession?

  144. An interesting comment i read today on Sussan Ley,MP. Ley said in her statement she did not hear Jones’ comment, but what about the ‘chaff bag coat’ that was up for auction. The signed chaff bag coat was all about Jones and his comments about throwing the PM and later Nixon and Moore into bags and throwing them out to sea. Why didn’t Ley object or walk out at this offensive action against women?

    Lovo could you ask your local member for her opinion of the chaff bag coat auction or ask if her sight is as bad as her hearing?

  145. Tony Abbortt and Alan Jones ‘Life’ histories have to, surely, ring alarm bells…..one would hope that the ‘real LNP’ members will stand up (like Mal C.) and take back their party from these ‘fundamentalist Extremeists’ and try and drag thier party back out of the gutter….and into the 21st century……. just say’n 😉
    ……

  146. The petition now has 65000 signatures. If Jones had had 65000 turn up at his convoy of no consequence, jones would have demanded the governmnent quit (yeah, yeah he did anyway)
    do you think jones will listen to the people and resign?

  147. Sue, I am going down to her office in the morning….any other Q you’d like me to ask 😉 (though I doubt she will be in ‘the Hill’ ) I will talk to her staff and convey my dissatisfaction with *look over there, didn’t hear that* ….I wont kid anyone here.. I like the women, she’s a bushie girl with smarts, I’m guessing one of the few LNP crowed that has done manual labour and she’s a she 😀 ……. she makes Prissy look like a right wimp 😆 …. not sure why she followed Abbortts line, I always thought she was in Mal C’s camp… 😕

  148. As I’m not the gooderest most besterest edumacated fellow, I have a *humble* request for you Whisperers (that are still awake)….. can you help me out with some really “smart” Q’s to ask 😳 😳

  149. “I like the women,” 😳 me @11.05 … which should read ” I like the woman”
    …. unintentional comedy…………………… *look over there*………………………… 😆

  150. As Treasurer, I can tell you that when people like Alan Jones and Tony Abbott – or any number of other doomsayers like Terry McCrann or Piers Akerman – constantly trash our country and our economy, it makes life a lot harder for business.

    If you’re wondering how this works, think about this: Businesses depend on consumers having confidence that the economy’s in good shape, that their job is safe, their mortgage is under control.

    If they don’t have that confidence, they won’t go out and spend in the shops, or invest in new assets small business, or go on a holiday to our tourism regions which are doing it tough.

    So whenever Alan Jones, Tony Abbott or anyone else goes out there and deliberately misrepresents the facts about our economy, it hurts us all.

    Like the notion that the carbon price will destroy the economy – which Tony Abbott has now even admitted is complete rubbish. This makes life harder for hard-working business men and women.

    So how does this relate to the hateful outburst from Alan Jones about John Gillard, one of the most shameful performances from a public figure that I have seen?

    Because when you have the amount of aggression and destructiveness in your public debate that people like Tony Abbott and Alan Jones have injected, then the standards of decency and respect for other people start to slide very quickly.

    People feel they can say whatever they like, regardless of how accurate or how offensive it is, about public figures or about public policies.

    It gives the green light to the types of vile comments from Alan Jones about John Gillard, or Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi’s repulsive comments about bestiality, or Tony Abbott saying the Prime Minister has a target on her forehead.

    When common standards are lowered by this much, it means that these people think this kind of bigotry is acceptable.

    When people like Joe Hockey tweet that Alan Jones is the “greatest Aussie broadcaster of all time” or Tony Abbott says “Alan does a terrific job”, it gives his hateful views legitimacy.
    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/this-vile-shock-jocks-brand-of-bile-is-trashing-our-country/

  151. Jones continues his tirade of Saturday. Still cannot say the word sorry. Apology yes, sorry know,. Still making excuses for himself.

    One wonders why he thinks he was wrong. All I get is, I should not have said that. Not that what I said was wrong.

    That is the problem. he does not and is defiant in continuing in the same vein.

    As many are saying, his and his ilk are dangerous to the nation.

  152. Is that so Sophie? What is trumped up? What would or your master not do?

    Suggest that is what is being said about Jones is about. Tony and Jones are being seen for what they are. The public does not appear to like it.

    Sophie many buy and agree with what is being said.

    It is time for you and your boss to have the guts to deal with policies and forget the personal vilification.

    That takes both guts and ability. Can you raise up to the challenge.

    Tony Abbott will be seen for what they are – further evidence that Labor is, as former Cabinet Minister Lindsay Tanner recently asserted, nothing more than an election machine.

    Labor will say and do anything to win the next election.

    But they shouldn’t be surprised if their trumped-up, contemptible, personal attacks on Tony Abbott backfire badly. Australians simply don’t buy the sanctimonious, hypocritical BS that Albo served up yesterday

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/labor-should-spare-us-all-the-bull-on-alan-jones</

  153. Interesting how Jones, this morning, repeated that he was wrong Blah Blah Blah, but could not say “sorry” for what he said. But he said “sorry” easy enough when it came to his critics in regards to his not being silenced.

    What a slime 👿 👿 👿

  154. Senator Joyce also defended his leader, saying, “It’s not Tony Abbott’s position to apologise for another person”.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/albanese-hits-out-at-abbott-over-jones-comments/story-fndo48ca-1226485827580

    No, but it is his job to explain to the Australian people what his parties position and opinion is when a major sponsor, vocal supporter, close personal friend of the loto and foremost megaphone for the parties attacks on the Prime Minister descend to such a low, vile outburst, and encourages the liberal party as a whole to follow his lead.

    ‘I disagree’ just don’t cut the mustard here. jones was obviously attempting to indoctrinate the liberal party in this kind of barbaric behaviour. Evidence to date indicate that he is having success. This needs more than ‘he said he was sorry (sort of)’. The libs need to clarify if they support this or not, not issue a two line statement saying he was wrong this time and then pretend it is all over. The line has now well and truly been crossed (in all honesty, it had a long time ago), they need to acknowledge that they understand this.

    Swan and the rest need to keep the spotlight on this, and a spotlight on the growing level of abuse coming from within the liberal party itself. They should also highlight that for over a week, no-one within the libs appeared to have an issue with this kind of behaviour.

  155. “It’s not Tony Abbott’s position to apologise for another person”

    Tony is not being asked to apologize for anyone else, including Jones.

    He is being asked , to apologize for a Liberal Party do inviting Jones along to spout his hate and for the same mob to applaud what was said.

    Tony is being asked to take responsibility for the Young Liberals actions. As he is this not fair.

    Tony is being asked if he supports what Jones is saying.

    Tony is being criticised for once again running and hiding when things get tough.

    Tony sits in that house every QT calling across the table that the PM is a liar and much worse, He has his shadow cabinet during the whole procedures calling the PM slag, slag bag and much worse. The Liberal women are as bad as the men,

    We even had Tony say that the PM had a cross on her forehead.

    Yes, the lovely Tony never lowers himself to personal vilification and abuse. It is all in our imagination.

    it is time, that when asked to withdraw during QT, they offender had to repeat what they are withdrawing, so we all know what has been said. Most would be disgusted if they knew the what is being shouted across the chamber.

    Jones is of no importance. What he represents is the problems.

  156. And Jones at the SUYL function was telling the crowd which included shadow minister Ley and backbencher Hawke that the Liberal party should go harder in language against the PM. Jones claimed they were weak in their attack because “she” was a female.
    Jones in his normal style gave such a reportable example and the crowd either guffawed or laughed, no booing, no walk outs, no immediate condemnation.
    Tony Abbott should have displayed leadership on the issue, to his MPs that were present, to his party that too often refer to the PM as she/her and to the people of Australia that Jones was wrong.
    Abbott has not he is either weak or shares Jones views or is both.

  157. What a laugh. He’s only doing so as the backlash against his delayed response and then his mamby pamby whitewash of a condemnation has reflected badly on him. So now he’ll do a coverup as scripted for him by his minders.

  158. I would like to state clearly,I condemn all similar statements wherever they come from.

    Personal vilification and abuse wrong wherever it rises.

    The diversion now being used, that some that Labor have used similar language. If this is true, it is also wrong. It does not justify the Coalition present stance.

    There is no excuse for the low level of political debate in this country.

    Yes, one can find some extreme Labor saying things re Abbott that should not be said.

    I believe it would be hard to find Labor MP’s among these offenders. It so, they need to be censure.

    It is time for a rethink of how f how politics is played in this country.

    We, the public demand a higher standard from all politicians.

    Trouble is, that many in the public rather scandal than genuine debate.

  159. I am getting a little bored with the repeating of what Jones is saying on the quarter hour, this morning on ABC 24.

    Time to get onto other news. Much more happening today. Two important court cases for one. That is Slipper and Forrester.

    Jones, is getting a good feedback from his audience. The PM is getting it for not accepting the so called apology.

    Remember his audience is not that big, and he is talking to the converted.

  160. I to have watched a conga line of lefties get terrible self righteous and hypercritical about these nasty remarks from Jones expressing an outrage that is far from proportionate to the offensiveness of the comments. If the left had any sense at all they would realise that trying to make political mileage out of that stupid comment will make them no new friends and not garner a single new vote for the largely detested incumbent in the lodge.
    I detest Jones because he is such a hateful man but what is his crime here when it gets down to it?
    He spoke ill of the dead. Well in the bigger scheme of things is it really that important?

  161. far from proportionate to the offensiveness of the comments

    ian nails whatever was left of his credibility to the sinking rwdb mast

    Up to 74,400 CU 😉

  162. Well visitor, I suppose it is OK, if it is not about your family.

    What is happening, is that the PM cannot ever have any positive press. If it occurs, it much be undermined immediately.

    Therefore it must be put forwarded that the PM grief is not genuine, that she does not even deserve the respect of her departed father.

    The PM must be demonised at all times. The PM cannot be alowed to be seen as human and a decent and caring person. That cannot be allowed. Some might like what they see,

    What was needed was the rumour mills to get this

    It is not about Jones. It is about the Opposition agreeing with him.

    Why has Mr. Abbott been in hiding.

    ABC24. Jones answering many questions that have naught to do with the topic. Mainly I believe, putting the boot into Gillard.

  163. Sorry Tom. The numbers appear to be accelerating, not as expected slowing down.

    Once again back to Jones ABC 24. Every fifteen minutes we are getting a repeat of what he has said today. Ridiculous, I would say.

    No sign of Abbott yet. He is at Raymond Terrace, I believe.

  164. Oh well, knew it would only be a matter of time before Iain came to the defence of his beloved Alan Jones. You see, the Far Righties can’t help themselves-getting all self-righteous & hypercritical about possible misdeeds from 20 years ago, yet getting teary-eyed & defensive when the Centre-left *finally* demand Jones pay for *all* his outrageous behaviour of the last 12-15 years. Of course, Iain, if seeing Jones get pilloried as he deserves bothers you so much, then PO back to your own stupid blog site.

  165. BTW Iain, this story has been largely pushed through the Right Wing Murdoch Press-as are a lot of the criticisms. So clearly some from the Right are equally appalled by this behaviour.

  166. I do hope, that this is a watershed to better standard of political debate in this country.

    I hope my desire is not in vain.

    There are many important things occurring today, aside from Jones.

    Abbott was to speak at 8.30 from the Hunter Valley. Still not seen.

  167. The numbers appear to be accelerating, not as expected slowing down.

    I appears that people are back from the long weekend, and are now starting to really take notice.

    ltdnews attempts to bury this in the midst of the Festival of the Boot appears to have failed.

    74,942

  168. Wonder why. He likes to be seen out at dawn. Still waiting for his riding orders I suppose.

    he wants to be careful, if he leaves it too late, Combet might show up.

    Combet accepted Jones apology, but not Abbott’s response.

  169. As the ultimate display of non leadership , Tony abbott will addres the media after his tour of a factory. Yes first the stunt, no doubt the factory owner will talk about this baaaad tax and then Abbott to take questions.

    True to form for tony abbott

  170. CU @ 8:06 – completely agree. Gutter tactics from anyone are not warranted.

    I see this morning’s line (as posted a number of times from various LNP trolls here and elsewhere) is does it really matter. The answer is yes – let’s use this example as the method to reclaim civility and good humour in the political debate in this country. It’s not “all about me”, it’s all about society.

  171. As has been mentioned, Turnbull was first to come out with his condemnation of Jones..just the same as he was a few weeks back with Cori Bernardi. At least here we have a person with leader capabilities, and who isn’t frightened of Tony Almighty.

  172. The stunt at at time to be announced is NOt in sydney, apparently, somewhere up the highway towards newcastle
    run rabbot run

  173. Exactly Marcus and there have been some high profile on the right who have been forthright in their condemnation. What is missing from the right is the blanket condemnation that is coming from every other quarter, not just the left, but now appearing from the right are lots of straw men and excuses along with many supporting Jones.

    What is missing is an apology to Moira Gillard, who seems to have been forgotten in the unreasonable attack against Julia Gillard.

    What is also missing is the condemnation of the culture being instilled in the Young Liberals as seen by their reaction at the function and as enacted by the Liberals at QUT. Abbott is the cause of this culture, he is the one fostering it by his examples and deeds.

  174. Albanese is perfectly correct, as has been noted Abbott has brought debate to the lowest common denominator..because that’s the kind of guy he is… Whereas Howard would at least have had the decency to look somewhat embarrassed about Jones and others of the shock-jock crowd, Abbott stands there like yesterday’s rooster to crow about it.

    Labor’s broader aim is to implicate Tony Abbott. The Opposition Leader, it claims, has created the culture of personal abuse that gives the green light to Jones and his ilk.

    Anthony Albanese noted Jones made his offensive remarks at a Liberal function, and no one complained. He said Abbott’s statement on Jones was tepid in its admonishment, belated, and it accepted Jones’s ”non-apology”.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/boycott-threats-are-just-hot-air-20121001-26vl1.html#ixzz285h3dPZO

  175. Sue @ 8:52 am Abbott really is only a one trick pony. Stunts with three word slogans.

    Once he’s asked to go outside of that very narrow field he falters, stumbles and fails every time. It will be his downfall as the public, including many on the right, require more than just stunts from the leaders and the party.

  176. Mobius, plus wake up that this is the person who is going to be potentially not just representing Australia as a nation, but themselves personally. That is, asking the question is this the kind of person who I want to represent me and my family?

  177. CU
    Abbott has to arrive at his undisclosed stunt session, the ABC was wrong in thinking Abbott would give an interview promptly, first thing without a safe environment and with a lot of available journalists.

  178. Only a couple of hours at the most from his home. Is driving against peak hour traffic.

    Yes, not many escapes routes up here.

    Not exactly Abbott territory. Even the Liberals on the Central Coast take his party to court.

    Maybe he needs to have a boat on standby, to get him back to Manly.

    No speedos or bike clothes lately.

    Just work safety clothes.

  179. In Hunter Valley. Media Conference is about to start. No fixed time. Not saying where he is. I believe it is Raymond Terrace.

    So, that means the media is standing around, waiting for him to get the nerve up to face them.

    Why are they not showing him, regardless of the PC. Give them something to do. Maybe they could even ask some bystanders what they think.

    That will bring him out of hiding quickly.

  180. Abbott on. Carbon Tax once again

    Foresters did not mislead.

    Abbott is going to rebuild the economy.

    First question. Jones affair.

    Government blames him for everything.

    Civil language, Does he know what that means.

    Not in the business of ignoring the audience.

    Bad government. Not going ignore a audience of half a million people.

    Shocked and dismayed. Made that clear. Did he?

    As far a humanly possible. Tries to avoid that nasty tone.

    Now to asylum seekers. Not given much of a grilling on JOnes.

    Press seem to be coming to Abbott’s party.

    Ask local questions.

  181. “The doctrine of ‘Gillard Exceptionalism’ should now be abandoned. She should either do the job, or get out of it.”

    ‘In response to hostile comments on the post, Ellis responded: “A prime minister has a higher duty than the concerns of his/her private life? How contemptible? It’s like FDR saying, ‘Can’t go to Yalta, I’m crippled’.”

    Bob Ellis

  182. Abbott kept smiling during the press conference, his staff did well with the questions. No need for Abbott to run, it was all so easy for him.

  183. Iain, if you would take off your blinkers for only a few seconds who will notice that the attack on Jones sees many from the left and right united in their outrage.

    But in the meantime, to you it’s only a leftie thing.

  184. What’s your point, el gordo? I can’t stand Ellis either-just another vile misogynist. Both sides of politics create them (especially in the old guard of the Labor side-pre 2000), but the Far Right create them in far greater numbers.

  185. That article of Ellis was condemned by one and all. Suspect he is suffering from the what afflicts Pickering.

    Ellis, I believe has been on the outside of Labor circles for decades.

    Yes, there are dickheads on all sides.

    Did not see any Labor people running to the support of Ellis, unlike the support that Jones is getting from the right.

    I think that Jones said that is where the idea come from. Cannot even think up their own dirt.

  186. re my comments earlier about trash talking the economy, ltdnews continues with tabots agenda

    Ms Levine said the official unemployment rate, which sits at 5.1 per cent, “doesn’t seem to reflect reality”.

    “Lots of people are being sacked quite publicly, and we all know people finding it difficult to find work,” Ms Levine said.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/worklife/brace-for-a-white-collar-recession-experts-warn/story-e6frfm9r-1226486009556#ixzz286Iw7c00

    We’ll all be rooned (hopefully, they muse, if we keep dribbling this sort of shit)

  187. Yes, the best way the PM can get under the skin of the Opposition, is for the economy to continue posting good figures. Annoys the daylights out of them

  188. Migs
    I know that there has been disdain and disgust at his statement from both the right and the left, even from me at the beginning of this tread but that is rather beside the point as various ideological warriors (mainly from the left) are using this as a excuse to try to silence Jones totally using this comment as a pretext. Its the confected outrage that I object to. That does not mean that I am offering the slightest excuse or endorsement for the offending comment,
    Further attempts to blame Abbott for this sorry incident are just so lame that it makes you all look silly and dare I say it desperate.

  189. Mr Abbott says it is up to Liberal Party officials to decide whether to invite Jones to future events, arguing the party is not in the business of suppressing free speech.

    http://www.abc.net.au/…/4290912?section=nsw

    ———-

    Hmmm…Abbott’s reluctant to control his troops when it comes to visiting and working alongside his good mate Allan Jones…

    but he has the Lib troops lined up and voting as one when it comes to issues like gay marriage.

    He’s full of it.

    And beneath the surface…just another fanatical bigot…on the surface supporting other fanatical bigots.

    ‘Freedom of speech’ is just hollow mantra for this political opportunist.

    N’

  190. Iain re,

    ..various ideological warriors (mainly from the left) are using this as a excuse to try to silence Jones.

    Why would we bother..Jones offers zero by way of intelligent debate.

    The point is and that which many in the msm are also saying, including those writing from right-wing newspapers is that vilification has gone too far in the media. Jones is not alone in this but can be pointed to as he is not only obnoxious in his commentary but is a member of the Liberal Party (assumed as he once went for pre-selection). If the Libs want to align themselves with that type of person, then it’s up to them – likewise if the public feel outrage and they have, then they should be free to express this..and they have.

  191. Nas’, I doubt that Abbott has the ability to control his troops..he flounders when he attempts to control even himself…

  192. What a laugh the free speech argument is from the right. It’s free when they want to say anything they want in denigration and slander but not free when it’s leveled back and off to court for defamation, as proven by Abbott who got a defamation payout.

    Hypocrites.

  193. Wingnuts in full flight, and they wonder why we speak out against them. Caller so Alan Jones today:

    “You are the only one preventing Australia from going bankrupt — God bless you Alan.”

    “What these communists have done in this country is disgraceful. Keep calm and carry on.”

    “All journalists tend to favour the left wing. You’re pretty much on your own so don’t give up.”

    Try and tell me these and the other just as wingnutty and disjointed calls are based in any sort of reality.

  194. Do you think he can say SORRY? I wonder how this will be worded and whether another rant will follow

    ‘ALAN Jones must apologise on air for a racist rant where he called Sydney’s Lebanese Muslims “vermin” who “infest our shores” and “rape” and “pillage” our nation, having failed in an appeal.

    A $10,000 damages payment, which has been held pending an appeal, is also expected to be released in coming days after today marked the end of a seven-and-a-half year legal sagALAN Jones must apologise on air for a racist rant where he called Sydney’s Lebanese Muslims “vermin” who “infest our shores” and “rape” and “pillage” our nation, having failed in an appeal.

    A $10,000 damages payment, which has been held pending an appeal, is also expected to be released in coming days after today marked the end of a seven-and-a-half year legal saga’
    http://www.news.com.au/national/alan-jones-and-keysar-trad-lose-their-appeals-over-cronulla-riots-case/story-fndo4bst-1226486556419

  195. Iain, it would do this country a power of good if the Maggot was denied a microphone to spew his vile racist, misogynist vomit into the airwaves.

    However, if you think this is unfair, then I think his detractors should be given equal opportunity to publicly spew forth the reasons why he was slung out of the UK.

    I wonder how many adoring fans he would have left? Obviously the entire Liars Party, but I’d suggest Mr & Mrs Blue Rinse wouldn’t feel so well disposed to him.

  196. Abbott and his deputy, Mr. Sinodinos were quick to tell Liberals on the Central Coast who would stand in the seats, Led to a fracass and taken to the courts, where the action was overturned.

    Yes, Mr. Abbott is very selective in how he interferes.

  197. When one apologises. it is generally understood you undertake to cease the behaviour you are apologising for.

    In Jones case, this has not occurred.

    Wonder can those signatures reach 500.000 to equal the alleged audience of Alan Jones.

  198. Cant wait for the figures after day-shifters get home after having “chats” at work to-day…… Rush hour on its way, Alan 😆

  199. Just looking at those comments from Jones’ listeners as quoted by ME.

    As an unalloyed elitist Jones would have to despise those people for their sycophantic, and stupid, adulation.

    Jones for all his other failings as a man, is not stupid. He would not be seen dead in the company of such fools.

    But it seems that without these willing buyers, he would not have a product to sell.

    I guess that’s just prostitution by another name.

  200. Mr. Abbott said he would not ignore an audience of 500.000. It was pointed out by an ABC representative that the Morning ABC Breakfast has a bigger audience and Abbott refuses to appear. He offer Abbott an invitation to go on air.

    I am sure there are many other shows with a similar audience that Abbott by-passes.

  201. “Oh, and here’s a photo of Alan Jones with his finger up a dog’s arse.” Really? Well at least we know where your high moral ground is. 2 wrongs didn’t make a right when I went to school. How things have changed. (BTW I also agree he was wayyyy out of line, and you are too.)

  202. Speeding up, not slowing down. Maybe people do not like being told that they are being political /

    Why is it OK for Abbott to play political games, and not Labor.

  203. This number is still growing. Could industry be giving Abbott a warning. Stop talking down the economy with the economy.

    RETAIL giant Harvey Norman has joined the list of companies to withdraw advertising from Alan Jones.
    7pm (AEST): The company’s chief, Gerry Harvey, has called for the broadcaster to be reprimanded, The Australian reports. Earlier today, McDonald’s, carmakers Hyundai and Honda, store chain 7-Eleven and lawyers Slater & Gordon all dropped their advertising on the Jones’ 2GB show, following at least nine advertisers who did the same yesterday.

    Virgin Australia has distanced itself from the fallout with a message posted to its official Twitter page: “Virgin Australia currently has no commercial relationship with the Alan Jones programme.”

    5.15PM: SHADOW treasurer Joe Hockey says he will not be boycotting Alan Jones’ program, as more than 90,000 signed an online petition calling for an advertising boycott of the broadcaster’s show…

    http://www.optuszoo.com.au/news/top/news-com-au/harvey-norman-joins-the-jones-walkout/799301

  204. Still going up…. 2-3 every 5-6 seconds……. imagine being one of the ‘parties’ stats ‘people’…… guess their working o/t.. 😉
    98,000

  205. The list of companies withdrawing advertising from Alan Jones program, may get Jones to look at his smugness.
    Business as usual……….not quite

  206. Hi, Sue 😉 ….. I went to Sussan Leys office today…. voiced my ‘disappointment’ at *look over there, didn’t hear that*……. voiced my disappointment of the LOTO and how he has lowered the standard…. and how Turnbull has shown better Leadership re;- Anal Jones…… voiced my disappointment with ‘towing’ the party line.. and yes I was polite and to the point…… I’m a local too 😉

  207. “Oh, and here’s a photo of Alan Jones with his finger up a dog’s arse.” Really? Well at least we know where your high moral ground is.

    I can’t say it was the best thing for me to do. At the time I was a fraction pissed-off with Alan Jones and responded accordingly.

    But you must admit that it really does look like he has a finger up a dog’s arse.

  208. I’m guessing the ‘real’ numbers’ depend on which side of the ‘Great Dividing Range’ one lives.. 😉 …… just say’n
    ……. or 42 which eva comes first…. 😀

  209. Catching up – “Why is it OK for Abbott to play political games, and not Labor.” I suggest it’s not ok for either party.

  210. Lovo – I support your outrage about AJ comments. Unfortunately, the way you are going about it makes you no better than him.

  211. If you think that spiteful and hateful behaviour is the way to combat spiteful and hateful behaviour, go and ask the palestinians and the israelies how its working out for them. Grow up and get over yourselves. You are so self righteous, it’s sickening.

  212. Just saw Alan Jones on Sunrise and once again he could not say sorry and once again he just had to carry on about lies and broken promises. He really is a bitter nasty spiteful man who cannot seem to understand what he did was wrong from all political sides and to use the interviews as another opportunity to bash the government shows how little he places on the value of his so called apology.

  213. Perhaps this should be re-titled to “Can Alan Jones and the liberals stoop any lower?”

    You would think, however, that something so outlandish would give rise to considerable comment – but apparently it went unnoticed by those politicians and the club president and Liberal Party candidate, Alex Dore, until they were approached by the media some time after the event. Collective deafness is a very thin plea.

    So, let’s have none of this defence that Jones was somehow acting on his own at this tawdry event. It was a Liberal Party dinner and the tone of the evening had been set well before Jones opened his mouth.

    This is what is so repellent about comments by Liberal Senator Eric Abetz who said he would have no problem with Jones attending and speaking at future Liberal Party functions.

    http://brucehawker.com/2012/10/03/the-alan-jones-dinner-they-were-all-in-on-the-joke/

  214. Shaneinqld – hope you never have to apologise for anything. I guess people like you will never have to because you are always right in everything you do and say. More of us should be like you, unfortunately most of us are just mere mortals.

  215. I would hope that if I ever said anything as repugnant as what jones said I would be apologizing without prompting.

    In fact, I’ve apologized for far less, and actually meant it.

  216. What the stuff was that about, attacking Shaneinqld Gyroc4?

    Shane of all people doesn’t come across as a know it all, the opposite in fact, unlike a visitor here whose demonstrates the height of arrogance.

    I think it’s you who needs to get off the high horse you are seem to be on.

    Something to ponder over: Alan Jones, hate speech and discord

  217. Marcus @ 8:41 am

    Oh well, knew it would only be a matter of time before Iain came to the defence of his beloved Alan Jones. You see, the Far Righties can’t help themselves-getting all self-righteous & hypercritical about possible misdeeds from 20 years ago, yet getting teary-eyed & defensive when the Centre-left *finally* demand Jones pay for *all* his outrageous behaviour of the last 12-15 years. Of course, Iain, if seeing Jones get pilloried as he deserves bothers you so much, then PO back to your own stupid blog site.

    It may have escaped your attention Marcus but I have consistently made the point that I am no fan of Jones at all, I detest the man and I am not backwards about coming forwards to say so.But thank you for providing proof of may thesis that the rancour aimed at Jones is not about this particular slight but is an excuse to try to punish him for a career spent putting a blow torch to the left.

    Min @ 1:35 pm

    Iain re,

    ..various ideological warriors (mainly from the left) are using this as a excuse to try to silence Jones.

    Why would we bother..Jones offers zero by way of intelligent debate.

    Why indeed, Min and the question is what is the point of the petition if not to silence Jones?

    The point is and that which many in the msm are also saying, including those writing from right-wing newspapers is that vilification has gone too far in the media. Jones is not alone in this but can be pointed to as he is not only obnoxious in his commentary but is a member of the Liberal Party (assumed as he once went for pre-selection). If the Libs want to align themselves with that type of person, then it’s up to them – likewise if the public feel outrage and they have, then they should be free to express this..and they have.

    Its the advent of social media that has increased the “vilification” quotient in the political discourse IMHO Min and really trying to attribute blame to the Libs is rather a long bow to draw and the epitome of the worst excesses of the consistory theorist in full flight.
    jane @ 5:15 pm

    Iain, it would do this country a power of good if the Maggot was denied a microphone to spew his vile racist, misogynist vomit into the airwaves.

    Well I don’t like his style of radio show either and you know what I do in response to my disdain? Well I just NEVER listen to him, besides his rather crude polemic I can’t stand advertising so I listen to the ABC

    However, if you think this is unfair, then I think his detractors should be given equal opportunity to publicly spew forth the reasons why he was slung out of the UK.

    All radio personalities rise or fall on being able to attract listeners Jane, the thing is when it comes to Jones he will probably end up with more rather than less people tuning in as a result of this scandal.When it comes to him being caught patronising a lavatory “beat”, surely you are not suggesting that he should be denounced for his sexuality? Dear oh dear you will have the PC brigade after you for such homophobia if that is what you are alluding to here!

    I wonder how many adoring fans he would have left? Obviously the entire Liars Party, but I’d suggest Mr & Mrs Blue Rinse wouldn’t feel so well disposed to him.

    What makes you think that everyone in the coalition supports Jones? I suspect that he is seen as something of a “mad uncle” who is tolerated rather than loved, and like all “mad uncles” he won’t be missed when he dies or retires from public life.

  218. Gyroc4. your attempt at sarcasm is nnoted. I have apologised for many things and to contributors on this and other sites when I am wrong, so you obviously don’t know me at all as I am never always right and actually apologise and use the word sorry. Mind you I have never said something so despiacble as Alan Jones comments. Your tonal sarcasm reveals the type of person you are yourself. If more were like me there wouldn’t be the hysteria from the right or the left because as most on this site would attest to, I mind my manners and enjoy healthy debate. I am also not aligned to either side of politics as most on this site will also attest.

  219. Iain: I would agree that social media has seen the explosion of vilification. However these words were not uttered by the social media. They were uttered by Alan Jones at a function anyone could attend if they paid $100. A function for the young Liberals who are supposed to be future leaders of our country. What I fail to comprehend is that they all sat there and did not object or walk out when Alan made his comments. What a wonderful example of potential leadership material, unable to point out the unacceptable comments when they were made, but rather a few gasps and many hearty laughs a dead persons expense.

  220. For the record, Everyone agrees what Alan Jones said was wrong, stupid, etc etc etc. Everyone. No-one is defending it, No-one. What I am objecting to is the way you are going about it.

    Let me get this straight: AJ says something that is extremely offensive. He was probably pissed off about something. Miglo explains the dog thing with “At the time I was a fraction pissed-off with Alan Jones and responded accordingly.” (The dog thing is extremely offensive.) But wait thats ok because she was a fraction pissed off. Why is it ok for Miglo?

    I am objecting to your double standards, that’s all. Please explain why it’s ok for you to conduct yourselves in the same way as Alan Jones and then be surprised when someone pulls you up on it?

  221. Sorry Cyroc4, it seems you are applying two standards here, a lesser one to Jones and a greater one to those here.

    You are saying Jones was probably pissed off at something as a way of excuse. Sorry Jones wasn’t pissed off at something, he is that something, permanently. He is a far right wing extremist ideologue that is a misogynist, racist and several other nasty “ists” as well, and always has been.

    He didn’t make those remarks about Gillard, which come on the back of a long line of constant personal attacks against Gillard, because he was pissed off but because that’s who he is, and who he is is very nasty indeed. The problem is he has a platform for his base nastiness that reaches a considerable audience and allows him power and influence to peddle his low brand of hate and personal denigration.

    Let’s not forget the fact that Jones was doing exactly that, peddling his personal debasing attacks on Gillard to an audience of young people who one day maybe the future leaders of this country.

    That’s a world of difference to the attacks made against Jones, bad taste or not.

    Jones is never sincerely contrite either as was illustrated by his chaff bag statement. When there was a backlash against that he went on air and apologised to only repeat it slightly changed the next day, but still having the same meaning as drowning those he railed against in hate filled sprays on his show.

  222. Exactly ME, there is a difference between a planned speech, and a reaction made in the heat.

    Neither action should be condoned, but one is obviously far worse than the other.

    Trying to pretend they are the same is quite misleading

  223. Why is it wrong for politicians to practice politics. After all we are talking about politics.

    Surely the question is whether what one is doing, is right or wrong.

    Of course Labor is going to fight to stay in power, as hard as the Coalition is going to, to get in power.

    Jones actions are deliberate, as what he has said and done since Saturday is. He has continue on with his hate campaign.

    What Jones has said and is saying about the PM and this government is only his opinion. An opinion that is not supported by the facts.

    Jones made those shocking comments before a Liberal Party Young Liberals audience. He was invited there to make them. Simon Berg donated the jacket, that was in line with what Jones had to say. The audience did not raise one rejection. The Opposite appear to be the truth, with some of the tweets that have been revealed.

    There has been a demonisation of the PM since Abbott took over the leadership. Yes, this is playing politics, but dirty and cruel politics.

    It is not playing politics that is the problem. The Problem is the type of politics Abbott plays.

    I believe that is what most are complaining about. That is what most want to cease.

    We have not seen any evidence that Jones or Abbott and his followers have got the message.

    If and when that happens will be the time for many of us to cease our outcry.

    Sorry if those on the other side object.

  224. Gyroc4.

    I apply the same standards to all public figures who are able to influence opinion, policy or my life. The difference you seem to be missing is that Alan Jones belittled a dead fathers memory to attempt to destroy the PM simply because she is from the ALP and not the LNP. He denigrated someone who cannot defend themselves. He spoke ill of the dead. It demands more than a look over there response and so far the majority of sensible middle of the road aussies agree.

    What I do find inexplicable is that if a woolworths checkout employee does anything to damage the woolworths brand outside of working hours they would be dismissed as most employers expect after hours actions of employees to not be detrimental to their employers brand or reputation. Here we have a top line manager trashing wooloworths reputation and brand with an after hours cruel, politically motivated and bitter antics yet there is muted silence and the closing of ranks.

  225. Gyroc4, I am seventy plus and believe me, I have had to apologise for many things, sometimes things beyond my control.

    it is not easy, as one must first admit they have said or done something that is wrong.

    One then has to do all they can to fix that wrong.

    One then must not continue with the wrong.

    Jones fails on all points.

    His only point of sorrow is that he got caught out.

  226. The visitor must have access to the family computer again. It has been nice to have a rest from him. Knew it could not last.

  227. The point of the petition is to tell all and sundry that this type of comment and political demonisation is not appreciated.

    It is about the venom that comes out of his mouth and backed by the Opposition.

    As for Jones himself, most do not care or listen to him.

    It is about what he represents.

    T^ime will quickly take care of Jones, at seventy there is not much time left to be a nuisance.

  228. I think I have heard that Jones denies his sexualkity.

    Abbott now on. With the decent people in Victoria,

    He is in touch with the people. Everyone else is not.

    Same spin.

    Talking down the economy once again.

    Tedious and boring.

  229. Wonder what where the words of those songs sung. Would like to see them on the web as well. Yes, Jones was well and truly welcome and in tune of all present on that night. In tune with all but one, the reporter that recorded the procedures.

    These are not only future Liberal leaders, these are the cream of the crop, being uni students,

    Making fools of themselves is the norm for this gr5oup. Have done so over the years. Suspect that is why the reporter took time to attend.

    What I do not understand why it took a week to emerge.

    Listen to the weasel words.

    The Alan Jones dinner: they were all in on the joke
    What a rollicking old time those Young Liberals must have been having at that Alan Jones dinner. It’s not hard to imagine the scene, an announcement at the outset that they had a special auction item that evening. Drum roll please…a jacket sewn out of a chaff bag and signed by Jones himself.

    Why a chaff bag? Because their special guest of honour, Alan Jones, once said on air that Julia Gillard should be tied in a chaff bag and thrown into the Tasman Sea.

    At that point any one of the Liberal MPs at the dinner might have become a little concerned about the tone of the evening. But no, I guess such things must be par for the course at Liberal Party dinners, because those MPs – Alex Hawke, Ray Williams and Sussan Ley didn’t leave at that point.

    Then, according to Jones himself, the night proceeded with songs being sung about the Labor Government. The song sheets were presumably there – right beside the menu. I’m guessing they were sung to the melodies of popular Rugby songs – that way everyone could hold the tune.

    It was, again quoting Jones, “a typically undergraduate evening”. But still no note of concern by any of the MPs as they remained at their tables.

    So, with everyone suitably primed – the last of the songs having been sung and the signed chaff bag jacket proudly on display, Jones, again in his own words, “rose to speak at 10.10pm in this atmosphere”.

    His infamous words suggesting that the Prime Minister’s father died of shame as a result of her conduct were clearly heard because they were reported to have been accompanied by a mixture of laughter and disbelief.

    That would surely have been the moment when at least one of those MPs stood up and left the room or protested to the guest of honour. But no, none of them said or did anything. In fact, they apparently can’t even recall hearing Jones utter those words – maybe the Rugby songs were still ringing in their ears.

    You would think, however, that something so outlandish would give rise to considerable comment – but apparently it went unnoticed by those politicians and the club president and Liberal Party candidate, Alex Dore, until they were approached by the media some time after the event. Collective deafness is a very thin plea.

    So, let’s have none of this defence that Jones was somehow acting on his own at this tawdry event. It was a Liberal Party dinner and the tone of the evening had been set well before Jones opened his mouth.

    This is what is so repellent about comments by Liberal Senator Eric Abetz who said he would have no problem with Jones attending and speaking at future Liberal Party functions.

    Similarly, Tony Abbott’s two line statement distancing himself and the Opposition from Jones is completely inadequate. He says the comments were out of line. They were – and for that the MPs present should apologise for allowing the evening to proceed in the way it did and for doing nothing to remonstrate with Jones.

    Similarly, Abbott may not feel obliged to apologise for Jones’s words – but he should apologise for the failure of those MPs to do one thing to disassociate themselves from what Jones said that night.

    http://brucehawker.com/2012/10/03/the-alan-jones-dinner-they-were-all-in-on-the-joke/

    and

    Indeed!
    N

    one of our elected LNP members remembers hearing AJ say his lovely words. I also notice that the first impulse, when asked, was to lie. But of course it is important to remember that ALP (and let in general) is held to a higher moral standard than the various Christians on the right wing. They lie lie lie and say the most nauseating things and then froth at the mouth when JG says ‘I am committed to pricing carbon.’

  230. Maybe they will be back. I am sure they will be. The question is, will it be under the same conditions that exist now, There is strenght in numbers. Te companies appear t6o have gone with the numbers. I fail to see them not using those numbers to get a better outcome for themselves.

    UPDATE: More sponsors gone

    Goodbye … for now

    McDonald’s – Alan Jones only
    NRMA – Alan Jones only
    Mazda
    Harvey Normal – Alan Jones only
    Slater & Gordon
    Ford
    7-eleven
    Hyundai
    Turner & Freeman Lawyers
    Momentum Energy
    SSO – Alan Jones only
    Geeks to You – Alan Jones only
    State Custodians Mortgage Company
    Sydney Symphony – Alan Jones Only
    Grace Removals
    John Oxley Motors
    Toyota
    Westend Mazda – Alan Jones Only
    Jetset Travel
    Sydney City Opel (car dealer)
    Cruisescene
    2nds World
    Woolworths
    Coles
    Big W
    Bing Lee
    Challenger
    Dilmah
    Mercedes-Benz
    Freedom Furniture
    Telstra 24/7
    Lexus Parramatta
    Commonwealth Bank Women in Focus
    Australian International Motor Show
    2AY and 2DQ (regional radio stations)

    Also gone are the following companies that advertise on the 2GB website

    Deakin University
    RSVP
    Lite n’ Easy
    Kathmandu
    Gold Coast Theme Parks
    Yellow Pages
    White Pages
    Hyundai
    Honda
    Blackmores
    Thrifty Link
    Medibank

    http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/alan-jones-80000aday-problem-20121002-26xb8.html

    Yes, they came back after the Kyle Affair, They came back after Kyle was well and truly muzzled. Will they demand the same of Jones.

  231. Abbott, unlike Malcolm Turnbull, waited until mid-afternoon on Sunday before offering the lame lament that Jones’s statement was “completely out of line” while failing to condemn it. What was Abbott thinking? He was wrong on timing, wrong on content and wrong on absence of condemnation. It was a no-brainer. He conceded his blunder yesterday by toughening his rhetoric. Too late.

    Abbott and his staff are being out-thought and outsmarted. The problem has been apparent for some time. They are too slow, lack decisiveness and are unsure in broken traffic. In an election campaign, the social media activists who exploited the Jones issue will be mobilising against Abbott on a daily basis, setting an anti-Coalition agenda, confident the ABC will take up and “mainstream” their anti-Abbott crusades. Unless Abbott re-thinks his operation he will be slaughtered.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/hypocrisy-rules-but-both-sides-of-politics-are-courting-danger/story-e6frg74x-1226486865933

  232. CU @ 11.59
    what the australian does just not get when it has a go about how their poor tony will be attacked next election, social media doesn’t need old media format to get their messages out.
    so to the australian opinion writer as it has been shown, stacking the ABC with johnny howard appointees is just too late. social media doesn’t need the abc for anti-coalition fact distribution.
    no wonder murdoch so wanted to either buy or destroy the nbn

  233. Catching up @ 10:53 am

    The visitor must have access to the family computer again. It has been nice to have a rest from him. Knew it could not last.

    Better than that CU, I now have another PC and a new wireless network at Chez Hall that means that I can be online even when my wife and children want to be on line Now I can be online more often 😎

  234. Miglo, I could be wrong, but the name Simon Berg, rings a bell among those that appear.

    The visitor has taken our advice and has taken advantage of technology of this century.

    Might even begin watching QT, so he can give his opinion on what he sees.

    Good on you visitor,

  235. paul, I do hope he spends the time surfing the net, widening his knowledge, so he has something new to come back here and tell us about.

  236. Just a thought.

    Alan Jones has a lot of godchildren. A lot.

    That means in 30 years time, a good sized proportion of liberals in the federal coalition could be god children of Alan Jones. That would make him the official Godfather of the Liberal Party.

    I suppose Abbott misunderstood the concept of ring kissing and Jones has not bothered to enlighten him otherwise.

    http://ashghebranious.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/kiss-my-ring/

    Wonder if any of those young uni students were among his godchildren?

  237. Its simple Paul just as Tony Abbott is not at all deficient in terms of his personal veracity I am also enjoying an adequate suffency of both facts and and the ability to use them.

  238. What facts Iain, you never use facts, just your opinions with nothing to back these opinions up, just like TA and AJ, they are all full of hot air and lie to the community.

  239. “ts simple Paul just as Tony Abbott is not at all deficient in terms of his personal veracity ”

    This could not possibly mean that Abbott always tells the truth. Why the ,man himself admits he lies. that sometimes he gets it wrong. Has been caught out bare face lying that many times, it is not funny.

    A couple for starters. Had nothing to do with setting up fund to destroy Hanson. Did not visit the Cardinal in the early hours of the morning.

    I am sure others can add to the number.

    I think he might have t6old Hockey he was not running against Turnbull. Little fuzzy on that recollection.

  240. Define precisely what you mean by “facts” Please Paul because you seem to be implying that nothing is true with out a hyperlink which is a terrible shortcoming of the chattering classes

  241. Iain all I am saying is that you do not back up your arguments with facts, Like when you said Incandescent Light bulbs were more efficient than LED lights, there was no reply.

  242. Maybe, but saying something does not make it fact.

    Need back up proof. How one does this their own problem.

    Yes, the hyperlink within itself does not prove truth.

    I am still waiting for someone to tell me why they believe Abbott will do better.

  243. He will not give an answer to that either. I think, conservatives think that they are always right.

  244. This from CNN

    Sydney (CNN) — Australia has a female prime minister. Her name is Julia Eileen Gillard.
    Australia also has a shock jock commercial radio broadcaster and his name is Alan Belford Jones. His dislike of the prime minister is as legendary as his typically adoring, right-wing retiree listeners are loyal.
    The two have been involved in an almighty collision that is proving commercially and politically disastrous for Jones and a likely polling gift for Gillard.

    Even the Americans are getting in on the act.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/03/world/asia/australia-jones-gillard-outrage/index.html

  245. Iain, define what you consider to be a fact in your arguments, I think we would all like to hear.

  246. I am also enjoying an adequate suffency of both facts and and the ability to use them.

    Just to shy to then I guess 😉

  247. Stop feeding the trolls folks, they choke on facts and are in serious danger of puffing up and exploding with self importance. If you ignore them them they go back to their insignificant little lives and sustain themselves eating their own shit.

  248. There is a real disconnect here for me anyway.

    A week or so ago in Brisbane a woman was bashed so severely by an ex-partner with a baseball bat (in front of her two small kids) that she was placed into an induced coma in hospital. There are numerous health problems as a result including broken bones and the loss of an eye. The ex-partner will be facing court on serious charges. There was the appropriate level of abhorrence, her work colleagues have started a fund to assist her in the future and everyone that hears the story is (justifiably) appalled. The root cause of this event is bullying, victimisation and intimidation.

    In the past Jones has popularised “Juliar” as a name for the PM, berated her on syndicated radio, appeared at functions that accuse the PM of inappropriate relationships with others and state (regardless of the venue) that the PM’s father who recently died did so because of the actions of his daughter. All of these actions have received wide publicity around the world and are textbook examples of mental bullying, victimisation and intimidation where Jones is the aggressor or supports the aggressor.

    Why has Australian society descended so low that the first example (physical bullying) is rightly condemned by all that hear about it, the other (mental bullying) isn’t?

  249. What get me is that comments are starting to make out that the PM is milking her grief for all she can.

    The PM has made to statements re her father. One in the house, and the other thanking people today.

    There was not even a funeral to fill the air waves with.

    Her father’s death was kept as private as it is humanly possible.

    A small family get together in the lounge room was all that occurred.

    The PM is not responsible for the ruckus of the last week. That belongs to Jomes and the young Liberals, along with their leader.

  250. Iain, seeing that you are enjoying an adequate suffency of both facts and and the ability to use them, why don’t you put them to good use.

  251. Good question, 2353.

    I think it’s because people can’t see the injuries on a victim so they make the wrong assumption that there’s nothing wrong with them.

    Plus there’s a stigma in this country that prevents people from admitting they are mentally ill, even if it is caused by trauma. In that regards we are a very immature nation.

  252. paulwello
    October 3, 2012 @ 6:03 pm

    Iain, define what you consider to be a fact in your arguments, I think we would all like to hear.

    That is a truly stupid request Paul because you need to specify which comments you are referring to for it to have any point. That said your attempt to avoid answering my challenge is actually more than a bit sad and shows your own weakness in debate.

    Tom R
    October 3, 2012 @ 7:24 pm

    I am also enjoying an adequate sufficiency of both facts and and the ability to use them.

    Just to(o) shy to(o) then I guess 😉

    No false modesty in me Tom

    Ricky Pann
    October 3, 2012 @ 7:24 pm

    Stop feeding the trolls folks, they choke on facts and are in serious danger of puffing up and exploding with self importance. If you ignore them them they go back to their insignificant little lives and sustain themselves eating their own shit.

    I’m actually a naturally modest man Ricky, perhaps you need to find some humility as an alternative to your more usual arrogance, hatred and hubris.
    paulwello
    October 4, 2012 @ 12:10 am

    Iain, seeing that you are enjoying an adequate sufficiency of both facts and and the ability to use them, why don’t you put them to good use.

    I do, every day Paul

  253. “John Gillard spoke of his love and pride for his daughter,” the man read.

    “He would have died knowing that she, Australia’s first female prime minister, is, as history will show, the most vilified prime minister by far in Australian political history.

    “I dedicate this letter to your father, John Gillard – a Welsh coalminer, a psychiatric nurse, a loving father, a much-loved father and husband.

    “And I dedicate it in the name of everything that’s good and pure and true and decent.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/moving-tribute-to-pms-father-at-forum-in-tasmania/story-fncynjr2-1226487669657

    Is it from one of our ‘wordsmiths’ in hte media with a national voice? No, from the like of them, we get jokes about the matter. This is from a guy in the crowd.

    Well done for shining a light where segments of our media dares not tread.

  254. Tom they showed that on TV this morning, and it was a very moving scene. As was stated for every one of the nasty vindictive Jones’s and followers there are many more decent and caring people out there.

  255. DON’T be fooled. This vicious campaign to silence Alan Jones isn’t to stop him from ever again being rude.

    No, it’s to stop the 2GB broadcaster from attacking the Left.

    It’s also to smear Opposition leader Tony Abbott by association. It’s that cynical.

    As I’ve said repeatedly, Jones was cruel and offensive when he told Liberal students at Sydney University the Prime Minister’s father died last month of shame at her lies.

    But don’t tell me Jones’ noisiest critics have never heard anything so shocking from their own.

    Foreign Minister Bob Carr demands that Abbott apologises to Julia Gillard for unacceptable remarks by someone not even a Liberal, yet is silent when Bob Ellis, his long-time speechwriter, accuses Gillard of shedding girly tears and playing hooky by going home weeping after her father’s death.

    Immigration Minister Chris Bowen berates Jones for appalling comments but dismisses as a mere diversion his wife last month retweeting a text noting Jones was just eight years short of the average lifespan and sighing: “Patience my pretties.”

    The ABC has staged a hysterical group hate of Jones, yet ABC host Jonathan Green tweets Alan Jones to die contemptible and alone.

    Regular ABC guest Catherine Deveny can urge a sponsors’ boycott of Jones, yet tweets homophobic sneers at him – and still gets column space at The Age after saying of its former editor I hope he gets a . . e cancer.

    Labor can demand Liberals no longer appear on Jones’s show, despite being led by a woman whose staff whipped up a mini-race riot on Australia Day to falsely frame Abbott as a racist.

    Labor can sanctimoniously accuse Abbott of inciting Jones’ rudeness, yet have had a national president, Carmen Lawrence, endorse in writing a Rock Against Howard CD with tracks such as John Howard is a Filthy Slut and Gun Him Down.

    No abuse of Liberal leaders has been too extreme for the Left now feigning shock over Jones.

    The ABC’s Q&A auctioned shoes thrown by a guest at John Howard. The ABC hired Marieke Hardy even after she published comments (by a follower) telling her she should have taken a piece of glass and torn (Brendan Nelson’s) face to shreds.

    It is a human failing to forgive in friends what you’d damn in enemies.

    But the hypocrisy here goes beyond mere partisanship.

    It is also sinister – an attempt to silence those whose true sin is not being offensive, but offensive to the wrong side.

    Something for you all to consider source

  256. No, it’s to stop the 2GB broadcaster from attacking the Left.

    He’s been doing it for decades, and nobody has called on his to stop.

    No, this is all about stopping the national debate from sinking any further. Very simply put, jones stepped over the bounds of good taste, again, and then refused to after an unconditional apology.

    Attack anyone you want, but don’t use a soap-box to promote anger and bile. That is what people want stopped.

    It is as stupid as bolt trying to say that his loss in the court recently was anything about free speech, it wasn’t, it was about denigrating people with lies.

    Putting up straw men arguments is no defense, it is merely enabling this kind of behavior.

    As I was shown at the daily yesterday, while jones has always been a party political hack, he was never as violently hateful towards the Labor MP’s as he has been since the loss of the last election. It is the unhinging writ large.

  257. I would suggest that the Rock against Howard CD..well, has anyone ever heard of it? To the contrary Jones receives msm publicity and constantly.

    A typical tactic, attempt to make the perpetrator appear to be the victim.

  258. According to Paul Sheehan organisations such as Change.org have become “a lynch mob” ganging up against poor diddums Alan Jones.

    Of course it’s different when it’s Jones is being called to task, Jones on the other hand can run an endless hate campaign against Julia Gillard..and at his leisure.

  259. “the Left does it too!!!!!!!!!”
    All good Joe Goebbels stuff, accuse your opponent of what you’re doing yourself.
    Political discourse has always been rough & tumble but what’s at issue here, & elsewhere, is the gradual demolishing of any standards at all by the Right. It’s been pointed out that a lot of political debate relies on convention, essentially a what goes round comes round politeness. It’s that which is being trashed by the Right for political gain.
    Plus of course outrage in some sections of the Right leaning media that their position as arbiters of all that’s heard is being threatened.

  260. Bob, and the proof is the photo of Abbott standing in front of the Ditch the Witch sign. I have always disliked John Howard and intensely (slimy worm), but there is no way that Howard would have lowered himself to that sort of standard.

    And Sheehan called it “a lynch mob” what does Sheehan think that Jones’ mobs were?

  261. They’re sure are a huge laugh the Right.

    Across the Interwebs many are calling out for the Left and Gillard to “toughen up”. It’s all about “free speech”.

    Now they are playing the victim card, and in so doing saying they are wimps whilst stating they shouldn’t be criticised for their hate attacks thus suppressing free speech.

    Always the hypocrites wanting it every which way. The unfettered right to be as vile and nasty as they want for those they are against whilst demanding they never be criticised in turn whilst demanding those who criticise them for their vile hatred be suppressed and silenced. Demanding freedom to say or do what they want whilst demanding freedom be denied to those they rail against. Ltd News is a good example of the latter.

  262. Min
    Don’t think I’ve seen that particular shot before. He’s in good ranting form there eh?
    There is of course (at least) one other photo of him there, looking positively smug underneath the placard.

    P.S.
    You’ve probably heard it, but there’s a line that goes;
    There are two human constructions visible from the moon- the Great Wall of China & the Self Pity of Andrew Bolt. There’s soon to be a third?

  263. All that the Right is doing is yet another *look over there* – Jones was an a*sehole and community sentiment has rightly turned against him except for (as Jane put it), Mr and Mrs Blue Rinse.

    I would likewise say to the Right, toughen up princess, and no amount of huh, wadd’about you statements is going to change the fact that Jones was/is an aforementioned a*hole.

  264. Bob..all style and class Tones and Bron stand proudly in front of a sign saying Bob Brown’s b*tch. At the time the msm said Not Tony’s fault, it was his minders fault for not noticing the sign. Clearly Tony, Bron et al were blind, deaf..and dumb.

  265. Whilst Jones may have stooped real low, it appears his ego and self-opinion remain firmly entrenched high up on the pedestal.

  266. Actually Iain this

    paulwello
    October 3, 2012 @ 6:03 pm

    Iain, define what you consider to be a fact in your arguments, I think we would all like to hear.

    That is a truly stupid request Paul because you need to specify which comments you are referring to for it to have any point. That said your attempt to avoid answering my challenge is actually more than a bit sad and shows your own weakness in debate.

    demonstrates that you are well aware that ALL you comments have no factual basis.

  267. 2353
    On the contrary most of my comments are entirely factually based and the problem for the likes of both You and Paul lays in the inferences that I draw from those facts. You see I don’t suffer from the mental illness that is leftist thought and that frees me from the intellectual errors common to so many folks here.
    😎

  268. ““John Gillard spoke of his love and pride for his daughter,” the man read.”

    The man that read this was very passionate, voice breaking at times. Not to sure the whether the emotion was caring or anger, that the PM was being treated in such a manner.

    The audience showed immediate support for the letter.

    Whether this was a closely picked audience or not, one will never know

    . What is known, that the PM was asked many tricky questions, which she answered with openness s and aplomb.

    The PM’s open cabinet meetings are always worth taking the time to watch.

  269. On the contrary most of my comments are entirely factually based…

    Ooh, the right-wing troll made a slip-up. It implies that some of his statements are based on lies.

    I just love it when the trolls practically admit they are trolls.

  270. Nothing wrong with attacking the left. Do not think this PM is bothered with that. The PM is always capable of dealing with whatever they throw at her, whether in the media, or in the house.

    Every woman knows that to deal with sexaul and the abuse the PM has had to endure, is hitting below the belt, and has nothing to do with her role as PM.

    Every woman knows that it is impossible to deal with.

    When the likes of Jones, continues in this manner, it is aimed at all women, who believe they have a role to play in public life. Who believe their views are worthwhile.

    No, we are not asking that JONES AND HIS ILK BE SILENCE. wE ARE ASKING FOR THE ABUSE THAT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH TO CEASE. nOT MUCH TO ASK FOR REALLY.

  271. silkworm
    October 4, 2012 @ 2:56 pm

    On the contrary most of my comments are entirely factually based…

    Ooh, the right-wing troll made a slip-up. It implies that some of his statements are based on lies.

    I just love it when the trolls practically admit they are trolls.

    😆
    my statement means no such thing Silky, it just means that sometimes my comments are either based upon emotion or that some of them simply seek clarification.

    Catching up
    October 4, 2012 @ 2:56 pm

    Nothing wrong with attacking the left. Do not think this PM is bothered with that. The PM is always capable of dealing with whatever they throw at her, whether in the media, or in the house.

    Its all about his attacking the left CU If he had been as gross and hurtful to someone like Tony you would be saying its OK

    Every woman knows that to deal with sexual and the abuse the PM has had to endure, is hitting below the belt, and has nothing to do with her role as PM.

    Are you saying that Gillard has been sexually abised CU? Thats news to me 😮

    Every woman knows that it is impossible to deal with.

    How can you inist that Gillard is tough enough to endure any thin g thrown at her and then say this? Where is the logicla consitency of your argument? entirely absent I reckon 🙄

    When the likes of Jones, continues in this manner, it is aimed at all women, who believe they have a role to play in public life. Who believe their views are worthwhile.

    Have you heard the expression “if you can’t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen? CU. Any role in public life is tough learn to deal with it.

    No, we are not asking that JONES AND HIS ILK BE SILENCE(d). wE ARE ASKING FOR THE ABUSE THAT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH TO CEASE. nOT MUCH TO ASK FOR REALLY.

    Cut the crap YOU are wanting him silenced and his latest foot in mouth moment is just the excuse you and others here have been dreaming about.

  272. I don’t suffer from the mental illness that is leftist thought and that frees me from the intellectual errors common to so many folks here.

    Must be very lonely in that rarified atmosphere you reside in. Not many I would say, measure up to your uniqueness, I would say.

    It is a shame that most of your words flies above our heads.

    Maybe you are correct, the fault lays with us, not you.

    We must be terribly wrong, because look at the number of trolls that visit, to enlighten us.

  273. If you say so visitor, it must be true.

    For me, it is about attacking abuse, then you know better what is in my mind and what my intentions are.

  274. What was the final numbers of the petition. It appears there are many out there, that have sympathy with our views. A number, I suspect is rapidly growing.

  275. Might be news to you, but many women, including myself, see what is handed out to the PM as sexual abuse. It is abuse based on your gender or sex. It is definitely sexual intimidation. It is wrong.

    Twist the words anyway you wish. There is more to sexual abuse than rape and sexual assault.

    it is an attack base on your sex.

    I am sure you would see it the same way, if this campaign was directed against your beloved daughter.

    Remember those cartoons of Pickering, you found so enjoyable. That was not sexual abuse?

    I think the inference was that the PM uses a strapon, to emasculate men, including Abbott.

  276. How can you inist that Gillard is tough enough to endure any thin g thrown at her and then say this? Where is the logicla consitency of your argument? entirely absent I reckon.

    What I AM SAYING, IS NO WOMAN CAN FIGHT AGAINST THIS TYPE OF ABUSE.

    It is not a sign of weakness, it is a fact.

    All a woman can do is take action through any legal process that is available

    Must have upset you. typos and spelling errors in that comment.

    Visitor, maybe you can tell me what they hope to achieve by this gutter behaviour.

    I am also sure that the PM will survive. The PM has up to now. That does not mean that it should continue.

  277. That means if any women cannot take the gender abuse aimed at her, she has to get out of the kitchen.

    Have a better idea, lets make it a level playing field by dump any abuse based on gender.

    That includes the Labor handbag or hit squad that appears to have offended Mr. Abbott and his shadow ministry.

    It is the Opposition that have been squealing about the abuse they are receiving lately, not the PM.

    If one gives, they must be ready to receive.

  278. Iain, You should reread you comment @2.42. Can you not see the arrogance within?
    It’s the reason why your comments are hard to take at face value.
    To suggest that those on the left suffer a mental illness demeans yourself and your arguments.
    You express opinions, nothing else.

  279. Sue, I would say that they agree with us. Pity there was not a little more information sought, such as gender and age, and maybe education.

    Would love to know where they are coming from.

  280. So Iain are u saying all leftists have a mental Illness now. now I know why I was going crazy, just reading his posts gives me a mental Illness. 😈 😈 😈

  281. Iain why is this a stupid request.

    Iain, define what you consider to be a fact in your arguments, I think we would all like to hear.

    That is a truly stupid request Paul because you need to specify which comments you are referring to for it to have any point. That said your attempt to avoid answering my challenge is actually more than a bit sad and shows your own weakness in debate.

    Iain, what challenge are you talking about, and a weakness in debate, you are the one not answering the questions given to you, so that is your weakness.

  282. handyrab
    October 4, 2012 @ 4:18 pm

    Iain, You should reread you comment @2.42. Can you not see the arrogance within?
    It’s the reason why your comments are hard to take at face value.
    To suggest that those on the left suffer a mental illness demeans yourself and your arguments.
    You express opinions, nothing else.

    Mate can’t you see the sarcasm within that comment? If it were any more obvious it would be gnawing your tasty bunny legs and sicking out the marrow of your thigh bones…

    Catching up
    October 4, 2012 @ 4:27 pm

    Sue, I would say that they agree with us. Pity there was not a little more information sought, such as gender and age, and maybe education.

    Would love to know where they are coming from.

    You can bet that none of them even ever listen to Jones and you can bet that most are confirmed minions of the left.

    paulwello
    October 4, 2012 @ 4:36 pm

    So Iain are u saying all leftists have a mental Illness now. now I know why I was going crazy, just reading his posts gives me a mental Illness. 😈 😈 😈

    As I pointed out to handyrab its sarcasm, obviously to clever for you though 😉
    paulwello
    October 4, 2012 @ 5:29 pm

    Iain why is this a stupid request.

    Iain, define what you consider to be a fact in your arguments, I think we would all like to hear.

    That is a truly stupid request Paul because you need to specify which comments you are referring to for it to have any point. That said your attempt to avoid answering my challenge is actually more than a bit sad and shows your own weakness in debate.

    Paul I asked you first and you squibbed on answering me by asking me a question in return, until you answer my original question, why would you expect me to answer yours?

  283. Now I know that he is delusional

    Paul I asked you first and you squibbed on answering me by asking me a question in return, until you answer my original question, why would you expect me to answer yours?

    What question Iain, you ask a lot of questions that make no sense, so how am I suppose to answer a question that I do not know what was asked.

  284. Iain Hall
    October 3, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

    Define precisely what you mean by “facts” Please Paul because you seem to be implying that nothing is true with out a hyperlink which is a terrible shortcoming of the chattering classes

    Here is may original challenge to you Paul Care to have another go ant actually meeting it instead of trying to avoid having to put flesh on the bones of your rather weak claims

  285. 2353
    I am always using sarcasm and it is endlessly amusing when people like you take things that I say in jest, far too seriously, Probably because you believe your own propaganda about conservatives.

  286. Iain,

    Define precisely what you mean by “facts” Please Paul because you seem to be implying that nothing is true with out a hyperlink which is a terrible shortcoming of the chattering classes.

    What I am implying, is that you talk all the time about you being right and not offering anything to back ups your claims, now if you can provide a link to back up your opinions, considering on the internet, one can only use hyperlinks, and I do not take you word as the truth.

  287. Visitor, are you saying they have no right to sign the petition because they are not Jones listeners. I do not listen, have not for years, but I am very aware of what he has said, and is saying.

    Last Saturdays effort would be enough to convince me, without hearing anything else.

    What was said was wrong. Where it was said made it worse. That none at the function raised no objections makes it unforgivable.

  288. 108,531….. slowed down to approx. 1 per min……. or 50-60 per hr…… still going…… (and by the by and by … Thomson still NO charges )…… 😀

  289. Hi all,

    Do we really think we are all fine outstanding citizens?
    Do we truly believe we are providing good, intellectual conversation?
    Do we just not care that we regularly and openly exhibit double standards while professing that we aren’t?
    I hope I’m not the only one saddened as to where we have lowered ourselves.

    I’m not better that this, but we can be better than this.

    I am going to assume that all of you are really nice people caught up in something I’m yet to understand. Also, I apologise to Shaneinqld for an incorrect assumption I made about him after reading his comments. (There are a lot in incorrect assumptions flying around here.)

    Don’t think I’ll be back (cheers from the gallery) cya.

    {Comments from this whisper)
    little piece of dog shit
    finger up a dog’s arse
    piece of lieing shit
    F* you
    F* the MSM
    P* off wanker
    selfish pricks
    w*nkers
    ‘fundamentalist Extremeists’
    PO back to your own stupid blog site.
    Abbott really is only a one trick pony
    Gillard Exceptionalism
    is a dick
    just another vile misogynist
    there are dickheads on all sides
    just another fanatical bigot
    Wingnuts in full flight
    if the Maggot was denied
    Anal Jones
    brain farts
    Stop feeding the trolls folks
    eating their own shit
    Jones was an a*sehole
    was/is an aforementioned a*hole
    I just love it when the trolls practically admit they are trolls
    look at the number of trolls that visit
    Who gives a shit?

  290. There is an old saying, if the caps fits, wear it.

    Nothing you have taken the trouble to repeat, matches what has passed Mr, Jones lips over the years.

    Remember those two. I think rallies. remember the signs they stood under.

    Those rallies which Abbott result from Abbott’s call for a rebellion, which thankfully came to nothing.

    Take you pious complaints elsewhere, they do not impress us.

  291. Gyroc4,… love your pohm, especially the non-rhyming modern format……and you have even left the spelling mistakes in…brilliant (keeping it real 😉 ) .. 😀

  292. paulwello
    October 4, 2012 @ 6:23 pm

    Iain,

    Define precisely what you mean by “facts” Please Paul because you seem to be implying that nothing is true with out a hyperlink which is a terrible shortcoming of the chattering classes.

    What I am implying, is that you talk all the time about you being right and not offering anything to back ups your claims, now if you can provide a link to back up your opinions, considering on the internet, one can only use hyperlinks, and I do not take you word as the truth.

    Paul that still does not make it any clearer what you consider a fact or a credible source to be, so when we are discussing matters of ethics or political opinion why do you think that I, or anyone else for that matter, needs to find secondary sources? When it comes down to it you are not that fond of backing up what you say here (or elsewhere)with citations either. So the challenge I set you remains unanswered. 😉

    Catching up
    October 4, 2012 @ 6:24 pm

    Visitor, are you saying they have no right to sign the petition because they are not Jones listeners. I do not listen, have not for years, but I am very aware of what he has said, and is saying.

    No that is not what I’m saying at all, In fact if you want to spend every waking moment signing petitions then you do that, My argument is that no matter how big the count it won;t achieve the desire of so many here that Jones be silenced.

    Last Saturdays effort would be enough to convince me, without hearing anything else.

    What was said was wrong. Where it was said made it worse. That none at the function raised no objections makes it unforgivable.

    His comments were gross and insensitive I get that but “unforgivable”? There are far worse sins than calling Gillard a Liar and suggesting that her father died of shame.
    You and the other rabid Jones haters here need to get off that high horse and find some perspective, buggering little boys or murder is “unforgivable” but saying something stupid and offensive is not even in the same “unforgivable” league.

  293. Petion numbers have gone ‘down’…. WTF
    latest figure is less than yesterday …. now at *with 108,008 supporters*
    ….but @ 3.16pm yesterday it was at 109,310…. I repeat “WTF”
    …. does anyone know or heard anything about the ‘drop’ 😕

  294. LOVO, I logged in twice with the same 108,008 number coming up at the 2nd attempt, however the first time I logged in the figure was around 80,000..a possibility is that the site is having counter problems.

  295. I c that he is back to his usual routine, pulling apart everything and not answering the question. your right ricky yawn.

  296. Miglo
    OCTOBER 4, 2012 @ 12:32 PM
    Whilst Jones may have stooped real low, it appears his ego and self-opinion remain firmly entrenched high up on the pedestal.

    That we look down upon from the stratopheric hights of common moral decencey..

    FActless Troll:

    “You see I don’t suffer from the mental illness”

    Denial personfied.

    “I’m actually a naturally modest man Ricky, perhaps you need to find some humility”….

    Modest of means and capacity indeed….Humility is reservd for those who earn respect.

    “Define precisely what you mean by facts”

    Yeah I guess the factless troll have a huge problem with what that word actually means..

    FActless troll…the cut and paste cowboy….yawn yawn yawn.

  297. “ Ssh “these days speakers of the fact and truth get bullied and they must be taught a lesson to speak only off a socialist menu,

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