Open Thread has had a name change. Welcome to Café Talk.
I was originally going to call the blog site Café Talk but it was taken, so I replaced it with Whispers. It fits the political culture here in Canberra; everyone sitting around coffee shops whispering political scoops.
Here we don’t intend to be so secretive. Talk about anything.
The new open thread is up – renamed Café Talk. 🙂
Yes I remember you telling Nasking and I that same story, could it be almost 2 years ago.
Yes, two years in a few days. 🙂
Migs, just an idea for a birthday topic.. but maybe The Best Of..but that would be some task, as there would be so many to chose from.
That’d be too big a task, though it would have been fun. There are over 76,000 approved comments on the blog.
Migs, quite right..too many excellent comments to choose from.
I love this one from Gary Foley:
Why celebrate Mabo Day?
After all, native title is the equivalent of someone stealing your car and then two hundred years later offering to give you only the wheels back.
What I do not find surprising is that a newspaper that has gone all out at Craig Thomson has a poll that;
“Majority has no sympathy for Thomson
MORE than 50 per cent of voters believe the opposition’s pursuit of Craig Thomson was either reasonable or did not go far enough, while fewer than one-third feel the Coalition has overstepped the mark.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/majority-has-no-sympathy-for-thomson-20120603-1zq53.html#ixzz1wlkJyJDC
Deep in the article, by Coorey we have this chink in the Fairfax heavy attack on Thomson, when did Kathy Jackosn become the “supposed” whistleblower:
“Meanwhile, Mr Thomson’s supporters in the union’s internal battle are keen to turn the spotlight on the supposed whistleblower, Kathy Jackson.
In February, the Herald reported an email alleging Ms Jackson had laundered money through a colleague’s bank account, which Ms Jackson emphatically denied.
Six weeks later, expenditure by Ms Jackson was referred to Victoria Police by the union’s acting general secretary, Peter Mylan.
Documentation on those transactions have been leaked in recent days but the police had declined to investigate, telling Ms Jackson there had ”not been a complaint of criminal behaviour”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/majority-has-no-sympathy-for-thomson-20120603-1zq53.html#ixzz1wllep11o
So it looks as though Fairfax goes to Kathy Jackson for a response to possible police investigations.
Why not tell us Fairfax had gone to Peter Mylan for comment.
This is an issue which has not been addressed…
And the conclusion is spot on..
from a comment
The NSW government is asking the Federal Court to appoint a barrister who has spoken out in support of Health Services Union national secretary Kathy Jackson as administrator of the union’s East branch.
In a submission lodged with the court, the state government has nominated Sydney barrister Jeffrey Phillips, SC, as its choice to take over the day-to-day running of the disgraced branch.
The Federal Court is due to start a three-week hearing on Tuesday to decide applications by a number of parties, including the NSW and federal governments, to appoint an administrator to the branch.
HSU acting national president Chris Brown said on Friday that lawyers acting for him and other branch secretaries would object to Mr Phillips’s appointment.
Mr Phillips, a specialist in industrial law, is a general editor of the legal journal Workplace Review. In a recent article for the journal, he praised Ms Jackson, one of the parties in the case.
“If ever anyone needed whistleblowing protection in the trade union movement it is the former HSU boss Kathy Jackson,” Mr Phillips wrote. “Jackson must be a very brave and strong person to have put up with the abuse and vile innuendo she has suffered since she started this campaign on behalf of her members.
“Even if there be no corruption, the level of entertainment expenses incurred by some HSU officials is breathtaking. Perhaps the gulf separating union officials and their unions’ membership may be a reason that in some areas of the nation more unionists vote for the Liberal National Party than for Labor.”
Mr Phillips told the Weekend Australian Financial Review on Friday that the article “speaks for itself”.
Ms Jackson is understood to have made a submission that all positions in the East branch be declared vacant apart from her role as honorary branch president and the role of deputy secretary Marco Bolano. It will be opposed by the HSU branch and HSU officials led by Mr Brown.
Sydney legal sources had said Mr Phillips was a member of the NSW Liberal Party’s Vaucluse branch but he said that was incorrect. He had been a member in the past.”
Bloody hypocrites, talk up Australia to foreigners, while talking down Australia to Australians.
“LIBERAL front bencher Joe Hockey has talked up Australia’s economic prospects, should Europe collapse, in an interview he gave to overseas finance writers.
But at roughly the same time his boss, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, was warning that the Federal Government was weakening Australia at a time of “international economic storm clouds”.
Mr Hockey, the shadow treasurer, told reporters from Bloomberg TV financial service the promise of a Budget surplus would encourage the Reserve Bank to cut interest rates – possibly tomorrow – and highlighted our relatively low jobless rate and strong minerals exports.
“Well look, Australia is in a better position than most other Western nations,” he said.
“We have an unemployment rate of around 5 per cent, we have strong demand for our commodities and even though they probably won’t get there we have a Government that at least is promising to deliver a surplus budget.
“Not once in the brief interview did Mr Hockey mention, and nor was he asked about, the carbon pricing policy which will start on July 1
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/joe-hockey-aussie-economy-vulnerable-but-can-handle-euro-meltdown/story-e6frfm1i-1226383822266#ixzz1woggupw9
Meanwhile on the Gold Coast Abbott was even more negative.
Sue, do you think Hockey is up to something.
Isn’t it amazing how sometimes things come together. Over a year ago Migs suggested that I should find out more about Lupus and so Debra Freeman Highberger has become one of my best friends. Debra is a Lupie and of course a very talented artist. Plus has written some of the most inspiring articles for this blog.
In all my time on the blogs which is more years than I currently want to count, the most special time was this one: Imagine the privilege of being a part of the story of artist Debra Freeman Highberger and Aimee Mullins. Both of these wonderful ladies are still my friends.
I think Hockey was just confident the Australian msm would ignore his comments to Blomberg. Lets see how long it lasts in our msm, that is the hypocrisy of the msm. If the Coalition says something “controversial” it may be reported BUT it will be late at night or a Saturday, also it doesn’t stay in the news for long.
Now we will watch to see if Fairfax or the ABC have a story and then watch to see if any journalists radio, tv, print get to ask Hockey/Abbott or even Robb on it tomorrow.
The Brits have been trying to undermine Europes Carbon reduction targets. (apparently the push is from prominent tories and i bet if the guardian investigates they will find murdoch is behind it)
“British officials repeatedly trying to prevent the adoption of European Union rules on energy efficiency, curtailing the proposals and making them voluntary rather than mandatory in many cases. In addition, the UK has tried repeatedly to ensure that the EU does not adopt a new target for renewable energy generation.”
It being the year 2012, isn’t it finally time that Australia entered the 21st Century.
I am certain that below will be howled down, but isn’t it about time that Australia recognised the impact of the social media. It’s called working with it, instead of against it.
Particularly pleasing to myself is at last indigenous history and culture is to be a part of our children’s education. Are we the only country in the world which doesn’t/has never done this?
This is very, very disappointing.
Migs, that is indeed exceptionally disappointing. I would have thought that Pure Poison was an essential part of Crikey in addressing media issues specifically.
Does these findings surprise many. There are a lot of people who do not care about democracy. In my day, if a PM was hayed and the policies so despised, many thousands would have been out in the streets.
That does not happen today. We have a few small gatherings. but nothing to write home for.
I have a suspicion, that most just do not care.
One for the books. By the way, I believe she wants a administrator and all position declared vacant except for her own. This is not a first for Jackson. She has used the courts in the past to get all opposition candidates declared invalid.
There was a message from wixxy that he’s working on the next instalment. I’ve popped links to recent over on Media Watch.
I would like to bring to ones notice, the price on carbon emission is only a small part of the CEF. The Opposition is once again saying it is going to be easy to unravel. Maybe it is time for them to be asked, what are they going to unravel.
New Abbott slogan. If the TV can find them, why can’t the government stop them.
I believe there have been 14 charged and convicted within the country.
Handy link to have.
How did we miss it?
Here is wixxy’s response. As he notes, I’ll bet that he never expected to be front page on The Australian..
CU @ 4.01
It appears Ms Jackson’s legal team better have some answers for the judge by 9.30 am tomorrow. Also this must be the first time Kathy Jackson has cancelled a press conference.
I reckon I know how that people smuggler was able to hide in Giralang, ACT. It was probably due to an AFP demarcation dispute. You see the AFP has 2 masters, the federal policing and the local community of the ACT policing.
They could each blame the other for not doing the proper investigation.
Sue, the issue of people smuggler operatives in Australia shouldn’t come as much of a surprise. This is why Australia has been working with the Indonesians to address the issue at it’s source, the people smugglers. The attitude of the former Howard government was to punish the victims – the asylum seekers and the impoverished Indonesian crew members. The real villains of the piece are the people smuggler organisers both in Indonesia and Australia. Asylum seekers would be only a tiny fraction of their trade, their main business being sex workers.
The AFP issue is a real bone of contention in the ACT. So smugglers in Australia is a given, hiding in the ACT would be a Canberra joke. Now for that particular family in the 4 Corners report, the number of public houses they are occupying won’t go down well.
Now I won’t mention the big new homes for the AFP and ASIO. Well I will actually, did you know that after securing and having renovated a building for the AFP, the then Commissioner said it wasn’t big enough, And the ASIO precinct, its the biggest new show in town.
“The building will offer 40,000m2 of net lettable area, and will accommodate up to 1,800 people and operate 24 hours per day”
More history if one is still interested.
Could that house of cards be collapsing. The judge to day did not think much of Kathy’s ramblings.
As I said, el gordo, much wind, little substance.
Just a note about the alternative Australian flag which Migs posted in one of his topics. This is with thanks to William on the Café’s FB site: Name: Reconciliation Flag. By: Brendan Jones (1995)
Migs, you wouldn’t live near a wind farm. If so, that could explain your ongoing illness.
That aside, I hope you are feeling better.
Vexnews are now carrying a story on the mysterious payment of $22,000 for legal services to a former HSU employee living in Hong Kong and a red sports car
Tweet from: Alan Kohler @AlanKohler
Today’s GDP growth is a bit awkward for us gloom merchants. Oh well, things’ll be bad any day now…
Retweeted by Jonathan Green
Watching Hockey today, is a sight to behold. He started off so well at 6.00 am. Sadly his day got worse as it has gone on.
Have not seen Abbott, suspect he has scurried down his hole again.
Talking of holes, Mr. Hockey made a funny comment. He said that Mr. Abbott is one that you would want in a fox hole. At the sound of gun fire, he would be the first over the top. Mr. Hockey could not be reading our blogs, could he.
It was a aside that came out of thin air.
Min, it appears the gloom merchants are being held to account fir the first time. Why they have waited 12 months is beyond me.
Maybe the business world is screaming, enough is enough
Sue, nothing amazes one with this woman, except for her ability to take so many in.
It is amazing how easy easy the shadow front bench is to con. How many are we up to now.
Ashby, Jackson, and the Utegate.
They have great trouble with emails.
PS They also have great trouble with truth.
Now who drives one of these/
On Hockey and the fox hole, did he mention which direction Abbott would be running when the firing began.
Or even when Kathy Jackson starts talking at the HR Nicolls dinner.
CU the MG-B was a great sports car, although I prefer my silver MX-5.
Yes Sue, out in front. We seem to have different ideas on this site.
Cu at 2:39.
Getting there. Slowly.
Sue, Kathy was told not to talk at that dinner by the HSU. Not that will stop her.
If anyone gets the chance, and wants a bit of entertainment, listen to the Hockey PC.
I believe Hockey is in shock,
What Australians want is stability, certainty, predictability. If we had those factors in play coming out of Canberra, we would be doing even better.
Now how does that fit in with the only promises that Mr. Abbott has made, that of dismantling all this PM has done.
How does that fit in with the prospect of two three or more elections in quick succession.
That does not sound like stability to me.
The exact words were that Swan was not someone if you were in the trenches, and he blew the whistle, you would jump over the top for. It appears I got it a little wrong. I assume you would for Abbott.
What Hockey seems to be ignoring is the patch work economy we have.
Where one takes from the strong sectors to bolster the weak. In other words, share the wealth.
Not that hard to understand.
Hate to be a nark.
Could it be Venus. After all it was Venus that led Captain Cook to this wonderful country of ours. Maybe the gods have decided to smile on us, and it is nothing to do with Labor at all. We all know that Labor can only do bad, therefore all bad is laid at the feet of Labor. Any good must be in spite of Labor, or as the Opposition now says, should be better.
I like the way the pictures at the top of the page randomise with every page refresh.
Cuppa, that was one of my rare flashes of ingenuity.
Migs, just in case you missed it..am still waiting for a contact for you.
On Capital Hill, Jamie Briggs, Gawd Bless Him, was trying to give an apt analogy of the economy and the treasurer.
Jamie said, The economy is like Black Caviar and what you want for a jockey, is not Fat Albert but a Damian Oliver.
Now when it comes to comparing the treasurer and the shadow treasurer, who do you reckon looks like Fat Albert and who Damian Oliver.
Now I bet the punters would much rather Swan to Hockey, every day of the week.
Where is he. We seek him here. We seek him there. Where has the Abbott escaped to.
Prostitute talk wars in the commercial current affairs programs.What a joke, what self rightousness
Looks as though Craig Thomson won’t have to worry about his legal bills, thank you A Current Affair, for trying to entrap Craig Thomson into answering false allegations.
Now just when the prostitute retracted her sworn statement will determine the settlement.
News flash on Prime around 5pm. The prostitute who said she had been a customer of Thomson’s and had been paid with by a HSU credit card has apologised to Craig Thomson.
Apparently it was all baloney and she has withdrawn all statements after being interviewed by the police.
How many other accusations against Thomson are going to be withdrawn and how many against Jackson and co. are going to come to light?
The big issue, according to the ABC news online, for the hearing on whether the HSU should be placed with an administrator
“On the second day of the hearing, the Federal Court was told it may mean job losses for union officials and that national secretary Kathy Jackson could lose her $270,000 salary.”
Now I am sure all the HSU East members will have that as their number one concern.
Now I am confused but wasn’t it Kathy Jackson who sent affidavits to the court last Saturday? http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/judge-questions-kathy-jackson-contact-20120605-1ztgi.html?skin=text-only
And who prepared the affidavits for Kathy Jackson, her partner or her lawyers? So how can you then proclaim being defamed?
“Lawyer David Rofe told the court he has been engaged by Mr Lawler, who is not even a party in the case. Mr Lawler is Ms Jackson’s partner.
Mr Rofe said Mr Lawler’s name has been mentioned in a defamatory way in a number of affidavits that are part of the case.
But Justice Flick said the lawyer was proceeding prematurely because decisions have not yet been made about the affidavits.”
Sue, the apology I am waiting for, is from a certain Opposition leader and his offsider.
Jackson was trying to get everyone else sacked but her.
I wonder if ACA are googling the term ‘defamation’ right now?
Tom, defamation is always a good one..where you can think that you can say what you like..then the chooks come home to roost.
then the chooks come home to roost.
A few of them appear to be roosting right now. The court case doesn’t appear to be heading in the right direction for the libs right now either 😉
Bloody hell they are certainly trying to do their best to put down the good economic figures for the government on ABC at the moment.
One economist said the word tax as many times as he could to intimate how bad this government is, but the taxes he mentioned were all taxes bought in by Howard or in place before Labor came to government.
As record massive mining investments are mentioned just about every week they had a mining spokesman saying that because of this government’s carbon tax, high dollar and high operating costs this is not the place to invest in. For a starters the high dollar is a direct result of the massive investment in Australia, so it’s his fault, not the governments.
By the way the two states with negative growth figures are the Liberal states of NSW and Queensland.
That’s correct Mo, Queensland had a natural disaster and NSW is still struggling out of an economic black hole…left by Labor.
Well it should help pay the legal bills. Stop him from being bankrupted.
Of course el gordo, it is always Labor’s fault.
This is whether they are in power or not.
Could not possibly be anyone else.
I seem to remember that NSW has a little flooding, along with Victoria. Of course when it effected the Feds income, it was not the floods but bad management that was the trouble.
Hang on el gordo Labor left a surplus, O’Farrell blew into a deficit in his first budget.
O;Farrell was elected to fix it and he said there would be no excuses. Well he hasn’t fixed it and not only hasn’t he, he hasn’t made any moves to fix it and every measure has gone significantly backward under his stewardship. In 15 months in government he has done very little except prance around for photo and TV opportunities whilst breaking just about every promise he made. Even breaking his promises is a broken promise as he promised he wouldn’t break his promises.
So the question is just when is O’Farrell going to fix things as he promised as his highest priority, for every day he prances around doing nothing for the State the more it’s going to cost the NSW people down the track.
Just fix it Barry.
As to Queensland. I see they are going to fix things by destroying the Great Barrier Reef and much of the environment whilst allowing the mega rich who fund their party to get off on traffic infringements.
Yep that’s going to get that state back on track.
The msm was always so worried that Thomson could have been bankrupted. By golly gosh it could have led to a change of goverment!
it appears the prostitute contacted ACA was told on 21 may and said story unreliable but ACA went to Thomson on 24 May, if true payout should be huge
The woman said she had told A Current Affair on May 21 via a text message that she was now “totally unsure” that she slept with Mr Thomson, and was therefore “not a credible witness.”
She said the program went ahead anyway three days later and broadcast the allegation without her knowledge, permission or consent. “Once (reporter Justin Armsden) aired it, I felt really screwed over.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/mistaken-identity-prostitute-unsure-if-she-slept-with-thomson-20120606-1zwed.html#ixzz1x0cmppNC
Now what was that about a media review
“Labor MPs took to social media to blast the network and media standards. Labor whip Joel Fitzgibbon declared on Twitter: “Bring on the tort of privacy! Bring on Finkelstein!”
Victorian Labor MP Steve Gibbons said the imbroglio underscored the need for a media inquiry. “Media outlets who print/put to air a story knowing it to be false should have their licence to broadcast print suspended for … ?” Mr Gibbons tweeted.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/mistaken-identity-prostitute-unsure-if-she-slept-with-thomson-20120606-1zwed.html#ixzz1x0csrYQO
I suppose now would be a good time to look at the laws of trying to intimidate a politician.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/mistaken-identity-prostitute-unsure-if-she-slept-with-thomson-20120606-1zwed.html#ixzz1x0hYIkl3
Anyone know what this means
Anyone know what this means
I have no idea CU, but I’m looking into it now 😉
Min will be along shortly to explain it for us I hope
Tom it appears to be something that might or might not occur under common law.
Not too sure if they are saying it is about time it was bought in as law.
I suppose the question is, do we have a right to privacy.
I believe that Jackson has done no more that she attempted last time the union had the administrators in. If my memory is correct she tried to influence the courts then. She was not successful, but she was not challenged as she is being this time.
Severe case of @r$e-covering being attempted by ACA?
IMO – this is going to cost them shiploads more than the $60K they originally offerred 😉
Tom, just for you, suing in tort is suing as a civil action which compares with a criminal action. Suing in tort may be claimed by anyone offended such as defamation.
I would speculate that a privacy tort would mean actions which were meant to be private but were made public with malicious intent. It’s close to defamation.
That other article wasn’t doing anything except make my head hurt (more)
Sore head, hey Tom. Have you tried having a beer?
As the woman’s credibility is obviously now seriously an issue, something we strongly suspected,
One may well ask, WHY THE HELL ADVERTISE IT SO VIGOUROUSLY THEN?
I hope the suffer big time for this.
Tom, an interesting part of law, thoroughly enjoyed it plus constitutional law.
Have you tried having a beer?
If I thought about it long and hard, I might realise that the source of the pain may well lie with the beer itself.
Hence, I am not thinking about that at all 😉
Tom, that’s utter bullshit. You’re probably soaking in it.
I am becoming confused. We now have two prostitutes. Now I might not have that right.
hic, washat a mig that jush flu pasht?
Cu, the last one was a dud. ACA spent 90 minutes talking to Thomson today about fresh allegations. Me thinks they’ve damaged themselves enough as it is, without trying to pull new rabbits out of the hat.
Probably Bacchus flying past Tom. 🙂
We now have two prostitutes
Actually, you might find that one is actually a journalist, although, I guess prostitute sounds better on the resume these days
😉 (just for the sarc)
And the first one said ACA put her up to it. Grubby stuff.
Can anyone tell me what they were doing on the 6th June 2005.
After consultation with Victorian Fraud and Extortion Squad detectives it became clear more than one escort associated with Boardroom Escorts was allegedly involved.
Is there something not quite right about releasing details of an ongoing police investigation, simply because you are trying to cover your arse with mud so no-one can see the shit?
I know what I wasn’t doing, Cu. I wasn’t with a prostitute.
Can anyone tell me what they were doing on the 6th June 2005.
(probability indicates this anyway ) 🙂
Migs, prove that.
I was with Tom R on that night. 😳
I am watching, do not ask ,me why, the Queens celebrations. The cost much be enormous. What for. The country is in dire straits, but there is still money for this rubbish,
Migs, not good enough.
I commented earlier about what were the affidavits that Lawler was so unhappy about that he needed representation in federal court today.
Well it goes to last December when G Hayes,HSU, complained to FWA that Lawler had telephoned him at home on behalf of Kathy Jackson.
“Earlier in proceedings barrister David Rofe asked permission from Justice Flick to be able to counter allegations made by some officials in affidavits including one by acting assistant general secretary Gerard Hayes.
Mr Rofe told the court that “some of the references to Justice Lawler are highly defamatory allegations”.
“If put to cross-examination they would be shown to be false and fabricated,” Mr Rofe told the court.
“This constitutes gross interference in his rights as a citizen, and as a prominent citizen, and a federal court judge,” Mr Rofe said.
He asked that Justice Flick make an order that any such allegations made against Justice Lawler be suppressed.
Justice Flick said he was not prepared to make such an order. “A lot of allegations are made against a lot of people, none of which I have to get involved in,” Justice Flick said.
But he granted Mr Rofe leave to apply to make an appearance on behalf of his client if any such allegations were to come on to the public record.”
There is a special on the Iraqi wheat scandal tomorrow ABC 1
It appears the only one that does not have any rights is Mr. Thomson. Watched that interview with the prostitute. I am inclined to believe her.
CU, from the En-Passant link
Why is it that with the economy going so well, people are so angry, apparently with Labor?
It truly is hard to put a finger on it. I’ll give it a go but 😉
“We’re having a horrible time in retail … there’s certainly no bounce in our step,” Harvey Norman boss Gerry Harvey said
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/money/money-matters/bouncy-wayne-swan-out-of-step-with-a-nation-of-realists/story-e6frfmd9-1226386839034#ixzz1x2snDxA5
Well might Wayne Swan proclaim them as a victory but it would be best not to look in the rear-view mirror for long. It’s what’s ahead that’s worrying everyone.
Fear is the Key (with thanks to Dickinson/Gers …We live in fever….)
I also note the oo is running that this is all entirely due to mining. While it is probably the main driver, it is not alone, and it is not only the mining states leading it. There is also no indication that the mining tax will slow it at all, much as the oo would try and have people believe.
One of the most important drivers of Australia’s above-trend economic growth over the last year has been household consumption. In seasonally-adjusted real terms, household consumption rose by a stonking 1.6% in the March quarter alone, and by 4.2% on a year-on-year basis. Household consumption is now running significantly above the 3.6% per annum long-term average since 1959.
And the chooks are eventually coming home to roost..all that it takes is time and patience…
Heading for minus five in Canberra tonight. Unusually warm for this time of the year. 😯
Time to put on the long johns Migs….
Something which you might not see in the newspapers..teachers on the march Melbourne.
Why, what difference does it make. One can have any visa rebuked at any time.
It appears from what the police said this man has been under observation since the day he landed. Which would not be surprising, as the boat arrived without crew.
How does Mr. Morrison once again knows more that the authorities involved. He might have been more use to the police left where he is.
It is time politicians stepped back and let police get on with the job.
The Justice system should not be a play thing of politicians.
Min. Brumby was the previous Labor leader. Is that an old picture?
Sugar Mobius..must get new glasses.
Try this link…
Talking about the police letting that man go because of lack of evidence. Someone remind us that they arrested Haneef with no evidence. How much did that cost us.
I am sure they can bring him back, if the need arises.
He would not have run, if others did not push their nose into police business.
There are 12 other police inquiries going on. Will they also flee the country now.
Another thing you see in the MSM, but I heard passing mention of it on ABC local radio.
We are all dead.
The big talk from Howard and business at the time of WorkChoices was flexibility that would lead to productivity gains. WC failed in that respect and Howard’s excuse was that it wasn’t given enough time.
He was wrong as workers were never going to work harder and produce more for less.
Increased productivity, the best in over a decade, should be splashed across the headlines and lauded by the MSM as it’s something they have been decrying for sometime. Big business should be crowing that production is increasing yet they are preaching doom and gloom if they don’t get huge tax breaks and cheaper labour.
I’m fairly certain of one thing, and it will be kept mum by the MSM if it happens, productivity will probably go down under Abbott for the same reasons it was stagnant and went down under Howard. His response, at the behest of big business, will be to bring in WorkChoices under another name in the name of flexibility and increased productivity.
Oh and that links shows another example of News Ltd directly lying and distorting facts yet again.
It really is about time the media in this country is bought to heal for their lies and decits.
Mobius, you forget that no matter how good the economy is now, after July 1 we’ll be a third world country. I doubt there’ll be any shops open in the whole country. No industry will survive. You won’t even be able to buy a ham sandwich at the corner deli.
How many corner delis are left.
Cu, I’m sure I saw one in Cootamundra.
Look how the far right greek politician treats female politicians from the left.
one gets a glass of water thrown at her, the other gets slapped across the face, all on morning tv
Sue, I am not too sure our women get treated any better. Watch the Senate QT ir hearings and see what Senator Wong for one endures. At least this mob are honest and in the open.
Migs. no interest in visiting Coota.
Yes I am angry. No longer is it believed in this country that one is innocence until proven guilty. One can be accused by anyone, with impunity.
The police pointed out today that the man under observation. They let him leave the country. They have no concern here, as they said if further evidence emerges, they can bring him back. They know where to find him.
That idiot Morrison, has said they could have locked him up of TPV were still in use. Just like they locked Haneef up after the police let him go because there was no evidence that he committed any crime.
We want these idiots back in power, that have no respect for the law or judicial procedure.
The Federal police said today, they are investigating up to 12 other groups. I wonder how many of these will fail because the Opposition once again, using law and order as a political football.
Some excellent news..contributor Tony B now in remission. It’s news such as this which always gives one hope.
It is indeed good news Min.
this on Adelaide ABC am radio now
RGGI States Cut CO2 by 23 Percent in First Three Years
The predictions of economic collapse and suffering ratepayers? Not happening.
Once again, real world experience proves that absurd doomsday scenarios about cap and trade pushed by pundits and political disinformers are wrong.
“A three-year summary of America’s first carbon trading program was released yesterday. The news is pretty good for anyone who cares about reducing carbon emissions; it’s inconvenient for anyone hell-bent on preventing America from implementing a carbon pricing plan.
According to the program administrator of the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) — a nine-state cap-and-trade market established in the Northeast in 2008 — average annual CO2 emissions have fallen by 23 percent compared to emission levels before the start of the program:
Now how will Abbott and the msm spin this as BAD
“The man in charge of the national broadband network says he will forgo annual bonuses worth more than $300,000 because of personal objections to short-term incentive schemes.
Mike Quigley told BusinessDay he had philosophical problems with the idea that a bonus would make him work harder and he would never accept one as chief executive of NBN Co.
“I came to an agreement with the board that I would not participate in the bonus scheme. That’s my personal decision. My motivation for taking this job was to get this network built,” he explained.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/nbn-chief-voluntarily-surrenders-bonuses-20120608-200xj.html#ixzz1xBCLkvaW
One of mine on a number of issues including children people smugglers and the incarceration of young males all in the name of “coming down tough on..”.
I received a message that my Twitter account may have been hacked because I’m allegedly sending everybody recipes. Has anybody else had the same problem?
Migs, that was what I was trying to let you know about this morning from EddieL.
Yes indeed after all this time, I finally took your advice and learnt how to Twit. 😀 EddieL messaged me.
min, did you sort it out.
I’ve just changed my password to be on the safe side.
Amazing, our most precious possessions actually cost us money. Is Mr. Abbott saying, we should have them for free.
Talk about the sense of entitlement, we have all come to believe is our right.
A man that knows the cost of everything, the value of nothing.
What was frightening about hos speech today, was how rational he sounded. It was not his usual ranting,raving and three word slogans.
Saying that, it was still based on lies and misinformation.
We all know, that to solve the Child Care problem, all that is needed is nannies. Maybe he can rope in some of those lucky mothers on welfare.
Maybe they could take a child or two in, to care for, while the wealthy mothers are out at work.
After all, we do need a even playing field.
Who is playing the class war card.
Cu, fortunately I wasn’t effected. EddieL wanted the message passed on to those concerned.
Oh yes you were Min. 😦
According to deddiep yours was hacked too. Check your tweets to verify,
I don’t think you’ve been “hacked” as such Migs – just some malware spreading through Twitter. If you search for that site, you get hundreds of twitter accounts with a link to the site. My virus scanner won’t let me open the page in the link.
Do you have some sort of virus protection on your iPhone Migs?
Of course my government will know better than the police and legal system, when it comes to crime. We will just take the whole lot over.
These silly notions of procedural fairness, innocence until proven guilty and needing admissible evidence before locking someone up, is just rubbish. Mr. Abbott is promising to put a end to such nonsense. At least that is what I believe he is saying.
Eeekkkk!!! Thank you Migs, you’re a treasure. Now all I have to do is to work out how to check tweets..you’re talking to a non-technological newbie here…
And if hacked what do I do about it. Double eekkkk!!
By the way, the Federal Police do not seem too concerned about that man leaving the country.
They said they knew when he left. Not enough evidence to pick him up. Also they said, if the situation changed, they can pick him up, as they know where he is.
Why is Mr. Abbott still trying to use the matter as a political football. He should pull his head in, and allow the police to get on with their work.
I suspect he is only a minor player anyway.
I have been getting fummy email mesages from the mail server. Cannot seem to stop it. Does not appear to cause harm.
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
host mxs.mail.ru [184.108.40.206]: 550 Message was not accepted — invalid mailbox. Local mailbox email@example.com is unavailable:
user not found
—— This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ——
Cu from the link to The Age article..warning bells…warning – warning…
Go for it Tones, what are your suggestions?
It’s telling you that the user “centernot” doesn’t exist in the mail.ru domain CU. Either that user has been deleted from that mail service, or it’s an incorrect address to start with.
mail.ru is a Russian free e-mail service, perhaps like hotmail or gmail…
Thank you Bacchus..care to translate into English 😉
So Bacchus, I didn’t have to change my Twitter password after all?
I found 2 entries and deleted them. Nothing else so far..fingers and toes crossed…
CU is sending an email from her PC. It’s looked at by her ISP’s mail server, which works out that it needs to send it to another mail server for delivery. The other mail server looks at the address on the email & tries to find the user, but that user doesn’t exist, so it sends a message back to CU’s mail server to that effect. There – easy isn’t it? 😆
I’ll put it in snail mail terms:
* CU writes a letter, addresses it, and puts it in the post box.
* Australia Post looks at the address on the letter and determines that it must be sent to Russia as that’s where the address specifies it has to go.
* The Russian post office tries to deliver the letter, but the address doesn’t exist – perhaps the house that used to be there has been pulled down, or CU put the wrong address on it.
* The Russian post office sends it back to Australia Post saying that the address doesn’t exist.
* Australia post passes this info on to CU.
I have sent nothing that I can think of. I have come to the conclusion it must have been a flagged message. Run everything I have. It appears to be fewer coming through.
Contacted the mail server, got no reply.
Finding where it originally came from is the problem. Appears to be going around in circles.
Not sure about that Migs – probably wise to do so anyway.
What devices do you use to tweet from Migs. Obviously your iPhone, but anything else?
Thank you Bacchus..clear as mud. 😦
No, I only tweet from my computer, which I’m not on often.
Can you check your “Sent Mail” folder CU?
Your “Windows” computer Migs?
Bacchus, for me desktop and my iPad.
Nothing in Iprimus or Hotmail.
The “i” devices are less likely to pick up malware than Windows machines Min. Apple lock their operating system down quite tightly so it’s more difficult (but not impossible) to spread malware on Apple machines.
Just make sure you’ve got anti-virus software on your desktop (or any Windows machine.) I use the free avast anti-virus which has never let me down.
Oh I am so stoked at the moment.
Headline Channel 7 evening news, “O’Farrell Broken Promises” in big white letters on the backdrop and O’Farrell’s face large and prominent.
Then the story that follows details a set of his broken promises including the latest one of sacking 10,000 public servants and puts the opposition leader up front highlighting O’Farrell’s failures.
There is only so much the MSM can cover up for in failing Liberal governments, and when those failures and litany of broken promises are blatant and numerous, and the public murmurings over them begin to become loud mutterings and threaten to turn into vocal protestations, then the media has no choice but to report the Liberal government failings and broken promises.
Bacchus, I used to use avast but Norton came free with my new desktop. When I tried to reply to the person who was trying to alert us to the problem my iPad wouldn’t let me..obviously for a reason.
Oh and the, “I’m a much better economic manager than Labor Premier”, after delivering a $2 billion excusable deficit in his first budget because of fixing some infrastructure, is now turning a forecast $900 million surplus into a deficit. A $1.1 billion turnaround, but with nothing to show for it in the last 12 months.
Mobius and Oh I am so stoked at the moment. Sweet victory. 🙂
ABC also reporting the litany of O’Farrell broken promises with O’Farrell’s Treasurer blaming it on world events outside their control.
And it’s a $290 million surplus now being a $926 million deficit for the $1.1 billion turnaround.
Increased speed cameras and now a 12% increase in traffic fines across the board, the bad news under O’Farrell has become a flood.
These are all things that O’Farrell as opposition leader continuously beat the Labor government with, and it was the constant berating that won him the election. He is now using the same excuses he berated the Labor government for using and is blame shifting, running as fast as he can from his failings. Telling also that after being front and centre for most things over the last 12 months, swanning around for every photo and TV op he could, O’Farrell is now very conspicuous in his absence, with his ministers wearing the brunt of the media’s grilling.
‘…the public murmurings over them begin to become loud mutterings and threaten to turn into vocal protestations, then the media has no choice but to report the Liberal government failings and broken promises.’
I agree, but it also goes for any government…because that is what the media do.
No el gordo, that is not what our media has been doing, and we have shown you enough examples of them breaking their own guidelines to prove it.
So if that is the case, where is media exposing the litany of Abbott lies, distortions and broken promises along with holding him to account for the promises he has made that he has no hope of keeping?
Also where was the media holding O’Farrell as opposition leader to account for all his blatant lies and distortions whilst the media engaged in distortions in attacking the State Labor government?
Yesterday we had stories of hospital waiting lists being doctored.
Has anyone seen the Jackson stories on any of the news, on any channel.
‘where is media exposing the litany of Abbott lies’
Abbott is not the government, he doesn’t have to be held to account. Do you have a list of O’Farrell’s supposed lies?
Some lies for you to contemplate El Gordo, alas not the barrells,…… sorry if Im not following the line of the thread, not meaning to act like a Troll 😀 and butt in…. 🙂
While my comrades gather stuff on right wing politicians…I will say a few words about the weather in the UK.
‘… the inclement weather looks set to continue. In fact, forecasters have warned our flaming June is likely to be… flaming awful.
‘The temperature will struggle to get anywhere near the 19C (66F) average for this time of year.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2155614/Firms-prepare-lift-hosepipe-ban-20m-customers-pictures-prove-water.html#ixzz1xCKetCSa
Cool wet summers in the old days meant starvation and were usually accompanied by harsh winters, with monstrous seas and storms.
This is a cooling trend.
Why the double standards el gordo?
When Labor was in opposition the Liberal government continously stated they had to be held to account as they were the alternative government. Abbott started by saying he was the alternative government and only shifted away from that when questions were asked, not by the MSM by the way, as to what alternative he had to offer and could come up with nothing but three word jingoes.
Not being in government is not and has never been an excuse for any political party not to have policies or not to be held accountable to the people.
So if I understand you Labor had to be held to account when in government or out of it. The Liberals never have to be held to account.
If you haven’t been following O’Farrells litany of lies then you are either not a New South Welsh person, have been living in an alternate universe or have deliberately decided to keep your mind closed.
I pick the latter as you do the same with AGW.
Again changing the subject and bringing in short term weather events to make a point, and as always wrong.
Tell us el gordo why do you only pick cooling weather events to highlight and always ignore heat waves around the world?
Also tell us how come a short time ago you were saying the globe was warming, before that cooling, but the latest was warming, only it was natural, now you have it cooling again, so what is it? And will you stick to it with credible evidence to prove your contention.
I really don’t know what it would be like to go through life being so wrong on just about everything, but I need only look at el gordo’s efforts here and I get a little inkling of it.
See I can play el gordo’s silly games as well.
Exceptionally warm temperature spike seen across U.S., Canada, and UK
September 28, 2011 – LONDON – Met Office forecasters say the hot spell will last until Sunday after a weather system which usually bakes Greek and Turkish beaches was pushed thousands of miles northwest by high pressure. The warm weekend will represent the highest October temperatures for 26 years.
As for this year:
Heat wave kills 15 in West Bengal
Amazing Stats from the March 2012 ‘Heat Wave’
Videos for 2012 Heat waves
March 2012 United Kingdom heat wave
250 people dead in Andhra Pradesh heat wave
2012 Texas Heat Wave
This is a warming trend.
Is this wishful thinking, or talking the economy down. More likely the latter.
Mr. Abbott has gone down a path of campaigning, that is can only succeed if the economy fails. He cannot allow the PM to have one success. If the PM has no successes, we also pay the price.
Yes, el gordo, this man looks like be our next PM. We at least have a right to know what he is about, or do you say, we take him on trust.
el gordo why does the prospect of a CEF upset you so. If you are correct, what is the worse that will happen. What does it matter whether man made change is real of not,
The worse is that a little money might, in your eyes be wasted. I as sure the economy in the long run will recover.
We will have alternative fuels, that will lessen our dependence o oil and the middle east.
In the long run, renewal fuels will be cheaper, cleaner and more efficient.
el gordo, you waste so much energy on something that in the scheme of things, is not that important, if we are incorrect..
Cu, if Mr Abbott thinks people will believe that load of rubbish then he surely is a stark raving lunatic. Either he is delusional, or he talks complete bullshit.
El Gordo is a seed sowerer, part of the ‘think tankerer’ sow the seeds of doubterers… 😀
Hope it pays well El Gordo… well I supose it must, I mean such a hard working self employed cleaner from a regional area on a low wage has gotta supplement their income some how. 😆 …. I know this blog must be having an impact cause your here…… and I wouldnt want you to leave anyhoo, ’cause as Ive stated previously read’n your meme shows me how not to be !!!!! A true Merchant of Doubt… El Gordo (the skinny one) …… F’n great thunk tanked ya got there if ya cant fool a labourer from the bush 😕
nothing on jackson on the tele. i just rely on wixxy and vex.
surprised to see th papers with their story on the court proceedings.
i wonder just how many articles the bloggers will have to write before the msm finally decide to do an “explosive ” “breaking” or “exclusive” expose of the whistleblower who was the real crook.
Sue, “i wonder just how many articles the bloggers will have to write before the msm finally decide to do an “explosive ” “breaking” or “exclusive” expose of the whistleblower who was the real crook.
She will probably be on the Queens honour list next year, mm…..
Nothing anywhere I believe. Appointing as administrator in itself was a story. Especially it is a matter that could bring down a government. I suppose two young swimmers visiting a shooting range is more newsworthy.
I have no love for guns, but that beat up is bordering on the ridiculous. Once more trial by media.
When once challenges a high court judge and accuse him of not doing his job, in itself a story.
When one accuses another judge of being in cahoots with a governments minister, generally draws attention. Not much of the Glen Stevens speech either.
PS. I forgot, she also demanded the judge resign.
So Cu, Abbott has called for more imaginative ways to include Aboriginal people in the mainstream economy. Goodness, last year he was calling for more interventions.
What will he call for next year? Assimilation? Genocide?
Mo we know from experience that when the summers are cool/wet in Europe and UK then this usually means a cooling trend.
I’ll look for a link….
I forgot, the lady also demanded the judge allow her to cross examine all those in her affidavits. There are allegedly hundreds of pages in her documents/ The court will be sitting until Christmas to get through the list.
Who does Jackson believe she is.
I’ll start with something easy….the world stopped warming 15 years ago.
‘The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
‘The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming–Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html#ixzz1xCtDjdyC
Now this is a great example of how Murdoch press can turn a story on a “bad liberal” into its all “labors fault”
“THE State Liberal MP under investigation for using his taxpayer car and fuel card for commercial purposes was once a Labor member.
Besieged Frankston MP Geoff Shaw is being probed by the Ombudsman and a parliamentary committee amid claims he used his electorate car to deliver goods for his private companies.”
Now I am not reading any more of this tripe as it is more than likely the story will say that poor Ted Bailleau is probably now having to fix up a mess that was caused by this chap who once met J Gillard
Oh, El Gordo, how true to form you are…. thank you, Im so glad you paid me the compliment, mm…… ya can fool some of the people etc…. 😀
Mo to understand climate change its important to analyse weather trends over a decade or more and there is a cooling trend.
With the O’Farrell government its not important whether he lies or not…the people only want progress and aren’t all that involved in the political intrigues which brings it about.
Unlike ‘you lot’ the average punter is not all that interested and are primarily concerned about the hip pocket nerve.
SMH big story tomorrow, apparently
Craig Thomson, how much the ALP paid in legal fees, he would have been bankrupted, the gillard govt would have fallen etc
so still pushing the attack on CThomson, not interested in anything else.
Tingle on Lateline. She pointed out that it was the government in that deregulate the milk market. Hockey is wrong to say carbon tax is destroying the milk market.
el gordo, who cares. When are you going to come up with something new.
“Unlike ‘you lot’ the average punter is not all that interested and are primarily concerned about the hip pocket nerve.”
Well they better stick with this PM
I fail to see how the media could ignore the orders made by the court today in relation to HSU East.
I am sure that Thomson will have money over, when he begins to collect his may defamation cases that are in the pipe line.
El Gordo, seeing as Bacchus,ME or Tom(G)RR arnt here, I’ll just say.. oh, another of your throw-away lines…..
“Unlike ‘you lot’ the average punter is not all that interested and are primarily concerned about the hip pocket nerve.”… no, I’m not !
Sue, nothing new in the story. It is between Thomson and Labor. As far as I know, there is nothing illegal in the transaction.
Not half as interesting as to what occurred in court today.
hsu court case? whats that say msm
exactly, once Thomson gets the chance a few news organisations will need to pay up. he can then pay back the ALP.
It is so disgusting that with all the antics of Jackson the media seems to have lost interest,
Where are the front page spreads with caricatures, such as pinocchios and rats or even an evil witch, and bold headline “we don’t believe you”
Ah, Sue, can’t besmirch the Abboott or his besties missus …… ya just gotta disappear it..and claim how the Gov.au is ‘mud-erering the waters……
“Mo to understand climate change its important to analyse weather trends over a decade or more and there is a cooling trend.”
Not quite correct and wrong. The trend is over many decades and it’s warming. Show us the empirical and credited evidence that it’s cooling. And you haven’t answered the fact that only a short time ago you stated the trend was warming, but its natural. How come you often flip between warming and cooling?
“With the O’Farrell government its not important whether he lies or not…the people only want progress and aren’t all that involved in the political intrigues which brings it about.”
Crap, utter crap. It’s all about the lies and again you ignore my questions to you, something you always do when asked something that proves you wrong, which is just about always.
Again you’re applying double standards. The previous Labor government was continuously hounded over lying, and it was O’Farrell as opposition leader leading the charge. He was there front and centre almost daily accusing the government of lying even when they proved they weren’t. He made a huge thing in the election campaign about his would be and honest government and he and his ministers would be held to account for their dishonesty. So it’s extremely important that O’Farrell is lying and a big thing should be made of it, and it’s good to see that the media finally are doing just that, but only because the people are beginning to make a big thing of it.
And progress, what progress? On just about every measure NSW is going backwards at a greater rate than under the previous Labor government. And things that were progressing with the previous government are now declining under the current government. The things O’Farrell said were of the highest priority and he would fix on getting into government he’s shoved off to committees that are not to convene for a long time down the track, all the while the things they are to convene on are getting worse. By the time the committee sits the thing they are investigating will be a wreck.
Whilst O’Farrell lies, breaks promise after promise and allows NSW to decline he allows the big end of town every break and favour he can give them. The caged egg industry being the latest where O’Farrell at the behest of the big four producers has introduced legislation that will see the smaller caged egg producers, the barn and free egg industries collapse. He has been doing this for big business from the day he got into power and it’s the only thing he has made progress on and moved at any great pace with. The caving in and selling off of NSW to vested interests. Something all the new Liberal governments have done from the day they one power. No one moved faster on this front, with the Great Barrier Reef being sacrificed as a result, than Newman in Queensland.
“Unlike ‘you lot’ the average punter is not all that interested and are primarily concerned about the hip pocket nerve.”
There is some truth in that, but it’s not a saviour for or an excuse for O’Farrell as the average punter is going backwards under him, and he is doing things like changing the IR laws, sacking thousands, favouring the big end etc. that sees the average punter’s hip pocket empty to the point they are grumbling loud enough for the MSM to start reporting unfavourably on O’Farrell.
‘And you haven’t answered the fact that only a short time ago you stated the trend was warming, but its natural. How come you often flip between warming and cooling?’
The 20th century was warm, everyone agrees. The warminista say that this warming was created by industrial CO2, whereas the Denialati believe the sun is solely responsible.
Since the strong El Nino year of 1998 the temperatures have come down a tad and plateaued for 15 years. World temperatures have stabilised, even as CO2 continues to rise, so natural forces seemed to have the upper hand in the debate.
The cooling trend, which is clearly visible in the UK weather, is probably caused by the lack of activity on Sol and nothing to do with human ‘pollution’.
While I’m at it the Gergis et al paper may end up in AR5 even though its being roundly condemned as another broken hockey stick. Climate Audit, Watts and the Bish are all discussing it as we speak.
Even on Bolt
Why flee. Maybe to get away from the media.
O’Farrell has presumably had to backtrack on some issue because of economic necessity and the people don’t care if he lied.
All the people want from Barry is infrastructure building, like the Parramatta Road revitalising project.
‘…and it’s good to see that the media finally are doing just that, but only because the people are beginning to make a big thing of it.’
This is good news, governments should be held up to ridicule, but ultimately the only thing that matters is the infrastructure building, which should give the Coalition a second term.
Baird brings down the NSW budget on Tuesday and the people are already pleased that they will sack 10,000 public servants.
The government idea of scrapping stamp duty (if you buy of the plan) is smart politics.
(if you buy off the plan)
Cu @8.32am..I am of the opinion that it would be highly unlikely that there were no people smuggler operates in Australia. This does not fit in with some who I believe, are wearing rose coloured glasses about the “wonderful people smugglers”, but the fact remains that people smuggling for whatever purpose is a crime. This fact being quite separate from peoples’ right to seek asylum.
At last, a good piece from Hartcher..it’s been a while…
“the people are already pleased that they will sack 10,000 public servants.”
Lets hope all the shops and small businesses and home buyers/sellers are all pleased with the loss of spending of these 10,000 customers.
Min @ 9.15
Lenore Taylor has a similar theme to Hartcher. What a shame that these 2 journalists have waited until now to do an anaylsis of the “Abbott of Doom” vacuous argument on the Carbon Price.
It will equally take the msm the arrest of Kathy Jackson before any journalist finds any evidence of wrong doing in their “whistleblower”.
Electricity bills: be afraid, but not of the obvious
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/electricity-bills-be-afraid-but-not-of-the-obvious-20120608-201da.html#ixzz1xFM5wVqq
Some common sense on the Carbon Price, not that el gordo will buy it as CDF and el gordo are total opposites.
el gordo @.8:30 AM What a load of disjointed nonsense that didn’t answer anything.
I won’t even go into the crud you posted on O’Farrell, which again didn’t answer anything and even had you mind reading the people of NSW.
And the excuse made for O’Farrell is the same excuse made by the previous Labor government, but they were pilloried for it and the one leading the attack was O’Farrell, who by the way said he wouldn’t make excuses if he was in government but has done nothing but make excuses since.
So yet again the double standard is on display.
Abbott brain farts yet again.
Wow, CU, does this mean that their abc is sitting on channel nines side of the fence as one of the worst examples of media manipulation in the country? Running stories before validating things, or, as it appears in the 9 one, after validating, knowing they have it wrong, and then still running it?
And I also note that, even though this is on the front of the oo, it is surrounded by stories declaring that, due to what the abc story apparently ‘reveled’, it is evidence of Labors border ‘failure’.
Now that is really giving both sides of the story lol. Ignoring facts though, but still both sides.
Sue, and 10,000 public servants gone is going to do wonders for house prices, with the downward trend already being blamed for lack of consumer confidence.
Sue @9.23am..a strong urge to front them and say come on..tell us what you really think…
On Tony Abbott from yesterday and..
Greg Jericho @GrogsGamut
Oh to be on welfare so I could have kids for financial gain… http://bit.ly/Le1Q6R As dumb as it gets.
Yay for me. 😀
Abbott brain farts yet again.
This is the dipshit who accuses Labor of playing class warfare? 😯
Yay for Min. the Tweet Queen!!
ME @ 9,27
Tony should know! He with 3 kids decided to get into politics, then when he got a demotion, thanks to the voting public in 2007, he found he couldn’t live on his new “welfare” salary and opted for a much bigger mortgage. He also decided he didn’t want to do any work as a shadow minister, so stayed home and wrote a book.
Wow, he’s really off the reservation
Paid parental leave ought to be paid at a person’s wage rate, like holiday pay and sick leave, because it’s a workplace entitlement, not a government benefit.
I guess, being a workplace entitlement, workplaces should foot the bill, not Government? That should make him friends with the employers 😯
Wonder if he gets called on any of this?
Princess, if you don’t mind Tom… 😉
oops, faux pas
Seems all the talk and opinions of Abbott’s one track negativity and talking down the economy whilst being a policy free zone must be biting, he’s now attempting to ellucidate policy, very badly mind you, but still it’s talking about policy.
Yet his current brain farting illustrates the problem for the opposition and his minders. The moment he moves to policy he’s all over the shop, sprouts very expensive nonsense and adds billions in unfunded liabilities to the Liberals budget bottom line whilst not being in anyway believable all while alienating one group or another, often groups that are traditionally conservative supporters.
This is great – source unknown:
At the cash register of the store, the young cashier suggested to the older gentleman that he should bring his own shopping bags because plastic bags weren’t good for the environment.
The man apologized and explained, “We didn’t have this green thing back in my earlier days.”
The cashier responded, “That’s our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations. You didn’t have the green thing.”
She was right – our generation didn’t have the green thing in its day.
Back then, we returned milk bottles, soft drink bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycling. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.
But we didn’t have the green thing back in our day.
We walked up stairs, because we didn’t have an escalator in every shop and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn’t climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks.
But she was right. We didn’t have the green thing in our day.
Back then, we washed the baby’s nappies because we didn’t have the throw-away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine burning up 220 volts – wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.
But that young lady is right. We didn’t have the green thing back in our day.
Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house – not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief, not a screen the size of the Melbourne Cricket Ground. In the kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn’t have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send in the post, we used wrapped up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn’t fire up an engine and burn petrol just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn’t need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.
But she’s right. We didn’t have the green thing back then.
We drank water from a tap when we were thirsty instead of demanding a plastic bottle flown in from another country. We accepted that a lot of food was seasonal and didn’t expect that to be trucked in or flown thousands of air miles. We actually cooked food that didn’t come out of a packet, tin or plastic wrap and we could even wash our own vegetables and chop our own salad.
But we didn’t have the green thing back then.
Back then, city people took the tram or a bus, and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their mothers into a 24-hour taxi service. We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn’t need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint.
But isn’t it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn’t have the green thing back then?
Migs, that reminds me of when Peter Garrett put forward that he intended ban/phase out plastic bags. The OUTRAGE..mostly relating to, But what are we supposed to do with doggy do-do.
Umm, doggies were invented a long time before plastic bags.. 🙄
I now use the old plastic bags that the bread came in.
Migs, I promise I won’t go all environmental on you and say that it ends up in landfill..by the tonne. About which time you might be thinking, well WTF should I do with it then!!
..the doggy do-do that is..
on the news yesterday, they had a person bemoaning the fact their electricity bills would rise.
the person got up and turned off the air conditioner/heater and walked to the kitchen to make a hot drink. there on the kitchen bench were an array of appliances all in standby mode.
the person was dressed in light clothing.
a first hand report
Goodness..even the Herald Sun is getting stuck in..sometimes when you’re wrong, you’re just damn wrong!!
That one’s going to upset the Alan Jones listeners..
They are calling it the ‘bullet train’ but in reality its just a revamped 20 year old used on the Picton run. This costs $7 million to spruce up and the local member Toole (Nats) is sure to get reelected on the strength of it.
Very cheap pork barrel.
‘Monday’s surprise announcement by Premier Barry O’Farrell of a daily return commuter rail service between Bathurst and Sydney starting in October has been greeted with enthusiasm by the community.’
Hi Min! I’m a fanatic about using as few plastic bags as possible, even for doggie doos, although I hate seeing them on walkways and on grassed areas in parks. Over the years on our walks Tacker has somehow learned that street verges or garden areas are the places to go, particularly those with soil beds or woodchips I can easily cover and tread firmly down, maybe with an extra scattering of dead leaves or lawn clippings.
Rarely do I use a yellow bag. I think that they are too freely available and some people think they are mandatory for pet waste disposal, or forget that any kind of plastic bag can be usefully recycled for doggie waste, if they have to be used at all. I haven’t bought plastic bags for waste disposal of any kind for years. Bin liners can be made from plastic shopping bags.
You have to pay attention at supermarkets and shops generally to discourage the checkout people from using more of the cursed things than is necessary. Of course they are trained to separate items like foodstuffs, dairy produce etc. from other goods, and they do need your permission to use one bag only if possible. Having your own shopping bag helps, of course. But we aren’t always prepared, are we?
Via Migs’ Australians for an Honest Media FB group and Doug S:
Patricia, I remember standing next to a chap one time and he put 1 x banana into a plastic bag, 2 x onions into a plastic bag, 3 x oranges into a plastic bag. You guessed it, when he got to the checkout the whole lot went into yet another plastic bag.
Why would people put a banana into a plastic bag, for heavens sake. It’s not as if it’s going to get contaminated by hand-germs..unless you plan on eating banana peal that is.
I plead guilty to having a small stash of plastic bags for doggy-do purposes, but these come from when it’s only unavoidable, such as when buying snow peas..they tend to run away if placed in a general bag. Otherwise my good old hessian market bag does the trick.
A Yellow bag must be something from WA. I gather that they’re non biodegradable.
All this studying, yet he appears to know little about the law or economics.
Says it all.
Abbott. Refugees without papers not to be given refugee status. Minister to be given powers to over rule all decisions.
What he is forgetting, even if the man accused this week of being a part of the boat trade, does not mean he is not a genuine refugee.
it would not surprise me if many that get here, are assisting the rest of the family to come. Does this make them boar traders.
I wish that Mr. Abbott would desist in using the refugees as a political football.
Mr. Abbott needs to remember our system of government is based on the separation of power. That is the government enacts laws. The judiciary carries the laws out.
There is good reason for this. Recall the disasters of the Howard government when they interfered in the legal process. Haneef is one of many, that comes to mind.
There would be, I believe good reasons for the actions of the Federal Police this week. The first being, that5 maybe the man is not guilty as alleged. As they have had him under obligation for two years, they just might know better that the Opposition and the media.
It is time for some bi-partisan solutions and Mr. Abbott to stop playing politics. He is correct, it is a serious problem for all concerned. Too serious for his games.
Did you solve you email problems CU?
Bacchus..shhh, I think that Cu is currently in hyper-drive..that girl sees an issue, so is completely focussed. (Hugs and xxx).
😆 OK MIn, but if CU wants any further help with her email, I’m happy for you or Migs to give her my email address 🙂
I assume Migs got over his Twitter problem. As you noticed, I’ve created a Twitter account at long last – it’s time I started learning about these new-fangled do-daddies…
Thank you Bacchus..we’re now Twittery buddies. 😀
Cu. —–>>> Bacchus. 😀
It just gets better and better. Why is the MSM not running with this story.
They seemed to have disappeared. Have an idea where they came from. Had some funny badly written emails which I sent to the junk bin.
Min, why is not what I have put up, not in MSM.
You, I assume have been in court enough that one does not even talk to a lowly magistrate, as Ms. Jackson is talking to a high court judge in his court.
I wonder when the judge is going to say, enough is enough. He appears to be humoring her.
She actually told the judge, that Williamson was corrupt. He sis pull her up, and told her to stick to matters that were connected to her.
There has to be a contempt of court in the near future.
if this was a TV show, it would be laughed off the screen for being ridiculous.
There was something much better before plastic bags for lining ones garbage bin, It was the daily newspapers. It soaked up the liquid and broke down when the rubbished was dumped.
Because they have nowhere the investigative powers that you have. I sometimes think (hopefully not too egotistically), why can the MSM not see what you and I et al see. Are they dumber than we are? Can they not think laterally? Why is it that they, the MSM have become so intellectually inert except for a few brief glimpses?
Cu, my 88yr old mum in Hawthorn still saves all of her newspapers to wrap up her rubbish. Who needs bin liners when there is newspaper. It was a waste not/want not generation. My dad used to bring all the scraps of leather home from when he was working for Hardie Trading which was for about 45 years (yes the Hardie Trading) – these were used to resole shoes.
I was thinking..does anyone actually wear out a pair of shoes these days? Or do some types of people just throw them away when they become unfashionable.
Newspapers biodegrade quickly, there is a small problem with the toxins from printers ink, but this problem is now infintesimal compared with the landfill and other environmental problems associated with non-recyclable plastic.
‘What a load of disjointed nonsense that didn’t answer anything.’
I thought it was alright up to the last par…arrogance on my part…but as I said, the world stopped warming at the end of last century and the science proves it.
Stop trolling el gordo, you are better than that.
That was a good article Mo, who is this ‘opinion’ writer? And this par is excellent.
‘And the Coalition might ask itself what will happen if it wins the next election, and abolishes the carbon tax which it has blamed for almost everything, and then electricity prices keep going up anyway.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/electricity-bills-be-afraid-but-not-of-the-obvious-20120608-201da.html#ixzz1xH5OjrGJ
Now how the hell is Tony going to police that one. There are numerous reasons for people not having papers, for starters that their government would lock them up for 99yrs if they were found and so they never had papers in the first place, lost along the way, confiscated by the Indonesian government authorities. But let’s not let factual information get in the way of a good scare campaign….
Abbott is f*rting in the wind. There can be NO presumption against refugee status, every case must be taken on merit. Let me count the ways that Abbott cannot do thing. To explain, it’s akin to saying that if you don’t have your Driver’s Licence on you then there is a presumption that you are guilty of drugged driving.
(“…but as I said, the world stopped warming at the end of last century and the science proves it.”
That’s great news; we can recycle our possible future and put it to alternative uses, then…”The Earth has cooled since its formation, yet the decay of radiogenic isotopes, and in particular uranium, thorium and potassium, in the planet’s interior provides a continuing heat source. The current total heat flux from the Earth to space is 44.2±1.0 TW, but the relative contributions from residual primordial heat and radiogenic decay remain uncertain.”)
“Because they have nowhere the investigative powers that you have”
Min, they cannot, as it will take away from their campaign against Labor and Thomson.
As for leather, there is not much in shoes today. I am one that wears them to pieces. I hate buying shoes, as I cannot get any to fit with my feet. They only become comfortable when worn out.
Newspaper is still the best for that bin
Does one today save string, not that we see much.
PS. Today’s paper is not much good for cleaning windows. I think there is different chemicals in the ink.
Tingle bought up a point last night on Lateline, when talking about her essay.
She said there is a quick turn over in journalist. They just do not have that not have the knowledge to ask the questions.
She mentioned that story of Hockey who said he visited his corner shop which was going broke. Hockey mentioned the price of milk and attempted to blame the coming cost on carbon emission.
Tingle said that the real problem was the price war between Coles and Woolworths. An experience journalist would have reminded Hockey that the cause of the downfall was the deregulation of the dairy industry, which his government introduced
An experience journalist would have been aghast at the behavior of Jackson in court. .
Young journalist might be much better educated and cleverer than those in the past. The just do not have the memories and experiences. Only time can fix this for the,.
Afternoon Meta…they are saying thorium is abundantly cheap and harmless. It would be wonderful to see the technology develop, assuming the principle is sound.
Mo the O’Farrell govt plans infrastructure building and the blueprint will probably be adopted by the incoming Abbott crowd, presuming it works. Its Keynesian so how could it fail?
‘The Treasurer, Mike Baird, said yesterday the government faced ”immense challenges” due to the collapse of GST revenue but promised ”a whole range of initiatives across infrastructure” would be included in Tuesday’s budget.
”Predominantly we are creating the firepower for the report of Infrastructure NSW in September,” Mr Baird said.
”That’s what this budget is about. Creating and establishing the firepower we need to fast-track the infrastructure on the release of that report, and that will be achieved.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/trouble-brews-over-budget-threat-to-public-service-jobs-20120608-201fn.html#ixzz1xH8dK6sp
Cu, one day I’ll be back down at Darling Harbour and I am taking you shopping to buy you a good pair of shoes..that’s a promise.
I now own 4 pairs of shoes, that’s the most I’ve ever owned in my life. I love shoes but am difficult to fit due to having lost both big toe nails due to frost bite, plus osteoarthritis and nodules (Min waves to wixxy).
Do I see an excuse coming: that journalists do not have the knowledge. Well why not hire ones that do have. I should imagine that there are any number of young up and comers who have the time to do the research, plus the ability to put it into words. Hell, if we can do it, then why can’t the professionals?
“The Treasurer, Mike Baird, said yesterday the government faced ”immense challenges” due to the collapse of GST revenue but promised ”a whole range of initiatives across infrastructure” would be included in Tuesday’s budge”
Was not that Mr. Howard’s greatest achievement. Seems to be another flop.
Min, we have a little age on them.
Do not take me shopping for shoes, you will be sorry. I know the shop girls are.
El gordo, from your link..
So by cutting back substantially on frontline services..especially effected TAFE teachers..just the strategy we need during a major skills shortage..ummm.
Just me, but when you give large amounts of money back to the high rollers, it does not mean jobs..it means more money in the hip pocket of the already wealthy.
Funny that, give a low income earner a few extra dollars then they’re going to waste it on the pokies, but give the wealthy a million more then it’s “jobs creation”.
Cu, I’ll shout you a few beers before we go. 😉
Hey Min, Don’t forget me 🙂
Rabbit, I’ll never forget you…the world’s best hugger…plus you’ll share a cig when a person runs out. What else could a woman want. 😉
I refuse to go shopping for shoes, though.
When I have to buy new footwear, I go to Rebel sport, tell them I want the cheapest pair of joggers, size twelve, try them on , if they fit, I’m outta there. Sooo simple.
Rab’, I am likewise one of the world’s fastest shoppers. See it, do it..and then run for the nearest exit.
Rabbit, problem is that being a woman, one cannot get away with that solution.
It is all the PM’s fault, she had not let the economy go down the drain. She made a lie of me. Well that is the way I see it.
Does any one feel that the perception of Abbott might be changing.
Cu. “Does any one feel that the perception of Abbott might be changing.”
Not me,didnt like him before, still dont like him now, doubt if that will ever change 😆
‘So by cutting back substantially on frontline services..especially effected TAFE teachers..just the strategy we need during a major skills shortage..ummm.’
I cannot be certain, but my guess is that they are working towards making TAFE more relevant, directed at the major skill shortage. Up until now there have been many courses which targeted social misfits….art, pottery etc….such as myself.
This is a waste of taxpayers money and training should be aimed at putting people to work in the quarry.
‘If the Prime Minister really cared about the Great Barrier Reef and its dugongs she would immediately ban the slaughter of dugongs by aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders in Great Barrier Reef waters.’
Farmer El Gordo, plant’n them seeds…….
1. troll stays polite
2. pretends to have a reasoned debate
3. Posts outrageous pieces from climate sceptic sites prolifically.
4. Doesnt object to being called a fool
3. Repeats step three
I’m here. 🙂
I’ve just been laid low with damn viruses. 😦
I say ‘viruses’ as they tend to hunt in packs. 😦
Damnation Migs is back just as I was going to sneak down to the cellar…… prob. a waste of time as Bacchus has prob. been there done that…. and only Creme de menthe or some Passion Wine left anyway :(… let alone the smell of left-over prawns n’ lobsters…*clink* 😀
El gordo, Indigenous Australians were killing and eating dugong well before the white man came here. What right have we to stop them?
LOVO, I think Bacchus might have given the Blackberry Nip a wide berth too.
I can’t say that I can recall my TSI rellies ever having dugong for dinner, perhaps other families do. They do enjoy gathering shellfish tho’. I remember d-I-l saying that they’re allowed to.
Another of El Trollo’s throw away lines….. a water-muddier…. a’ Merchant of Doubt.’…. a paid employee of ….. mm, whom ???? ……. (‘the consortium’ as my mate calls them), for such a hard working cleaner, she/it/him ( depends on the shift) sure has a lot of time to prey..umm..play on the web……if you google blogs, her/it etc has a long history of, umm, troll-dom…( for want of a better name) ….. El Gordo thanks again for showing moi how not to be 🙂 …… gawd your such an anti-missionary…. a.k.a. a failure….. I said pet, I said luv….. 😀 …. Dont you get sick of bitting your own bum !!! 😆
Ah, Queensland… beautiful one day, Joh’s the next……(p.s. I didnt know han(on)cock was an Indian name 😆 ….. [note Abbotts Point and Kev’s Corner 😆 )
‘Indigenous Australians were killing and eating dugong well before the white man came here. What right have we to stop them?’
They are not using traditional methods, for example screaming up in a speed boat behind a dogong mob, then shooting them with high powered rifles….is unfair and will see them decimated on the GBR.
Lovo is pissed, he’s a disgrace.
Stop trolling el gordo, you are better than that.
I call bullshit. Will you provide links to backup this outrageous claim? 😉
Here I’ve corrected it for you…
Lovo is pissed, he’s
a disgracehandsome, witty, intelligent. Mind you, he could indeed have been pissed. 😉
‘In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response…’
El Gordo, El Gordo, El Gordo, It was Saturday night…. can’t a bloke have a tipple… and I dispute the imputation that I was ‘pissed’….. 3 glasses of red dosnt get me anywhere near that glorious state….. sober I wasn’t, but pissed El Gordo, another of your throw away lines.. but you seem to be forgeting ‘The rules’ especially point 1.
a refresh for you-: 1. troll stays polite 😀
2. pretends to have a reasoned debate
3. Posts outrageous pieces from climate sceptic sites prolifically.
4. Doesnt object to being called a fool
3. Repeats step three
Min @9.59 … you must be pissed 😆
Min @9.59 … you must be pissed
Perhaps it was a case of mistaken identity LOVO. Min, I’m actually over here (waves) 🙂
LOVO and Min @9.59 … you must be pissed 😆 Not yet LOVO, but I could spend later today working on it. 😀
Plus under Troll Rules is: always throw insults at others while trying to pass these off as reasoned debate, then run away to complain about it elsewhere should anyone has the temerity to fire back in kind.
Anyhoo…I’m off to an extended family BBQ up Peel way…so I have no time to loiter.
El Gordo that was a wonderful clip, you do have some human qualities after all 😀 …mind you I’ve probably missed the innuendo 😕 … ( wimp.com, blog turned 2, jive etc ???) anyhoo have a great day with the relly’s, … and dont imbibe too much, especially if driving… 🙂
Tom R, if Min does get in a ‘disgraceful’ way later, we will all look handsome 😉
Tom and LOVO, around about now any bloke would look handsome. 😉
Speaking of which I have psycho ex suddenly lobbing. That visit to the cellar might happen sooner rather than later…
What did Mr. Pierce contribute to Insiders this morning. Little of value I would suggest.
As it was said, what is wrong for a PM to fight to maintain their position. Surely one does not believe that because an Opposition believe they should be in power, the present PM should lay down and die. I am sure that is not the way democracy works.
Notice, the lady still keeps on smiling, and smiling.
Min June 10, 2012 @ 9:21am on Stand Up For The Burrup
Kevin, I was thinking of one of the greatest disservices that the anti-climate change people have given us is that it seems that ALL issues pertaining to the environment have become non-issues. The underlying theme being that the natural environment will somehow take care of itself and that we don’t have any responsibility in this matter whatsoever.
Have to agree, Could be a post on its own, Min.
I agree, Cu. I think that Piers A contributed nothing but Coalition cant to Insiders today. Karen M though was a bit softer, chose to mock the story about PM’s ‘new’ image. Still, not as vicious as Piers who deserved George Megalogenis rebuking his attack on the PM for trying to hang onto her job. There are various abbreviated versions of that intervierw but it’s a much better and in depth read at source http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/why-being-pm-has-julia-in-stitches/story-fn6ck45n-1226389880551. As you say, Cu, Julia Gillard keeps smiling and there are some great pics of her there.
I don’t think there’s anything ‘new’ in this story. Canberra has known forever about the PM being a knitter, after all. What is new is how much re-telling there is of various aspects of the interview in mainstream media. Mostly with positive angles and good pictures.
Patricia, we did have the story back before the Wong baby was born.
They tried to make a negative at that time, saying the PM pocked brown, a colour not suitable for a newborn. Bet the colour was a light fawn, or deep cream.
Knotting and crocheting are wonderful for relaxation.
I went through a time when I left my husband, for stressful reasons I will not repeat. It was knitting, then crocheting that kept my sanity. Every time, I paused, there was a needle in my hand. I was producing a top every day or so, so great was the obsession. I was thankful for the cheap yarn that was available.
Decades later, I am still wearing some of those tops. They never seem to wear out.
Funny, I do neither today. The last were the shawls I made for my three daughters, and one grand daughter.
During my marriage, it was that vegetable garden, that ended up feeding the whole street,
Yes, knitting is wonderful for relaxation.
One still cannot buy such beautiful baby clothes. Crocheting is better.
I wonder if there is anything productive that Mr. Abbott does in his spare time. Cannot imagine him building anything.
PS Funny is it not, that a bag belonging to the PM, would be labelled “PM”.
I have news for this reporter, one rarely knits for young babies. One they grow very quickly, and there has been many gifts for that age. The gifts that are appreciated, are aimed at what the child is growing into, not out of.
A very practical forwarded looking lady is our PM.
The reporter needs to look around her at the real world.
Have I got it wrong, but did not the ABC Four Corners hint that the refugees flew into Malaysia and Indonesia on false passports, provided by the boat traders. If so, one would quickly destroy them once one arrived. It is said that as long as one ios in those countries, they are in danger of being deported.
It is said that the opposite is true. Most have other documents.
What Abbott is talking about is a presumption of guilt.
Cu, I was thinking about knitting and crocheting..it’s all about giving isn’t it. Plus creating. A male equivalent might be woodturning or home brew to give to others. It’s one of life’s greatest pleasures, to give rather than to receive. Shallow lives indeed, those who only take while giving little back in return. Those whose spare time consists only of enhancing “self”, and not reaching out to others. Where people are but pawns in their own game.
When words have all faded and passed and forgotten, there are these small items, the ring which my great auntie gave me, the memory of the dress which my grandmother sewed. These are the things which endure.
Patricia, that is an article worth reading.
Cu, the Debbie Bliss patterns are excrutiatingly complex. The Wool Shed is expensive, but if one wants exclusive yarns, then this is the place to go.
Maybe Mr. Hockey is correct, Mr. Swan is the most scary thing in this country.
What he may have got wrong, is who should be scared. Maybe it is not the nation but the Opposition.
The problem for the Opposition, there are many inconvenient truths that undermine their scare programme and cries of doom and gloom.
We need to remember that tax deductions are not good for low income earners. That is why the government’s change to pay the money given for school expenses directly.
Reading between the lines of what Abbott is saying with his nanny scheme and other changes to childcare. I am sure they will go down the track of taxation deductions. This would not be good policy.
We have this government making taxation simpler, by removing another million or more from having to lodge a return.
Is it just me but when you read a headline in the Daily Tele “Carbon tax payments for students” and that article is squashed in between other fear and doom articles about the carbon tax, that it makes is sound as if students are going to be coughing up to pay.
Of course this must be wrong.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, come in spinner. El Gordo, hooked line and sinker.
A Corporate Climate Control Report (warning large PDF)
So rather than acknowledging a large majority of the world’s specialist climate scientists and their credited peer review studies, papers and research. el gordo falls for the deliberate misinformation of the vested interest corporations and their highly paid for toady scientists, most who aren’t even specialists.
An absolute must read and a wake up call for O’Farrell, the rest of the Liberal State governments and Abbott before he goes shooting off his mouth about slashing and burning government services.
What Australians Believe
Interesting article in The Economist, highlighted by Ross Gittins on Twitter:
Why business needs people with Asperger’s syndrome, attention-deficit disorder and dyslexia
This par from Mo’s link, unbelievable.
‘he estimated that a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would raise temperatures by 5 to 6°C, a prediction remarkably similar to the likely range of 2 to 4.5°C estimated by climate scientists today using far more sophisticated methods (IPCC 2007).’
As much as I whinge and moan about the formula driven shows I get to watch to keep the kids happy, every now and again, something worthwhile pops up on them
The Voice : Karise Eden sings Hallelujah
@eg ……..so, tell us , why is it “unbelievable” ? – refs. would be good.
Most of the spam that gets caught up in our spam folder are attempts to sell Viagra of penis enlargers, which I don’t mind deleting.
However, a lot we are getting lately are recipes for banana nut muffins. Damn it hurts to delete them. 😦
Pterosaur, it’s unbelievable because el gordo doesn’t believe it. 😉
Migs, yes, i know i shouldn’t do it, but sometimes 👿
I’ve heard that about penis enlargers. 😀
Only a man and a bully could blame the victims.
500,000 tonight or tomorrow morning?
I’d say early next week, Mo. It depends of course on whether one of the posts goes viral on Facebook over the next couple of days like ‘Not your average Aussie’ did.
I’m not sure – despite being an optimist – that I could repeat that success.
But you never know. 😉
I have the champers chilling Migs.
‘.so, tell us , why is it “unbelievable” ? – refs. would be good.’
Why do you think its believable?
In the meantime I’ll get a graph.
Take note… this is real science. You see the MWP but where’s the hockey stick?
The idea that CO2 causes global warming is just a theory and its failed.
What the hell is the context to that graph el gordo? You do this all the time, post a link to a picture of a graph without referring to the context, and whenever the context is given it turns out to be not what you contend it is all.
And Steve McIntyre again, please, that is not real science and you know it.
For those who don’t know this man and who pays him to come out with his discredit hokum here’s some background:
I will go some way to agreeing with you el gordo if you post the source to an active climate scientist who has posted a credited paper that supports Steve McIntyre contentions.
Thanks, Mo, and it would be good to be able to drink it with you in person. 🙂
Migs, is there a prize for the 500,000th hit ❓
Here he makes a comparison with Mann’s tree rings, which is similar to the Gergis et al paper.
It’s too hard to keep track of, LOVO. Especially if it arrives at the ungodly time of 4 am. Besides, there’s no way of telling who provided the hit. 😦
Just linking to graphs proves nothing as it has no context or explanation of the science behind the graph el gordo.
Plus as I’ve stated it’s McIntyre and his supposed science has been pulled apart and discredited many times. He is paid by vested interests to muddy waters and it works as he sucks in the clueless, who then with nary a question as to the validity go around posting his graphs out of context in blogs for no other reason than it seems to match their flawed ingrained mindset on climate change.
That’s the credentials that makes el gordo a big fan. 😉
EG pictures (no matter the number of squiggly lines) do not yet actually equate to scientific references – if you want to prove an argument, you’ll have to do a lot better – perhapsalong the lines outlined by Mo?
of course you know that, don’t you ?
trolls are a particularly low-life type of scum, imho, with their false geniality as they treat others to their lies, deceptions and equivocations and thus exhibit the contempt in which they hold their targets.personally, i find such mealy mouthed denialism cowardly and dishonest.
why not engage positively with the reality based community, rather than try and hide your fears behind your denialist fantasies?
Wow, pterosaur, brilliant.
Patricia, how is the weather treating you.
Mo its an ice core, do try to keep up.
‘their flawed ingrained mindset on climate change.’
Joker… that’s exactly how the Denialati see the warmists.
‘trolls are a particularly low-life type of scum’
The resident troll at Jennifer Marohasy would object to your particular slant, but I’m unconcerned by your ignorance.
“Mo its an ice core, do try to keep up.”
You certainly are keeping the laughs coming as your posts degenerate into one piece of nonsense after another.
“…but I’m unconcerned by your ignorance.”
And another comedy gem, el gordo, the second most ignorant poster I’ve come across in blogs calling others ignorant. A fine example of Liberal hack projectionism.
As a professed watermelon you would say that.
OK I’ll bite. Can you point out where I’ve ever professed to being a watermelon?
But I do note that you are up to your usual distraction, side stepping and quick change the subject as you’ve been caught out again when challenged.
Do you believe that the earth is warming unnaturally?
As a professed troll you would say that.
Thank the gods you’re returned, Tom.
At least I accept the ‘troll’ tag as legitimate and I’m comfortable doing my job, but most of the barrackers here don’t recognise that they are mindless watermelons.
Tom, do try to keep up.
Mo, I too am confused by the terminology that el gordo has introduced here.
I have no idea what she’s banging on about when she keeps mentioning watermelons.
I have no idea what she’s banging on about when she keeps mentioning watermelons.
Maybe it’s on a health kick?
I see hockey has decided to embarrass himself over the NBN as well (sorry if I haven’t ‘kept up 😉 )
Apart from all of the other major flaws in his waffle, I thought the funniest was when he pushed the advantages of 4G in relation to his use of an iPad. Perhaps he missed all of those front page adds that highlighted that the iPad was not 4G compliant?
Miglo, I suspect neither does she.
It seems to mean we care for the world and the people who live in it. That is a shocking thing to be be for some.
Problem is that not many here would seem to fit the picture. Maybe el gordo to enlighten us to what she finds so wrong in what we say on the site.
if we are wrong about global warming, little harm will be done. A little money expended to make a cleaner planet and a move away from reliance on fossil fuels.
If she is wrong, and we do nothing, it will endanger the planet.
As the majority of science is on the side of action, I will continue to support taking action.
Migs @8.18am and I have no idea what she’s banging on about when she keeps mentioning watermelons. Umm, she is thinking of making a fruit salad.
The thing is I have looked across this blog going back as far as possible and in the other blogs and forums I frequent and I cannot find one instance of where I have “professed” to be a watermelon.
Or is this a case of where el gordo has it wrong yet again.
But I have noted, just as I often mentally note with el gordo’s side steps and distractions, that my request for information on a climate scientist with credited research that backs up McIntyre has been ignored.
On the other hand the information discrediting McIntyre’s flawed science can be easily found.
Mobius, if it’s any consolation I’ve been labelled a feminist.. eeekkk!! Excusez-moi, but I most definitely need my bra.
….I have “professed” to be a watermelon.
See, see, you just did it then!! 🙂
Min. Being labelled and professing are two different things. I may have been labelled a watermelon in the past, though apart from el gordo’s one post I haven’t found an instance, but I have never professed to being a watermelon as el gordo asserted.
It’s OK ME
Many things have never professed to be as grodo asserts.
You are not alone 😉
Mobius and Tom, I actually had to ask Migs what a watermelon was..duh, green on the outside and red on the inside. It’s just a stupid and somewhat boring label.
Yea, Especially when, in this season of man flu, I’m actually a little green on the outside too
does that make me a cucumber? 😯
oops. a bit green on the inside I meant
I blame the man flu 😉
Meanwhile, more evidence that climate scientists don’t receive threats (deadly or otherwise)
Click to access Appendix%20A%20Data%20file%20072.pdf
“I accept the ‘troll’ tag as legitimate and I’m comfortable doing my job”
so who’s paying you for your “job” – meaning your current sponsors, in addition to our children and grand children ?
Pterosaur, it seems that trolls consider “their job” is to disrupt debate by continuous throwing in of furphies.
‘meaning your current sponsors, in addition to our children and grand children ?’
If you’re suggesting the Denialati don’t have children or grandchildren…. then you are sadly mistaken.
The job of ‘troll’ is a thankless task, but let’s not talk about me.
You risk being labled a drunk’n disgrace…. you’ll all go to ‘EL … 😀
Min, i’ve seen EG in action over many years, and several blogs, its trolling is consistent only in that it involves the same denial of reality, with its implicit contempt for honest participants.
EG – paranoid or not? no such suggestion was made or implied – i was referring to future generations of humanity having to pay the tragic price that you and your ilk work to realise.
do you yet understand the term ecocide ?
try another one- the term anthropocene age
understanding of these terms will be useful when/if you ever choose, or are forced by circumstance, to become part of the reality based community.
Pterosaur, we’ve been lucky here..she only found us 12 months ago.. She has been noted for several behaviours, not many of them pleasant. However, during my time as acting Admin..let’s just say..I’ve seen worse.
For those on Twitter, watch out for this one..it’s a scam. The message reads:
It then gives the impression that Twitter wants you to log on. This then gives the scammer your password which enables them to post adverts via your Twitter account. **Change your password.
I fell for it last week and *sigh* again this morning.
Yes, we are not the first blog grodo has infested. Nor shall we be the last 😦
Tom, I’ll never forget the day that el gordo arrived..I was acting Admin and thought that she was for real. Adrian and your good self quickly corrected me. 🙂
It’s a good thing that we keep a ‘secret dirt file’ for times such as this then Min 😉
Of course, when I say ‘secret dirt file’, I of course mean a similar ‘secret dirt file’ that the PM apparently has. Of course, in the old days, it was simply what journo’s used to to, you know, expose hypocrisy where it exists, from publicly available information. When Labor does it though, it is apparently a ‘secret dirt file’ 😯
It’s fine to scrutinise Coalition members, says Gillard
June 14, 2012 – 1:23PM
Prime Minister Julia Gillard
Defending her office … Prime Minister Julia Gillard.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard has played down claims her office has been operating a dirt unit on the Opposition, arguing it was not surprising the Coalition’s claims were being scrutinised.
But Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said in response that the government is “seriously ethically challenged”.
And an opinion piece written by Ms Gillard in 2007 about dirt-digging is receiving renewed attention.
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This morning, ABC Radio’s AM reported that a few weeks ago, the Prime Minister’s most senior strategist, Nick Reece, gave staffers in other ministers’ offices a to-do list for gathering information about Coalition frontbenchers, including their younger days, study trips, ministerial records, any companies they might be involved in, fundraising and pecuniary interests.
This was accompanied by a sheet on where to get such information – from student media, company searches, opinion pieces and social media.
AM reported it is not known if the government intended to use the information or how. But a member of the government criticised the move as “looking for [dirt] on Labor’s opponents”.
Today, Ms Gillard said she has not seen the document referred to in the AM report but said it was not surprising if the Opposition was being scrutinised.
“I think we’ve just got to be clear about this,” she told ABC Radio in Brisbane.
“First and foremost, given all the Opposition ever says is ‘no’ to everything, it’s not surprising people are scrutinising them to try and ascertain if they’re going to ever do anything else than just say ‘no’.”
Ms Gillard said it was “fair enough” to make public “things like” Opposition members buying shares in coal mining companies despite their claims the carbon tax will ruin the economy and the coal industry.
“I am talking more broadly about transparency and scrutiny … and how it’s relevant to political debate,” she said.
Perhaps our meeja don’t like being shown up by MP’s staffers ❓
Tom, our dirt file on you has reached its third volume.
Nothing to do of course with which footy team you follow. 😳
Wonder if the PM is in the business of doing a little wedging. Was wonderful to hear Abbott decrying “dirt file”
Same goes for business. Ask them what they want. Yes I agree now what are you going to give up.
The PM played a little Bob Hawke. We cannot do it alone. We all have to cooperate. That is government, business and workers.
Under Hawke, such cooperation led to some of our best productivity figures, that have been on the decline since the days of Hawke and Keating,
Tom, maybe we should link the PM office up to this site, to so how easily it is done.
PM did not appear too fussed.
PM on message. If one throw stones, one should not live in glass houses. They have a habit of being returned.
I just noticed I did a long paste. I only really wanted the last two paragraphs.
Tom, doesn’t that ring a bell from Tim Dunlop’s Blogocracy days..no lengthy copy and pastes..we only have X amount of space, etc etc. 🙂
Tom, and of course Julia is quite right..from your link:
And other things like denouncing the NBN publicly, but then privately lobbying for it to be brought into their own electorates that much sooner.
Pet…’paranoid or not?’
Read your comment again, you have all the qualities of a warmist zealot.
but then privately lobbying for it to be brought into their own electorates that much sooner.
Exactly. Perhaps if the media did their job properly, it wouldn’t be left to the PM’s office to do the heavy lifting. Gillard has been doing it since the BER campaign started at the oo, slapping down article after article written in the oo during question time. And every day, they came back for more. And they still do it.
Wonder if the PM’s office has a ‘secret dirt file’ on the oo’s various campaigns (in the real world, we call them fact sheets)
el gordo, is not that a compliment.
you have all the qualities of a warmist zealot
I’d take that as a compliment pterosaur1, after all, it’s what the denialists call scientists these days 😉
el gordo you like graphs. Here are seven that are interesting, especially that we have such a dysfunctional and inefficient government, that is incapable of managing a shit house.
Click to access sp-gov-130612-slides.pdf
I like ‘cafe talk’ better than ‘open thread’…it feels appropriate and comfortable.
Migs they are almost certain the megafauna in North America was wiped out by a large asteroid, which may have broken up into four pieces before hitting the earth.
That lets the Clovis people off the hook.
That’s a relief, el gordo.
BTW, we’re probably due for another asteroid or comet to bump into us.
The opposition, rather than fact files or dirt files, just simply go the smear
CU those graphs are nice and with such a good economy its hard to imagine Labor losing the next election, but according to the polls they will.
Historians will have a field day with this.
We’re also due for another page to be put up. This one has grown rather quickly. 🙂
Yes, they will el gordo. They will spend much time trying to work out how the voters were so stupid.
So stupid, that they deny facts and what is in their pockets.
Cannot help but think that Mr. Abbott will be studied along Goebbels, on how easy it is to con a community.
There will be enough to keep the sociologists busy for decades.
‘…we’re probably due for another asteroid or comet to bump into us.’
Its not a cyclic phenomenon.
A fairly large one impacted the waters to the south of NZ around 1300 AD with devastating effect.
But it’s been 65 million years since the last comet. How long do we have to wait?
Seriously, I think we’ll manage to destroy the planet with our own hands first.
Cancel the comet.
Agree Miglo. Just like to say, we probably will not be able to destroy the planet. We will just make it unlivable. The planet will be here long after we have gone.
Haha from daughter Erin and bf Ross: we’re going to a cheap Indian restaurant tonight..it’s called mum’s.