Café Talk XXIII

Café talk: The Melbourne psychologist’s edition.

395 comments on “Café Talk XXIII

  1. I went to Sussan Ley’s NBN forum today, .. about 25 people were there. 🙄
    It was a mix of ordinary Joe Blows like me, Health admin’ers, IT reps and computer Nerds…. we even had an NBN employee ( and what an informative fella he ‘were’, ay 😉 )
    Luke Hartsuyker MP, Minister for Who Gives A (Flying) #^&%, BS’ed us about the benefits of degraded copper networks and #Fraudbland 🙄 😯 and then proceeded to accept Q……. and didn’t he get some beauties 😀
    IMO, I don’t think there was one person in the room that bought ‘it’.
    What I came away thinking was … here were these IT industry employees and employers (1), Regional Health pro’s and others, telling Sussan and whatshisface to leave the NBN alone….. that they were aware of the limitations #Fraudbland had/has on offer…… and all the shadows for WTF had to offer was that the NBN was at fault/faulty and that the NBN Co. was a ‘spin factory’…”Master’s of spin” , and this from an LNP’er 🙄 ..they tried to talk up the technological ‘future’ of the already obsolete node-crap, while all the while talking down NBN Co…. *look over there*
    They looked stoopid,.. no, really.. :mrgreen:
    My question, that I never got to ask in the hour ‘short’ event, was ,” Why obviously intellegent people, such as these Shadows are… “WhyTF are you knowingly trying to ‘sell’ us this Turkey”.
    One other Q that I wanted to ask was “What are their thoughts on Non- Premises and future retail profits from the Non-Premises sector” ( fibre conected ATM’s, Security camaras, traffic lights, etc) which is an area not directly covered by the roll-out, but may become a bit of a money spinner for NBN Co. ( and/or Rupert ) into the future.

  2. Just to to remind one. CEF is much more than a tax. It appears with all the maneuvering, from all parties, the reality is, the Gillard model will survive.

    “………..THE “invisible termination” of an “invisible tax” is written and authorised by Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott, vying for the country’s leadership ahead of an uncertain election date in a new political landscape. It’s all about campaigning; not governing.

    Because remember, Australia’s so-called carbon price was never a tax. The Clean Energy legislation, which passed the House of Representatives and the Senate in late 2011, included 18 Bills. Apart from reductions in fuel tax subsidies for non-heavy transport and cars, there was only one other tax measure, and it was a good one – the tripling of the tax-free threshold from $6,000 to $18,200. The tax break from 1 July 2012 was the largest increase in the tax free threshold ever – and arguably the single biggest leap towards a smarter and fairer tax system that we have seen in decades.

    Otherwise there is no mention of a tax anywhere in any of the other 17 Bills that are now law…………..”

  3. Looks like Rudd’s honeymoon is coming to an end.

    All the boats coming, people dying at sea and the realision that Rudd is responsible because he changed the policy for populism is starting to pierce the public’s perception is sure to cost Labor votes.

    Rudd’s admission that the carbon tax is putting pressure on household budgets and his move to supposedly bring the ETS one year forward will lose Labor votes.

    Rudd’s move overnight on the FBT that has the Labor hallmark of destroying another industry will cost Labor votes. Typical, no consultation with the industry whatsoever.

    If I was Labor I would call an election as I don’t see Labor gaining in the polls because of the above issues but since when has Labor displayed good judgement?

  4. Had a good laugh here the other day when the usual suspect alleged that Abbott was a plagiarist because he used a similar statement that has been around since 2009 and the best evidence that could be produced was an article from 2010.

    But Rudd would never or copy or plagiarise from any other, would he?

    Well, well…seems the emperor of the shell that is now the government has been found out copying Obama. The person is a fake and more are realising such on a daily basis.

  5. FFS scaper do you ever read what people actually post in your haste to do a gotcha.

    You really are becoming such a petty little bore.

  6. Had a good laugh here the other day

    Yes, trying to score political points from human tragedy, without even having the guts to enter into a debate into solutions, just like his mates the libs. Pathetic is the nicest word I can think of at the moment.

  7. Are you talking about the wowser thread, Tommy?

    Can’t see any serious problem solving over there, only some tool advocating the Malaysian solution that is nothing more than a short term human trading scheme!

  8. Scaper do you really believe that Abbott can stop the boats. Abbott has been offered a briefing. One wonders why he did not take up the offer. Maybe truth will get in the way of slogans.

    Gillard signed book deal with Penguin.

  9. Won’t know if Abbott can stop the boats until he is at the tiller but you can’t skirt around the fact that they started to come in increasing numbers since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution.

    You could try the push factor line but now both Rudd and Carr have labelled the boat people as mostly economic refugees.

    If you want to talk about slogans did you know the most prolific slogan of late is used by Labor. “Three word slogans.” Talk about home goals.


  10. What do you want me to say scaper, Rudd plagiarised? He did as have others, I said that, but that wasn’t the point, it was about Abbott being reported across several platforms including a foreign newspaper for plagiarising. But you didn’t see that, you just saw a gotcha and jumped in with both feet without even thinking. You then went out of your way to stick up for Abbott even bringing up times he’s stated the same plagiarised piece in the past as though that vindicated him. Illustrates how small minded you have become.

    And you really do go out of your way to protect your beloved Abbott. Never seen such devotion to a political leader outside of Neil and Howard.

  11. Won’t know if Abbott can stop the boats until he is at the tiller but you can’t skirt around the fact that they started to come in increasing numbers since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution.

    You can’t skirt around the facts they were increasing in Howard’s last three years as well.

  12. As I said yesterday, repty…I detest you more than Abbott and one day, if I decide to put what I’ve got on him here you will be the first that I shall ridicule.

  13. What will we do, even if we decided all were not refugees, where do we return them too. Suggest, there is nowhere for them to go. We know Iran will not take them back. As for those we are returning to Sri Lanka, there appears to be evidence, that we are returning them to jail. Indonesia and I suspect Malaysia will not cooperate.

    At the end of the day, we will have to work within the reality of the problem. We will have to move beyond politics. Abbott seems to love the past, why not go back to the solutions used for those from Vietnam. Australia does not appear to be harmed by those who were allowed to come.

    The fact is that our culture has been enhanced. We have Morrison this morning back to integration and being able top speak English.

    Both are just red herrings to demonised refugees. In fact, it appears, what we are getting this time, are educated or skilled.

    Many seem to have the ability to speak English. Yes, even the middle and upper classes can be at risk.

    Money does not always protect one.

  14. Shit scaper, detest me, now there’s something. I don’t detest you, how can I, I haven’t met you and don’t know you apart from the stuff you post here.

    “…you will be the first that I shall ridicule.”

    And that’s it again, the small minded schoolboy gotcha. Real immaturity on display, like the bragging of getting under people’s skin, when actually you don’t, but now it seems it’s the other way round.

    If you want to waste your time by staying in your immature gotcha world, no skin off my back, and ridicule all you want, again no skin off my back if that’s how you get your jollies, but methinks it will be a reflection on you rather than a ridicule of me.

  15. Nice bit of trickery, yet again!

    2004–05: No boats, no people

    2005–06: 8 boats, 61 people

    2006–07: 4 boats, 133 people

    2007–08: 3 boats, 25 people

    It is clear that after Rudd dismantled the only policy, which in effect left no deterrent the number of boats increased and none of your untruths are going to alter the fact!

    2008–09: 23 boats, 985 people

    2009–10: 117 boats, 5327 people

    2010–11: 89 boats, 4730 people

    2011–12: 110 boats, 7983 people

    Last six months of 2112: 205 boats, 11896 people


  16. Even if we dumped the Refugee Convention, we are still liable to follow the universal convention of human rights. Yes, we will still not be able to abandon people. People will still have inalienable. rights.

    If the boats resumed coming because of Rudd, one would think when a harsher Pacific Solution has been put back in place would stop them. This has not happened.

    Maybe Rudd is not to be blamed. Maybe changed conditions are.

  17. That so called human trading with Malaysia, involved those who came by boats, being sent back, in exchange for those who did the right thing, and bided their time. Yes, it would have created a INCENTIVE NOT TO GET ON BOATS.

    If that is human trading, so be it. Yes, it takes the sugar off the table to board votes, as the opposition keep telling us, needs to be done.

    What is different in returning people to Malaysia, over Indonesia and Sri Lanka. None has signed the Refugee Convention.

    scaper, please point out, where is the human trading. Who benefits from such a scheme. Not those who get on boats for sure. Not Malaysia, they take them back. Not us, as we still get the same number.

    The only ones that gain, are those trapped in the camps for a decade or more.

  18. scaper, do you have figures that show how many turned up in Malaysia and Indonesia during those years. Do you have figures for how many where on the move world wide. I suspect, in fact believe, had also decreased at the time. As it usual with the refugee waves they go up and down over time.

    Howard knew this to be true, otherwise, if he had solved the problem, why spend hundreds of millions on Christmas Island, for none existent problem.

    If the Convention is revised, it is likely to be extended, not narrowed, especially when it comes to crimes that only affect women, that are not covered today. Women’s fear of rape, is not grounds, for one thing.

  19. As for Bishop, and her claim, they are Indonesian boats with Indonesian crews, therefore they have to take them back. Maybe so, but their cargoes are not Indonesian.

    Indonesia does not have to take the refugees back.

  20. Gee, you are showing your colours today. You say that swapping one for five human beings is not trading and then you belittle humans by calling them cargo.

    If you can not work out for yourself that Howard’s policy was a bluff where money had to spent to maintain such it is not my problem.

    Also, if you want to pursue the spending side as Howard was concerned, did you know that there was a press release out on the same day that Rudd knifed Gillard that the budget had already blown out by a billion dollars already due to the influx of boat people?

  21. I show again that you really don’t read stuff and just go on the attack for your schoolboy gotcha.

    What I said wasn’t wrong as I haven’t been wrong in the other posts you jumped in with your gotcha’s.

    Yes the numbers jumped after Rudd dismantled Howard’s solution and there were several reasons for that, push and mainly pull, not insignificant were the opposition’s pull factor.

    Numbers went up in Howard’s last three years.

  22. scaper how is a bridging visa kinder than a TPV, which allows one to work. A bridging visa, is in reality, no visa at all. How does sending one back to the end of the line, lead to human trade. No, I do not see the refugees as cargo, but when it comes to international law, one could class them that way.

    So Howard saws willing to spend hundreds of million of dollars as a bluff. Pull the other one.

    The Opposition did vote for Rudd’s changes. In fact Howard was moving down the same track. Yes, Rudd reacted to public demands, Remember the thousands out in the streets.

    Time for politics to end. Time for Abbott to take up that briefing. Time for inane slogans to cease.

  23. Gee repty, those were big numbers in the last three years of Howard and to suggest that they were going to grow during Labor’s tenure due to push factors is just another one of your lies.

    You call it a school boy gotcha, I call it exposing you as the liar that you are!

  24. Perhaps I should invite Scaper to write a guest post; perhaps it could be called “The political musings of Scaper”.

    It would act as a useful source of reference we could refer him back to when he keeps changing his mind. 😉

  25. CU, don’t really care if you don’t believe it was a bluff but I can tell you that you lefties were the best props Howard had to pull it off. They could hear you lot whining like banshees in Indonesia…what a bunch of stooges!

  26. scaper.the truth is, that nothing Australia does, can stop those people fleeing. The best we can hope. that working together as a region, we can regulate the flow.

    I know that Morrison threat to take seven thousand less a year from the region will do little to stem the flow. I would say, the Opposite would be true.

    I would also suspect, it would not lead to cooperation from Malaysia, let alone Indonesia.

  27. Maybe we should have a thread denigrating me as it seems to be fashionable judging by the other place. Oh wait…now they are picking on someone else. I’m jealous!

  28. scaper, no one is picking on you. You are entitled to your views. Many just do NOT agree with you.

  29. Just having a go at the pseudo intellectual wankers at the other place, not here. Damn it, you even get a thread over there. I just can’t seem to make the top grade.

  30. What, no mention of the High Court decision that found the most important parts of the Howard government’s “Pacific Solution” to be illegal? (for the slow, that’s the right to appeal refugee claim decisions)

  31. It appears, that if one wants to rely on wireless into the future,, NBN to the premises is required. Copper does not deliver.

    Also keep in mind, that when Turnbull compares the two schemes, he always begins with the proven lie, that NBNCo will cost, now a hundred Billion. He also denies that by 2021, his scheme will be obsolete.

    “………Going mobile

    Some commentators have argued the increasing popularity of mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets decreases the need for the NBN.

    But a FTTP broadband network will facilitate this rapid growth in mobile broadband. Telephone companies around the world are now enhancing their mobile networks with an ever-increasing number of small wireless base stations located on street corners, in shopping centres, offices, and even in customers’ homes, using fibre connections from the small base stations to their network.

    While NBNCo is not yet offering backhaul services (transporting data to a point that would allow it to be be distributed over a network) to mobile operators, Labor’s FTTP network is ideally suited for this. Because the Coalition’s FTTN network relies on existing copper cable to the home, it is generally unsuitable for wireless b……”

  32. ………Energy implications

    Energy consumption is often overlooked in communications network planning, but is becoming increasingly important. The power consumption of the Labor’s FTTN network will be about 70 Megawatts and the Coalition’s FTTN network will consume twice that – about 140 Megawatts.

    The cost of this extra power is relatively small compared with the installation cost of the network, and this comparison does not include end-user devices such as computers and TV displays. But the increased electrical power consumption of the Coalition’s FTTN network will have a greenhouse impact approaching that of a city the size of Launceston in Tasmania..

  33. scaper, it is funny, that they are so devoid of any original ideas, they keep attacking someone, that has nil to do with their site. One would have to wonder why.

  34. Not so, can’t recall a blog thread topic being a commenter from another blog. A first as far as I can see. They call this place ‘group think’ but in reality they are group massage that is best left behind well locked doors.

  35. Another thing that makes me laugh is that they believe I’m a fantasist in the vein of Walter Mitty.

    Just like here, if I make a tall statement in regards to what I do I usually send evidence to back up what I’ve written to the blog owner. Who knows, you might have seen some without caveats.

    But over the other place I did the same and Reb did not only not acknowledge it but led the attack then banned me. A low act but I should expect that as he was an exponent of Ken’s Karate Klub…towel boy!


  36. Scaper, from what I remember, he leads the attacks on everybody, so it wouldn’t be just you. He’s an odd little character. To me he comes across as a couple of things; an attention seeker and a person who likes to play the victim.

  37. Can’t disagree there. Apart from a few that I won’t name, he has a strange coterie of contributors carrying boulders on their shoulders and they call me a rock shifter?

    That place would make a good study. Had to giggle at the byline of this thread…”The Melbourne psychologist’s edition.” Rather apt I would say and how did Migs get a pic of Reb?

  38. Now that is a thought. Trouble is, I give the man no thought and will continue to do so.

    No maybe Abbott or even Morrison.

  39. How dare you publish a pic of Reb without his consent!!!

    The only leniency I shall have is because you did not build this thread around Reb.

    But still, not very good form old chap, if you would have gone that extra step you should be condemned.

  40. What, no mention of the High Court decision

    There is a lot scaper refuses to mention or address, and plenty he ignores in his pathetic and cowardly trolling over this issue.

    It is nothing but cheap political points, just like his masters, and a stubborn refusal to address the issue front on and honestly.

    basically, he’s just a toady playing the same game the libs are. Ignoring the facts, and living in a fantasy land.

  41. Yes Tom – spot on analysis 😉

    There is a tonne of fun to be had by an insomniac playing with the figures that can be derived from this site too:

    Things like numbers of asylum seekers in places like Indonesia during the Howard government’s “Pacific Solution” and world wide trends between 2000 and now.

    This too makes good background reading on the asylum seeker “issue” up till 2007:

    The Australian government sees the fall in boat arrivals as a testament to the success of the Pacific Solution. However, the fall comes against a backdrop of lower asylum seeker applications around the world. UNCHR figures showed that in the five years to 2006, applications to developed countries have more than halved and the global refugee population had decreased by a third. Between 2001 and 2006 Canada and the United States experienced a 47 per cent decrease in asylum seeker numbers and Europe experienced a 54 per cent decrease over the five year period.

    In 2006, a number of countries without a “Pacific Solution” experienced the lowest level of applications in decades. Denmark experienced its lowest level of asylum seeker applications since 1983, New Zealand recorded its lowest level since 1988, the United Kingdom recorded its lowest level since 1989, Norway recorded its lowest level since 1997 and France its lowest level since 1998. UNHCR suggested the big fall in asylum seekers in the five years to 2006 was due to “improved conditions in some source countries” such as the easing of conflicts in Afghanistan and the Balkans as well as more restrictive refugee policies in some destination countries, particularly in Europe.

  42. Yes Bacchus a point I’ve made many times. Plus if Howard didn’t expect the numbers to go up again why did he spend so much on building the large high security facility on Christmas Island when all he needed was Nauru as he was supposedly so successful.

    The numbers were edging up as they were piling up in Malaysia and Indonesia and Howard knew that.

  43. Even if we withdrew from the Refugee Convention, this still applies.

    “………..Under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights every person has the right to seek asylum in any territory they can reach. It is a dismal reflection of the state of politics that Mr Morrison frequently refers to asylum seekers arriving by boat as “illegals”. He knows it is a blatant lie, but he also knows that it works..”

  44. The truth is, as long as people flee in fear, desperation will lead to them getting on boats. We cannot stop them. As for the countries they travel through, all have high levels of poverty and are stretched looking after their own people.

  45. If people enter our oceans then they’re our responsibility. I don’t know about you, but if something is my responsibility I don’t try to fob it off onto somebody else. If that’s Tony Abbott’s attitude, then it’s not a great example of how he’s going to operate if he becomes prime minister.

  46. Scaper,

    Great joke. 😆 😆 build a thread around the former reasonable debater and not half bad author. I emphasise the word “former”. Revenge and obsession can do terrible things to a person.


    Are you certain that it’s not you who is the Melbourne psychologist? 😉

  47. Scaper, my opinion is that the place which you mention might have been a place of some value. I agree with AntonyG in that the blogmaster there was once a reasonably talented author who sadly has allowed some sort of obsession to dominate.

    However, let’s put it into some perspective..that particular blog is but a pale shadow of it’s former self and therefore nothing of concern to anyone.

  48. A photo of me! Really? I hope it’s one of my better ones.

    I haven’t had the chance yet to catch up on all the emails I received while I was in hospital. There’s probably one there from reb seeking permission to use it.

  49. Michael, you are quite right. Actually I do believe I have copyright as I took the photo. I would therefore request that reb remove this photo. The photo is not public domain but used only with the permission of the artist/photographer, that being myself.

  50. Wow, scaper, looks like the Pacific Solution was an outstanding success in all the world’s oceans. Who woulda thunk?

    Although I am surprised that neither the Rodent nor Liealot are spruiking their genius.

    Perhaps I should invite Scaper to write a guest post; perhaps it could be called “The political musings of Scaper”.

    We could do with a bit of comedy relief, Migs.

  51. Tom R, one good one for every ten years or thereabouts.

    You’re in luck then. I’m still looking for ONE good one of me 😦

    I blame the lighting 🙂

  52. My mum says that the only way to take a good photo of her is to stand “way back”..preferably down the back paddock…

  53. I blame the head.

    Sad but true 😦

    That’s not a generic avatar I have, but me last Christmas morning 😦

  54. Oi, Tommy ‘two heads’, don’t let them get away with dis’n ya…… you can’t help what you look like 😛 ….no, really 😉 ….. just be assured that people that look like you have their place…… it’s called South Australia 😉
    Ah, …South Australian’s ….proof that Tasmanian’s can swim 😛

  55. What does one think of Turnbull’s attacks on the NBNCo board. He did seem to protest to much last night.
    One has to question much of what Turnbull has to say. Especially his claims as to where NBN is at. One senses there is a little exaggeration going on. Trouble is, that Turnbull needs NBNCo to be as bad, as he claims, for his NBN lite to make sense.

  56. So NBN employing a PR firm to defend themselves from attack from Turnbull is wrong. Do not boards do this at all times. Does not the NBN have the right to defend themselves

  57. South Australian’s ….proof that Tasmanian’s can swim

    Now I’m beginning to see why Broken Hill is considered to be a part of SA 😉

  58. The lobbying company has been hired with tax payers money to defend themselves from being sacked if the coalition wins government and you see nothing wrong with that?

  59. Broken Hill is a nice place, if you ignore the pile of rubble just outside of town. I noticed the kangaroos bounce higher after being run over by trucks around there too.

  60. Still too gutless to offer up an opinion on the discrepancy between the oppositions turn back the boats stance and their Malaysia solution one scaper

  61. What about I don’t agree with any of the parties on this issue. Obviously you agree with the people trading scheme which earns you the title of senseless, Tommy.

  62. Nope, scaper I do not. I see more wrong in politicians attacking an independent body, using what appears to be lies.

    I suspect most prudent companies take steps to get their side of the story over.

    everything is out in the open. I suspect Turnbull’s concern is, that he is being held accountable by NBNCO. Yes, being asked to justify his statem

    By the way, I also believe if we are unlucky to have Abbott elected, there will be the numerous investigations, three at this time into NBN, will come back with the revelation, that NBNCO has progressed too far, and the prudent thing is to continue with it. That it will be too costly to divert to fibre to the node at that time. How does one deal with the present scheme.

    I, for one, will not be happy that those all around me, have fibre to the home, and I miss out. I do not see that as being fair. I am on the end of the list of installations.

  63. I suspected so. You do realise that Turnbull is the shadow for communications, that the NBN is in fact a government monopoly which is owned by the taxpayer???

    If a company board used share holders money to protect their positions there would be outrage but somehow you think it is OK to use tax payers money.

    I see, it is all about YOU!

  64. What about I don’t agree with any of the parties on this issue

    Yet you are happy to launch in with oppositions talking points. Why not give the Malaysian Solution a go, instead of maintaining the status quo. At least with the Malaysian Solution, more refugees will be provided an opportunity to move on from their current limbo

  65. Hence the Gutless tag.

    Do you at least acknowledge that howards ‘solution’ could never have succeeded in the long term?

  66. Well, don’t rub it so hard

    It is obvious you have real issue with reading, so I’ll give you a hint 😉

  67. Greg Hunt’s father recently departed. From Greg.

    Overnight my father Alan Hunt passed away. He was 85.

    In his words, he had had a wonderful life. He was the father of five sons, Bob, John, Peter, Steve and Greg. He was the grandfather to ten grandchildren, Josephine, Selwyn, Mia, Alan, Anne, Henry, Sam, Abby, Poppy and James. He was the brother of Colin and David. And to his great delight, for the last decade and more of his life he was the partner to Leila Haywood.

    Not all endings are sad. Until December Dad lived at home, in Mornington, in the house which he had loved and lived in for almost 50 years. In the last few months he and Leila have been cared for by the wonderful staff at Somercare in Somerville. In the last few weeks he had been given amazing care by the doctors and nurses of Ward 4 GS at Frankston Hospital. And in the last two days he was embraced by the most caring staff of the Palliative Care Unit at the Golf Links Rd Rehabilitation Centre in Frankston.

    Dad retained his complete awareness of the world until his last days. Until the very end he was actually caring for others.

    Over the last few weeks he said goodbye to each of his sons. In doing so he took care of each of us. He explained that he was ready to die, that he had been blessed in his life and that he had no fears. He said farewell and took care of each of Steve and Peter. Both spent much time with him in his last few weeks.

    On Monday he held me and took care of me. On Wednesday he held my brother John and took care of John.

    Yesterday, as he became increasingly frail, his brother David and partner Leila visited to say goodbye. On his last day he was surrounded by sons who read to him his beloved poems from Yeats and Byron, Shelley and the Prophet. But his favourites were Tennyson’s Ulysses and perhaps most of all Coleridge’s Kubla Khan. As my brother John read the words: “In Xanadu did Kubla Khan a stately pleasure dome decree” Dad cupped his ears to tell us he was listening, and to ask for more.

    But there was one more thing. He had yet to say goodbye to his eldest son Bob. Bob drove overnight from Wyndham in NSW and arrived just after 3 AM. There, in the middle of the night, accompanied and cared for by his eldest son, he passed away.

    It was a grand life and we will celebrate it on the Mornington Peninsula, which he so loved, at the Peninsula Community Theatre in Wilson’s Road, Mornington, at 3 PM on Monday 22 July.

    With all our love Dad, the boys.

  68. Interesting development in the Thomson case.

    What, that nothing that has been alleged is illegal? That’s what has been the bemusing thing all along. Basically, he doesn’t need to prove or not if the claims (which he still denies) are true or not. They just aren’t illegal for the sake of this case. It has just been a smear, nothing more.

  69. Tom R good news from Thommo, but disgusting that he has been put through all of this by the smear merchants from the Liars Party just for their political gain and no other reason.

    Frankly, if The Termite hadn’t been undermining Gillard none of this would have happened. I reckon Gillard would have won in 2010 with a majority and it wouldn’t have been to the Liars advantage to destroy Thommo.

    I would be willing to kick in a few bucks if he decided to sue the @rse off that corrupt mendacious mob, the Liars; in particular Lielaot, Prissy, Brandis.

    I just hope Slipper gets a good outcome to put the icing on the cake and rub a bit more egg in Liealot’s and Brough’s faces :).

  70. The real question(s) that need asking, about Thom(p)o, are the questions about the AFP, the NSW police, the VIC. police, the FWA { and their “investigation section’s” 😆 } and their seemingly complicite view that they should have a say in who runs the country, mm !! ( talk about third world mentalities)…… a Royal Commission into this ‘affair’ may not be that far fetched an idea.
    ….. one wonders if the final amount may end up in same territory ( or just out side of it 😉 ) as Slipper, where hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars was spent for a grand total return of $900 or so 🙄

  71. “They just aren’t illegal for the sake of this case.

    WE knew that all the time. he had a right to use his credit card for prostitutes. And we knew all along that someone like you would support that.

  72. Neil, please for once, read what was actually said. They had to make a correction on what Thomson’s lawyer said. Neither said they would not challenge the charges. What was said, if he has the right to use the card, there was no further case,

  73. WRT the IA link you provided Tom, several commenters reported that ABC News reported that Craig Thomson was unlikely to dispute claims his union credit card was used to pay for escort services, which is a blatant lie.

    A number of people, me included, have complained to the ABC about it. Much good it will do, because they won’t take a blind bit of notice, just fob us off with an insincere platitude and keep repeating the lie, but I feel happier having accused them of just being another, less competent arm of Rupert’s empire.

  74. WE knew that all the time. he had a right to use his credit card for prostitutes.

    So why is he in court then? And, just to be clear, as muddying the water does appear to be the game here, the right to do something is not an admission that someone has done something. Thom(p)son was clear on that point.

    IA understands that if the threshold matter is met, and the the facts and charges do become an issue, Thomson will defend all charges vigorously.

    Which makes your following comment ridiculous, petty and extremely stupid.

    And we knew all along that someone like you would support that.

    If you had read an understood what Thom(p)son said, and I have said, you would retract that as the slur it is. I’m not expecting much from you though.

    Meanwhile, I note an update to the IA story. It appears the oo was leading the way again in assuming, then reporting, the worse case scenario as assumed by the likes of nil and dirtman.

    Editor’s note (19/7/13, 9pm): The Australian, after complaints from Craig Thomson and his lawyer, removed paragraph six and eight from their initial story. No correction was issued.

  75. ABC News reported that Craig Thomson was unlikely to dispute claims his union credit card was used to pay for escort services, which is a blatant lie.

    That doesn’t surprise me at all jane, theirabc has just become a government subsidised arm of ltdnews when it comes to political reporting. They are a joke

  76. Shorter Abbott speech at Queensland LNP Convention:

    Testerone, masculinity, intestine.

    Rudd, Rudd, Rudd, Rudd, Rudd, Rudd, Rudd.

    Pacific Solution didn’t involve off loading problems to other countries. So what was Nauru?

    Rudd, Rudd, Rudd…

    What is totally absent is any policy. Not a one so far.

  77. scaper’s come backs. Someone makes an observation about him, he throws it back like a school kid doing a “not me, you.”

  78. Nothing liking getting under repty’s scales on a Saturday.

    So how many boat people have been resettled on Nauru? If none then your statement up the thread is just twaddle…as usual.


  79. your defence of Thomson is noted.

    Another reading fail dirtman. It is actually a defense of facts.

  80. ……AS awkward kissing moments go, this is one of the best.

    Tony Abbott was caught in a cringeworthy clinch with Lisa Newman, the wife of Queensland Premier Campbell Newman, in Brisbane yesterday.

    The Opposition Leader was in Queensland to address his adoring party faithful at the annual LNP Convention, telling members that he “can hear the drums” of an election beating and urged them to use “every fibre” of their beings to ensure the Coalition was elected.

    Worst celeb pashes in history

    Mr Abbott attacked Prime Minister Kevin Rudd’s policies on asylum seekers, mining and climate change and peppered his speech with favourite one-liners – “stop the boats”, “end the debt” and “abolish the carbon tax”.

    Mr Abbott warned that despite Mr Rudd’s faults, he was a much stronger adversary than Julia Gillard.

    “I’ve got to say I am grateful to Mr Rudd because if there’s one thing he’s done, he has dispelled any complacency that might have existed on our side of politics,” Mr Abbott said.

    “Let’s have no doubt, we have a fight on our hands.”.

    Do we really want this?

  81. I imagine we will see Abbott and Co revert to we are broke campaign, in an attempt to regain the ground he has lost since the re-emergence of Rudd.

    We need to be ready, for Abbott’s and Hockey’s answers are more threatening than what we are hearing now from that side of the fence.

    There are no simple answers available.

    “……….necessary to use fiscal policy as an emergency back-up.

    If the economy suddenly slowed in a way that threatened to seriously shake business and consumer confidence and start a self-perpetuating downward spiral in private sector spending, the answer would be to step in quickly with a confidence-boosting ”cash splash”. We know from the global financial crisis how remarkably effective such measures can be.

    Should that opportunity be missed, the next response would be to be ready with well-advanced plans for a program of heavy infrastructure spending to fill the vacuum left by the retreating mining investment boom. Even now the budget’s growth forecasts are looking unachievable. If Bowen had any sense, he’d be toning down the rhetoric about getting the budget back to surplus in 2016-17 and making the point I began with.

    If Hockey has any sense, he’ll back off from the nonsense about debt and deficits, just in case he has the good fortune to inherit Bowen’s problem……”

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  82. Two very important findings by the DC Superior Court in the US have gone by hardly noticed, but is another huge blow to the climate deniers.

    They have ruled that physicist and scientist Michael Mann can go ahead with a defamation law suit against the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) and the National Review Online (NRO) who over many years accused Mann of manipulating data and being fraudulent.

    The CEI and NRO basically defended against going to defamation on the grounds of freedom of speech. In other words they believed they could call a scientist a fraud because they were free to do so not because the scientist had actually committed any fraud.

    “Defendants argue that the accusation that Plaintiff’s work is fraudulent may not necessarily be taken as based in fact because the writers for the publication are tasked with and posed to view work critically and interpose (brutally) honest commentary.”

    The court ruled this didn’t hold up as Mann’s work had been investigated by over one dozen bodies and not a single one of those bodies had found the work fraudulent.

    Does this sound like anyone we know who used the freedom of speech argument to say anything they like against others, including things that are blatantly untrue.

  83. Abbott now on. ABC24 Not policy to stop boats. Back to old stale slogans.

    Not even binding according to Abbott. Now we have Morrison. Pity they cannot address what the situation is today, instead of what occurred under Howard.

  84. Still working hard to ensure the new solution does not work. We all know how much value one puts on the Opposition legal opinions. Not much from where I am sitting.

    Even if what Morrison is saying, he can back Labor in moving legislation in allowing it to go ahead.

    Yesterday Morrison claim they had not released the Agreement when it is on the net.

    What we are hearing from Morrison, is his version of what he thinks will happen.

  85. Yes, I am sure all the smugglers are sitting in front of their computers, cheering Morrison all the way. Morrison is the best friend the smugglers have,

  86. Anyone watching. What does Abbott’s body language say?

    Pity we are not hearing facts from Morrison, but his version of what it is about. I

  87. Tom R, have you noticed that the ones who assume that if you have the right to do something no matter how tacky, you will are all barrackers? How surprisement.

    I also notice scaper has apparently just noticed that The Termite isn’t regarded fondly by ex colleagues and by a lot of us. Just a few years behind the times.

    ME, when will the Liars and their barrackers get it through their thick heads that lying and making fraudulent statements about others is NOT freedom of speech-it’s just plain old lying?

    Parents punish their children for lying. If you’re a Christian one of the 10 commandments the Liars are fond of pushing in people’s faces, says that we must not lie and bear false witness against others.

    I find it particularly egregious that the worst offenders are the most vehement defenders of such liars as Dolt, Anal and other shock jocks, not to mention the lies they peddle themselves.

  88. Says it all. One gets the impression, that many in media land have no idea what they are talking about.

    “…….f you are anything like the radio producer who phoned me last Monday morning, you won’t have a clue what Kevin Rudd just did.

    ”What’s the difference between a carbon tax and an emissions trading scheme?” he asked. ”Our presenter needs to know.”

    It occurred to me that if neither of them knew the difference, I had been doing my job very badly, along with all the other economics writers and also the politicians who thought up the scheme in the first place.,”

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  89. Kevin 747, where are you off to next,
    It can’t be New York,as you left there perplexed.
    Pissed to bits, touching dancers and running a muk.
    You devious little turd, you’re down on your luck.

    This grub is pm, even his own are surprised,
    Knowing full well of his deception and lies,
    Led to the downfall of Gillard and Co
    They refuse to accept that as a fake, he’s a pro.

  90. They refuse to accept that as a fake, he’s a pro.


    Most comments here show that people acknowledge rudd for what he is.

    Personally, I lament that it has come to this. But, most of those looking to get re-elected thought, or knew, that the only way the media would let up with their campaign against Gillard, and therefore Labor, would be to re-install him.

    Unfortunately, it looks as though they were right. The treatment he has received in comparison to Gillard is manifest. They love the media tart. And repay in kind. They are the true king makers of this country, make no mistake.

  91. And The Termite doesn’t have to worry about Gillard & her supporters whiteanting & backgrounding grubs in the msm, Tom.

    Gillard & supporters are loyal & honourable, unlike The Termite & his cohorts.

  92. Nah, not influenced by either side to not call bullshit on a thread topic or comment.

    People with ignorance? I seem to get under your skin so it is given you have ignorance which is nothing more than ideological chastity. Sad but entertaining.

  93. I seem to get under your skin

    Only when you make rude and demeaning comments about people that are contrary to the facts. Basically, when you abuse, and the gut out of debates.

  94. I laughed until I cried, and the wingnuts want this man on the international stage.

    Abbott at the opening of the new Asio building.

    “We only sleep safe in our beds at night because of rough men on our borders…”

    That it’s just anserine is one thing but here again is his misogyny on display. Of course there can’t be women on our borders protecting us. What an insult to the women in the Navy, Air Force, Army, AFP, Customs and Coast Watch.

    But he does have a place for them. “…because of smart men and women huddled over computer screens in buildings such as this.”

    Yep safe in big expensive air conditioned buildings huddled over computer screens,

    What a man.

  95. Some wise words from the past.

    “Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.” – Frederick Douglass

    “The genius of our ruling class is that it has kept a majority of the people from ever questioning the inequity of a system where most people drudge along, paying heavy taxes for which they get nothing in return.” – Gore Vidal

    “We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can’t have both.” – Louis Brandeis

  96. Abbott is struck, with demanding that Rudd accept responsibility for the present situation,. Still wants to talk about what occurred six years ago, ignoring all that has occurred in between.

    Mr. Abbott what happened then, no longer matters. Does not change one iota what is happening AND NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW.

  97. AMERICAN director James Mangold was horrified at the disrespect shown to Julia Gillard during a “bizarre” Sydney press conference last year for his latest film The Wolverine, and has praised the former prime minister’s vision for the local film industry.

    Ms Gillard and The Wolverine star Hugh Jackman joined Mangold at Sydney’s Fox Studios in July last year to announce a $12.8 million government investment in the film, which was partly shot and produced in Sydney.

    During the presser, one hack stood up and suggested Mangold offer the then PM a role as “the Scarlett Witch” opposite Jackman.

    “It was a training in how goddamn rude Australians could be to their prime minister. I was shocked,” Mangold told The Australian ahead of the London premiere of the new film, which opens in Australia tomorrow.

    “I couldn’t believe it. Oh my God, it was bizarre.”

    Ms Gillard was announcing the funding in addition to the federal government’s 40 per cent producer’s rebate, of which the production – shot in Sydney and Tokyo – also took advantage.

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    X-Men factor with that Japanese touch.

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    “I definitely got the idea she was disrespected. I remember Hugh trying to roll with it, and thinking that was just wrong,” Mangold said.

    The director, whose latest film is the sixth instalment in the Marvel Comics X-Men series, said Ms Gillard should be praised for her foresight into the industry’s geographical shift in recent years away from Los Angeles and to countries, such as Australia, that offer funding or tax initiatives.

    “I am very grateful to Ms Gillard, and as it turns out, it was one of the best shooting experiences we’ve had,” Mangold said. “I think it’s very heroic of a government to try to encourage production in Australia now exchange rates are working in your favour, and creating a gravitational pull ther……..

  98. Mobius and,

    “We only sleep safe in our beds at night because of rough men on our borders…”

    Yes, I likewise picked up on this..unfortunately our msm seems to lack the ability to consider the complete inappropriateness of this statement.

    Umm, err..the “rough women” on our borders doesn’t seem to have quite the same ring to it… It seems that Abbott hasn’t quite woken up to the fact that women are in the Navy and on Customs Vessels…perhaps to Abbott they’re still at home *manning* their ironing boards…

  99. Well, the PNG leader has accused Abbott of lying. He would make us proud, I am sure, if ever given the chance to be on the world stage.

  100. What is occurring in Newcastle today, sure backs what the policeman that first made the allegations. What is shocking about Father Brian Lucas, not that he is a high ranking priest, but also a highly, or was respected lawyer.

    This man has no excuse for his actions.

  101. ….. and yet we worry about boat people 🙄
    “….. future risks. There are a handful of scientists such as Professor Peter Wadhams, Head of the Polar Institute at Cambridge University, who, based on submarine observations of the Arctic sea ice’s collapse in volume, has been pointing out that a methane feedback may not be as far away as we think.”

  102. ” And this may be the most important insight of all, that a warmer climate is not just an environmental issue, but something with profound cultural implications for everybody.

    “It is,” after all, in the words of the recent U.K. panel report, “an issue that transcends politics: something that people of all political stripes — left, right or centre — have a stake in.”

  103. Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that talking about Climate Change has become, ahem… cough… splutter…., some what ‘uncool’ 😯
    ….. it seem’s to have joined those other elephant’s in the room such as sex, religion and politics 😉 ….. as in,.. ‘things’ one does not bring up in polite conversation…. or to put it another way ” Look over there….. boat people “,…. but hey, I’m being un-cool…. especially about the ‘scale’ of ‘things……I mean,.. boat people v’s global warming…. which one is the elephant/ which one is a soccer ball ??? 😯 🙄
    …. mayhap both 🙄

  104. What Hockey is ignoring, and Labor is not pushing, is that since the days of Costello, the structural imbalance in ongoing budgets, is falling revenues receipts.
    This is global problem, and is getting worse,.

  105. It appears that Abbott is promising to cut company tax. Does this make sense when the revenue base is decreasing.

    ‘Taxes must rise’: Ken Henry
    Former Treasury Secretary Ken Henry says both parties must stop pretending they can deliver new services and a surplus without increased taxes.
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    The next government will need to raise tax rates, according to Australia’s former top economic adviser, directly contradicting the Labor and Liberal parties as they compete for power.
    Dr Ken Henry, the Treasury secretary for a decade under the Howard, Rudd and Gillard governments, says Australia is failing to meet the ”immense challenge” of paying for its future needs.
    Both main parties are going to the election saying they will not increase taxes overall. But Dr Henry says this means the next government will be forced to keep cutting spending, as Labor did on Friday, as a ”permanent process”.
    Dr Ken Henry.
    ”We can’t rely on luck”: Dr Ken Henry. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen
    ”Whoever wins the election has to commit to tax reform to improve the tax system so it’s capable of producing more revenue with minimal economic damage,” he told Fairfax Media in an interview.

    Dr Henry, who wrote the Intergenerational Reports and chaired the Henry tax reform committee, resigned as Treasury secretary two years ago.
    He went on to w

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  106. I believe Abbott is promising to cut company tax by 1.5 percent. Is this sensible when we are facing a decreasing revenue base.

    ‘Taxes must rise’: Ken Henry
    Former Treasury Secretary Ken Henry says both parties must stop pretending they can deliver new services and a surplus without increased taxes.
    Autoplay ONOFFVideo feedbackVideo settings
    The next government will need to raise tax rates, according to Australia’s former top economic adviser, directly contradicting the Labor and Liberal parties as they compete for power.
    Dr Ken Henry, the Treasury secretary for a decade under the Howard, Rudd and Gillard governments, says Australia is failing to meet the ”immense challenge” of paying for its future needs.
    Both main parties are going to the election saying they will not increase taxes overall. But Dr Henry says this means the next government will be forced to keep cutting spending, as Labor did on Friday, as a ”permanent process”.
    Dr Ken Henry.
    ”We can’t rely on luck”: Dr Ken Henry. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen
    ”Whoever wins the election has to commit to tax reform to improve the tax system so it’s capable of producing more revenue with minimal economic damage,” he told Fairfax Media in an interview.
    Dr Henry, who wrote the Intergenerational Reports and chaired the Henry tax reform committee, resigned as Treasury secretary two years ago.
    He went on to write the Australia in the Asian Century white paper and is a director of the Australian Stock Exchange.
    ”We can’t rely on luck,” he said urging a new realism after the end of the mining investment boom.
    ”Commodity prices are obviously going to fall from

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  107. So Abbott is going to complete what Howard, thanks to the Democrats was unable to do. A further watering down the the Keating Aborigine land right laws.

  108. Michael. please remind us of what happened when Howard first came to power. Michael what respect and who does Pearson represent. Won’t bother about Warren Mundine, he only represents his own wants,

  109. A must read,.

    “…………..”Are you angry about it?”
    She looks away. “If we were having a red-hot go over policy, a real blue over policy …” she says, before her voice trails off. In her 15 years in the federal Parliament and her long apprenticeship before, Julia Gillard was a political warrior and a policy pragmatist. She had been on the winning side of every Labor leadership manoeuvre – Kim Beazley, Mark Latham, Rudd – until yesterday.
    I ask her about women in politics. “It’s still worth it,” she insists. The political cauldron has extinguished several careers in the past 24 hours, including one of the most effective legislators and managers of government Australia has seen. And it has burnt a good woman.
    When she called the vote yesterday afternoon, Gillard insisted to the TV audience that “leadership is about policy, not personality”. But 21st-century politics, as former Labor finance minister Lindsay Tanner lamented in his book Sideshow: Dumbing Down Democracy, has become an endless spin cycle of entertainment. While her opponents were performing for the cameras, Gillard was “getting it done”, pushing hundreds of pieces of legislation through the parliament.

    Read more:……….

  110. What is Rudd doing. Is he trying to prove he can have better brain farts than Abbott. Up to yesterday, it was Abbott that had to play catch up games. Now we have him buying into the silly minority government and destroy the Greens argument. If that is not bad enough, we wake up to him promising to extend the Ord River scheme, which the CSIRO among other say is a dubious development at the best, and will not return much on the investment.

    What is worse, Rudd has given Abbott a way out card from his couple of disastrous days.

    All Rudd has to do is sell what Labor has achieved. No need to poorly thought out promises. He does not have to complete with Abbott. Not needed.

  111. Sadly, I appear to be correct. Listening to Abbott’s reply, Rudd has given Abbott’s hare brain scheme credibility. That is spite of Rudd giving a detailed outline.

    Abbott still attempting to demonising the Greens. Surely in a democracy, respect should be given to all parties. Freedom of speech surely means, that all have a right to exist, and to be heard. Even those, we violently disagree with.

    Abbott seems to believe, or at least gives the impression that only his side of politics have any right to exist. All others are outside the fold, and should be destroyed.

    Not that worried about catch up label by Abbott. I am concerned that it makes Abbott look more credible. There were few details in Abbott’s promise. Rudd has move far past white paper.

    Rudd claims that he was already working with the NT back in 2007 and funding was given, to look into possibilities,. Rudd is saying, what he announced to day, arises from that action.

    What Rudd has highlighted, is that Abbott;s promises to the Aboriginals in the north has more to do with Native title, to allow any developments to go ahead, than the well being of the Aborigines.

  112. “Are you angry about it?”
    She looks away. “If we were having a red-hot go over policy, a real blue over policy …” she says, before her voice trails off.”

    This sums up the stupidity of removing Gillard. Also tells us, why Rudd should be out selling what she achieved.

    Does not have to mention Gillard, but sell it as Labor achievements.

  113. At Neil is being honest there Bacchus. Absolutely nothing different to what he’s been saying for a very long time now, but at least consistent in his saying nothing of worth.

  114. ………………big chunk of Tony Abbott’s parental leave scheme will be paid for by retirees and those saving to retire.

    The slug to retirees has been engineered by the Coalition backroom and joins the Reserve Bank’s lower interest rate drive in the inter-generational attack game, which the older generation is losing.

    That fact that very few media outlets picked up the fact that retirees and those saving for retirement would pay a slice of the parental leave bill shows that the inter-generational game is not widely understood.

    But it explains why Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey was correct in saying the scheme was revenue neutral and laughed off the latest ALP claims saying it was not funded. Like the bulk of the media, the ALP did not understand what Abbott, Hockey and Co. had done.

    Let me explain how the funding plan works. First there are a series of offsets where the new plan replaces the old schemes and cuts out double dipping. These are genuine savings.

    Then Abbott and Hockey impose a 1.5 per cent levy on taxable company incomes of $5 million or more, which will affect about 3200 companies who represent the bulk of company tax raised.

    But the levy will be offset by a 1.5 per cent fall in company tax so profit-wise there is no effect on large corporations (and small companies win because they do not pay the levy).

    But then comes Tony and Joe’s sleight of hand attack on retirees. Many big corporate taxpayers, like banks, pay around three quarters of their profits out in dividends and there is constant pressure from retirees for companies to payout more, especially now interest rates on bank deposits have been reduced. Most dividends (but not all) are fully franked because they come out of tax paid profits…………….

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    Mr. Abbott believes that the public will be able to makes sense of their costings, if released a day of so before election day.

  115. Now he is on the verge of taking a position in an Abbott Government cabinet, having played a vital role in supporting Abbott’s rise on the back of his ‘Axe the Carbon Tax’ campaign.

    It is an extraordinary lesson in the magnificent use of bluffing.

    Last week the Climate Institute called Hunt’s bluff, releasing a study examining the economics of Hunt’s Direct Action fund. In spite of its generous assumptions in Hunt’s favour, the study concluded Direct Action was underfunded by at least $4 billion to achieve the minimum Coalition emission reduction target.

    Furthermore it appears that in the past few years other countries have stepped-up their efforts to reduce emissions. This suggests Australia needs to increase the ambition of its emission reduction target to match the effort taking place in many other major emitters, so the budget blow-out would be even greater.

    Hunt’s immediate response was not to release his own detailed costings and supporting evidence but further bluff and bluster.

    He told ABC radio, “The Climate Institute is clearly

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    If one does believe in man made climate change, owing to carbon emissions, why would one throw out something that is working.

  116. ………..Universal paid parental leave is a good idea. It levels the employment playing field between large and small businesses, encourages breastfeeding, improves child welfare and encourages women to remain attached to the workforce. Full pay is also, in theory, a good idea – like mining the moon.

    The current scheme of the minimum wage for 18 weeks, introduced in 2011, was designed by the Productivity Commission in 2009, in a 585-page report that followed a long inquiry including public hearings and hundreds of submissions.

    Tony Abbott has now made a ‘Captain’s Call’ – a phrase that means a totally unresearched and unsupported pronouncement – that the minimum wage is not enough money and that 18 weeks is not enough time. The Captain’s Call has further decreed that the increase will be funded by a levy on companies with taxable incomes over $5 million.

    It looks like the levy will fall short by about $3 billion a year, although we have to wait till the end of the campaign to find out (and I doubt that we’ll really find out much then)………..

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  117. I couldn’t resist this one..

    “We need to stop these terror cakes now, before they infiltrate any further.” said Congresswoman Bachmann who wants falafel banned in all American schools.

    And here’s the logic or rather, the lack thereof..

    “Chris, falafel is a gateway food,” responded Bachmann, “It starts with falafel, then the kids move on to shawarma. After a while they say ‘hey this tastes good, I wonder what else comes from Arabia?’ ”

  118. The Captain’s Call has further decreed that the increase will be funded by a levy on companies with taxable incomes over $5 million.

    It looks like the levy will fall short by about $3 billion a year, although we have to wait till the end of the campaign to find out (and I doubt that we’ll really find out much then)………..

    On the news this morning. It seems the tax concessions on share dividends will be taken away to pay for the large shortfall in Abbott’s PPL, which will be worse if all the States won’t sign on to it, which odds are they won’t.

    This will badly affect pensioners who use franking dividends for income.

    So yet again the Liberals screw a constituency that overwhelmingly supports them, and I have no doubt the majority of pensioners will vote for Abbott when by any measurements they will be much better off under Rudd.

    Go figure.

  119. Mobius, and it’s not if sections of the community don’t know that Abbott will screw them..but they’ll vote for him anyway.

  120. it’s not if sections of the community don’t know that Abbott will screw them..but they’ll vote for him anyway.

    I don’t know about that. I would argue that most elderly people get their news from ltdnews (being the most accessible news available) which appears to be strenuously avoiding this particular story (as they do with all negative stories about the libs)

    Their pages today are all about the election being over, and tabot running his victory lap. My parents, who are not liberal leaning, were thinking the ppl scheme was great, until I printed out a few article pointing out the inconsistencies, and, the fact that they were paying for it. And this is after they say that you can’t believe everything in hte papers. They are dubious of everything they read.

    The problem is, it has been three years of wall to wall bad stories about Labor, and land of milk and honey rubbish for the libs. And it starts to sink in. Vat swathes of my parents friends, who have been long time Labor supporters, have gone off them because of this, and they are finding it very hard to accept that they have been duped this much. They consider themselves to be informed, as they read the paper and watch the news. Unfortunately, as has been shown time and time again, they are not getting news, they are getting brainwashed.

    On a day when the libs attack on the elderly should be being highlighted, ltdnews is simply declaring the race is over, and have filled their columns with reams of “Labor = BAD” just to try and make sure of it.

    And I really don’t know how to get through to this crowd. They have relied on print for so long, they know of no other way.

    I still think Labor are in with a fighting chance, but they really need to fight, and they really need to find something that will cut through and highlight this particular tax grab by the libs

  121. ………….Shadow assistant treasurer Mathias Cormann confirmed there would be a saving from not offering tax credits for the levy, but refused to quantify it.

    “The most important thing retirees need to know is that if the economy grows more strongly that will maximise their returns,” Cormann said.

    Finance minister Penny Wong said the Coalition’s scheme was “in tatters”.

    The Australian Shareholders Association (ASA) said the decision not to count the levy in the calculation of franking credits was the second “unfair hit” against major public companies and their shareholders as a result of the Coalition’s paid parental leave policy.

    “The levy should generate franking credits, otherwise it’s an additional huge hit on the millions of Australians who own shares in the big public companies,” said the ASA’s spokesman, Stephen Mayne.

    “The first big hit is the fact that the levy means the big companies are already paying a differential tax rate compared with smaller companies.”

    Wonder how many surprises Mr. Cormann and Hockey have for us.

  122. What amazes me about Tony’s PPL is the fact the women he’s going after would already vote Liberal. Rusted on ones at that.

    The voters he is punishing to pay for it, are among his greatest supporters. but when their hip pocket nerve is hit, likely to move away.

    Seen one comment today. A man, whose daughter is on $150,000, could have a baby, and use the $75,000 as a deposit on a house.

    Is the PPL taxed?

  123. We now have Morrison, once again talking down the PNG scheme. It appears he is having success, with a late surge. Keep up the good work, Morrison.

    Once again. up front with exaggerations. Break outs. Are these people really dangerous criminals. I suspect not., I suspect they are quickly picked up.

    Are they a danger to local people, I suspect not.

  124. Just watching the NPC debate on education on ABC. Pyne refused to turn up! Does he hate our national future so much? Pyne must be thrown out of parliament for this despicable act. The Libs must be punished at the election.

  125. Apparently he was busy traveling to Adelaide yesterday when it was on silkworm

    You know, where he lives 😆 😯

  126. Shorten, however, is kowtowing to the Catholic lobby, saying Labor is not out to secularize reducation.

  127. Mr.Rudd, when are you going to put out the figures of what CEF and the price on carbon emissions is costing. How much has it sent up the cost of production and living. Let us know how many jobs it has created. Let us know how many industries have lowered their power costs, with the assistance from CEFC and other bodies.

    This is the best way, to undermine Mr. Abbott’s claim that all that is wrong with this country, is the carbon tax and MRRT.

    And not least of all, has it lowered carbon emissions.

  128. Is this another lie or not?

    One takes there whole entourage along, when one dashes into the chemist.

    “………DEPUTY Opposition leader Julie Bishop has clashed with security staff working for local Liberal Party stalwart Angelo Kakouros at Waurn Ponds Shopping centre.

    At one stage the security staff threatened to call the police, Ms Bishop said.

    It is understood the shopping centre has a policy of not allowing its premises to be used for political campaigning without prior permission.

    The Deputy Opposition leader was with local Liberal candidate Sarah Henderson, and had earlier on Saturday been campaigning in Torquay.

    Ms Bishop maintained that they were not campaigning in the shopping centre when asked to leave by security staff at lunchtime on Saturday.

    “It wasn’t like that at all we had been out campaigning in Torquay and we were driving back and I had to go to a chemist to get some stuff,” she said…”

    Would have been more believable, if she said, they dropped in for a coffee.

  129. Locally something similar Fu.

    Albanese and the local Labor candidate visited a cancer hospital built and funded by the Labor Federal government, and were very warmly received, but the media and others were not allowed inside being stopped by the State government, a Liberal State government. I don’t know what authority they used to do this but it was blatantly obvious the move was to stop positive images for Labor, but at least WIN picked up on it and were negative towards the State government.

    In the meantime, and this will come as no surprise, the local Liberal candidate was launching a campaign at the Nowra horse racetrack to support it.

    So we have Labor helping and funding cancer and Liberal supporting and funding gambling. Newman and O’Farrell stand aside, you have competition at the Federal level to wring more money out of the people.

  130. 4:28pm: Meanwhile, on other uses for boats, the Indonesian government is none too happy with the Coalition’s boat buyback plan.
    “This is really a crazy idea, unfriendly, derogatory and it shows lack of understanding in this matter,” Mahfudz Siddiq, the head of Indonesia’s parliamentary commission for foreign affairs, said earlier today.
    You can read a longer version of Mr Siddiq’s comments here.

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    How many islands in Indonesia. I think I read, 70,000. Sure a great number of boats. .

  131. Mahfudz Siddiq, the head of Indonesia’s parliamentary commission for foreign affairs, said on Monday that it was Mr Abbott’s right to suggest the policy but warned that it had broader implications for the relationship between Jakarta and Australia.
    “It’s an unfriendly idea coming from a candidate who wants to be Australian leader,” Mr Siddiq said.
    “That idea shows how he sees things as [an] Australian politician on Indonesia regarding people smuggling. Don’t look at us, Indonesia, like we want this people smuggling.
    “This is really a crazy idea, unfriendly, derogatory and it shows lack of understanding in this matter.”
    Mr Abb

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  132. I am sure that Mr.Abbott will gert on well with Indonesia, if elected. Why would one think otherwise?

  133. But Hikmahanto Juwana, an international affairs expert from the University of Indonesia, has described the plan as “humiliating”, and says it shows the Coalition has a poor understanding of its northern neighbour.
    Mr Juwana warned the plan would risk a deterioration in relations between Australia and its northern neighbour, adding that it suggested Mr Abbott viewed Indonesian fishermen as “mercenaries who did dirty jobs”.
    “I think the [Indonesian] government should voice protests to the Coalition’s very insensitive plan which clearly shows their poor knowledge about the situation in Indonesia,” Mr Juwana told The Jakarta Post newspaper.
    “The Coalition wants to make Indonesia look inferior because they just want to provide money and ask Indonesians to get the job done for the sake of their interests.”
    He said buying the boats would just cause the fishermen, many of who are

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  134. Sportsbet has just declared the election over, and paid out $1.5m on an Abbott win. Does this mean that if Ruddy wins, then Sportsbet will refuse to pay out?

  135. Did not Abbott say, they would be leaving the curriculum up to the experts, not interfering.
    Are we now to see another Abbott lie, that Gonski is now dean and buried.

    All that Abbott ever promised, was to match funding. Was careful not to say,. he would spend it as Labor planned.’

    What will be entrench, is the broken model of spending, that all said had to go.

    With the defeat of Blabber, we have lost the chance of introducing a spending model, that centres on the need of the child, not the type of school.

    The old argument of private versus state schools continue, with the winners being theprivate, at the expense of the state.

    ………………….Federal Education Minister Christopher Pyne has warned he will take a much more hands-on approach to what is taught in the nation’s schools, as he prepares to overhaul the government body in charge of the curriculum and NAPLAN tests.
    In an ominous sign for the Australian Curriculum, Assessment and Reporting Authority, Mr Pyne vowed not to outsource his ministerial responsibilities and declared the agency was ”not the final arbiter on everything that is good in education”.
    And Mr Pyne was not worried about sparking a fresh round of ”history wars” by claiming the national curriculum favoured progressive causes, saying he did not mind if the left wanted to fight the Coalition on the topic.
    ”People need to understand that the government has changed in Canberra, that we’re not simply administering the previous government’s policies or views,” Mr Pyne said.
    ”I know that the left will find that rather galling and, while we govern for everyone, there is a new management in town.”
    Mr Pyne signalled the interventionist approach in an interview in which he also failed to spell out a clear way forward on school funding.
    The new system of needs-based funding is due to begin in most states in January, but it remains unclear how the Abbott government will treat cash-strapped Western Australia, Queensland and the Northern Territory, the places that did not strike agreements with the Commonwealth before the election.
    Pressed on the school funding issue, Mr Pyne repeatedly said Labor had ”left us a mess” and he would consult with the states and territories on how ”to fix that mess”.
    If the new government were to offer more favourable concessions to the hold-out jurisdictions it could open itself to demands by the early adopters – NSW, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and the ACT – to pass on the concessions.
    NSW Education Minister Adrian Piccoli v…………………………

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    One could be nasty and say, if the minister is the result of private school education, it is a good argument for a new system, of ow education is funded.

  136. What is it with Liberals, that they do not believe in taking the advice of experts in the field in any area. That they, and only they, are the font of all suppositories.

    “……”I don’t believe in handing over responsibility for government policy to third parties,” Mr Pyne said. ”The Westminster system of government requires ministers to take a hands-on approach to matters within their portfolio.
    ”ACARA has an important role but ACARA is not the final arbiter on everything that is good in education.”
    Mr Pyne said the national history curriculum played down ”the non-Labor side of our history” despite the Coalition governing for two-thirds of the past 60 years.
    In a statement to Fairfax Media, ACARA – which has 117 full-time and 22 part-time staff – said the curriculum for English, mathematics, science, history and geography had been ”signed off by all state and territory ministers”.
    It vowed to continue to perform its current roles, which had been agreed by a standing council of state, territory and federal education ministers.
    ”We will prepare advice for Minister Pyne on current activities as well as matters that have been raised in policy statements,” it said……

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  137. Joe Hockey looked like the dog that caught the car at his first press conference as Treasurer.
    His expression oscillated between bewilderment and annoyance, as he went dangerously close to complaining about having too full a “dance card”, and being forced to spend too much time in the capital.
    Tell it to Wayne Swan one was tempted to say – the poor sod seemed to be always in Canberra slaving thanklessly over the numbers, doing the hard grunt work of budget preparation and fiscal management.
    Swan was roundly criticised for his less than confident start back in 2007 – in some eyes he would never recover.
    One suspects now though that if Hockey, just nine days into the job, were fully candid, he’d admit to a grudging respect for his old nemesis.
    Being Australia’s treasurer is regarded as the hardest job in government because it is.
    Friday’s “presser” was ostensibly called to reveal the final numbers from Labor’s penultimate budget – ie the one outlined last year for 2012-13.
    But the focus was always going to broaden out from those plainly historical numbers.
    Which is what happened.
    Questions came from all angles, touching on Hockey’s fractious relationship with Treasury – its head, Martin Parkinson, will leave after the next budget; the true state of the budget now; the current state of the economy and any threats to it; his views on the US Fed’s stimulus tapering; the risks of a housing bubble as cautioned by our own RBA: his thoughts on inflation; an so on.
    His answers were a study in non-answering – even on the broad macro-economic challenges.
    The kind version is that Hockey’s vagueness was deliberate – part of a whole of government strategy right now to say as little as possible.
    But to be frank, it felt more like something else. Like perhaps a government that has not yet made the pyschological transition to office.
    Even the subject of the presser revealed that. Attacking Labor’s 2012 budget required little change from his past practice.
    Narrow attack lines work in opposition and Hockey was as skilled a practitioner of the art as any. But in government, treasurers have to simultaneously project and defend and they have do it across the board.
    Despite Dr Parkinson’s looming replacement, Hockey maintains that his relationship with the Exchequer is in excellent shape.
    So it was surprising that he cast a slur his own department by slamming the revenue projections from the former government’s announced tightening of the Fringe Benefits Tax treatment of privately leased cars.
    The numbers had come straight from Treasury – as recently as July.
    Is the Treasurer really saying the people who are now his senior departmental officials bodgied up the numbers for political purposes?
    Hockey will no doubt find his feet, but if business confidence really has rebounded from the change of government alone, then it wouldn’t take too may directionless press conferences like Friday’s to send it back the other way.

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  138. My guess would be on Hockey not finding his feet. He’s heading into this:

    Australia’s tax mix: examining the case for a rise in GST

    The main reason for a consumption tax is that even when things are tough, people still keep consuming

    Business and industry are going to heavily pressure the government to reduce their taxes whilst increasing taxes on the consumers, in other words increase the GST.

    I don’t believe it will happen in Abbott’s first term but if he gets a second then it definitely will.

    Workchoices in some form or at least in its early stages, might be started in this term but will definitely be fully implemented if Abbott gets a second term.

  139. For your information. The right wingers have been attempting to shift the blame for the first eight boats onto Rudd.

    I just read that Rudd handed in his resignation to the GG on the 8th with it coming into effect first thing on the 9th of September, meaning that the Coalition were the caretakers with Abbott the caretaker PM. The situation came about because Abbott delayed the swearing in by one week, my guess being because he knew a swag of boats were coming and he wanted to avoid the blame.

  140. Abbott delayed the swearing in as long as possible, for one reason in my opinion. The later he installed his government, the later he could recall parliament. He has to to this, I believe within 30 days, from the swearing in Vermonter.

    This means he can out it off until mid November,. A two or three week sitting, then close down to maybe February next year.

    I see others are asking, why parliament has not been recalled, and a mini budget put forbearer the house.

    Hockey’s non answers, along with Cormann yesterday, seemed to be saying, they will not be saying anything to the New Year.

    So much for the emergency.

    AS for Abbott dealing with the asylum seekers, if he was genuine, he would have been in NY, along with the new foreign minister, Bishop.

    I say this, as that is where all the leaders in our region are to be found. Yes, all except him, were in the same place. Maybe this is the reason he did not want to go. Maybe he does not want to talk to them.

  141. Has one noted, that Mr. Hockey and Mr. Turnbull are saying they do not believe the figures, put out by government departments.

    What they are saying, is that these departments are lying. When one follows Pyne, he is saying more or less the same thing.

    This is not saying, that the department are leaning towards the previous government, and their opinions cannot be trusted.

    They are accusing these heads of department of lying. Accusing them of cooking the books and releasing false numbers.

    If so, why have they not announced immediate investigation by the police. If true, they would be committing criminal offenses.

    Why would heads of departments, put their careers on the line, to lie to the Coalition.

  142. It would not surprise me, if Abbott did not pull a Keating, and not turning up for every QT.

    By the way, I believe that QT would perform better, if the PM was not there every day. They do not turn up every day, in other similar Parliaments across the globe.

    With Abbott, it would be to avoid questioning though. Not attempt to improve QT.

    What we need ot do in our democracy and political system, is to move the attention away from the PM, back to the whole of government.

    In reality, the PM carries no more power within the house, than the lowest MP. Each only have one voter, on the floor of the houses.

    We need to move back to the Westminster system.

  143. Fed up I have been reading up on the appointing of a new government if the incumbent government isn’t reelected, in that case the government continues on as normal.

    Under the Constitution Act 1986, the transition to a new government can occur almost immediately.

    There was nothing stopping Abbott taking control of government on Sunday the 8th and swearing in the new cabinet on Monday the 9th, and indeed it seems he did take control almost immediately as news of changes he was implementing appeared in the media starting the Monday and continued up until the cabinet was sworn in.

  144. I like what many politicians have done with their Face book pages and Twitter. Where they make comments, that let us get to know them, and where the are coming from.

    I am thinking of the likes of Emerson, and yes, even Rudd.

    It seems to be the only place, today where the mix with the common man.

  145. Andrew Leigh, is another who produces essays, and communicates with the general Punic, nearly on a daily basis..

    I have big problems with this idea, that the PM keep a tight rein on his members, with no dissention being entered into.

    I have big problems with a stage managed government.

    I fail to see what they mean, b y describing Abbott’s government as disciplined;.

    What about the virtue of self discipline. What about having trust in your minsters to carry out their role.

    What about having the guts, to come out and convince the voter, of the worth of his policies.

    There seems to be arising, the perception, or even belief, that democracy means, once every three years, once casts their vote, then one lets them get on with it for the next three years.

    That one has no further interest, involvement or responsibility in the matter..

    I do not believe that is a prudent way to treat our democracy. One needs to be forever vigilant. That is how one protects our democracy.

  146. As I said, not taking immediate control, allows him to limit the sitting of the houses this year.

    He cannot do much until after next July. He does not want his policies debated, with this present Senate.

    What would happen, all his legalization would be sent off to Senate hearings.

    The one thing Abbott cannot afford, is his legislation, to be reviewed by anyone.

    He will be hoping this changes July 2014. where he can push all thorough, with little accountability or review.

  147. I heard Rod Cameron say this morning, that Abbott would win by a landslide, if he had to face the party members to be elected. Maybe, that is true, as I suspect most of their members are of a similar ilk.

    Not sure if the result would be the same, if all that voted Liberal had a vote.

    I suspect, many voted for the Coalition, in spite of Abbott. Well that seems to be what the polls say.

    ABC 24

  148. Mr. Abbott has even abandon the concept of community cabinets,.

    Maybe they were stage managed events , but at least, they did answer some questions of the voter, on a personal basis.

    I have big problems of Abbott saying, he will only address us when he has something to say. What i the hell does this mean?

  149. PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has ignored reporters seeking information on up to 90 deaths after an asylum boat sank off the coast of Indonesia last night.
    Up to 70 asylum seekers are still missing, feared drowned, after their boat broke up and sank en route to Australia.
    At least 22 people, mostly children, are confirmed drowned after the boat, which was believed to be carrying about 120 passengers, struck rough seas on Friday off the coast of Java.
    One of the passengers, a Lebanese man, had reportedly lost his pregnant wife and eight children in the disaster.
    Just 25 of those aboard had been rescued before efforts to locate survivors were postponed last night due to failing light. The remainder were still in the water.
    The boat broke up after it began taking on water about 6pm AEST.
    The t………….

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    Yes, run rabbit run.

    Surely talking about a man losing a wife and eight kids is important enough to talk about.

    I believe the Navy is acting under rules that Labor and Indonesia agreed to. Mr, Abbott have you changed those rules.

    As you have not spoken poinsettia, that cannot be true.

  150. Tony Abbott ✔ @TonyAbbottMHR
    Nothing quite like being in Melbourne on #AFLGF day. Looking forward to a great game. My tip? Hawthorn by two goals.
    11:13 AM – 28 Sep 2013

    att ✔ @CandiceWyatt10
    BREAKING: @TonyAbbottMHR has RUN from the AFL grand final breakfast & refused to answer questions about the latest asylum seeker deaths
    10:09 AM – 28 Sep 2013

  151. “The government has previously said that when there was a tragedy or a significant event at sea, then they would provide briefings,” he said.
    “I would call on the government, through the home affairs minister or the immigration minister, to provide those briefings to the Australian people today.
    “This can’t wait for Mr Morrison’s weekly briefing. These updates should be provided as and when the government can.”

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  152. Clint. Deidenang @clintd22
    Today the 9th asylum seekers families transfer underway at #Nauru International airport. Children spotted onsite. First bus load leaves tarm
    10:42 AM – 25 Sep 2013

    Clint. Deidenang @clintd22
    An asylum seeker transfer plane has just departed from #Nauru Intl airport after another successful without incident human transfer.
    9:56 AM – 28 Sep 2013

  153. I think we might have seen what Abbott intends to do for the next three years. Yes, he is back to his antics of running, or Earlene running from any incident he does not like.

    Did not appear very adult like to me.

  154. Will he reap what he sows.

    “……..One can only expect the ABC to be next. Turnbull is not a vicious man, but having agreed to learn the Abbott songbook by heart he will no doubt now be required to chant a dirge while purging that institution of commies and limp-wristed ne’er-do-wells.

    Come 2016 this will clearly have been a major mis-step. By rewarding the bloodlust of right-leaning leafleteers and those who manned the booths on September 7 (not ‘personned’ the booths, as a sacked ABC staffer might put it), Abbott is only continuing the childish, acrimonious tone of the 43rd parliament.

    The early days of the Abbott government were a chance to rise above that, to put a new face on politics. It was a chance to wear the clothes of a statesman, speak to a nation of adults and, most importantly, draw a stark contrast with the clownish ways of Labor.

    Heads on platters, a crucified scientist, secretive military strikes against refugees, and washing one’s hands of the problem of global poverty is a poor way to begin. It will send the anti-Rudd vote flooding back to either Bill Shorten or Anthony Albanese. It is a great mistake. …….

  155. It is a vision of the future – grounded in the past.
    New Education Minister Christopher Pyne invites us to imagine classrooms where teachers return to old-school instruction – becoming more of a deliverer of facts, less of a convener of activity-based learning. He wants young readers to sound out words – and public school administrators to enjoy more of the freedoms of their private education counterparts.
    The so-called history wars of the Howard government era are back with a vengeance: Pyne believes the national curriculum has too much focus on progressive causes and ignores the role of the Coalition political parties in building Australia.
    Education Minister Christopher Pyne
    Taking education back-to-basics: Christopher Pyne. Photo: Melissa Adams
    And in an ominous sign for the government body that oversees curriculum development, Pyne warns the agency it is ”not the final arbiter on everything that is good in education” and he will take a much more hands-on role.

    ”I don’t mind if the left want to have a fight with the Coalition about Australia’s history,” the minister says in his new Parliament House office, where he has on his wall a 1963 Liberal Party flyer denouncing Labor’s faceless men.
    ”People need to understand that the government has changed in Canberra, that we’re not simply administering the previous government’s policies and views. I know that the left will find that rather galling,” he says with a grin, ”and while we govern for everyone, there is a new management in town.”
    Not everyone is keen on Pyne’s crusade. Some educators have warned against a return to ”chalk and talk” teaching. And the education union and historians have told Pyne not to meddle in the curriculum for political reasons.
    ”My instincts tell me that a back-to-basics approach to education is what the country

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    Yep, Pyne knows best. The man that does not believe that a child’s home life has anything to do, with ability to learn.

    A man, that does not see class size or money having anything to do with a first class system. A man that see nothing wrong with the funding model.

    What are the basics. Looking at what one of my grand daughters is being taught in grade one, computer skills top the list.

    That is along with the old writing, reading, spelling and maths. I say maths, as sums no longer explains what they are expect to know.

    Also being able to compose, and be able to give a three minute presentation with props. Just topics like I had a dream etc.

    Yes, she can Google with the best of us. Is expected to, to find out information.

    Yes, Mr. Pyne, what do you mean by basics.
    Do you mean, standing in front of a class, telling them what to do.

    Sorry, Mr. Pyne, have you taken time to look at what your four are doing. If they are not doing what my grand kids are, you are wasting money with those private schools.

    I forgot, they are also taught values, and being responsible for ones own behaviour. Bullying is strictly outlawed.

  156. ………….Those involved in drafting the curriculum strongly reject the claims, saying it includes a range of topics and is not politically skewed. Capitalism, nationalism and British settlement are among topics examined.

    Canberra writer David Stephens, secretary of a new group called Honest History to be launched next month, says history is much more complex than Judeo-Christian values, the Anzac sprit, Shakespeare, Queen Victoria and the long-serving Liberal prime minister Robert Menzies.

    Honest History, which lists former Australian War Memorial historian Peter Stanley as its president, is being created before the centenary of the Anzac landing at Gallipoli to contribute to debates about the event’s significance.

    Stephens says Pyne’s black armband comment implies that there are people who only look at the negative side of history. ”We need to confront both the good and the bad,” he says.

    Australian Education Union vice-president Correna Haythorpe says curriculum matters are best left to the experts, arguing it is not acceptable for politicians to try to impose their own views of history.

    Haythorpe condemns Pyne’s ”distractions” from the school funding debate – and urges the minister to focus on implementing the multibillion-dollar reforms that flowed from David Gonski’s sweeping review.

    She says the federal government must sign up the three holdout jurisdictions of Western Australia, Queensland and the Northern Territory to the needs-based system targeting disadvantage – and those governments must not be allowed to chip in less of the funding share than other states.

    ”Clearly we’re in an untenable position because the new federal government has articulated no position on how schools across the country will be resourced long term,” Haythorpe says.

    Pyne is vague about the way forward on school funding, with just months until the new system begins in January. His mantra is that Labor ”left us a mess” and the Coalition will move calmly and methodically ”to fix that mess”. He will not elaborate beyond saying he is consulting with the states and territories and his department to find a solution.

    There is no detail about what will be on offer for the three jurisdictions that did not sign up to a deal with Labor before the election.

    Pyne says he was clear during the campaign that the Coalition would offer the same federal funds that were available in the coming four years, but he will not clarify whether that includes the $1.2 billion that was removed from the federal budget as a result of three jurisdictions not signing up.

    Pyne claims to have hit the ground running. Asked when he might know how he will deal with the funding situation, Pyne says: ”Hopefully sooner rather than later.”…………….

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  157. What is it with Liberals being cowards and unable to stand on their when facing the media.

    But at least some of the MSM are in part holding the cowards to account.

    NineMSM reporting on Bishop the younger being impressive in New York, sprinting great distances for one photo opportunity with world leaders after another, from Obama to Ban Ki-moon.

    Yet the moment she was asked to front the media for some questions she ran as fast as she could the other way.

    NineMSM has reported that Bishop has gone out of her way to avoid the media that wasn’t related to a photo op and that her aids have also run away from media questions.

    Rudd is also in New York to accept named as an “Eminent Person” by the UN body, the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organisation (CTBTO).

    Abbott running away from the media, Bishop running away from the media, the rest of the government under strict control when and how they can talk to the media it was left to Bowen to talk to the medai, which he did without fear, answering every question openly and honesty, and without running away.

    What a shocker of a government that has been elected in this country.

  158. Bad if true. Reported by the SMH.

    Australia ignored boat rescue call, claims survivor

    Michael Bachelard, in Cikole, Indonesia and Bianca Hall September 28, 2013

    Death toll rises: 21 dead, 33 missing after asylum boat sinks
    Comment: what price are we willing to pay?
    Abbott’s visit to Indonesia marred by spat

    Traumatised survivors of another boat sinking tragedy off the coast of Java insist Australian rescue authorities knew their exact location for more than 24 hours before they sank with the loss of an estimated 59 lives.

    “I called the Australian embassy; for 24 hours we were calling them. They told us just send us the position on GPS, where are you,” one survivor, Abdullah, a man from Jordan, said.

    “We did, and they told us, ‘OK, we know … where you are’. And they said, ‘We’ll come for you in two hours’.

    “And we wait two hours; we wait 24 hours, and we kept calling them, ‘we don’t have food, we don’t have water for three days, we have children, just rescue us’.

    “And nobody come. Sixty person dead now because of Australian government.”

    Shades of Siev X, and if true the Howard era has well and truly returned but worse.

  159. Abbott being pounded by social media and some MSM over his run rabbit run today. Not only that the Hawthorn footy club had a jibe at him when he walked in for the breakfast by playing “It’s a Man’s World”.

    Abbott running away from the media has always been a joke to us but now he’s being widely treated as a joke because of it.

    Two weeks in and all the signs of the worst PM in our history are building up.

  160. Copper cheaper than Fibre? Only if you “cook the books” radically!
    Comparing costs is only half the picture, profits are what drives business. Turnbull has omitted anything to do with revenue, charges or profits from everything he’s released.

    Using the correct Discount rate of 4.6%, nearly all sets of FTTP/FTTN costs put Fibre ahead, or at the same cost as Copper, even with the highly unrealistic costs chosen by Turnbull: Fibre costs 100% higher than actual and leaving out all Telstra payments for Copper.

    If you include payments to Telstra, Copper is always more expensive than Fibre.

    If you use the actual Fibre costs of NBN Co, then at worst the difference is negligible ($17/year) or the Copper FTTN is from 50%-60% more expensive than Fibre over 15 years.

    Comparing the Costs of Fibre (FTTP) and Copper (FTTN) networks.

  161. The trolls accuse us of not being fair to Tony,. We do not have to do anything, He is doing a good enough job of it, himself.

    He is just making us work too damn hard, keeping up with the shenanigans, that has been government foe the last 11 days.

    Wonder what the Insiders, Meet the Press and Bolt have in store for us tomorrow

    Bet we hear nothing about those polls.

  162. news A leaked draft copy of NBN Co’s latest corporate plan has provided further confirmation debunking the Coalition’s claim that Labor’s all-fibre version of the NBN could cost as much as $94 billion, as evidence continues to stack up that deploying fibre to the premises is not as expensive in Australia as previously thought.

    In the six months before the recent Federal Election, it became common for senior Coalition figures to claim that Labor’s FTTP version of the NBN project would cost dramatically more than Labor had been predicting. The Rudd and Gillard administrations, as well as NBN Co itself, had consistently stated that the total cost of constructing the FTTP version of the NBN would cost around $44 billion, although NBN Co was also projecting that it would make a financial return on its costs of around 7 percent over a thirty year period, meaning that the NBN would eventually pay for its own construction.

    “It will be $94 billion to the taxpayer,” then-Shadow Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull told 7:30 host Leigh Sales in April this year, after the Coalition released its rival policy. “… apparently they’re ignoring the fact that it’s going to cost taxpayers $94 billion,” the Liberal MP told Sky News the same month. The claim was also repeated by a number of other senior Coalition figures such as then-Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, especially during the election campaign itself.

    The veracity of the Coalition’s claim in this area is critical, when considering the debate between the use of different technologies in the NBN’s construction. If the Coalition’s claim is accurate and a FTTP-based NBN will cost significantly more to construct than Labor had been projecting, then the case for the Coalition’s much more modest, fibre to the node-based policy, which it has costed at $29.5 billion, is strengthened.

    However, if the Coalition’s claim is not accurate, then much of its argument that the NBN should be built on a FTTN basis becomes less persuasive.


    Yes, the government has to prove that NBNCo will cost 90-100 billion as they claim.

    If this is not true, they should go ahead with NBNCo.

  163. We better pray.

    “…………..For me the key issue was that the review that he has announced is, in his own words, ‘not dogmatic’. He has first of all asked NBN Co to review its operations with the aim of coming up with changes that will see lower costs and a faster rollout within the current parameters of the project, this being mainly an FttH rollout,” wrote Budde in a separate blog post.

    “It is now up to NBN Co to make changes to its plan that would allow it to continue the project, under the existing specifications but in a much more effective and efficient way. And, according to the experts I talk to, this is possible. NBN Co should therefore be able to come up with a better plan, based on the new situation that has presented itself to them under the new government … It is now up to NBN Co to show that it is indeed able to build as much as possible of the original NBN, cheaper and faster.”..”

    I wonder if Abbott fell under the proverbial bus, would most of his silly demolition schemes go with him. After all, we would have had the ETS, if Malcolm was not rolled by Abbott.

  164. It is OK for us, the taxpayer to pay the three thousand for Brandis and Joyce to attend the wedding of Michael Smith on the Central Coast.

    Yes, Brandis made a political speech, thanking the man for all the work he has done, pursuing MS. Gillard for her past activities and the AWU.

    Yes, that is the justification made by this our new government on day 12.

    Yes, it is only day 12

    Yes, and all the girls on the dance floor, lined up to dance with Brandis.

    As the Insiders said, under the Howard government, both would be gone.

    Attending the wedding, for the reasons given, is beyond the pale. Expecting the taxpayer to pay, there is no

    Be interesting if Shorten is asked for his opinion. I expect not, as Cassidy ids doing his best ti dig up dirt.

    The new government is under strong condemnation for their handling of the latest boats incident.

    Shorten, not usual for politicians to claim expenses for attending weddings to build up networking with journalists.

    Shorten, tongue in cheek,said there should be a police investigation.

    By the way, the speech was about freedom of the press.

  165. Would this have been about the time that Brandis was attacking Slipper in the media on a daily basis.

    Why has it taken so long to emerge? Why now?

    “..Two of Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s most high-profile ministers claimed thousands of dollars in taxpayer entitlements for attending the wedding of close friend and Sydney shock jock Michael Smith.
    It was a little less than two years ago and Smith had just left 2UE after a falling out over his attempt to raise allegations about then prime minister Julia Gillard’s relationship with a former union official and the misappropriation of funds.
    He was tearing up the dance floor.

    The shock jock did not have a best man. But two close friends spoke: George Brandis, then one of the Abbott opposition’s lead attack dogs and now Attorney-General, and deputy Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce. Mr Joyce read a poem called Fair Dinkum Love. Senator Brandis made a bridal speech before dominating the dance floor.
    According to travel expenses lodged with the Department of Finance, the duo collectively billed taxpayers nearly $3000 for flights, hire cars and incidental expenses incurred on the trip.
    Senator Brandis claimed $1700, including more than $1000 on return flights, $143 on a hire car and the overnight ”official business” allowance designed to cover accommodation and incidentals.
    He told Fairfax Media on Saturday that he regarded the wedding as a chance to ”foster collaboration” over Mr Smith’s work covering the then prime minister and the Craig Thomson scandal and it was therefore ”primarily a professional rather than a social engagement”.
    ”These were both matters of significant national interest on which I spoke frequently in Parliament and the media,” he wrote in a statement.
    The federal Department of Finance’s guidelines state MPs are allowed to claim travel and accommodation expenses for official business including ”meetings of a government advisory committee or taskforce” or ”functions representing a minister or presiding officer”. Meeting with journalists is not a purpose sanctioned by the guidelines.
    Senator Brandis let his hair down at the wedding reception at John Singleton’s boutique hotel, Bells at Killcare.
    ”He was tearing up the dance floor,” Mr Smith said about his wedding guest at the time.
    But Mr Smith told Fairfax there were nearly 10 people working in the media at his wedding and the senators used it as a chance to network. Mr Smith and his wife arranged for the two senators to be dropped back at the Mantra Ettalong Beach hotel by stretch limousine.
    Senator Brandis later claimed $349 in ”official business” entitlements for overnight trips and designed to cover accommodation, meals and incidentals. Mr Joyce did not claim that entitlement.
    Mr Joyce claimed a flight to Moree the next day and about $500 worth of charges for the use of a Commonwealth car on the day of the wedding. He said he could not recall whether he had other meetings that day but defended the use of public resources to attend the wedding.
    ”There were, no doubt, lots of people there involved in politics,” he said. ”It was one of these things where you’re noted more by your absence than by your participation.”
    In the last Parliament, Senator Brandis made the case for prosecutions of Mr Thomson and Peter Slipper………..

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  166. Keep in mind, this man is our Attorney General.

    What it does tell us, is he worked closely with the media, to bring down Gillard, by keeping a 20 year old alleged AWU scandal alive.

    Is that the role of elected MPs?

  167. To put this in a time frame. It was two years ago. What were the headlines of that time.

    Yes, it was the height of the attacks on Thomson and Slipper.

  168. Yes, another promised broken. My emphassis.

    “…………..We want to see a rolling 15-year list of our national infrastructure priorities created by Infrastructure Australia; obviously to do that Infrastructure Australia will be working very closely with the state governments and the state infrastructure bodies where they exist and all of the projects on the rolling list that we wish to create should be backed by a published cost benefit analysis,” he said.
    “I have given a commitment that we won’t spend more than $100 million on any single infrastructure projects without a published cost benefit analysis.”
    Mr Abbott
    – who he wants to be known as an “infrastructure prime minister” – also pledged during the campaign to deliver an annual statement to parliament on the progress of major projects.
    “Every year in the parliament there will be an infrastructure statement,” Mr Abbott said.
    “It will be designed to ensure that we don’t just talk about infrastructure, we actually get it built.
    “I would like to think that should we win the election I will be known as an infrastructure prim….

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  169. I was strongly condemned on this and other sites, for making the statement, that using tablets and phones on planes is no longer dangerous. At the time. I was only repeating, what pilots of the planes where saying. Thankfully the person no longer has access, but continues the tirade, at another site.

    “……….Earlier this year, the US Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) put together a panel of aviation experts to look at whether personal electronic devices (PEDs) could be used on planes without compromising safety.

    The results are in: the committee is recommending that electronic devices – such as tablets, e-readers and other PEDs – be allowed during all phases of flight (including take-off and landing).

    The FAA asked the Advisory and Rulemaking Committee to investigate this particular issue after growing public scepticism about limitations, and increased public pressure to allow passengers to use their electronic devices during all phases of flight.
    When applicable, passengers will have to switch their devices to airplane/flight mode. Passengers will hence be allowed to listen to music, watch a movie, play games or read an e-book on their e-reader or tablet – as long as the data was downloaded and saved on the device before take-off.

    As the committee’s report points out, many new generation aircraft have the appropriate shielding to prevent any interference from PEDs that may be on board.

    The FAA is widely expected to follow through with the committee’s recommendations and will likely begin implementation next year. Other regulatory agencies, such as Australia’s Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA), are expected to follow FAA’s lead on the issue..”

  170. …..TONY Abbott told his former leader and mentor John Howard on election night that he was the only person he could turn to for real advice in his new role as Prime Minister.
    .News Corp Australia can reveal that Mr Howard is penning an update of his autobiography Lazarus Rising and it is understood a new chapter will reveal the intimate conversation between the pair.

    Mr Howard, Australia’s second longest serving prime minister, has long had a strong relationship with Mr Abbott, and joined him for celebrations at the Four Seasons Hotel in Sydney on September 7…………..

    Once again, back to yesterday’s man.

    I know of two men , that Howard got back into the game. Sinodinos and Bough. Both seem to be carrying much baggage,

    Bough in the Ashbey matter. Sinodinos in the scandals going on in NSW that involve more that Labor connections.

  171. AGRICULTURE Minister Barnaby Joyce will repay more than $600 for a Comcar for travel relating to the controversial wedding of former Sydney radio host Michael Smith.
    Mr Joyce today said he had written to the Finance Department to correct his error and enclosed a cheque for about $650 to cover the cost he had wrongly billed taxpayers.

    “This is ambiguous so I have repaid them,” he told News Corp Australia.

    The travel was claimed for Mr Joyce to go from Channel Ten Studios in Sydney to the hotel he was staying at on the NSW central coast in December 2011..

    I still do not know what was wrong with jumping on the train. Easiest way of traveling from the City to Kilcare.

  172. A friend of the President’s and former Indonesian ambassador to Australia Sabam Siagian wondered whether Tony Abbott would bring a new style to personal relations between the Australian and Indonesian leadership.
    Specifically, he wondered whether he would follow Mr Rudd’s “Bapak” example.
    He sure did.
    “As you know Bapak President, this is my first visit to Indonesia as Prime Minister. This is, in fact, my first overseas trip as Prime Minister and I am grateful to you Bapak President for allowing me to keep a promise to make my first overseas trip as Prime Minister to Indonesia,” he said starting his statement.
    And he even said Australian students sent to Indonesia to study under a new scheme would be known as Yudhoyono Fellow.

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  173. Sunshine Coast MP Mal Brough says he will vigorously defend a defamation suit brought against him by mining magnate Clive Palmer.

    In August, Mr Palmer claimed Mr Brough had approached him to fund a sexual harassment case against former Speaker Peter Slipper. Mr Brough denied the claims.

    Mr Palmer later lodged an $800,000 defamation suit against the new Member for Fisher.

    Mr Brough, who won the Sunshine Coast seat for the LNP at the September federal election, says he will staunchly defend the case.

    ‘I have 28 days to lodge my defence. I’ve done that, or I’ve done the work with my lawyers, and they’ll do whatever is necessary,’ he told the ABC on Wednesday.

    ‘We will defend that case very vigorously. It won’t distract me from the job that I have to do here.’

    The defamation action is the latest development following a sexual harassment case lodged against Mr Slipper by former staffer James Ashby.

    The case was thrown out in December by Federal Court judge Steven Rares, who said Mr Ashby had ‘pursued a political attack’ against his former boss ‘in combination’ with others, including Mr Brough.

    After the federal court ruling, Mr Brough said he’d done nothing wrong, and had acted appropriately at all times.

    Meanwhile, Mr Palmer’s own bid to enter parliament remains unresolved.

    There will be a recount of every single vote in the neighbouring Sunshine Coast seat of Fairfax, after Mr Palmer finished just seven votes ahead of his LNP opponent Ted O’Brien.

  174. Pyne back on the history wars, in spite of what Abbott said. It appears to Pyne, there is a new government in town, and he decides what is to be taught.

  175. Mr. Pyne believes there is too much about Whitlam. Not enough about Menzies.

    Trouble for Mr. Pyne, all Mr. Menzies achieved was to lose government during the war, to win it back later with a new party. Yes, he holds the record for the lenght of time he was in power.

    Trouble, Whitlam being one of the shortest, achieved much more.

  176. Actually, this one is easy to argue with

    In all other respects, such as the way he sacked a lot of his ideological opponents as soon as he got in, the image is true, however, he was all hard ass before the election on asylum, but has turned into the meek little pussy cat since.

    Funny, how the media is trumpeting his trip to Indonesia as a success. I guess in a way it was, Indonesia got everything they wanted.

  177. Another day and another Liberal government capitulation on their tough rhetoric before the election.

    McFarlane is going to hold off on cutting industry assistance to Holden until a productivity report. Productivity reports take at least six months.

    So as each day passes for the new government it seems they have either fully kept previous Labor government policy or are implementing previous Labor government policies under proxy Liberal headlines.

    The only thing they have done off their own back is to dismantle all ministries and senior public servants that had anything to do with science, and to close down access by the media, enclosing their government in secrecy.

    What a terrible claim to efficacious governance, and only two week in power.

  178. Australia’s Abbott squirms under spotlight unable to explain refugee boats policy
    (10-02 10:23)

    Gaffe-prone Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott has been accused by the opposition of “back-pedalling at 100 miles an hour” on his hardline asylum-seeker policies during a diplomatic visit to Indonesia this week.
    Abbott, who is presiding over an anemic economy and rising joblessness, visited Jakarta promising to “Stop the Boats” a center piece of his campaign.
    His policies, which include turning people-smuggling boats back to Indonesia, pre-emptively buying up rickety fishing vessels and paying villagers for intelligence, were coolly received in Jakarta, and Abbott appeared to waver on the key points after talks with President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, AFP reports.
    Striking a more conciliatory tone, Abbott insisted Australia had never said it would tow boats back to Indonesia but “turn boats around when it is safe to do so” and his vessel buy-up “was simply the establishment of some money that could be used by Indonesian officials working cooperatively with their Australian co…………

    How the world sees the Honorable PM Abbott.

    Wonder whether Holden will tell Mr. Abbott to go jump in the Lake, as they are not willing to wait. Why should they.

  179. Another day and another Liberal government minister bad stuff up.

    Pyne being exposed on being out of touch on his calls for a return to the old chalk and talk education when most studies have convincingly found that the modern teaching methods such as constructivism, comprehensive learning and conceptual Pedagogy persistently give better outcomes to a wider range of students.

    And probably the reason Pyne wants a return to chalk and talk. That method advantages a very small group of learners to the detriment of the majority of students.

    Here again we have the Liberals dumbing down of Australia whilst advantaging a privileged few.

  180. Wonder whether Holden will tell Mr. Abbott to go jump in the Lake, as they are not willing to wait.

    Yet another Liberal government minister embarrassment.

    Macfarlane kept speaking over Holden MD Mike Devereux at the press conference. Devereux was on camera with Macfarlane off camera to the side but when Devereux tried to speak Macfarlane kept talking over him.

  181. My emphasis. “Ties which are already thriving.”

    …………..The Foreign Ministry announced that Abbott would be in Indonesia next Monday and Tuesday to hold talks with President Yudhoyono on economic and sociocultural cooperation, and regional and global issues.

    “PM Tony Abbott’s visit to Indonesia is expected to improve bilateral ties, which have so far thrived under the comprehensive partnership scheme,” Teuku Faizasyah, the president’s spokesman on international issues, said on Friday.

    But Abbott’s top priority, driven by promises made during an election campaign that saw him take power, is clear from his choice of traveling companions. Besides his foreign minister, Julie Bishop, the Australian leader will be accompanied on Monday by his minister for immigration, Scott Morrison.

    This is because the issue sure to receive most attention next week is the flow of asylum seekers arriving in Australia by boat, which Abbott has staked his political reputation on stemming. Success depends to a large degree on cooperation from Indonesia, as the final transit point for most asylum seekers.

    Abbott’s public posturing, however, has been calibrated for domestic consumption, and has had exactly the opposite effect in Indonesia, where plans to deploy more Australian Federal Police and use the Australian navy to “turn back the boats” has stirred strident opposition.

    The Golkar Party has urged the government to strongly reject Australia’s plan to forcefully turn back asylum-seeker boats coming from Indonesia, saying on Thursday that the policy would entail Australian authorities entering Indonesian waters.

    “What both countries need to do is to work together and forge strong cooperation on programs that prevent illegal immigrants from entering Australia,” Theo L. Sambuaga, the party’s deputy chairman said in a press release.

    Tantowi Yahya, a Golkar member of the legislative commission that oversees foreign and defense affairs, said that Abbott’s plan should be firmly opposed.

    Tantowi said the plan was offensive and urged Foreign Mi………..

    GIF • 4 days ago −
    This Frank Sinatra look alike is actually coming by way of a rickety boat to see how dangerous the high seas may be…Then his Indonesian counterpart may understand how important it is to infringe on his territorial sovereignty to catch the asylum seekers before reaching the world of Oz.
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  182. As we have had Hunt on all day, it is time for some truth. None in what he has had to say, including 7.30.

    “…………..What Greg Hunt didn’t say about the carbon price and emissions

    Greg Hunt misleading on emissions.
    PHOTO: Greg Hunt misleading on emissions. (AAP: Alan Porritt)
    MAP: Australia
    There’s been a lot of hot air blowing around on Labor’s carbon policy, including that its pricing scheme has not managed to stem emissions in the 15 months it’s been operating.

    New federal Environment Minister Greg Hunt says that under the carbon price emissions have actually increased. And in an interview with Lateline last week he quoted figures to back up the claim.

    “The strange thing about the carbon tax was that emissions went up, not down, from 560 to 637 million tonnes,” Mr Hunt said.

    He was unequivocal. The carbon price “doesn’t work”, “doesn’t do the job” and is “a just hopeless means of achieving the outcome,” he said during the interview.

    The claim: Greg Hunt says emissions went up under the carbon price from 560 to 637 million tonnes.
    The verdict: Mr Hunt based his claim on modelling for the year 2020. He failed to mention that the same modelling projects that emissions would go up further if a carbon price wasn’t in place. Mr Hunt’s claim is misleading.
    But Mr Hunt’s claim is not so cut and dried.

    A spokesman for the minister said the numbers came from a 2012 report by the Climate Change Department. That report does contain the 637 million tonnes figure, but not in the context Mr Hunt used in the Lateline interview. The report says that under Labor’s carbon pricing scheme emissions are likely to be 637 million tonnes in 2020.

    It’s a projection that takes the carbon price into account and predicts where our emissions will be in seven years time with a market-based carbon pricing method in place. The same report also finds that without the carbon price, emissions would be 8 per cent higher in 2020.

    Mr Hunt has used modelling predicting an outcome in seven years’ time to say the carbon price as it stands today is not effective. The figures are projections, not fact, and cannot be used to make a point about emissions rising over the 15 months the carbon price has been on the books.

    VIDEO: What Greg Hunt didn’t say about the carbon price and emissions (ABC News)
    The most recent official data on emissions from the Climate Change Department is for December 2012, which covers the first six months of the carbon price.

    At the end of 2012, total annual carbon emissions stood at 552 million tonnes, around the same as at the end of 2011…..

  183. Day 14 of this government, and one does not know which way to look.

    What was today’s stunt of Abbott about?

  184. Malaysian democracy activist Haris Ibrahim was supposed to visit Australia this week, but the Australian government refused him a visa.

    Abbott’s attack on democracy and freedom of speech continues, just as we said would be the case before the election.

  185. Bringing Fey over for the afternoon, a visit to the War Memorial. PC with two questions, each . Then back home. No one seems to know why. Appears it was a bonding session. Yes, and to say once more, which he has said in the past, that NZ managed the GFC better that the Labor government. That we should follow the example of NZ. If it is not a stunt, I do not know what it was about,

    Had to divert from the bad press he is getting in Asia.

    Looks like we might not end up being a part of the Asian century.

    They see one another later this week.

  186. Well his trip to Indonesia was a success. for the Indonesian President.

    What I love, it will be Morrison that has to back down, The talks are to continue with him, and the Indonesian Minister.

    That is all that Abbott achieved, is further talks. Nothing else.

  187. Prime Minister Tony Abbott has heaped praise on the economic performance of New Zealand under John Key, saying the country provided the ‘very model’ of centre-right government he’d happily emulate.

    However, that goodwill doesn’t mean Mr Abbott will back down on the thorny issue of welfare benefits for Kiwis living in Australia, again raised during the New Zealand Prime Minister’s visit to Canberra.

    New Zealanders living in Australia have long complained about being ineligible for welfare benefits, which Australians get when living across the ditch.

    And Mr Abbott reiterated that the 300,000 New Zealanders in Australia on special category visas were unlikely to attain all the key benefits of permanent residency despite paying billions of dollars in taxes.

    ‘New Zealanders have better access to Australia than the citizens of any other country and that’s right and proper,’ said Mr Abbott, who added that he was happy to further discuss the issue with Mr Key.

    ‘But I’m very happy with the situation that exists right now, which is that Kiwis coming here know that they’re expected to work and pay taxes from day one.’

    Mr Key said he would continue to advocate for New Zealanders………..
    .I’d like to say how impressed I am with the way the New Zealand national government has promoted economic growth, pursued very sensible orthodox economic policies, without in any way engaging in what’s become known as austerity,’ he said……….
    .One issue that wasn’t canvassed was that of gay marriage, which was legalised by the New Zealand parliament last year………….

    …………Mr Key’s half-day visit also included a stop at the Australian War Memorial, where both leaders laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier……….

  188. I was rummage’n around in the cellar… 😉 as one does 😀 *clink* … and came across an old CW buddy…. and after a few more sips and clicks, came across the following quote…. anyhoo, cheers….. and a *toast* to the new Minister for Science *clink* …. whom ever she may be 😕
    “A poet once said “The whole universe is in a glass of wine.” We will probably never know in what sense he meant that, for poets do not write to be understood. But it is true that if we look at a glass closely enough we see the entire universe. There are the things of physics: the twisting liquid which evaporates depending on the wind and weather, the reflections in the glass, and our imaginations adds the atoms. The glass is a distillation of the Earth’s rocks, and in its composition we see the secret of the universe’s age, and the evolution of the stars. What strange array of chemicals are there in the wine? How did they come to be? There are the ferments, the enzymes, the substrates, and the products. There in wine is found the great generalization: all life is fermentation. Nobody can discover the chemistry of wine without discovering, as did Louis Pasteur, the cause of much disease. How vivid is the claret, pressing its existence into the consciousness that watches it! If our small minds, for some convenience, divide this glass of wine, this universe, into parts — physics, biology, geology, astronomy, psychology, and so on — remember that Nature does not know it! So let us put it all back together, not forgetting ultimately what it is for. Let it give us one more final pleasure: drink it and forget it all!” — Richard Feynman

  189. ” ….. it’s not just my conclusion. The IPCC’s conclusion that most of the warming since 1950 is very likely due to human emissions of greenhouse gases has been endorsed by:
    the National Academy of Sciences,
    the National Aeronautics and Space Administration,
    the National Center for Atmospheric Research,
    the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
    the American Geophysical Union,
    the American Institute of Physics,
    the American Physical Society,
    the American Meteorological Society,
    the American Statistical Association,
    the American Association for the Advancement of Science,
    the Federation of American Scientists,
    the American Quaternary Association,
    the American Society of Agronomy,
    the Crop Science Society of America,
    the Soil Science Society of America,
    the American Astronomical Society,
    the American Chemical Society,
    the Geological Society of America,
    the American Institute of Biological Sciences,
    the American Society for Microbiology,
    the Society of American Foresters,
    the Australian Institute of Physics,
    the Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society,
    the Australian Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO,
    the Geological Society of Australia,
    the Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies,
    the Australian Coral Reef Society,
    the Royal Society of the UK,
    the Royal Meteorological Society,
    the British Antarctic Survey,
    the Geological Society of London,
    the Society of Biology (UK),
    the Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences,
    the Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society,
    the Royal Society of New Zealand,
    the Polish Academy of Sciences,
    the European Science Foundation,
    the European Geosciences Union,
    the European Physical Society,
    the European Federation of Geologists,
    the Network of African Science Academies,
    the International Union for Quaternary Research,
    the International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics,
    the Wildlife Society (International),
    and the World Meteorological Organization.

    There aren’t any national or international scientific societies disputing the conclusion that most of the warming since 1950 is very likely to be due to human emissions……” ….. one wonders if the new Science Minister is taking note. 😦

  190. How the world sees the Honorable PM Abbott.

    It is interesting how, locally, the media have painted his trip to Indo like a conquering Caesar, but the world media have highlighted the monstrous back-flip and grovelling he did, while giving a back-handed swipe at Labor for their troubles. It has also set a rather awkward precedent going forward. As did this, which our local media continue to ignore (even though they have been made aware of it) but the rest of world see, and are not impressed with.

  191. Something else our media is failing to report, Labors reaction to the ‘triumphant’ visit

    He was criticised by centre-left Labor on Tuesday, with interim leader Chris Bowen saying his policies showed “ill thought-out sound grabs from opposition are proving unsustainable in government”.

    “Tony Abbott is now back-pedalling from his ridiculous buy-the-boats policy at 100 miles an hour, as he should,” Bowen told the Australian Financial Review.

    “However, it is embarrassing for Australia that it took Indonesia to tell us that it wasn’t on, and Tony Abbott didn’t just realise himself that it was a ridiculous policy.”

    The only reference to this was an AFP copy/paste in the West

    Everything else I have seen locally is simply gratuitous fornification of dear leader. The gg even had downer claiming it was one of the greatest foreign visits ever ❓ laughable

  192. Oops, looks like not all sides of our media have missed the locking out of journalists. Perhaps because this might be bigger than thought?

    Tony Abbott has incurred the wrath of Indonesia’s journalists by excluding them from a press conference, and even committed a criminal offence, according to the head of the country’s journalists’ union.
    “The press law in Indonesia says it is a crime to limit journalists to get access to information. The penalty for that is two years’ imprisonment,” Mr Umar said.

    “We cannot accept whatever reason Australia gave for limiting access to information for Indonesian journalists.”

    Mr Abbott’s office did not respond to requests for an explanation.

  193. The sad thing is that during my 72 years, I have seen this battle denying science playing out three times, at least.

    Yes, the first was when the damage that asbestos caused raised it’s ugly head.

    Even so, many thousands more will die. Yes the science won out in the end.

    The industry, and what driver it lost.

    The second one is even more disgraceful, if that could be. Yes, the tobacco industry is carrying on the fight to this day. Thankfully, it is a fight they are losing. It will be interesting to sees, if our 15 day old government reverses the policy on plain packaging. There are signs they will.

    Now we have man made global warming, caused by carbon emissions, by burning fossil fuels, to produce electricity. An unnecessary and in the long run, expensive process. The producers of fossil fuel, that s in the main coal, are fighting hard, and in this case, they, along with the deniers appear to be winning out.

    What is occurring, is a battle by those who stand to make money, protecting their own patch, by rubbishing the science, and deniers jumping on board.

    In all cases nearly 100% of scientist did not support their view.

    There are many other incidents of similar behaviour, but these three stand out.

    We deny all at our peril.

    Yes LOVO, the list you put up is impressive.

    This 15 year old government not only denies science in many fields, including their own Direct Action, but deny the advice of experts in most fields. This includes, sadly education.

    For some unknown reason, without any education in the fields, they know better.

  194. After relegating politics to the back pages since the election the Herald Sun has on it’s front page, “Abbott’s Refugee Triumph.” What a friggin’ joke that headline is.

    Then there is the news that Turnbull was considering Wal King for the NBN board. Wow, sacking a board for supposedly being incompetent and replacing one of them with a corrupt business crook.

    There’s a newspaper story of Hockey now saying he mulls going on about deficits and pursuing surpluses with infrastructure building being the most important goal.

    This government day on day just stumbles from on major disaster to another and one huge back flip after another, and all in the shortest time ever.

    Then comes a clanger, that the ABC hasn’t touched.

    Abbott broke the law in Indonesia with a crime that carries a two year jail term, he did this after saying he respects Indonesia’s sovereignty, yet won’t go back to face their courts over breaking one of their laws.

  195. The overseas press have been ridiculing Abbott since the day he was elected. What amazes me, that they are even saying anything at all.

    It seems that the ridiculing has increased in the Asian region.

    There have been a increase it appears, in Australian journalists writing pieces, telling them how wonderful Mr. Abbott is. Even mentioning his wife and daughters.

    Do they believe Asians are as stupid, as some of us appear to be.

    I cannot remember another Australian PM being reported in this way.

    Much be the reason for Mr. Fey to come across the ditch for afternoon tea, yesterday. The only reason I have seen for the visit, which was out of the blue, is bonding between the two leaders.

    Wonder what day 15 will bring.

    Should be time for more polls, one would think. The last two, sunk without a ripple.

  196. The PC yesterday, with Fey, was limited to two questions each. Fey accepted further questions.

    This is becoming ridiculous. Why do not the media give him a miss, and just use the press release.

    They are just wasting their time. Most of Abbott’s spiel, is still the slogans he has used for over three years, anyway.

  197. Fu there was the Indonesian Foreign Minister releasing the record of his conversation with Bishop the younger in New York. As was reported, this is unprecedented in foreign affairs.

    No wonder they hid Bishop away in Abbott’s Indonesian visit. And after watching some more vision of Abbott in Indonesia they should have hidden him away as well.

  198. “There’s a newspaper story of Hockey now saying he mulls going on about deficits and pursuing surpluses with infrastructure building being the most important goal.”

    Is this not what Gillard was on about from day one. It is a shame she got districted by surpluses.

    Even so, infrastructure in all its forms was never off her agenda.

    If Hockey is telling the truth, I take it changes to NBNCo and CEF are off the table.

    I presume that his government is going to ahead with the Gonski reforms, and ditch the idea, that their funding model is not broken.

  199. There was also the comment after the PC with the President, with a minister saying, whatever that means. I think it was about the agreement for talks between the two ministers to come.

    It looks like Abbott has set Morrison up for the back peddling. Could not happen to a nicer person.

    I think the asylum seekers policy is going to be, the one that Gillard set up, that Rudd put in place. The PNG solution.

    I wonder when someone is going to kick up about the numbers being reduced, that we take, back 13,7000. I am sure that was, or will be discussed.

    No boats will be turned back. We need to know what they really mean by TPV. We will take more.

    There will be no Australian interference within the borders of other countries.

    I am sure that while Abbott is at the Bali APEC meeting, he will be forced to talk to other leaders in the region. I am sure they have much to say to our Honorable PM.

    Can someone take him aside, and teach him how to eat and drink, in polite society.

    I wonder when someone is going to kick up about the numbers being reduced, that we take, back 13,7000. I am sure that was, or will be discussed.

  200. Some unconvenient facts.

    “..In the past 12-month period a large number of mean temperature records have fallen across Australia including:
    Australia’s warmest month on record (January)
    Australia’s warmest September on record
    Australia’s largest positive monthly anomaly on record (September)
    Australia’s warmest summer on record (December 2012 to February 2013)
    Australia’s warmest January to September period on record
    Australia’s warmest 12-month period on record (broken twice, for the periods ending August and September)
    Indeed, Australia’s warmest period on record for all periods 1 to 18 months long ending September 2013
    Two significant daily maximum temperature records were also set this year:
    Australia’s hottest summer day on record (7 January)
    Australia’s warmest winter day on record (31 August)
    The periods inclusive of September 2013 have also resulted in numerous State and Territory mean temperature records including:
    Warmest September on record for South Australia, Victoria, New South Wales, Queensland and the Northern Territory
    Largest positive monthly anomaly on record for South Australia and Queensland (September)
    The warmest January to September period on record for South Australia, Victoria, New South Wales and the Northern Territory, and also for Melbourne, Sydney and Adelaide
    The warmest 12-month period on record for South Australia, the Northern Territory, and southern Australia
    In addition to these records, and those set during the heat events of January and autumn, many individual stations have set records for early season heat or September record highs.
    Generally above-average temperatures have persisted with few breaks since September 2012. The period has been characterised by long periods of warmer-than-average days and a distinct lack of cold weather. Nights have also been warmer than average, but less so than daytime temperatures.
    Every calendar month since September 2012 has recorded temperatures at least 0.5 °C above average, with eight of those thirteen months topping 1.0 °C above average including January, April, May, July, August and September of 2013. Widespread record warmth has also been recorded in the ocean……

  201. Mr. Pyne, time to listen to the experts. The future of the children are too important for you not to.

    “…….Is there a literacy crisis?

    Despite the ongoing claims of a literacy crisis in Australia, we continue to perform well on international comparisons and are not becoming less literate as proponents of back-to-the-basics teaching, as the new education minister Christopher Pyne might argue.

    Put simply, there is no literacy crisis.

    The 2013 NAPLAN Summary Report shows that 95.3% of Year 3 students and 96.2% of Year 5 students are reading at or above the national minimum standard. These figures have improved on the 2012 NAPLAN results, where 93.6% of Year 3 students and 91.6% of Year 5 students were reading at or above the national minimum standard.

    On the 2009 Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), Australia ranked well-above the OECD average for reading..”
    …..The CIS essay also claims that the past 30 years have been dominated by whole language ideologies, and that these are to blame for a poor performance in literacy. Yet, if literacy levels have remained relatively stable over the past decade of international comparisons, how can this argument be true?

    There is no doubt that we can continue to improve the literacy levels of all Australians. The continuing low Indigenous literacy levels, and reducing the gap between students from low to high socioeconomic backgrounds should clearly be priorities.

    But to say we’re in a crisis, when we’re not, is far from helpful.


    Mr. Pyne, you have to accept the fact, that all research has shown, the the biggest problem is the gap between students from low to high socioeconomic backgrounds should clearly be priorities.

    Mr. Pyne, your model is broken, and does not address this problem.

    Mr. Pyne, Gonski model attempts to.

    Mr. Pyne, your job is not one, get on with the job.

    Mr. Pyne, it was the Howard model, that has caused the mess, not Labor. Flag poles and rewriting the history curriculum, did little to bring education up to scratch.

    Ms. Gillard as first as Education minister, then as PM, that has pulled our education system, into this century, into the digital age.

    The schools halls were just a bonus, to go along with all those computerized class rooms as well as science and language laboratories.

  202. What knowledge does that man have of fibre installation?

    No winder Turnbull has gone quiet, I thought that Turnbull was making announcements today, re the NBNCo board.

  203. Yes, it must be uncomfortable to keep ones head in the sand.

    You’d be forgiven for thinking science is under attack. Climate science has been challenged by deniers and sceptics, vaccination rates are falling thanks to anti-vaccination movements, and GM crops are pillaged by anti-GM activists. But what determines why people take these positions?

    Foremost is a person’s “worldview”, their basic beliefs in how society should be structured and operate. Recent research has shown time and time again that people who endorse extreme free-market economics are prone to reject science with regulatory implications – such as the link between tobacco and lung cancer, or greenhouse gasses and climate change.

    On the flip-side are speculations that the anti-GM and anti-vaccination movement are the domain of the political left. Some commentators have even referred to a “liberal war on science”, and have claimed that both ends of spectrum have their own selective blindness to evidence.

    So, is the rejection of science politically symmetrical? If people on the right reject climate science, do people on the left reject evidence inconvenient to their worldview?……………

    You’d be forgiven for thinking science is under attack. Climate science has been challenged by deniers and sceptics, vaccination rates are falling thanks to anti-vaccination movements, and GM crops are pillaged by anti-GM activists. But what determines why people take these positions?

    Foremost is a person’s “worldview”, their basic beliefs in how society should be structured and operate. Recent research has shown time and time again that people who endorse extreme free-market economics are prone to reject science with regulatory implications – such as the link between tobacco and lung cancer, or greenhouse gasses and climate change.

    On the flip-side are speculations that the anti-GM and anti-vaccination movement are the domain of the political left. Some commentators have even referred to a “liberal war on science”, and have claimed that both ends of spectrum have their own selective blindness to evidence.

    So, is the rejection of science politically symmetrical? If people on the right reject climate science, do people on the left reject evidence inconvenient to their worldview?

    Has GM Bishop made a comment on the Greenpeace people being locked up and charged with piracy>…….

  204. Should be time for more polls, one would think. The last two, sunk without a ripple.

    Don’t you you you you worry about that Fu (channelling JBP). I’m sure Newspoll is very busy manufacturing conducting one as we speak 😉

  205. Not too sure what type of business that Australia is open for.

    I was not aware, that we were ever closed.

    “………….Some have interpreted this sequence of events as a sign of a new Abbott foreign policy that is quietist and attuned to regional sensitivities – in short, Australia is open for business and human rights play second fiddle. This, however, represents no great change from government attitudes under Labor, which simply called Xenophon’s detention and ban “surprising and disappointing.” Australia’s relations with Malaysia, as with the region as a whole, continue to be dictated by economics and the shadow of “boat people.” Malaysians who have made Australia their home will continue to play an increasing role in shaping homeland politics – but only from afar. None of this bodes well for the diaspora’s hopes for positive change any time soon. • – See more at:……………

  206. Bacchus. I wonder why our visitors are not showing up I thought they would be out in force, telling us how wonderful this 15 year old government is. At least one would think, they would be challenging what we are saying about the honorable PM, Mr. Abbott

  207. Sorry, it feels like years, but is only days.

    The truth is that Abbott talks as if he is still going to be around in fifteen years.

    It maybe fifteen years, if the likes of Bowen, and I suspect the other two, dare give Rudd a job. A nob of any kind.

    I seen that Abbott has bought Cory Bernadi back into the fold. No longer on the outer.

  208. Good to see that turnback is exercising his “enlightened” values in the appointment of the new NBN board. 😈

    Fairfax Media has obtained hundreds of confidential documents that it says show corruption and cover-ups were widespread across Leighton’s international businesses.

    The documents include a handwritten note that allegedly shows former chief executive Wal King approved $42 million in kickbacks to “a firm in Monaco nominated by Iraqi officials” for a $750 million oil pipeline contract.
    Obviously probity was not one of the selection criteria where dismantling of the NBN is required by ideology.

  209. If it is Labor, it must go. Why has it have to be so petty?

    …………….Tony Abbott’s Aged Care Minister has refused to reveal the future of a federal strategy to ensure gay and lesbian residents are treated with respect, including $2.5 million earmarked for ”sensitivity training”.
    The government is also tight-lipped on whether it will move to reverse recent legal changes that banned faith-based aged-care facilities from using a religious exemption to discriminate against lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex residents.
    It is unclear whether this reluctance signals changes or simply reflects a continuation of Mr Abbott’s clamp-down on public comments by ministers.
    The former government’s national LGBTI ageing strategy included sensitivity training for the aged-care workforce and expansion of a community visitor scheme to address LGBTI social exclusion.
    The Assistant Minister for Social Services now in charge of aged care, Mitch Fifield, declined to say whether he endorsed the strategy or whether LGBTI people faced discrimination and prejudice in aged-care provision.
    In a one-sentence response to Fairfax Media questions, Senator Fifield’s spokeswoman said the assistant minister had sought a briefing on the issues and would be ”working through them”.
    Attorney-General George Brandis declined to answer a simple question about whether the…………….

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  210. ……………The beleaguered Health Services Union is suing its national secretary, Kathy Jackson, for $35,000 over expensive legal advice it says she got without permission in the wake of allegations against former MP Craig Thomson.
    The HSU filed its claim in the Federal Court last Friday, seeking to claw back the money spent on advice from Sydney lawyers Toomey Pegg……………

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  211. Sacked NBN Co board member Brad Orgill has lashed out at both sides of politics, describing management of the NBN under Labor as “dysfunctional” and criticising Malcolm Turnbull for treating the previous board unfairly.
    Mr Orgill was the only NBN Co board member not to give in to demands to resign made by the new Communications Minister, Mr Turnbull. After refusing to resign, Mr Orgill was sacked……..

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  212. Mr.Abbpott sends Mr. Turnbull to destroy NBNCO, then jumps up and down, blaming Labor, when Turnbull has some success.

    “…………..Outgoing NBN Co chief executive Mike Quigley has taken a parting swipe at some contractors building the $40 billion high-speed national broadband network (NBN), blaming them for delays that have plagued the project.
    The foundation boss of NBN Co also insisted the project was largely on budget and long-term revenue projections for the network remain ”achievable”.
    ”It is certainly true that some of our delivery partners have not been able to scale their activities as quickly as we had hoped and this part of the rollout is behind where we would like it to be,” Mr Quigley said in a memo to staff.
    Mr Quigley stood down on Thursday after flagging his retirement earlier this year. His exit came as former Telstra boss Ziggy Switkowski was confirmed as leader of a new three-person board to oversee Australia’s largest infrastructure projec………..

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  213. It’s easy for opposition leaders to berate governments that have to deal with evolving facts and restraints. You can get away with all sorts of wild accusations and claims in opposition – talk down the economy, scare the horses, pretend there’s a budget crisis – but it’s more than a little different when you actually have a duty to act responsibly for the good of the nation.
    The new Hawke and Howard governments both broke “promises” upon obtaining the treasury benches. They needed to. It was a serious fault of the initial Rudd government that it didn’t break some of the promises made during an even worse election campaign than this one, when Howard and Rudd competed to tell Australians riding the biggest boom in our history that they were doing it tough and both needed and deserved more handouts from government. Having said “me too plus $1 more” to everything Howard promised, Rudd mistakenly adopted the final Costello budget and proceeded to deliver yet another round of tax cuts when the Reserve Bank was trying to slow the economy with increasingly desperate interest rate hike

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  214. Is preschool education the most important of the lot?


    ………….We don’t know precisely why this is happening, but it may be because the latter group had better education and a more stimulating environment. We know that both increase the reserve capacity of the brain and its ability to ward off dementia for a longer period.

    It is now well known that early education sets the stage for cognitively stimulating activity through life, and it is quite likely that gains in universal education in the early part of the 20th century contributed to the improvement.

    Whether better nutrition and physical environment also have a role is unclear because the physical health of the 1905 and 1915 Danish cohorts did not differ.

    No resting on laur….

  215. This new government just keeps on being one big running joke in a circus full of bungling buffoons.

    So the most urgent priority outside of stopping the boats, which all of a sudden is no longer urgent, the carbon tax, will not be stopped until July next year when guess what, it was due to end anyway.

    What a feckin’ joke this government is and more so the fools who voted for them.

  216. It would be a real laugh cuppa if it weren’t so damagingly tragic for the country looking at the deceits and broken promises being rolled out by this woeful government, and in such an incredibly short time, along with the right wingers not even attempting to defend it knowing they have supported a real turkey, but instead doing, “look over there at Labor”.

  217. Mobius,

    There is a chance this will rebound on the media. As people wake up that they were sold a dud (or, more aptly, a dud was pushed on them), they will mark the media down in terms of credibility. The less cred the media have (and it’s already low) the harder it will be for conservative parties to gain traction in the future, reliant as they are on the MSM to carry them.

  218. the carbon tax, will not be stopped until July next year when guess what, it was due to end anyway.

    I recall tabot saying that they would remove the Carbon Price (not playing semantics) that it was irrelevant if it was a floating or fixed price, the mechanism for a price on carbon would be revoked. He didn’t elaborate on their stoopid plan though

  219. The way it seems to be heading Tom is that both the next round of protocol talks, which our government has to attend, and the IMF are moving to implement more wide ranging and stricter adherence to carbon reduction targets. This was one of the reasons Abbott in opposition promised he would match Labor’s target.

    The problem for the Abbott government going ahead is that the world is moving towards pricing and trading mechanisms, that is free market but with set targets that must be adhered to. Even countries like China and the US are buying into this.

    If Australia is a pariah in this, and this appears to be what Abbott wants, then I can’t see countries we trade with and who have carbon pricing/trading schemes in place not penalising us to some measure for those goods and services that in production and transport they traded off or priced carbon on. Whereas for countries they trade with that have equivalent carbon pricing/trading in place it there are no penalties imposed as they are on an equal footing.

    Would also be interesting to know if there are carbon reduction trade offs in the FTAs Abbott is rushing headlong into. For example I can’t see China not imposing carbon penalties in their upcoming FTA with Australia since it is moving towards nation wide whole of government carbon pricing mechanism whereas now Australia is dismantling theirs.

  220. The problem for the Abbott government going ahead is that the world is moving towards pricing and trading mechanisms

    So, we are going it alone in moving away from a Price on Carbon?

    Didn’t see that coming 😯

  221. Tom it was another of their big lies that we immediately picked up but the right wingers here lambasted at the time.

    Who in the Coalition opposition at the time said that the world was moving away from carbon pricing and taking up direct action plans on the back of China and the US announcing carbon pricing?

  222. Who in the Coalition opposition at the time said that the world was moving away from carbon pricing

    Not sure about the coalition, but one of their biggest propaganda agents did when he directly LIED to the PM in order to weaken her position and tell us, again, that we were going it alone

    Interesting that now it turns out that the direct opposite is the case, and was all along.

  223. The abbotts still sponging off the taxpayers. Ms Abbott this time

    When The Sun-Herald called the Australian Turf Club to speak to Ms Abbott about the trend of politicians’ children taking up modelling, the paper was referred to Mr Abbott’s press secretary and told Ms Abbott does not have her own agent. ”[Bridget] is being managed by Tony Abbott’s media agents,” the BMW Sydney Carnival’s PR agency, Torstar Communications, said in an email. Asked on Friday whether taxpayer dollars were being used to foot the bill for media inquiries about Ms Abbott’s activities, a spokesman for Mr Abbott said his office was not acting as her agents.

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  224. So Japan is Abbott’s best friend today. Wonder who it will be tomorrow.

    I have a seven year old granddaughter, that everyone she meets is her bested friend. We are having big problem’s developing in her, social, boundaries, but she is slowly learning that there are differences in whom one called friends, and casual acquaintances. I see Abbott in this light, but he has not grown up.

  225. More lies

    Claims by Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull that Visionstream had stopped work on the construction of the fibre-to-the-premises portion of the National Broadband Network (NBN) in Tasmania were inaccurate, according to Visionstream.

    Turnbull yesterday accused the NBN construction partner of stopping work in Tasmania, and questioned whether the company would be able to reach all 200,000 premises to be passed by fibre in the state by 2015.

    “As far as we can see, no work has been done by Visionstream for at least two months. And they’ve basically downed tools,” he said.

    “The last figures we saw from NBN Co showed that less than 20,000 premises had been passed with fibre in Tasmania, and so that’s less than 10 percent of the total rollout, so obviously com………..

  226. The length that those on the loony right are willing to go to, to get their own way. To create the world as they see it.

    “…………………….Why aren’t Republicans more afraid? The entire premise of both the government shutdown and the threats to force the government into debt default is that Democrats care more about the consequences of these actions than the Republicans do. Republicans may go on TV and shed crocodile tears about national monuments being shut down, but the act isn’t really fooling the voters: The only way to understand these fights is to understand that the GOP is threatening to destroy the government and the world economy in order to get rid of Obamacare (as well as a panoply of other right wing demands). Just as terrorists use the fact that you care more about the lives of the hostages than they do to get leverage, Republican threats rely on believing they don’t care about the consequences, while Democrats do.

    So why aren’t they more afraid? Businessweek, hardly a liberal news organization, said the price of default would be “a financial apocalypse” that would cause a worldwide economic depression. This is the sort of thing that affects everyone. Having a right wing ideology doesn’t magically protect your investments from crashing alongside the rest of the stock market.

    The willingness of Republicans to take the debt ceiling and the federal budget hostage in order to try to extract concessions from Democrats is probably the most lasting gift that the Tea Party has granted the country. More reasonable Republican politicians fear being primaried by Tea Party candidates. A handful of wide-eyed fanatics in Congress have hijacked the party. The Tea Party base and the hard right politicians driving this entire thing seem oblivious to the consequences. It’s no wonder, since so many of them—particularly those in leadership—are fundamentalist Christians whose religions have distorted their worldview until they cannot actually see what they’re doing and what kind of damage it would cause…………..”

    Ones in this country are little better. They sure scare me.

  227. Summo, It might surprise you bust I would rather be writing that Summo was right, and we are all wrong.

    Sadly, I cannot do this, as our honourable PM has turned out far worse that any of us could have imagined.

  228. Our former, first woman PM has moved on with her life, and has quickly carved out a new career, both in this country, and on the world stage, which we will hear much of.
    She appears to be greeted with the highest praise and respect, wherever she goes.

    “…………Former prime minister Julia Gillard has returned to the spotlight after maintaining a dignified silence since her removal as Labor leader in June. Since the defeat of the federal Labor government, she has been rapturously received at public functions in Melbourne and Sydney, signalling that she is likely to enjoy a high public profile in the years to come.

    Political parties are often keen to encourage former leaders to move on to enable a clear run for the party’s new leader. But the tendency of political careers to commence early in life has meant that prime ministers face political defeat in middle age, with decades left to participate in public life.

    The most important determinant of a former prime minister’s public profile is the viability of the political project that they represented. Some very successful leaders such as Bob Hawke or Robert Menzies seemed out of step soon after their terms ended, but other less successful leaders were better attuned to the spirit of the age.

    Gillard will enjoy a long political afterlife because of her political project. The combination of a cautious social democracy and an appeal to feminism has a significant social base. The struggles she experienced as prime minister resonate with the experience of many women, even those who are strongly critical of aspects of her record in government. Her market-friendly social democracy is the common sense of much of the global political class….”

  229. @ 8:14 am

    God that lizard thing he does is creepy, and apart from sucking on a pen by pushing it up and down in his mouth, the most embarrassing thing an Australian leader has done on the world stage.

    He makes it worse when shaking hands with world leaders he walks right up to their personal space, grabs their elbow to hold them close and then does his lizard thing into their face at close quarters.

  230. ME, I do wonder who the joke is really on.

    A joke, he truly is.

    One needs yo follow up last nights Lateline, to under stand what Abbott is about. Anything foes as far as he is concerned.

    Whales, it appears is no longer on the agenda.

    I am concern with Abbott’s philosophy of taking what one cage get. That one cannot have anything.

    Does this mean, that signing trade agreements is more important. than what they contain.

    Yes, consultations have been going on to long, with both trade matters.

    The main reason being, that others are demanding things that are not in Australia’as interest. Both the Howard and Labor governments, were in agreement i this case.

    I can only take Abbott’s words to

    Love Brandis position on the ACT Gay Marriage Laws. I suspect his legal views will be as proven in the past, far from fact.

    One never knows where the higher courts go.

  231. The other sad joke on Australia Fu is Abbott going around to each country he previously aspersed when he was in opposition and now telling each separately they are Australia’s closest and best friend.

    Does he think that these nations won’t notice this and doesn’t he realise they have media that won’t cover for his diplomatic stupidity as our media covers for his domestic stupidity.

  232. Tony Abbott gaffes
    Based on this list of gaffes since August 2010, Tony Abbott is no more fitto be Prime Minister or to represent Australia on the world stage now thanhe was three years ago. Between August 2010 and August 2013 Abbottinsulted, offended or annoyed to varying degrees Africans, Irish,Indonesians, Chinese, Finns, Papua New Guineans & Luxembourgers.Abbott was elected as PM on 7 September 2013. He is the only worldleader who, as a parliamentarian, attended court to vouch for thecharacter of a priest found guilty of indecently assaulting a 15 year oldboy.
    Abbott’s creepiness is evident in a pre-election video to Big Brotherhousemates in which he appeared with two of his daughters, asking forvotes because his ‘daughters are hot’.
    Questions have been asked about expenses Abbott claims for days heswims, runs, cycles and volunteers.
    Taxpayers paid $336 in taxi fares forhim to attend church on Good Friday
    and $23,560 to charter a plane fortwo days in 2012 to visit Bendigo and Horsham.
    In 2009 Abbott used$9,400 of taxpayers’ money to promote his book which he repaid in 2010after being caught out. Compare with Peter Slipper, who has faced courtover alleged misuse of Cabcharge vouchers worth $964…………..

  233. Telling all that you have contact with, “bested friends” is a sign of immaturity that most grow out of by the age of ten.

    Who is the acting Solicitor General. Why is he acting. I assume that it is a he.

    How come the media knows who won the vote yesterday, wher the vote has not yet been counted.

    They then go on, and form their political views and conversation, based on something, that is not yet fact.

  234. SEE ALSO: 10 pictures of Tony Abbott in eye-wateringly tight sportswear with appropriately sarcastic commentary

    Tony Abbott has enjoyed a landslide victory at the Australian Federal Election, but some of his rather outspoken views have raised eyebrows and sparked concerns.

    Here, we researched some of the new prime minister’s most memorable quotes produced over the years:

    “Abortion is the easy way out. It’s hardly surprising that people should choose the most convenient exit from awkward situations.” March 17th, 2004
    “While I think men and women are equal, they are also different and I think it’s inevitable and I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all that we always have, say, more women doing things like physiotherapy and an enormous number of women simply doing housework.” 2010………………..

  235. Fed up, yes indeed the Brits in particular are somewhat bemused that someone like Abbott has become Australia’s Prime Minister. No wonder Abbott runs when asked for a reply as whenever he’s is coaxed into saying anything, something foolish emerges.

  236. Time for the problems to be fixed up. Just adopt the rues that the taxation follows.

    “…………The verdict

    The rules are not clear. In the many documents describing how the system works, there is no definition of what constitutes parliamentary, electorate and official business. It is up to individual members and senators to judge whether they are entitled to be reimbursed for travel to weddings, school fetes, iron man competitions, fun runs or charity events. Mr Albanese is incorrect.

    Yes Carol, wherever we look overseas, we see nothing but ridicule of our honourable PM.

  237. President of Myanmar Thein Sein and his wife Khin Khin Win, Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his wife Gursharan Kaur, during a group photo at the East Asia Summit in Brunei. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    “……Armed conflict in the South and East China seas cannot be ruled out, Tony Abbott has admitted after talks with world leaders including China and Japan.
    Attending the East Asia Summit in Brunei Darussalam, the Australian Prime Minister said he believed simmering tensions between China and a number of other countries over claims to several groups of strategically important islands as well as significant oil and gas reserves, were reducing but the risk of war remained.
    Prime Minister Tony Abbott speaks with an Australian-based journalist who was not allowed to his press conference during the East Asia Summit in Brunei.
    Prime Minister Tony Abbott speaks with an Australian-based journalist who was not allowed to his press conference during the East Asia Summit in Brunei. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen
    He backed calls for a code of conduct, arguing an orderly resolution of differences in the disputed territories was vital to trade, which in turn was crucial to Australian jobs and prosperity for all.
    “Almost 60 per cent of our trade goes through the South China Sea, so strategic stability is very important,” he said.
    Asked if the threat of war remained, he said: “There’s some risk, no doubt about that. But I think it’s a risk that’s reducing because of the kind of work that is happening at a conference such as this.”
    Not for th…………….

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    No sign of Marge. Left her in Bali, it seems.

  238. …….”I’m a new prime minister. We will say our piece when there are major human rights abuses taking place, but generally speaking, it’s not the job of the Australian Prime Minister to stand up and give lectures to the wider world.”
    While Mr Abbott declined to offer a commentary on his own performance on the international stage, a positive atmosphere surrounding the talks was sullied by his refusal to discuss any changes to travel entitlements of MPs, and by the refusal to allow some journalists to attend his press conferences.
    One journalist, Phoenix Television’s Australian Chief Correspondent, George Yang, was barred entry despite being an Australian resident, a working journalist, and a properly accredited reporter for the East Asia Summit……………..

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  239. So Abbott, in 24 days, and following mostly Gillard/Rudd PNG scheme and arrangements made with Indonesia, has stopped the boats.

    Are they claiming, that cooperation of our police with those of Indonesia was not occurring, when they came into power.

    No, after 24 days, I would rather lay the credit with Labor.

    Notice, they move from Monday, if they have what they think, good news to give. Who ordered those patrol boats?

    Why was not the police involved in todays stunt, asked what was the situation before September 18.

    I suspect, exactly the same, as is occurring today. What has changed, is two boating accidents, leading to loss of life close the Indonesians shores.

  240. By the way, the Administrator of Christmas Island, disagreed today with Abbott and Co. Said the policy, which he did not like, that of Rudd/Gillard is the reason that there has been a pause in the boats coming.

    Yes, the arrangements made with Indonesian and the PNG scheme.
    Abbott and Morrison have not had time to put in place, anything, that would be showing results yet.

  241. .

    ………..Joh Bjelke-Petersen made a joke of it by referring to ”feeding the chooks”. Hawke, Keating, and John Howard – the ”battler’s friend” walking in his tracksuit every morning – all handled the media in their own distinctive and effective ways.
    But Gillard would have none of that. She was convinced – rightly – of her own ”self worth” and believed good policies by her government would carry the day. It was almost as though she took a carefully researched and prepared legal brief into those Canberra press conferences, to be cross-examined by an easily distracted jury of political journalists and commentators.
    When I worked with Gillard in John Brumby’s office before she entered Federal Parliament, the early Monday morning meetings in the state opposition leader’s office would be filled with footy talk, as is the case in offices throughout Melbourne in the winter months. Finally Brumby, Steve Bracks (Bracksy), Rob Hulls (Hullsy) and John Thwaites (Thwaitesy) would get down to the more serious business of discussing the key political issues and events for the coming week………….

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    It seems all the public wants is bullshit.

    Why did the caucus leave all the heavy lifting up to Gillard. No PM can do it on their own

  242. Just spent a week in Germany for work, and of course, the only station in English was CNN. I was struck by the ads being shown by Ericsson, who are triumphantly saying how they are building a FTTH network in Australia, and how it is with their knowhow that it is being built to take Australia to the forefront of the world in internet access.

    Someone should tell Ericsson that the new government feels that we do not deserve FTTH, that the copper network is just fine (to protect someone Foxtel business interest perhaps?).

  243. G’day Joni or should I say ” Hallo altes Haus”
    FttN is a furphy that Malconnect is more than aware of ( Mal’s french connection qualifies this, mm ) …. Mal is bidding his time with honing….. Mal understands the concept of hiring a ‘temp’…just ask Ziggy…just ask Tony… just ask Eric and his boy, mm …… Mal understands that nothing is permanent…..just ask any old, ageing, media mogul…just ask Mummy’s Trust Fund….just ask Julia 😯 …… Mal understands what a stooge is….. Mal understands that tony dosen’t…dot,dot,dot 🙂
    FttH is a certainty because only ‘full blown’ neo-cons are against it…. where as even the lowest LP aspirationalisticism wants it… do ‘others’.
    FttN is a lemon…. it’s not so easy to sell a lemon….. just ask Mal 😉 … just ask Rupes..
    Tony has NO problem with/or the concept of ..’the lemon’…. he being one, as it were 😈
    One wonders if Ericsson is more in the ‘loop’ than the Australian public 🙄

  244. I take it from what Abbott is saying, he is going to be the first PM that negotiates with no one. Will make no deals.

    Does that mean, he believes he has the power of a dictator.

    Maybe, he believes that all should stand aside, allowing him to do as he wishes.

    Maybe the Opposition should not turn up, saving the taxpayer money, as Abbott sees no role for them.

    I suspect, the spoilt, arrogant man, for the first time in his life, has a big shock coming.

    “……….Gillard’s deals with independents and the Greens were no more or less pragmatic than deals by Howard with non-government senators. Indeed, Howard’s deal with Mal Colston – making him deputy president of the Senate in exchange for treachery to Labor – was much riper than most, trading directly in personal favours and emoluments.
    Clive Palmer wants to have Abbott over a barrel. And he wants to have it said that Abbott ”surrendered” to him – whether over extra staff and resources, promising support for some pet Palmer, or AMEP, idea, or, perhaps by doing something that a cynic might think would be helpful to Palmer’s business interests.
    Palmer knows his politics, knows all about the exercise of power, and knows the value of appearances as much as realities. When he threatens blanket opposition to Abbott’s policies and programs – even measures he supports, such as blocking the carbon price – he is as much focused on having Abbott kowtow as on actually getting some help in dealing with his group’s legislative responsibilities. And if he wins in some arm-twisting competition, lobbyists and others will flock to his standard.
    At this stage no one even………….

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  245. Well Prue Goward, that favourite of Howard’s and minister for women, has been caught out misleading parliament in NSW over lying about the staffing of DOCS case workers.

    O’Farrell managed to keep her out of the firing line on a parliamentary technicality, whilst he was lying through his teeth on the amount of hazard reduction burns his government was conducting, another thing he heavily criticised the previous government over, promised to fix, yet looks like he’s only moving the goal posts to make his figures look good.

    Goward when caught out last August on the 10% reduction and declining staff number of case workers said that had been the first she had heard of it and before that report she had always believed the numbers were improving, something she had been bragging about since around March.

    Turns out a report hit her desk in March that flagged the 10% reduction and the declining numbers, a report she signed off. So now, like all Liberals do when facing something difficult, she’s in hiding and got out of facing questioning because of a parliamentary procedure between upper and lower house.

    Worse was Goward has been categorically saying there had not been an order or policy from the State government to actively reduce staffing numbers, yet the March report shows that regional managers had been cutting the hiring of staff on the back of a wages savings policy.

    Then on top of that they stuffed up big time when the out sourced staff positions to NGOs to take those wages off the government’s books and instead pay the NGOs for the staff member. What they forgot to do was also outsource and pay for the other positions, support and services that went with that case worker now working for the NGO, so they lapsed and weren’t being funded meaning a reduction in services for child abuse.

    What a mess, but the trouble of this mess is that children have needlessly died and been harmed because of these stuff ups and attempts to secretly cut funding to something the State Coalition mercilessly, and rightly, bashed the previous Labor government over, but are now doing worse and lying about it.

  246. ME, what makes Pru’s behavior so bad, is that she built a journalist career on the back on being the friend of DOs. Front line workers they are talking about.
    Pru, knows how the system works.

    She was in full agreement, of what needed to be done in the past.

    It is a shame, the the women in the NSW Government is making such a hash of the job

    One can only imagine what talent the men must have, if these women have been given the jobs on merit..

    With her background and experience, she would have to know what the true situation was, and is.


    “………I may not have spoken this way – if I may speak candidly with you – even a few years ago, because a few years ago I hadn’t been brought into contact with the world of caring, as I have been over the last few years through Carers Australia and the Pollie Pedal which over the last two years has been dedicated to Carers Australia. The Pollie Pedal for those of you who don’t know is the annual charity bike ride that my colleagues and I have been doing since 1998 – you may have seen some news coverage about it in recent days – but over the last couple of years, we’ve been raising money for Carers Australia. We haven’t just been raising money. In all of the towns and villages and communities along the way, thanks to the work of Carers Australia, we have been meeting with and mixing with carers and those they care for. It’s humbling because you realise the difficult circumstances that so many Australians face. It’s daunting because you ask yourself, “What would I do if I was confronted with something like this?” But it’s inspiring because you see how many people rise so magnificently to meet the challenges of life………..

    More about him, than carers. Sounded worse, when one listen.

  248. Yet Abbott claims expenses for those pollie peddles whereas other pollies don’t. Abbott also makes sure he’s front and centre in all the photo ops and shoves the organisers to the background making it all about him.

    And someone has posted the figures somewhere but the pollie peddle hasn’t raised that much money in the scheme of things with a large chunk going to admin and other costs rather than directly to the charity.

  249. ME.I have also notice that. There is never much money raised, in spite of the publicity his stunts get.

    All I know, his stunts and 24/7 campaigning over three years cost the taxpayer

    Was not last years. or maybe the one before, for the Occasional Day Care that Marge runs.

    Another year, it was a local DV refuge for woman. Not that much for carers at all.

  250. Is this a worry or not?

    “……….The managing director of Clive Palmer’s proposed $6bn China First coalmine met senior federal Environment Department officials on Monday to determine “whether or not” new federal environmental laws would apply to the project.

    The mining magnate – who has clinched a powerful four-senator voting bloc from next July – needs a federal government decision before he can proceed with plans to export 40 million tonnes of coal each year.

    The decision is required under new laws passed by the former Labor government which demand a cumulative assessment of the impact on water resources of China First and other proposed coal mega-mines in Queensland’s Galilee basin.

    “It’s before.”

    Do we know what the agenda of Palmer is?

  251. ‘…………..Don Randall, who once described Cheryl Kernot as having the ”morals of an alley cat on heat” and Tasmania as a ”leech on the teat” of the Australian economy, has refused to answer questions about his own expense claims, which include billing taxpayers for travel that appears to be linked to his Cairns investment property……………”

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  252. NEWS
    Liberals all set toner for poll

    IT HAS been dubbed “toner-gate” — a three-week, $300,000 splurge on printer ink by Liberal MPs to stock up on office supplies for the pending federal election.

    After being told in September 2009 that a strict finance cap would be introduced from October 1 that year, Opposition members ordered $267,288 worth of printer cartridge toner, according to documents obtained through Freedom of Information.

    With the election almost a year away, some Liberal figures claimed they were told by party HQ to be “ruthless” ordering taxpayer-funded supplies ahead of the campaign.

    One Liberal MP, West Australian Don Randall, ordered $25,414.68 of toner cartridges for his office printer, while South Australian Patrick Secker spent $21,797.74.

    Deputy Speaker Peter Slipper spent $19,280.83 while ex-Liberal Michael Johnson ordered $18,640.86 for his office — enough to fund a marginal seat’s campaign.

    Despite its parliamentary majority of 18, Labor MPs spent $127,488 i…………..

  253. More on Liberal MP Randall as the Liberal’s rorts threatens to widen.

    Don Randall dodges questions over expense claims for trip to Cairns

    Notice how quiet the right wingers are on this. If this was a multitude of Labor pollies they would be screaming blue murder and jail them, but the only thing we’ve got is one little post flinging mud at a Labor pollie and not one word of condemnation against the Liberals who are rorting the tax payers.

    The right wingers have lost all credibility to criticise anyone as by their silence on this they are condoning pollies rorting tax payers.

  254. Another 54 state schools across Queensland will become independent from next year.

    The government has been overwhelmed with requests for its second round of offers, with 112 schools applying.

    There will now be 80 independent schools from next year.

    While the government aimed to make 90 schools independent in its first term, Premier Campbell Newman wants all schools to eventually have the opportunity.

    ‘Our position ultimately is that this is the model across the state,’ he said.

    ‘Having said that, it might not work for every school, they have to be ready.’

    Under the changes, principals will have the freedom to directly recruit teachers and control the school’s budget.

    Mansfield State High School principal James Sloman says it will give him freedom to focus on students’ needs, such as more resources for English as a Second Language learners, without the red tape.

    ‘I’m spending a lot of my time on the phone working with bureaucracy,’ he said.

  255. Michael Williams is now going to work with the police. Suppose be people mainly outside the HSU. If I was a certain lady, I would be a little worried.

    Roxon sure did, as she said Button used to do. Talk straight and direct.

  256. This is day 30 of the Abbott government.

    “……..Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has pulled back from the Coalition’s previous firm commitment to sending a patrol ship south to monitor the whaling conflict this summer.
    The Japanese whaling fleet is expected to depart for the Southern Ocean later this year as Tokyo and Canberra await an International Court of Justice decision on Australia’s plea to halt the hunt.
    Environment Minister Greg Hunt said after that clash, if elected, the Coalition would ”make sure” Customs was operational in the Antarctic during the whaling season.
    But Ms Bishop told the National Press Club in Tokyo on Tuesday that Australia would make a judgment when the whaling season arrived.
    ”As for sending Australian vessels or Customs vessels, we will make that decision at the time,” Ms Bishop said. ”It’s a question of ensuring that our presence can lead to some appropriate behaviour.”.”

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  257. Tony Abbott’s government is hushing up academics, human rights defenders – even their own ministers. Whose right to free speech do they actually stand for, asks Costa Avgoustinos

    The Coalition Government has only been in power a month, but despite professing “freedom of speech” as a core belief, and The Australian declaring that Tony Abbott PM would “champion free speech”, our right to freely discuss the government, foreign governments and business is being hit from several angles.

    Academics wishing to freely criticise the Coalition government may be hampered by a new policy of defunding research it deems “ridiculous”. Catriona Jackson, chief executive of peak research body Science and Technology Australia, said that, “Australians should ask: Do we want politicians picking and choosing which grant proposals deserve funding?” Indeed, how is our government to be kept in check if our best minds are afraid to criticise it lest it hurt their livelihood?

    Australians wishing to speak freely about other countries’ governments may also face serious consequences. To impress Indonesia, for example, Tony Abbott announced that his government “will do everything that [it] possibly can to discourage” those campaigning for West Papuan independence. Few doubt that Indonesia has committed human rights abuses against West Papuans, and the independence movement is a response to a situation that some have compared to genocide.

    The Coaliti………….

  258. “……….However, in documents associated with a presentation to Macquarie Bank’s WA investor conference this week (PDF), iiNet — one of Australia’s largest ISPs — pointed out that there were still many unknowns surrounding the Coalition’s plans.

    The ISP pointed out that the Coalition had not yet announced key details of its plans, such as who would build its infrastructure (with candidates including the current outsourced construction industry model, in-sourcing the construction to NBN Co or even handing a large portion of the construction work to Telstra), whether a FTTN network would use the same points of interconnect model, or more or less PoIs, and whether the anti-cherry-picking rules enacted under the previous Labor Government to prevent competition with the NBN would be repealed.

    “Will we be allowed to extend our fibre networks?” the presentation documents questioned. “Who is responsible for greenfield connections?”

    In addition, iiNet also questioned how the implementation of the VDSL2 and vectoring standards would take place, and whether NBN Co would be required to meet the Customer Service Guarantee rules, which normally constrain Telstra, for 100 percent of connections.

    “Will FTTN look like wholesale ‘bitstream’ ADSL with obligatory PSTN [telephony] or like NBN UNI-D + UNI-V? Or something else together?” asked the ISP, comparing the old model of ADSL broadband, which requires a traditional telephone line, with the new NBN Fibre to the Premises model, which does not. FTTN solutions sit in between these two infrastructure models, so it’s not yet clear how they would technically be offered to retail players like iiNet.

    iiNet also questioned whether NBN Co would revise its FTTP product set and pricing, and even the technical infrastructure connecting customers to the NBN, questioning whether all of the devices currently used (a ‘premises connection device’, a power supply unit, a network termination device and a fibre wall outlet) were actually needed.

    iiNet’s presentation also alleged that the current pricing on NBN Co’s ‘connectivity virtual circuit’ — the mechanism through which NBN Co charges for actual traffic to customers’ premises — was “not sustainable”, a criticism which Internode founder Simon Hackett has made repeatedly of the NBN model over the past several years.

    “We have built new networks with abundant capacity and them, as a result of the NBN Co CVC pricing framework, are at risk of limiting access to them and creating an artificial scarcity,” wrote iiNet. “There is real customer pull for usable, affordable and reliable broadband. The CVC pricing mechanism should be revisited.”

    “Why have bandwidth-based CVC charges?” the ISP asked. “We have built the scale networks so why can’t we use them? The $20 per megabit CVC charges represent a significant increase on today’s prices and will choke the future growth of broadband services in Australia.”

    iiNet pointed out that the costs were prohibitive for new ISP entrants under the current model, with the ISP estimating it would take between $30 million and $35 million to establish a national NBN network presence to 121 points of interconnect, and a further $30 million to $40 million annually to manage a small national customer base of approximately 200,000.

    iiNet is one of the most qualified experts to comment on the NBN. The company has signed up over 20,000 customers to the infrastructure, representing about a fifth of the NBN’s total customer base. 70 percent of those customers have bought higher speeds than the 12Mbps entry level NBN product, the company said this week, with more than 50 percent of customers bundling voice and data plans.

    Some of iiNet’s questions are likely to be answered in several months when NBN Co releases the results of the Strategic Review which it is currently undertaking. However, others — such as the PoI question, which was set independently by the Australian Consumer and Competition Commission — may need direct Ministerial intervention if there is to be any change.


    I published this story because I think it goes some way towards illustrating just how uncertain things are right now for the retail ISP industry in terms of the NBN rollout. These are the companies which are supposed to be on-selling NBN Co’s wholesale offerings — no matter whether a Coalition or Labor Government is in power, no matter whether a Fibre to the Premises or a Fibre to the Node model is followed — and yet right now they have no real idea what or how they’re supposed to be selling whatever the Government is planning.

    This is the definition of chaos for commercial companies. They can’t invest, they hardly have any visibility on the future road map for the NBN. They are trying to show the Government the way they would prefer it to go, but with the NBN Strategic Review being held behind closed doors, they are reduced to making these kinds of statements in public in order to try and influence things.

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott came into Government promising stability and a steady hand after the Labor years. Let’s hope Malcolm Turnbull can bring a little of that stability to the way the NBN works. Because right now, it’s just pure chaos. Nobody quite knows what is going to happen, and that situation is getting in the way of progress on so many fronts………..”

  259. Yes, funny how polls are no longer newsworthy. Wonder if the miserable looks that the PM now has, could be the result of private funding.

    Another has said that Abbott might have won by a landslide, he is definite not popular.

    Even out visitors cannot find a good word for him.

    Correction, his party did mot win by a landslide. Good win, byte no way a landslide.

  260. ………Australians should watch the shutdown shenanigans in Washington- and soon the debt limit shenanigans – with more than the ordinary interest for matters affecting our credit, our currency and world economic growth. They could contain a harbinger of chapter two of new adversarial Australian politics.
    Tony Abbott, now that he is Prime Minister, has given the appearance of being very friendly and agreeable to all. But he is there in part because of the spectacular success of his strategy and tactics as opposition leader. There he played the total oppositionist, without the slightest interest in playing the statesman, supporting good policy no matter from where it came, or in abiding by the usual conventions of being a ”loyal” opposition.
    He believed, or hoped, he could drive some sort of wedge between minority Labor and the handful of independents on whose vote it depended in the House of Representatives. So he played very hardball – even on the courtesies such as pairs – in the hope of making government very difficult, and of seizing power at any moment. The opposition was, at times, prepared to play for short-term political gain, even at risk to foreign policy, the lives of refugees, or the stability of the economy.
    And even as it overemphasised, and oversimplified, its claim that Gillard’s shift on carbon taxing was a ”lie”, Abbott showed by his voting record, whether in 2007-2009, or 2010-2013, that he had no regard for any concept of a Labor mandate to do anything with which the opposition disagreed. [Deciding not to oppose the repeal of WorkChoices was not because of recognising a Labor mandate but Coalition acceptance it was electoral poison…………….

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  261. Why cut a nearly undetectable tax?

    Date: October 21 2013

    Peter Martin
    Prepare for a price shock. Australia’s inflation rate is out on Wednesday and the market is expecting 1.8 per cent. That’s an annual rate of 1.8 per cent – a September quarter result so breathtakingly low it’s close to the quarterly rate of 1.4 per cent for the previous September quarter.

    The September quarters are the big ones. They are when electricity price rises hit the index. That one year on from the carbon tax a September quarter inflation result could be so low throws into an entirely different light Tony Abbott’s claim that the price impact of the carbon tax would be ”almost unimaginable”.

    ”Almost undetectable” might be a better description. This month energy consultant Hugh Saddler of Pitt & Sherry told Fairfax Media it had been ”almost impossible” to see the impact of the carbon price when it was introduced, and it would be no easier to see what happened if it was removed.

    The Bureau of Statistics agreed.

    ”The ABS is not able to quantify the impact of the introduction of carbon pricing, compensation or other government incentives and cannot produce estimates of price change exclusive of the carbon price,” it said in a statement. ”Similarly, the ABS will not be able to quantify the impact of removing the carbon price (if that were to occur).”

    The ne…………..

  262. I saw a bit on the tv last night about the people in the Blue Mountains preparing their homes for the coming fire, and reflected on theirabc’s protectionist piece for the libs removing payments to those affected. Basically, it was an ‘expert’ saying that people were unprepared for fires and that “Cash handouts ‘part of the problem'”. Well, I don’t think this ‘expert’ has been out amongst those that live in these areas.

    But apart from that, I have noticed quite a lot of ‘debate’ over differing areas around these fires, from that mentioned above, to recrimination for those setting them, and burn-off practices. The thing that struck me was, nobody crying out ‘too soon’ for these debates. But, come to the AGW component, and it is taboo. It was evident the other night on Q&A when Tony Burke raised the point, and was slapped down by every rwdb on the panel. However, his point was quite valid, and none of their pissant excuses made any sense at all.

    TONY BURKE: I just don’t know how in one breath we’re saying what Adam Bandt said in talking about climate change at the same time that the people are losing their homes is horrific and now we can talk about law and order and blaming where people live and that is all fair game

    Just don’t mention the war 😉

  263. I actually watched 730 last night, only because I noticed Al Gore was on. And didn’t he give tabot a serve. Not that we will ever know it. If someone as famous as he is had slapped down Gillard or Rudd like he did to tabot, it would be front page on every paper. As it is, the only place I can find it is on the 730 website, and a small story on ninemsn

    ANNABEL CRABB: I’m sorry, Mr Gore, are you suggesting that there’s some sort of commercial conspiracy between polluters and politicians?

    AL GORE: I don’t think it’s a commercial conspiracy, I think it’s a political fact of life.

    Tony Abbott’s insistence that bushfires aren’t linked to climate change is like the tobacco industry claiming smoking doesn’t cause lung cancer, Nobel laureate Al Gore says.

    Now, I may be wrong, but Nobel laureate claiming that our PM may be in league with the big polluters was newsworthy in some small way? But it appears not.

    I also noted that a visitor from a foreign country had to remind a local ‘reporter’ what was actually happening in her own back yard.

    ANNABEL CRABB: Mr Gore, last year when Australia legislated a price on carbon, you described us as the canaries down the coal mine. Now, given that we’re about to repeal that carbon price, the health of the canary’s looking a little questionable, isn’t it?

    AL GORE: Well, again, it’s not my place to intervene in your politics, but my understanding is that some of the Senate count is still taking place and that some of the representation in third parties introduces some wildcards into the equation and that more cards need to be turned up…….

    We are so poorly served by our fourth estate in this country. Sorry annabel, but stick to cooking. It seems to be your strength.

    Meanwhile, theirmsm continue to push with Labor debt BAD, lib debt Good.

  264. Tom, and what a fool Abbott looks..the best comment that he can muster is that the UN official was “talking through her hat”. Tony must have had to think long and hard before coming up with that debating gem.. 🙄

  265. Is that what is called ‘debating now Min 😯

    Besides, I thought we weren’t supposed to talk about AGW yet ❓

  266. So, who is misrepresenting here? hunt claims “She felt that that had been misrepresented,” Mr Hunt told BBC radio.

    As I mentioned here hunt then mangles the English language to totally misrepresent what was said

    Yet now we have

    Despite Mr Abbott’s comments and her conversation with Mr Hunt, Ms Figueres stood by her assessment, pointing in a statement to a UN scientific panel’s finding that decisive action was needed to avert more frequent and extreme weather events in coming decades.

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    So, hunt claims that Ms Figueres was “misrepresented”, but was it hunt doing the misrepresenting all along? Ms Figueres has said, after hunt claims that she told him she was being misrepresented, that she stands by her claims? Confusing, is it not?

    Nice to see Al Gore bagging the PM getting a footnote in the story too 😉

    Maybe the SMH have looked at the mangling to the language hunt is attempting? Let’s hope so

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