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This one for you Min? 😉
There’s some scum that floats to the top here every now and again.
On election day, what will the voters be more concerned about. Will it be carbon tax, as Tony believes. Not only on top of the list, but a referendum on.
Could be the boat trade.
Maybe it will be education followed closely by disabilities and health.
There are others that will put IR on the top of their list.
I feel that the carbon tax will be a long last for most.
Miglo, the scum can always be disposed of easily when it comes to the top.
Liberal getting a hard time on Capital Hill.
No follow through on delivery. I am confused about what is it, that this PM has noy delivered.
All we get from the other side, is it will not happen and where is the money coming from.
Lyndal, is not the government following normal policy. Is not the budget the place for the finances to be detailed.
Mo, don’t reckon there’s much prospect of putting it to use, though. 🙄
Calling Roswell…….. Time to celebrate ……..the truth is out there and Voyager is off to find out
“THIRTY-FIVE years after leaving Earth, Voyager 1 is reaching for the stars.
Sooner or later, the workhorse spacecraft will bid adieu to the solar system and enter a new realm of space – the first time a manmade object will have escaped to the other side.”
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/years-on-voyager-is-heading-for-stars/story-e6frfkui-1226465098901#ixzz25VAOUvDs
Sue, what a joke the Voyager mission is in its search for extraterrestrial idiots.
Among over things, the craft contains a message from Jimmy Cater and other chatter in over 40 different languages. And all stored on a gold plated record. Let us hope that the planet this craft bumps into can speak one of those languages and has a record player handy.
This approach is so outdated. I say, if you want to make contact with an extraterrestrial the way to do it these days is to send out a Facebook friendship request.
Or follow them on Twitter.
Roswell, they all speak English. Haven’t you been watching Star Trek? 😯
Sue, do that have any roving reporters?
And with American accents. 😯
Min, of course they have American accents. These movies are set in the future – when America rules the universe.
Migs, who knows the future..the human race in the year 2200 may all sound like Rastafarians.
Concerning Voyager (I think)
I remember this from a book by Carl Sagan. He was involved in preparing a message capsule to go with the craft, & there was a drawing of a male & female member of our species. They had one arm outstretched with an empty hand. The idea was that other denizens of the universe who came across it would think “bipedal life form with one of its manipulative organs outstretched & empty, obviously in a sign of goodwill.”
But Carl received a message from a fellow human saying “You fools! You’ve doomed us all!!” The reasoning was that WW2 movies broadcast on Earth travelled into space at the speed of light & these would be eagerly absorbed by extraterrestrial filmgoers. They knew from the movies that the bad guys walked around with hands outstretched saying “Heil Hitler” & on seeing the drawing on the spacecraft they’d conclude that the Nazis had won. They would then do the obvious thing & launch a mission to Earth to rid the universe of this scourge by wiping us out.
I agree with the Greens on this. I do not trust Martin Ferguson, and sadly I have not been disappointed once again. At the same time, I do not see why the raxpayer should reimbursed them. Let them whither on the vine. I am sure we will see Abbott rushing to their defence.
And now for a horse of a completely different colour 🙂
It’s 10 years since I gave up smoking.
@ 40 a day, I would have spent about $94,000 (in 2012 dollars) over the last 10 years on cigarettes otherwise 😯
Better to spend it on red wine 😛
Did you see Hartcher’s attempt at a political opinion piece today? On and on he went on why Gillard would call an early election, then in the last sentences he himself summed up his own opinion as a mere bag of wind.
“But any election held before August 3 would put the House of Representatives out of sync with the Senate. This is entirely possible but creates complications
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/poll-position-gillard-arms-labor-for-early-election-with-new-committee-20120904-25cor.html#ixzz25YvRfxGQ
It seems like only yesterday we were celebrating 500,000.
Mo, it was only in January when you were guessing we might clock up 350,000.
And next month we’ll record our 100,000th approved comment. We’re up to 104,000 unoficially but 13,000 of those were spam comments that snuck through before being removed.
On a less than exciting issue, we’ve just passed the 50,000 mark for comments caught up in the spam folder, 99.9% of which were immediately deleted. The remaining 0.1% were hiccups in the system.
Looking at the stats (country of origin of the spammers) it appears that spam comments don’t count as hits.
Miglo, I believe you have been successful in what you set out to do.
The visit of so may trolls today, point to a site they see as worth attacking.
Congratulations. for a job well done, in spite of all your personal setbacks.
May the next year be better, without the setbacks of course.
Thank you, Cu.
The blog was only meant to be open for a month while Joni was having a break from his blog, Blogocrats, where we used to mumble. The Cafe was only going to be a blogging alternative until Joni was back on board.
Joni never went back to his blog and subsequently we never closed. In fact, Joni helped us out in the early days of CW.
Long may the Cafe continue.
Thank you, Cuppa, and long may you always grace us with your great presence.
Have you seen our wine list? It’s extensive. And if Bacchus hasn’t cleaned us out feel free to help yourself to a bottle of our finest.
PS – don’t get lost in our vast cellar. If you happen to find Bacchus down there can you tell him he’s wanted on the phone? 😳
This is a great place. Can I have a beer?
No. We don’t serve beer on Wednesdays.
Miglo, that is not fair. I was so looking forwarded to a black.
Wow, the Coalition shifting memory and rewriting history, who would have thunk it?
Certainly not their rusted on supporters who will now be spruiking the new meme whilst either defending the old as the Coalition being misunderstood or even denying they ever stated it, even when the evidence is shoved under their noses.
Hypocrites defending liars much.
Kloppers’ visit confirms Olympic Dam a pipe dream
Wow where’s Neil and the other wingnuts who said the Koppers put on hold the Olympic Dam expansion because of the Carbon Price and MRRT, then used an overseas speech as the proof?
They’ll just come out with more bullshit I’m sure, they are so full of it they have an unlimited supply.
That’s OK. I’ll sit here until it’s Thursday.
Roswell, I will sit there with you. We will create a noise, as Abbott does, and they serve us to get rid of us.
Oh OK 😉
Bacchus, you’d make a better mine host than the one we have.
shhh Roswell. I may know the ins and outs of the cellar better than Migs, but he is the rich bugger who funds all of this opulence 🙂
Thanks Bacchus. See it works for Abbott, ot works for us. I believe the PM believes it will work for her, she is out everyday, everywhere, making her presence felt.
600,000 self-serve coffee’s…… congrats…..( I think 😕 ) 😀
Anytime tomorrow, LOVO. To celebrate, all self-serve coffees will be half price. 🙂
600,000 today probably.
I can’t believe how quickly it went from 500,000.
I know there are other more famous or infamous blogs out there for whom 600,000 is nothing, and many of the US ones would rack 500,000 up in no time, but for a humble little Café tucked away in a pleasant niche of the internet sidewalk it’s doing OK.
More #RightWingProjection, this time from Gina Rinehart:
… Ms Rinehart says in the video, which was posted on the Sydney Mining Club website, there’s incontrovertible data showing Australia is becoming less competitive, and that Labor’s mining and carbon taxes and too much business red tape is making the economy sluggish.
“What was too readily argued as the self-interested complaints of a greedy few is now becoming accepted as the truth and more ominously is showing up in incontrovertible data,” she says.
Right-Wing Projection: The political tactic of the Right using descriptions pertaining to themselves to describe others.
Hi Mo, we don’t do too bad for a little Aussie blog.
I’m going to be without an Internet connection until tomorrow night so I won’t be able to put up a new post. 😦
I could try via my iPad but I can’t promise success. 😦
WOOHOO, Bars open 🙂
August Labour Force figures:
AUGUST KEY POINTS
TREND ESTIMATES (MONTHLY CHANGE)
Employment increased to 11,509,100 from a revised July 2012 estimate.
Unemployment increased to 629,100 from a revised July 2012 estimate.
Unemployment rate steady at 5.2%.
Participation rate steady at 65.2% from a revised July 2012 estimate.
Aggregate monthly hours worked decreased to 1,619.5 million hours.
SEASONALLY ADJUSTED ESTIMATES (MONTHLY CHANGE)
Employment decreased 8,800 (0.1%) to 11,498,100. Full-time employment increased 600 to 8,071,400 and part-time employment decreased 9,300 to 3,426,700.
Unemployment decreased 10,600 (1.7%) to 622,600. The number of persons looking for full-time work increased 12,800 to 469,400 and the number of persons looking for part-time work decreased 23,400 to 153,200.
The unemployment rate decreased 0.1 pts to 5.1%. The male unemployment rate increased 0.1 pts to 5.2% and the female unemployment rate decreased 0.2 pts to 5.0%.
The participation rate decreased 0.2 pts to 65.0%.
Aggregate monthly hours worked decreased 5.7 million hours to 1,618.8 million hours.
LABOUR UNDERUTILISATION (QUARTERLY CHANGE)
Trend estimates: The labour force underutilisation rate decreased 0.1 pts to 12.5%.
Seasonally adjusted estimates: The labour force underutilisation rate decreased 0.2 pts to 12.4%. The male labour force underutilisation rate increased 0.2 pts to 10.6%. The female labour force underutilisation rate decreased 0.6 pts to 14.6%.
WOOHOO, Bars open …… strictly BYO 😉 600,000 approx 11.30am CST *CLINK*
Where’s my beer?
only a 4 cup fountain?
Then go to the second place… and entire fountain there.
Where’s my damn beer?
Find the fountain.
Turnbull is at it again
“Malcolm Turnbull has acknowledged that the National Broadband Network’s funding is correctly accounted for the in Federal Government budget as a capital investment and not an expense, in a move which opens up a divide between the Shadow Communications Minister and other senior Liberal leaders such as Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey.
Over the past several years, a number of senior Liberal figures, including Opposition Leader Abbott, Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey, Finance Spokesperson Andrew Robb and Turnbull himself have repeatedly claimed that the tens of billions of dollars the Federal Government is investing in its NBN project should be classified as an expense under the Federal Budget. Several of these same figures have argued that because of this, the NBN’s funding could be more appropriate allocated to other types of public infrastructure such as roads, instead of spending it on an NBN project which the Coalition has largely seen as expensive and unnecessary.”
Sue, I guess everyone has a natural limit to the amount of stupid they can say.
Although, in some cases, that limit does appear to be inexhaustible
Their ability to confer amongst themselves doesn’t score very highly.
Wonder what will happen with Turnbull from now until the next election?
Surely the opposition can’t leave him attacking from the sidelines and telling the truth, destroying all the lies and deceits they have built up, not that many believed them anyway.
I don’t think they can turf him either as what he could reveal would doom the opposition.
The ‘Pacific Solution’ revisited: a statistical guide to the asylum seeker caseloads on Nauru and Manus Island
Bit by bit the truths of the failures of the Howard years will be exposed. But when the 30 years limit is reached the revelations will be damning I’m certain. Too late of course for Howard and co to suffer any real recriminations and accounting for them, but at least they won’t go down in history as a great government, because they were a terrible government on so many fronts.
Mobius Ecko, I suppose this is what Turnbull has to look forward to from now until the next election
“We’re over his antics. In the partyroom, it doesn’t matter what he says, he will never, ever be leader again,” one said.
Another Liberal source said: “He is still trying to position himself as leader. It’s a bit rich. He doesn’t have the respect of his colleagues.”
But the question is what are they going to do with him. Turnbull is in a position to do a lot of damage and to constantly reinforce the Abbott Liar meme, and just as Abbott repeating an untruth over and over makes it true, Turnbull repeating a truth over and over will make it more so.
Turnbull – the LNP’s Rudd?
I think Turnbull might have a few more friends in the LNP than Rudd does in Labor.
The Libs have put up with Abbott as it seems he’s been brining in the bacon, as rancid as that is. But I believe Abbott is on a short leash and is being strictly controlled, but if he screws up too often I think they’ll cut him loose very quickly.
Abbott only won by one vote, but it was only because the party room ballot was planned when two Turnbull supporters were not able to get to the room to vote. If they had been allowed absentee votes then Turnbull would have been the leader.
Where do internet trolls find their role models?
Well the local govt elections in NSW have an interesting twist
“Joanna Gash is running for mayor of Shoalhaven City Council. She is also a Liberal member of federal Parliament who has represented the south coast seat of Gilmore for 16 years.
The problem is that Gash says she will not retire from Parliament if elected mayor. She would undertake both roles until the next federal election. This runs counter to democratic principles and perhaps to the constitution.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/mps-aim-to-become-mayor-runs-a-legal-risk-20120906-25h60.html#ixzz25joBgk2K
No doubt after 16 years as a federal pollie her pension plan couldn’t be an issue.
I voted for Joanna Gash when she was the member for Gilmore Sue.
Because she won’t take up the mayor roll full time for 12 months after being elected I won’t vote for her in my local election tomorrow.
Gash is going to give all of her Mayor salary and allowances to charity until she takes up the job full time.
Gash was often a critic of Howard policies and was quietly censured because of it. In his entire 10½ years Howard only visited the South Coast once, and that was when he was failing in the polls here during his last election.
She was a good local Federal representative, far better than the drongo Labor kept putting up and the local Greens candidate was not that good either. We also lacked any decent independents and most elections had none in the area.
Too show how she was treated by the Liberals. Her and I think it was the Hawksbury representative were promised port folios by Abbott if they did well in the last election, and they both increased their margins. It was later found out that Abbott had promised those portfolios to the indies to get them onside, thus crapping on his own members and planning on reneging on them. I believe this is the reason Gash, who has been highly successful and well liked in Gilmore, quit Federal politics.
And it goes to the heart of the decrepit person Abbott is and why he shouldn’t be allowed to rule this country. His word is worth nothing, his promises less.
If you ever want evidence that the conservatives are great liars and promise breakers then you can’t go past this site.
I wish they had a similar one for Australian politics, it would be damning on the Coalition, including their lie of the main party calling themselves Liberals.
As an aside. I just read a piece where a Romney ad attacking Obama used an ex-Obama staffer who heavily cans Obama. Turns out the staffer is a member of the Republicans and their staffer never having anything to do with Obama.
A nice moment for PatriciaWA. A well deserved reward for someone who has been in the wars a bit lately, but has still soldiered on. Hope it was everything you make it sound out to be for you Patricia.
Well done Patricia. A little envious, after all I only met Howard twice and spoke to him on both occasions. Uninspiring is probably the kindest word I could come up with.
But the MSM are still at it: Rudd’s attack on Newman sparks fresh comeback talk
Note the reporter supposedly has all the inside running with the Rudd supporters, who tell him everything so he can blab it to the world.
Gillard: From policy dud to economic hero
Some good stuff and home truths in that piece from Brendan Brown. This is a very pertinent point from him.
As much as the Liberals and their supporters attempt to paint themselves as great economic managers, they really are economic laggards who sail along on autopilot in regards to reformations whilst cutting infrastructure and services in pursuit of the single goal of the meaningless surplus, for no other reason than to brag they can produce one.
Looks as though NSW is a bit tired of all those cases of “wind turbine illness”
“The government is also reviewing wind farm planning guidelines, to make more “strategic” wind farm approvals, and will release a new energy efficiency strategy, that will involve reappraising all existing energy efficiency programs.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/pledge-to-triple-wind-and-solar-power-in-nsw-20120907-25ik3.html#ixzz25lFZ7TR1
Use of tracking app to find stolen iPad ‘legal’
This is a good article on someone stealing an iPad and then being found by using an app.
Funny. Like the Sales/Abbott one.
My condolences to the Prime Minister on the death of her father.
Sad news indeed.
Tragic news, Mo. Will Abbott add an offensive remark?
My condolences to the Gillard family.
Is Parliament sitting? I wonder if Abbott will allow a pair for the PM to attend the funeral.
Gillard rushed back from APEC, Craig Emmerson standing in for her. Putin announced the reason she left.
I hope the planned meeting with Malaysia still goes well.
And if it doesn’t, Mo, expect the opposition to attempt some political mileage. It’s in their genes to stoop low.
I see the Swans are leading. 🙂
Piece on ABC just a short while ago all but directly blamed Gillard for the boats still coming. They said the opposition are counting each and every boat and every asylum seeker who comes here to tally up Gillard’s failing.
Geelong lost tonight 😯 …… bloody carbon tax
Miglo… it was the bloody carbon tax!!
No, it was Adam Goodes. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Tonight it is though all the football chickens came home to roost. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Did I mention I was pleased with the results? 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Does anyone here know what happened to Port Adelaide Football Club ??
Couldn’t even win the wooden spoon 😆
Migs’ last laugh didn’t last long … 👿 🙄
…….thanks to Pips’, “Couldn’t even win the wooden spoon” 😀
..well its not as if Ive ever given him a hard time !!!???!!! 😆
Pip, the PAFC is going to be your worst nightmare. 😈
Last EVA go at Migs fooball team ( this season anyhoo)
Theres this gem… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXatqcigUFw
Or this disappointed fan… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YUtLCE6obM&playnext=1&list=PL243DE4E004F4C4CC&feature=results_video
…….. and in case all this gets ‘moderated’ ( 😀 ) or banned, this…
tonuge firmly in cheek 😆 👿
😳 thats tongue
LOVO, typical behaviour from a Crow’s supporter. 😉
… whom has the last laugh on both of us,… anyway,.. move over Migs, I need to sit down too, for the rest of the season 😦
…next week Pip v PatriciaWA ……. ode-ious game for sure 😀
Miglo @ 11.40am, I doubt I’ll live that long! 😆
Pip, it won’t be a long wait. 🙂
I’m pleased to see that the education issue is receiving some fair commentary..
So according to Pyne, it’s the fault of under performing teachers which is nothing more than a populist response.
Pyne was also at it speaking out against the Speaker today.
Get this in a display of blatant projection.
The opposition want to engage in intelligent and policy debate in parliament but because the Speaker won’t reign in Gillard and her ministers the parliament is reduced to a farce.
Yep you heard right. The farce that is the current parliament is all the Speakers fault for not reigning in Gillard.
Mobius, one has to suspect that this just has to be deliberate..that is, rather than address their own failings the Opposition jumps in first to counter any possible future criticism.
On the other hand, with Abbott himself I suspect that he is of opinion that reality is the one that he creates for himself in his tiny little brain.
Running away and hiding for a time has been a tactic of Abbott’s or by his minders from the day he got the leadership.
If you remember in the first months he got the leadership he would often brain fart or screw up in statements that would contradict what others had stated, and rather than face the questioning he would hide for for days and sometimes weeks at a time.
It wasn’t until either him or his PR team turned him into Mr Negabore and limited him to three word slogans that he began making his frequent
spinpress appearances and frequent stunts.
Now he’s being pressed for substance other than the lies and three word slogans along with a past accusation he runs away and hides again. It should now be up to the media to strongly put out, “where is Abbott”. Why is he hiding and like he did with Gillard they should be saying he has questions to answer.
Pyne doubts the wall-punch incident on the basis that if it really happened then the story would have surfaced long before now.
Yep, only the Liberals are allowed to dig up incidences from the past and headline them decades later.
Mobius, yet the msm call Abbott’s 3 word slogans clever politics. I think that you might be onto something, that by limiting Abbott to 3 words, then he cannot stuff it up too badly.
Migs, also..would the msm allow for example Julia Gillard to get away with the “can’t remember” excuse.
Good to see two Victorian teams knocked out of the AFL final’s race over the weekend.
But I’ll be even better to see the only SA team knocked out next weekend. 🙂
Port Adelaide player John McCarthy has been found dead in Las Vegas. RIP John.
Another week, no charges laid against Thomson or Slipper.
I predict we’ll record our 100,000th approved comment on October 17th.
Archbishop backs ACL stance on gay ‘lifestyle’
Astounding. Archbishop Peter Jensen actually says the remarks he makes against gays may lead them to commit suicide.
Surely then if he doesn’t stop making them and come out in support of gays he is complicit in driving a person to a death, and thus is going against everything his faith is supposed to be about.
Truth Tally — What’s Wrong With Australian Political Debate
People you really need to read every word of that article and take note of the stats.
I was going to copy and paste bits here but I will leave it up to our posters.
Whenever anyone says Liberals are better governments being more honest with better ministers, throw this at them.
What the Liberals are better at is covering up for their own considerable failings, not at being better at government.
Möbius, I saw that graph on Facebook (thanks Nas). It’s a ripper, isn’t it?
Maybe Gina has got it wrong. Maybe they are not happy on $2 per day. What they have been earning for decades. It appears even shooting them. does not get them back to work. Poor Gina, where will she go.
Even Clive Palmer has come out against the QLD LNP budget, saying and increase in royalties is bad for the state.
Those here who suffer with auto-immune conditions (lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, IBD etc.) may find this piece from tonight’s 730 interesting:
I suffer from Psoriatic arthritis, very bad. http://www.medicinenet.com/psoriatic_arthritis/article.htm
And I have lupus. Those links will be useful for me.
That doesn’t sound like a whole lot of fun paul… 😦
Its not, always in pain. Am on medication, but it can only do so much.
Many here share your pain in various guises paul – Lupus, RA, IBD amongst others.
Thank you Paul, rheumatoid arthritis here, thankfully now mostly in remission.
Oh they are something else this lot of Liberals we have at the moment, no doubt about it.
‘If you break Nauru, you own it,’ Libs say
And if they were in government and it failed, as it would have, then it would be everyone else’s fault but theirs.
They are the greatest shirkers on the planet, no doubt about it.
Coalition divided on child care reforms.
What are blogs good for?
In watts case, spreading lies and disinformation, and then running like a chicken little creep when his years of screeching ‘they’re wrong’ turns out to be ill informed (at best)
(no, I didn’t click the link, life’s too short)
Do you mean to say, that after all the trouble el gordo went to to find and provide the link you’re not going to click on it? 😯
But it could be something worthwhile. 🙄
But it could be something worthwhile
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
I’m going to click it. Here goes.
It was a well-written blog hijacked by the denialati. 😦
It was a well-written blog hijacked by the denialati
sounds very ‘softly softly’ to me 😉
Sounds very el gordoesc to me.
If el gordo followed the AFL she’d be a Crows’s supporter.
But she’ll probably deny that too. 😦
As I would. 🙂
I agree with Migs, it was well written, and el gordo actually provided a link to what he said, unlike others who come here, which by the way, it is quite calm in here this morning.
“I agree with Migs”
Well said! 😀
I even went to “What’s Up With That” just to check up on what it was about, looks like an interesting site.
Love how they finish off this story – still LOL today 😆
Go Barry, go Barry gooooooooooooo.
“THE commonwealth will give less extra funding to non-government schools this year because some states have cut schools spending.
If state and territory governments reduce their funding , that cut automatically flows on to commonwealth government funding.
The system was set up under the Howard government and is said to take into account the real costs of schooling.
For 2012, the AGSRC indexation is 3.9 per cent – two points lower than that of 2011 when the indexation was 5.9 per cent.
“Because state and territory governments have been slowing the growth in spending on schools in recent years, the rate of indexation for federal funding to schools is 3.9 per cent for this year”
So Barry will help the federal budget. Now that’s funny
Watching The Deniers
Also an interesting site.
Welcome to post normal science, Paul.
A real science site: Science Blogs
Bishop Hill is a contrarian another blog.
‘another contrarian blog.’
Timmy Lambert must have academic work on his plate, he’s been running open threads for a couple of months. Mobius is right, spend time at Deltoid, they are a fun crowd now that the sceptics have a voice..
There is no better proof of regional warming than this….
What a joke el gordo.
In the past you have attempted to infer that regional cooling weather events prove the globe is cooling and here you do the opposite, attempt to infer that a regional warming event linked to global warming infers the globe is not warming.
Yet just a couple of days ago you said the globe was warming due to the sun.
So what is it this week el gordo, cooling, warming or none of the above?
I went to the Watching The Deniers site ME, and the very first article was an exposure of wtfuwt behaving precisely as a report he was trying to discredit found that denialists behave. It was priceless
btw, apparently, it is now GLOBAL warming. Some of the denialists have discovered the word recently, and seem to think it means something (duh)
grattan apologises for tabot lying. He’s just a norty boy 😉
Did he punch that wall? Quite likely.
Does it matter? Not much.
What matters is whether Abbott has been truthful.
Later, with the incident about to get media attention and Abbott presuming there was no one else to contradict him, he flatly denied it.
But while he’s hardly a politician to romanticise, basically he’s a decent one.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/canberras-tale-of-two-characters-20120913-25v0e.html#ixzz26ORsOfPG
A decent one, who, according to grattan, has just lied to the electorate, in a more blatant way than the PM is ever falsely accused of having done.
And she lets him off 😯
More bizarrely, the article ends up with more leadershit…for Labor 😯
And apparently, their business model is still broken 😯
Grattan was on ABC radio yesterday waffling on about the Rudd leadership takeover, that apparently is wanted by at least Christmas but will be earlier if Gillard’s poll numbers drop an iota in the meantime.
The reasoning she used was amongst the longest drawing of bows I’ve ever heard. Grattan is apparently a super reporter, able to read minds, inflections, the slightest stumble in answering a question, a pause and any silence as being as good as a massive sports field screen displaying, “Leadership Spill”.
‘So what is it this week el gordo, cooling, warming or none of the above?’
Regional warming and regional cooling is happening at the same time, which indicates it’s natural and not human induced. We could go on a cherry picking expedition….
Why does the fact that areas have cooling and areas have warming indicate that it is not human induced?
I don’t recall the science ever indicating that all areas will warm in unison, merely that, as an aggregate, over the entire GLOBE (for ian lol) the warming will be predominant.
And to think, Bacchus, if Howard had bowled a better ball he might have got the job as president of the ICC.
el gordo, where I live there are great cherries, your welcome any time
Tom, el gordo reminds me of the Benny Hill skit where as a weather reporter he said it was going to be 80 degrees F today.
Somebody went outside and said he was definitely wrong as it was rather cold out there. It was not possible it would reach 80.
Hill replied “Yes it will. It’ll be 40 in the morning and 40 in the afternoon”.
El gordo really is the Benny Hill of the blogosphere.
Bacchus, we are like the batsman facing that wide ball. The bowler is el gordo. The deliveries are too wide to bother offering a shot.
So Iain must be like Howard, they never reach the batsman
Indeed Migs & Iain is the equivalent of former PM Howard bowling his shocker – all you can do is shake you head and laugh 😆
Snap paul – great minds and all that 🙂
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
The LNP said Palmer should quit the party because of policy differences.
Palmer should consider quitting LNP
Tom, they actually said the colder areas would show the most warming, so in that sense it appears like global warming has begun…except for Antarctica.
Also, the warmists could argue that the cooling in the Pacific is due to natural variations, which will eventually be overwhelmed by AGW. I don’t think that’s likely, because sol remains relatively quiet.
How can one make a statement about something that did not happen. Was not that the PM’s line.
Will Abbott explain why a dirt unit could harm him, if there was no dirt ti find.
Remember back to the dirt unit from his side that focus on Hanson and Rudd.
Good interview to the link above. Did not sound like the media believed him. Still not answering the questions. Soon back to slogans. Did not seem to work. Reporters not interested.
Could agree, el gordo?
Or could agree with you?
As Tom would say: “there, fixed it for ya”.
The Pacific is probably cooling because of a cool PDO…natural variability wins over AGW and CO2 has no case to answer.
Ummm natural variability and AGW aren’t in competition, so how can either win? Natural variability and AGW are additive – they work in tandem, not in opposition…
‘they work in tandem, not in opposition…’
That’s the AGW theory, but the denialati don’t accept the thesis and argue that natural variability rules. The idea that CO2 plays a larger part is badly flawed.
Getting to the chase, fears of rising sea levels (because of global warming) has produced a generation of nihilists.
Wasted, Bacchus. totally wasted…your time that is… 😀
Yes handyrab – I should have known to expect a fact-free, nonsensical reply 🙄
Bacchus is often wasted.
Like the dead parrot, she’s pining for the fjords….
I’ll have you know I’ve had TWO alcohol free days this week Migs. I feel quite unwell, so that won’t happen again in a hurry *clink* 😆
Not wishing to be boorish, we believe the sun is solely responsible for our earthly climate. Ilya Usoskin illustrates the argument…global warming explained.
nihilism: total disbelief in religion or moral principles and obligations, or in established laws and institutions.. now, that’s the pest from the west…
Yes, Bacchus, both are true. Natural and man made. The natural we can do nothing about and continues over a long time. allowing the globe to adjust.
Man made is different. It does damage over a short period and cannot be reverse for over seven hundred years.
The globe will not have time to adjust. The globe will still be here, but I suspect not able to support the humans, animals and plants that it does today.
If we take action and el gordo is correct, no harm will be done,. it will just be a cleaner and more efficient world to live in.
If we do nothing and el gordo is wrong, future generations will suffer, without means of undoing the damage.
“Not wishing to be boorish” 😯
Perhaps you’re not trying hard enough.
Throughout history, when humans stuffed it up..they could move elsewhere..what happens when there is no “elsewhere”.
Great news. The war between fish and humans is over!
Well that makes feel better, Migs. I’ve had sleepless nights over that issue.
‘If we do nothing and el gordo is wrong, future generations will suffer, without means of undoing the damage.’
The political wing of the Klimatariat thought up the ‘precautionary principle’ … its the ‘future generations will suffer’ meme.
Throughout the western democracies the people are waking up to the deceit perpetrated by self serving scientists, a lame msm and vote hungry pollies.
It really is a disgrace and a very expensive scientific experiment…for starters the desalination plants are white elephants.
While the sun is indeed responsible for the fact that the earth is suitable for life, it is quite clear that other forces are at work in producing and maintaining the climate which we enjoy – otherwise why isn’t the moon a green and verdant paradise ?
the moon is, after all, about the same distance from the sun – and is a lifeless desert, alternating between freezing and blistering temps depending on the solar aspect.
why so different? perhaps because the earth, unlike the moon has an atmosphere, which apart from being breathable, “somehow” prevents some of the sun’s energy from escaping into space, as is confirmed through satellite readings,
so what has changed to explain the observations which point to global warming occurring? well, one thing is the significant rise in atmospheric CO2 since the industrial revolution. the study of basic physics in the 19th century demonstrated that atmospheric CO2 was able to act as a “heat trap”.
increases in the global atmospheric CO2 can be attributed to various sources, recent, and much older according to the ratio of carbon isotopes in the atmosphere.
measurement has shown that the increase in CO2 observed is composed of ancient sources, the primary source of such carbon emissions is the burning of fossil fuels (coal, oil, gas).(by us) 😦
the Milankovich cycles, being currently at a minimum, cannot account for the observations of current warming.
the “denialati” are gullible fools and/or completely dishonest in their desperate fight for relevance, as the facts show their “left wing bias” 😈
Handyrab, fish have too many other issues to worry about, such as the warming oceans.
have the whales left already ?
i thought i heard someone say So long, and thanks for all the fish ! 😀
Perhaps you’re not trying hard enough.
I disagree. He’s very trying
The political wing of the Klimatariat thought up the ‘precautionary principle’
Wow, this goes deeper and further back than even I had imagined 😯
I believe the fish have already started moving south. Some, fromk the north, have reached Tasmania. What happens when they all get to the south pole. Not much sea there.
Desalination plants might be white elephants but they cause the globe little harm.
Can we make this ‘topical’ too 🙂
Whatever you want, Tom. Whatever you want.
I’m being agreeable out of sympathy. 😉
The administrator appointed to the troubled East branch of the Health Services Union has been given an extra two months to oversee its break-up before new officials are voted in.
Federal Court judge Geoffrey Flick on Friday granted the administrator, former judge Michael Moore, a 60-day extension to his original 120-day deadline which expires this month.
The branch, which was formed from the merger of the Victoria No.1, Victoria No.3 and NSW-ACT branches, has been divided into its original parts and all offices have been vacated.
The court on Friday heard elections for the branches’ new leadership were originally planned to take place in mid-August.
Justice Flick said the elections would not be conducted until November 23 as Mr Moore needed more time to “complete his processes”.
Justice Flick in June appointed Mr Moore administrator of the NSW state union HSUeast and of the HSU East Branch of the federal union, saying both had ceased to function effectively…..
Still no charges laid.
Perhaps he did nothing wrong. 😉
That is something which we’ve been arguing here, it seems to be for ever – that although something might not be strictly kosher, that one cannot be charged with a crime unless there is evidence of criminal activity.
That’s the way the law works – if one does not like the Common Law, then there are plenty of countries which don’t have it….
I would just like to comment, boy It has been good in here today. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Channeling Tom R.
There’s nothing worse that having your footy team unceremoniously dumped from the finals’ race after a great season that promised so much. It’s a moment when one should be left alone to spend a few thoughts wishing that things could have gone better.
It’s during this time of solace that a bit of respect should be shown to the vanquished and their devastated supporters.
But don’t expect any from me. I will give you hell. I’ll be your worst nightmare (if I aren’t already). I will endeavor to make your week utterly miserable.
That your team will have been knocked out in straight sets is a point I will harp on religiously.
Expect no sympathy. From any of us.
Is that because I’ve been absent for most of the day? 😯
Come on the swans
Yep, go the Swans. But for tonight I’m a Freo supporter.
No migs, someone else
Do you know how stupid you are sounding el gordo?
Contradictions abound and you have gone back to throwing in single sentence absolutes. No ifs, buts or maybes.
And for stuff sakes, denialati is not a badge of honour, it’s a shame, a denigration and a name for a group who through sheer ignorance, ideology, paid for, just plain dumb ostriches and/or a combination of the former.
‘denialati is not a badge of honour’
”Only a matter of days ago I was being absolutely pilloried by the Labor Party and others, because apparently my position on Cubbie Station was a sovereign risk, that it was populist,” he explained, before casting an eagle eye over the supertrawler bill.
“Then literally days later [Labor makes] a decision which is populist and a sovereign risk!”
But how could such an inconsistency occur?
”The difference between the two decisions seems to be seals and dolphins,” Barnaby observed, Poirot-like.
Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/barnaby-seals-it-with-a-dolphin-in-a-dam-20120913-25vdz.html#ixzz26RVPAd5k
Obviously not. 🙄
Denialati, as in being in a state of denial..as in having a mind which is closed to all other opinions…
Maybe he is actually saying climate change has caused this
Maybe he was trying on a new policy, combining climate change, fisheries and foreign policy rolled into one, 😈 😈 😈
Tom R would be nervous right now.
Nervous Miglo ?? … Nope! Poor old Pav ran into a Truck 😆
Yep one of the very very very few things that you have said that’s correct el gordo.
The government’s decision on the super trawler was populist and in my opinion wrong.
Now I’m looking forward to you canning all of Abbott’s and the opposition’s populist positions, which is all of them.
Morning Mobius…I don’t know of any populist things the monk has on his plate, but you are bound to find a few.
‘a mind which is closed to all other opinions…’
We just don’t like being called denialists, its a non word and highly derogatory. We think the sceptics opinion that CO2 has a minor impact is worth considering.
Abbott has promised $2.08 billion for the Pacific Hwy in NSW, having the Commonwealth restore the 80/20 costs of road funding. That’s a pledge of a total of $5.6 billion for the Pacific Highway, but apart from the $2.08 billion, no information on where the funding will come from.
So how is he going to pay for the $2.08 billion portion?
By redirecting the Federal government’s Epping to Parramatta railway funding and shifting that money to the road.
Yep, there’s some real backward thinking there. And again the Liberal party screws the workers who support them, and for a National Party pork barrel.blockquote>Nationals Leader Warren Truss and Liberal Leader Tony Abbott will unveil this pledge at the weekend’s federal conference of the National Party in Canberra and promise to restore the 80%-20% funding balance between the federal and New South Wales governments. Abbott has said the Pacific Highway is more important than the NBN. What the…?
Note that Truss states. “Regional Australia has been dismissed by the Rudd-Gillard governments“, which is a lie, especially at the State level where the Liberal State governments are slashing services to rural areas.
And whose fault is it for the $2 billion shortfall and missing the 2016 deadline?
Govt gets hwy upgrade deadline
So what Abbott is saying is he’ll make up for the States slashing funding, for if he does it with this then the pressure will be on from all the Liberal states to make up for their slash and burns, which is what they are attempting to get the current Federal government to do.
And this all beggars the question of just where Abbott is going to get all this money from. He’s already committed to $74 billion in unfunded liabilities and it seems he’s now saying he’ll take on the State Liberal government’s shortfalls as well.
We just don’t like being called denialists
ROFl You have proudly worn that badge for a long time. Now you deny it 😆
Apt that you should be quoting barnyard as well. Apparently, he thinks cubbie is a boat 😯
Does anyone else here suspect that this Pacific Hwy announcement from the opposition using Warren Truss is all about a distraction to cover Abbott’s arse?
Covering tabots arse ME
This is hilarious
he finally came to his senses and met the issue head-on in a tough television interview on Nine’s Today show,
Describing that massage from karl as ‘tough’ is just laughable. Sure, it had tough questions, but he allowed any answer, no matter how lame, to go through to the keeper, and then declare the matter finished at the end
Mind you, the rest of the article is pretty good, if you aren’t tabot that is 😉
A lot of people are making stuff up if you believe the Abbott camp.
‘Now you deny it ‘
Only the denialist label …makes me out to be an ignorant prick.
makes me out to be an ignorant prick
Oh, I don’t think we can put that down to a label 😉
Much amusement from Tom. Why do I always have to play the straight man?
Perhaps it’s due to the source of your material. Try getting it from those in the know for a while, instead of contrarian hacks who don’t really understand just what it is they are saying.
Certainly worth a try anyway 😉
tabots already changed his story lol
Tony Abbott, after suggesting Labor’s ”dirt unit” was behind the story about his alleged intimidatory behaviour towards a woman who beat him in a student election, has conceded the author heard about the anecdote from other sources.
Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/abbott-softens-dirt-unit-claim-20120914-25y7a.html#ixzz26UR1EVuT
‘Perhaps it’s due to the source of your material. Try getting it from those in the know for a while…’
Maybe would could do a dig at Deltoid, they won’t let me in the front door, but if you’re with me we could do a comedy routine. With good humour they might let me stay.
And here we had the younger Bishop in parliament yesterday saying the government back flips on everything.
I wish someone had jumped up and made a list of all Abbott’s and the opposition’s back flips, the government’s list would be piddling in comparison.
I’ll be off work after 2pm and will pop down to Timmy’s place to see if I can sneak in. All you have to do is come to my aid when they scream “troll alert”.
Freo woz robbed. 😦
Tinker, Taylor, soldier, sailor, rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief 🙂
Here it is TA debating climate change, it is actually a good laugh
Where’s the sniper? 😦
Please set sights on gloating Crow’s supporters. 🙂
Call the bouncer and have him evicted Migs 😆
Punch him up a bit first, ya reckon? 🙂
The cafe gatekeeper is tolerant and allows heretical views.
Tom there is grumbling over at Deltoid, people are complaining they can’t post and reading between the lines something unfortunate has happened to Tim.
Its a perfect time to slip in while they are distracted. Are you ready?
Tom is the bouncer Migs
We can ask him to give himself an uppercut before hurling himself out the door 😆
Hey, I may have called myself ‘thing’, but I deny ever beating myself 😯 😉
Took care of that Sniper too Migs. Apparently, he is now teaching Tippet the finer points of AIMING!
Deltoid is an empty shell.
The US administration fails to stifle riots.
Maybe Tom could thwow himself woughfly to the gwound…… 😀
Meanwhile I’ll guard the cellar…. as per usual .. 😀
So el gordo is really a warmist, as he calls them. Who would have thunk it.
Climate denial as a false flag operation
“Meanwhile I’ll guard the cellar…. as per usual ..”
And might I say what an excellent job you do too Lovo 🙂
I don’t call building a defensive wall out of empty bottles, one bottle at a time, defending the cellar?
As I mentioned the other day…its regional warming.
And the denialati don’t have a gripe with the sceptics.
Möbius, by the time Bacchus and LOVO emerge from the cellar that’s all we have left. Empty bottles. 😦
“…the denialati don’t have a gripe with the sceptics.”
Yes they do el gordo. Think about it, they must as they are diametrically opposed.
El gordo, I dare say that some do but that others don’t…
We could meet in the sceptics tent and thrash this out…they believe CO2 causes a small amount of warming.
I don’t know Min.
There are sceptics who have changed from AGW opponents to proponents and indeed there have been scientists who have gone the other way, though in far few numbers than the former.
A denier is a denier and at the drop of a hat will change position, change the science, support the sceptic who is an opponent of AGW and then lambast them if they become proponents, and follow whatever the latest meme against AGW is, whether that’s cooling, natural warming, no warming and will change this position as often as required, but unlike a sceptic they will never ever admit they got it wrong, even if the impossible happened and global warming was irrefutably confirmed as 100% anthropogenic.
That’s not true el gordo. There are sceptics who contend there is no warming and others who say it’s natural.
In the climate change context I don’t think you know what a sceptic is, and probably the difference between them and the deniers.
A denier, at least thinking about it..is someone who completely refuses to even consider the possibility and will find any way to bring the science/scientists into disrepute in order that they themselves can be “right”. A sceptic on the other hand has a more open mind, and is prepared to change their opinion if/when they are presented with the right sort information. That is, a sceptic may change in the future, but a denier never will.
Both the denialati and sceptics believe there has been global warming and that’s its natural.
But they don’t seem to be concerned about it. 😦
We are unafrayd of warming, its the the approaching cooling that the denialati are concerned about.
‘I’m practical. I’m really amazed by the way this has all blown up. There has been significant opposition in my part of the world to inland wind farms – for the sensible reason there is no wind there.
‘But I am clear that climate change is happening – climate change has been happening and will continue to happen. And it is quite obvious there is a man-made element to that.
‘What I want to see is the right measures in the right place delivering the right results.
‘From my own direct constituency experience I don’t personally think that inland wind farms are effective at reducing carbon. I don’t even think they are effective at producing energy.’
Owen Paterson in the Farmer’s Weekly
Migs, “Möbius, by the time Bacchus and LOVO emerge from the cellar that’s all we have left. … Empty bottles”……….. thats not quite correct Migs, …seeing as there is no loo down there…… 😉
…… LOVO realising that no one is listening decides to look for Bacchus 🙄 ……. “the problem”.. where to start…… East wing…mm, maybe….. West wing… na,. to new for Bacc’s……..Nth maybe ???…. this cellar is so damned big, must think 😕 …ah huh.. “the Plan ” …… ‘follow the un-opened Blackberry Nip bottles’ …… works for me…… 😀
LOVO, for Bacchus’s pleasure and comfort we had some self-contained sleeping quarters built in the cellar about 18 months ago. Just listen out for the snoring. You’ll find him.
He’ll probably wake up hungry so I’m sure he’ll appreciate a slice of pizza.
😆 by the by and by… Prof. Mo has been on fire today,as usual providing worthwhile links to back-up his commentary…. except, maybe for this comment, (without a link I might add) “I don’t call building a defensive wall out of empty bottles, one bottle at a time, defending the cellar?”…..
…….as for wind farms… I’m think’n El Gordo should go into that field, mm !!! 😀
El gordo is certainly a big bag of wind. 😛
“…sceptics believe there has been global warming and that’s its natural.”
You really don’t have a clue do you? Thanks for proving it.
Everyone with access to the historical scientific records and can read history literature going right back to the beginning of the planet knows there has been global warming and it has been both natural and caused by catastrophic events.
What about the sceptics who contend there is no global warming?
Don’t mix sceptics up with deniers, they have little in common.
And in just two posts you again contradict yourself, saying there is global warming and global cooling.
From the first post I ever read of yours over at Deltoid, you have not had a consistent position on climate change, shifting positions or views depending on what you read and cherry pick from the web at the time.
There is warming and cooling happening all the time, that’s how the system works.
It’s not out of kilter at the moment.
‘Don’t mix sceptics up with deniers, they have little in common.’
Now you are making shit up. I go to Jennifer Marohasy’s blog on a regular basis and the sceptics who inhabit that place are not far removed from the denialati.
On the MDB and Lower Lakes we are in accord.
“It’s not out of kilter at the moment.”
Sorry glib emphatic throwaway lines that change your position every now and again, and now it seems from post to post, don’t cut it.
Prove to us that outside of a catastrophic event the unprecedented speed of the current climate change is part of a natural cycle?
If that were the case then the AGW proponents would have been proven wrong a long time ago and there wouldn’t be a large majority of climate scientists supporting the AGW theory. Natural climate cycles are the easiest things to demonstrate and tends outside of them to prove or disprove.
Current Climate Change Not Part of Natural Cycle: New Evidence Unlike Any Seen During Previous Warming Episodes Found in Arctic
Global Warming Natural Cycle
How Do We Know It Is Not a Natural Cycle?
‘If that were the case then the AGW proponents would have been proven wrong a long time ago…’
The bureaucratic structure holding up this fraud is enormous and will take time to unravel through come about through democratic elections.
The dismantling of the Klimatariat is important, grants will stop going to scientists already on the gravy train.
unravel through democratic elections
Oh stop it el gordo, and avoiding providing evidence I see. Are you back to trolling again, just throwing in one or two sentence nonsense to be contentious so as to provoke responses to satisfy a distorted ego?
You have made a couple of serious accusations, so show the evidence for them or shut up.
And what have democratic elections got to do with science?
if deniers were in fact sceptical, how come they are so eager to lap up the nonsense from watts, monckton, marohasy et al ?
from what i have seen the denialists who wish to term themselves as “sceptics” demonstrate their extreme gullibility in their eagerness to grasp at any any claim, irrespective of fact, which they see as supporting their denial, whether it be wrt to the “a” “g” or “w” composing the acronym of agw.
as an example of such “scepticism”, i cite the irresponsible beat-up known as “climategate”, composed as it was, of selective quotation of text deliberately taken out of context from stolen emails, which was then used to misrepresent the authors’ statements in futile efforts to traduce the reputations of the world’s leading climate scientists. in other words, a massive “ad hominem” attack on the scientists was launched, given the complete failure of the denialists to come up with any credible science in support of their denialism,
the only true (honest) sceptics in this field are the scientists whose questioning has led to the current understanding of the impacts of CO2 on the global climate. .
‘And what have democratic elections got to do with science?’
Everything…do try and keep up.
Watts and Marohasy are sceptics…not sure about the Lord.
The point I’m trying to make is that when funds are withdrawn from the grant hungry scientists, out to prove AGW, then a breath of fresh air will blow through academia. Post normal science will reign supreme.
Imagine giving scientific grants to competent scientists to prove nothing unusual is happening to our climate. A flood of papers proving our earthly system is not out of kilter and the msm picks up on it.
Its curtains for you lot.
el gordo are you saying that 97% of the worlds scientist in this field are crooked. Would they not gain more attention from proving the science wrong.
el gordo, they do not all work in academia, most work in the field. Most are dealing hands on with the changes they are witnessing.
el gordo, most that say they are against the present so called carbon tax, also say they believe in man made climate change. They sas they do not like the tax.
The problem I believe they have no idea what the CEF is about, are not aware tthat it will do what they wish. They do not realise there is much more to it, than a tax. M
Much of what they want is all is already in place. The funding for the complete CEF comes from putting a market place mechanism in place, that is a price on carbon emission.
el gordo this is really not for you, as nothing wil change your mind. Maybe others might be interested in an alternative opinion.
There are many that believe they government has not gone far enough.
el gordo are you saying that 97% of the worlds scientist in this field are crooked. Would they not gain more attention from proving the science wrong.
It’s too obvious to be plausible CU 😉
El Gordo … , “The only ones who are likely to get this concept fiscally are the insurance companies.”
So what have democratic elections got to do with the science?
You haven’t answered.
el gordo. So Watts, Monkton and those other opponents of AGW getting money from vested interests like the Heartland Institute, fossil fuel industries and Koch brothers are not doing it because they are being funded?
Yet 97% of climate and other related field scientists, most who will still get money and grants, and many who would be better off being against AGW, are only doing it for money?
You’re a joke el gordo. Nothing new, you have made these same claims before and been shot down but just keep bringing them up as a distraction because you’re attempting to avoid the challenge and questions I’ve put to you and to provide evidence for your contentions.
Back here again, yet doing exactly what you’ve always done. Disingenuous in the extreme.
where exactly is
it doesn’t exist, of course – multiple Nobel prizes in the sciences await any authors who can demonstrate the falsity of AGW, none have been claimed. .
no evidence of your contention has been provided that is capable of passing peer review exists, let alone “a flood of papers”. Funnily enough, there is plenty of evidence of conspiracy among the Merchants of Doubt, many of whom have prior form as advocates for the tobacco industry, and denial of the science which demonstrated the dangers of tobacco use.
what denialists don’t understand, is that the AGW theory has been developed as the most probable explanation for millions of observations made across multiple scientific disciplines , all of which observations and conclusions must also be explained by any alternate theory, in order to pose a realistic challenge to AGW.
pterosaur1. The throwaway line on climate science funding is a straw man.
I challenged a couple of statements made by el gordo and to provide evidence on one, and bingo out comes scientists’ grants. It’s a tired and worn tactic that as soon as challenged a distraction in the form of a contentious antithetic tact is thrown in.
Two things never change with el gordo. The AGW denial based on no evidence and the straw men thrown in when challenged for evidence.
‘…are you saying that 97% of the worlds scientist in this field are crooked.’
No…its a nasty mix of groupthink and enlightened self interest.
‘Disingenuous in the extreme.’
Christ I hope not.
grodo said ‘BAH’
“…its a nasty mix of groupthink and enlightened self interest.”
Evidence el gordo?
Especially since most of the scientists will be paid whether they researching AGW for or against, or any other aspects of climate.
Yet most of those opponents of AGW, especially the non-climate scientists, only get paid by muddying the debate.
So why don’t you criticise those who are getting paid solely to discredit the AGW science and scientists?
Why don’t you answer my other questions and challenges?
Why do you keep throwing in straw men?
I’m working, so can’t say much. Here is a graph which illustrates my viewpoint.
He said ‘BAH’ again 😯
hehe Dilbert is so apt in so many places.
Here he is channelling tabots pledge
OMFG. Not a graph without context and from WUWT. Absolutely nothing different to the previous distraction tactics, not a single thing.
Once again proving my point.
Pity there’s not an emoticon for a hand waving Tom.
there’s a nice graph here, (for you, eg) it’s not sunspots
note : the presentation of the graph, with supporting references, to its source(s), a useful method of determining credibility .
@ Tom R
more like, fingers in ears, eyes and mind firmly closed, while shouting “nah, nah, nah, with occasional attempted diversions into “look over there”. pathetic, when not offensive in the pathological avoidance of reality,imho
i too remember it from deltoid, was quite disappointed when it’s trolling appeared on my favorite blog (thanks Migs). 😦
might have followed some “trash” in?
Yay, El Gordo put up a graph…… must be a change of shift…… Graph El Gordo is back *waves* 😀
A vivid demonstration of knee-jerk science rejection
The deniers honey trap in cherry picking.
Climate Deniers Are Giving Us Skeptics a Bad Name
Deniers and skeptics have nothing in common and indeed deniers do give skeptics a bad name.
Anti-AGW papers debunked
Sceptical Science and Real Science…I’ll have a closer look later.
“Sceptical Science and Real Science…I’ll have a closer look later.”
Cant wait to see that graph 😀
Try that again..mm!!
“Sceptical Science and Real Science…I’ll have a closer look later.”
Cant wait to see that Graph 😀
“Every working Australian must know in 2013 what has happened in Queensland in 2012” speech at the Queensland ALP Conference
This link from Cook’s post may also indicate groupthink and enlightened self interest.
a quote from your link, eg
have you finally awoken to reality?
if not, why align yourself with the 3% whose “relative climate expertise and scientific prominence ” is “substantially below that of the convinced researchers.” ?
You do know that article doesn’t indicate what you contend it does el gordo?
Of course you don’t. Posting links to sources you think support your contentions but don’t are par for the course.
97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.
This study is widely sourced in the AGW debate as it shows the scientists who are opponents of the theory are of substantially lesser expertise than those who are proponents of AGW.
El gordo will probably link to a giraffe, not a graph.
’97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’
Most of the top guys have great jobs in the Klimatariat and support the idea that CO2 causes global warming. Why am I not surprised?
Its a matter of perspective.
A quick google came up with this.
“enlightened self interest
Why would t be in their self interest to further what you claim is a lie. I am saying it would be in their interest to prove the science wrong. The word is proof, which all that you rely on have not been able to do.
El Gordo ….from your link ..”Could the 97% claim still be true? It certainly could be, but it looks like quite a high estimate. As I said before, Rosenberg 2010 found more like 88% believed in AGW. I expect the number is higher than 66% and lower than 97%”…..
… and theres this from the link below…” This is what passes for public debate over climate change today; two sides sniping at each other in a contest of “mutually assured rhetorical destruction.”
….or how ’bout this “”This is happening before our very eyes,” said Jennifer Francis, a research professor with the Institute of Marine and Coastal Sciences at Rutgers University. “It’s not something that’s happening decades from now or generations from now. It’s real and it’s now.”
I am sick of the BS, from both sides, ..if one side is wrong then nothing will happen, if the otherside is wrong, then we are in a whole lot of poo…. which side should I and my young kids err on El Gordo. I have given up on whether its man-made or not… CC IS happening and at rapid pace…… we need to go onto a “War’ footing IMO… the talk needs to finish and the walk commenced….. deniers??? skeptics???? Get over yourselves… the Artic IS melting.. the perm-frost IS melting…… low lying Islands ARE noticing rising sea levels…… Co2 IS rising….
.. Google that El Gordo ( heres some graphs for ya
I would just like to end this rant with some words from one of Australias best ever PM’s ..” Friends, the fight is on, it’s the fight of our lives, let’s get out there and win it.”Julia Gillard 16/9/12
‘I have given up on whether its man-made or not… CC IS happening and at rapid pace…… we need to go onto a “War’ footing IMO…’
David Archibald is an Australian who presents the denialati perspective….we are confronted by serious cooling.
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Read the comments. It’s all a commie plot.
As LOVO states the stupidity of they’re in it for the funding and grants accusation is a fair amount of them can make more money by proving AGW false. There’s a good portion that will get paid the same no matter what climate science they are doing. There is no advantage of disadvantage whether they find for AGW or against it.
And the one thing overlooked by all, especially those crying out conspiracy of a communist plot to take over the world is that the AGW opponents are getting paid far more to muddy the waters.
So for some reason this is perfectly OK that mostly non-scientists or non-climate scientists are paid considerable amounts by vested interests and right wing think tanks to raise false information but it’s not OK for climate scientists to get paid for what they do.
Another distraction anyway el gordo. Don’t think I didn’t notice that you changed tact.
Oh for stuff sake el gordo. Just today you said it was warming but it was natural.
Can we expect you to have just one position on this or are you going to switch between cooling and warming when it suits your trolling, because that’s what you are doing.
Your old pattern of behaviour there in spades.
This is a free flowing conversation and I’m saying we are about to experience global cooling and humanity is looking the wrong way.
To prove the point will take a few more years, but clearly falling sea level would indicate climate is changing for the worst….because of low sunspot numbers.
Its a complex theory…not simplistic like AGW.
‘Can we expect you to have just one position on this…’
From WW2 to 1976 it was cool and then it warmed until 1998, now its cooling again.
I’m seriously scanning for a tipping point into a mini ice age.
Today in Antarctica was the coldest temperature ever recorded on earth:
But it did warm up to -117f.
Today in Antarctica was the coldest temperature ever recorded on earth:
But it did warm up to -117f.
Geezus H. El Gordo. Please provide a link….. fair(f’n) dinkom I will look at it… but other wise your just trolling 🙄 …… I used to look into your links often.. untill you started ‘doin’ the graph thingy etc…. then I started investigate’n you,mm, which ever ‘u’ that it is/was…. yup you got history.. I said pet, I said etc…. My only hope is that you are doing all “this” for money…. that, I could understand (not like very much, but umm, ‘understand’.. sorta..) if your doin’ all “this” for any other reason then your a complete and total…… 😕 over to you whisperers 😀
I think he is trying to do an Iain and failing badly, noticed he hasn’t been in here doing what he normally does either, as he failed badly as well
Iains to busy with the riots……. BWWAHAHA.
Noticed, I think that is one topic you do not talk about, religion.
Yet el gordo remains oblivious to record temperatures in populated zones. 🙄
Migs, “Yet el gordo remains oblivious….”( full stop)
There fixed it for ya 😀
We’re not out of money. We’ve stopped taxing billionaires and corporations, and we’re funding war-preparation so generously that we’re sparking a global arms race that will eventually generate some enemies with which to justify the war preparation . . . which will make sense to students who were never taught to put events into chronological order. They couldn’t be taught that because their teachers had to be laid off so that greedy billionaires could stuff a little more cash into their fat “Job Creator” tote bags.
Funding teachers doesn’t destroy our environment, erode our civil liberties, hollow out our economy, antagonize the world, or kill anyone. Funding teachers doesn’t get our embassies attacked in nations we’ve “liberated” and leave our Secretary of State wondering out loud how someone…………………………..
The coldest day ever recorded is just weather and has nothing to do with CC, I only mentioned it for curiosity value.
Don’t get me started on UHI, its a can of worms.
And eg has just been reading the polls!
Newspoll: 50-50; Nielsen: 53-47 to Coalition
Note that Tweed who was prolific whenever the polls came out is now silent here.
Maybe the improving poll numbers for the government and Gillard have something to do with it, and the latest set of numbers will have the wingnuts apoplectic.
The numbers are mostly meaningless this far out from an election except to irk the Right who have been jumping on them for the last 12 months, but they do one thing, confirm what we have been saying for quite a while here and that is a week is a long time in politics and the numbers can change at the drop of a hat.
And they can just as easily go south for the government again or more likely, unless the opposition gets rid of Abbott, go further south for them.
Throwing in weather snippets is an old diversionary tactic of el gordos. The meaningless to the debate snippets are always about a record freeze or cold snap, never about record hot days or heatwaves, and if you trace back the thread you will inevitably find they were posted as a side step or in an attempt to change tact.
el gordo returns and immediately engages in exactly the same posting tactics as always. It’s like el gordo never left, and adds about as much to the debate as if el gordo was never here.
It’s like el gordo never left
Yes, but did he jump, or was he pushed ❓
“Yes, but did he jump, or was he pushed?”
el gordo stumbled sideways, as el gordo in responding always goes sideways or backwards, found the large obstacle of facts and science in the way, attempted to jump it with nonsense and distractions and was then pushed over the edge by the lucidity of logic for which el gordo had no automatism. Thus el gordo disappeared from view for a period being sucked up the own arse of meaningless inconsequence.
arse of meaningless inconsequence
lol Mobius. I’m sure that can be added into Wikipedia under the ‘AGW Denialist’ heading 😉
Could also apply to anyone associated with a banner reading ‘Bob Browns Bitch’
Let’s get to the chase, better than splitting hairs. The big picture… you see global warming and for me its global cooling… we both predict disaster no matter what.
Only one of us can win and the signs should be easy to spot. I don’t mind cherry picking on a casual basis.
funny that one of the denialists’ previous “arguments” was that a consensus existed in the ’70’s that “global cooling” was a real threat, and that, therefore, agw was a myth.(both assertions being completely wrong of course).
now we have eg claiming we are in for “global cooling” (without evidence, of course) and therefore agw is a myth and/or conspiracy. 😆
the signs of agw are easy to spot, if you know what to look for, and you’ve already (long) lost that argument. 😀
as to whether anyone will be a “winner” or not, is to be determined when it becomes apparent the scale of damages (we all have to endure) which can be assigned to the delaying tactics employed by the denialists to prevent or mitigate the adverse effects of agw.
It’s not about winners or losers in this el gordo, and even in that you have it wrong.
I, all those I know who follow AGW news and information and I believe most climate scientists who are proponents of AGW want to be proved wrong. It’s not about being right or wrong, it’s about presenting the data and evidence and then governments acting on that data and evidence.
In everyday life we undertake actions based purely on what a majority of science has told us is the safest way the action should be undertaken. We do so without a second thought even though in many cases there are scientists and groups that say these actions can be harmful and the science isn’t complete.
Governments at all levels with departments containing specialists in the fields constantly look at the science and information both domestically and internationally, and use this information to make recommendations or to take action to protect their citizens.
No they don’t always get it right, but when an overwhelming amount of information and scientists in the field present a case for which there is no credible refutation or counter, then they act on the evidence presented, even if that’s only as a precautionary action.
Many governments who are acting on AGW would be much better off both economically and politically not doing so, yet they still take the actions necessary to mitigate man made carbon.
Yet you el gordo, a jumped up inconsequential no nothing professes to know more than all the climate scientists, specialists, vested interest organisations, departments and governments out there.
Pull the other one.
Even if the Coalition was in complete harmony with the government on CC and we replaced all our power stations with renewables overnight, it wouldn’t make an iota of difference to climate.
Why don’t you bring up Dunning/Kruger in relation to my state ofd mind? That should get a few laffs.
I see that the Drake Equation has been amended.
What if the entire planet did that el gordo?
Going through each item in the denier list I see. Which one you going to pick next?
“…it wouldn’t make an iota of difference to climate.”
That’s demonstrably false by the way.
Hi Migs…what are the amendments?
‘That’s demonstrably false by the way.’
1. already have
2. you noticed
why bother, you’ve just made the point for me 😆
don’t like facing the truth? 🙄
If I may enter into the Drake Equation discussion, I would hazard a guess that an upgrade is more than likely due to the number of new planets being discovered. The Drake Equation was drawn up before any planets were discovered beyond our solar system. They appear to be more common that first assumed.
Thanx Roswell and to you Tom…noice to be appreciated.
The Dunning Kruger effect relates more to the quality of your arguments, as opposed to your “state ofd mind”
just sayin’ 😀
It’s Facts at ten paces.
Will sheridan have the guts to draw?
Dear Greg,As you are probably aware, I have taken extreme offence to your article accusing’many in the ABC’ of being admirers of totalitarianism.I have no problem with critical opinions. Indeed, I frequently criticize your paper, for example for its lamentable failure to cover the News International criminal scandal until forced to and for its execrable and dishonest coverage of climate science.
My pleasure, el gordo.
You might note that my assumption was based on logic. I actually have no idea if the Drake Equation has been upgraded or not. To me it’s rather pointless anyway as the existence of extraterrestrial life is beyond doubt.
the existence of extraterrestrial life is beyond doubt.
You’ve seen Falling Skies too then 😉
I’ve seen other things.
I’ve seen other things.
Me too 🙂
Don’t need a link el gordo.
Please think about the bêtise of the statement you made, and I’ll give you a clue; .”..wouldn’t make an iota.”
Many an hour of my youth wasted on this at the pub 😆
The kids have taken over. Migs will be serving Coke soon.
Migs will be serving Coke soon.
May I have a chocolate milkshake?
May I have a chocolate milkshake?
You are slowly convincing me that YOU are the alien Roswell 😉
Is anyone surprise of the polls results. Is this not what the PM has been predicting for two years.
As for the dirt. I suggest that Pyne and co are finding out that can work both ways.,
As for the Tony story, I am perplex why the Opposition is saying they have just heard about it. On this site alone, it has been raise4d regularly over months, even years.
The personal demonization began strongly with Rudd, carried on with Gillard and now at last aimed at Abbott. It can work both ways.
Watching the younger Bishop, I am sure she would like to take the reins. Maybe the Liberals will follow others and hand the poison chalice to a woman, when things are bad.
Roswell the Jerusalem vid was definitely a hoax and this sighting in Chilli is most probably ultra light planes towing orbs.
Poll: Who would you most likely vote for at the next federal election?
Tony Abbott 9%
Kevin Rudd 9%
None of them 9%
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/labor-cautious-about-polls-coalition-dismissive-20120917-26155.html#ixzz26iMKMZ3g
Cokes and milkshakes coming up. 🙄
Cu, the results for both Abbott and Turnbull are 19%. Interesting is that the numbers haven’t changed since this morning with now double the number of votes.
And a THICK shake for el gordo. 🙂
Migs, I dips me cap-a-chino to ye. 🙂
I noticed that Bernardi is wiping his hands with glee over that demonstration yesterday. One by the way that the community notified the authorities it was coming. One that the community disowned.
It is not the face of multiculturalism It is the opposite,
It is the face of racism, no matter which side it comes from. It is the face of fundamentalist, extremism, and fanaticism. It is the face of hate.
It is bad, wherever it comes from.
it is not the face of Muslims for most.
This would have to be one of most feeble of arguments against marriage equality.
Well umm, I coached a boys u14yrs basketball team and I’ll betcha that there are loads of women who might actually know a thing or two about going camping. I am waiting with baited breath for the argument that that boys with 2 female parents will turn out gay cos’ they’ll make ’em dress in tutus…that’s about the standard of logic of that argument 🙄
Min, that is 9% for all. except the PM which is 44%
Min, it was me that took my son to all those places. Father would not have the ability to put a worm on the hook.
Men, with daughters, are not bad in the kitchen and dressing their daughters in my opinion. The one that comes to mind was a widower, with a young son and daughter.
Woman can and do fish and camp. They even train and referee those young teams.
They have too, as there are not enough men around.
There must have been many women laughing when they watch him, even some with husbands.
Boswell is so last century, nice if he moved on.
What was also said today, is marriage has always been between A woman and A man.
Sorry, that is wrong. State marriage was first to protect wealth of kings.
There have been many types of marriages. Between one man and many woman for starters.
One had to be of the same faith. The list goes on and on and on.
Very little was said about love in the near past. There were arranged marriages.
The poor never bothered. There have been marriages based on culture. Marriages based on faith. Marriages based on where you sat in society.
Religion adopted marriage from the culture is existed in.
In the RC, marriage is a sacrament, church law. , that couples take between each other. Marriage is not conferred by the priest. All the priest does, is witness the marriage.
In other words. a commitment.
Saturday, I watch my granddaughter, renew her marriage vows. She married in Samoa four years ago. The service was for the mother.
This took place in Emereton RC.
What amazed me, was the priest asking the couple to accept all the children god sends them. Sadly I said, not under my breath, but a little too loud, no way.
They have four beautiful children. Two born since they married. The last is a miracle baby that should not be alive. He is beautiful but still has many operations to face. I believe my granddaughter has done her bit. That adding that in, was cruel.
El gordo, for a horrible moment there I thought you meant Rowell. I was gearing for a fight.
el gordo. for once. we are in agreement.
el gordo. for once. we are in agreement.
I thought we were too, until I realised he wasn’t talking about Roswell 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
At seventy I could be faced with the option of remarrying. Listening to some, it would be wrong, for marriage is for having kids.
In that regard, I had four. have done my bit.
If I follow the reasoning, I have no right to marry.
(It would be unlikely that I would go down that path. Was not that interested the first time back in 1966)
Tom is a fickle friend. 🙂
One thing that people such as Boswell do not understand and that it’s all about aptitude plus interest, and very little about gender. We all know of people who excel in roles which 19th & 20th Century mores dictated were allocated to the opposite gender. And these attitudes do change, for example typewriting was once a male job as it involved a machine.
Roswell on the other hand is very 21st century..or should I say 22nd century. 😉
I thought it could not get worse.
If Abbott and Co do not believe the numbers are there. why not a conscious vote.
Tom is a fickle friend.
Don’t take it badly Roswell. I also wish I was back in last century, if not just for the old fashioned chocolate milkshakes, and a simpler time, when the big questions were asked 😉
And all that rubbish in the AFR, ( which coincidentally is now edited by an ex news ltd journo) is being refuted by Lewis by word and job description. It will be Lewis’ job aa NATO ambassador to assist in Australia’s exit from Afghanistan.
Another error by Bishop to believe an article written by a journalist from the murdoch stable.
Min, ““Who takes a boy to football? How does he go camping and fishing? Yes, there might be some attempt by one of the mothers to fill in as a father figure but it will not work.” …. WTF is this bloke ‘generalising’ aboot…. I’m a single Dad with 2 girls and a boy… my eldest is a girly girl (17), my boy(13) likes maths and computer related stuff, he is not into sport… my youngest girl(12) plays footy with the boys.. 2 seasons now…and I stand there with the other Dads and say “thats my girl” etc… Kids need love and support.. not ideologies from the 50’s….ALL KIDS ARE DIFFERENT… love them, feed them, educate them and they will be who they will be…. I’m a hetro bloke,.. if you follow this dicks logic then my girls are both going to be lesbians because their bought up by an ex-mining guy who now does concrete’n for a living….. and my boy is going to be some real macho dude…. not how it is fella…. sterotype’n…. not living in the ‘real’ (woteva that is) world….. and might I add being a single Dad in this day and age it just ‘seems’ that the “system” is weighted against you (me)…..as in things like baby change facilitiys are in womens toilets etc….. and the like… I was left with a 3 week old, a 19mnth old and a 4yr old and I can TELL you now that the world ain’t “weighted” in a blokes direction in that situ…. ay, cobba’s…. so saying that kids are gunna poofs or leso’s if bought up in an ‘exclusively’ gender type situ is BS, IMO…..
Happy birthday to Catching Up and Handyrab. Party hard peoples. 🙂
Thanks Miglo. Seem I share it with a nice person. Thanks for the compliment.
Happy birthday, Rabbit.
LOVO, as I said, men manage as well. I suspect those making these statements have had little to do with their own kids.
LOVO, I believe things are becoming a little better for men. Women are letting go of the strings that society imposed on them, when it came to the kids. The gender roles are breaking down. That is a good thing.
Lovo is cool in my book.
Re Migs @12.37am..and I would also like to wish Catching up and Rabbit a VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY for today.
And thank you, Migs.
And thank you, CU.
Thank you Min, and happy birthday, CU
Ooops forgot the ball boys! 😀
I believe that el gordo believed gas was the answer. Maybe not. It is becoming too expensive. Maybe, it will be the renewals. Renewals that are expensive to put in place, but becomes cheaper over time.
Bishop is not getting her way as acting Opposition leader during QT. Actually making a fool of herself.
Poor Pyney. Nothing to his liking.
All we are getting, is electricity bills. Little overcooked. Maybe time to look at something new.
Garrett, we do the building up, they do the pulling down.
Spoke to my son in law on the weekend, He is high up in Catholic Education. Said that the O’Farrell will have a disastrous effect on their schools. Said that the PM’s plan was good for all schools.
With some media emphasis in the past few days on Abbott’s thuggish temperament, I suppose it’s only to be expected that the Coalition will seek to portray Labor people as thugs. #RightWingProjection, as ever…
The Liberals’ #RightWingProjection never stops. Now it’s bullying and intimidation…
I think we can do with a good news story for a change, Something positive.
Oh dear!The Liberal Party @LiberalAus took that silly twt down?There,there,never mind.I kept you a copy.Stating cops will become criminals cos their mates are sacked:
Labor’s Budget cuts create conditions for corruption to occur
This is laughable on so many fronts it’s hard to know where to start.
Opposition promising savage PS cuts if they get into power but here promising to increase the PS without saying where the funding is coming from.
Having a go at the government for not detailing funding whilst not detailing their own funding on the same policies.
The Federal Opposition endorsing the savage cuts the Liberal States are making, which includes Law & Order but canning the cuts the Federal government makes in the same area.
Another bloody hypocrite
Senator Sue Boyce
“If my vote meant the Bill would get through I would definitely cross the floor”
But and this I reckon is the issue Sue Boyce is up for election next election.
Yes, a sensible debate is needed. We need to move beyond “where is the money coming from” “spending like a drunken sailor” and such. We need to look at what our priories are, and what is essential. Then we need to work out how we pay for them. Simple really.
Of course, the Opposition is going to use that new Parliamentary Budget Office. Then maybe pigs will fly.
the Opposition is going to use that new Parliamentary Budget Office.
Does it have a catering arm?
Do not think so. No accountants report available either. I seem to recall Labor bending over backwards, to make it acceptable to the Opposition though.
No, I believe it is just capable of revealing 70 billion or more black holes. The Opposition can not have that.
Lovely listening to the Opposition wasting time of a disallowance motion against the dental scheme, complaining that Labor is desperate to cut costs.
Maybe the Opposition could assist in this regard by ceasing in it;s endeavour to waste parliamentary time. I imagine this effort, this morning, will result in the house sitting into the early hours of the morning.
PM, give Bishop a lecture on the fact violence is always wrong. Not well received.
Swan pointing out what the AAA rating entails. Wonder if there will be similar questions today of excessive spending from the Opposition. Pointed out that they raced into the house to trash the economy. Swan enjoying himself. Once again, did not check facts. Swan would like an apology.
Pyne believes that the Opposition should not be slagged by Swan. Albanese asked that Mirabella withdraw. Pyne once again, raised the handbag brigade. Mirabella has been told to withdraw from her seat, not hobble to the table. I believe Pyne will not be here long. Attacking the deputy speaker.
Of course, Mirabella makes a speculate of herself by going to the table. Pyne has been given a stern warning.
Pyne once again whining. Told to get back to his seat.
Like the way the PM uses the word, bellowing. reminds me of the time when one brings the cows home late at milking time. Speaker said, even she would have problems asking Swan if he was reading from a picture. Aimed at Hockey.
PM said the Opposition should be out there taking the economy up. Hockey once again jumps to his feet to continue to talk the economy down. Bet the answers begins with, they cannot help themselves. NO, PM just said “it is the facts” Accuses Hockey of misrepresenting facts.
The member for Sturt now in trouble for standing in the aisles. He is having big problems keeping to Abbott;s script. Much more at home, being a noisy idiot.
Bishop thrown out for trying to be funny or smart. Raised Rudd being unfairly dismissed.
Abbott complaining. We are now having the new tactic of claiming to be misrepresented.
Another time wasting new practice.
Well there you have it, Senator Sue Boyce was paired with Joe Ludwig. So she didn’t have to have her vote recorded
So much for the “bravery” and the “they are just people”.
Reminds me of the tears of the refugee debate.
Sue reminds me of tabot swapping his pairing arrangement with Gillard so he could get his vote recorded, and one who said she would abstain not recorded
I read that pairs are not on when there is a conscious vote, which in this case was only Labor.
It was said that she abstained. Not sure if there were others.
i read the pulse about the sue boyce pairing, as opposed to abstaining
“4.22pm: Liberal Senator Sue Boyce, who spoke out against the Coalition’s position on marriage earlier today in the Senate debate, was paired informally with Labor Senator Joe Ludwig.
So she was not in the chamber.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/blogs/the-pulse/politics-september-20-2012-20120920-267r0.html#ixzz26zvgLbnL
So we will never hear of her again. And Boyce can see where she ends up on the Liberal Senate Team numbers qld at hext years election
School yard behaviour. Very thin skinned our esteemed Opposition. Julie was ropeable on more than one occasion today. It appears the government keeps giving offence. She and Pyne reckon it is just not fair.
Poor Tony, the girls pick on him all the time. I assume it would be OK if it was one of the boys.
( I have a five year old grand daughter who is in big trouble at school for hugging and kissing a little boy. She is in big trouble, as he is so traumatise, he has nightmares. )
Wonder what happens to Tony, after the girls, or as they are known, women brigade pick on him. Wonder if he cries on Margie’s shoulder
It is sure hard being Opposition leader in today’s political climate.
Sue, who knows what the truth is. Two MP away at the birth of their baby. From each of the fence. Both support the bill.
How does one have an informal pairing arrangement. Trying to have it each way, I suspect.
You know there are already same sex marriages. The difference is that they are all defacto.
Not sure what to make of all this…
El gordo, you’re just the person I’ve been looking for. You might want to click on the link on richardbyers name in the “I would have liked to have done something else’ thread.
Just do it.
The opposition cannot do anything right, This from the Herald Sun.
They even had a shot at the Independents, Tony Windsor gave back even better the Peter Dutton.
el gordo, I posted similar a week or so ago.
I think it means, Labor giveth. Coalition taketh.
Nothing new there.
Paul, it’s very doubtful that the opposition wants to discuss anything whatsoever. The betterment of Australia? What’s that? All that matters is bringing down the government.