Turnbull, Malcontent?

What are the reasons for his discontent?
What troubles in his bosom buried?
Is Malcolm Turnbull now a man intent
On casting off a burden too long carried?

Is acceptance of that poisoned chalice,
His task to destroy the NBN,
Which Abbott offered out of malice,
Causing him to wish he could resign again?

He knows that pulling up established fibre
Reminds of books once by fascists burned,
Sure to alienate many a subscriber,
Have voters back to ALP returned.

So he contradicts his colleague, Joe,
Clearly speaks against the party line.
This has his audience agog to know,
Is the Honorable Mal planning to resign?

Late night, world weary, mood odd and strange,
Head and heart  loyal still to an ETS,
Loath to back Abbott’s craziness on climate change,
One sensed, if asked direct, he’d have answered, gladly,   “Yes!”

102 comments on “Turnbull, Malcontent?

  1. He’s not likely to resign over climate change and doesn’t have the numbers to mount a challenge, nor ever will.

    He’s a traitor and should be rewarded with the job of first president of the Oz Republic. Malcolm deserves it.

  2. A traitor? You are joking.

    It’s Abbott whose the traitor.

    You don’t forget that Turnbull only lost by one vote to Abbott and that was only because two of his supporters were unable to make it to vote. Both stated they would have certainly voted for Turnbull.

  3. el gordo, I’m not overly fond of Malcolm Turnbull, but he’s prepared to make a stand on principle, while Tony Abbott doesn’t even know the meaning of the word.

  4. I love the poem, Patricia. How do you keep producing these wonderful gems.

    I agree with ME that Turnbull is not the traitor, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Abbott doesn’t try and paint him as one. The only thing more important to Abbott than the Liberal Party are the keys to the Lodge. Turnbull could stand in his way. Quite easily.

  5. I share Pip’s opinion. He appears to be a man of principle and dare I say it, if we were to have a Liberal PM I’d settle for him.

  6. MALCOLM Turnbull has conceded he still has ambitions to reclaim the Liberal leadership, but said he has no doubt Tony Abbott will lead the Coalition to the next election……
    ..Delivering a 21-minute address to the Queensland Media Club in Brisbane today, the Coalition communications spokesman spent more than 15 minutes outlining his personal economic vision for Australia, including the creation of a sovereign wealth fund to re-invest mining revenue.
    Answering questions after the speech, Mr Turnbull conceded he still held ambitions to return to the Liberal leadership, which he lost to Mr Abbott in 2009………..

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/malcolm-turnbulls-attack-on-climate-policy-angers-coalition-mps/comments-e6frg6xf-1226059034118

  7. I don’t agree, Miglo. At times I find Turnbull’s lawyer sophistry every bit as distasteful Abbot’s casuistry. Look at his efforts to stitch up Mike Quigley

    Apparently his only concern was to discredit the head of the NBN simply to throw more mud and underming the government’s efforts. Mind you he was obviously sensitive to the criticism in that article. He blogged a reply at length in an effort to rationalise his actions. And did he ever cop a serving from a lot of intelligent and well informed bloggers, including the author, Rene LeMay, who commented that he was beginning to doubt Turnbull’s motives and his reputation as an ‘honorable’ man.

    I imagine if he has any kind of self regard that sort of comment would be wearing him down. Remember, though, he was prepared to frame Rudd, using poor wretched Grech. Being caught out didn’t shame him too much. Though I think people forgot that in all pzazz of his ‘principled’ speech after Abbott dislodged him.

  8. True, Patricia, but he’s still a standout compared to the rest of the incompetent buffoons.

  9. I am not so certain that Turnbull is all that wonderful. He tries to talk the talk..when it suits him. He does the walk..when it suits him. He proports to be a person of principals…when it suits him.

  10. Miglo, “dare I say it, if we were to have a Liberal PM I’d settle for him”. I wouldn’t go that far, it’s just that the rest of the “buffoons” make him look o.k.

  11. I could forgive Turnbull about the Grech affair..comes under the heading of ‘sucked in’ as he made up for it when he crossed the floor. Showed character when he said that he wouldn’t contest his seat when he lost to Abbott..but then rolled over to have his tummy tickled when he accepted the NBN portfolio. Turnbull knew that Abbott was pointing the rude finger to him when Abbott fulfilled his promise of a shadow portfolio – which was the condition of Turnbull standing again at the last election.

    Is it just a coincidence now that the NBN is just about bedded down that Turnbull has suddenly decided to make a play? I think not. A man of character, I think not.

  12. Min, Turnbull has been doing his best to cause trouble for NBN’s Quigley, knowing full well that the smear campaign from The Australian is malicious and untrue, which they clear themselves of libel with in a one-liner at the end of most articles.

  13. I find it hard to believe that Mr. Turnbull would be taking this pathway if he did not have some supporters.

    I believe there must still be some in the Liberal party that have self pride and do not buy the tripe put out by Mr. Abbott.

    The problem I have is identifying them, as all we hear from are a handful of Abbott’s gang.

  14. I have to concede (Min waves to Migs :)) that when push does come to shove, Turnbull is the best that the Liberals have on offer. He at least is living in the 21st Century.

  15. Very very interesting, Sky are currently telecasting the Community Cabinet at Modbury Heights. It’s quite a line up and includes Ellis, Combet, Pliberseck, Gray, Burke, Shorten. What was that someone said about Labor being short on talent?

  16. Min, “he’s living in the 21st century”. Maybe he hasn’t accepted yet that “fibre” is 21st century. Old copper wiring is old hat 🙂

  17. Yep, it’s all good according to Two Tones.

    OPPOSITION leader Tony Abbott today backed his frontbench colleague Malcolm Turnbull after he appeared to question the Coalition’s climate change policy.

    “Malcolm and I talk regularly about these subjects and he fully supports the Coalition’s policy,” Mr Abbott told reporters.

    He said he thought Mr Turnbull, shadow communications minister, had given “a very strong performance” when questioned on carbon emissions on ABC TV last night.

    I’m not so sure.

  18. There must not be a vacuum that allows the Mr. Abbott and the MSM to fill it with what amounts to lies and products of their imagination.

    The PM needs to be aggressive and not take a step backwards. The MSM and Mr. Abbott need to be in the position that they are responding, not setting the agenda.

    Mr. Brown made the media looks like idiots today. They are that arrogant that they did not realise what was happening. Answers they do not like, they consider as not being answered. This is something they have picked up from the Coalition during question time. Mr. Brown well and truly answered every question, some more that once.

    I love the soft way he responded to the media questioning. Why does the media believe that they can ask and do what they like, without being challenged. They are not gods and not above reproached.

    I hope that video of Mr. Brown’s press conference gets wide coverage, especially among the young.

    The media at that press conference did not cover themselves with glory, and I believe that News Ltd is letting the ball go through to the keeper. Personally they are not in the position to do anything else.

  19. What is Mr. Turnbull’s’ motive for his revelations last night. Is he fed up and looking at resigning?

    Does he have support from other’s who have similar thoughts. Is he thinking of joining the Independents. I do not believe that Mr. Turnbull would waste time making the comments he made without a reason.

    Maybe Mr. Turnbull’s motive is revenge. You set me up to fail, OK, but I am taking you with me.

    Maybe Mr. Turnbull believes in Australia and does not want to see it destroyed under Abbott.

    Mr. Turnbull’s body language and the look on his face during Mr. Abbott’s reply to the budget looked as if he had enough. He looked angry if the truth was to be known.

    I find it hard to believe that Mr. Turnbull would be taking this pathway if he did not have some supporters.

    I believe there must still be some in the Liberal party that have self pride and do not buy the tripe put out by Mr. Abbott.

    The problem I have is identifying them, as all we hear from are a handful of Abbott’s gang.

  20. One thing that has gone missing from the media is Abbott’s immediate reaction to Turnbull’s statements. This ran along the lines of: He (Turnbull) will do as I tell him.

  21. Tony Abbott is in deep poo with this one. Firstly Abbott spruiked Turnbull’s knowledge and business expertise with regards to the NBN, but now Abbott has to say that Turnbull is wrong about Abbott’s Climate Change policy.

  22. Catching up, No one has yet floated the idea that MT is defying Abbott and his party to dump him. What better entry on his c.v. in a few years time when being considered as likely GG, or better still President of the Republic of Oz, than having been a politocal martyr to principle.

    Besides I think think he really does care about the environment, and he’d like to be a Cameron type PM. He knows now that his chances of that are zilch.

    He doesn’t need the money. He will still be a very big man when and if Tony Abbott is consigned to Opposition yet again. He is a sensible man. He knows how bad Abbott and Co will be for the country. He doesn’t want to help him into government.

  23. “Sabotaging the country to win government

    Have you noticed how, in a parliamentary democracy, an Opposition can – if it doesn’t actually care about damaging the country to do it – sabotage Government policies that may well otherwise have………………”

    http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/sabotaging-the-country-to-win-government/#respond

    Could not agree more. Mr. Abbott and the Opposition has continually attempted to talk down the economy over the last couple of years.

    In the past, an Opposition would have been criticised severally for this behaviour. Mr. Abbott cannot destroy the government’s policies without causing harm to the present and future economy. Mr. Abbott as Opposition leader has a responsibility to act responsible.

    Patricia, I suspect that Mr. Turnbull wants revenge and is willing to take Mr. Abbott with him when he goes.

    I am of the suspicion that there is not much depth in the Liberal Party and very few with the decency or strenght to take Mr. Abbott on.

    I was of the opinion that if Mr. Abbott was successful in obtaining power, he would not last long, that more sensible heads would take over. I believe I am mistaken in this belief, there are not anyone more sensible in the present Liberal Party. This is sad.

    I think we are seeing the same scenario in the new State Coalition in NSW. The only reason they were voted in was because they were not Labor. Their lack of skills is appearing rapidly. Six weeks in government and the public criticism is already severe.

  24. CU, I would say that Turnbull is positioning himself for a go at the leadership. After July Abbott will have nothing to bleat about as everyone will be far more interested in the Greens in the Senate than Abbott’s neverending, monotonous – done over like a dinner – continuous borrrrring hollow statements! Even now the press is going glassy-eyed having to listen to the same ol’ from Abbott.

    With a Green agenda to the fore after July the Liberals are going to be looking around for someone who can present a credible alternative – it’s going to be a big lurch to the left – some of the media will go kicking and screaming, but it’s going to happen.

  25. CU from my perspective you have everything arse about. Joolya is about to damage the country with her unnecessary carbon dioxide tax.

    We have a democracy where politicians argue the toss to settle their differences, instead of a violent coup.

    All is in order and the NSW conservatives are doing fine, unless you read Crikey. As I mentioned previously, Abbott is watching O’Farrell to see if he can get the infrastructure plans up and running.

  26. “going to be looking around for someone who can present a credible alternative – it’s going to be a big lurch to the left – some of the media will go kicking and screaming, but it’s going to happen.”

    Min, you could be correct, if their are enough credible people in the Liberal Parliamentary Party to bring this about.

  27. el gordo, I am listening to the news broadcasts. I do not go out much, but earlier this week I used four buses while out. What surprised me was the number of complaints I over heard re the new NSW government.

    Maybe you are correct, as you believe you always believe, but the impression I am getting, that this government has little love or respect.

    It was elected for one reason only, it was not Labor.

  28. el gordo, I am not to sure what you mean by this.

    “As I mentioned previously, Abbott is watching O’Farrell to see if he can get the infrastructure plans up and running.”

    What infrastructure plans. The ones he has promised that are not ready to go, over those that are ready.

    I have not seen any evidence that Mr. Abbott is interested in building any thing, only in destroying.

    I notice Mr. Oakeshott is challenging Mr. O’Farrell to let the Pacific Highway improvements to go ahead.

  29. CU, the Libs will have to go along with this for relevancy’s sake. I’m not saying that they will wake up immediately because when one is deprived of one’s power the reaction is to up the volume substantially.

    What we have is factual information ~

    that Turnbull’s portfolio is soon to become irrelevant
    that the Greens are to take over the Senate
    that Turnbull is again making a play to cast himself back into relevance, something that differentiates himself from Abbott – climate change

    Now we have to consider why the timing. As above but also to be suspected that Turnbull knows that a good portion of Libs will support him…giving due regard to the fact that Abbott only just sneaked into the leadership and so there are a good number of Liberals out there ready to back Turnbull.

  30. Min, I hope there is some decency left in the Liberals for this to occur.

    I do not think that Mr. Turnbull would be acting as he is, if wasw not sure of how the rest of the party will act.

    Mr. Abbott will be a better proposition for Labor in the long run.

  31. It is rather like that old idium “the only good Injun/lib is a d*** un”.
    MT will have to look deep and wide to find any, they are all tainted, within the Lieberal’s ranks evil will flourish if good people do nothing.

  32. Compassion For Turnbull: He Just Wants His Balls Back

    Malcolm Turnbull has again managed to anger his colleagues, thanks to his comments on the Coalition’s Direct Action climate policy on Lateline this week…..

    http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/2011/05/compassion-for-turnbull-he-just-wants-his-balls-back.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MenziesHouse+%28Menzies+House%29

    Worth a look. The party is in attack mood as far as Mr. Turnbull is concerned. Wonder what his reaction will be. Not pretty, I am sure, that is for the Liberals.

  33. CU..re “He just wants his balls back”. It’s awfully difficult to add anything to this statement other than..Yes you’re right. 😯

  34. http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/turnbull-lets-climate-anger-bubble-over-20110519-1euu7.html

    Turnbull almost certainly was driven by frustration rather than calculation. He despises the climate policy. Those negative feelings can only be exacerbated by the very strong policy that British Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron – whom Turnbull consulted on climate when he was leader – embraced this week. Turnbull also desperately wants a crack at the now ever-so-attainable prime ministership. But Abbott, who might have been expected to implode by now, is instead deeply dug into the leadership.

    Michelle Grattan is right in the first but wrong re Abbott being ‘deeply dug in’. Anyone with any mathematical ability knows that you change but one of the variables then you alter the outcome.

  35. “It was elected for one reason only, it was not Labor.”

    As indeed what their entire election campaign was based on and was their campaign slogan, “We are not Labor.”

    Where O’Farrell has come unstuck, and the very thing that will unstick negabore Abbott if he falls into power, is that Barry over several years was nothing but a negabore aided and abetted by most of the MSM. This was after O’Farrell on getting the Liberal leadership promised he wouldn’t be negative and would only articulate positive things for NSW, something he has yet to live up to.

    Now the problem with being a very lazy opposition and only canning everything and anything the government does or says without espousing any alternatives or positive policies, is that the people assume and expect that you do have better policies and plans otherwise you are only speaking out of your arse.

    O’Farrell knew this the moment he got his landslide and realised that “not being Labor” wasn’t going to cut it anymore, as he would have to start producing and quickly, because that is exactly what he said he would do if he got power. Only problem is he has nothing in place to produce with or any credible alternatives so the first two things he did was send as much stuff he said was urgent in opposition off to far down the track committees for investigation and the second was to begin setting up excuses and blame shifting, something he said he would not do when he was in opposition (are you detecting a pattern with O’Farrell?).

    O’Farrell for the short time he’s been in has only been able to get a fairly easy ride because the media, unlike they did daily with Labor from their day one. This protection of Barry hasn’t quite worked because things are still going wrong in NSW, in fact escalating in some areas, and apart from O’Farrell iterating it is beyond government control or the previous government’s fault, he and his government have been missing in action.

  36. Catching up, thanks for the link. Senator cory Bernardi founded Menzies House.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/cory-bernardi-admits-to-providing-web-hosting-and-domain-name-for-menzieshousecomau/story-e6frg6n6-1225823058140

    Senator Bernardi insisted he would be “absolutely removed” from editorial decisions. “I thought this was an excellent idea because there is not a single area on the internet . . . where those who are Liberal supporters can gather, debate, discuss,” he said yesterday.

    “I’ve been dealing with the editors but it’s all their baby now.”

    But one of those editors is a member of Senator Bernardi’s own staff, Chris Browne. Another is Tim Andrews, the former president of the Australian Liberal Students Association, a grouping that traditionally backs the party’s Right.

  37. There are two people on O’Farrell’s Infrastructure NSW that destroy things, not get them moving. A major reason State Labor was in power for so long was because of the state Greiner left NSW in and it took a while for people to forgive the Libs for that.

    O’Farrell is not moving ahead, he’s setting up to cut back and blame shift.

  38. Further to O’Farrell’s setting up of a board and committees to see how to get things running, surely this means that he lied in all those years leading up to the time he was elected. He made out as though he had the answers and all NSW had to do was elect him.

    So this board is an admission he never had any answers to anything apart from getting jobs for the boys and wasting more of NSW taxpayer’s money. Along with that the setting up of boards and committees was what the previous Labor government used to do when they had nothing, and all of them went nowhere in an expensive jaunt for little or no result.

    Why would O’Farrell’s boards and committees be any different apart from the fact O’Farrell used to always heavily criticise the setting up of boards and committees as a waste of time and money instead of just getting on with the job at hand.

    See the pattern with Barry? Yet another thing he constantly criticised from within opposition that he is now doing whilst in power. There’s a word for it and several expletives that should go with that word.

  39. el gordo, I though that Mr. O’Farrell was Premier.

    Surely Mr. O’Farrell knew what he wanted to do before he was elected.

    I am sure if many more knew of the connection to Gardner and Wilton, they might have paused before marking the ballot ticket.

    ME. Mr O’Farrell’s other problem is that it is possible NSW was not in as bad state as many were led to believe. Yes, it was a tired government with many years of baggage to contend with.

    Many will not agree with me, but I can only judge things that I have had personal contact with, such as hospitals and public transport. I must say, I found them more than adequate.

    On my travels I have noted extensive road and rail upgrades. Maybe I am easily pleased, but I have this suspicion that many that complain have little or no contact with what they are complaining about.

  40. I would like to point out that a week is a long time in politics and Mr. Abbott knows this.

    By the time the next election is called, the gloss would have worn off the State Coalition governments that have recently been elected.

    This I believe will occur faster than normal. If you look at the history books, the voters rotate governments. When the Coalition is in the Federal Government, there is a shift to Labor in the states. The shift to the Coalition was slower this time.

    We will see if WA has taken on more than it can manage with its raising of the mining Royalties. There does not appear to be much support for their actions, except those who see it as another problem for Labor.

    Governments is a complicated business with many people to please. Governments have problems all the time, that is the nature of governments and is nothing new. The perception appears to be that Labor, unlike Coalition is somewhat lacking if they do.

    What is important is not the problems they face but how they deal with them.

    It would be nice if the MSM made as much noise when the Labor solves the problems as when the do announcing the problems.

  41. “I am sure if many more knew of the connection to Gardner ”

    I sorry. I mean Griener. Do not know how Gardner got there. Can only blame the spell checker and my laziness.

  42. The point to be made is that O’Farrell is doing it by the book. This is a very capable board, with new and upgraded transport infrastructure on their list of priorities.

    Their aim is to take the pressure off the coast with satellite cities further west.

  43. el gordo, I do hope you are correct, but I do believe I will not be around to see it.

    He is going to get plans for all this in six months. Do not believe in miracles.

    I know he promised to give us more trains. Sorry he will not be successful.

    Labor tried this a few years ago. The results was trains running late. When they reverted back to the old numbers of trains, the system became more reliable.

    The simple fact is that there is not enough room on the tracks for this miracle.

    He has promised much, but most is in fairyland, as time will tell.

  44. Saterllite cities further west. That sounds like something that was mentioned back in the seventies by a man called Mr. Whitlam.

    He is going to perform this miracle aslo in six months, by the book? What book?

  45. By the book, transparent every step of the way.

    Greiner has probably got ideas in the pipeline already and he will be looking to organize private consortiums to carry some of the load.

    Whitlam’s white elephant may have life yet.

  46. Malcontent Turnbull gets semantic.
    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3220679.htm
    He said this on Lateline:=

    MALCOLM TURNBULL: Well, Tony, honestly, I don’t want to comment on my – on the direct action policy. I’m happy to describe it to you. If you want a commentary run on it, you should ask Tony Abbott or Greg Hunt about it.

    It is what it is. It is a policy where, yes, the Government does pick winners, there’s no doubt about that, where the Government does spend taxpayers’ money to pay for investments to offset the emissions by industry.

    That’s the – and the virtue of that – I think there are two virtues of that from the point of view of Mr Abbott and Mr Hunt.

    One is that it can be easily terminated. If in fact climate change is proved to be not real, which some people obviously believe – I don’t. If you believe climate change is going to be proved to be unreal, then a scheme like that can be brought to an end.

    And also, on the other hand, if you believe that the world is going …

    TONY JONES: So this is a scheme which actually is built effectively to cater for sceptics?

    MALCOLM TURNBULL: Well, I think it – let me just go on

    So, the Coalition Direct Action Plan is seen as a virtue by Mr. Abbott and Mr. Hunt according to Mr Turnbull and here he is on his blog correcting the record and having a dig at The Australian.

    LATELINE – WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID.
    http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/blogs/malcolms-blog/the-lateline-interview-response-to-critics/

    The Oz wrote that he said “best feature”, when he actually said “virtue”. Who would have thought, The Oz getting it wrong…….

    The sting for the poor old taxpayer is stowed away in the middle:-
    Direct action on the other hand does not impose any financial burden on emitting industries, nor does it impose any financial cost on households and businesses in their capacity as energy users. Emitting industries operate on a business as usual basis. The cost of offsetting emissions is borne by the taxpayer as the Government pays for sufficient carbon offsets to ensure net emissions meet the bipartisan target of of a 5% reduction from 2000 levels by 2020.

    Crikey also had a bit to say:-
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/05/19/that-was-careless-hunts-climate-policy-just-blew-out-30/

    Hunt’s climate policy just blew out 30%

  47. …transparent every step of the way.

    Thanks for the great laugh, Greiner transparent? Comedy gold. Liberal government’s transparent? Comedy white gold. Labor governments being transparent? Pull the other one.

    When a government says it will be transparent it’s code for it will reveal what it has made and cooked up for public consumption, the real stuff remains buried away until either it’s leaked or some intrepid reporter finds out and convinces his purse strings to part with the thousands it takes to get FOI and he has the time to fight through the deliberately convoluted process to gain the info.

    You keep perplexing me el gordo. For a self professed lefty you sure go out of your way to defend the right.

  48. self professed lefty

    I think he blew that claim out of the water on the same day he made it ME 🙄

    A pity really – I might have taken more notice of what he’s got to say if it wasn’t for that little gaffe.

    Then again, I don’t think he’s said too much that is sensible…

  49. The simple fact is that there is not enough room on the tracks for this miracle.

    O’Farrell was caught out on this when in opposition on demanding the government invest in more rolling stock and he came out with some shonky figures.

    Unless O’Farrell is planning on spending billions, and that could be tens of billions, on vastly expanding the rail network then NSW is basically stuck with the current setup and small tinkerings around the edges plus maybe some short extensions and a single new line we won’t see for a decade or more. Meanwhile the tollways we continue at an unabated pace getting ever more expensive and driving more and more cars into smaller and smaller bottlenecks.

  50. So with Greiner getting his hands dirty I see they’re going to treat everything like a business again. It’s a State, not a business. A State is supposed to be a service provider, not a profit driven entity. Epic fail looming.

  51. Miglo, it seems that the Liberals distaste of Public Servants includes public services. If it doesn’t make money for their corporate cronies it ain’t worth doing.

  52. ‘You keep perplexing me el gordo. For a self professed lefty you sure go out of your way to defend the right.’

    I have the ability to stand on the fence.

    The NSW Conservatives have been in the wilderness for a very long time and everyone on that side of politics had given up on them. How many leaders did they go through?

    Now they are fresh and keen to make their mark by opening up the west with efficient transport, relieving pressure on the coastal cities, particularly the infrastructure nightmare in Sydney.

    Satellite cities….within an hour of the big smoke if you have to go.

  53. Agrarian socialist? That might explain some of the views… When are you lot gonna wake up to the fact that the Liberals have been screwing you over, just for your votes (and ministerial leather) for decades?

  54. With Abbott trying to hose down the Turnbull affair I’m guessing he may actually be adding a bit of spark to it. Abbott cannot open his mouth without attracting more controversy.

  55. The NSW conservatives were ruled by right wing Christian extremists who suppressed or got rid of any moderates, so they never deserved to be elected, even against a bad State government.

    Fresh and keen my arse. They only got in on the back of a campaign of not being Labor. As one political commentator stated if a chair had “I’m not Labor” on it and ran it would have won.

    “…make their mark by opening up the west with efficient transport, relieving pressure on the coastal cities,”
    They are doing none of those things because it is premised on money they don’t have, know they don’t have and O’Farrell is setting up excuses for what will be his failures. Also this isn’t O’Farrell policy but that of previous Labor governments and O’Farrell will end up going the same way as them and the previous Liberal government that Greiner led. By the way it was Greiner who destroyed those things you now state they will implement. Cuts so deep that the cost of just reinstating what he closed and ran down was enormous and possibly beyond a competent government let alone an incompetent one like second half Labor.

    Strange for someone who sits on the fence, though not that along ago you stated you were to the left of it, you certainly mostly favour the right side, I don’t think I’ve read of you sticking up for the left at all but you often come in to stick up when the right is criticised.

  56. Pip and Cu, I wonder if Tony Abbott has contacted Cory Bernardi’s friends at Menzies House and told them to lay off Malcolm? He won’t want Malcolm taking off to the cross benches. He might well not go alone, either. Even one less Coalition MP in the House of Reps would strengthen the government. No wonder Malcolm feels he can speak as freely as he wants.

    Aside from that what a wonderful example of Liberal Party unity! It makes Labor party factions look tame by comparison. Just think, if Malcolm does ever become Liberal Party leader Menzies House has done a good job of providing the ALP with a dirt file on him, all ready for the next election campaign.

  57. patriciawa, I’d love to know what Abbott has been saying to/about Turnbull in private??? There might be a pome in that 🙂

  58. One thing that Abbott forgot about Turnbull is that he isn’t easily fobbed off. Around about now Turnbull is thinking that he may as well go for it.

  59. el gordo, I do not know where you live but I can only surmise you do not travel much on the Central Coast and around Sydney.

    The satellite cities you are suggesting Mr. O’Farrell is going to build are already a fact of life. Go out to Narellan, Picton and around that area, you will see a massive growth over the last few years Travel north to Newcastle, but leave the free-way and take your self through Gosford and out to the Coast, you will find most of the land has been built on up to the northern end of Tuggerah Lakes.

    I am sure if you go west and north west of Sydney, you find the same situation.

    Call into some of the shopping centres and business parks and look at the increase in work on the coast.

    Maybe Mr. O’Farrell will take credit for what already exists. Just like his Education Minister sat proudly in a classroom full of computers and an interactive white board.

    It was a photo opportunity to make one of the most stupid comments a politician can make. He said he was going to spend the remainder of the BER money on computer and other equipment, not like the previous government. He added that empty halls are of little use.

    Sorry, the BER money was also spent on equipping those buildings. The money was spent on the equipment he was proudly sitting among.

    I know for a fact that towards the end of 2010, the government had promise a white board for each classroom.

    Comments from another source.

    The BER was not a school halls program, while many school halls were built – it was much more than that.
    My local public school is about to move into a a modern 2 story classroom block – built over old post war (ww2 not the Gulf) weatherboard buildings.
    Many, many of these buildings were desperately needed. It was reported at the start of the BER – (before it somehow went bad in the press narrative); that builders where shaking their heads at some schools when they saw the condition of the old buildings they were replacing.
    I agree many businesses should have failed – rather than being propped up, however – the construction and associated trades where not a cause of the financial crisis – banks like Macquarie, Goldman Sachs were.
    I don’t think there would have been any ‘creative’ benefit in letting the construction industry fail.
    Last point – most of the Govt debt is from falling tax receipts not the stimulus spending..

    Adam, virtually all the BER money in NSW was spent on getting rid of old demountables. If you would like to come and visit my son’s school and tell them to get out of their new classroom – complete with smartboards and fibre optics – and move back into the leaking tin sheds they use to have please do so. They would thoroughly enjoy listening to their NAPLAN-supporting teacher yell at an ignorant adult and not them for once.
    2. Greg Angelo

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/05/18/keynesian-trap-of-spending-what-of-construction-post-ber/
    .

  60. “Pip and Cu, I wonder if Tony Abbott has contacted Cory Bernardi’s friends at Menzies House and told them to lay off Malcolm?:

    Patricia, if he did, no one is listening.

  61. CU, school halls are one heck of a lot of use. That’s where to take children in small groups for remedial reading, that’s where the P&C meets, that’s where the school band practices, that’s how children can put on performances, that’s how schools raise funds, that where school assemblies can take place out.

  62. Min, I have not been to my grand daughters school at Picton since the hall was opened.

    I am looking forwarded to sitting in the warmth out of the rain and wind next time I go. What I have seen of the hall, I like.

  63. The conservative leanings of Abbott’s front bench didn’t just happen; it’s been years in the making. It’s not surprising to me that Malcolm Turnbull, a convert to Catholicism, but certainly not of the Abbott persuasion, has kicked over the traces.

    In N.S.W. :- Hard right tries to take over uni Liberal club
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hard-right-tries-to-take-over-uni-liberal-club-20110520-1ewq2.html

    FORCES loyal to the upper house MP David Clarke are being blamed for a chaotic bid to seize control of the Sydney University Liberal Club, in one of the first indications since the Liberals took power in NSW that the ”hard” right faction is moving to reassert its influence.

    After reading a few different articles it looks as if David Clarke who is a co-operator in Opus Dei and whose wife is in Opus Dei is very keen on a conservative, Christian Liberal Party.

    Mike Carlton wrote about Clarke in 2005.:-
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/ah-the-tears-of-crocodiles/2005/09/02/1125302739180.html

    Correction
    An article “Ah, the tears of crocodiles” in the weekend edition of September 3-4 should not have described Alex Hawke, the national president of the Young Liberals, as a “Jensenite Anglican”. Mr Hawke is not an Anglican and attends Hillsong Church.

    – September 13

    “I want to say to Lucy, the thoughts of the Liberal family are very much with her and her husband,” said the Prime Minister on Wednesday, all worried concern, doing his best to cheer up the Brogdens post facto.

    The Liberal family? The way it’s ripping into itself at the moment you would feel safer picnicking with the Milats in the Belanglo State Forest.
    and
    The chief Ugly is the little-known David Clarke, an upper house MP since 2003. This is not the genial David Clarke, Liberal Party moneybags, vigneron, rugby fan and chairman of the Macquarie Bank. It is the grimly ascetic David Clarke, lawyer, devout convert to Catholicism and an ardent supporter of the secretive Opus Dei sect sometimes thought of as the church in jackboots. An astute number cruncher, Clarke has quietly engineered the Uglies’ takeover of the Liberal Party NSW state machine, bent on meshing its gears with the crankshaft of the religious far right.

    Fast forward and the young Alex Hawke mentioned at the top is now in the Federal Parliament.
    How many more are there??
    The last piece is worth reading just to see the description of Sophie Panopoulos, now Mirabella.
    Start your day laughing, it makes happy endorphins:smile:

    In Afghanistan, the Taliban kept things humming along with a Ministry for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice. Its goons would race around Kabul arresting or stoning apostates whenever they felt like it, or chopping off the ears of people caught with cassette tape recorders and other instruments of Satan.

    The way things are going, I expect we will have a similar ministry here soon enough, dedicated to the preservation of Aussie values. The ideal minister would be Sophie Panopoulos, the excitable Victorian Liberal MP who was barking the other day that Muslim girls should be prohibited from wearing the hijab to school. She has also called Barnaby Joyce a political terrorist.

    I have never met Panopoulos, but there was something oddly familiar when I saw her barging around on television this week. She reminded me of Margaret Thatcher, which is to say bum in the air and chest thrust forward, like a constipated duck being taught to march by a drill sergeant.

    Don’t forget to smile 😀

  64. “Maybe Mr. O’Farrell will take credit for what already exists. Just like his Education Minister sat proudly in a classroom full of computers and an interactive white board. “

    Already happening Cu. Shelly Hancock on the South Coast has taking credit for a major upgrade to South Nowra Princes Hwy, a project that had already been approved and funded under the previous Labor government. We had the brochures of the plans with detailed maps on our staff room table many months before O’Farrell got elected. I’m surprised she didn’t take credit for the substantial Mt. Conjola realignment, but I guess that was completed before the Libs gained power.

    Let us also not forget that O’Farrell has cooked the books on the financial audit, making it out to be several billion worse than it really is and lying by saying the supposed additional deficit was hidden when even Standard & Poors had the actual deficit figure months before.

    For a man who said he was not Labor and would be honest and transparent he and his government certainly doing his best to be another second half Labor government. Nothing changes in NSW politics except the faces.

    ————————
    Pip. Thanks for doing all the hunting, it saved me chasing it all up again. Let us not forget David Clarke’s now deceased racist offsider Lyenko Urbanchich and the fact David is a member of Opus Dei.

    Using the Young Liberals Clarke organised ballot rigging and branch stacking to get rid of the NSW Liberal moderates, some who were very good like the then member for Hawksbury. One of Clarke’s chief instigators of running blank ballots was the young Alex Hawke, who you have mentioned. He is now touted as a future Liberal Party leader. Help us if he ever gets it.

    It was Clarke’s extreme religious right that were instrumental in attacking the moderate John Brogden and driving him to attempt suicide. It was Clarke and the religious right that were instrumental in causing the Liberals to be in the wilderness for so long.

    Has he gone or has he and the religious right been suppressed by O’Farrell as is being touted, not on you life. He and the religious right are still there and still influential.

    In February 2010, Clarke won preselection against David Elliott, the chief executive of the Civil Contractors Federation to ensure he can potentially serve on the New South Wales Legislative Council until 1 March 2019

  65. Mumble provides this interesting opinion. It sounds a bit like gossip but on the other hand if Mumble is confident enough in the opinion to link directly to it perhaps there is something in it. Below would then give a reasonable explanation as to Turnbull’s sudden decision to start an argument.

    DB
    Fri 20 May 11 (09:02am) Oh…..c’mon Max. Relax.
    Have come into some very interesting info in the last 12 hours. Second hand info but my sources are reliable I believe. Turnbull approached Abbott after the budget about replacing Hockey. Abbott told him he respected Turnbull’s skills however, given the state of affairs he did not want to upset the applecart, however, he would keep him in mind if there were to be a reshuffle in the future.
    Turnbull’s response was rather more open unfortunately. This will blow over rather quickly unless Turnbull decides to go out with a bang.
    My other info is that if Turnbull tried to challenge now, he’d probably get about 5 votes.

    http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/mumble/index.php/theaustralian/comments/oz_v_us_deficits/P50/#4338498

  66. Mobius, I first heard of David Clarke years ago, and his name kept popping up. Other zealous Conservatives that come to mind, are Cory Bernardi, Scott Morrison, Eric Abetz, Kevin Andrew, Louise Markus. Having just read the article below, the list grows. Tony Abbott says he’s never been in Opus Dei, but what about his mate Cardinal Pell?

    In God we trust
    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/11/1081621834807.html

    A bigger mystery, however, is the movement of God into the NSW Young Liberals. In this case, however, God wears not the toothy smile of a Pentecostal “happy clapper” but the dour face of the arch-conservative Catholic organisation, Opus Dei.

    Warrane College was established in 1971. It is a residential college affiliated to the University of NSW and owned by the not-for-profit Educational Development Association. Pastoral care for its 125 young men (women are not permitted past the ground floor) is “entrusted” to Opus Dei, a prelature of the Catholic Church.

    Warrane College is also the “home” address of about one-quarter of the membership of the Randwick/Coogee branch of the Young Liberals. Of 88 members enrolled in the Young Libs branch, 21 list the college or its post-office box as their address, according to a membership list seen by the Herald.

    One Young Liberal member, who described himself as a practising Christian and asked not to be named, said “significant numbers” of Opus Dei members had been signed up to the Randwick-Coogee branch in the lead-up to the June 30 cut-off last year. He describes the changes as a “takeover by the religious right of the Liberal Party”, whose “fundamentalism frightens me

  67. Don’t ever believe the NSW religious right is just a harmless faction consisting of a handful of insignificant political members.

    They have nothing less than the total changing of Australian society through political power on their minds. After they got rid of Brogden and had instilled their puppet in Debman they went into an election with the very lofty ambition of changing the NSW constitution to reflect “Christian values”, but this was their extreme view of Christian values. Of course homosexuality was to be outlawed under their constitution as just one extreme measure they wanted to bring in. It was only the ABC exposé of them and Liberal electorates being upset with the dumping of their popular moderate Liberal reps to be replaced by extremists that saw a backlash against the Libs and a feckless Labor win an increased majority.

    If the Libs had won power in NSW their plan was to use the same tactics to oust the moderates from other State Liberal parties and instil their extreme values in those States where they were successful, to eventually move into the Federal sphere. Alex Hawke is probably the first spearhead in that move.

  68. Mobius, “fundamentalism frightens me”.
    Four Corners covered this subject in 2006.http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2006/s1686673.htm

    and Australian Broadcasting Corporation

    FOUR CORNERS
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    Date: 27/06/2007

    Three prominent NSW Liberals have been suspended from the party following comments they made on Four Corners.
    The party’s NSW state executive outed former state president Michael Osborne for two years and former executive member Ken Henderson for five years. Both had voiced concerns about what they saw as the growing concentration of power of the Right faction and in particular powerbroker and Upper House member David Clarke.

  69. From the Climate Institute link put up by Bacchus:

    ‘….farming landscapes are, potentially, a big carbon sink.’

    I’ll make sure Abbott puts those few words in his election strategy.

  70. El gordo..I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings…

    Britain plans to halve emissions by 2027, while our politicians squabble over a 5 per cent cut.

    NO, YOU don’t have to live in a cave to tackle climate change. Just look at Britain, where the coalition government led by Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron this week bound itself to halve greenhouse gas emissions against 1990 levels by 2027 – the most ambitious target in the developed world.

    Read it and weep. As Australian politics sinks deeper into a sleazy mire, making progress impossible, dear old Blighty – amid a crippling recession and austerity cuts – is lighting a path to a clean economy.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/climate-change-model-just-look-at-old-blighty-20110520-1ewu3.html#ixzz1MwntaPMW

  71. Min, you have probably forgotten me, I was at the meeting with film maker David Bradbury.

  72. My bet is that Abbott has whispered in Hockey’s ear and told him that he can expect an easy handover. Hockey is a fool if he believes him. But wait a minute Hockey is a fool.

  73. “he’d probably get about 5 votes.”

    They could be five votes that are willing to go with him. Surely there is more decency than that in the Liberal Party.

  74. Catching up Turnbull had tried this play before. He has made threats and ended up not doing anything much at all, he went to the back benches and threatened to resigned but came back when Abbott blew the whistle for him. So far he’s nothing more than a bag of hot air. When Turnbull goes to the back benches again then I’ll believe his rhetoric.

  75. ‘Rising fuel and gas prices would cause them to increase by another 30 per cent over the next three years, Mr McIndoe said.’

    So, even he admits that it is fuel and gas that adds most to this rise?

    As to the actual Carbon Price adding to costs, it is the uncertainty which is adding more. So the libs renigging on their promise to a deal with the CPRS has arguably added more to cost of power than any actual price will.

    And who would ever think that one of the companies that will be hit by the Carbaon Price is going to argue against it. Defies belief doesn’t it?

  76. Which question should we be asking?
    What will it cost us or what is the price our descendants will pay.
    Keep in mind, we have a choice, they do not.

    What I finding amazing over the last week there is a suggestion, that it is not prudent for politicians to challenge the media.

    Does anyone believe that Mr. Brown, the Greens, and Labor for that matter will be treated any better for shutting up and take what the media dishes out.

    Can some one tell what puts the media above everything else in society? Where did they get the right to be a law unto themselves?

    Where is the outcry that any organization can threaten our democracy by threatening to get even with those who dare to disagree with them?

    If the media take unto themselves the right to support one side in politics, and put in place a government that suits them, they must be held accountable. In other words, if they insist on playing politics, not just reporting politics, they must be open to questioning and scrutiny, as all other parties in politics are.

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