A Reminder: The GFC…not “just another day”

Like many Australians, I’ve killed more than a few brain cells over the years in the pursuit of pleasure, due to self-medicating & easing stress.  However, my memory is still in pretty good working order. And I recall clearly the panic that shook Australia & many other countries in those first couple of years of the GFC (Global Financial Crisis). But it has become apparent to me that many voters, media analysts, and those on the opposite side of parliament from the Labor Party have significant memory loss.

In 2008 such comments as the following were widely cited: “Market conditions are the worst anyone in this industry can ever remember. I don’t think anyone has a recollection of a total disappearance in liquidity…There are billion of dollars worth of assets out there for which there is just no market.” Alain Grisay, chief executive officer of London-based F&C Asset Management Plc; Bloomberg News

In early 2009 the bad news continued:

 Friday, 27 Feb 2009

Dow Down 50% Since Peak, Major Indices Approach New Lows

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29428424/site/14081545

Tue Mar 10, 2009

45 percent of world’s wealth destroyed: Blackstone CEO

(Reuters) – Private equity company Blackstone Group LP (BX.N) CEO Stephen Schwarzman said on Tuesday that up to 45 percent of the world’s wealth has been destroyed by the global credit crisis.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE52966Z20090310

It’s all about investor & consumer perception. Optimistic perceptions  of economic stability and endless prosperity can suddenly shift to outright panic. We shifted from irrational exuberance to doom & gloom in a historical timeline heartbeat or two.

In the case of this household, like many others, we curbed retail spending and focused on debt reduction. Due to fears that teacher wages & conditions would be eaten into we prepared to reduce spending on PayTV, the Internet, mobile phone, birthdays, Xmas, restaurants and other areas that did not seem essential.

As unemployment grew across the globe…and bankruptcies…and the sense we were heading for a really rough road…I can recall the Labor Party’s push in early 09 to pass an economic stimulus plan feeling like the cavalry coming to the rescue.

The following is an example of the general sense of  negativity prior to the first stages of the economic stimulus…and the sense of hope that came with its introduction:

In the wake of a global recession, Australian tax payers will be getting a tax bonus payment from the government to help struggling low to middle income earners as well as encourage spending to get the economy flowing again. It is no surprise that everyone has decreased if not stopped spending with massive retrenchments happening globally and nationwide. Job uncertainty is definitely in the fore front of our minds.

New businesses are slow to come by and even managers have strict budgets to follow and are reluctant on committing to long term spending. This downward spiral is expected to continue throughout 2009 and many fear the worst is yet to come.

(Australia’s Economic Stimulus Package – Tax Bonus Payment

Posted by Danny  on dannytalk .com March – 5 – 2009)

And this from business group leaders:.

The Australian Industry Group chief executive, Heather Ridout, said the package would help boost consumer and business confidence and spending

Ridout “Senators have today done the right thing,” she said. “Confidence is at very low levels and the package will be important in addressing this, and in providing practical and sustained support for economic activity.”

The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry chief executive, Peter Anderson, said the package would unlock infrastructure spending, provide incentives for business to invest in new plant and equipment and add a stimulus to household incomes.

“While there is always a risk to the budget in a package of this type, and while legitimate scope existed to debate the mix of measures, today’s decision is the right one for these extraordinary times. Even though there can be no guarantees we will not fall into recession, it will help steer the Australian economy through an unprecedented economic buffeting and, together with interest rate reductions, gives us the best prospect of not doing so,” he said.

($42b stimulus package: Rudd cuts a deal with Xenophon , PHILLIP HUDSON

February 13, 2009…SMH .com)

 As of March 2010 the unemployment levels were 5.3 percent going by The Australian Bureau of Statistics official statistics.

MORE FROM WIKIPEDIA:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932010

Financial crisis of 2007–2010

Rapid increases in a number of commodity prices followed the collapse in the housing bubble. The price of oil nearly tripled from $50 to $147 from early 2007 to 2008, before plunging as the financial crisis began to take hold in late 2008

An increase in oil prices tends to divert a larger share of consumer spending into gasoline, which creates downward pressure on economic growth in oil importing countries, as wealth flows to oil-producing states.

In testimony before the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation on June 3, 2008, former director of the CFTC Division of Trading & Markets (responsible for enforcement) Michael Greenberger specifically named the Atlanta-based IntercontinentalExchange, founded by Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and British Petroleum as playing a key role in speculative run-up of oil futures prices traded off the regulated futures exchanges in London and New York.

then the price of nickel imploded from around $51,000 /£36,700 per metric ton in the May of 2007 to about $11,550/£8,300 per metric ton in the January of 2009. Prices were only just starting to recover as of January 2010, but most of Australia’s nickel mines had gone bankrupt by then.

The International Monetary Fund estimated that large U.S. and European banks lost more than $1 trillion on toxic assets and from bad loans from January 2007 to September 2009. These losses are expected to top $2.8 trillion from 2007-10. U.S. banks losses were forecast to hit $1 trillion and European bank losses will reach $1.6 trillion. The IMF estimated that U.S. banks were about 60 percent through their losses, but British and eurozone banks only 40 percent.

One of the first victims was Northern Rock, a medium-sized British bank. The highly leveraged nature of its business led the bank to request security from the Bank of England. This in turn led to investor panic and a bank run in mid-September 2007.

Initially the companies affected were those directly involved in home construction and mortgage lending such as Northern Rock and Countrywide Financial, as they could no longer obtain financing through the credit markets.

Over 100 mortgage lenders went bankrupt during 2007 and 2008. Concerns that investment bank Bear Stearns would collapse in March 2008 resulted in its fire-sale to JP Morgan Chase. The crisis hit its peak in September and October 2008.

Several major institutions either failed, were acquired under duress, or were subject to government takeover. These included Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Washington Mutual, Wachovia, and AIG.

During September 2008, the crisis hit its most critical stage. There was the equivalent of a bank run on the money market mutual funds, which frequently invest in commercial paper issued by corporations to fund their operations and payrolls. Withdrawal from money markets were $144.5 billion during one week, versus $7.1 billion the week prior. This interrupted the ability of corporations to rollover (replace) their short-term debt.

In a dramatic meeting on September 18, 2008, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke met with key legislators to propose a $700 billion emergency bailout. Bernanke reportedly told them: “If we don’t do this, we may not have an economy on Monday.” The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which implemented the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), was signed into law on October 3, 2008.

Economist Paul Krugman and U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner explain the credit crisis via the implosion of the shadow banking system, which had grown to nearly equal the importance of the traditional commercial banking sector as described above. Without the ability to obtain investor funds in exchange for most types of mortgage-backed securities or asset-backed commercial paper, investment banks and other entities in the shadow banking system could not provide funds to mortgage firms and other corporations.

This meant that nearly one-third of the U.S. lending mechanism was frozen and continued to be frozen into June 2009. According to the Brookings Institution, the traditional banking system does not have the capital to close this gap as of June 2009: “It would take a number of years of strong profits to generate sufficient capital to support that additional lending volume.” The authors also indicate that some forms of securitization are “likely to vanish forever, having been an artifact of excessively loose credit conditions.” While traditional banks have raised their lending standards, it was the collapse of the shadow banking system that is the primary cause of the reduction in funds available for borrowing

There is a direct relationship between declines in wealth, and declines in consumption and business investment, which along with government spending represent the economic engine.

Between June 2007 and November 2008, Americans lost an estimated average of more than a quarter of their collective net worth.

By early November 2008, a broad U.S. stock index the S&P 500, was down 45 percent from its 2007 high.

Housing prices had dropped 20% from their 2006 peak, with futures markets signaling a 30-35% potential drop.

Total home equity in the United States, which was valued at $13 trillion at its peak in 2006, had dropped to $8.8 trillion by mid-2008 and was still falling in late 2008.

Total retirement assets, Americans’ second-largest household asset, dropped by 22 percent, from $10.3 trillion in 2006 to $8 trillion in mid-2008.

During the same period, savings and investment assets (apart from retirement savings) lost $1.2 trillion and pension assets lost $1.3 trillion.

Taken together, these losses total a staggering $8.3 trillion.

Since peaking in the second quarter of 2007, household wealth is down $14 trillion.

European contagion
The crisis rapidly developed and spread into a global economic shock, resulting in a number of European bank failures, declines in various stock indexes, and large reductions in the market value of equities and commodities.

Both MBS and CDO were purchased by corporate and institutional investors globally. Derivatives such as credit default swaps also increased the linkage between large financial institutions. Moreover, the de-leveraging of financial institutions, as assets were sold to pay back obligations that could not be refinanced in frozen credit markets, further accelerated the solvency crisis and caused a decrease in international trade.

World political leaders, national ministers of finance and central bank directors coordinated their efforts to reduce fears, but the crisis continued. At the end of October 2008 a currency crisis developed, with investors transferring vast capital resources into stronger currencies such as the yen, the dollar and the Swiss franc, leading many emergent economies to seek aid from the International Monetary Fund

The economic crisis in Iceland involved all three of the country’s major banks. Relative to the size of its economy, Iceland’s banking collapse is the largest suffered by any country in economic history.

By March 2009, the Arab world had lost $3 trillion due to the crisis.

In April 2009, unemployment in the Arab world is said to be a ‘time bomb’.

In May 2009, the United Nations reported a drop in foreign investment in Middle-Eastern economies due to a slower rise in demand for oil.

In June 2009, the World Bank predicted a tough year for Arab states. In September 2009, Arab banks reported losses of nearly $4 billion since the onset of the global financial crisis.

U.S. economic effects

Real gross domestic product — the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States — decreased at an annual rate of approximately 6 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008 and first quarter of 2009, versus activity in the year-ago periods.

The U.S. unemployment rate increased to 10.1% by October 2009, the highest rate since 1983 and roughly twice the pre-crisis rate.

The average hours per work week declined to 33, the lowest level since the government began collecting the data in 1964.

This credit freeze brought the global financial system to the brink of collapse.

The response of the U.S. Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank, and other central banks was immediate and dramatic. During the last quarter of 2008, these central banks purchased US$2.5 trillion of government debt and troubled private assets from banks.

This was the largest liquidity injection into the credit market, and the largest monetary policy action, in world history.

The governments of European nations and the USA also raised the capital of their national banking systems by $1.5 trillion, by purchasing newly issued preferred stock in their major banks

(wikipedia)
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Just another day for some.

Some enjoy rewriting history. And believe that “global warming” is crap. And that Saddam had WMDs.

Dark Ages anyone?

N’… (A reworking of my post ‘What would they have done?’)

32 comments on “A Reminder: The GFC…not “just another day”

  1. Recommended reading:

    Would Tony Abbott really be stupid enough to trash the NBN?

    by ad Astra at The Political Sword:

    http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/

    The most significant hindrance to the NBN is the paucity of imagination of those who offer an opinion. There are applications of this super-fast technology that have not even been thought of.

    Time and again inventions have been discounted by the unimaginative, such as the US army general who, early last century, said he couldn’t see a place for the new-fangled airplane in warfare. While watching the first episode of Return to Cranford on ABC TV, it was fascinating to see the resistance of the folk in that small village to the advent of the steam train and a rail line coming to their village. They were not only fearful about its effect, but skeptical about its value too.

    It reminded me of the comments of Nick Minchin and Tony Abbott, who says he will offer a ‘no frills’ version of broadband, not this flash expensive thing called an NBN.

    So let’s leave the unimaginative to their narrow thinking and expand our minds to imagine what the NBN can do, might do.

    ———
    It’s a MUST read.

    N’

  2. More reading…this link from Lyn at the Political Sword:

    Up in the air: campaign hits the halfway

    Mark MARK DAVIS AND JACQUELINE MALEY, SMH August 4, 2010

    Then Abbott’s Freudian (?) slip-up in referring to Labor as the “former government” was also frowned upon by Nine’s political editor Laurie Oakes.

    Oakes found more signs of hubris in the Liberal camp in a tweet by NSW
    Liberal MP Alex Hawke on the opinion polls which declared: “I love the small of Newspoll in the morning.”

    Then more on the manouevring by Tony Abbott to avoid Julia Gillard’s challenge to a second debate, leading Oakes to conclude that Abbott now sees himself as the frontrunner and is trying to avoid the risk a debate would present.

    http://www.smh.com.au/…/…way-mark-20100804-115qs.html

    A reminder of Liberal Alex Hawke:

    In making his First Speech in the House of Representatives, Hawke described his political beliefs as follows: “My brand of Liberalism is more interested in what we support than what we oppose. I want not just to resist those things that are harmful but to support those things that are good. I derive no satisfaction from opposing the growth of state sponsored welfare if I cannot fan the spark of family, enterprise, self-reliance and human dignity”,

    for which he was praised by Liberal politician Tony Abbott for “a splendid maiden speech which managed to combine a robust expression of political philosophy and a hymn of praise to his splendid electorate.”

    In 2005, Hawke made it known that he believes the Liberal Party of Australia to be the home of conservative values, and has claimed that “Nobody joins the Liberal Party to be left-wing. If you stand for compulsory student unionism, drug-injecting rooms and lowering the [homosexual] age of consent, you can choose the Greens, Labor or the Democrats.”

    In response to comments that that Liberal Party is a “broad church”, Hawke has stated “People say it’s a broad church. My response to that is you’ve got to agree it’s a church. It’s not a brothel, for instance.

    The Sydney Morning Herald reported his comments when he was younger, after his 2007 preselection, that he thinks Australia will move increasingly towards an American model of conservatism and that:

    “The two greatest forces for good in human history are capitalism and Christianity, and when they’re blended it’s a very powerful duo”.

    (wikipedia)

    ———-
    Yep, no other great forces out there. Gandhi…& them Buddhists…& many other peace-making types obviously believed in things that just don’t make the grade for Alex.

    Another NSW right-wing wonder boy.

    What a beaut future I see in store for us.

    N’

  3. By way of Kim at Lavartus Prodeo:

    Kevin Rudd’s Radio National interview with Phillip Adams

    http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/08/04/kevin-rudds-radio-national-interview-with-phillip-adams/#comment-153841

    KEVIN RUDD: Well, the bottom line is I can’t just stand idly by at the prospect of Mr Abbott sliding into office by default. I mean elections are really important things Phillip. They’re about who governs the country affects the lives, in a very direct way of every one of your listeners, every family in the country, every business in the country, every community, every school, every hospital . I mean we’ve got too much at stake here, we spent a long time keeping the economy strong despite the global financial crisis, we’ve come through that. Mr Abbott opposed those measures. We spent a long time getting a deal for the future funding of our hospitals in place – Mr Abbott opposed that. We spent a long time negotiating a national broadband network in place and Mr Abbott says he’s going to tear that down. And I think we do know where he stands on the reintroduction of Workchoices. So there’s big stuff at stake for the country and I suppose my message more broadly is, the future of KM Rudd is one thing, the future of the country is actually much bigger because it affects 22 million of us, not just one.

    N’

  4. My whinge for the day

    I recall after the initial stimulus had been spent and everybody was so wrapped about their free cash and that we were doing well, that this would come back to haunt the governemnt. I knew the opposition would carp on about debt and Labors supposed economic management. And thought tht this would make the lection not as simple as thought.

    What I did not foresee was the total lack of moral judgement, or simple journalistic intergrity, in the way that OUR media ran the opposition line unquestioningly. The amount of articles produced stating that Australia would have escaped the GFC unscathed without any action whatsoever was simply ridiculous, and the arguments either very week, or simply wrong, such as mis-quotong Glenn Stevens(??? I think it was) comments about the Northern and Southern Hemisphere situation. On top of that, the rabid and totally innacurate reporting into the Insulation ‘debacle’ and the BER ‘rorts’ has been just sickening to witness, and makes me wonder just what we have done to deserve such blatantly biased and totally innacurate journalism as the norm. This was all topped of by having the first two weeks of the election campaign highjacked by a media who wants to do nothing more than promote gossip and hearsay as evidentiary fact, over simply reporting what is happening on hte campaign trail. Whilst there was not a lot happening, and the election began in a rather pedestrian manner, then if that is what is happening, that is what should be reported. Instead, the media created an entire dialog out of rumours and gossip, and in the process, shred the Labor campaign into tatters.

    It has been good to see Julia come out swinging, and even more reassuring to hear the comments from Rudd this morning. While I still feel confident of a Labor victory if the reporting remains as it has this week, I don’t hold out much hope. I think we will see a descent into fear mongering and smearing the likes that we haven’t witnessed before. And that will be before the opposition even have a chance to present their case. And the re-emergence of ‘who is the Labor leaker?’ as Rudd deniew it is him.

  5. Just watching Lateline and Tony Jones telling Albanese that Rudd has taken the spotlight from Julia, and no matter how much Albanese tries to get the topic back onto policies and the election (you know, those minor little things)

    There is only one reason Rudd has stolen the limelight, and that is because the media WANTS him to. They want to talk about that, rather than issues. And so we get to hear that, not issues.

    Sorry, wasn’t this about the GFC? Rudd and leaks has even overshadowed that lol

  6. The election reminds me of TV drama shows that run out of plot – they hand the scripts over to the soap opera writers and develop “relationships” (’cause everyone relates to them) … they destroyed The Bill, Sea Patrol mightn’t be too bad but the “personal relationships” on small navy ship just get in the way …

    … seems the journos go to the same school these days …

  7. Hi Tom. The amount of older people I hear moaning that their children and their grandchildren will be paying off the stimulus package really does annoy me.

    Not once have I heard their children or their grandchildren complain.

    Somebody needs to remind these people that we’ll be back in a surplus in 3 years, so what’s their problem?

  8. I think their problem is that they are convinced Juia hates old people, and that Labor will make it worst for them.

    Ignore the simple fact that Labor were the ones who finally gave the pension a decent increase after years of stagnation under the libs.

  9. A bit of the problem is that Labor made it look all too easy. Put $s into the pockets of low and middle income earners who will spend it locally rather than adding to the os holiday fund, support shovel ready jobs employing local small and medium businesses. And bob’s yer uncle, recession avoided, massive layoffs avoided. The only problem is because it looked all too easy that people are denying that there was ever a GFC. And if there was, well it didn’t happen in Australia.

  10. The only problem is because it looked all too easy that people are denying that there was ever a GFC. And if there was, well it didn’t happen in Australia.

    Absolutely spot on. Your finger is on the pulse, Min.

  11. Joe Hockey and Neil for a start.

    It does amuse me that there are Liberal voting people in this country who admonish the government for not seeing the GFC on the horizon and then turn around and say it was never really there.

  12. Miglo, Here in Qld, it’s the damaged that the Beattie/Bligh Government have inflicted on the voters in this State, the over migration, the lack of infrastructure to cater for demand, the selling off of part of the electric grid and seeing a massive hike in the price of electricity, new driving licence fees, the increase in tolls, the intending sale of highly profitable assets to overseas interest, these alone will cause a lot of voters to have second thoughts about voting for Labor in the Federal Elections.

  13. Yes Crowey, it’s a pity that some voters can’t draw the line between State and Federal politics.

    Many years ago, while Whitlam was PM and on the nose with voters, the Dunstan Government was facing a huge loss in SA. A few days before the elction Dunstan did what he publicly could to distance himself from Whitlam and he pulled off a surprise victory.

  14. G’day N’ and Miglo

    Good article on the ‘The Invisible Shadow’

    http://www.waddayano.org/blog/2010/08/the_invisible_shadow.php

    “Ye Gods!! A thought even more horrifying than having a mad monk at the helm is an invisible exchequer in the counting house. Thank goodness the real economic steering position rests with the RBA & Public Service”.

    There will be no PS. Ken Henry must be cleaning out his desk as we speak.

  15. “The only problem is because it looked all too easy that people are denying that there was ever a GFC. And if there was, well it didn’t happen in Australia.”

    Too true Min. It was the government & builders & public servants & construction groups & Ken Henry & some charities & some in the Reserve Bank & the more decent bank managers and their staff who put in the hard yards to help get us thru the that first stage of the GFC.

    Far too many have taken it for granted…but there are many out there who realise the extent of that disaster and realise how close we got to collapse of asset/house prices, much higher unemployment & a general feeling of malaise that has been pervasive in America, the UK & a number of European & other nations.

    Some mistakes were made in the implementation and regulation process as stimulus schemes rolled out…but considering the giant wave that was striking us & the need for urgent action it is absurd to just focus on waste…as economist joseph Stiglitz said:

    I did actually study quite a bit the Australian package, and my impression was that it was the best – one of the best-designed of all the advanced industrial countries. When the crisis struck, you have to understand no-one was sure how deep, how long it would be. There was that moment of panic. Rightfully so, because the whole financial system was on the verge of collapse. In that context, what you need to act is decisively. If you don’t act decisively, you could get the collapse. It’s a one-sided risk.

    If you hadn’t spent the money, there would have been waste. The waste would have been the fact that the economy would have been weak, there would have been a gap between what the economy could have produced and what it actually produced – that’s waste. You would have had high unemployment, you would have had capital assets not fully utilised – that’s waste. So your choice was one form of waste verses another form of waste. And so it’s a judgment of what is the way to minimise the waste. No perfection here. And what your government did was exactly right. So, Australia had the shortest and shallowest of the downturns of the advanced industrial countries. And, ah, your recovery actually preceded the – in some sense, China. So there was a sense in which you can’t just say Australia recovered because of China. Your preventive action, you might say pre-emptive action, prevented the downturn while things got turned around in Asia, and they still have not gotten turned around in Europe and America.

    I just hope I’ve been able to jog a few memories, remind people in Australia of how serious & grave the threat was…

    and that we should be thankful that we had a Labor government under the “steady hands” & “quick thinking minds” of the likes of Rudd, Gillard, Swan, Tanner, Bowen, Albanese, Roxon & many other ministers…and Ken Henry & the Reserve Bank…to get us thru this first stage of the GFC…

    so people can now spend time playing w/ their kids, going to movies, playing computer games, going to the beach, going shopping, looking after parents/grandparents…

    rather than selling off their houses cheap to the wealthy…and searching for jobs…food…somewhere to live…closing up their businesses…having to start all over again…

    for if we had a Coalition in at that time I can guarantee you the WorkChoices sword would’ve been used mercilessly…

    and public services cut…public servants wages & many others wages frozen or lowered…

    and the unemployment lines would’ve been horrendous…

    the race & Muslim-bating going full-bore to distract from the malaise…

    and top end tax cuts.

    N’

  16. Too true Min. It was the government & builders & public servants & construction groups & Ken Henry & some charities & some in the Reserve Bank & the more decent bank managers and their staff who put in the hard yards to help get us thru the that first stage of the GFC.

    Far too many have taken it for granted…

    Aint that the truth. And if some haven’t taken it for granted they have been ignorant to the efforts from people in all walks of life who have done their bit to see us through the crisis.

  17. And Miglo, haven’t the selfish types like Gerry Harvey of Harvey Norman, the Coles CEO & Twiggy Forest taken the stimulus & the efforts for granted?

    Some think only of their own self-interest and of their major shareholders.

    They sicken me.

    Great to see Ruddy back. All fired up & speaking to TRUTH.

    It’s got this QLDer all fired up. 🙂

    Now that’s one family man w/ a love for Christianity that I can handle.

    N’

  18. G’day Valerie. Thnx for the link.

    “Sloppy Joe” is indeed a worry. The idea that this man who comes across like the shonkiest of 2nd-hand car salesmen is going to have his hands on the wheel of our great & complex economy is highly disturbing.

    N’

  19. And Migs @ 4.32, agreed Nas’s comment says it precisely. It was small and medium businesses who got us through the GFC hardly scathed, no thank yous to those fine folk. And where are the billionaires? Down town waving pre-printed placards just because they might have to pay more tax.

  20. Min, Hockey was abysmal on The Drum when it came to economics. Whereas, Stephen Long the economic correspondent/analyst was brilliant…so articulate & in-tune w/ what occurred during the GST & why it needed to be responded to in such a matter.

    I’ve always respected Long’s analysis of economic events on Lateline. He really took Hockey to task. And like Long I agree that the RBA brought down rates too fast…not letting the stimulus, building programs & home grants do their proper job. Even tho they were highly successful. But I doubt house prices would’ve soared as much if the RBA had been slightly more cautious…and by having to put them up again so fast they ripped money out of people’s pockets that was needed for the retail & domestic tourism sector.

    If the Coalition were in I imagine the rates would’ve gone much lower & tax cuts & WorkChoices would’ve been used…and we would’ve ended up in the same hole that Bush put America into that Obama is trying to dig them out of now.

    And typically Hockey cites Milton Friedman as an economist he respects…but not Stiglitz who has been so on top of the GFC & Iraq War expenditure…whereas Friedman was the guru for the Neo-CONS & free-marketeers who helped bring us the GFC & the Iraq FIASCO:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman

    BTW, what was w/ that sycophantic greeting to Hockey by host Annabel Crabb? Can she be balanced?

    N’

  21. The tax bonus, nas’. I’d forgotten that was what it was called, but I remember the snivelling from the Libtards and their cheerleaders as they snatched the money and ran.

    I didn’t see the significance until this post. Don’t the Libtard’s and their cheerleaders love tax bonuses and tax cuts?

    In fact, tax cuts was Trunchbull’s only response to the GFC.

    I also can’t understand why the government isn’t talking up NBN and all the advantages it will bring to the country. I understand business is keen on it because of its myriad advantages. And I want it.

    Ads could be focus on NBN as the way forward to the future, compared with the medieval internet service the Libtards want which will drag us backwards.

    I think their problem is that they are convinced Juia hates old people, and that Labor will make it worst for them.

    Ignore the simple fact that Labor were the ones who finally gave the pension a decent increase after years of stagnation under the libs.

    Yes Tom R, these people have pretty short memories indeed. I well remember the whinging and whining and the idiotic marches even though the government had doubled their utilities allowances and their pensions were increased, the ungrateful gits..

    In 11+ years of Rodent Rule they’d never been so well treated and now the old fools want to vote for an idiot who will kick them in the teeth. Serve them right.

    Min @11.45am. How do you do it? Short and to the point, you’ve nailed it.

    Some mistakes were made in the implementation and regulation process as stimulus schemes rolled out…

    Right nas’ because they had to do it quickly. Without the GFC, they would have had more time to plan and implement the programs, probably over a 5 year period. As it was they did a very good job to get done what they did.

    It’s a disgrace that the Libtards and their shills in the media destroyed the insulation program and have done their best to destroy the BER. IMO, they have committed a crime against this nation bordering on treason.

    I also feel very sorry that Peter Garrett’s reputation was hurt in this dishonest process. Another one too honest for his own good.

  22. “It does amuse me that there are Liberal voting people in this country who admonish the government for not seeing the GFC on the horizon”

    Which Libs have said that?? I do not think anybody saw it coming.

    I have made the point that the GFC may have been a mainly northern hemisphere thing and because of the good work of the Howard govt our banks were in good shape and so not exposed to the sub-prime crisis. Unlike the previous Labor administration who deregulated the banks and a number of them went bankrupt.

  23. Which Libs have said that?? I do not think anybody saw it coming.

    Neil, hasn’t Peter Costello said that he saw it coming and prepared Australia for it?

    But he was probably lying, so maybe you’re right after all.

  24. Yea, costello saw it coming, from the wrong direction lol

    He thought China was going to bring the ‘tsunami’.

    How wrong can one person be? (I’m not including neil in this contest, as that would be unfair to the others)

  25. Yes Tom, in one article I found last night Costello said that he starting preparing for it in 2004.

    How insightful can one man be?

    I might see if he can provide me with the next 6 Melbourne Cup winners.

  26. I’ve always been bemused that, if he foresaw this coming so well, why did he continually push to have people put there savings into personal super, which copped a hamering in the crisis, yet refused to up the employee contributions into the funds that were not so exposed to those risks?

    I also saw a show the other night going on about how little return ‘Keatings’ super is providing. The reason, the fees and charges by the numerous shonks and operators out there.

    Now, wasn’t costello the one who opened the employee contributions to these very shonks, that were not allowed to when Keating first implemented the plan. And yet it was all Keatings failure according to the story, not a mention of the changes made by costello.

    Our fine media reporting parts of the story again.

  27. Yea, costello saw it coming, from the wrong direction lol He thought China was going to bring the ‘tsunami’.

    Indeed Tom.

    Look out for the tsunami, says Costello

    Jessica Irvine and Peter Hartcher

    October 26, 2007

    THE Treasurer, Peter Costello, has warned of a “huge tsunami” set to engulf global financial markets, with China as its epicentre

    In his first newspaper interview of the campaign, Mr Costello predicted the US economy would weaken in the wake of its subprime mortgage meltdown, and said the breakneck pace of Chinese growth could not continue.

    At some stage, likely to coincide with a move to a floating exchange rate, the Chinese economy would unleash even greater instability on global markets than the US had.

    “That will be a wild ride when that happens,” he said. “That will set off a huge tsunami that will go through world financial markets.”

    (SMH)

    Perhaps John Howard last night was apologising for Mr. hammock economy’s most reassuring & confidence-boosting comments about China in 2007?

    🙂

    N’

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