“You will not be getting what you got on that boat for”

This clip shows Scott Morrison addressing detainees on Nauru just over a week ago. It was taken from local Nauruan TV. There’s not much I can say except the man is scum and the thought of him being a Minister in the government that runs this country is sickening.

57 comments on ““You will not be getting what you got on that boat for”

  1. People, do you not understand what people smuggling is? Greens party would happily support the financial activities of international crime syndicates. Country shopping for asylum seeking is illegal. Australia is actively seeking out refugee camps and bring families to live in Australia and eventually become naturalised as Australian citizens. I agree with Scott Morrison.

    All these uninformed people, such as the person who posted this video (and their unintelligent comment) make me sick!

  2. WR – comment on Auswitz is not only stupid but offensive.
    There is no attempt to eliminate an ethnic group.
    Scott Morrison stated very upfront what will happen.
    Unlike his predecessor Tony Whathis name.The ditherer.
    Pure and simple ‘ illegals don’t come’
    Just what we have always wanted , still love my legal foreign wife.

  3. People, do you not understand what people smuggling is? Greens party would happily support the financial activities of international crime syndicates. Country shopping is illegal (entering Australia without a valid visa). Australia is actively seeking out refugee camps and bring families to live in Australia and eventually become naturalised as Australian citizens. I agree with Scott Morrison.

    All these uninformed people, such as the person who posted this video (and their unintelligent comment) make me sick!

    WAKE THE FUCK UP… USE YOUR BRAINS AND NOT YOUR EMOTIONS… Allowing these people to enter Australia will encourage more overcrowded, dangerous, life threatening boats. The price each family pays to a crime syndicate, is more than what it would cost them to enter Australia legally… If the government would reject someone’s application at an Australian Embassy for asylum, they would reject them because their application wasn’t genuine, therefore arriving on boats would be a way to subvert the Australian system.

    DON’T SUPPORT HUMAN TRAFFICKING

  4. “The price each family pays to a crime syndicate, is more than what it would cost them to enter Australia legally… If the government would reject someone’s application at an Australian Embassy for asylum, they would reject them because their application wasn’t genuine, therefore arriving on boats would be a way to subvert the Australian system.”

    Citizens of many countries are not able to come to Australia to seek asylum in the manner that you suggest because Australia does not allow this to happen through a sophisticated system of visa regimes, carrier sanctions and interception programs.

    Mark, I suggest you do a little more research into the manner in which many governments (not only Australia) employ measures that deliberately frustrate the right to seek asylum before making assumptions such as those you have made above.

  5. Mark Laurence Piggott, people smuggling is illegal but seeking asylum isn’t. Are you clever enough to discern the difference? The Indonesians have now told that racist/sexist/homophobic disciple of George Pell’s to take a flying leap – that they will no longer be a party to his illegal crimes against genuine asylum seekers.

    *These people* are in the vast majority genuine refugees and our Immigration people/health people are doing a wonderful job as is our Navy and Customs.

    Actually, Mark LP the next time you visit your dentist or doctor, Dr. Ng ask him how his parents arrived in Australia..

  6. Steve, that one reminds me of Afghan Christian asylum seekers – why didn’t they just trot along to the local embassy and ask for a visa…duh, because their government wouldn’t issue one. It breaks your heart doesn’t it as to the stupidity of some people. Example, just go and get a visa you Falun Gong, Dharma Wheel practice or other persecuted minority group. Yes massa, they hand’em out with the next truck load of rice…

  7. Exactly, Carol – if it were as simple as turning up to the local embassy or hopping on a plane people wouldn’t be risking their lives and life savings on dangerous boats. But somehow that point gets missed among all the rhetoric surrounding illegals and queue jumpers.

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  9. Laurence Bigot: we signed a United Nations convention on refugees: when people are flleing persecution as in Sri Lanka, they have a right to have their case heard, they have the human right not to be pre-judged as human trafficing; otherwise, we are complicit with the regimes that persecute minorities and we have blood on our hands. This is not being emotional, just being a good world citizen.

  10. after just a few seconds, i have had enough of that arsehole ! and anybody who agrees with him must also be an arsehole !

  11. Most of the asylum seekers are Christians or non-Muslims. One of the reasons they don’t stay in the refugee camps to get processed is because they are persecuted in them, and indeed many don’t even go to the camps because of that.

    Then there is the falsehood of order in the camps, which is the reason we should only allow refugees from them and reject all boat people out of hand.

    Fact is that many who get to the assessment centres do so through corruption, threats of violence and by perpetrating violence on other refugees who can then leave the camps to start the extremely hazardous journey that leads to boats. So it is the case that those refugees we allow in through the orderly process have a greater chance of being undesirable than those who come by boat.

  12. I am overwhelmed by the compassion and the concern for those seeking asylum. I am proud of the welcome and assistance we offer these traumatised people. We are a lucky and wealthy nation who will speak out against human rights abuses without fear or favour.

    As part of our responsibility as a global citizen, we will be increasing our humanitarian intake, speeding up our processing of refugee claims, increasing foreign aid, and leading the way in action on climate change and a clean energy future,

    We will assist our neighbours and work together with them on regional co-operation and mutual beneficial arrangements.

    Australia is proud to contribute to the global effort of making this world a better place for all people.

    or not…….

  13. Migs, I’ve had no drinks, but will not respond to the €#&%. Disingenuous &$£@$ should go and £#€¥ himself, and more importantly, never despoil your fine blog ever again. 👿

    ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE NOT ILLEGALS!

  14. I think a very fair assessment of what it takes to stop illegal entry, where is the problem with what he said, other than the prejudice of those watching. Actually listen and rationally analyse it. I am glad whoever on the Guardian informed me of this interview, it should be viewed more widely.

  15. The UN Refugee Convention (to which Australia is a signatory) recognises that refugees have a lawful right to enter a country for the purposes of seeking asylum, regardless of how they arrive or whether they hold valid travel or identity documents. The Convention stipulates that what would usually be considered as illegal actions (e.g. entering a country without a visa) should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking asylum. This means that it is incorrect to refer to asylum seekers who arrive without authorisation as “illegal”, as they in fact have a lawful right to enter Australia to seek asylum.

    In line with our obligations under the Convention, Australian law also permits unauthorised entry into Australia for the purposes of seeking asylum. Asylum seekers do not break any Australian laws simply by arriving on boats or without authorisation.

  16. This low-lfe currently pretending to be an immigration minister is making the redneck bigots more bold by continually demonising asylum seekers as “illegals”.

    May he rot in whatever version of hell his religion believes in! (Probably losing all of his money – those Hillsong happy clappers are into “wealth ministry” aren’t they?)

  17. Actual “illegals” – those who have arrived by plane and have overstayed their visas – far outnumber asylum seekers arriving by boat. Why are these people (and those aiding and abetting them) not being pursued with similar fervour? I want our government to act with compassion and common sense and not uphold “cruel but necessary” policies. Asylum seekers are not footballs to be kicked around and used to put points on a political scoreboard. Stopping the boats does nothing to address the problem of refugees at all. It just moves it off our doorstep for someone else to deal with. Asylum seekers are not illegal. Visa overstayers are illegals.

    According to the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, 85 to 90% of “boat people” are found to be genuine refugees. Along with our attempts to stop the boats why are we not offering safer alternatives to these people?

    The Public Health Association Australia has published a document debunking many myths associated with asylum seekers. I found it very informative.

    http://www.phaa.net.au/documents/int_health_asylum_seekers.pdf
    http://www.phaa.net.au/documents/int_health_asylum_seekers_2.pdf

  18. Scott Morrison, Mark Piggott, Tony Abbott.

    Morally bankrupt scum of the earth. I feel for your families and friends that ever believed that you were decent people. Morrison and Abbott should be in jail.

  19. Differentiate between an illegal immigrant and an asylum seeker. Under the UN charter, countries are obliged to offer asylum to those who seek it. Illegal immigrants are a different story entirely. Educate yourselves before posting nasty comments about others who obviously have some empathy with these poor people. But for an accident of birth, it could be you.

  20. Sue, that is great information, thanks. All the things that I ‘sort of’ know but are difficult to remember when faced with a bigot!!

  21. Good interview, nice to see a politician telling it like it is. Would like to see a more humane response, but at least the boats have slowed down

  22. What is an asylum seeker? We are looking at people from Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon who are fleeing because they state they have been persecuted. Persecuted by whom? For the most part the chaos in their countries have been caused by both Shia and Sunni sects that are fighting each other for power. It is their religion and hatred that has caused these internal conflicts in these countries, it is not as though they are being singled out, by a dictator, such as Hussein.

    I can live with the idea that they have had enough of this way of life, but what I can’t live with is that they bring with them their hatred of each other, in a country, that sees religion as a choice not a lifestyle or a mandate to continue what began in their own countries.

    Can Australia afford to take this risk? Take a look at what is happening in Britain and France?

    Cass

  23. What hate. Seems we already have too much of that already in this wide brown land of ours.

    When one moves from demonising refugees, one can only find the great good they have bought to this young country’s history.

    Yes, there are a handful of baddies. Can be found in most racist and cultures.

    They are people, mostly normal people, such as ourselves that through no choice of their own, have had to fled danger.

  24. Laurence Bigot, it would be helpful if you had any idea what you’re talking about.

    People traffickers kidnap or buy young people, many of whom are pre-teens and under 20yos who may then be forced into the sex trade at home or in a foreign country, or used as slaves in other enterprises.

    Tragically, many trafficked people are children as young as five or six, forced into the sex trade or used as slave or forced labour in factories or mines or as child soldiers, beaten, starved and force fed drugs so they can be deprived of sleep, food and water.

    Trafficked people are generally not escaping war, persecution or civil unrest; they are kidnap victims.

    Asylum seekers are not being trafficked. However, some maybe smuggled by boat as we currently have here or arrive by other means to seek refuge in a safe country,

    They all are either fleeing persecution like the Hazara, Tamils and other minority groups from a number of countries, or are fleeing the violence associated with civil unrest or war in their country of origin.

    Just recently, a nurse described her experience when dealing with some of the poor wretches looking for a safe place to live after experiencing unimaginable horrors.

    Two young men, one from Syria and one from Sri Lanka, recounted the slaughter of their families: their fathers mowed down by gun wielding soldiers, their mothers brutally gang raped before being hideously murdered, siblings vanished and their terror stricken escape before the soldiers found them and silenced them.

    The poor young man from Sri Lanka not even given a chance to apply for asylum, but shipped back to certain death in Sri Lanka.

    These stories are commonplace. And cretins babble about asylum seekers not popping in to the embassy to get a visa and organise travel details at the local travel agency, let alone apply for a passport from the government which is busily wiping out their communities!

    Asylum seekers haven’t experienced a few irritating glitches in their holiday plans: they’re fleeing for their lives, so hopping on a leaky unsafe boat would be more like a picnic after what they’ve been through.

    I’m sick of the hypocritical cant about leaky boats and the disgusting branding of these poor people as criminals.

    And the po-faced “operational matters” from the toy soldier and ‘scum, the secrecy and bare faced lies about boat arrivals giving people smugglers information, when the Liars were happily screeching that information from the rooftops for the “people smugglers” benefit when labor was in power.

    Most of all, I’m sick of well paid and padded selfish, so-called Christian, mean spirited racists and bigots whining about their comfort zone being disturbed to accommodate a few thousand folk whose lives have been shattered by the holocausts still ongoing in the countries they’ve managed to escape by the skin of their teeth.

    My wish is for the ghastly “scum to be dropped in Syria and see how he goes. If he makes it to Nauru, I’d like to see him have to live out his days there.

  25. There are many reasons why the issue of asylum seekers provokes such passionate responses: Conservative Liberal Opposition Gov put asylum seekers in the news daily. Conservative media,owned & controlled by powerful white people use the forums they own to incite hate,fear & distrust.This is done by inaccurate stories in the press that exaggerate the Muslim problem or the 2GB shock jock who allows callers to relate stories with no fact checking in place.So callers can use this forum to bash a particular ethnic group or religion & listeners believe the stories are true. The REAL stories are rarely acknowledged,those who have got themselves educated,employed & raising families.Another problem is MP’s who misrepresent the truth for political gain. Julie Bishop visited Sri Lanka when in Opposition & declared there was no ill treatment of Tamils, no torture or retribution. Lies that the Opposition believe gave them a political advantage, the desperate people were just collateral damage, sacrificed to the Tory good. In an ideal world there would be no asylum seekers, the world is not ideal but why would people want to add to the hate & carnage by vilifying asylum seekers. I believe if people could see the seekers as real people, real children & imagine their family enduring war & starvation they would start to understand.

  26. Great post Jane. You summed up my feelings exactly in your ‘Most of all …’ paragraph. I really am ashamed to be Australian right now.

  27. So this is humane and neccesary.

    .
    A 14-year-old Iraqi boy being held in Australian immigration detention, who requires daily injections, had his medication confiscated by officials – and since then has been separated from his father, his primary carer, who suffered a heart attack.
    The father and son arrived on Christmas Island on August 4, 2013, seeking asylum.
    The boy is only 147cm tall, very thin, and requires hormone injections for a growth disorder. His father administered these on a daily basis until the medication was confiscated on arrival in Christmas Island. The boy’s condition is unclear, as are details of any medication he may have been prescribed.
    On November 1, the father suffered a heart attack and was airlifted to the Royal Perth Hospital for emergency surgery. Still recovering, he is being monitored in the Perth Immigration Detention Centre..

    http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/boy-on-christmas-island-without-father-medication/758/

    Sadly this occurred under Labor.

    Why do we need the extra that Morrison has put in place, since the election. Why not wait and see where the PNG scheme was leading us.

    Could have saved all the problems that Morrison and Abbott obsession with turning back the boats has bought about.

    It seems we are paying a very high price with sovereign borders.

    Yes, costly, upsetting all in the region, in money and human suffering.

    It is like Morrison cannot afford or allow the PNG scheme to be seen to work.

  28. jane I so agree.

    “Another problem is MP’s who misrepresent the truth for political gain.”

    We have Malcolm Turnbull who knows that Direct Action and Fraudband are humiliating. We have Greg Hunt whose own thesis suggested a market-based price on carbon. We have Christopher Pyne who is father to two children with special needs cutting funding that would help similar children in the public school system. We have Joe Hockey encouraging foreign investment by stopping the sale of Graincorp. We have Julie Bishop and Tony Abbott escalating hostilities around the world by their “tough stance” (when the USA tells us to). We are abandoning public transport so Roads scholar Tony can be known as the Infrastructure Prime Minister…just ask Jamie Briggs who will tell you again, and again, and again. We have Matthias Cormann going on and on and on (like some doll having its string pulled) about fiscal emergency, whist handing over 8.8 billion to the RBA who were most surprised by the unexpected and unrequested windfall. Cynics say Hockey is gambling on exchange rates hoping to make some money before the next election – at the price of things like Gonski and charities and the schoolkids bonus.

  29. We have Gove being closed down. Not because of the toxic tax, but falling prices and high dollar. If the rescinding of the alleged toxic tax cannot save this one, what can it save?

  30. Abbott has said that over 130 takeovers have been approved by Hockey. Seems a lot of decision to make in 74 days.

    One suspects, given the time frame, most have just been rubber stamped.

    I wonder if there were any that Labor had concerns about?

    Is Mr. Abbott going to let the public into the secret of what they are?

    It seems the leaking and talking to media has began in the Coalition. Starting with Pyne, it seems. ABC news.

  31. They better have it right about those coal seam gas projects that are rapidly going ahead.

    Wonder if the Nationals will also stand up on this one,

  32. I haven’t felt so ashamed to be an Aussie since children overboard lies were left to stand by Johnny and his buddies during the Tampa yarn. Can’t wait for the next election. Come on decent Aussies give the Libs a message.

  33. Bacchus. We went into Afghanistan (and Irak) to free its people of the Taliban. We failed, so does that mean that we must now be held responsible for every Afghanistani that wishes to come to Australia?

    My problem is not in their coming here but in bringing with them their mysoginist values and their, imo, immoral islamic religious values.
    As reported by UNHCR in June, Afghanistan remained the world’s top producer of refugees last year, and it has held that position for a staggering 32 years.

    It’s a situation unlikely to change soon. Last month, the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) reported that the number of Afghan civilians killed or injured in the first six months of 2013 rose by 23 per cent compared to the same period last year. As Human Rights Watch’s Heather Barr wrote recently, while international combat troops may be leaving Afghanistan, the war is escalating, not ending.
    Cass

  34. We went into Iraq to free it’s people of the Taliban? 😯

    Oh Cass, you really have been deluded by listening to the propaganda pumped out on behalf of the US by complicit media. Like the majority of Americans at the time, you probably think that the Iraq invasion was all about 9/11 too 🙄

    Do you know what was happening in Afghanistan in the decades prior to the US invasion?

    http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/russia_invasion_afghanistan.htm

    Perhaps that’s why they’ve been the “top producer of refugees last year, and it has held that position for a staggering 32 years.” Note also in that article who was supplying weapons to the Afghanis at that time 😉

    You really nail your bigoted attitude to the wall with this:
    …their mysoginist values and their, imo, immoral islamic religious values

    The Howard government initiated and fostered this sort of bigoted approach to Muslims over a period of about five of six years, and it seems many still accept the distortion that occurred during these years. Labor in government certainly didn’t do enough to reverse the distortions, but at least they made some effort. What now that we have even worse than Howard at the helm? 😦

    A bit a background for you:
    http://www.academia.edu/675282/The_Future_of_Islam_and_Australian_Multiculturalism

  35. Bacchus, I’m not stupid the hidden agenda for going into Irak was to take control of the oil flow. However, a refugee can hardly say that because of this, he/she was persecuted for it.
    Yes I know what happened in Afghanistan, the Russians were defeated, helped along by the U.S.A. supplying arms to the Taliban. Back then they were ‘freedom fighters’ now they are ‘terrorists’.

    Call me a bigot all you like, but the facts are the Muslim religion is mysoginist. Sharia Law is immoral, it includes honour killings, domestic violence and Fatwa’s. Sharia Law is the “word of allah” so it will not be out-trumped by any legal system in the world.

    Taken from the Koran, the following should give you an idea on the role of women in Islam. If you want to further research the subject, I have attached a website which will bring you up to date on what really is happening to women and children in the Middle East.

    We have enough homegrown criminals without importing more religious zealots. This is not bigotry nor is it racism it is the facts surrounding this religion.

    4.1 17. They invoke in His stead only females; they pray to none else than Satan, a rebel.
    53.21-22. Are yours the males and His the females
    That indeed were an unfair division!
    53.27. Lo! it is those who disbelieve in the Hereafter who name the angels with the names of females.

    2.282. But if he who oweth the debt is of low understanding, or weak or unable himself to dictate, then let the guardian of his interests dictate in (terms of) equity. And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women, of such as ye approve as witnesses, so that I f the one erreth (through forgetfulness) the other will remember.
    4.11. Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females.
    4.34. Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart; and scourge (beat) them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great.
    Equally, in numerous hadiths on which are based the Islamic laws, we learn of the woman’s role—to stay at home, to be at the beck and call of man to obey him (which is a religious duty), and to assure man a tranquil existence. Here are some examples of these traditions:
    1. The woman who dies and with whom the husband is satisfied will go to paradise.
    2. A wife should never refuse herself to her husband even if it is on the saddle of a camel.
    3. Hellfire appeared to me in a dream and I noticed that it was above all peopled with women who had been ungrateful. “Was it toward God that they were ungrateful?” They had not shown any gratitude toward their husbands for all they had received from them. Even when all your life you have showered a woman with your largesse she will still find something petty to reproach you with one day, saying, “You have never done anything for me.”4. If anything presages a bad omen it is: a house, a woman, a horse.
    5. Never will a people know success if they confide their affairs to a woman.
    It will be appropriate to include two quotes from the famous and much revered philosopher al-Ghazali (1058-1111), whom Professor Montgomery Watt describes as the greatest Muslim after Muhammad. In his “The Revival Of The Religious Sciences,” Ghazali defines the woman’s role (4):
    She should stay at home and get on with her spinning, she should not go out often, she must not be well-informed, nor must she be communicative with her neighbours and only visit them when absolutely necessary; she should take care of her husband and respect him in his presence and his absence and seek to satisfy him in everything; she must not cheat on him nor extort money from him; she must not leave her house without his permission and if given his permission she must leave surreptitiously. She should put on old clothes and take deserted streets and alleys, avoid markets, and make sure that a stranger does not hear her voice or recognize her; she must not speak to a friend of her husband even in need. … Her sole worry should be her virtue, her home as well as her prayers and her fast. If a friend of her husband calls when the latter is absent she must not open the door nor reply to him in order to safeguard her and her husband’s honour. She should accept what her husband gives her as sufficient sexual needs at any moment…. She should be clean and ready to satisfy her husband’s sexual needs at any moment.
    Such are some of the sayings from the putative golden age of Islamic feminism. It was claimed that it was the abandonment of the original teachings of Islam that had led to the present decadence and backwardness of Muslim societies. But there never was an Islamic utopia. To talk of a golden age is only to conform and perpetuate the influence of the clergy, the mullas, and their hateful creed that denies humanity to half the inhabitants of this globe, and further retards all serious attempts to liberate Muslim women.
     4.11-12. A male shall inherit twice as much as a female. If there be more than two girls, they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance, but if there be one only, she shall inherit the half. Parents shall inherit a sixth each, if the deceased have a child; but if he leave no child and his parents be his heirs, his mother shall have a third. If he have brothers, his mother shall have a sixth after payment of any legacy he may have bequeathed or any debt he may have owed.

    On adultery the Koran 24.4 says: “Those that defame honourable women and cannot produce four witnesses shall be given eighty lashes.” Of course, Muslim jurists will only accept four male witnesses. These witnesses must declare that they have “seen the parties in the very act of carnal conjunction. Once an accusation of fornication and adultery has been made, the accuser himself or herself risks punishment if he or she does not furnish the necessary legal proofs. Witnesses are in the same situation. If a man were to break into a woman’s dormitory and rape half a dozen women, he would risk nothing since there would be no male witnesses.
    http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis/islamic_viewpoints/islams_shame/

  36. When one invades a country, or even if civil war breaks out, the social norm of the country also break down. Even under dictatorships, small communities or small religious groups or sects can be protected.

    Does not matter whether Muslims or not. There are fundamentals in all religions, in all cultures. Thankfully they are small in number, but loud in the noise they make.

    As in pre war Germany, these are the first attacked. In this case it was the Jews, along with the mentally ill, and other on the outskirts of society.

    Yes, our invasion of those countries put many at risk.

    When social norms break down, it is often the wek that

  37. One could write up a critique of Christian religions, that would be parallel of that above on the Muslim faith.

    In fact most is not religion, but culture. Culture that like Christian nations, is fast coming into this century for most.

    What is written, in my opinion, is only one giving themselves a excuse to hate.

  38. cassilva48 you do know that a lot of the refugees are Christians and other religions, not Muslim? Even the Muslim refugees are moderates being persecuted because of that.

    Iraq was mostly secular. Saddam had a secular government with a Christian minister, and the Christians, including the oldest known Christian sect, were mostly protected in Iraq until the invasion.

    What is now happening is wholesale persecution of the Christians and other non-Muslim religions including the wiping out of the old sects.

    So I gather you would lump every refugee under Muslim and just stop the lot of them, sending them all back to their place of origin no matter what their fate?

  39. As Fu said, exactly the same crap can be found in the bible if you wish to look. And also from Fu and very pertinent here:

    What is written, in my opinion, is only one giving themselves a excuse to hate.

    That’s bigotry 🙄

  40. No way, Bacchus. The Antal campaign in 1988 under Hussein was directed at Shia Kurds. In 1991 20,000-100,000 Kurds and 60,000-130,000 Shia were systematically exterminated. Up to 2003, it is estimated that 250,000=5000,000 kurds and shias have been killed. For the most part Hussein tolerated the Christians and even appointed Tariq Azis his deputy. Recent reports are saying that is is now worse for the Christians than when under Hussein, and this persecution is being condoned by the elected Shia Government.

    Irak is 99% Muslim, 65-70% Shia and 30-35% Sunni. This leaves only 1% christians in Irak. Not that I condone persecution of anyone, but to say that christians are being singled out, is simply not true. So in my opinion this is tit for tat, the Shias suffered under Hussein, and now the Shias have death squads that eliminate Sunnis, and the christians may be targeted because they were seen as siding with Hussein.

    So, as I said earlier, these people are from a war zone, they obviously hate one another, and if you can convince me that they will leave their Sunni and Shia politics and religion out of Australia, I will be happy to review the situation.
    Cass:
    “Iraq does not want a civil war between Shia and Sunni, mainly because this would be seen by outsiders as a genocide by the Shia majority against the Sunni minority. Many Iraqi Sunnis want to avoid this as well, but the Iraqi Islamic radicals will not negotiate and are increasingly violent against Iraqi Sunnis who do not cooperate with the terrorist campaign against the Iraqi Shia. But the only solution may be another round of vigilante violence by Shia against Sunnis in Iraq. That’s what halted most of the Sunni terrorism in 2007. Back then terrorist deaths went from 29,000 in 2006 to 10,000 in 2007 and kept falling until 2011 (when there were 4,100 deaths). Then came the Arab Spring and the Sunni uprising against the Shia minority government in Syria. This energized Sunni radicals and led to a big jump in Sunni terrorism in both Syria and Iraq. At the rate things are going this year, 2013 will have twice as many terrorist deaths as 2011. The Shia majority is growing more enthusiastic about unleashing (or just tolerating) the Shia death squads again. This would mean Shia killers would go after any Sunnis they could find and kill them while the Shia run security forces would stand aside. Back in 2006 the Americans brokered an end to this by convincing Sunni tribal chiefs and politicians to turn their followers against the terrorists. That worked, but since the Americans left in 2011, the guarantees have been largely violated by the Shia dominated government and it has proved very difficult to revive the original deal.”

  41. These did not happen until after the invasion. The secular Sunni elite ruling Iraq under Saddam did not persecute minority religions though they suppressed the Shia and Kurds.

    Assaults on minority Groups since 2003

    Assaults on minority Groups since 2003
    In total 40 churches have been bombed since June 26, 2004
    August 10, 2009: Truck bombs kill at least 28 people in the Shabak village of Khazna, in Nineveh governorate [29]
    June 20, 2009: Truck bomb kills at least 70 people in a Turkmen village near Kirkuk [30]
    Chaldean Catholic Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho was kidnapped on February 23, 2008. Three of his companions were also murdered during the kidnapping. His body was found in March and an Iraqi Al-Qaeda leader, Ahmed Ali Ahmed, known as Abu Omar, was sentenced to death in May for this crime.[31][32]
    January 9, 2008, 2 churches bombed in Kirkuk.
    January 6, 2008, 7 churches bombed: three Chaldean and Assyrian churches in Mosul and four in Baghdad.[33]
    August 14, 2007, Bombing of Qahtaniya and Jazeera: Killed 796 people and wounded 1,562, targeting the Yazidi minority.
    June 4, 2007, 2 churches attacked, Ragheed Ganni, a priest, and three men were shot dead in church.[21]
    October 2006, Orthodox priest, Boulos Iskander, kidnapped in Mosul and subsequently beheaded, and his arms and legs were cut off.[21][34]
    January 29, 2006, 4 churches bombed.
    January 2005, Syriac Catholic Archbishop of Mosul, Basile Georges Casmoussa, kidnapped on January 17 and released.[35]
    December 7, 2004, 2 churches bombed.[33]
    November 8, 2004, 1 church bombed.
    October 16, 2004, 5 churches bombed.[33]
    September 10 and 11th, 2004, 2 churches bombed.
    August 1, 2004, 5 Assyrian and 1 Armenian churches bombed.

  42. assilva48 I don’t know where you get your figures from but this is the breakdown as of 2008.

    Main minority groups: Twelver (Ithna’ashari) Shi’as (60-65%), Sunni Arabs ( 20%, although estimates vary greatly and are contested), Christians (3%); Kurds (15-20%); Turkomans (3%), Chaldeans (750,000);Assyrians (225,000); Yezidis (600,000), Sabian Mandaeans (5,000 – 7,000), Faili (Shi’a Kurds), Shabak (200,000), Dom (60,000), Palestinian refugees, (25,000), Sarliya-Kakaiya; Baha’i

    [Sources: CIA World Factbook 2007 for Shi’as, Kurds and Christians. Sunnis (est. based on widely circulated media reports, but claims are disputed). US CIRF 2007: Yezidis. Shabak and Sabian-Mandaeans. 2006 US CIRF report: Chaldeans, Assyrians; IRIN News, March 2005: Dom; UNHCR 2006: Palestinians ]

    An estimated 10 per cent of the population is not Shi’a Arab, Sunni Arab or Sunni Kurd.

    It could be 2% of the Christians have been killed or fled since 2008 if your figures are more recent. Some of those minority groups who have fled ended up as boat people heading for Australia. That is a direct result of the invasion of Iraq.

  43. Mobius: Of course this happened after we left Irak and we, the west, installed a Shia government. After all they could hardly put up a Sunni candidate after disposing of Hussein. You send me evidence based on CIA estimates??????
    I have sent enough information from all sides on the history of the sunni-shias relationship and their subsequent relationship with the christians, whether you take it on board is entirely up to you.
    Cass

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