How much damage?

This is purely speculation as no one can predict the future.  However, the future close and more distant can be based on past experience.  This is of course what this blog and many others have been attempting to do for almost as long as blogs have been a vehicle for public opinion – that is, take reports from mainstream media sources, and apart from analytical assessment and commentary, predict what an Abbott led government might have in store for us in the future.

Latest on Abbott’s list of debacles, when it comes to foreign affairs is:

In a Washington Post interview, Tony Abbott bagged the previous government- “They made a whole lot of grubby deals in order to try and perpetuate themselves in power. It was an embarrassing spectacle, and I think Australians are relieved they are gone.” A leading US political commentator responded by saying, ”It really does violate a basic principle of diplomacy to drag in your domestic politics when you go abroad.”

But when have we ever known Tones to be concerned about things such as sensitivities of others, after all funerals are cheap pickings when it comes to finding opportunities to bag “whatever”.  I honestly do not think that Tony even thinks.  A part of me suspects that it’s not so as to be nasty nor ignorant, nor rude, it’s just that he really is clueless.

It is clear to me that Abbott feels far more comfortable safe at home in his pyjamas, at a place where he doesn’t have to contend with these odd types, such as people of other races and of different religions – safe and comfy in a place where he doesn’t “feel threatened”.  Tony always has to be in charge, whether it means sitting in the front seat of a truck, being admired for the body beautiful or intimating that “the others” would be better off in their own comfort zone such as behind an ironing board or picking up rubbish, or enjoying sleeping rough.

As far as being diplomatic goes, Tony struggles.  Who else would boast that their daughter were/are virgins?  Or that marriage equality is “a passing fashion”.  Or that it is “folly” to expect women to achieve equality in public life.

However, at least for the time being we’re stuck with a prime minister who has stated that foreign affairs isn’t his strong suit, nor is economics, nor is…….

On foreign affairs, Abbott must remember that he has a hard act to follow.  Rudd for all his faults knew diplomacy, Gillard also for all her faults, knew to either show respect or to stay out of the picture.  I keep wondering why Abbott insists on attempting something which he knows he is extremely bad at, and has said he has no interest in.  Is it that his Foreign Minister J. Bishop is equally as hopeless (sorry Julies but your brief forays into your own portfolio when in opposition instilled me with no confidence whatsoever).  Is it that Abbott is attempting to emulate his hero JW Howard and make a spot for himself on the world stage?  In spite of the build up from Abbott’s cheer squad in the mainstream media and especially the Murdoch media, Abbott’s attempts at foreign affairs could best be described as lurching from one disaster to another with only the good graces of his overseas counterparts sufficient to partially makes excuses for him.

When you slam asylum seekers as “un-Christian”, for some reason our neighbors from whom you seek cooperation think to themselves WTF!

On Syria,

Mr Abbott dumbed down the crisis by saying it was not a situation of “goodies versus baddies” but “baddies versus baddies”.

As Australia’s intervention is unlikely, is it not best to stay out of a conversation which you know little about?  Australia has fought hard to be taken seriously, and it’s not all that long ago that we were considered a bunch of beer swilling yobs – do Australia a favour and desist from dumbed down commentary while others are speaking.

Tony and diplomacy:

Tony Abbott joked about the Costa Concordia, a cruise ship that sunk claiming 11 lives.

Tony Abbott joked “that was one boat that did get stopped, wasn’t it?”

When Tony Abbott was advised that she should apologise, Tony Abbott felt that he didn’t need to apologise as it was just “banter”.

Tony’s note to self:  sarcasm is inappropriate when lives have been lost.

On refugees:

The UN Human Rights Committee recently identified 143 violations of the UN Human Rights Convention with respect to these refugees. They referred to their treatment as cruel, inhumane and degrading.

Although completely irrelevant to “insular Australia”, these findings do not go unnoticed nor unremarked internationally.

Although the UN Committee has directed Australia “to provide the refugees with an effective remedy, including release from detention on appropriate conditions, rehabilitation and compensation”, it will be who cares a FF in Abbott’s Australia.  After all we have far more important matters to attend to than our moral world standing; at least for now.  I do not hold much hope that diplomatic relations with other countries will be of any priority in Abbott’s-Australia.

Unfortunately for Tony the rest of the world has concerns such as the use of fossil fuels, alternative energies, protection of habitat, multinational domination.

Even in fortress Australia, we are a country with an obesity crisis, a gambling addiction crisis, an ever-increasing wealth divide between the haves and the have-a-lot less, the never-tackled problems of housing affordability, a non-existent dental care system and the most casualised workplace in any first world economy – currently running at 35% according to latest figures.

Will an Abbott led government have any interest in these issues or will One Term Tony even be unable to get his head around these issues? Given past experience of Tony Abbott’s inability to grasp the essence of things that matter, I doubt it.

Wrecking Ball

222 comments on “How much damage?

  1. Women voters of Australia heard these comments by Abbott yet they voted for him. They love him. Women love being treated like shit by men. That’s why arseholes win and good guys lose. Sorry, that is a sad fact.

    The matter of great sadness is not that Abbott and Crew fanned the flames of hate but that Australians rushed to embrace hate.

  2. “Women love being treated like shit by men.” And you apparently lead the way, the hate-filled jackass. Where do we go to find idiots worse than Abbott? The Internet! Hurray.

  3. Just sayin’
    Bacchus
    OCTOBER 28, 2013 @ 5:22 PM
    Just a few extracts from that page before they take it down:

    The Abbott Government is the federal Executive Government of Australia of the Liberal-National coalition, which is led by Fascist Dictator and well known wife beater and child rapist Tony Abbott. Following the 2013 Australian federal election on 7 September, Abbott’s coalition bought votes and defeated the second Rudd Government, bringing to a close six years of fair and democratic governance by the Australian Labor Party. The Prime Minister and other ministers were sworn in on 18 September 2013.

    Tony Abbott’s Liberal Party and Coalition partner, the National Party, led by Warren Truss, bought a 3.65 percent two-party swing at the 2013 election with under the table deals and media manipulation, “winning” 90 of the Australian House of Representatives seats to the Labor Party’s 55.[6] The Greens retained their one seat in the chamber, with Bob Katter of Katter’s Australian Party also returned. Two independents won seats in the House of Representatives. The seat of Fairfax remained in doubt for some weeks after the election, looking likely to fall from the Nationals to Clive Palmer, leader of the Palmer United Party.

    Julie Bishop, who had previously been a lawyer tasked with ensuring asbestos victims died before their compensation claims could be paid to them, became the first woman to represent Australia as Minister for Foreign Affairs

    Joe Hockey, a former Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations in the Howard Government, became Treasurer of Australia, and Senator Mathias Cormann became Finance Minister in the Abbott Government. Hockey, the son of a Palestinian refugee and known for his catchphrase “I fuckin hate poor cunts”, had himself been a contender for the leadership of the Liberal Party in the ballot that saw Abbott win the role in 2009.[25] Belgian born Cormann had served as Shadow Assistant Treasurer and Shadow Minister for Financial Services and Superannuation.[26] At a 27 September Press Conference following the 2013 Election, Hockey confirmed the state of the national accounts by saying that Labor Treasurer Wayne Swan had promised a surplus in 2012-13 more than 500 times, but instead had delivered a deficit of $18.8 billion. Hockey said the government faced a challenge in order to sustain growth as the mining investment boom deflates, and indicated that the government was considering ways to stimulate infrastructure spending including, government approved pimp daddy’s and secretly killing and then selling the bodies of the poor to Maccas for burger patties. [27]

    Social policy

    With an ideology based in hate, ignorance, greed and suspicion, the Abbot government Social policy has been widely observed as attempting to uphold traditional ideals of feudal Europe. Among the Abbot frontbench homosexuality is rife, and as a consequence self hate has taken root. Therefore, in the reactionary style that the Liberal party has embraced over the past three decades, and as an attempt to hide the fact that Tony would love nothing more than a good bumming, the Liberal party has done all in its power to advance the cause of hate and prejudice against gay’s and Lesbians in Australia.

    Mangrove Jack
    OCTOBER 28, 2013 @ 6:50 PM
    Your link is still up and running Bacchus.
    When reason fails, there’s always ridicule.
    F’n hilarious!

  4. Thankfully LOVO’s pewter is busted, otherwise he’d lend his 2oz of weight to this disgusting blob…er sorry, blog.

    Walmart: my topic, either stay on it and desist from personal abuse or go to another “blob”.

  5. Awombatsweb, I very much doubt it. Hands up ladies, who enjoys being treated like shit? On the contrary it was the male of the species who rallied around to support the likes of Bolt and who nodded their heads in agreement over Abbott’s and cronies Ditch the Witch/Bob Brown’s B*tch statements. Abbott has always had “women problems” which is why the makeover, why he stopped wearing lycra in public and when he trotted out the wife and daughters to support “the fact” that Abbott “gets women”.

  6. Carol Taylor, “On the contrary it was the male of the species who rallied around to support the likes of Bolt and who nodded their heads in agreement over Abbott’s and cronies Ditch the Witch/Bob Brown’s B*tch statements”.
    Remember Sophie Mirabella standing beside Abbott under the sign ‘Ditch the Bitch’?

  7. The Abbott gubberment is a perfect reflection of idiot Australia… The mass hatred of Gillard was due to men and women alike who detest the idea of an unmarried woman, athiest with a hairdresser husband being in the top job.. “Women belong on a lead behind the sink” cry middle aged men and tied up women alike. You see if you grew up seeing mum servig dad you expect the same… And if your already chained to the hoover then “WHO THE HELL IS THAT RED HEAD TART” why is she so good!
    When the toxic baby boomers are pushing up dasies we can get back to creating a fair society.
    I apologise to boomers who may feel differently but look around, you know im right.
    We get what we deserve. Sure we need to oppose Abbotts filthy backward policys, but we also need to educate future generatiins by pointiong out the mistakes of the past.
    And Abbott will go down as a mistake!

  8. He is such an embarrassment I shudder every time he goes overseas. Calling Julia and Kevin wackos is so unbelievable. He and his lib cohorts are the only wackos in this country and they prove it every day. I am sure overseas dignitaries would take only a few minutes to work out who the wackos are. He only has to open that big mouth of his.

  9. I do take offence to people blaming baby boomers for Abbott being voted in. I am a baby boomer and can not stand Abbott or his cronies. I also never voted for Howard either. Most of my friends in my age group can not stand Abbott. Even my 83 year old mother can not stand Abbott. It has nothing to do with age and everything to do with the intelligence of the voter. There a dumb people that are easily lead in all age groups. You can not judge how people vote because of their age.
    Most of us still have our marbles and can still smell a con a mile away, Abbott has conned this country into believing in him. However having said that he does seem to appeal to the sports people of this country also appeals to rednecks and racists, so start looking elsewhere for who to blame. He is and always will be an embarrassment to this beautiful country of ours. He should not be allowed to travel overseas because he suffers from foot in mouth disease.

  10. At last someone has reminded the ABC 24that Ms. Gillard invited Abbott to accompany her to Afghanistan when PM. Mr. Abbot rudey refused.

    Abbott still trying to outdo Gilard in everything he does.

  11. Today Abbott is is Afghanistan telling us that he’s ending our involvement there. I thought that JG had already said that our troops would be coming out of there by 2014. The only thing where Abbott outdoes Julia Gillard in is that he is an absolute idiot lacking in diplomacy and many other qualities to many to mention.
    I can’t help wondering just how he got his Rhodes Scholarship to study at Oxford.

  12. …He is such an embarrassment I shudder every time he goes overseas. Calling Julia and Kevin wackos is so unbelievable. He and his lib cohorts are the only wackos in this country and they prove it every day.

    There is a term for this, when right-wingers accuse others of what they themselves (RWers) do. That term is Right-Wing Projection.

    _____________________
    Right-Wing Projection: The political tactic where right wingers use descriptions pertaining to themselves to describe their opponents.

  13. Yes, Abbott takes embarrassment to a new level. That liberal voters will continue to swallow the crap coming out of his mouth suggests that they have the mindset of a 12 year old.

  14. As the cat in my profile suggests, the liberal voters are like the cat that tells the mouse to get in its mouth!

  15. One thing he does seem to be doing better than labor and that is going overseas, does anyone have any stats on how often he has travelled in the last 50 days or so. Would be very interested to see how long he has been in this country since he became PM.

  16. Cass Silva and,

    Yes, Abbott takes embarrassment to a new level.

    No style and no class, and no different to the previous election when he said he had problems finding time to have sex while on the campaign trail..he failed to mention his wife.

  17. Omnia, where did you get those stats from? I’ve done a Google search and can’t find a mention. I would like to know just for curiousity’s sake, thank you.

  18. This in the courier mail today Carol.

    The first post-election Newspoll, published today in The Australian, shows the Coalition with a huge two-party preferred lead of 56 to 44 per cent over Labor.

    Support for the Government is even better than the election-winning 53.5 per cent, which was the highest two-party vote since John Howard came to power in 1996.

    Mr Abbott had a 47 to 28 per cent lead over Mr Shorten as preferred PM. 19%.

    Not a bad result for the worst Govt and PM in history hey? Mr Abbott must be doing something well.

  19. Ah yes your quoting the newspoll, I would like to see all the details of where that poll was taken and what age groups. News have a great way of fudging polls or making sure they are in a Lib electorate.

  20. Popularity stats don’t lie folks.” 😆 lol: lol: lol: lol: lol: lol: lol: lol: lol: lol:

    This one is dopier than most Min!

    The “Undecided’ in that poll sits at 25%, making the 47 to 28 preferred PM moot.

    Newspoll chief executive Martin O’Shannessy said the results were “in line with what we saw in 2007 (the last change of government) . . . a nice little bounce for the winner”.

    He said the recent furore over politicians’ expenses, which has involved politicians including Mr Abbott repaying travel expenses, had apparently not damaged the government.

    But Mr O’Shannessy cautioned the poll was the first since the election, and had been taken before the resumption of parliament in two weeks. This was likely to galvanise public opinion around Mr Abbott and Mr Shorten.

    The Newspoll shows 47 per cent of voters are satisfied with Mr Abbott’s performance – his best result since March 2010 – with 34 per cent dissatisfied and 19 per cent uncommitted. The Prime Minister’s net satisfaction rating is at a record of 13 per cent.

    About 32 per cent of voters were satisfied with Mr Shorten’s performance, compared with 24 per cent who were dissatisfied and 44 per cent undecided.

    Mr Shorten is faring better than Brendan Nelson, who took over as opposition leader after the defeat of the Howard government in 2007. The first head-to-head comparison between Mr Nelson and Mr Rudd gave the later a 61 per cent to 14 per cent lead, with 25 per cent of voters undecided.

    When Kim Beazley took over as opposition leader after the defeat of the Keating government in 1996, John Howard opened with a 54 per cent to 22 per cent lead as preferred prime minister. Twenty-four per cent were undecided.

    How about Morgan then? Electors say Tony Abbott (40%) is ‘Better PM’ than new ALP Leader Bill Shorten (36%). That’s a 4% difference, still with 24% undecided.

    Why do you think the saying, “Lies, damned lies and statistics” was coined? 🙄

  21. What electorate?, what age group? how many polled? Yes if you are not skeptical about anything Murdoch media conducts then that is your problem. I take everything they say and publish about libs as a lie. By the way he will go down in history as the worst pm. just as Howard has gone down as the biggest spender and the bigest wasting PM. Abbott is all ready patting himself on the back for all labor has achieved. All this man has done so far is jaunt around the world at the tax payers expense. He seemed to have gotten rid of the budget crisis overnight. One minute the country was in a mess next minute he is PM and there is no crisis, so much so that he has his so called treasurer lifting the debt ceiling by 200 billion. Yet when labor wanted to increase it by 50 billion they carried on like raving lunatics.
    Another little thing he pats himself on the back for is slowing the boats, Kevin Rudd is the one that slowed them, he has done nothing at all as yet to stop the boats. I do recall he said from day one. We have had more than a thousand refugees since he was pm. All he has done is backpedal when he went to Indonesia.
    we still have to get to his rorts yet. He should have been charged with fraud and theft by now, would like to know who is behind him and getting him off being charged.

  22. I can’t believe that Abbott has had a jump in the polls. I simply can’t believe it. People must like having a PM who drives fire trucks.

  23. Omnia quaerite misnomer, what’s your thought on Hockey only now revealing a family interest of 17 years, breaking parliamentary rules for that entire period?

    Labor farts in the wrong direction and the whole party must be bought down and put in jail forever. A Liberal blatantly breaks rules, rorts and deceives the public and they are sacred cows.

  24. Onanist quarterly,

    Spinning the Liberal rubbish again I see. Looking forward to your neighbours and friends getting WorkChoiced, Onanist?

  25. Min, thanks for another interesting read 😎

    Abbott and diplomacy don’t belong in the same sentence, and he should be restricted to minister for push bikes and fun runs, and leave real policy ares for… oh wait, I forgot it’s the LNP we’re talking about 😯

    Keep up the good work 😎

    BTW, just posted “Australia, beautiful one day… Fascist the next!” 😀

    http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/10/29/australia-beautiful-one-day-fascist-the-next/

    Cheers 😀

  26. When it comes to Right Wing Projection, the Coalition is blindingly bright in exposing everyone to it. Unfortunately, it doesn’t mean that it is a bright thing to do to expose your shortcomings in such a blindingly, brilliant obvious way.
    *sigh*

  27. Omnia quaerite October 29, 2013 @ 1:16 pm
    Source please! Otherwise your expecting us to take your word on it, and I am sure you won’t mind if we laugh at you for that.

  28. Walmart @ October 28, 2013 @ 9:21 pm
    Well Walmart, at least if Lovo was in my neighborhood and/or asked me, I would happily assist him as much as I could in my knowledge of such things in my Trade. Why? Because he is a respectable person. Which I see as a plus for Lovo and a minus for you.
    Most other people would just laugh at your pomposity, after your derogative personality has molested them with sneers of derision, you then dared to have the temerity to ask them for assistance with your broken PC.
    We would possibly offer to assist you with an offer to charge you for the privilege of utilizing our skills, being diplomatic of course, or we could teach you the meaning of the word Schadenfreude, in the hope of teaching you how rewarding it is to be polite to others.

  29. What is wrong with the Labor Party, going on what they are saying regarding the mining tax, they are all over the place with it, and are definitely not united as a party.

  30. Omnia quaerite @ October 29, 2013 @ 3:26 pm
    Oh dear “Ominous questionable”. I think I warned you about a problem in getting statistical information from a proven propaganda manufacturer. Broaden the horizons and find information the correlates across many different unconnected sources that is Expertly Peer reviewed and held in high esteem by those in the knowledge fields of discussion. That way you will cease to make a fool of yourself in public.

  31. Is it my imagination or from recent media events Tony Abbott comes over as being extremely slow on the uptake and can barely string a sentence together without pausing several times. Methinks that the task may be a little too much for him as he seems in a constant state of confusion and anxiety. Regardless I am now of the opinion is for the liberals to do there worse as it is the only way that liberal voters will realise how good they had it under labor and will donate the $1000 given to them to ride out the economic crises, and write a cheque for the batts in their ceilings and their free house globes!

  32. To whom it might concern: Morgan poll 19/20 Oct 2013 – LNP 51.5%, AL 48.5%. A lot must have happened in a week for those figures to differ so much from Newspoll.

  33. Vicki @ October 30, 2013 @ 1:16 pm
    The difference is Morgan is a Company that is looking at enhancing it’s products standing by striving for accurate statistical delivery of their products to their Clients.
    “Limited News” is a Company that makes it’s money by delivering fantasy products.

  34. No Vicki they don’t fabricate their figures. What is alleged is that Newspoll manipulate them by limiting the manner of polling and by keeping their collection demographics and regions under wrap.

  35. Yep the Liberals are back in power.

    Protests against Hockey, and wasn’t he pissed off.
    Live stock export in trouble as this government’s relaxed laws reveal gross cruelty to sheep overseas.
    100’s of thousands of homes have been removed from the NBN map.

    Wait for the government to bring in tough laws to crack down on protesters, taking away more freedoms. It’s what they always do, eat away at your rights and freedoms using any excuse they can engineer.

    Of note is the way the news, including the ABC, are treating these items as compared to when Labor was in power.

  36. Protests of mass proportion in cities and towns around the Country is the only way to go, under Abbott and his irks, the billionaire club have total control, which is totally wrong.

  37. Cuppa, do the Liverals spin anything else but rubbish?

    Oh, hang on, add lies too.

    __________________
    Roswell, I’ve been observing the bastards for ages and I’ve never seen them do anything but that. It can only ‘work’ with a compliant media – many of whom are Liberals also.

  38. Mö, the new currency in our world is now fear. Fear, that if you do not do and say as “They” want, you and your family will suffer, as now even keeping your home/shelter is dependent on having a continual source of money or the Government or Banksters will take it from you. Everything else has been legislated as illegal.
    We have allowed them, over the years, through our pompous acceptance and self-righteousness, to allow them to make subsistence living an illegality. We put a noose around our own necks aat their bidding. The people that are doing the “Faceless One’s” work, like Leigh Sales, are really as much a victim of what we have all wrought by our lack of understanding of what was being done to us.
    We are fools. But even greater are the fools that can see it, but choose to continue to accept it by choice.
    Resist, peacefully. It works. Deny your energy of input to driving their machine.

  39. TechIB:

    Resist, peacefully. It works. Deny your energy of input to driving their machine.

    _______________
    Sounds like you’d love the American progressive radio talk jock, Mike Malloy. For a long time he’s been advocating a form of peaceful protest. He says a particular day should be nominated, and on that day millions of people don’t go to work, don’t do anything. Instead they congregate in central places and just …. sit. This all happening at once would cause the wheels of “the machine” to grind to a halt, and make the One Perccent sit up and take notice.

    Australian audiences can listen to Mike by subscribing to his podcast. The cost is around 70 dollars US per year. For that you get a two-hour show each weekday to be downloaded to listen at your convenience. Every day he gives right wingers and the One Percent verbal hell. Wonderful listening! I’m a subscriber myself for three years now, and recommend it highly.

    http://www.mikemalloy.com/

  40. Some here seem hell bent on resisting non-peacefully, but what is it that you are resisting? I am interested to know how one resists effectively, when the majority are taking no notice?

  41. The Hunter’s Liberal MP the Member for Patterson couldn’t explain to very disgruntled constituents why his government is winding back the NBN in their region. His response when the valid questions got too tough, “go ask Malcolm Turnbull.”

    Yep this joke of a government continues to stumble on.

  42. Ominous questionable @ October 31, 2013 @ 10:27 am
    We are resisting the state of mind you find as normal. We don’t wish to be anything like you, the reason of which we won’t bother to explain as you would not understand a progressive mind, as it would frighten you to think outside of what you’re told to think.

  43. Abbott’s statement on his abolishing the carbon price will immediately reduce power bills by 9% and gas bills by 7% don’t stack up to fact checking.

    Another deceit sold to the Australian people, and when the power bills don’t go down by his promised amount he will come back with they would have been higher.

    Trouble is that the average $200 rise in bills was being compensated for under the carbon price, but under DAP they will be slugged up to an extra $1400pa with no compensation. Wait until that bites.

  44. TechinBris @ 11:18 am

    There’s whole studies and papers on the closed born to rule mindset of conservative followers if you search for them.

    They don’t care if their ideological leaders are corrupt, conduct government in secrecy, screw the country and environment, and even if they lead them into an authoritarian hierarchical government, as long as their ideology ruling. It means they don’t have to think too much and fear change.

  45. “Abbott’s statement on his abolishing the carbon price will immediately reduce power bills by 9% and gas bills by 7% don’t stack up to fact checking.”

    What r the facts that you are checking ecko?

  46. ABC Fact Check. Abbott’s figures are pure speculation and not based on any modelling.

    Also I found out that Abbott lied. During the election campaign he said electricity bills would drop by 10% after he scrapped the carbon price, now he’s saying 9%.

  47. Ominous quaerite @ October 31, 2013 @ 11:49 am
    There are a lot of Australian’s that would like to have a intelligent conversation which you have proven you cannot do “Ominous questionable”. You are of the less desirable Australian, otherwise known as a Bogan, and we cringe at the like of your kind. We tolerate you out of decency to others, in a way you never do to anyone else. It is this redeeming feature that allows you to survive. Maybe we should reconsider.

  48. Cass Silva that was the majority response to Abbott’s cheaper promise quoted on the ABC Fact Check site.

    And even if he does collude with the power companies to have them reduce their bills by giving them a backroom subsidy, Abbott still hasn’t addressed his 7 times that amount slug to each household with no compensation for DAP.

  49. Tech “You are of the less desirable Australian, otherwise known as a Bogan”

    Does this make you an intellectual snob of little substance? Drink your latte and keep your opinions to yourself.

    You’ve no idea who I am and you insult those less fortunate who live on the breadline and similar, like the grass roots labor voters who struggles to pay power bills each quarter. You are a nasty piece of work techinbris.

  50. Can’t stand Latté (get it right) Ominous. Long Black please!
    I don’t have to be a snob when I have to deal with the likes of your Intelligence Quota. Just being able to think outside of the IPA approved lines of thought, places me at a distinct advantage in the survival stakes compared to you.
    I don’t really need to know you, nor would I want to, come to think of it. I have friends who are on the Bread Line who I regularly help thank you. I have a great, eclectic range of friends who support me as I support them and my Community. I do my Community duties mate, which by your written words espoused so far, you have a total disdain for. Or are you being a total “Tool” of a Troll in your writings, to try to piss people off. If so, stop being so juvenile and change tact to a much more intelligent line of discussion and you will find people far more receptive to yourself and your views.
    BTW, you have no idea how nasty I could possibly be to those who are a threat to my Community. But I do know financial sleight of hand when I see it. You obviously do not, like a gullible Twit.

  51. Omnia quaerite. Those less fortunate Australians were being compensated for their increased bills, and the less well off the more they were compensated to the point of getting more money than the cost of the carbon price.

    You apparently want to take that away from them and instead support a party who does the opposite, take from the less fortunate to give to the wealthiest both in this country and overseas. Why do you condone this?

    And if you’re so worried about the less well off then I will be expecting a post condemning Abbott’s DAP and other measures introduced by him that either take payments from them or cost them more than was previously the case, or both.

  52. By his own hand “Ominous questionable” has shown they’re a total ignoramus in the financial stakes Mö. They are totally at the mercy of the Cons of the World, or one would have to surmise such, considering the idiocy they have espoused here.
    I try to be generous to those in need, but this one, I’ll let fall, as they need to learn a lesson, that they currently show they cannot, and will not, allow to be taught to them. Let them learn by hard experience how the Social and Financial worlds collide and how it can destroy people.

  53. Trouble most will lose more than the dubious savings in electricity, especially those families that Abbott shows so much care for.

    First they will lose the school kids bonus.

    “.Unlike the previous Education Tax Refund, you do not need to claim the Schoolkids Bonus or keep receipts for education expenses.

    Eligible families will receive Schoolkids Bonus in:
    •two instalments of $205 for each child in primary school – a total of $410 each year
    •two instalments of $410 for each child in secondary school – a total of $820 each year

    If you share the care of your child with another person, you will receive a percentage of this payment. This will be based on the percentage of Family Tax Benefit you receive for the child

    .”
    http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/services/schoolkids-bonus

    It does not end there. The same families will lose the super rebate for low income earners. Yes, the system will revert back, to the situation where those on the bottom pay more tax, that those on the top. Big lost that one.

    I believe the $18000 income tax threshold is going. If not, the intended raising of threshold has gone.

    Then there Is a special supplement that those on benefits, such as new start, to help pay electricity and like bills, has gone.

    Yes, the price that most are paying, to get a small, very small, and probably not for a year or so reduction in power bills, is very great indeed.

    It is said that the increase in solar panels and of course, the million and quarter insulation roofs, plus compensation given, led to most not receiving bigger bills.

    Will some one please tell Abbott, that NBNCo does ot dig up the roads or footpaths. The fibre is pulled through the ducts leased off Telstra. It was getting this agreement with Telstra, that led in the delay in getting NBNCo off the ground. Add to Telstra’s asbestos laden pits, which led to further delays.

    We have Barnaby Joyce’s reactions to further announcement of animal cruelty in the live sheep trade, by abolishing the position of an officer, to oversee the live trade.

    Will someone tell Abbott, that all he was asked, was what he thought about the cruelty. Nothing to do with being foolish, and making policy on the run.

    So we are signing an agreement with Russia, giving them what they want in the Antarctic region. Yes, cutting back on the proposed nature parks. Yes, one can always get things signs, if one caves in.

    We have Bishop and Brandis disagreeing over that little girl in Turkey. Neither acting. Brandis has told Bishop. it is her problem.

    We have Abbot tout, once again in electioneering mode, with all the lies he spruiked for the last three years.

    As soon as serious questions are asked, he closes down.

    Another amazing announcement, is that minister have to give cabinet any proposals or policies, ten days noticed. Yes, it must take that long for Abbott to be able to read, and comprehend what is proposed.

    Senator Carr this morning had much to say, on the car industry. He claims this government’s action, will let it go down the gurgler. That decisions will be made at the end of this year by the car producers.

    They will not be waiting around for this government to make up their minds.
    Once they are gone, that will be it. Over 200,000 jobs disappearing.

  54. Yes, it is true, we have no idea who our visitors are, or what if any experience, or qualifications are.

    All we can judge them on, is what the write here when they makes comments.

    Anyone that believes getting rid of the MRRT and great big carbon tax, has rocks for brains. The figures just don’t add up.

    One, especially if on lower incomes, are going to lose much more, than any decrease in power bills.

    Those on higher incomes, will win every time.

    Even the omission of audit, guarantees any benefits or rebates to higher income earnes will not be touched,

    Abbott and Hockey has ensured this, by coingining it to spending, with revenue NOT to be looked at.

    Yes, most benefits to the higher income earners, come fro taxation rebates. Yes, from the revenues side.

    It is time for a inquiry into how the GST performs. Yes, it has not got rid of the black money market. Once again, I was told, when buying a second hand computer, if ( gaver him cask, proper cash, it would be $50 cheaper.

    Time to look at the tax that is being avoided.

    Not gapping to happen under this government,. The first thing this government did, was tell the Taxation Office to go easy on small business. Reverse the action taken to get rid on a loop hole in the FBT with cars.

    It is not spending that is wrong with the budget. The trouble is on the revenue side. If one does not look at both out goings and incomes, how will one arrive at the right decisions.

    We has Abbott out again today, saying what he is doing for small business. No mention of the tax concessions he has just wiped out, on depreciation in their businesses. No, just getting rid of that great big toxic tax, and all will be well. No mention of the high dollar.

    Wonder how many small business will go to0 the wall, when the CEF suite of bills are dismantled.

  55. Even if it cost more than it is worth, to collect the tax. Trouble is, will not stop most from buying overseas.

    Savings are much greater than 10% tax plus postage.

    I suspect most Internet sales, are from within Australia and already attracts the tax.

  56. Go ahead. If we are lucky, we’ll hear you were Gazumped at the Eleventeenth hour (that is a Hockey number we are still puzzling over) for a bit of entertainment.
    Go and rock yourself up to the eyeballs in debt. *snicker*

  57. Ominia, ‘another’ investment property 😯 …cor blimey, wow ‘n gee ‘n stuff.. 😛 ……and your point is ????… what exactly???? 🙄

  58. LOVO, I think his point is, that he reckons we’d all be so impressed and in awe in what he is doing.
    Are you impressed? I am not. It really is a common thing in these days.
    I am more impressed with the coming weekend and the simpler, less expensive things in life with my Family and friends!

  59. Wow Omnia quaerite misnomer I’m super impressed from my hovel in the back streets of a crappy dying country town as I’m too poor to afford anything else. I will immediately become a mindless Liberal supporter and go out and buy investment properties so I can be just like you.

    On the other hand I have family I haven’t seen in a long time visiting me and I’m going to spend quality time and my money on them.

  60. We worry for you Ominous Questionable. See a Doctor. Your mood swings with bladder control loss is symptoms of a form of Mental Illness you know.
    It HAS to be that, or your just a gullible, malicious, mendacious Malison who pollutes the lives of those of whom you come to bother. Please, do the World a favor, don’t bother.
    Cheerio and adieu and may someone spit on you upon you exit for all your selfish lack of empathy for the people in the world, that you have total apathy for, due to your greed and all consuming lust and celebration for the ultimate evil within our world, the lust for wealth.
    Go rot elsewhere. Whilst we celebrate your demise, you unpalatable scourge.

  61. Tech,

    Truth be known – and that’s something right-whingers are constitutionally incapable of imparting – Onanist probably doesn’t have two cents to rub together. Though he does vigorously rub something else…

  62. cuppa @ November 2, 2013 @ 8:38 am
    LOL. Cuppa, as they say, one person’s dream is another person’s nightmare.
    I do feel for those who have to put up with RWNJ, because they have no other choice. But when it comes to one’s we choose to be with, well the likes of Ominous Questionable is extremely low on the list of desirable and safe friends to have. I’d rather not have to watch my back continuously and I don’t doubt many others want to also.

  63. “Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won’t come in.” – Isaac Asimov

    “Sit down before fact with an open mind. Be prepared to give up every preconceived notion. Follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads or you learn nothing. .” – Hyman G. Rickover

    “Being generous often consists of simply extending a hand. That’s hard to do if you are grasping tightly to your righteousness, your belief system, your superiority, your assumptions about others, your definition of normal.” – Patti Digh, Life Is a Verb:

    “We must quit thinking we know everything, and quit placing “knowledge” over kindness and compassion.” – Bryant McGill, Voice of Reason

    “It does take great maturity to understand that the opinion we are arguing for is merely the hypothesis we favor, necessarily imperfect, probably transitory, which only very limited minds can declare to be a certainty or a truth.” – Milan Kundera, Encounter

    “We must quit thinking we know everything, and quit placing “knowledge” over kindness and compassion.” – Bryant McGill, Voice of Reason
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  64. The question I ask, why do we bother to answer those, whose only aim is to insult.

    To many serious matters to discuss.

    This new government takes some keeping up, in the ridiculous behavior field.

    One does not have to look at IP addresses, to realize where they are coming from.

    Hw would one react to them in real life. Would you invite them to a barecus, or spend tile with them at the local.

    I suspect not.

    Then, why here?

  65. By the way, I am in my seventies, and my mother had investments properties for most of her life. Only way, a woman, who suffered ill health, could ensure an income.

    I believe the fix interest rates are on the way up. One needs to be careful, especially under this government. It is still true, as my dad used to say, what goes up, can and does come down.

  66. OQ, wingnuts commenting here eventually allude to position and wealth.

    It’s a sort of “well, go and get fucked then” strategy when on the losing end of a debate.

    You fit a pattern.

  67. How much damage can this man wield. That is unknown, but has nowhere in his history, has he ever built.

    “………
    He was president, but almost alone. On a council of 30 members, he had no more than three or four supporters. He didn’t build alliances; he fell out with the moderates; he created and dramatised division. He didn’t like the SRC and made no secret of being happy to see it bankrupt. “I can’t recall a constructive policy for the benefit of the student body that he ever put forward,” says a distinguished Sydney lawyer active in univer­sity politics then. “My lasting impression is of negativity and destruction. For those he did get on with, he was well liked. He also generated an enormous amount of hostility verging on vitriolic hatred from those who were his political opponents.”
    They tried to prevent him taking office. The farce that followed involved police, rival teams of locksmiths, mobs of angry students, law­yers and university officials. Abbott’s car aerial was snapped. He slept in his office under siege. He tried to fire SRC staff. Even those on the executive supporting his right to take office thought his behaviour “senseless, futile and provocative”.
    The NSW Equity Court confirmed his election a few days later and he took command, waging war on graffiti, tearing down polit­ical posters, banning homosexual activists from reception, cheerfully calling the welfare officers “sluts” and berating SRC staff by name in the pages of Honi Soit. Abbott was running a one-man campaign to wreck his own organisation. Week after week he attacked the SRC in the student paper. The writing is sharp, fearless and provocative. One week he took readers on a tour of the SRC offices:
    Luckily, it is lunchtime, so we are able to watch a meeting of the SRC women’s collective (men from a distance, as only women are allowed into the “women’s” room). Grim faced, overall-clad, hard, strident, often lustfully embracing in a counterfeit of love …
    He invaded the Women’s Room with a Channel Ten news crew and cub reporter Mike Munro. The issue was voluntary fees. The point was ridicule. When asked to leave the room, Abbott declared for the cameras, “This is a man’s room for the moment.” On ABC TV’s Nationwide he was calling for the slashing of both university funding and student numbers. This was to be done in the name of restoring academic rigour to Australian universities by denying Marxist lecturers the wherewithal to teach, for instance, the politics of lesbianism. He was spouting pure Santamaria: “Marxists realised that the universities now play a crucial role in the edu­cation of the elite of modern society, and they understand if they destroy the academic standards, and perhaps even the moral standards of that elite, well then they have perhaps fundamentally and fatally undermined liberal democratic society.”
    His footy mates loved him. “Shut up, Abbo,” they’d say when he started talking politics. “Shut up, Abbo” was a familiar, affectionate taunt on the field and in the pub. They loved the daredevil in him. They forgave him his outrages. He was an affectionate and demonstrative friend. He wasn’t on a mission with them. The rugby crowd had no idea Abbo was still thinking of the priesthood. They should have kept a closer eye on Honi Soit, which ran the SRC president’s address to new students in Orientation Week, 1979:
    All physical objects, all human works are quite insubstantial in the parade of eternity – only God endures. In all ages progressive think­ers have announced the death of God. My friends, He has made more comebacks than Mohammed [sic] Ali. For most of us, he refuses to die. This is the FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH that has been forgotten by the university in its rush to be fashionable …

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/early-elections-20120903-2593o.html#ixzz2jTC1ObGI

    Nothing seems to have changed, when it comes to Tony. What one sees, one gets.

  68. What is parliament for? Not to rubber stamp Abbott’s brain farts, I am sure.

    “……………..But apart from its dubious role as legislation factory, Parliament, when it sits, does something even more important – it invites scrutiny and demands transparency.

    And transparency is something this government doesn’t seem to prioritise.

    There are numerous early examples, from the refusal of Immigration Minister Scott Morrison to tell us when or if boats have been turned back – a major plank of their election policy, you may vaguely recall. There are no longer real-time alerts of boat arrivals, and the Immigration Department has been effectively silenced, as all information pertaining to ”Operation Sovereign Borders” is now funnelled through the minister’s office.

    The Treasury’s ”blue book” (a briefing for the incoming government) has not been made public as it was under the previous Labor government.

    When it comes to media appearances, the strong message conveyed from the Prime Minister’s office to ministers is they should talk only when they have something to say. The chip-scavenging gulls of the fourth estate will not be fed a constant diet. The 24-hour media cycle will not dictate the tempo of government.

    It’s much more difficult to avoid the media when Parliament is sitting. Your opponents will give press conferences outlining your flaws and telegraphing your embarrassments. Questions must be answered in Parliament. Journalists will corner you in the cafeteria. Nightly news bulletins will be hungering for parliamentary antics to broadcast.

    And despite the tight regulations governing where cameras can and can’t be in Parliament House, there will usually be a photographer hidden somewhere to capture you scurrying away from reporters as they pepper you with questions.

    Another theory on Abbott’s parliamentary languor is that his government just doesn’t have that much legislation to pass, because it defined its policy agenda narrowly in opposition to Labor.

    Once the twin taxes are knocked off, there is the matter of paid parental leave, to be legislated in the first half of 2014. Beyond that, there is a lot of empty schedule space, and time. The new Prime Minister has plenty of that, and he looks inclined to take it……

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/action-man-abbott-runs-government-at-a-dawdle-20131101-2wpxk.html#ixzz2jTWjdJG3

  69. It is so peaceful now that Abbott is PM.

    No more leadership challenges every month. No more policy on the run like dreaming up the NBN on the back of a postage stamp on some plane flight. No more backstabbing every six months. No more opinions from the most incompetent government in Australian history.

    So wonderful and so peaceful.

  70. “Carlton also ravaged the gathering of the lickspittles:

    Merry toasts were drunk: Death to the ABC; Down with David Marr; Climate Change Be Damned, and so on. The jollity continued as Alan Jones, Professor David Flint and Christopher Pyne engaged in a spirited bidding war in the charity auction for a pair of Tony’s red Speedos. Alan emerged the gracious winner and, ever the entertainer, led the company in a rousing rendition of Tomorrow Belongs to Me, that wonderfully evocative anthem from the movie Cabaret.”
    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2013/11/above-unless-of-course-youre-looking-at.html#comment-form

  71. Shame is that the same visitors, that cannot see, are also still around.

    Yes, do not worry, there is plenty of fun coming.

    We now have a PM that embarrassed the country, every time he opens his mouth.

  72. “We now have a PM that embarrassed the country, every time he opens his mouth.

    Doesn’t embarrass me. Speak for yourself.

    You do however.

  73. Well, you do have bug trouble, if you cannot see a PM making a fool of himself, while aboard, not a worry.

    I am surprised, that the debt is no longer a problem.

  74. Julia Gillard was the best PM with one of the most competent team this country ever had. 😀 …one only has to look at number and quality of policies put through in her 3yrs.
    Howard used to be the worst…. but now we have tony the nutter with no policy but destroy. 😈 Curse him and all his shallow aspirational’s ( that’s ewe NoS, baa)

  75. “Julia Gillard was the best PM with one of the most competent team this country ever had

    You should do more comedy.

  76. I read the first sentence and then i stopped reading.

    “LAST WEEK, students in Melbourne protested against education cuts.”

    These were cuts introduced by Gillard. Why were they protesting against Abbott??

  77. Neil. at least get your facts right. They were protesting about changes Abbott is making.

    Nothing about Gillard at all.

    Neil, there is much more coming, and if you have children, I would begin worrying. That is if you care for education.

  78. Neil, name the changes they are protesting about. Just saying one is wrong, is not enough.

    By the way, Abbott is not changing the changes Gillard made, when it comes to Tertiary Education. They are just making more.

    They were protesting about the prospect of selling off HECs. Nothing to do with Labor.

    So, please list what they are protesting about.

  79. Nil of Sydney @ November 3, 2013 @ 12:24 am
    I know it is pointless to ask, but what is your source of information and how does it justify that you support it?

  80. STUDENTS have marched on Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s Sydney office to protest against a proposal to privatise the HECS debt.

    Education Minister Christopher Pyne has said the coalition government will investigate selling $23 billion of HECS debt to the private sector to generate budget savings.

    The move has angered the National Union of Students, which says privatising higher education loans will leave debt subject to interest rate increases and result in higher repayments.

    It has pledged to fight any increases to HECS fees and student services.

    NUS president Jade Tyrell says privatisation will create a more uncertain future for university students, as will proposed cuts to compulsory student fees that go towards non-academic services.

    “Abbott and Pyne need to keep their hands off education, keep student service and amenities fees and retain equity targets to to help ensure access to education for all,” she said.

    Landal Butler was among a small group of students rallying outside the University of Technology, Sydney, on Wednesday before marching to the PM’s office.

    She said higher fees would force many students out of universities.

    “Its a huge deterrent for students going into university when fees are higher,” she told AAP.

    The protest are part of a national week af action taking place in Melbourne, Sydney and Adel………

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/students-protest-over-hecs-plans/story-e6frgcjx-1226749933564

  81. Students burn Tony Abbott effigy, chase Joe Hockey in heated protest outside Parliament

    STUDENTS have clashed with police in a dramatic protest outside State Parliament this afternoon over proposed federal funding cuts to higher education.

    The protesters burnt an effigy of Prime Minister Tony Abbott and threw shoes at Liberal Party headquarters in a rally against proposed federal funding cuts to higher education.

    About 100 student protesters gathered outside parliament house in Spring St before the group marched into the c.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/students-burn-tony-abbott-effigy-chase-joe-hockey-in-heated-protest-outside-parliament/story-fni0fit3-1226749705640

    Nothing about Gillard here.

  82. Nothing here either. Neil, could it be, you have it wrong?

    “………..”.Students are marching on Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s Sydney office to protest against plans to privatise the HECS debt.
    Play Video
    9RAW: Students show support for fired gay teacher

    Fears HECS plan could increase student debt
    Govt to investigate HECS sell off: Pyne
    Greens oppose HECS debt sale
    Education Minister Christopher Pyne has said the coalition government will investigate selling $23 billion of HECS debt to the private sector to generate budget savings.
    The move has angered the National Union of Students, which says privatising higher education loans will leave debt subject to interest rate increases and result in higher repayments.
    It has pledged to fight any increases to HECS fees and student services.
    NUS president Jade Tyrell says privatisation will create a more uncertain future for university students, as will proposed cuts to compulsory student fees that go towards non-academic services.
    “Abbott and Pyne need to keep their hands off education, keep student service and amenities fees and retain equity targets to to help ensure access to education for all,” she said.
    Landal Butler was among a small group of students rallying outside the University of Technology, Sydney, on Wednesday before marching to the PM’s office.
    She said higher fees would force many students out of universities.
    “Its a huge deterrent for students going into university when fees are higher,” she told AAP.
    The protest are part of a national week af action taking place in Melbourne, Sydney and Adelai.”

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/10/30/13/45/students-protest-over-hecs-plans

  83. The new Parliament has not even sat.

    Surely you people are not saying these students were protesting against things which may/might happen when the new Parliament sits??

    They were protesting against cuts that Gillard introduced and blaming Abbott for them.

  84. Well Nil, Fed up has kindly shown shown some sources of information. Can you advise us if you support these reports, and most important, why is that you support it, or in whatever you choose to show us, that you are correct?
    Shine or flop kid. Time to show your metal or whimper.

  85. Neil, grow up. How far is that head in the sand. I have just gave you three reports. Nothing abut Gillard.

    What has parliament not sitting, got to do with what has occurred.

  86. No, these students remind me of deadbeats like Tony Kevin who set up monuments when asylum seekers drowned when Howard was in power but for some strange reason was silent for SIX years when Gillard was in power. And many more people drowned under Gillard than anyone else.

    And now the Coalition is in power and out they all come.

    Yeah right. The students are protesting about what Abbott may/ may not do when Abbotts first Parliament sits. Too funny.

  87. I guess he/she actually had to go and try to find information to show they are correct. I am going to bed. It’ll be a while. Night Fed up and all others.

  88. I am being kind. I am pointing out, he has made a mistake. Do not want to see him, going aground repeating it, making a fool of himself.

    Would rather discuss debt with him.

  89. What concerns me more, is how the police are reacting to those who protest. I hope we do not get a repeat on November 17th, when I believe many will be out.

    Yes, Neil, only dead beats protest. I will be one, in spite of your beliefs,

  90. So let me get this right. These students are protesting about what may/may not happen when the new Parliament sits.

    If this is so perhaps they should wait and find out what will happen??

    And they are all labor supporters because they did not protest when Gillard cut University funding.

  91. Nil of Sydney @ November 3, 2013 @ 1:40 am
    OMG! ROFL
    Don’t worry Nil. We know your incapable. Just sit in the Dunce corner and try to look……..pre……forget it. Just don’t talk. LOL
    You have absolutely nothing at all to contribute to the Human Race, of anything of worth. You just suck on it.

  92. Nil, in a historical context, you are wonderful modern example of a mindset and attitude that makes a remarkable good tool for population and conformity control.

    In the past, the people that you well exemplify so well, were known for their arguments being shallow and circuitous, but with little substance to support their point of reason for what they did, except a common theme. They were a part of a group, of which they felt an acceptance/belonging through a sought after bonding of like minds, which empowered them out of feelings of insignificance, hatred, powerlessness into a feeling of usefulness, being needed and becoming something powerful that fed on the hatred and disgruntlement which had to find an outlet for their rage, onto some victim they had no affinity with. It was totally unpalatable to their minds to accept that they could be any part of what is very wrong in their world. They really believed they were a force of Good and Justice, but what they did was a crime against humanity. They were Hitler’s Brown Shirts and Mussolini’s Black Shirts. Thugs in a Mob Rule deliverance of their approved “justice”. I won’t give it a capital “J” as it wasn’t. They were a cheap enthusiastic police to enforce another person’s doctrine, of which they had no real understanding from whence it really came and what it’s purpose really was framed-worked to be.

    I knew people who had them in their Families (they were loath to admit it, but they were interested by my honest unjudging interest of their history, so they shared it warts and all with me, in my time living in Germany and visiting a friend in Italy, whose Parents grew up with it all) and these characteristics they advised of, you have just displayed part thereof.

    Your words are your knife now (blunt as they are), but do, please, be careful, for a day will come when a sacrifice and baptism will be asked of you, from which there is no return to where you now are. Choose wisely and with deep thought, for like those in the past, your life’s outcome will depend on it, as will many others.

  93. No, it is about what Abbott and his motley crew are saying they intend to do.

    I know one should question anything that comes out of their mouths, but is would be stupid to wait until they have achieved their miserable agenda.

    Trouble is, on this day, the 46th of this government, we still do not know what they intend to do, as they have taken themselves off to their bunkers. This is, and looks like belong one of the most secretive governments this fair land of ours has experienced.

  94. Neil, do you recall Mr. Abbott, as Opposition leader promised us a revolt. Yes he did all in his power to get protesters to Canberra. Promised there would be an uprising against Labor. Even with the assistance of Ms. Mirabella, his convoys and protest meetings were an abject failure. He could not get the public behind him.

  95. Neil, what we have seen from the right side of the fence, is not strikes and protests of workers and the low pay.

    What one has seen, is a strike using capital. They have their lobbyist that do things behind closed doors. Remember the photo of Mr. Hockey., engrossed in conversation width Mr. Murdoch for over ten minutes. Yes, that is how the other side of the fence work.
    What about the outrage and millions of dollars spent by the mining lobby, to prevent the MRRT. Look at the outrage, when asked to pay to clean up the pollution and damage they cause by carbon emissions.

    Yes, we at the bottom, that is low income earners have only one weapon to defend ourselves. Yes, that is by standing together, fighting for our rights.

  96. Secondly, I say something like this: “I’m sure you’ve heard the expression ‘everyone is entitled to their opinion.’ Perhaps you’ve even said it yourself, maybe to head off an argument or bring one to a close. Well, as soon as you walk into this room, it’s no longer true. You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to what you can argue for.”

    A bit harsh? Perhaps, but philosophy teachers owe it to our students to teach them how to construct and defend an argument – and to recognize when a belief has become indefensible.

    The problem with “I’m entitled to my opinion” is that, all too often, it’s used to shelter beliefs that should have been abandoned. It becomes shorthand for “I can say or think whatever I like” – and by extension, continuing to argue is somehow disrespectful. And this attitude feeds, I suggest, into the false equivalence between experts and non-experts that is an increasingly pernicious feature of our public discourse.

    Firstly, what’s an opinion?

    Plato distinguished between opinion or common belief (doxa) and certain knowledge, and that’s still a workable distinction today: unlike “1+1=2” or “there are no square circles,” an opinion has a degree of subjectivity and uncertainty to it. But “opinion” ranges from tastes or preferences, through views about questions that concern most people such as prudence or politics, to views grounded in technical expertise, such as legal or scientific opinions.

    You can’t re………………

    ……………….So next time you hear someone declare they’re entitled to their opinion, ask them why they think that. Chances are, if nothing else, you’ll end up having a more enjoyable conversation that way…………….

    https://theconversation.com/no-youre-not-entitled-to-your-opinion-9978

    What is the difference between one’s opinion, and one’s prejudices?

  97. We have, as the Libs says. electricity Bill. Do we also have, as I see it, no action Abbott.

    The two economists that suppurated Direct Action, did so, as they seen it as no action.

    Will the rerun of the senate elections be about that great big toxic tax, or will it be about CEF versus Direct Action.

    Matthias Cormann stepping up in a few minutes on ABC 24. Musy believe he has SOMETHING OF VALUE TO TELL US.

    Suspect it will be more of a con effort.

  98. Yes, all we do on these site, is to call spades, a spade. Sometimes they are more like a bull dozer, with the damage they leave in their wake,

  99. Fed UP – opinion is generally based on prejudices and assumptions. I agree that the only people entitled to their opinion are those that can present facts or reasoned arguments to back up their opinions.
    Cass

  100. Mattjhias. of course, their favourite topic. Carbon tax,

    Building a straw house, set on sand.

    Telling Shorten what he should do. Why not tell us, what they intend to do. Yes, some words re Direct Action would be good for starters.

    Once again,., replaying election campaign, of the last three or four ureas.

    Matthias, what are you going to do?

  101. Not being asked any question on that great big toxic carbon tax. Being asked about what they are doing.

    Talking about being open and transparent before the elections.

    If so, why is all s hidden now?

    Small business are asking that they reverse their decision to claw back Gillard’s relief to small business, that goes with the MRRT.

    Very clear and transparent this government.

    Finance minister, not talking about economy. That is a matter for treasury.

    Asking about travel entitlements.

    Does not seem to have anything of value to tell us.

    Still on about how bad Labor was.

    I suspect he will now hasten off. Believes he has answered questions. Shame is, he did not,.

    Not being allowed to get away.

    Getting a little cranky.

  102. Yes, is the supposition that the Commission is based on correct,. Has government become to big?

    If not, what are they on about?

    “…………………. supposition behind the Commonwealth’s Commission of Audit is that government has become “too large”.

    The first paragraph of the Commission’s terms of reference sets the context, stating:

    During this time [the last 20 years] the size of the Commonwealth government has expanded significantly, as has the remit of some of its activities.
    It provides no support for this statement. In terms of what one would generally use as indicators of the “size” of government – receipts and payments – the evidence is lacking. See the graph below. Over the last 20 years there is no upward (or downward) trend. The variations in receipts and payments are what one would expect from governments applying counter-cyclical management through successive business cycles, while keeping the “size” of government roughly constant.
    …..”

    http://theconversation.com/the-commission-of-audits-first-job-should-be-to-kill-itself-off-19619?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+4+November+2013&utm_content=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+4+November+2013+CID_d331b710dc449708073406d1cea118ff&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=The%20Commission%20of%20Audits%20first%20job%20should%20be%20to%20kill%20itself%20off

  103. Yes, starting with themselves is not a bad idea.

    “.Perhaps the best way the Commission of Audit can discharge its role, which includes consideration of duplication, is to point to the existence of these bodies of review and to wind up its own operations before incurring any public expense…….”

    http://theconversation.com/the-commission-of-audits-first-job-should-be-to-kill-itself-off-19619?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+4+November+2013&utm_content=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+4+November+2013+CID_d331b710dc449708073406d1cea118ff&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=The%20Commission%20of%20Audits%20first%20job%20should%20be%20to%20kill%20itself%20off

    All these inquiries, that this government have set up, will be coming to fruition about the same time, as the rerun of th WA senate elections.

    Also a few high court decisions, in other areas will be delivered.

    Suspect by then, it will be a completely mew political games and climate. One that Abbott loses control of.

  104. I have read, that it is not only the public and media this government not open and transparent with.

    It appears there is even less communications between the ministers and their departments,

    So much so, that the government departments have come to a halt, as they do not know what the ministers want them to do.

    Yes, it is said,, the only message the government has got through, is a threat, that the Departments bet not fuck it up for the ministers.

    If that is true, things will be a normal with this government, That is they will not, or intend not, to take responsibility for their own failures.

    There has to be many, if they do not heed advice given to them.

    Yes, sometimes, those doing the work, see unexpected outcomes, that those who believe they know all, miss.

  105. One wonders what Tones will get up to tomorrow on ‘Guy Fawkes Day’. 😆
    One wonders if ‘The Lodge’ has a cellar 😉 😮

  106. “…………That seems to be the problem. Tony Abbott does not seem to realise he is now Prime Minister and talking to the community and answering questions comes with the job. He cannot continue with the old “After three years of Labour (…)” forever. At some point it will be impossible for him to run away.

    Given the quality of non-government that Australia somehow elected last September maybe three years of a comatose prime minister is the best we can hope for.

    Internationally he could avoid upsetting Indonesia again, or anyone else. At home he might still be ‘thinking’ about the economy and not do anything stuff it up. In three years there might still be enough time to do something about global warming provided he does nothing to make it worse. Dare I think that if Abbott does not come out of his comma we might even survive in a state that can be fixed?

    But I do feel sorry for him. Imagine the trauma of wanting to be Prime Minister so much that he was willing to sacrifice and destroy a good government, a good economy and a good country to get the job and then not know what to do. It is probably a little early to suggest that he needs to be led away by persons in white coats but if he does not show sentient signs soon it is a possibility.”

    http://yosefalbric.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/does-anyone-else-feel-sorry-for-tony-abbott/

  107. I cannot see why one would think that Ms. Gillard has not been doing it great great since leaving parliament.

    There is more in life than politics, even being PM.

    Ms. Gillard, since she resigned has been feted in this country and on the world stage.

    Seems to be doing OK.

  108. Oh Please FU..tell us more..we wait with baited breath to hear how that cow Juliar is doing, on her unearned thieving pension….I’ll also bet that disgusting foulmouth Rudd the multi millionaire is still milking the system as well.

  109. Does not seem to be relying on her pension. In fact has taken on one role, at a SA university for no pay. important positioon, where she can continue to contribute to society.

    Money does not appear to be her goal.

    Yes, I am sorry for those who hate the woman, and wanted her gone. They are going to be , no are being, sadly disappointed.

    Yes, that pension has allowed her to make decisions, that not rely on income.

  110. “…From climate change to asylum seekers, animal welfare to trade agreements, the Abbott Government thinks that what we don’t know can’t hurt us. The problem is, this just delays the pain, writes Mungo MacCallum.

    It is now clear that the underlying principle of the Abbott Government is to be ignorance: not only are the masses to be kept as far as possible in the dark, but the Government itself does not want to know.

    Thus last week, in the wake of more disturbing pictures of the mistreatment of Australia’s live animal exports on ABC television, the Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce declared that he had cancelled the previous government’s plans for an independent inspector of animal welfare; to hear the facts from a qualified and impartial observer would only confuse him. After all, he already knew what he was going to do and he did not need any distractions.

    This, of course, follows logically from the Government’s approach to climate change. Having already en………….

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-04/maccallum-our-ignorance-wont-stay-blissful-forever/5067688

    As Mr. Cormann said today, a open and transparent government.

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    Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull claims those affected are actually the victims of Labor’s “lies and spin”.

    “(The Labor government) had a metric which said that construction had commenced at the point plans were called for,” he told Network Ten on Sunday.

    “This is the equivalent of saying you had started construction on a new house, from the moment you called your architect and asked her to do a sketch plan.”

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  112. Omnia quaerite @ November 4, 2013 @ 7:22 pm
    I see your so jealous you have never been so successful in life as them, Ominous Questionable. What a shame!
    If it makes you feel better, we could reward you with a gold painted turd for your outstanding achievements and contributions to the human experience. Or would you prefer to be presented with a half rotted gall bladder from a road kill Kanga, which wonderfully expresses the morbidity that all feel in your uninspiring, and rather morose, mentally depleted presence.
    I don’t know many people that have a goal in life to be uninspiring. But you do it so damn well! Congratulations on being so uninspiring. I know it comes with such effort, considering that it must hurt to bang those only two brain neurons you so treasure so much, to construct a sentence that really is just full of crap to the rest of humanity.
    Now please do tell, who told you Latin existed as a language and helped you to Google it. You do know what Google is don’t you? Well, well, well, Discover a well of stuff that you didn’t know. There is soooo much more to know, than what Rupert tells you so! Go on, be brave. See if you can manufacture another brain neuron to treble your intellect, that you regularly fail to show any of to the human race.
    Blimey guys and Gals, I’m starting to believe we have another Nil of Sociopathic gutlessness. One is funny, even though distasteful. But two? Napalm them? It would be humane, to the rest of mankind.

  113. http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s3867285.htm

    http://homestaynetwork.org/cpn

    “A decision has recently been made by the Australian Homestay Network (AHN) to temporarily suspend both the Community Placement Network (CPN) and the Homestay Helping Hand (HHH) programs, due to the ongoing instability of the programs based on current policies which make it unviable for the Australian Homestay Network and their Hosts to participate.

    We believe the success of these programs has proven the model for asylum seeker settlement and AHN will be ready to start these valuable programs back up when the political situation in Australia allows”

    http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2013/11/03/Where-on-earth-is-Lampedusa.aspx

  114. The previous and current Australian Governments both claim to take the high moral ground on a number of issues with self-confessed practising Christians as the last two respective Prime Ministers. When the Italians who receive a higher number of asylum seekers per annum than we do are so upset about the unnecessary death of over 300 people – as they should be – what is this country’s excuse for using asylum seekers as a ‘tough on crime’ issue in a similar way to how various state governments are using ‘outlaw’ motor bike groups?

    What happened to ‘do unto others’?

    How does our treatment of asylum seekers in the 21st century demonstrate the fabled ‘help a mate’ attitude of Australians?

    Why are immigrants to Australia victimised when we are all descended from immigrants?

    Why are asylum seekers a domestic political issue?

    Probably the saddest thing about this issue is that so-called Christian politicians, who claim to value human life, are so blinded by the domestic political opportunity they forget a fundamental belief they claim to live their lives by – ‘do unto others as you wish them to do to you’ – and have convinced a significant proportion of the population of the merits of the case.

    http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2013/11/03/Where-on-earth-is-Lampedusa.aspx

  115. Misnomer @ 7:22 pm

    What about the undeserving and devious Howard then?

    The most expensive ex-PM ever, costing more than all the other living ex-PM’s combined each year by a massive margin, with Fraser second to him.

    The ex-Labor PM’s and pollies are considerably more frugal and suck far less off the public teat than ex-Liberal PM’s and pollies, whose elitist thinking has them believe the country owes them all they can suck out of it.

    For stuff’s sake, Abbott cost more as LOTO than Gillard as PM, so you can’t talk about Gillard sucking the public teat when Abbott not only sucked it for all he could get but rorted it. I have no doubt Abbott will turn out to be the most expensive serving and ex-PM this country has ever seen, making Howard look like a pauper in retirement.

    You’re a laugh a post as you lamely attempt to can Labor for things the corrupt side you blindly and mindlessly support are far worse at on every point.

  116. Bacchus @ November 5, 2013 @ 8:08 am
    What you have posted is what is disgusting me about what the peoples of our Nation have become. I wish I could dismount from this Merry-Go-Round of inhumane horror we have put into gear. I am embarrassed and ashamed of who we are.
    Thank you for posting that information as it has made me less alone in a sea of rising hatred being promoted by Australia’s Main Stream Media.

  117. Boat arrivals does not harm me in any way. As Murdoch says, we need skilled migrants.

    Why not take them from that huge pool of refugees that are eager to get our shores.
    What worries me, is the infrastructure that Labor has put in place, that has been dismantled by this government/

    Yes, state of the art broadband. Skill training programmes.. The CEF legislation that protects out environment, and leads to this century technology. that leads to higher productivity.

    I want to see Gonski continued..

    I fear a government that only has plans, and is focused on dismantling all that has been achieved over the last two terms of government.

    I want a PM that is held in high esteem on the world stage,m not one that is ridiculed wherever he goes. Not one, that the President of the USA did not consider it worth while, to pick up the phone and congratulate him on winning the polls.

    Most of all, I want a PM, that does not stick his head up the arse of Murdoch.

    I want a PM that is interested in the Asian Century, and governing for this century, not the last, or in some cases, the one before,

    I want a PM, that has the guts to come out of his bunker, and tells us what he is doing.

    Further more, I expect hint to answer our questions and concerns.

    I want a PM that has the nous to listen to experts, before making decisions.

    As for the pause in the boat trade. Most can be linked back to the fact, Rudd put in place, that mechanism that Gillard has been working on, before Rudd took over for the second time. Yes, is was Gillard that visited countries in our regions, leading up tho the PNG solution.

    Yes, we now have Indonesia telling Abbott what they really think of him.

    Yes, refugees are important, and how they are treated counts. No way are they the most important problems facing this country.

  118. TiB @ November 5, 2013 @ 9:57 am

    The credit for that should go to 2353 (sometimes Whisperer). The Lampedusa tragedy really brought home the different approaches we take compared to the Italians. 2353 has covered the topic well. Here we demonise them, call them “illegals” and pretend they’re not real people, while the Italians propose to hold state funerals, and increase surveillance in the seas to try to stop more drownings by assisting asylum seekers – not by trying to stop people from coming…

  119. I must say, my interest was piqued on Sunday evening when Compass came on ABC. I don’t normally watch this show (it’s usually about some aspect of religion) but I put my tuner onto ABC1 ready for the 7:00pm news and this was on.

    I had spent time over the previous couple of days preparing 2353’s article for posting over at TPS, so the topic was fresh in my mind. The concept of seeing these asylum seekers as real people with real feelings and needs is quite foreign in the Australia media – this program humanised what the government is trying to demonise. I reckon this program should be compulsory viewing by all right-whingers, especially the , prime Mminister, the immigration minister, and the foreign minister…

  120. ” Here we demonise them, call them “illegals” and pretend they’re not real people, while the Italians propose to hold state funerals, and increase surveillance in the seas to try to stop more drownings by assisting asylum seekers – not by trying to stop people from coming…”

    Bacchus, the same mechanism is applied to the Labor party, and anyone that disagrees WITH Abbott and Co.

    This government are o different from the many visitors we get to these sites. Never discuss what is put up, but spend their time,

    Alternative view to increasing migration. Migration in general, not just boat people.

    We have seen I believe, a drop in 457 visas of up to 30%, since Gillard made changes to the rules. Yes, just asking employers to seek Australian workers first, has bought about this change. Could this be the reason, that employment rates have remain steady, with little increase in unemployment, as expect by many.

    Migration is about much more that boat people and refugees.

    I am not sure what the answer is, but commonsense tells one, that one cannot keep increasing population, or for that matter, ongoing, unlimited growth.

    What Kelvin Thompson, ALP, has to say.

    http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/20761#.UnhEmVz4L-V

  121. This interest me more, than a few people fleeing from danger, who have much to offer this country.

    Abbott and Co are so busy being methodical, steady…. that they are in danger of doing nothing, allowing the baby to be tossed out with the bat water.
    The rest of the world will not sit around while they fiddle around, dealing with one problem at time.

    We have a PM, that demands he be given ten days notice. of any policy that a minister takes to cabinet.

    Sounds more like procrastination to me. The inability to understand, or make a decision.

    “……Australia’s automotive industry is not some problem child, outstaying its welcome and bleeding its parents dry, and co-investment between the government and the industry is certainly not a dirty word, despite what the neo-Liberals would have you think.
    The automotive industry is a major employer and significant contributor to the national economy. But it is in crisis. Without an urgent commitment from the government, it could all be over by Christmas, and they know it. An industry that survived the global financial crisis could disappear because of the inaction by the Abbott government.
    Cutting $500 million in government co-investment is not the answer. A Productivity Commission review as a political fix to postpone a decision until after next year’s South Australian election will likely be nothing more than a post-mortem.
    The Prime Minister said last week he wanted to create new jobs and protect existing jobs. But he will put the 46,000 Australians who are directly employed by the automotive industry out of work and threaten the livelihoods of another 200,000 who depend on it. He won’t create jobs, he will destroy them. At a time when the mining boom is cooling off and the rate of economic growth is slowing, this is the last thing Australia’s economy can afford.
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    The biggest problem for the automotive industry when it comes to the Abbott cabinet is their mindset. They oppose industry policy as a matter of principle and become downright apoplectic when it comes to the automotive industry.
    They argue that taxpayers shouldn’t be ”propping up” a failing industry. That idea is a fallacy, propagated by those who don’t understand manufacturing and don’t understand the relationship between government and industry.
    The question is not, can Australia afford an automotive industry? The real question is, can Australia afford to see this industry fail? And the answer is no.
    There have been at least four academic studies into the con………….”

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/party-politics-driving-our-car-industry-over-a-cliff-20131104-2wwux.html#ixzz2jjKfwH45

    Indonesian FM, is saying enough is enough. Cannot help but agree with him.

    ABC 24.

  122. Who is whacko?

    “…………..Tony Abbott recently pronounced the former government ”wacko”. The Prime Minister was not referring to Rudd’s campaign of Count of Monte Cristoesque vengeance, or to Gillard’s bizarre ”real Julia” gambit, or abandonment of single parents to Newstart. No, for Abbott, what’s certifiable is the Labor Party’s national broadband network.
    Abbott told The Washington Post that his government is ”changing the objective from fibre to every premise in the country to fibre to distribution points.” From madness to sanity, yes?
    Well, not quite. Since the Coalition announced this plan, industry experts have noted that the fibre-to-the-node technology will be slower and less consistent than Labor’s fibre-to-the-premises plan. The FTTN’s copper lines have a narrower bandwidth, lose signal strength with distance, are less durable and have limited potential for upgrade…..”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/broadband-view-out-of-whack-with-experts-20131103-2wul2.html#ixzz2jjO3U3u7

  123. I suspect that Abbott actually believes his spin., He believes that everything Labor does is wrong. Therefor nothing achieved over the last six years, and some of the legislation from the Hawke/Keating era must go.

    All decisions are being made on ideology. Ideology not of Menzies, bit of Santamaria’s DLP party..

    “……Put simply: Abbott is committed to this caricature of his political rivals, or he at least believes that this portrait will sell as well abroad as it has domestically.
    Either way, this picture is worrying. It does not suggest practical wisdom: a knack for responding to milieu and ambiguity. It suggests an evangelist or apparatchik, for whom the world is neatly divided into us and them, goodies and baddies, my common sense and their lunacy. There is nothing necessarily ”conservative” about this view – one only has to read Alasdair MacIntyre or Michael Oakeshott to recognise the nuance of the best conservative thinking. Instead, Abbott’s slur suggests that word so often reserved as an insult for the left: ideology….”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/broadband-view-out-of-whack-with-experts-20131103-2wul2.html#ixzz2jjOZPrSh

    In other words, Abbott is still fighting the battles of his Uni days. One where he was neither Labor or Liberal.

  124. So many lies and misinformation.

    “.The verdict

    The Federal Government’s move to raise Australia’s national debt limit from $300 billion to $500 billion does not signal a debt ceiling crisis in Australia, but it does signify that the current debt limit will be exceeded later this year. Allowing that to happen without prior legislative authority would create uncertainty.

    However, Mr Hockey overreached when he compared that prospect with recent events in the United States. Given the fundamental differences in the two political systems, the “tremendous uncertainty” experienced in the US would not be mirrored here.

    In addition, comparing the capacity of each country to “live within its means” ignores that Australia has borrowed much less for the size of its economy than the US has…..”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-04/joe-hockey-australia-us-debt-ceiling-comparison/5050616

  125. Ominous Questionable @ November 5, 2013 @ 7:24 am “Boat arrivals Oct 2012 under alp = 2,237. Oct 2013 under Abbott = $327. How about that hey!”

    At least if your going to post such information, you could at least frame your statement within a reference, such as what your value on a human life is worth in AU$, what you believe is a better outcome and why you believe it is so.
    Somehow, I don’t believe you would have the guts to do it Ominous Questionable.

  126. Tech, afraid they are incapable of putting an argument up. Just statements, they take out of context, and believe mean something.

    I believe most are now not so concerned of the numbers coming, but the secrecy and the inhuman way they are treating these people.

    How can one justify keeping two adolescents in isolation. Why not billet them out, to families on the island, if they need protection.

    No one that I know of, were happy with Labor’s effort over the last few years, but were willing to accept that the actions that needed to be done. What this government has done, is put Howard’s secret and inhuman practices back into operation. I for one, fail to see why?

    From what we are hearing, from leaders in our region, the cooperation that has been given, is in danger of collapsing.

  127. Fu, I expected no less. I predicted exactly this to friends.
    But it now hinges on how much UKUSA is willing to sacrifice us on the alter of convenience for their net benefit, whilst giving rest of the world a knife to use for a sacrificial revenge on us, but indemnity for them for assistance. Better something to get even, than nothing.
    UKUSA own us anyway, so they have nothing to lose except bothersome Aussies. They’ll hold the land and repopulate with their own if we resist. Our new Government will assist however they are told to. Our Geopolitical placement is too critical for them to cede anything that could be contrary to their Interests.

  128. It now appears the two adolescents were sent to Manus by accident. Yes, this government actually makes mistakes. Wonders will never cease.

  129. I can hear the squeals of denials now! “It wasn’t Liberal that did it, it’s wot Labor did that did it!
    Yeah, and we believe everything the Government and their Propaganda MSM (Ministry of Truth) say. LOL Grimm’s Fairy Tales has a closer ring to the truth these days. Wot a laugh!

  130. Steven Subhash James

    October 31, 2013 @ 12:21 pm

    I feel it,.. protests, uprising, revolution, whatever it is, i can feel it. but for it to work it better be huge. and on going. but no violence. we just need a charismatic leader to inspire the masses.

    You feel it alright. It certainly won’t be you hash. Doubtful you’d raise the bus fare to the big smoke….lol

  131. “………………..Last Monday at 12.30pm he met with Immigration Department officials at the detention centre. He pleaded his case. He asked that if they won’t let him live here then let him go to Switzerland with his wife and child. They shrugged their shoulders and said they could do nothing. He told them he couldn’t cope any more. He was losing his mind. They got up and left an hour later.

    He went immediately back to his room and picked up a rope he had hidden away. He went to a nearby area he had surveyed earlier. It had a cross-beam sturdy enough to do what he needed to do.

    When they cut him down, they tried to force him to take medication. He refused. He said he wants to die. It is the only way out. After years of daily persecution and terror in Sri Lanka, he came to a country he thought was rich, not so much with money but kindness. Now he knows he was wrong…….

    https://newmatilda.com/2013/11/01/hanging-detention

    What type of people are we?

  132. Meanwhile (looking at FU’s comment at 7.12pm), here’s Abbott blundering blindly into a foreign land (economics) and giving us the Prime Ministerial opinion on how he sees things:

    “If we are going to get debt under control, if we are going to get the budget under control – back into the black – yes, inevitably, things will have to change,” Abbott said last month.

    “There will be some things the public don’t like but I think the public understands the government has been living beyond its means. We can’t continue. And that’s why, amongst other things, we are having this commission of audit.”

    There are quite a few economists (and hopefully the better-informed laity) hearing this who would be be shaking their heads in bewilderment, wondering how such a boofhead ever got to be the PM of this country.

  133. Fed up @ November 5, 2013 @ 8:00 pm “What type of people are we?”
    We are petulant spoiled children, who are greedy and self-centered. We all deserve to have our toys taken away, our pocket money confiscated and learn what is is like to do without, like so much of the rest of the world’s people are having to do, so we learn how good we really have it.
    Most of all, we have to learn to stop whinging about it all the time like those 1 to 2% of the über Rich, that whinge every time they don’t get what they want and then pay millions of dollars to Media Corporations to shove their whinge down our throat to teach us a lesson that we have to take care of them, because they said so, or else!
    I think that embarrassingly says pretty much the state of Australians and their behavior over the last decade or so. Not all of them, but a fair whack of the population.
    I am so embarrassed to be a Australian these days.

  134. Tech, cannot help but agree. I am not embarrassed by Australia, just by some that are mislead in their belief, they have the ability to lead.

    One must keep in mind, there is always another election no more than three years down the track.

    One can forget about a DD. Nearly impossible to pull off, even if the man had the guts.

    A half senate election in WA might make things difficult for Abbott. Will be like most by electioneers in the lower house. A chance to voice ones displeasure with a sitting government, knowing that nothing much will change.

    Memories of both Rudd and Gillard appear to be sinking quickly into the ether.

    Seem to have a squeaky noise in the background. Better ignored, I believe.

  135. More money rorting exposed in the Abbott government. As the Liberals are innately greedy and have a mentality that leads them to believe they should be able to take from the public purse whatever they want whilst at the same time taking away from socially disadvantaged because they don’t deserve it, expect more of this rorting and theft by Abbott ministers to be exposed.

    Then we Howard arcing up in the UK. My god what an embarrassment he is and what an absolute dinosaur.

  136. Ominous Questionable @ November 5, 2013 @ 9:05 pm
    Considering what you normally serve up, what you have shown you believe in, your utter contempt for those you do not know and the general population of the World, I’ll take that as a compliment coming from you. Thank you for your compliment Ominous Questionable.

  137. The truth… (my bold)

    Abbott returned from his trip humbled and empty-handed. While the episode had been a disaster, he was spared the full embarrassment. A still-fawning press bought the distracting spin. Meanwhile, the previous government’s PNG solution began working, allowing Abbott to quietly backtrack from his commitments while taking credit for fewer boats.

    Abbot has yet to bring in a single item of his boats policy nor allocate a single cent in funding to it. The only thing he is doing different up until now is shrouding the whole thing in secrecy and deceit, whereas the previous Labor government was completely open and honest. If Rudd/Gillard had made their information on boats secret you wouldn’t have heard the end of it, including from the hypocrite right wingers here who are silent over Abbott doing it. For some reason they don’t seem to mind being lied to and deceived all the time by this government.

    In the meantime Abbott and his bumbling ministers are proving to be the worst diplomats and representatives on the foreign stage this country has ever seen. Amateur doesn’t get close to describing these cock ups. Soon after Abbott was royally fobbed off, then Morrison was given short shrift, Bishop the younger is now making her third visit since the election in yet another effort to patch the rift they’ve created with Indonesia, that started before they were in government but has been made far worse since they got government.

  138. We have Hockey today, reversing all of Labors effort to close tax loop holes for the higher income earners.

    Yes, it is clear, Hockey will give to higher income earners and industry, by taking away benefits from the low income earners.

  139. If there is anything that Labor can mess up, they will do so with ease.

    Gillard was all at sea about how to stop the boats. Her own party were full of criticism about her slack approach and sloppiness. It was the beginning of her demise and a return to the idiot.

    By comparison, Morrison is doing a great job. By November 6th 2012, 10 boats arrived carrying 640 people. This November, none. Zilch, zip, nada, nil. Not one. This could not be done without the co-operation of the Indonesian Govt who support Abbott. The loathed Rudd and rightly so.

    Looks as though the LNP will indeed “stop the boats”…..again!

    …just like the majority of Australians expect.

  140. Let’s play a little game 🙂 Although there is an element of all of the descriptions given, which one, from this link, most closely defines the behaviour of the latest under-bridge dweller visiting us atm?

  141. My vote goes to number 5. 🙂

    …souless bastards, touched by daddy/priest, and in the stead of coping with that trauma in a healthy way, take out their aggression, anger, impotence, frustration on others.

    -have problems forming real-life relationships; have a hard time attracting members of the opposite/same sex,generally introverts.

  142. Who do we put our faith in?

    “……he development is aimed at debunking the Coalition claim that it is more effective and less costly than an internationally linked emissions trading scheme.
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    It comes as the Australian Industry Group called for ACCC understanding over any failures by business to drop prices once the carbon tax is stripped out.
    The peak employer body warned that many of the costs of the carbon tax had not been passed on to consumers, meaning its repeal might not produce the reductions in electricity and other prices promised by the Abbott government.
    In a new submission to the government’s carbon tax repeal process, Ai Group CEO Innes Willox said the prospect that the repeal would be delayed beyond June next year also presented major compliance problems for employers.
    He cited a 2013 survey of members that found 70 per.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-climate-plan-to-be-tested-20131105-2wzfh.html#ixzz2jqJZk1Po

  143. Will electricity be cheaper. I suspect Not.

    ‘……….Tony Abbott’s claim that his ”direct action” policy would cut national greenhouse gas output by 5 per cent within the decade through tree plantings and paying polluters to cut emissions, is to be tested in public hearings designed to prove it is a waste of money.
    Greens leader Christine Milne will unveil plans on Wednesday to establish a full Senate inquiry into the $3.2 billion direct action program with a view to taking expert evidence from scientists and economists as well as from key industry representatives.
    The development is aimed at debunking the Coalition claim that it is more effective and less costly than an internationally linked emissions trading scheme.
    Advertisement
    It comes as the Australian Industry Group called for ACCC understanding over any failures by business to drop prices once the carbon tax is stripped out.
    The peak employer body warned that many of the costs of the carbon tax had not been passed on to consumers, meaning its repeal might not produce the reductions in electricity and other prices promised by the Abbott government.
    In a new submission to the government’s carbon tax repeal process, Ai Group CEO Innes Willox said the prospect that the repeal would be delayed beyond June next year also presented major compliance problems for employers.
    He cited a 2013 survey of members that found 70 per cent of businesses in the construction, manufacturing and services sectors were unable to pass on any of their carbon-related energy costs to consumers.
    Announcing the repeal of the carbon tax, the government predicted electricity prices would fall by 9 per cent and gas would go down by 7 per cent, wiping $200 off the average power bill and making gas $70 a year cheaper.
    The Greens will move to initiate the Senate inquiry next week when Parliament resumes…”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-climate-plan-to-be-tested-20131105-2wzfh.html#ixzz2jqKbcpmA

  144. Well it appears Abbott can.

    “……Canberra press gallery veteran Laurie Oakes says the Abbott government is “thumbing its nose at voters” through a lack of transparency and communication.
    You can’t thumb your nose at the voters’ right to know and you can’t arrogantly say ‘we’ll let the voters be misinformed and we won’t help journalists get it right’. That’s just a disgusting attitude.

    The respected Channel Nine reporter and political commentator told Fairfax Media that Prime Minister Tony Abbott and senior ministers were breaking their election promise of greater accountability for voters……….

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-thumbing-his-nose-at-voters-says-laurie-oakes-20131106-2x0p8.html#ixzz2jqNHNa9o

  145. I wonder who will maker the biggest mess?

    “…….The prime minister has said the commission is very unlikely to propose tax increases, setting up the proposition that the budget sustainability sought by the new government will be driven by reducing the size of government, eliminating duplication and cutting expenditure.

    The new Essential poll shows 63% of the sample would oppose the sell-off of Australia Post; 59% would oppose the privatisation of the Hecs debt (an option left open by the education minister, Christopher Pyne); 60% would oppose cutting welfare benefits; and 59% would oppose handing control of DisabilityCare to a privatised Medibank Private.

    The poll also suggests mixed public views about the Abbott government’s plans to privatise Medibank Private. Of those questioned, 43% opposed the privatisation, 22% supported it, and 35% didn’t have a view.

    There was, however, strong public support for potential recommendations reducing duplication between the states in areas like education and health (73% were in favour); and the means testing of all welfare benefits (63% support).

    How the Abbot….”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/05/opinion-poll-abbott-audit?CMP=soc_568CMP=soc_568

    We also have our FM Bishop, ignoring what the FM of Indonesia is saying.

  146. How puerile is misnomer? Nya nya not me, him.

    He’s got absolutely nothing and knows it so has fallen back to petty and infantile abuse and Labor strawmen because he certainly has nothing to defend his woeful Liberal party with.

    The worst government ever led by the worst leader ever.

  147. The respected Channel Nine reporter and political commentator told Fairfax Media that Prime Minister Tony Abbott and senior ministers were breaking their election promise of greater accountability for voters……….

    In other words the Liberals LIED.

    Worst government since the Big Bang! Election now!

  148. Climate change ‘exaggerated’, says former Australian PM

    Carbon emissions must be cut ‘significantly’ by 2020, says UN report

    Unconscious satire in two juxtaposed headlines in today’s Guardian.

  149. Mr. Pyne once again proven to be wrong.

    He also made another statement that the UK was privatizing HECs. This is also not true. Yes, it was proposed, but they decided not to go ahead.

    Mr. Pyne needs to read current views and studies on education. Not cherry pick those that fit in with his ideology.

    It is important to follow what Mr. Pyne has to say,. as he intends to dump Gonski for his own misguided beliefs.

    “…………….Consecutive reports by Stanford University’s Centre for Research on Educational Outcomes have shown students from “charter schools” in the United States, which are privately run, publicly funded schools, underperform when compared to equivalent students in traditional public schools.

    Mr Pyne’s office pointed Fact Check to a 2010 OECD report which says: “In countries where schools have greater autonomy over what is taught and how students are assessed, students tend to perform better.”

    The international picture is ambiguous.

    The verdict

    There has been no measured improvement in student outcomes in WA independent public schools. “All international evidence” does not point to the fact that the more autonomous a school, the better the outcomes for students.

    Mr Pyne’s claims are unsubstantiated………

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-06/christopher-pyne-student-outcomes-western-australia/5063342

  150. Thanks for that link to “The Truth about Debt and Deficit” Michael.

    I’m afraid however I’m nearly at a loss for words in how to respond. You’ve obviously posted the link in the belief that it might resonate with my oft expressed frustration here at CW about the subject of debt and deficits but I have to say regretfully that John Kelly’s article is mostly nonsense.

    It is true, as the author states, that “the money game” has become complex and difficult to understand, but your guest seems to have given up trying and instead substituted his lack of understanding with simplistic neo-liberal inventions.

    That in itself is a bit odd as there seems to be a “pro-Left” current running through his essay.

    For starters, this statement “The US is the most vulnerable right now and the only way it can avoid total collapse is to continue borrowing and printing currency is utterly wrong.

    The US is sovereign in its own currency, the monopoly issuer of the US dollar, and can meet all its obligations (apart from a “politically engineered” default as was recently threatened).

    Australia has an identical system of fiat currency and so similar worries about this country’s solvency are equally unfounded, Barnaby Joyce notwithstanding.

    To take Kelly’s post apart line by line would take me more time than I have but I’ll just point out some of the more obvious errors on the subject of banking.

    Firstly, banks don’t lend deposits. This should be obvious when comparing interest income and total deposits. Banks do not make their profits on the spread between interest on deposits and interest on loans. And fractional reserve banking doesn’t contradict that as we no longer have it.

    Second, banks do not borrow from the Reserve Bank for the purpose of funding loans. They may borrow from the “discount window” to meet temporary shortfalls in their reserve requirements, but banks don’t lend reserves either, except between themselves.

    Banks create the funds they lend “out of thin air”. The money so created is limited by their capital and the risk weightings of loans according to international agreement (the Basel Accords) and RBA regulations.

    “The process by which banks create money is so simple that the mind is repelled” (John Kenneth Galbraith)

    Banks need our deposits to meet their reserve and liquidity requirements, to provide hard currency for the trading room, and to simply mop up excess liquidity to restrict non-bank lending and maintain market share. They don’t need our deposits to lend.

    This bit near the end I totally agree with:

    When the GFC hit, private borrowing stopped and only government debt saved us from disaster.

    What a shame Kelly hadn’t left it there and not bothered with the lengthy excursion into the perils of debt, leaving most readers thinking that maybe there really is a problem with debt, when there isn’t (assuming state monopoly on currency).

    There is no functional reason why a government that is the monopoly issuer of the currency needs to borrow to fund its spending. That practice is just a hangover from the days of that “barbarous relic”, the gold standard.

  151. ………….The following Table presents the mainstream propositions that are used by economists and commentators to focus their attack on government spending, deficits, public debt and income support payments for the most disadvantaged workers.

    In the paper we will show that example reinforces several of the main core values that the mainstream paradigm seeks to promote, such as, self-discipline; independence; ambition; wealth and sacrifice.

    Each of these false propositions is backed up by a series of metaphors that disguise the myth.

    The operational reality that MMT offers for each proposition is in column two. The issue is – how to communicate the ideas in the MMT column to the wider public……………

    http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=25961&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+economicoutlook%2FFYvo+%28billy+blog%29

    The following graphic captures some examples of mainstream neo-classical macroeconomic metaphors which are used to reinforce the erroneous propositions summarised in column one of the above Table.

    Table of myths and facts worth a look. Yes, the economy should serve us all. We should not serve it. Yes, it is not only there for big business, as Hockey seems to believe, from his uttering yesterday.

    What we are hearing from this government is pure ideology. They are willing to destroy all, to get what they want.

    Yes, cuts to welfare for the poor. Cuts to taxes for the rich.

    We now know what Abbott means, when he says the country is open for business. Yes, it is open for business to rip all off.

  152. Thanks for the link to Bill Mitchell, FU.

    That particular essay should be mandatory reading for all CW readers. Michael’s guest absolutely should read every word, slowly.

    Just above your copy/paste there’s a useful comparison of neo-liberal bullshit (Hockeynomics) and the reality of Modern Monetary Theory.

    I sometimes say that when reading about MMT for the first time, wear safety boots, for when the penny drops it might hurt your foot.

    It behoves the Left to make an effort to get its collective head around this stuff for nothing will happen until there’s a critical mass of understanding that can no longer be ignored. Apologies for repeating myself.

    Understanding of MMT has made great advances over the last few years mainly due to the blogosphere, but besides yourself, Mobius Ecko, and Bacchus I don’t think anybody else here at CW has taken the trouble, sadly.

  153. “………The strategic review of the NBN is not due for another month, but while its authors are busy assessing the next phase of our biggest-ever infrastructure project, the very ground beneath their feet is shifting.

    Or rather, the copper beneath their feet is corroding.

    And while that slow process continues, rapid changes above ground raise big questions over how much we need copper at all.

    The point of Communication Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s ‘technology agnostic’ approach to the NBN is that it looks at what people want to do, and aims to provide it as cheaply and as soon as possible.

    It has long been assumed that that means fibre backhaul, delivered via a mix of copper, fibre and wireless connections to the punters at home.

    That was the whole point of reviewing Stephen Conroy’s 93 per cent fibre-to-the-premises plan – to allow the proportion of copper/fibre/wireless to be more fluidly determined by the costs/benefits of various levels of broadband service.

    That’s both a plus and a minus. .”

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/11/7/information-technology/will-turnbull-leapfrog-telstras-copper?utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=500892&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=

    Maybe reality is beginning to hit this government between the eyes.

    There is no budget emergency, but will be, if they continue down the path they are going.

    No matter what they say, climate change, caused by carbon emissions is real.

    When it comes to NBNCO, the government, nor anyone else has any idea of the state of the copper wire, and what it will coast to make it usable.

    Ms. Bishop, the FM is finding out quickly, that one cannot spend three years, running down leaders within our region, and expect everything to come up smelling like roses now. Yes, even in Malyasioa and Indonesia, they follow what even Opposition leaders say in this country They do have embassies for that reason. They do read papers, and listen to media.

    No matter how Abbott and Co, hide in their bunkers, they cannot stop the chickens coming home to roost, They are reaping what they has sown.

    Yes, Tanya is correct to tell Julie she better get out there, and fix the mess, she, with the help of Tony, has created.

    We have parliament sitting next week, and ministers and parliamentary secretaries still have no staff.

    We are told that ministers are not communicating with their departments. This can only mean they are not interested in seeking advice or views of those doing the job. Those at the coal face.

    I never seen a government, that is so new, so paranoid so early in the piece.

    Not to seek, or question advice of experts, can only lead to disaster.

  154. Mainstream macroeconomics Vs Modern Monetary Theory

    Budget deficits are bad
    Budget deficits are neither good nor bad and are required where the spending intentions of the non-government sector are insufficient to ensure full utilisation of available productive resources.
    Budget surpluses are good
    Budget surpluses are neither good nor bad and may be harmful in some circumstances if they involve a drag on growth in situations where there are idle resources.
    Budget surpluses contribute to national saving
    There is no sense to the concept that a currency-issuing government saves in its own currency. Saving is an act of foregoing current spending to enhance future spending possibilities and applies to a financially-constrained non-government entity. The government never needs prior funds in order to spend and thus never needs to “save”.
    Budget should be balanced over the business cycle
    Budget should be allowed to adjust to the level of net spending required to achieve and sustain full employment given the spending decisions of the non-government sector, irrespective of the state of the business cycle.
    Budget deficits drive up interest rates because they compete for scarce private saving
    Private saving is not finite and is related to income. Spending always brings forth its own saving because saving rises and falls with income movements, which are directly related to movements in spending.
    Bond markets determine funding costs of government
    Central bank sets interest rate and can control any segment of the yield curve it chooses. The costs of government spending are the real resources that are utilised in any particular public program.
    Budget deficits mean higher taxes in the future
    Budget deficits never need to be paid back. Every generation can freely choose the level of taxation it pays.
    The government will run out of fiscal space (money)
    Fiscal space is more accurately defined as the available real goods and services available for sale in the currency of issue. The currency-issuing government can always purchase whatever is for sale in its own currency. Such a government can never run out of its own currency.
    Budget deficits equals big government
    Budget deficits may reflect large or small government. Even small governments will need to run continuous deficits if there is a desire of the non-government sector to save overall and the policy aim is to maintain full employment levels of national income.
    Government spending is inflationary
    All spending (private or public) carries an inflation risk. Government spending is not inflationary while ever real resources are idle (ie. There is unemployment). All spending is inflationary if it drives nominal aggregate demand faster than the real capacity of the economy to absorb it.
    Issuing bonds to the private sector reduces the inflation risk of deficits
    There is no difference in the inflation risk attached to a particular level of net public spending when the government matches its deficit $-for-$ with bond issuance relative to a situation where it issues no debt. The inflation risk is embodied in the spending rather than the monetary arrangements that are associated with it (bond-issuance or not).
    Intergenerational burdens are linked to inherited budget deficits in the form of debt that have to be paid back.
    Intergenerational burdens are linked to the availability of real resources. For example, a generation that exhausts a non-renewable resource imposes a burden on the next generation. A future generation cannot transfer real resources back in time.
    Unemployment is used to control inflation rate
    Employment is used to control inflation rate (Job Guarantee)
    Sovereign issuer of currency is at risk of default
    Sovereign issuer of currency is never at risk of default. The issuer of a currency can always meet any liabilities it incurs in that currency.
    Taxpayer’s money
    Public currency. The taxpayer does not fund anything. Taxes are a device to free up real resources so our agent, the government can instigate a socio-economy program for our collective benefit.
    Humans make rational decisions based on self-interest
    Humans are complex and rarely predictable, reason and emotion are inseparable.

  155. Howard on ABC 24 Addressing the Lowy Institute. Rewriting history as usual.

    Sorry for the mistakes. Not on my computer and my eyes worse than usual

  156. MJ, I actually agree with Bill. 🙂

    Funnily, I was talking to a high school economic’s teacher the other day and he tells me that he had a hard time telling the kids that a deficit isn’t a bad thing – they shot back with the idea that a deficit is bad – because the papers have said so.

  157. Bill says don’t learn your economics out of newspapers.

    Or much else for that matter.

    If I was teaching economics to those kids I’d have explained that a deficit is only a deficit on the government’s books but real money in their Mum and Dad’s pockets.

  158. Try this format…

    Mainstream macroeconomics
    Modern Monetary Theory

    Budget deficits are bad
    Budget deficits are neither good nor bad and are required where the spending intentions of the non-government sector are insufficient to ensure full utilisation of available productive resources.

    Budget surpluses are good
    Budget surpluses are neither good nor bad and may be harmful in some circumstances if they involve a drag on growth in situations where there are idle resources.

    Budget surpluses contribute to national saving
    There is no sense to the concept that a currency-issuing government saves in its own currency. Saving is an act of foregoing current spending to enhance future spending possibilities and applies to a financially-constrained non-government entity. The government never needs prior funds in order to spend and thus never needs to “save”.

    Budget should be balanced over the business cycle
    Budget should be allowed to adjust to the level of net spending required to achieve and sustain full employment given the spending decisions of the non-government sector, irrespective of the state of the business cycle.

    Budget deficits drive up interest rates because they compete for scarce private saving
    Private saving is not finite and is related to income. Spending always brings forth its own saving because saving rises and falls with income movements, which are directly related to movements in spending.

    Bond markets determine funding costs of government
    Central bank sets interest rate and can control any segment of the yield curve it chooses. The costs of government spending are the real resources that are utilised in any particular public program.

    Budget deficits mean higher taxes in the future
    Budget deficits never need to be paid back. Every generation can freely choose the level of taxation it pays.

    The government will out of fiscal space (money)
    Fiscal space is more accurately defined as the available real goods and services available for sale in the currency of issue. The currency-issuing government can always purchase whatever is for sale in its own currency. Such a government can never run out of its own currency.

    Budget deficits equals big government
    Budget deficits may reflect large or small government. Even small governments will need to run continuous deficits if there is a desire of the non-government sector to save overall and the policy aim is to maintain full employment levels of national income.

    Government spending is inflationary
    All spending (private or public) carries an inflation risk. Government spending is not inflationary while ever real resources are idle (ie. There is unemployment). All spending is inflationary if it drives nominal aggregate demand faster than the real capacity of the economy to absorb it.

    Issuing bonds to the private sector reduces the inflation risk of deficits
    There is no difference in the inflation risk attached to a particular level of net public spending when the government matches its deficit $-for-$ with bond issuance relative to a situation where it issues no debt. The inflation risk is embodied in the spending rather than the monetary arrangements that are associated with it (bond-issuance or not).

    Intergenerational burdens are linked to inherited budget deficits in the form of debt that have to be paid back.
    Intergenerational burdens are linked to the availability of real resources. For example, a generation that exhausts a non-renewable resource imposes a burden on the next generation. A future generation cannot transfer real resources back in time.

    Unemployment is used to control inflation rate
    Employment is used to control inflation rate

    Sovereign issuer of currency is at risk of default
    Sovereign issuer of currency is never at risk of default. The issuer of a currency cannot always meet any liabilities it incurs in that currency.

    Taxpayer money
    Public currency. The taxpayer does not fund anything. Taxes are a device to free up real resources so our agent, the government can instigate a socio-economy program for our collective benefit.

    Humans make rational decisions based on self-interest
    Humans are complex and rarely predictable, reason and emotion are inseparable.

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