When the reality of an Abbott Government hits home, how will you feel?

So you helped vote Labor out. Here’s something to think about.

How will you feel when the reality of an Abbott Government hits home? How will you feel when it starts to hurt your pocket? How will you feel if the interest rate goes up on your mortgage, bearing in mind that Joe Hockey – during Labor’s term – repeatedly claimed that low interest rates were a bad thing? And how will you feel when the boats won’t stop? And how would you feel . . .

If you have school-aged children…

Under Labor you would have received the Schoolkids Bonus of $410 a year for each child in primary school and $820 a year for each child in secondary school. That’ll be gone. The Coalition will be axing the Schoolkids Bonus.

If you have children in after school care…

Labor would have given $450 million in extra funding to up to 500 schools, so they can introduce or expand on after school care services. Under an Abbott Government that’ll be gone too.

If you want to go to university…

If you are from a disadvantaged background, Labor would have given $50 million in funding to 17 higher education institutions to boost participation. An Abbott Government won’t.

If you’re an apprentice…

Labor would have boosted the completion payment under the Tools For Your Trade initiative from $1500 to $2000. The Abbott Coalition Government will be scrapping those incentives.  Instead they will be providing apprentices with a Trade Support Loan of up to $20,000 over four years during the apprenticeship. It will be repayable.

If you’re a low income earner…

And you earn less than $19,400, from 2015-16 you would not have needed to file a tax return because Labor intended to increase the tax free threshold. An Abbott Government will abolish the low income super contribution, which pays people who earn $37,000 or less per year up to $500 each financial year to help save for their retirement. You lose.

If you’re unemployed…

Labor would have spent $35 million over three years to provide about 8900 disadvantaged job seekers with simulated work experience and training in employability skills such as language, literacy and numeracy. An Abbott Government won’t.

If you work in the public service…

Yours might be on of the 12,000 jobs that go. They say they will be lost through natural attrition. Doesn’t matter: it’s a job lost . . . for someone else.

If you’re a small-business owner…

Labor would have given an upfront tax deduction for small businesses when they buy equipment and assets worth up to $10,000. But not Tony Abbott. Instead, his Government will axe a $6500 instant asset write off for small businesses with a turnover of less than $2 million. They will also axe a tax-loss carry-forward scheme, which allows businesses to claim losses of up to $1 million against tax they have paid in the previous two years.

If you work in health or community services…

Labor would have spent $30.6 million to support more than 5800 workers to be upskilled in sectors such as disability services, aged care and childhood education. These industries will be ignored by an Abbott Government.

If you work in the car industry…

Labor would have given a $500 million boost to the car industry funding to the end of the decade and $300 million a year beyond 2020. Not Tony Abbott: his Government will cut $500 million from the Automotive Transformation Scheme.

If you’re in a same sex relationship…

Labor would have introduced a Bill into the Parliament to legalise same-sex marriage. As long as Tony Abbott is Prime Minister, this will never happen.

If you use the internet…

Labor would have rolled out the National Broadband Network which aimed for speeds of 1000 megabits per second by 2021. Not Tony Abbott: his broadband would aim for at least 25-100 Mbps by 2016 and 50-100 Mbps by 2019. And don’t forget his secret plan to filter the internet. Be careful of what you say – he’ll be listening. Then comes the knock on your door.

If you’re planning on having a baby…

Then I hope you’re on at least $150,000 a year. If not, you’ll be treated as a second class citizen.

If you are an Indigenous Australian…

Labor promised a large number of measures under its Closing the Gap policy, including $777 million over three years to continue the National Partnership Agreement for health and $1.5 billion to provide job seekers in remote communities with local support.

Tony Abbott will be cutting $42 million from Indigenous services. You could talk to him about it when he stays in your community for a week.

If you have a disability…

Labor would have invested more than $14 billion for disability services over seven years for DisabilityCare. Do you really believe an Abbott Government will?

If you require aged care…

Labor would have invested $3.7 billion in aged care reform over five years, including more than 40,000 extra home care packages. Abbott won’t. He’ll blame the budget emergency.

If you’re a victim of assault…

… that is sexual assault or domestic violence related, Labor would have spent $31.2 million to support victims. You can forget that now.

If you have health issues…

Labor would spent $50 million to improve care for stroke sufferers, $10.5 million on emergency asthma training, $3.2 million funding for Arthritis Australia, $21 million for family mental health services and $30 million for STI and blood borne virus prevention. You can say goodbye to that. Abbott’s budget emergency will ensure you’ll receive no help. Rich mothers will though.

If you pay super…

The Coalition will delay increases to the super guarantee. This means it will be frozen at its current rate of 9.25 per cent until July 1, 2016 when it will increase to 9.5 per cent.

I repeat: when the reality of an Abbott Government hits home, how will you feel?

359 comments on “When the reality of an Abbott Government hits home, how will you feel?

  1. We now need to focus on our state parliaments and especially here in NSW with an election in two years. Of course with the ICAC inquiries Labor has an up hill battle but people have very short memories. We need to focus on Liberal govts neglect of child protection, their running down the train network, their proposal to hand NSW over the developers and miners. Also their willingness to do deals like allowing shooting in National Parks in order to get their regressive policies through.

  2. And how will you feel when pollution increases as a result of the abolition of the carbon “tax”? (Providing this is not a non-core Abbott promise).

    ____________________________________
    Ninemsn, 11 April 2013:
    Aust CO2 emissions hit 10-year low

    Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions from electricity generation have fallen to a 10-year low as coal-fired power slumped to its lowest level in a decade, a new report says.

    At the same time, the share of renewable energy in the National Electricity Market (NEM) has soared beyond 12 per cent and looks set to continue rising.

    In its latest quarterly emissions outlook, energy and carbon research firm RepuTex found coal power made up 74.8 per cent of the NEM in the three months ended in March – its lowest point in 10 years.

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/04/11/15/41/aust-co2-emissions-hit-10-year-low

  3. Abbott is already moving to remove the carbon price cuppa. On the news this morning.

    Even before he’s sworn in he’s getting his ministers together to start moves to get rid of carbon pricing.

    When removing the carbon price doesn’t turn out to be the panacea he promised, guaranteed under contract with the Australian people no less, and cost of living keeps going up, electricity prices continue to rise, and despite O’Farrell at tax payers expense printing on electricity bills it would be more with a carbon price, the people feeling the real pinch won’t be happy Jan.

    Then there are those many businesses who received carbon price compensation to increase their efficiency and reduce running costs, which many did for much better bottom lines, who will now find themselves going under and no longer able to locally access efficient renewable energy and lower energy use components as that part of the industry disappears in this country, just as it dramatically wound back under Howard’s anti-renewable policies.

  4. And why do we have to do all of this, BECAUSE YOUR PRECIOUS LABOR GOVERNMENT FAILED!!! Time to get this country back to spending its own money instead of everybody else’s…GROW UP!!! It’s time to pay the bills so they say, Simple as that!! Labor shouldn’t of been so reckless, and in doing so Liberal wouldn’t have to do such big cuts. I’m sure as adults no one here would let their household bills get out of control, so why should Labor be any different!! Oh the irony!!!

  5. Sue Peterson I totally agree. Barry O’Farrell and his government hold the people of NSW in contempt with their deals with big corporates and their disgusting treatment of victims of crime and adult victims of child sexual abuse. Cutting victims compensation while awarding registered clubs a $300 million tax break is unprecedented and beyond obscene. O’Farrell has remained a small target with the protection of the MSM but he and his government need to be held to account. People power can accomplish a lot!

  6. Lol Michael!! Shouldn’t have been so reckless!! Petty Michael!! Is that all you’ve got to stand on,hahahahaha…Enough said!!

  7. Michael,

    I’m sure they don’t know what irony means either.

    Big words – conservatives should stay away from them.

  8. What continually amazes me is the ignorance of people who think public finances somehow equate to private finances. Your handle on economics is childish Snikkim. NO Australian government has EVER had zero gross debt. It’s NOT the way it works. NO household has stewardship of other people’s money to provide services for the country. NO household is expected to build schools and hospitals and infrastructure. Your naivety is ridiculous and you have been manipulated by the most dishonest Opposition in history. Abbott claimed a “budget emergency” yet has shown NO inclination to address this so-called non-existent emergency. People like Snikkim and Voyager are in for a VERY rude shock because unless we address the structural deficit created by the previous Coalition government we are truly going to end up in trouble as our population ages and Tony continues to throw money at the rich while ignoring the reality of preparing for the future.

  9. Thank you for your opinion Kaye, its duly noted 🙂 Building a country also should be about providing incentives to help people better themselves, not just going about giving handouts, and lets face it, this country is full of people ready to take a hand out rather than bettering themselves for the future. I’m not a rich person, so do I feel the bad economic times, Yes I do…But what I don’t do is complain and whine everyday about it, I just kick myself my the bum and get on with it, So when Tony’s cuts affect me, and they will, I’ll actually feel proud.

  10. And will you also feel proud when we host the G20 summit next year and begin by stating we are backing away from a long-standing commitment to reach a foreign aid target of 0.7% of GNI? Will you feel proud when we back away from a commitment to reduce emissions and move towards renewable energy targets? Will you feel proud when we thumb our nose at our neighbours and refuse to collaborate in a regional solution to assist asylum seekers? Will you feel proud when, as head of the UN Security Council, we just say oh we aren’t big players in the world so we won’t make any waves? We are abrogating our responsibilities as one of the wealthiest nations to help address the problems facing the world. We will rightly be condemned for this. Joe Hockey’s ridiculous cliché “Lift the tide and all boats will rise” might have a different meaning for the people living in the Marshall Islands who are facing imminent inundation of their country. The idea that by making the rich richer we will somehow help the world’s poor is unlikely to gain us any respect on the world stage. You are insular and ignorant and your selfishness disgusts me.

  11. ….and lets face it, this country is full of people ready to take a hand out rather than bettering themselves for the future. I’m not a rich person, so do I feel the bad economic times, Yes I do

    So how are you going to feel when you pay more for everything you buy so that the money can go disproportionately to rich folks for having babies? You say you’re against people lining up for handouts – what say you about the Liberals paying millionaires $75,000 state welfare for each baby – money that will come out of YOUR pocket?

  12. The interest rates are at emergency levels due to a staid economy. Around one third of mortgages are owner occupied. You also forget that many self funded retirees rely on interest to survive. Interest rates will rise as the economy improves. On boats…baseless speculation.

    The school kids bonus is nothing but a bribe. Related school expenses will be tax deductable as previously.

    The $450M divided by 500 schools over the forward estimates equates to not much at all, keeps up with CPI and have not seen what the government will actually do thus far on this issue…baseless speculation.

    No mention of the university cuts by Labor? Peter and Paul stuff!

    The apprenticeship scheme is a good one, it encourages apprentices to finish their training by a 20% reduction ($4,000) of the loan repayment but you conveniently forgot to include that component.

    Not sure what they have in mind for low paid workers and certainly you don’t…baseless speculation.

    Same for the unemployed…baseless speculation.

    The public service is bloated and jobs will have to go. Firstly, all the CC departments and the associated qangos that are of no value. Then the reduction in departments like health and education which is duplication.

    Carry forward or carry back losses??? Was fine how it was, declare the previous loss on the next income year and normal depreciation.

    I see you failed to mention the FBT changes proposed on vehicles. Why should the taxpayer subsidise foreign companies that fail to be competitive? To preserve over bloated wages for union workers?

    Aboriginal Australia will do quite well from this government, thanks. Got some fine people working on it and will do a lot better than the last mob. Oh, by the way…Aboriginals detest being call Indigenous. Did anyone here call Warren Mundine Uncle Tom on Twitter? Seems there are a lot of racists on the left but not surprising. After all, they introduced the white Australia policy so in the DNA.

    Couldn’t be bothered with the rest as it is mostly baseless speculation, over entitlement, states policy or just plainly incorrect.

  13. Firstly, all the CC departments and the associated qangos that are of no value.

    Except of course for helping to reduce our emissions by 7% 😯

    What have the PS ever done for us ❓

  14. “Aboriginal Australia will do quite well from this government, thanks.”

    and you start by cutting 42 million from legal aid services to Aboriginal people. Good job guys…that should help.

  15. Under labour we would have had !! We would have had!! We would have had!!Were are all of these millions and billions of dollars coming from.Listen to the people.Rich or poor the majority of Australians think the same.

  16. you guys know there was no “economic crisis” right? That was a Liberal staged scare campaign lead by Murdoch. Australia has enjoyed a AAA credit rating for years, our national debt is much lower than most countries plus we survived the GFC relatively unscaithed. Labour put money in the right places to improve our ecomony. How on earth is giving a woman $75k to have a baby correct spending? Small business will suffer with their young lady staff decide to have a baby and they have to hold the position open for 6mths. the cost of labour hire in this country is not cheap. That money would of been better spent on our day care/education systems. I personally believe the coalition will be worse than Labor given their current rediculous policies. Nothing but supporting the rich, when its the workers who keep this country ticking…

  17. Also interested to hear how they are going to ‘fix’ this non-exiting ‘budget emergency’

    Apparently, krogan and brandis were quizzed pretty hard last night about this on qanda It turned out, they have nothing. (I haven’t watched it yet, but I trust the little birdies I heard this from)

    Probably because they don’t need anything, as there is no budget emergency. It was a fabrication of the media and the liberals.

  18. Snikkin,
    I want to go to university. I am from a disadvantaged background, and so are many of the other people I know wishing to go. Surely this is wanting to better ourselves? However it is incredibly difficult in the current circumstances to do it alone. As someone who themselves feels the pinch, I’m sure you can understand how hard it would be to study when all you can afford is ramen 5 nights a week, only having a real meal when you visit your parents (a 2 hour bus trip to the country away).
    But I don’t just want to better myself. I want to see a better Australia. This comes from such schemes as the NBN, which, despite what has been said, is not funded by the public purse but by bonds, and which will pay for itself. Sadly, your Abbott government doesn’t feel internet is important enough, and wishes to scrap it… for some reason.
    If I get seriously ill, I will need help from doctors to better myself. When I get old, I will probably need help. Gay couples don’t necessarily need help as much as for us to get out of their business, but at least it won’t cost (and might help – just think, “Gay Marriage Registry”)
    But I don’t think you’ve never taken a hand-out. If you’re lucky, I think at the least your parents poured untold resources into your hungry mouth. I think you had a roof over your head that was paid for by other people, I think you went to schools that were built and staffed and paid for by other people, I think you felt safe because the streets were patrolled by other people, I think you drove to your three jobs on roads paved by other people, in a car built by other people and burning oil that was drilled by other people in a nation whose borders were defended by other people. No, you never asked for anything to be handed to you. You didn’t have to, because billions of humans who lived and died before you had already created a lavish support system where the streets are all but paved with gold. I’m sure you got that help. Let others get it too.

  19. We now have a government who think lying to the people they represent is quite ok just as long as it gets them a job.

    Whatever It Takes. Bugger the truth.

  20. Kaye was it a core or non core promise? People have short term amnesia and a pink rosey Murdochary view of Howard.. Howard started all this lies, division, negativity and race card shit….and he will appear a fairy floss kitten compared to Abbott….Who has not changed one bit..he has earned his reputation all on his own by way of his actions, just ask Bernie Banton, oh wait you cant he’s dead 😦
    http://fuck-abbott.myshopify.com/

  21. Scaper, FYI aboriginal is an adjective and Aboriginee is the noun. Start with English before tackling economics, politics, social commentary etc.

  22. I’m in QLD Govt. Information Technology ( I won’t say precisely where in fear of retribution). I come to work each day expecting it to be my last.
    We are cancelling everything. We know we will have no money soon and nothing on cards, no treats, no outings, nothing,. Staple food and the Garden is being transformed to an eatable one. Contacted employment agencies and as I am over 50, I continually am told “Sydney or Melbourne”. LNP dictates have pressed my family already into a depression for survival. I pity the victims who are Pensioners, as I, at least, still am fit and healthy. Something will have to help them. We recently took in a friend who was going to live in a car as they are on a pension and had nowhere to go. The smile with joy at having a home, I fear I will not be able to keep us sheltered because LNP Masters want more of what they really do not need, extracted out of our Society and hoarded into their Tax Haven Accounts overseas.
    But they forget the one rule above all, of the Capitalist Society, hurt the Consumer too much and you damage the healthy flow of the system.
    My Family are damaging it now by our act of survival. If everyone did it for a month, watch this Government fall to it’s knees! Are they going to make us spend at gunpoint or raid our savings after all their hype? Either way, we the Consumer have them by the short and curlies and there is little they can do about it. Exercise your rights with your cash. If they can buy a term as Government, we can refuse to pay for it. Start saving everyone and watch this Government weep. Don’t use Corporations, use your local Small Business supplier instead and benefit your community, as they will feel the pain like you, very, very soon.
    Community has always saved us in the past against these Robber Barron and their paid for Thugs. Corporatism, Plutocracy, Fascism are all the same thing and we can only defeat such as a strong Community in self supporting unity as we have in the past. They have being shaping our thoughts to divide us for years through relentless propaganda.Shrug it all off in order not to just survive this threat, but to thrive against it and place this ravenous beast of Corporatism back where it should be, to serve us and not dominate us.
    My Family will be one of their early victims. Yours will be in time. The choice is yours, but like my family, we are rediscovering our bonds and hopes for survival. I hope you find this also.
    Good luck to you all.

  23. So scaper reveals his true self as one of the wingnuts who are always patting him on the back anyway, and not the non-partisan unbiased person he’s always claimed he is.

    Bashed Labor mercilessly whilst they were in government with promises of doing the same for (I have revelations) Abbott, but the moment the Liberals are in government continues on Labor bashing and sticking up for the Liberals, making excuses for them.

  24. scaper… @ September 10, 2013 @ 9:16 am.
    I see when they were handing out empathy or care for your fellows in your Community, you refused.
    Spare us your whine, if these bastions of inhumanity catch you in their snare. I doubt many will have any more sympathy towards you than you have towards them. But then, if your really lucky, they may just pity you and then assist if you gracious enough to accept it.
    Can you guarantee they love you so much, that the rich will care for you. Somehow, I doubt it.

  25. I come to work each day expecting it to be my last.

    Well now you know how a large proportion of the people who work in private industry feel. I don’t see why Public Servants should be guaranteed safe jobs.

  26. chris gould said:

    FYI aboriginal is the adjective
    … Start with English before tackling economics, politics, social commentary etc.

    That’s good advice, but it won’t be heeded. Truth is, he provides countless contributions to the eggcorn database. Here’s a link.

    http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/browse-eggcorns/

    And then there’s his misuse of words. Try today’s example.

    The interest rates are at emergency levels due to a staid economy

    The word ‘staid’ is synonymous with sober – serious – composed – steady – sedate. One can only imagine what he was trying to communicate.

    But yes his supposed his non-adherence to the conservatives is now clearly exposed as a canard. A would be if could be but too lazy to really try.

  27. Neil of Sydney September 10, 2013 @ 10:36 am
    No, but you have a contract. But then you also hold a certain grudge against what you chose to do Neil? That was not my choice for you, it was yours. I am not your enemy as they tell you via their propaganda, your celebrities on TV are.

  28. Tech,

    Neil of Sydney is a notorious Liberal troll. He’s been on comments boards for years, pushing Liberal spin and lies, and character-assassinating anyone who dispels his Liberal rubbish.

  29. Oh boohoo, the janitor Nazi is at it again because that is all he’s got.

    Gee, a politician telling lies? They all lie and anyone that believes only one side lies is delusional. Well, when the budget blows out $30B in less than twelve weeks it would and has been seized upon for political mileage.

    Had a laugh when you lot were complaining that Abbott’s government has not been sworn in yet. Care to name a government that was sworn in only a few days after a federal election? Didn’t think so.

    The coalition is going to govern for at least two terms so you lot better get used to it. Hopefully a dozen years as it will take that long to repair the economic damage before Labor does it all again.

  30. BTW Neil of Sydney, I never expect my employment to be permanent, but whilst it has a purpose beyond just providing profit for a Corporation and completing a job to keep people and society functioning as they expect, I expected my skills would keep me employed. I work hard like anyone else and I do take pride in servicing my Clients beyond their expectations. I keep people like you alive at 3am when required after being woken up to help with the specialized systems I help to maintain. But then, as Public Servant, I am only worthy of you contempt because someone told you to. Spare me the view of your cold heart. I choose the embrace of at least the human community of which I will be appreciated for my work.

  31. But then, as Public Servant, I am only worthy of you contempt because someone told you to.

    Typical Labor supporter saying something i did not say.

    All i said was that Public Servants should have the same job security as people in Private industry.

  32. Of course the Liberals want everyone to have no job security. That’s why they ripped protection from unfair dismissal away from everyone working for firms with 100 employees or fewer. Go to work in the morning, uncertain you’ll still have a job by the end of the day. People will be reluctant to commit to mortgages or other serious debt undertakings when their job security has been effectively abolished by the Liberals.

  33. Rosweel

    Bit mean there. Why should people who generate no income but whose salary comes from taxpayers have more job security than someone in private industry??

    Not much job security for most people in private industry. I am just being truthful.

  34. Care to name a government that was sworn in only a few days after a federal election? Didn’t think so.

    No knowledge of political history. Elected 2 December. Sworn in 5 December.

    See lazy, lazy , lazy.

  35. Well said… Everyone will be affected in a negative way by these frausters and liers. We can look forward to nto being able to enjoy posts like this (forget youtube) as the internet will be too slow for anyone to use. And your hip pocket no matter you rich or poor, employer, employed or unemployed, healthy or sick.. you will suffer… YOU WERE WARNED!!!!

  36. ‘The Australian’ = ‘The Australiar’

    Not the OO anymore, it’s back to being the GG – the Government Gazette.

  37. Credlin.

    Justice doesn’t just have to be done, it has to be seen to be done,” she said.

    Really? No conviction recorded. Happens to the common folk all the time.

    It’s started.

  38. Oh Niel, of the cold-hearted pit of the Stock Exchange’s accidental intrusion of the Sewer that was once the Tank Stream, your vitriolic attempt to promote the happiness of your fun filled rape, pillage and plunder will find little fertile ground here in our minds, as we refuse to instill the toxic waste of the local Corporate blood-lines that you so desperately wish to be part of, but never will be accepted into. Poor dear! *pat* *pat* Do you want sympathy? Or will you be smart and request education.
    Like it or not, in the end, your no different than any of us and just as vulnerable. I hope one day we meet you before we all die and go where we cannot take our material possessions. That will be hard for you.

  39. Happens to the common folk all the time.

    Apparently, she got off partly cos ‘it’s been in the media’

    I wonder how that will work for Thom(p)son

  40. The Federal election result here in Queensland will have Newman and his mates really worried as the voters sent a very clear message that we are willing to give Abbott a go for 3 years but if his policies end up like Newmans he and Campbell Newman will pay a heavy price at the State and Federal level.”” The LNP will be lucky to hang on at the next State election and if they do it will be by one or two seats.

  41. Seen this coming. Abbott I pray remembers the common folk, and not crucify us..

    I have NEVER trusted Liberals for their wilful neglect of our Vietnam Veterans, their lies concerning the affects of Agent Orange…………

    My words will be sent to Abbott concerning my health issues as well as our children

  42. someone “universally respected in political circles” with “a deep sense of personal responsibility and public duty

    Vomit!

  43. TechinBris

    You know you people are all the same. Trying to make out you care for people when all you care about is yourself.

    Politicians don’t have much job security and they are PS’s. A lot of them have just lost their jobs and have to start looking for work. Don’t know how long after an election loss the salary stops being paid but I guess it would not be long.

    It really annoys me when most Public Servants demand something most people in private industry don’t have- job security.

  44. Andre, did you say the same thing about the last government.

    Neil, yes I was a bit terse and I take back what I said about losing your job. I don’t like to see anybody lose their job.

  45. Folks, there are things that prompted me to vote against Abbott and the Liberals – sadly they are as overlooked here as they were by those wanting Abbott beaten.
    I hate the Liberals’ obsession with surpluses – what good was their bloated $20 billion surplus when much of the country’s transport infrastructure (eg. the Pacific Highway in northern NSW, the Princes Highway in southern NSW, and some other regional roads) needed fixing?
    I hate the Liberals’ ideological hostility towards railways – they’ve baulked at the short-term cost of expanding/improving railways, and used NIMBY politics to mess up some worthwhile railway projects.
    I hate the Liberals’ obsession with urban roads and motorways, such as the F3-M2 and WestConnex links in Sydney, which will be obsolete before construction even begins on them – what’s wrong with spending a few billion dollars on public transport infrastructure that encourages people to leave the car at home, thereby reducing the traffic gridlock which in Sydney alone costs many billions of dollars in lost productivity?
    I hate the Liberals’ refusal to encourage businesses to train workers on the job – how can people whinge about so-called skills shortages, when thousands of workers come out of studying needed skills at uni or TAFE and find employers only wanting skills learnt in the workplace, triggering the depressing catch-22 of needing a job to get experience yet needing experience to get a job?
    I hate the Liberal frontbench, full of acolytes of Costello, whose stinginess made the Coalition stash away surpluses, instead of putting them into infrastructure, thereby leaving Labor people to spend them like drunken sailors.
    Sadly, these issues didn’t seem juicy or sexy enough for the anti-Abbott brigade.

  46. Now let them govern

    Indeed! But they don’t seem to be in any hurry. No Parliament until November? Yet they claimed before the election that there was a budget crisis, an ‘illegal’ (sic) ‘boat people’ crisis. In short the ‘sky was falling’.

    Now it’s all ended. Nothing to worry about. Move on.

    Shakes head.

    Hockey to have a budget surplus of $6 billion after 4 budgets, totalling nigh on $1700 billion. Gone in the next storm in Queensland.

    Talk about gullible.

  47. Newsline on ABC 24. Australia should not get above it’s station.

    Has the Indonesia telephoned Abbott?

    Noticed that Abbott’s claim for his mandate, not getting ,much of a hearing. In fact, most letters seem to be, the respect he will get, is what he shows others.

    The impression I get from many letters, is it is not only Rudd they are after. Abbott is also in their sights.

    Yes, the born to rule, with their arrogance and belief in their own self importance are back

    All I heard on Friday, spending a few hours on trains, was I am going to vote for Palmer. Results in western Sydney suggests they did.

    As much as Abbott likes to have himself on, there was not a great swing to him.

    So we will have Bronny Bishop for speaker. That is going to provide us with much entertainment.

    We have Morrison at war with the National and State Liberal body.

    We have seen that candidates where barred from talking to the media, and ordered to keep low profile. That information is in the Tele, from the mouth of the National body head. Must be true.

    Still intends to keep up all his so called community work.

    I have been put, got the above information from the Tele.

    Bought it, to see how they are going to treat this government.

    Has Obama congratulated him. Indonesian still not in favour of Abbott’s plans.

  48. Nice try, ABBA. Had to go back over fifty years and it was three days, not a couple so a fail.

    Has the vote been counted and the return of writs occurred? The new government has up to thirty days to be sworn in. Another fail.

  49. “It really annoys me when most Public Servants demand something most people in private industry don’t have- job security.” [Niel in Sydney]
    Oh Neill, your comprehension and memory retention must be fading. I hold the mirror up to your imprecations. Enjoy the reflection.
    I don’t expect job security, but I don’t believe I deserve to be sacked on the grounds that I am not providing a profit to some Corporate Bigot that would not urinate on you if you were on fire. I would prefer to keep strong the ties of the Public’s mind for a fair go for everyone and keep you safe from being burned on a flaming cross somewhere because you displeased your rich Master, even though you wouldn’t appreciate it.

  50. Mack said:

    only a few days after a federal election?

    See above. Now he claims that that he used ‘couple’. Not that it matters because ‘couple’ is often used

    informal: an indefinite small number:

    [as pronoun]:he hoped she’d be better in a couple of days

    we got some eggs—would you like a couple?

    You really should do some homework. And try to be a truth teller not a big noter. You are hilarious.

  51. I believe, that Mr. Abbott not long ago wrote a essay, on the topic, that Oppositions also get mandates from those who vote from them. Howard has been heard to utter similar beliefs.

    For once, both are right. The Opposition still has a mandate, if there is one, from those who gave them their vote.

    That mandate is exercised on the floor of both houses. From that vote, comes new legislation. That legislation, is not always in the form that the government of the day presented.

  52. To : Techin Bris.
    Labor bred the Public Service like rabbits from 2000 – 2012
    the increase was 40% , totally un- sustainable.
    Pure and simple thats why cut backs are essential.At home we call it housekeeping.

  53. It seems that parliament will not be sitting until November, then I assume the Christmas break. Any legislation to repeal all that Labor has achieved, is a long way off. Maybe no new legislation will reach the senate, until the new mob are installed.

    One would think, it was mid summer today. Strong dry westerly winds and fires already. Maybe before this summer is over, people might be open once again, to the suggestion of the risk, of man made climate change.

    The ocean, just down from my home, is two degrees warmer than the norm.

  54. We had a mandate in 2007 to implement a price on carbon

    The libs renigged. Not only on this fictitious ‘mandate’, but also on an agreement with the Government. If tabot wants a ‘man date’ tell him to try legalising SSM. It might improve his chances

  55. Global warming is crap and everything associated with it will be dismantled by the Abbott government.

    So says the school drop kick. And is this the official line from your good mate Greg Hunt? No ‘green army’. No emission ‘target’.? CSIRO gone? University science faculties gone? School curricula ?

    Didn’t take long. As I said he’s hilarious.

  56. everything associated with it will be dismantled

    I hope you don’t mean ‘direct craption’

    That was an election promise. Can you imagine the cries of ‘he lied’ (yea, I can’t either, except from Labor, being ignored by the msm)

  57. The ‘mandate’ concept is interesting, particularly in a bicameral system We all know that we have two Houses of Parliament at the Federal level and we also know that legislation must be endorsed by both houses. If Abbott argues he has a ‘mandate’ then it’s only in one house – the HoR. He certainly doesn’t have one for the existing Senate and he will not have a ‘mandate’ even after the new Senate arrives.

    He threatens a double dissolution, when the quotas are halved. If he thinks he has problems now … LOL

  58. Huh, the Green Army is about native rehabilitation and quick response to natural disasters. Nothing to do with global warming. Wow, can’t spell reneged or action, Tommy. I see the pedant is quiet on this.

  59. “protection, their running down the train network, ”

    Took me nearly six hours yesterday, to get from Campbelltown to Lake Munmorah yesterday. Use to be no longer than four hours, on the worse day.

    Big problem is that Wyong used to have two trains an hour. During the day, one of these terminates at Gosford. Leaving only the Newcastle train, which now is slower, as it is all stops from Gosford to Wyong,

    I must thank Mr. O’Farrell for the faster and more frequent trains to the Central Coast.

    Just hope, he does not keep his promises to make things better.

    On top of that, on two Fridays in the last month, I have had fun, racing from station to station at Strathfield, hoping I have the directions correct, as for the love of me, J have little idea of which train, is later, coming in elsewhere.

    There is in the last few months, a noticeable deterioration ion the services, and I use them rarely.

    Cannot remember, reading in the last year, where timetables have been changed.

    PS. I live in NSW

  60. Hey I’m with Voyager & Snikkim and all you Labor pussies are living in dream land And i reckon getting into debt to build infrastructure is hokey economics. Look we could have built the Snowy Scheme by paying as we go- we’d still be building it but no debt !!

    It’s so simple and why worry about interest rates…OK they were higher under the LNP but hey , wake -up !!, You don’t need to pay interest !!!…solution- sell your damned house and pay off the mortgage !!

  61. voyager and scaper, you need to get on all those other MSM and ABC sites, and enlighten them where they are going wrong. Would not waste my time here, if I where you. We are beyond saving.

  62. Neil too. You all have much work to do, convincing many, that Abbott t deserves to be respected. Most seem to believe, that all he deserves, is the respect he gives others.

    Not many seem to believe he has a mandate either. Many seem to think, the Opposition’s has the right to “no no no “

  63. Voyager

    Finding

    Hockey and his Coalition colleagues are wrong to claim the Canberra public service has grown by 20,000 since they were last in government.

    This financial year it is likely to be around 10,000 higher than when Labor took office. Nationwide it is likely to be 8100 higher.

    A PolitiFact rating of “false” applies where a statement is not accurate.

    PolitiFact rates Hockey’s claim “false”.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/fact-checker/has-the-canberra-public-service-grown-by-20000-under-labor-20130829-2ss5p.html#ixzz2eSRRy6ew

  64. Yes Mad Sally it clearly is a broken promise but somehow, I don’t think Abbott will admit to this. He probably ‘only glanced’ at the letter before he signed.

    Whereas Howard had core and non-core promises, Abbott has signed letters/policies that he ‘reads’ and ones he only ‘glances’ at. There’s a very big distinction.

    Political platforms are like railway platforms, they are there ‘to get in on’ not ‘remain on’.

  65. VOYAGER September 10, 2013 @ 1:03 pm
    You’ll probably find most of that was to cover what was required to manage the supporting of Howard’s Middle Class bribery of the Electorate. But your implicating the baby has to be thrown out with the bath water is silly simplistic argument which shows a poorly developed plan of consequential organizational chaos as it’s successor. I think you avocation of “stuff the unfortunate” could be a mite cruel.

  66. I think building a brighter future, requires a highly educated and skilled workforce, that has access to the latest technology.

    Yes, we need that to take advantage on the Asian century. Not too sure, how building a few more roads, and nothing else, gets us there.

    In fact what we need, is the agenda that Gillard put in place, and Abbott is in a rush to rear down. Yes, wee need every plank of that.

    Yes, you are right, we do not need middle/upper income welfare and handouts. It is a shame, that Abbott is going to restore all that Gillard clawed back, with great criticism of every move she made.

    Yes, that list of what is going, is exactly what is needed.

    Now how does a second class NBN, Direct Action, that is expensive and inefficient, along with the grandiose PPL deliver what is needed.

    Why do we need Private Medical benefits for the wealthy. A rebate that is paid out of the health budget. Why doers the private education system, need a bigger handout, than the state system.

    How does taking money from help to low income earners for their super, make them better able to be independent when they retire.

  67. Wonder why we have such an influx from the other side. One would think they are afraid their man will not deliver, and needs to be protected.

    In case one missed it, Rudd and Labor have gone.

  68. Mad Sally September 10, 2013 @ 1:29 pm
    Don’t tell me Sally, Toowoomba believed they’d get it without condition and without reading the fine print?
    Oh they have a lot to learn about dealing with a Corporation, errr… Government, no I take it back, it’s a Corporation now, as they said it would be one. *sigh*

  69. The fires are beginning to look nasty. Lucky the weather is due to change tomorrow.

    Where I am on th Central Coast, can smell smoke and the sirens have been going for ages.

    It is in the first half of September.

  70. Was not Abbott meeting today, with the NSW Premier, with the aim of getting the state moving. That what was said yesterday. Yes, to get NSW moving.

    Of course, the Labor government never gave these states any money. Maybe he can give some to Campbelltown Hospital, so kids do not have to lay on the floor with appendicitis, which after many hours, was operated on, after the young girl became critical. That was the children’s part of the hospital, by the way.

    I believe he has a meeting with many Premiers today. Not sure who, as I have been out for the last few days, and have much to catch up on.

  71. Scaper… I don’t think the Libs will get two terms! When their “policies” start to bite ordinary Australians the backlash at the next election will be huge! Remember where you heard it first! 😉

  72. Tom, qanda was better than I expected. Tanya handled herself well. While on the topic, I do not want to see Albanese take on the leadership job. I like the man, but he is needed as leader of the house. That takes a skill that is rare. He has it. Also,. I haver concerns that he stood behind Rudd each time. I buy his first two times, but not the later efforts.

    I would love Tanya, and even Wong, but one cannot expect any woman to take the challenge at this time. Plenty of time down the track for both.

    We need clean skins, and thankfully Labor gas depth, to allow this to happen. Burke is worth a look, as are a couple of others. Very intelligent and able people.

    Time for Labor to renew. What they will have to Oppose, are 16 ministers from Howard’s government. Maybe one less, as Mirabella is still traveling badly, but would not surprise to see the pre poll and postals to go her way. Yes, a government for yesterday.

  73. “Also interested to hear how they are going to ‘fix’ this non-exiting ‘budget emergency’”

    Easy Tom, they can create one, then fix it up.

  74. How does a government work with a public service it does not trust?

    On Sunday, Abbott was given the Green Book by Treasury.

    The one that tells him where the nations finances are at at this time.

    What does Hockey announce. Yes, he is going to have a outside audit, of the figures they have given,.

    That will now make 45 inquiries, that Abbott is setting up.

    In NSW, the ABC 24 is all about fires. Fires which are quickly coming out of control. on the edge of Sydney.

    Warmest summer on record, followed by extremely warm winter, into extreme temperatures for spring.

  75. scaper, I see you want it both ways. Labor is a spendthrift, spending too much. Or is it, they are cutting spending.

    Which is it, making too many cuts, or spending too much.

  76. Ash, you sound young. Have you any idea, how we get to educate many young people, who it has come to my noticed, are just plain angry.

    I am not talking about party politics, but how the system works, some basic economics etc.

  77. “I see you failed to mention the FBT changes proposed on vehicles. ”

    Could be because there was only a 0.03 percentage drop in sales in the last quarter.

  78. No the question is now, is it an aspirational proposal, that comes wit the caveats, that it will be exposed for some type of, green or white paper, Audit, Productivity Commission or many other ways of doing nothing, or taking away completely.

    There are now 45 inquiries in all.

    The promises on policy are hard to find.

    By the way, there is no costing or business plans to be done for NBN lite/fraud and Direct Action. Not needed, it seems. Wonder why?

  79. I am really looking forward to see the elder Bishop as speaker. I hope she gets a new rule book, the one she has now, is a little ragged from over use.

    There are many other vying for the job, but the Tele says she has it.

    Should provide some entertainment. Yes, Albanese needs to stay, as leader of the house for the Opposition.

    Should provide much reality TV.

  80. Whitlam, along with one other MP. Swore into many ministries, between them..Was in a hurry to bring the soldiers home from Vietnam. kept his promise to do it the first day after elected.

    We have seen the Coalition win easily. Where is the interest, which one has at this time. in what Abbott intends to have in his front bench and cabinet. Does not seem to be on Abbott’s mind at all.

    What we are seeing, is an continuation of Abbott’s stunts and slogans. That is all that is occurring now.

    Nothing real happens, until the ministry is announced and put in place.

    Not even sure, it the PS heads have to take any notice of his orders.

    I suspect, he is spending his time,. working on the department heads, he intends to sack. Well, we know from what Turnbull said today, that all the NBNCo board is going today, to be replaced by Twiggy *, as the head.

  81. Fed up, haven’t you learned the mantra of the “Born to Rule” ilk? “Do as we say, not as we do.”
    Now repeat after me “Do as we say, not as we do.”
    Again, “Do as we say, not as we do.”

    Or you can say, as most of us do, “Hypocrites”

  82. Not sure what the head of Treasury thinks, when he handed over the Green Book, and Hockey tells him, he will be getting an outside audit for the figures. Cannot see them hanging around.

  83. From working in the state PS for years, I know, gut a department management, and chaos, of the greatest order follows.

  84. What is left of a gutted department, is those who tell the government what they want to hear.

    The sensibly ones, roll themselves into to a little a ball. letting the storm go over them.

    Most know that things will blow over, they will remain standing at the end, with the pollies moving on., Then it is time, to rebuild again,

    Seems to occur with every right-wing government, who believe they know better than the experts.

  85. Neil, will never tell us what he does. For all we know, he might not work at all. His business he says. Still quick to condemn how others earn a living.

  86. “Why should people who generate no income but whose salary comes from taxpayers have more job security than someone in private industry??” [Neil from Sydney]
    Because you live in a Community and not a Corporation. I imagine your squealing when everything you do, goes up exponentially in costs to what it is going up now, because everything that you HAVE to do by law, has to be unmitigated income generation for the Shareholders who demand growth of profit for growth of dividend.
    Even if you were a Share Holder, you’d have to have a lot of shares before you would come close to break even.
    Are you thirsty yet? Designer water for a cheaper option maybe? Don’t want to pay? Suck from the polluted river after the Factory dumps the dioxins in it.

  87. I think that Neil is so far behind the times, that he believes PS have lifetime job tenure.

    Long time since that was the case.

  88. Col, in those days, one did not work on the Lords day, or weekend. Sometimes, I worry about the campaign being 24/7 for five weeks.

    Governmenting seems to be the same. Maybe weekends should be bought back.

  89. Yep. the word staid does indeed describe the economy. Sober and slow as she goes.

    Why is that dollar, once again o the way up. Not good news.

    The week is half gone, and Abbott has not flown to Indonesia, or gone camping with Pearson. Is that another broken promise.

    Wonder will he join the fire trucks, across the state?

  90. Tom, she had a wonderful letter of commendation from Brandis. Would have had the same result, regardless of the expensive lawyers. Norm for a first offender. The reading were not that high.

  91. Neil, you do know, that PS do spend their money, and pay taxes. Keeps others in a job.

    Most provide essential services, and produce, as those in the private sector.

  92. No politics on ABC 24. Just reporting fires, and the evacuations that are occurring. Now moving up into the Blue Mountains..

  93. Fed up
    September 10, 2013 @ 2:14 pm
    That is amazing, left wing trolls, on a site that is left leaning and proud of the fact.
    ————————————————————————————————
    Like repty and Tommy. I agree.

  94. Andre, I am waiting with bated breath. I actuality want to be wrong about Abbott. Have not seen much yet, that gives one hope.

  95. scaper, it was Abbott that promised to do all on day one. That is what he is being made fun of. Yes, for making stupid statements, that were no more that stunts.

    What we are still getting, is the stunts and slogans. Nothing has changed since Saturday.

    Mr. Abbott is still being tightly staged managed.

    We will have to hope. Peta does not have another day off, or get sick. They forgot to airbrush her out of the meeting with Department heads.

  96. I thought that Abbott said he was meeting with O’Farrel today, to get the state moving. It appears, that the Premier in now in State parliament, masking an announcement about the fires.

    The fires seem to be indeed serious. So early in the year. That was before three o’clock.

  97. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THE LAST LOT, incompetent, self-serving, internally squabbling, and grotesquely wasteful of YOUR money …….. were still in power??Abbott went from “un-electable” to knocking off KRudd V.2.0 in a matter of weeks. “Wonder why??” (A.: because the public finally “got it”). Get sensible.

  98. lol, scaper calls me a troll, even though he is the one who just verballed me (and refused to acknowledge it), calls people liars without being able to explain just where they have lied, and continues to post just to abuse people

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😯 😯 😯

  99. scaper. I am not sure how it works.

    If what you say is true, the likes of Bishop ordering PS what to do without even contacting Tanya sounds amiss.

    I am not talking about being briefed by the PS, that is different. Bishop has ordered that Bracks does not go to the USA, as planned.

    The Department informed Tanya of Bishop’s action. I take it, that maybe it is Tanya still in charge. That is in a caretaker role.

    The truth is probably that Bishop and co are acting out of order.

    Wonder were Rudd is? Still leader, until a new one is elected.

    Has Rudd visited the GG? I think he might have to.

  100. Sam I would love to hear what the public “got” and I sure hope it ain’t contagious. What the public “got” was lies fed to an apathetic bunch of puppets who seem more than happy to accept a load of crap promoted by wealthy people who are now laughing up their sleeves at how easily the “public” can be manipulated.

  101. Rudd tendered his resignation on Sunday I believe. The GG requested that the government remain in caretaker mode until the return writs are issued.

    Don’t understand how the government elect are making certain decisions but I suppose they have a right to instruct PS heads to prepare for the incoming government.

  102. …………Prime Minister-elect Tony Abbott has declared “it’s all over” for people smugglers, but says his official plan to “stop the boats” won’t begin until after he and his new frontbench are sworn in next week.

    Mr Abbott is back in Canberra, working through the process of deciding who will hold which portfolios in the new Coalition government – a process that has been delayed by tight results in some seats.

    The arrival earlier this week of an asylum seeker boat carrying 57 passengers, including two foreign journalist, has triggered questions about when the Coalition’s “Operation Sovereign Borders” will actually start.

    The operation will be on hold until the official swearing-in ceremony has been held “in the first half of next week”………….

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-10/abbott-to-people-smugglers3a-27it27s-over27/4947924

  103. ………….ut Mr Abbott has been keen to point out that he has already spoken to the Papua New Guinea prime minister Peter O’Neill about the offshore processing plan put in place by the former Labor government.

    “We will make the most of the arrangement which the former government put in place with PNG,” he told Channel 9 this morning.

    “I think that is an important element, not the only element, but it’s an important element in the range of policies necessary to stop the boats………

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-10/abbott-to-people-smugglers3a-27it27s-over27/4947924

    But has he spoken to Indonesia.

  104. I would say, he has not spoken to Indonesia. Why not?

    ………..PM-elect confident of resolving any issues with Indonesia

    Mr Abbott says he is confident of working through any issues with the Indonesian government, despite Jakarta expressing reservations about the plan.

    “I know we can work effectively with the Indonesians again because we’ve done it in the past,” he said.

    The people smugglers are on notice. Their game is up. It’s all over for them.
    PM-elect Tony Abbott
    “We have stopped the boats before.

    “I don’t pretend that it’s going to be an easy one because this government, or the government that’s just gone, certainly created a terrible situation on our borders, but the solution is now at hand.”

    Mr Abbott is expected to receive more calls from world leaders and continue discussions with state and territory leaders today.

    His frontbench deliberations ha………..

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-10/abbott-to-people-smugglers3a-27it27s-over27/4947924

    One home lost.

  105. I see business confidence jumped big time last month due to anticipation of a coalition win. Consumer confidence will jump too but lefty confidence will slump. No problem, a minority that won’t have any effect on the real economy.

  106. scaper I wonder if you can explain to me what the Coalition’s strategy is to deal with the increasing problem of health expenditure. Successive governments have ignored all warnings about this and we are facing a huge structural deficit due to their inaction on planning for our future. Tell me how Tone plans to address this now that he has the crown, or is stopping the boats a greater priority for the populist pugilist?

  107. Kaye, my bag is environment and nation building. The way I see it…the only redress is to grow the pie to the extent that this nation can afford to ensure health and a decent living standard for all. Can’t see any other way, seriously.

  108. my bag is environment and nation building

    Hilarious! ‘environment’ From someone who feeds crows.

    As for ‘nation building’, laying turf, mowing lawns and mixing concrete doesn’t actually count. And neither does advocating for a sister city to Tennant Creek.

    Just sayin …

  109. You say your bag is the environment. Perhaps you can explain to me then how Direct Action will work. Everything I have read states that it won’t. Why would we spend billions on something that all experts agree is pointless?

    On nation building, do you recognise the productivity improvements that would result from continuing with the FttP NBN and improving our urban and inter-urban rail systems?

    Do you agree with the idea that we must lower taxation regardless of the repercussions? Do you agree with sliding scale progressive taxation where those who can afford it contribute more or do you feel that we should prop up the wealthy with tax cuts and tax deductions in the belief that Gina and Rupert will share rather than moving overseas and setting up tax havens so they have to pay less tax…oops too late.

    Do you think we have an obligation to act in concert with the rest of the world in action on climate change, renewable energy, refugees, crimes against humanity, or are we an island immune to the world’s problems?

    Do you have a social conscience….do you believe in closing the gap…do you truly believe that “if we lift the tide all boats will rise”?

    Do you think that we can afford to give all young people here a chance to be the best they can be or should we privatise education and get back to surplus as quick as we can?

    Do you think it is fair that 16% of the world’s population use 80% of the world’s resources while cutting our foreign aid to those who need it most?

  110. What do you care what I believe in? I don’t believe that CO2 is a problem and what I have just received, there will be very limited action.

    Migs, incoming mail.

  111. and there I was thinking I was talking to someone who actually gave a shit rather than a giggling schoolkid. scaper are you Christopher Pyne?

    hehehehehe….seriously? Is that the IPA approach?

  112. scaper… September 10, 2013 @ 4:52 pm
    “I see business confidence jumped big time last month due to anticipation of a coalition win. Consumer confidence will jump too but lefty confidence will slump.”
    Oh, if I was in the Blood product business, of course my confidence would be heightened. After you’ve been forced out of your job and we have decided your ripe enough, we can manufacture some reason, say Wongabby leftwinging mites are on the rise and blood is needed to make vaccine for those that need it. I am sure the Government will find a good reason to make it part of your New Start Allowance. After they strap you in a chair and ram the catheter into your jugular, we’ll be mighty confident of a profit on your blood, even though you may not like it so much.
    Yes, that was as stupid as that dumb vitriol to just regurgitated from your manuals. Please, come up with something that is convincing. You’re trying to convert us into rabid vultures ready to suck the life out of the planet for money’s sake. FAIL.

  113. Yep. Libs. especially Abbott, make their own rules.

    “……………..11.38am AEST
    The Coalition doesn’t understand how caretaker mode works, according to the outgoing attorney-general Mark Dreyfus. Dreyfus has accused the Coalition of being vindictive and petty in their decision to revoke Steve Bracks’ position as consul-general in New York. He said in a statement:

    The caretaker conventions operate from the dissolution of the House of Representatives until the election result is clear or, in the event of a change of government, until the new government is appointed. (Cabinet Handbook, 2012)
    In this election, the House of Representatives was dissolved on 5 August 2013 at 5.30pm – the signal for the start of the caretaker period. Mr Bracks was appointed on 16 May 2013, that is, more than 11 weeks before the start of the caretaker conventions.
    Senator Brandis’s claim today that the Government should have consulted the Opposition about this appointment in April or early May is wrong. …”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/10/senate-overhaul-labor-leadership-battle-live-blog?CMP=ema_792&et_cid=48313&et_rid=1876527&Linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.theguardian.com%2fworld%2f2013%2fsep%2f10%2fsenate-overhaul-labor-leadership-battle-live-blog

  114. I seen, I think it was Gittins, who said it is time for business to get over their three years dummy split. What has occurred, is the norm before most electrons. Expect small improvement in employment figures as well.

  115. Do you agree with sliding scale progressive taxation where those who can afford it contribute more or do you feel that we should prop up the wealthy with tax cuts and tax deductions

    Well you should note what Abbott proposes and why.

    But fast-forward to election 2013, and the announcement of the Liberal Party’s health policy, and what do we see? A promise by Tony Abbott to restore the rebate, as soon as budgetary conditions allow.

    And you can bet that is one promise he is very keen to keep. Conservative ideology demands it. More than that, conservative party funding depends on it. And you can bet that is one promise he is very keen to keep. Conservative ideology demands it. More than that, conservative party funding depends on it

    There’s more here. http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/the-half-million-dollar-cure/686/

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  117. So you helped vote Labor out. Here’s something to think about.

    How will you feel when the reality of an Abbott Government hits home? How will you feel when it starts to hurt your pocket? How will you feel if the interest rate goes up on your mortgage, bearing in mind that Joe Hockey – during Labor’s term – repeatedly claimed that low interest rates were a bad thing? And how will you feel when the boats won’t stop? And how would you feel . . . Stop they will.

    If you have school-aged children…

    Under Labor you would have received the Schoolkids Bonus of $410 a year for each child in primary school and $820 a year for each child in secondary school. That’ll be gone. The Coalition will be axing the Schoolkids Bonus. middle class welfare. Can’t afford children, don’t have them.

    If you have children in after school care…

    Labor would have given $450 million in extra funding to up to 500 schools, so they can introduce or expand on after school care services. Under an Abbott Government that’ll be gone too. See last answer.

    If you want to go to university…

    If you are from a disadvantaged background, Labor would have given $50 million in funding to 17 higher education institutions to boost participation. An Abbott Government won’t. Pork barrelling. Neither would the alp. The piggy bank’s empty.

    If you’re an apprentice…

    Labor would have boosted the completion payment under the Tools For Your Trade initiative from $1500 to $2000. The Abbott Coalition Government will be scrapping those incentives. Instead they will be providing apprentices with a Trade Support Loan of up to $20,000 over four years during the apprenticeship. It will be repayable. As it should be. No more handouts.

    If you’re a low income earner…

    And you earn less than $19,400, from 2015-16 you would not have needed to file a tax return because Labor intended to increase the tax free threshold. An Abbott Government will abolish the low income super contribution, which pays people who earn $37,000 or less per year up to $500 each financial year to help save for their retirement. You lose. Learn to live within your means. Everyone else does.

    If you’re unemployed…

    Labor would have spent $35 million over three years to provide about 8900 disadvantaged job seekers with simulated work experience and training in employability skills such as language, literacy and numeracy. An Abbott Government won’t. WTF is simulated work experience. Get a job!

    If you work in the public service…

    Yours might be on of the 12,000 jobs that go. They say they will be lost through natural attrition. Doesn’t matter: it’s a job lost . . . for someone else. About bloody time. Tell someone who cares.

    If you’re a small-business owner…

    Labor would have given an upfront tax deduction for small businesses when they buy equipment and assets worth up to $10,000. But not Tony Abbott. Instead, his Government will axe a $6500 instant asset write off for small businesses with a turnover of less than $2 million. They will also axe a tax-loss carry-forward scheme, which allows businesses to claim losses of up to $1 million against tax they have paid in the previous two years. Learn how to run a business successfully. Stop looking for govt handouts.

    If you work in health or community services…

    Labor would have spent $30.6 million to support more than 5800 workers to be upskilled in sectors such as disability services, aged care and childhood education. These industries will be ignored by an Abbott Government. Perhaps the HSU could part with some of their annual $50 million collected from 86,000 members in union fees? Where is the money? Ask the ex member for Dobell.

    If you work in the car industry…

    Labor would have given a $500 million boost to the car industry funding to the end of the decade and $300 million a year beyond 2020. Not Tony Abbott: his Government will cut $500 million from the Automotive Transformation Scheme. It’s called competition. Perhaps they shopuld build something competitive that might sell and sell those jets that their execs fly all over the planet in.

    If you’re in a same sex relationship…

    Labor would have introduced a Bill into the Parliament to legalise same-sex marriage. As long as Tony Abbott is Prime Minister, this will never happen. Good. Simulated Reproduction Experience is what alp would have created, at taxpayers expense ONCE GAIN..

    If you use the internet…

    Labor would have rolled out the National Broadband Network which aimed for speeds of 1000 megabits per second by 2021. Not Tony Abbott: his broadband would aim for at least 25-100 Mbps by 2016 and 50-100 Mbps by 2019. And don’t forget his secret plan to filter the internet. Be careful of what you say – he’ll be listening. Then comes the knock on your door. Not one of you socialist trolls could ever afford 1000 megabits per second. get your hands off it. The NBN is a pipe dream.

    If you’re planning on having a baby…

    Then I hope you’re on at least $150,000 a year. If not, you’ll be treated as a second class citizen. What is wrong with being second class?

    If you are an Indigenous Australian…

    Labor promised a large number of measures under its Closing the Gap policy, including $777 million over three years to continue the National Partnership Agreement for health and $1.5 billion to provide job seekers in remote communities with local support.

    Tony Abbott will be cutting $42 million from Indigenous services. You could talk to him about it when he stays in your community for a week. Exactly, labor promised…nuff said. Lnp delivers.

    If you have a disability…

    Labor would have invested more than $14 billion for disability services over seven years for DisabilityCare. Do you really believe an Abbott Government will? Yes, they’ve said they will….refer previous paragraph re labor promises.

    If you require aged care…

    Labor would have invested $3.7 billion in aged care reform over five years, including more than 40,000 extra home care packages. Abbott won’t. He’ll blame the budget emergency. Would they? I don’t think so. Where are all those medical centres promised by labor 6 years ago? Another Pipe dream….pork barrelling.

    If you’re a victim of assault…

    … that is sexual assault or domestic violence related, Labor would have spent $31.2 million to support victims. You can forget that now. Forgotten.

    If you have health issues…

    Labor would spent $50 million to improve care for stroke sufferers, $10.5 million on emergency asthma training, $3.2 million funding for Arthritis Australia, $21 million for family mental health services and $30 million for STI and blood borne virus prevention. You can say goodbye to that. Abbott’s budget emergency will ensure you’ll receive no help. Rich mothers will though. My mum wasn’t rich and she raised her family without all the above handouts. You socialists expect everything for nothing.

    If you pay super…

    The Coalition will delay increases to the super guarantee. This means it will be frozen at its current rate of 9.25 per cent until July 1, 2016 when it will increase to 9.5 per cent.

    What’s the rush? 2016 is only a little over 2yrs away and besides Swan knifed my voluntary contributions, meaning I might not have enough to be self funded and not a burden on the public purse. Hopefully voluntary contributions will be restored so workers can plan for their retirement.

    Have you any more lies you’d like to peddle?

    yajustgottalaugh 😉

  118. What like the bunch of lies you just told Summo, no thanks. We are into facts and from what I’ve seen you are into bullshit and laughing at yourself.

  119. Who would apply for the worst job in Australia?
    Leader of the Opposition , Leader of the Parliamentry Labor Party.
    Why?
    You are paid/retained on an hourly basis, you need protective clothing ie
    kevlar vest to back area – to prevent backstabbing, need a few union memberships
    and be totally unaccountable and unpredictable on everything from policy to

    punctuality

  120. Voyager, how about a source for your very “interesting” information. I’d be very interested to examine it. Actually I really do want to examine it. You really have sparked my curiosity in that one.

  121. Who would apply for the worst job in Australia?
    Leader of the Opposition

    Indeed.

    You are paid/retained on an hourly basis, you need protective clothing ie kevlar vest to back area

    Are you referring to Nelson or Turnbull? Or are you ignorant of ‘history’? Or just selective of same?

    Just askin …

  122. “Can’t afford children, don’t have them.”

    So Summo how do you feel about paying rich people 75 grand to employ a nanny for 6 months while they go get their nails done and work out with their personal trainer to get rid of that baby belly so they can fit into their designer clothes again?

  123. meaning I might not have enough to be self funded and not a burden on the public purse

    Dear oh dear. Why don’t you take responsibility for your lack of financial planning?

    As someone who doesn’t want to be a burden ‘on the public purse’ then the choice is simple. Don’t be. Refuse a pension. Refuse all government assistance.

    Be pure. Or is that too hard?

  124. ” Lnp delivers”….

    So far they have promised to deliver 45 reviews/white papers/green papers/audits because we all know paying consultants hundreds of millions of dollars is very productive, particularly when they are reproducing studies that have already been done by independent bodies like the productivity commission and infrastructure Australia and the csiro and the henry review and the gonski review and the Houston expert panel on asylum seekers and Treasury and the PBO and the IPCC and the IMF and the OECD etc etc etc.

    Tony is too gutless to actually do anything at all. We will stagnate or go backwards for a little while until Australians realise they have elected someone to be PM who thinks back pedalling is a skill and lycra is a fashion must.

  125. Summo dosen’t get that all his ‘little points’ add up to 3/4’s of Australians….. thick comes to mind 🙄 …. and might I add Dummo…. purely as an ad hominem- you wit, ewe, baa 😀 … and only because your an self admitted White-Winger ( damned lisp)…. but could you please tell us why your so against so many of your fellow Australians ❓ ….. and how did you get to be such a nasty, horrible impersonation of a person 😕 😦 …….what I feel sad about, Summo, is that we only go around but once…… and you have to go around as you, bugger 😯 ………and your such a lost ‘sole’, to boot 😦 …… but, hey, I’m forget’n…. Tony’s in…… your gunna do better than being two planks now…. you’ll be three…. well done, ewe ………… no, really 😉

  126. Seriously, for the first time since turning 18; some 20 years ago, I did not want to vote….our country is in sad state of affairs and it scares me what it is going to be like for my daughter when she is my age. I worked in the public service before my job got outsourced through the change of government last year….the way it was handled was appalling. We were told through the media…our superiors had been warned by the leader of the government we were not to be told until new budget was announced, yet there it was in the news….it was devastating, especially since a few weeks before our superiors had told us because we were front line staff our positions were safe. I can tell you now, I was not an overpaid, bludger….the problem is, the government is getting rid of public servants who matter; the ones who actually do the work and are on lower incomes. I know there are a lot that are on a higher income, do nothing, but will retain their positions. What about the politicians taking a pay cut. And how about Judges who, when they retire continue to get a nice sum of money until they die; and then do you know if their spouse survives them, then they too will get half of what their Judge was being paid….who do you think pays for this??? Judges are on great money, and if they can’t live of what they have earned over their time in office, then why do we have to pay for them?? After all, when I retire, I am going to have to rely on my superannuation, aren’t I? So why are Judges and politicians different to us? Our country is in a sad state of affairs because, yes, we spent too much money and cuts do need to be made, but those cuts are being made in the wrong places…should we not start at the top…ie politicians and work our way down the ladder? I’d love to see politicians raise a family and live of $40,000 a year and maybe, just maybe, they might think how tough some families are doing it. Uni students are the hardest hit…I’m a mature age student and cannot believe how some students survive. They are trying to get a better education, yet some of them have to rely on handouts (food etc) from donations student guild get…..uni students get a pretty raw deal…the benefits they get are enough to cover their rent….uni is hard enough without having to worry about where their next meal is coming from. As for pensioners, well, I’d love to see our politicians live off $300 a week to make ends meet…..yeah, we all know who is getting the raw end of the stick….and it sure isn’t the politicians or higher income earners….and please, don’t pick my opinion to pieces…I have limited knowledge on bigger issues, the issues I have stated here are things I have experienced/lived myself the past two years…

  127. Bacchus September 10, 2013 @ 10:04 pm
    “Oooo I don’t know TechinBris – V’s imagination could be a very strange thing to examine”
    I think it would be good for my study when I am unemployed and studying Psychology as it will be a booming industry with life under the thumb of people such as this.
    Who knows, I may in the future be able to officially certify such people as “V” as mentally incapacitated and to kick in the Power of Attorney for their life affairs.
    :{)

  128. Right wing minds are fairly basic really with little to no imagination.

    There are studies if you search, and on the thinking of the left as well. Interesting stuff and goes a long way to explaining why the right so doggedly go against reality and facts to spout their narrow ideological motive. It also explains why many vote conservative even when doing so harms them or is the worse choice for them personally, and it explains their love of Howard though the man was divisive, deceptive, manipulative and as power brokers on his side of politics stated, one of the most devious politicians ever.

  129. Mike Wilkinson September 10, 2013 @ 2:05 pm
    “Scaper… I don’t think the Libs will get two terms! When their “policies” start to bite ordinary Australians the backlash at the next election will be huge!”

    Actually, and unfortunately, I would have to disagree with you Mike. Unless massive amount of Australian’s realize that Leigh Sales and numerous other Media “Stools” have goaded them with bullsh!t to vote against their best interests, the same will happen next Election and there will be even more RWNJ fringe Candidates to choose from, guaranteeing a majority in both houses to screw Australian’s blind.
    It is stealing Democracy by stealth. Being done all over the world in different ways according to whatever the local system is. Really, it is very clever and a thing of beauty to behold, even though it is utterly disgusting to see also.
    Unfortunately, I don’t think Australia has the nous to save itself anymore. Just look at the caliber of the RWNJ on here. Sad efforts really, in their trying to convince us to be blood sucking Capitalist and it is not just ok, but wonderful. Not convincing and definitely shows the dumbing-down goes to the left and right.
    So unless Leigh Sales is going to don sackcloth on National TV, I won’t believe a word she says. I suggest we watch her for the giggles we’ll get. It is Comedy, isn’t it?

  130. Möbius Ecko September 11, 2013 @ 9:30 am
    So I am discovering. Fascinating stuff it is. Amygdala, nut sized and slightly larger in RWNJs. I am so glad more people put their Frontal lobes to check and overule the “urges” from this primal emotional driver. Probably why propaganda is so pervasive now as they have to activate their “message” in the frontal lobes of most people.
    I notice “Niel in Sydney” is suddenly quite today. *poke*

  131. TechinBris I know this will get a backlash, but there is a similar mentality is in play with the right wing and those who join sects that obviously will lead to their self destruction.

    Have you ever wondered why doctors, lawyers, wealthy business people and others who would normally be very intelligent people join sects? It a similar mentality that has the right wing blindly and unquestioningly following their ideology to their own detriment, denying facts and reality. They even sell this as a strength, and that the left introspectively turning on their own as a weakness whilst overlooking the fact that this is what leads to progression and improvement.

  132. Interesting article. What have we got in Tony?

    “……….So I just don’t see it; the new respectful Tony. I see the old haranguer, and blunderer albeit somewhat tempered in his delivery. But Abbott has been let off the hook largely because we had swallowed the message and polls declared he was unstoppable. The coalition has claimed that the previous government was ruining us all through the carbon tax. Even though The Economist rated the Rudd government as a better economic bet.

    Abbot has relentlessly without any conscience, Christian or otherwise, falsely branded a price on carbon as a terrible impost on ordinary Australians. Something that would bring ruin on us all. Conversely in repealing it, his job is largely done and we are all saved. His links to the scurrilous IPA climate denier institute are widely publicized. Nothing new here.

    When he says I will keep my promise and his first task is to organize , carefully and plan fully and methodically his dismantling of a price on carbon, this is not keeping a promise to the people.

    Is this really a nod and wink to buddies who would stand to gain from this policy: the backers of the Institute of Public Affairs.

    Otherwise he is in no hurry to actually convene Parliament. Nothing much, ,to see or talk about here. This is not government for and by the people of Australia.

    Since becoming PM Elect, Tony Abbot has affirmed his commitment to these promises, [or threats]. Ending the carbon price, stopping the boats and ending the mining tax, while giving carte blanche to mining interest, reducing Foreign Aid by $4.5 billion…oh and building a few roads. We are to remain inequitably rich and very mean. This injustice should enrage us writes Jason Childs.

    Meanwhile no mention is being made of that faux policy, Direct Action on Climate, just of the dismantling of environmental protection and of withdrawing support for renewable energy by dismantling the successful clean energy fund.

    There is no compassion for the pain and plight of refugees. No mention of caring for their life or limb……………”

    http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15462&page=3

    Personally, I hope he is as lazy when it comes to what happens in the parliament, as in the past, ad he does little.

    That would suit me.

  133. Möbius Ecko September 11, 2013 @ 10:29 am
    You know what your saying is the snake eating its own tail thinking its having a wonderful meal. Sad, if it wasn’t so tragic.

  134. I wonder if Abbott is going to talk to overseas leaders, in his haltering slow speech, that one might used with a two year old, or is he going to show us, he can speak as one does to adults. Just wondering.

  135. Neil of Sydney September 11, 2013 @ 10:48 am “Wow. I see people who believe the are morally superior to anyone else are giving their opinions.”
    No. It is just that some show how petulantly childish they can be in their demanding that because they don’t have something, then no one else can have it. Except of course if they have it, then stuff the others as they don’t care. Sound familiar to you Neil? You espoused just that in earlier comments. Read again and weep.
    Just to show we are compassionate, we won’t ridicule you for it if you spare us the clap trap of the RWNJ stuff.

  136. “It is just that some show how petulantly childish they can be in their demanding that because they don’t have something, then no one else can have it”

    If you are talking about my comments about Public Servants, i am not sure i said that. Since they are getting their salaries from taxpayers i do not think they have the right to demand a permanent job. Very few people in the private sector have permanent jobs.

    If Public Servants generate their own income they can do with it what they like. But they do not generate much income. Remove the taxpayer funding and the Public Service would collapse.

  137. How will I feel?
    I already am disgusted by Rudd’s treachery and hypocrisy in deposing PMJG, thus enabling this conversation.

    The ship of fools that is the coalition will damage our economy, society and foreign relations as they continue their war(s) on reality through their laughable and toadying “policies”. Generally outsourced to the ipa and similar lunatic extremists.

    I imagine feeling a certain wry amusement. (masking the horror) as reality prevails over their deceitful rhetoric, thus illustrating the venality of their “arguments” as our civilisation is hastened to its collapse through their actions and inaction.

  138. Oh Neil, your comprehension and memory retention must be fading…again. You looping and we’ve already been over this. Boring. The answer is exactly the same. Or was it too complex for your amygdala. Try the frontal lobe instead and rejoice at your discovery of intelligence….that is possible if you choose it.
    I hold the mirror up to your imprecations. Enjoy the reflection.

  139. But I at least managed to get connected to the NBN before the election.

    Speaking of which,HERE is a link to a well written essay, and petition to the new PM asking that the inferior FTTN NBN, model be discarded in favour of the superior FTTH model already commenced.

  140. Are TechinBris I see you’ve met Neil, who I long ago stopped reading.

    I’ve been in blogs with Neil for a number of years and can tell you that all he ever does is repeat the same narrow talking points over and over, obfuscate and divert.

    The moment you pick a flaw or present facts he obfuscates and raises an irrelevant off topic point he’s raised multiple times before.

    The moment you point out flaws in the Liberals, and especially his beloved Howard, he will do a look over there at Labor or some Labor pollie, and again bring up a point he’s bought up multiple times before, off topic and irrelevant.

    He will bring up historical context to can Labor but will question why you bring up bad history on the Liberals when it is the present and that history is beside the point.

    Insulting him is manna to him, he wallows in it, and goes off on his tangents and the same old Labor bashing points as vindication for getting attention. The more you engage him the more he loves it.

    Ignore him or you will be doing nothing but going around in circles wasting your time.

  141. Does one remember this reality. Remember, there are 16 members of this government, now on Abbott’s front bench.

    We can be thankful that Obama does not see the USA’s tole as world policemen.

  142. pterosaur1 September 11, 2013 @ 1:06 pm.
    Tony Abbott can read????!!!!! OMG! One learns of something startling every day! I didn’t think someone who was so primitive could comprehend modern thought, let alone technology that was advanced on 1955.
    Anyway, Rupee the loopy won’t let him continue the NBN and will take his coveted PM title away from him if he does. Just imagine the Terrorgraph’s front page spread with “GET RID OF THIS DOG!”

  143. TechinBris,

    I concur with what Mö said. Neil can be fun to play with for a while, but after 6 or 7 years of the same crap, it does get a bit monotonous.

    Enjoy your “play” with him while it’s still enjoyable though 😉

  144. This is just fanciful thinking, but I will write it anyway.

    What Labor should do, in relation to the so called carbon tax, is tell Abbott to lodge all legislation related to the rescinding the CEF and all it entails. I say this, as there is much more to those bills that a simple tax.

    At the same time, I would be telling Abbott, there will be no vote from Labor, until he also lodges all the legislation that relates to his Direct Action Scheme. Every but.

    I would then tell Abbott, Labor intends to debate bot sets of legislation fully. That Labor also intends to promote wide debate within the community of both.

    At the end of the process, they will be asking an informed public what should occurs next. Yes, even a poll.

    At least, it will allow an informed public to voice their wishes. If, it is as Abbott claims, the election was a referendum on the “carbon tax”, this will be proof.

    If it was just about another tax, just going along with Abbott would be possible. It is not just another tax. Most believe that carbon emissions have to be addressed, that we have no choice in this matter.

    It is time that Abbott is forced to put some meat on those slogans. Yes, defend his position. Otherwise, I see us getting another Petersen, the former Queensland Premier, that told his people nothing, with his, do you worry about that.

  145. If Abbott decides to stay in his own home, will we pick up the bill for his mortgage and other expenses. In fact, will we be paying rent, so he can live at home, near his beloved beach. We know from Howard’s day, we will have extra expenses, flying the PS and officials from their base in Canberra.

  146. I already am disgusted by Rudd’s treachery and hypocrisy in deposing PMJG, thus enabling this conversation.

    I AGREE!

    All this talk about how many seats he ‘saved’, ignores the reality of how many seats he lost with his undermining.

    I hope, for the sake of the Labor party, that he goes of quietly, and allows them to re-focus themselves on their strengths, progressive politics, and, as Tanya Plibersek said the other day, air your grievances AWAY from the media, not to them.

    Their is one main reason for labor losing. it wasn’t tabot, it wasn’t ‘waste’, it was disunity.

    Aided and abetted by our ever compliant media.

  147. To those questioning “why do people vote against their own interests?”, The Authoritarians is a very worthwhile analysis.
    As is his Comment on the Tea Party made subsequently to the earlier work. The comments made with respect to “Authoritarian Follower” traits, listing a dozen such, bear striking similarities to the situation we currently face, in attempting to deal with the cultural warriors of the Low Wage Conservatives.

  148. Bacchus September 11, 2013 @ 1:22 pm.
    Yep Bacchus, I know, after a while most Clowns, whilst entertaining at first, they become repetitively boring after a while withe the same ol’, same ol’, etc, and ad-infinitum.
    He’s easily herded though. Most are a little hard to box in a corner. He herds himself. In a way, it is almost civilized.

  149. Möbius Ecko September 11, 2013 @ 1:13 pm.
    Thanks for the info Mö. I am sure I can use that. *grin*
    Ever watched a Dog barking at itself in a mirror? The more it barks the more the reflection appears to be responding to it and it barks harder. *grin* People do it too.

  150. So Summo how do you feel about paying rich people 75 grand to employ a nanny for 6 months while they go get their nails done and work out with their personal trainer to get rid of that baby belly so they can fit into their designer clothes again?

    KL, Probably the same way you feel about those women and their husbands in the public sector who’ve had those rights on $150K a year for years? What makes the public sector so privileged that those in the private sector should be disadvantaged? .

    By the way, don’t write such exaggerated tripe about nannies, personal trainers and all the other bullshit….who has the dough for that?

    yajustgottalaugh 😉

  151. Sumo – Public Servants think they are a priveldged class and totally immune
    to accountability and job cuts. Techinqld would not survive in the private.
    Not only does he/she have a real chip on the shoulder but a very poor work
    attitude, would not make the team we would put together.

  152. Cannot help but agree. Labor needs to educate the public, in the reality theu voted for, along the way.

    “…If the majority of people vote for bad policy then they simply need to see that experiment fulfilled. It’s not our job to save the Liberal party from bad policy. It’s not our job to save the Australian people from bad policy if that’s what they choose,” he told ABC Radio on Wednesday.
    Mr Champion said that given the Coalition’s Direct Action policy would be a disaster, it would ”hasten their demise”.
    The policy has previously faced criticism from within Coalition ranks, both from MPs concerned about addressing climate change and those sceptical about the issue.
    ”If the Liberal Party want to hang themselves, well, we should give them….

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/let-coalition-hang-on-bad-policies-says-backbencher-20130911-2tiyn.html#ixzz2eYf3HHXv

    Just heard Hunt mention that Labor cannot turn it’s back on a referendum. What referendum? Was there one on Saturday. Must have missed it. Only given two pieces of paper. Inefficient mob, those electoral people.

    Yes, Abbott government is legitimate, duly elected according to the Constitution. Being so, I intend to give him and his government, the same respect he gave the last government.

    Just listened to Abbott addressing the Defence Chiefs. Sorry, the man appears to be worse, than expected.

  153. Actually Voyager, I have, will and also in other Countries in languages that where not my native tongue. I have glowing references.
    But then, going by your mode of thought, I would hazard your a tyrant to work under. All bully and not by respect.

  154. Business confidence data up yesterday and consumer confidence at it’s highest for three years today.

    All of business knew this would be the case. Spin that to not be true, wage slaves.

    On another front…Gina Rinehart was named NT business ambassador, along with another fifteen. Gina to sell top end to whole world. Was announced the other day but the MSM has not picked up on that yet apart from NT news.

    I’m sure the people of Tennant Creek will be looking on with interest. A small community but was a venue of Gina’s book launch where larger centres did not receive such attention. Wonder why???

  155. Tom, Rudd needs to save Labor, and let it get on with winning the next election, by going now, or at least when that DD is called.

    What Labor needs, is a clean slate, to get on with the job of convincing the public what a great party they are.

    Plenty of capable clean skins to get on with the job.

    No. a prudent Labor will not be in the business of no no no, but educating the public on how bad, Abbott’s policies are.

    It is time to forget about personalities and images.

  156. As my young grand daughter said to me, we are confused, we need to know why. Abbott was about no no no. bad bad bad but no explanation of why.

    This is what I believe many are crying out for. Not arguments and name calling.

  157. “Business confidence data up yesterday and consumer confidence”

    Happens every time the Coalition regains power. Shame it is generally short lived. Heard experts, say, they believe it will be extra short this time.

  158. So, it looks like it is either Shorten or Albanese who will be the next Labor leader.

    If Albanese I predict a comment from the opposition, “The opposition of no consequence.” If Shorten, “I agree to disagree with whatever you said.” Political road kill, the both of them!

  159. What was that speecjh of Rudd’s really about. Was it all about getting even with Gillard.

    “……On Saturday night, when it had been confirmed that the Labor Party had suffered a massive defeat, with the worst primary vote for more than 60 years, a strangely euphoric Kevin Rudd took to the microphone to deliver a concession speech that sounded not sad or upset, as befitting the occasion, but victorious. His wife, Therese, standing at his side, at times looking worried, glanced at him nervously all the while, but the man himself kept smiling and talking as if he couldn’t contain his happiness. Others in the Labor Party might be feeling despondent, but he felt triumphant, because in the struggle that really mattered, with the woman who had taken his position as prime minister, he had been victorious. This was his celebration..”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/womens-vote-in-play-even-after-gillard-demise-20130909-2tg66.html#ixzz2eZ6PO8dW

    Wonder will we ever learnt, what really went on the night, that Gillard felt that she had no option but to put Rudd aside and run.

  160. No scaper. I hope the economy flies. Just pointed out a couple of facts. Not my opinion by the way.

    I expect figure to be good for a while yet. it will be a while, before anything Abbott does, has any effect. A long time, in fact.

  161. scaper, I do not see the role of Labor to talk the economy down for the next three years, as Abbott did during all his time as Opposition leader. Do not see Labor’s job iof destroying Abbott and his policies. I am sure he will manage that on his own.

    I see Labor’s role. as saying why policies are bad, and putting forwarded better options.

    scaper, it is the likes of Hunt and Abbott, that have their heads in the sand.

    Comments, on MSM sites, do not seem to believe in Abbott’s belief in any mandate.

    The mandate, is the votes, Abbott can muster on the floors of both houses. No less, no more.

    It appears, that there is not even a model for Direct Action. Talk about lack of policy and expecting one to take, sight unseen.

    Sorry, Hunt, both need to be in parliament at the same time. CEF and Direct Action

    Day 100, they will have white paper out on Direct Action. Do this mob live in fairy land.

  162. Michael Taylor September 11, 2013 @ 4:56 pm
    Of course they show their true colors. They are either paid to say this stuff or they are perpetrators of everything that is disrespectful to the average human. If they didn’t promote it to others, they would not have the self respect they are so good at convincing themselves that they have, which simply does not exist. Simply put, they fall for their own propaganda. Poor twits. They deserve your sympathy Michael, even though its worth too much to be wasted upon such inhumane creatures from the middle ages. I pity those who must have to tolerate them in the workplace.

  163. You pointed out no facts, just statements based on your political bias. Business has taken a hammering, I’ve never seen anything like it and you can’t blame the GFC.

  164. New slogan Carefully, methodically and examine… what already has been done.

    Hunt on ABC 24. No answers for most questions. All to be worked out. Capital Hill

  165. I forgot the one word slogan Mandate, or even clear mandate. There is an essay of Abbott’s around that argues the opposite, in which he says, Opposition has mandates to, from those who elect them.

    Yes, they do have to explain what Direct Actions means. Also they need to explain what that so called carbon tax, finances.

    It appears, that DA still has to be worked out.

  166. The same experts that didn’t see the sub-prime crisis coming or the ones like Swan and Rudd trying to keep the inflation genie in the bottle just before the hit?

  167. Scaper, I am looking very hard, to find out the details of what Abbott is about. Please help me, i can find none.

  168. Heard Liberal person, just say, that Mirabella should not be a minister, as she will have plenty to do, protecting her paper tin majority.

  169. It appears, two million did not vote. That is a little frightening, as Hitler got in on record majority, but very few turned up to vote.

    Democracy is a precious but fragile thing.

    All it takes, to preserve it, is a little attention from all those who are obligated to vote.

    Once lost, hard to get back.

  170. Not many overseas, seem to be holding Mr. Abbott is in high esteem.

    Ridicule seems to be the norm. Not a good start for a new PM.

  171. Stephen Koukoulas ‏@TheKouk 20h
    Curious that the last interest rate cut under a Coalition govt occurred in December 2001. I wonder when the next one will be?
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  172. Is this the reality. Candidates kept hidden for the duration of the campaign.

    “…………..Andrew Nguyen believes the Liberals failed to understand ethnic minority voters. Photograph: Liberal party
    A Vietnamese-born Liberal party candidate, who was unsuccessful in the election, has attacked the party for lacking “an ethnic brain” and for banning him from talking to the media.

    Andrew Nguyen, who stood in the electorate of Fowler, told the Liverpool Leader the Liberals would “never ever” win seats in western Sydney because it failed to understand ethnic minority voters.

    “It is a disaster for the Liberals in the western Sydney area,” he said. “The Labor candidates were everywhere in western Sydney. They went to every suburb with a large concentration of ethnic people and migrant refugees.

    “Where were the Liberals? We were nowhere because the party just looked for a nationwide win.”

    Nguyen suffered a 9.5% swing to incumbent Labor MP Chris Hayes, despite the national tide flowing in favour of the Coalition.

    The unsuccessful candidate said he had been hindered by party rules that barred him from speaking freely to the media in the wake of Jaymes Diaz’s difficulties.

    “No one in western Sydney was allowed to talk; it was party policy,” he said.

    “I was not allowed to talk to anyone, I was told to turn off my phone…”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/liberal-andrew-nguyen-western-sydney

  173. Liesalot is set to face a reality of his own wrt the coal industry and his obsession with repealing the carbon price, scrapping the mining tax under pressure from Gina Rinehart.

    The $7bn Wandoan coal mine in Qld has been scrapped due to a fall in demand and prices and according to reports from Citi, the world’s biggest investment bank, China is set to “dramatically cut its demand for coal” by putting a cap of $4bn tonnes on coal consumption.

    Deutsche Bank said earlier this year that it expects demand to peak in 2017, although under one of its scenarios, which puts Rinehart’s Alpha and Clive Plamer’s China First projects may also suffer the same fate as Wandoan,

    Citi has predicted that it could peak next year. Goldman Sachs also says that the window for coal investment is closing rapidly.

    This may also explain Palmer’s sudden launch into politics.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/tony-abbott-gets-crash-course-in-carbon-bubbles-88258

    I wonder where this will leave Rinehart’s grandiose ANDEV scheme? lol

  174. Albo or Peckerpants?….wow looks as though the alp is on a roll. Peckerpants Mark 1 Hawk, Keating (closet homo), Beasley, Crean, Boofhead, back to Beaaazley, (let’s ship him stateside shall we) Rude (knife), then Gillard (knife) then back to Rude (knives are out again for the saviour)…..the alp would be the most organised functional troop since F Troop..ohhhhh..hahahaha

    I can’t wait to see Peckerhead or Albo in charge…roflmfao! Dopey pricks!

    yajustgottalaugh 😉

  175. Lobby groups that donated heavy to Abbott and the Liberals are making their way to Canberra or are already there, and already it seems some aren’t happy at rival lobbyists being there demanding they get preference from Abbott.

    Some potentially good news and suspicion on my behalf.

    1000 misplaced votes have been found in Indi and all were votes against Mirabella, so she is further behind.

    Oh yeah, 1000 votes that just happened not to be votes for Mirabella, a known cheater, were “misplaced”.

  176. Shorter Summo.

    Look over there at Labor instead of my already failing beloved idiot of a leader.

    yajustgottalaughatme.

  177. “Albo or Peckerpants?

    Trouble with Plibersek is that her husband is a convicted drug dealer. Not a lot of problem with that. We all have skeletons in our closets. However if she becomes leader of the ALP and wants to go to some country in Asia her husband may get banned from entry.

    Not a good look.

  178. Well pointed out Neil. Very valid point.

    Oh by the way, which of the Plibersik clan took 6 month FULL PAID maternity leave to care for their recent newborn? I hope it didn’t cost the tax payer $75,000?…or did it? Just asking….

    yajustgottalaugh 😉

  179. Well I am not laughing at Abbott’s today;s effort.

    Was not impressed by the way the rest of the world has greeted him.

    Most articles were of ridicule. A leader, the world is laughing at, before he is even sworn in. Not a very good start.

    One gets the impression, he is being seen as a joke.

  180. jane…please if you going to paste links, let it not be from such unsubstantiated crap places as wikkileaks…they are little more than a decrepit bladder.

    yajustgottalaugh 😉

  181. FU ..quite on the contrary, the PM of Indonesia couldn’t wait to invite our esteemed leader….pssst! He couldn’t stand the sight of Kevin.

    yajustgottalaugh 😉

  182. Yes Neil, a convicted drug dealer, who has paid the price and turned his life about. A man who accepted responsibility for his crimes.

    A man who now holds responsible positions, and is highly respected.

    Neil, you have never made a mistake. Appears not.

    Now what where those crimes, connected to Abbott.

  183. Summo, the leave that Tanya took, would have been paid for according to the rules that apply. Sophie has landed us with three lots of baby leave, since being in the house. Yes, she has three babies.

    Would love to see Tanya take the job, but I do not believe there is a Labor supporter alive, that would be happy to see any women exposed to the filth, that politics hands out to women leaders.

    summo, tell me what do you think of Abbott’s efforts with the defence chiefs. I take it, you were impressed.

  184. FU Neils point was that trainwrecks husband may have issues getting into foreign lands. How could you miss that…or did you simply choose to?

    yajustgottalaugh 😉

  185. “Yes Neil, a convicted drug dealer, who has paid the price and turned his life about. A man who accepted responsibility for his crimes.”

    Yep i agree with that. We all have skeletons in our closet.

    Trouble is if Plibersek becomes leader of the ALP and she wants to go to some country in Asia, her husband may be banned from entry. People with criminal convictions have trouble going to other countries.

    Surely the ALP can find a husband and wife team without a criminal conviction to lead the party.

    Maybe they can’t??

  186. FU. Did Plibersek or her spouse take parental leave for 6 months on full pay? That is all I am asking. Did she or the hubby get $75,000 in parental leave? If not then how much did they receive?

    yajustgottalaugh 😉

  187. summo, you have just pointed out the elephant in the room.

    Most of the women, Abbott wants to give his grandiose PPL,, are already covered by industry or other schemes. All more generous, than any low income earners have access to.

    What Abbott is really doing, is moving the responsibility from the employers to the tax payer.

    Why?

  188. Where did it say, the Indonesian leader could not wait to meet Abbott. Did not see that announcement. Maybe he cannot wait to see him in person, to tell him what he realty tonks of him.

    Plenty of Indonesian officials out there this week, telling Abbott one cannot turn back so many boats,.

    Do you really believe that Abbott is going to get far with the Indonesian leader. If so, you will believe anything.

  189. FU. Pull your head out of your *****, point to one industry already covered outside the public sector…just one! who is paying for public sector parental leave? Answer that! Yeah that’s right, the poor old taxpayers, INCLUDING THE LOW INCOME EARNERS!

    yajustgottalaugh 😉

  190. summo, why the abuse. Many high paid women, do indeed have maternity leave as part of their wage contact.

    You are now sounding like a idiot. Sorry, I am sure there will be women out there, that can tell us what maternity leave they are entitled too.

    summo, I always know when I have you, when you start the abuse. You cannot help yourself. I noticed that women, are the only ones you attack. Elderly ones at that.

    Are you really trying to tell me, that is it only women who work for governments, that have access to industry maternity leave.

    Why did Abbott then say, they could abandon the schemes when his PPL came in.

  191. Maybe the low income earner working on the capping line at Northgate cannery would like to be paid $17,000 for 6 months paternity leave, because currently under alp, she gets nothing except a baby bonus….or has that been wound back? Have you ever stopped to consider what the low income earner may appreciate, or do you just tow the socialist troll gossip. The shop assistant at Jeans West who currently gets bugger all, will now get 6 or 12 months off on full pay, fully costed and paid for by businesses like mine. When your daughter falls pregnant next year or the year after or whenever, be thankful that Abbott’s scheme will provide her with an income during a very stressful time aznd you won’t be digging into your pocket to support her. You just do not get it! and that is why

    yajustgottalaugh 😉

  192. Many high paid women, do indeed have maternity leave as part of their wage contact…to quote you FU.

    CORRECT! and negotiated with employers.

    The poor old manufacturing sector woman relying upon her $300k a year union rep gets zilch! Those outside the union…ditto!

    You cannot argue with that. It is the truth. What do you not understand? Women everywhere will be better off…and so will there husbands and those without husbands, their parents…and so will the economy, all paid for by a 1.5% tax on businesses like mine and I am not complaining. I think it’s wonderful and it’s affordable as a shared cost throughout business. Again? What do you not understand?

    yajustgottalaugh 😉

  193. We are Flogging a Dead Horse with all our Grumbles about Tony Abbottt and His mates , But we must not stop highlighting The obvious Faults The Born to rule Mob will Make , The MSM will not be changing their Lying reporting, Not while Murdoch and Other Powerful Mates are able to get away with their pompous Offerings, The Newspapers Need Income To survive and The Above mentioned People Provide The Funds as Long as The News is Slanted Their way Its Just The way it is , My own personal response is Not to Buy any of their Papers Not even if I need Some Toilets Paper,, The One shining light from Saturday is Mirrabellas probable demise, Keep Up with your grumbles it makes me realise I am Not Alone,

  194. summo, I said highly paid women,. Do not you ever read what is written. My point is, that most of those high paid, already do pretty well.

    “………..here there’s a lack of female talent there’s employer paid maternity leave on offer, according to new data from the Workplace Gender Equality Agency.
    And where you find yourself in a workplace surrounded by women, you’re less likely to receive such entitlements. Indeed, women still can’t expect their employers to offer such entitlements at all with almost half of all organisations surveyed by WGEA still not offering paid maternity leave on top of the Federal government scheme.
    The WGEA survey of 2294 companies with more than 100 employees found that those paying paid parental leave tend to be in male-dominated industries. Almost nine out of ten organisations in electricity, gas, water and waste services offer paid maternity leave entitlements on top of the existing government scheme. In financial and insurance services, 75.9% of organisations offer paid maternity leave, as do 68.3% of organisations in professional, scientific and technical services.
    But work in the more female dominated-industry of retail, and you’ll be lucky to receive paid maternity leave at all given just one in four organisations are currently prepared to offer it. It’s worse in the accommodation and food services industry – where more than half of employees are women – with just one in six currently boasting the entitlement.
    Interestingly, women in education and training fare much better than women working in female-dominated industries elsewhere. Four of five organisations in the sector currently offer paid maternity leave, with an average duration of 13 weeks.
    Industries that have had to compete for female talent appear to be the most generous in assisting women who take time out to have children. It shows that the business case for gender diversity is well and truly catching on, why else make the investment?
    Despite that, there appears to be little by way of commitment for those companies not currently offering paid maternity leave to do so in the future. Just 5.1% of companies not currently offering such leave reported they plan to do so in the next 12 months – if they all do, which is unlikely – that would take the total average of companies with more than 100 employees offering it to just over 50%.
    The average duration of employer paid maternity leave is 9.7 weeks and 1.6 weeks for paternity leave, which is a reasonable amount to receive when you factor in the current government scheme – 18 weeks at the national minimum wage for women and, as of January 1 2013, two weeks for men and partners.
    But receiving both entitlements is not the reality for most women having children. This WGEA study only surveyed organisations with more than 100 employees, the results would be very different and much more disappointing in smaller businesses…”

    http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talking-about/editor-s-agenda/dont-expect-employer-paid-maternity-leave-unless-youre-surrounded-by-men/201302211671

    This is my last word on the matter. I do not intend to allow summo to take me around in circles, as he usually does.

    I am sure, most of those low paid women, would rather have the school kids allowances twice a year, while their kids are being educated.

  195. and your last entire paste is trashed. It’s out the window under Abbott’s scheme. Again, what do you not understand? ALL WOMEN ARE NOW ELIGIBLE IN THE WORKFORCE IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR WAGE….DUH! HELLO! IS ANYBODY HOME..ARE THE LIGHTS ON? ROUND UP THOSE LOOSE KANGA IN THE TOP PADDOCK…..

    yajustgottalaugh 😉

  196. Do husbands have to travel with wives. That is a new one on me. I suspect he will be too busy, involved in his own job.

    Those, poor low paid women, will get the same low pay, under Abbot’ s scheme. They just might miss out on many other benefits, that are now means tested. The Abbott’s scheme is not as generous, as it is made out to be, for most.

    My daughters and grand daughters, seem to manage having kids, without the benefit of Abbott’s hand outs.

    It appears to be better off, that believe the community should to pay them to have kids. Not only pay them, but keep them in the manner they have come accustomed to.

    Have 11 grand kids, and the seventh great is on the way.

    Why not talk about Abbott and his wonderful policies he is to put in place.

    Plenty of employers are begging Abbott to abandon the scheme. Trouble is, when one has a baby, they cost one for a couple of decades, not two or three months.

    Childcare is more important to most.

  197. Summo you DO realise that Labor brought in the paid parental leave plan.

    “Parental Leave Pay provides eligible working parents (usually birth mothers) with up to 18 weeks pay at the rate of the National Minimum Wage, currently around $622 per week before tax.

    Full-time, part-time, casual, seasonal, contract and self-employed workers may be eligible.”

    And as for YOUR business footing the bill, I seriously doubt that someone who owns one of the 3000 biggest businesses in Australia would be as ill-informed as you.

    “COMPANY directors and chief executives have rounded on the federal Coalition’s $5.5-billion-a-year paid parental leave policy, warning it should at least be means tested and would make little difference in helping women to return to work. “

  198. What I am sick of, is Labor women being attacked at every opportunity.

    What has Tanya done, to merit your abuse of her.

  199. Do all women on high income, need government handout.

    Most, as I said, are covered by their boss, and do not need a handout from taxpayers.

    As I said, to debate with summo, means going around in circles. Time to jump of the merry go round. Ta.

  200. Kaye, I also believe it will not contribute much to productivity either,. I believe the Labor scheme was based on the Productivity Commissions recommendation, to get the greatest benefit for the economy.

    A more grandiose scheme will deliver little more.

    Abbott did have the choice, in changing the present scheme. He does not have to demolish everything in his path, to put his own dreams in place. That in itself is wasteful.

    There are three things that Abbott wants to demolish All three have little support from anyone, apart from Abbott. Some are even opposed to, in his own party.

    That is NBNCO, CEF and PPL.

  201. ALL WOMEN ARE NOW ELIGIBLE IN THE WORKFORCE IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR WAGE….DUH! HELLO! IS ANYBODY HOME..ARE THE LIGHTS ON? ROUND UP THOSE LOOSE KANGA IN THE TOP PADDOCK…..

    Hey you socialist prick! Why TF should self funded retirees or low income earners pay for this shit? Like annual leave, it’s a workplace entitlement – employers should pay their own way, not expect government to fund lifestyle. Welfare is meant to support those who are doing it tough, not those born with the silver spoon…

  202. Meanwhile, you and your ilk want to increase the tax paid by those least able to pay AND increase the tax on superannuation of the poor, while reducing the tax on the super of those that really don’t need it. Your colours are well and truly on display…
    👿

  203. “Why TF should self funded retirees or low income earners pay for this shit?

    I believe that Public Servants get paid parental leave.

    Is this correct??

  204. Sorry Neil, I’m not a public servant, so I don’t know about the conditions of employment of the public sector. I guess the main point here is if the employer values the work of their female employees, they should negotiate paid parental leave with those employees, rather than lose them due to baby rearing priorities.

    As Fu points out though, of more value to families is ongoing support for raising those children for over 20+ years – not just a short term welfare hit for six months.

    Employers, whether they be public or private sector, should be mainly responsible for retaining their staff, NOT the taxpayers.

    Means tested WELFARE to support those children can be where a government gets involved…

  205. “Sorry Neil, I’m not a public servant, so I don’t know about the conditions of employment of the public sector”

    Sounds like a cop out Bacchus. Everybody knows that Public Servants who get all their salary from the taxpayer gets PPL.

  206. Good luck to them Neil. So they should! As should private sector employees. In fact you’ll find most of the $150K+ employees in the private sector already enjoy generous parental leave. The whole point is that the employer should be responsible, where possible, NOT the taxpayer as a form of welfare. As part of workplace entitlements, fair enough. As welfare – sorry, means test it!

  207. Ya just got to laugh at Nos ‘n ‘ummm’o defending the indefensible in regards to Gina’s ‘Pope on a rope’ and his other fraudband..his not very waste cutting PPL scheme…..are they f’n rusted on’s or what 🙄 ….. they carry on like devotee’s blindly caught up in thier mantra ……..om, om….. disparate in their reasonings,…with their only goal being obfuscation and edification 😛
    …..and all in the name of deifying their, Kim il Un like puppet, Tony…… ‘all hail the great liar’ …om…om 😆 (Gina ‘n Rupert must be pissing themselves at how they have duped the likes of Nos ‘n ‘umm’o ‘n co )
    yajustgottalaughathowmanipulatedtheyarebwwhahaaa

  208. Help out a guy from the US who doesn’t follow politics in Australia too much. The list above shows the money that Labor would be handing out looks to be ~$200 billion. Help with my math: USA has 10 times the population of AUS so Labor in USA would hand out $2 trillion more than the $2.7 trillion the govt. spends now. Where could Labor come up with money that would almost double government spending?

  209. Did Plibersek or her spouse take parental leave for 6 months on full pay?

    I have no idea what her husband does, but as for MP’s

    but only until her formal maternity leave ends on October 31

    Which is not long, considering her child was

    Born on October 1 at Sydney’s Royal Hospital

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/nations-parliament-ruled-by-baby-louis/story-e6frea8c-1225936508798

    ALL WOMEN ARE NOW ELIGIBLE IN THE WORKFORCE IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR WAGE

    As they were under Labors scheme, although, all men were also under labors scheme, the libs, not so much. Also, under Labors scheme, taxpayers money, which is used for this, is evenly distributed, and can be used to pad existing schemes. The libs uses taxpayers money (targeted from self funded retirees no less) to replace existing schemes, disproportionately giving more taxpayers money to those most well off. And this, from an opposition who claimed they wanted to ‘stop the waste’

  210. Umm Vytas but what the Liberals (conservatives) here would be handing out is far more than that. A website has a comparison of the promises made by both parties and the Liberal Party outspent Labor by a lot. Plus the amount the Liberals are handing out hasn’t been costed, hasn’t been accounted for in savings and revenue as Labor’s has been and the Liberal’s largess overwhelmingly goes to the better off and big business whilst taking away money from the less well off and small businesses.

    And it doesn’t work in the simplistic way you put it, no government budget in the world does.

    Methinks you would be better off finding out how government budgets work in regards income, outgoings, costs, bonds etc. and even reading up on some economic theory wouldn’t go astray.

  211. ……..Prime Minister-elect Tony Abbott should not be aiming for a long list of accomplishments in his first 100 days of power – he should instead use this period to set out his reform agenda timetable.

    That’s the view of the Institute of Chartered Accountants Australia in a report on Thursday of what it believes should be the priorities of a coalition government in its first 100 days.

    The institute’s chief executive Lee White believes economic success would be increased if the government takes the time to set up robust policy-making processes from the outset.

    “Setting up good processes isn’t glamorous,” he said in a statement.

    “It won’t deliver an overnight win but it’s important work and if they get it right it will pay huge dividends throughout their time in office.”

    However, the report urges that the fixation on a set timetable to return the budget to surplus must change because it inflicts further stress on sectors that are already doing it tough, which could result in a worse economic outcome.

    It says the new government must provide a budget update or mid-year economic and fiscal outlook within the 100 days, given some of the big ticket items it intends to roll out, such as Mr Abbott’s paid parental leave scheme.

    The institute believes the government has a big opportunity to kick-start the tax reform agenda, but warns Australia will be taking a step backwards if the carbon price is repealed.

    “Driving businesses to become more carbon efficient is critical for our future,” it says.

    It says repealing the carbon price 18 months or more after it has been implemented will have a significant impact on business.

    “While a transition `back in time’ might sound simple enough in theory, in reality, there will be a broad range of potentially significant consequences that government and business haven’t yet fully considered, such as the potential impact on financial reporting and profit results.”

    It also says some concessions linked to the mining tax should be kept, even if the tax itself is scrapped.

    “We are not looking for a long list of accomplishments at the end of the first 100 days. Quite the reverse,” Mr White says.

    “We want the new government to set out its agenda, engage in consultation and work through a structured deliberative process of decision making before embarking on reforms.”

    ..
    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2013/9/12/election/abbott-urged-go-slow-reforms

    Personally, I hope, and suspect many that voted for Abbott, hopes he reconsiders many of his promises.

    In fact I hope this forever is elected PM. I, for one, have never seen campaigns promises where I support all.

    The one that needs serious reconsideration, is the suite of CEF legislation. Where is the need for all to go. It is much more that just a simple tax, as Abbott portrays it. There is much that is similar to the Oppositions Direct Action. The main difference, apart from it’is dependence on dubious science, is the way it is funded.

    Why the need for all to go. One could say the same about Labor[s PPL. Abbott could just be satisfied with making changes, that fit in with his desires.

    As for the NBNCo, Abbott really needs to reconsider this one. An inferior system, that will be more expensive in the long run, does not makes sense. After all, this will make money down the track. No one disagrees, that fibre to the premises well be needed in the foreseeable future. Why not do it up front.

    Personally, I do not want to see Abbott fail. That is not good for the economy or the future of this country., I accept that there is always more than one way to skin a cat.

    What makes me afraid, is Abbott’s apparent inability to see any thing worthwhile that has been achieved in the last six years. That only he and his party have the answers. That to me, is terrifying.

    I see any new governments role, to improve existing legislation, and put in place the necessary infrastructure to take us forwarded.

    No government has all the answers, and should have the ability ti see firstly, then accept the good that the previous government has done.

    Often it is more about how to do something, that any major difference, in believing what has been done, and what is needed.

  212. Yes Neil, they do, along with women in many other industries, especially those in the upper income region.
    .
    That is my point, why should the taxpayer be picking up the bill, to pay for those already covered by their wage contracts.

    Labor scheme is there for those who miss out, those on low incomes. Is not that they way it should be.

    Cannot find many, including the business community that supports Abbott’s scheme. Surely that says something.

    It adds unnecessary to the problems of budget structural problems that needs to be addressed. That of decreasing revenues, and increasing outlays. It is unnecessary. The present scheme is adequate. Allows the low income mother to survive when she has a baby. Does not keep her in the lifestyle that she has become accustomed to.

    High income earners appear to believe, they are entitled to their standard of living, no matter the economical conditions that face any country. If their job or conditions change, they put their hands out to the tax payers to make up the conditions.

    This is a security, that those on low income, knows does not exist.

  213. Well at last, they are attempting to defend Abbott’s policies. Shoe now on the other foot.

    Trouble is, it is hard to defend the indefensible.

  214. Looks like Tanya is the woman in their headlights. Wonder how long before Wong joins her. Seem to have forgotten about many of the other Labor women.

    Abbott will not have this problem. Not many, in fact very few, to be found on his front bench.

    Two I believe, plus the speaker.

    Will not even allow one, to lead the government in the upper house,

    How many Liberal women, came in, in this election.

    Yes, it is once again, a man;s club. Yes, those born to rule, are once again back in place.

  215. Karen Middleton ✔ @KarenMMiddleton

    PM elect Abbott has taken a call from US President Obama, congratulating on election result & talking Syria. John Kerry called Julie Bishop.
    12:11 PM – 12 Sep 2013

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/12/labor-leadership-rules-a-farce-says-conroy-live-updates?CMP=ema_792&et_cid=48678&et_rid=1876527&Linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.theguardian.com%2fworld%2f2013%2fsep%2f12%2flabor-leadership-rules-a-farce-says-conroy-live-updates

    That call was slow coming.

  216. Indonesians voice scepticism over Tony Abbott’s asylum policies ahead of visit
    On the eve of Tony Abbott’s first visit as PM, there are signs in Jakarta that no one buys his plan to stop people-smugglers………….


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/12/australia-indonesia-abbott-boats-yudhoyono?CMP=ema_792&et_cid=48678&et_rid=1876527&Linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.theguardian.com%2fworld%2f2013%2fsep%2f12%2faustralia-indonesia-abbott-boats-yudhoyono

    Mr Abbot humbled by call from Obama. Wonder why a Australian PM would feel humbled by a leader from another country. Does Abbott feel we are reaching above our station, when treating world leaders as one’s equal. Are we back to the national cringing days of the 1950’s.

    Bishop the younger, the only woman in Abbott’s front bench. Yes, we women are now back where we belong. Yes, that of serving men.

  217. I do not know how the Indonesians wil think about this one.

    “……………… AEST
    Barnaby Joyce has spoken to Guardian Australia’s political editor Lenore Taylor about the Indonesian government’s plan to buy 1m hectares of Australian farmland to breed cattle for the Indonesia beef market.

    Joyce – tipped to be agriculture minister in the new cabinet – is calling on Australians to make noises about it, and help him convince the Abbott government to step in and reject the plan.

    I will not be bullied into a position where people say this is xenophobic. I cannot possibly see how it is in the national interest, what benefit is it to Australian farmers, to Australian taxpayers, if another entity buys our land to breed their cattle, exports them to their own facilities and pays tax in another country.

    Read Lenore’s art…………..

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/12/labor-leadership-rules-a-farce-says-conroy-live-updates

    I suspect, Abbott will feel more humbled when he returns from Indonesia. Maybe he will be forced to listen, to what they are saying, about his aspirations.

    Sorry summo and Neil. Time to move on to todays happenings.

  218. I see your inferiority complex is showing, who cares if the government is dominated by men or women. The coalition preselects on talent, not gender and Labor preselects on affirmative action which has dished up talentless women to the electorate.

    Actually, your serving men comment belongs in the fifties as we all have moved on. Try to catch up.

  219. I see that Rudd has let on to certain journalists that he wants to be Labor leader…AGAIN!

    If Rudd stays in parliament, expect him to white ant the next leader. Should be expelled from the party as they’ve got nothing to lose by doing so.

  220. As for the NBNCo, Abbott really needs to reconsider this one

    Looks unlikely

    http://www.dbcde.gov.au/broadband/national_broadband_network_policy

    Mind you, when you click on the ‘policy’ all it begins with a blue badge saying ‘hope. reward. opportunity” it goes on to say, in part

    By contrast, under Labor’s NBN wholesale charges per user will triple by 2012

    Ignoring the factual accuracy (or lack of) that statement, it appears that their ‘policy’ is simply an attack on Labor. I thought this was the mob who railed about Labor using Treasury (as is their right) to look into their uncosted policies. But are now using Government websites, not Liberal websites, as nothing more than an attack on the opposition. I think we can expect a lot more of this in this ‘kinder, gentler” polity

  221. If Shorten gets the gig then the GG must resign as it is a clear conflict of interest. I reckon the next GG will be Peter Cosgrove. Downer has been considered but I would prefer a GG that was not a politician.

  222. It seems this time. Labor will not be walking away from the achievements of the last two terms, as they did with Keating.

    That is good.

    There was much achieved by Keating, which time has shown. This time, Labor will be proud of it;’s legacy. That is the way it should be.

    Not that Shorten would be my first pick.

    It is a shame that Tony Burke feels he is not ready. I have a feeling that Gillard felt the shame, when she took on the poison chalice.. I cannot be sure, that she made the correct choice, Maybe she should have waited.

    Even so, she delivered much to be proud of, and it appears, Labor is going to protect her legacy.

    At the same time, the decision led to her political career being badly curtailed.

    One can only wonder about how Gillard would have succeeded, if she took on the job under better circumstance.

  223. The new government will eat Shorten alive. Just like Labor did to Brendan Nelson who took the leadership because no one else wanted it.

    Got a lot of respect for Tony Bourke, he is aware of his capabilities and will grow but now is definitely not the time.

  224. Interesting. Not even big business seems to know what Abbott is about.

    “………….Last week I was yarning to the chief executive of one of our largest corporations, who had no idea of how the Coalition’s plans would affect his business and particularly his industrial relations.

    He turned out to be very pleased. If that CEO didn’t understand the Coalition’s plans then I am sure that the vast majority of the population is in the same boat.

    And so I will start the 2013 agenda for the 44th parliament with six ways the Coalition plans to transform the nation. Tomorrow there will be another six..

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/9/9/politics/abbotts-12-point-plan-transform-australia

    I suspect, many will be quick to tell Abbott, what they will not accept.

  225. scaper, I fail to see how a government, that represents only half of the population, is seen as an inferiority complex.

    I see such a government, as one full of gutless men, that are in fear of treating women on equal terms.

    What fairness is not in play when it comes to women.

    scaper, am i expected to admit that women are inferior to men, therefore not fit to be in politics

    Liberal women, have for the last few years being attacking Labor women, for how the party elects them.

    They say, that in their party, they are elected on merit.

    Are we to believe, there are no women with the Coalition ranks that merit being put forwarded for election..

    Are they saying Senator Nash, with her experience is not capable of being leader in the senate.

    Are they saying, that the younger Bishop is the only women in the government that merits promotion,

    Yes, if I was in the Coalition government, I would feel inferior.

    Inferior for the simple reason, that is how they treat women.

  226. There is no legal or constitutional conflict of interest where the GG’s son in law is the LOTO. There was much greater potential for even perceived conflict of interest when we had former cabinet ministers in the role of GG – think Bill Hayden, Sir Paul Hasluck and Baron Casey…

    The latest bleating is just CONservatives flapping their gums about matters beyond the capacity of their tiny intellects, or smarter more devious CONservatives playing partisan politics…

  227. scaper, it is Opposition leader, that Shorten is seeking.

    Anyway, there is no way this GG will survive under Abbott. Her term has been extended to get past the election. I am sure she has her bags packed, One can expect an announcement next week.

    You come up with some very funny ideas, to back up your beliefs

    Maybe the will give Sophie the job.

  228. scaper, I have never claimed that

    I believe there will be a great number of businesses that want the so called carbon taxes to stay. Just like, there where many that did not want Work Choices.

    I am sure, most will not be looking forwarded to a DD election.

    What business will be after is stability. Much of what Abbott intends, does not provide for that.

  229. scaper, do not mistake the agenda and desires of the IPA with what most business want.

    Abbott has adapted their agenda, not that of business, from where I sit. IPA and Murdoch

  230. I feel very superior to most of the men, in the coalition. In fact, I would not call many of them men.

    Take whiny Pynie for one. What man here would relate to him?

  231. In this day and age, and a long time since the 1950’s, how does one explain the lack of women in any government.

    By the way scaper, back in the 1950’s thanks to the way my mother conducted her life, I never felt inferior to any man. Always believe they are not capable of doing anymore than me.

    She was a woman born 1907, and always did what she wanted. Gender did not even enter her beliefs.

    Quite a successful business lady, who drove her own car, and lived a independent life until she married in 1939.
    I have never believe that gender has anything to do with one’s ability to live their lives as they desire.

    scaper, please do not insult me again, by coming back with, You are bitter and a man hater. I love the company of men. Just do not see then as superior because of gender.

    It doers take some explaining, why there is a lack of women in this government.

  232. I believe most of the men, that come here, feel the same way, about the men in the Coalition government,. In my opinion, most are definitely superior,

    Where is the feminism, in what I am saying.

    Just saying, I feel superior to most in the Coalition, Definitely applies to the few women, they have within their ranks.

    scaper, suggest you go to the dictionary and look up the word feminism. It fact, believing in feminism, is nothing to be ashame of.

    Believing women are inferior, definitely is.

  233. Barnaby Joyce already causing problems for Abbott. Wonder why Indonesia has made the decision to buy land at this time.

    Be interesting to see if Abbott goes to Indonesia, before the meetings next month.

  234. Should be interesting.

    “……….Prime Minister-elect Tony Abbott will attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Sri Lanka.

    Mr Abbott confirmed his attendance at the November summit in a telephone call with Sri Lankan president Mahinda Rajapaksa on Wednesday.

    The Colombo event will be the first CHOGM not attended by Queen Elizabeth II in 40 years.

    Prince Charles will be attending in her absence.

    It will also be a politically controversial event.

    Canada has threatened to boycott it to protest Sri Lanka’s human rights record.

    The British House of Commons foreign affairs committee called on British PM David Cameron not to go, on similar grounds, but he has confirmed his attendance.

    Perth hosted the most recent CHOGM in 2011.

    A delegation of Australian officials who were involved in the 2011 summit visited Sri Lanka in June to help with planning the 2013 ….

    http://www.skynews.com.au/politics/article.aspx?id=905309

  235. and corruption, only in Labor. Queensland seems to have problems getting their candidate to the finish line.

    ………Queensland Premier Campbell Newman has asked State Parliament to postpone its endorsement of former LNP treasurer Barry O’Sullivan as a federal senator.

    Mr Newman has told Parliament Mr O’Sullivan is under investigation by the state’s Crime and Misconduct Commission (CMC).

    MPs were set to vote this afternoon on Mr O’Sullivan’s appointment to replace federal Coalition frontbencher Barnaby Joyce, who resigned his position in the Senate to move to the Lower House.

    But an urgent LNP party room meeting was held t………….”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-12/barry-o27sullivan27s-appointment-to-senate-delay-amid-inducem/4954190

  236. Indonesians voice scepticism over Tony Abbott’s asylum policies ahead of visit
    On the eve of Tony Abbott’s first visit as PM, there are signs in Jakarta that no one buys his plan to stop people-smugglers………….

    Abbott will sell of 1 million a acres of prime cattle country to Indonesia to appease them, and to support his copy of the previous government’s boat policy rebadged as Liberal policy, but nowhere near the same as Howard’s, whose policy Abbott was saying for three years was the only policy needed as it worked before, only apparently it won’t work anymore because he changed it after saying it was a working policy.

    Standby for lots more of these underhanded policy changes or rebadged Labor policies sold as his own.

  237. Don’t know what’s happened to you scaper, you have become so lame and petty over the last months and worse since Abbott got elected.

    I guess as long as you think you’re funny and laugh at yourself then it’s OK.

    I can show you a link of Indonesians looking to buy a million acres of prime cattle land so as to set up their industry in Australia and undercut the live cattle trade and Australian producers, but you won’t be able to show me a source of them buying Nowra, which by the way is a Liberal seat, so selling off to China in a fire sale is definitely on the cards, it’s what Liberals do best.

  238. The coalition preselects on talent

    And the evidence is … Wait for it. Wait for it.

    James Diaz in the present. Peter Slipper in the past. And Tony Mack in the future. LOL. And we wouldn’t want to talk about Bernardi or Sophie would we?

    Talk about an apologist for the LNP. Not that they recognise him publically. Hunt for example reckons he’s a serial pest. Like dogshit on your boot I believe were his expressed sentiments. No matter how hard you shake, both he and the smell keeps hanging around.

  239. It appears our Igneous brothers and sisters do not trust Abbott. Wonder what they see, as many other have appeared to miss.

    “……………..Prime Minister for Indigenous Affairs? Hardly
    By Chris Graham
    Aboriginal Australians awoke on Sunday morning to find they had a new “Prime Minister for Indigenous Affairs”, a pledge Tony Abbott delivered during the 2013 election campaign.

    One problem: no-one, including within the media, ever stopped to ask Aboriginal people if they actually wanted a “Prime Minister for Indigenous Affairs”, and in particular whether or not they wanted Abbott.

    As it turns out, they apparently don’t………………
    ………………..And that explains how Aboriginal Australians awoke on Sunday morning to find they had a new “Prime Minister for Indigenous Affairs”, a pledge Tony Abbott delivered during the 2013 election campaign.

    One problem: no-one, including within the media, ever stopped to ask Aboriginal people if they actually wanted a “Prime Minister for Indigenous Affairs”, and in particular whether or not they wanted Abbott.

    As it turns out, they apparently don’t.

    Believe it or not, there is a simple way to get a broad feel for Aboriginal voting aspirations. All you need do is look at booths around Australia that are identifiably Aboriginal.

    That mainstream media are too lazy to invest the time to do this (it took me just four hours to analyse 48 identifiably Aboriginal booths) speaks some volumes about how effectively the rights and interests of Aboriginal people are served by that other pillar of democracy – a free and informed press.

    In any case, here are the facts.

    The average vote directed to Labor in identifiably Aboriginal communities outside the Northern Territory (we’ll come to the NT seat of Lingiari shortly, because it’s a whole other train wreck) was 71 per cent.

    The swing against the Coalition in some booths climbed as high as 40 percent, and averaged around 12 percent. That’s more than three times the national average (a 3.51 percent swing to the Coalition). And that’s in booths that overwhelmingly already voted Labor in the first place.
    To put that into some perspective for you, if a swing of 12 percent were to occur against either party in mainstream Australia, they would have been reduced to around 25 seats in a 150-seat parliament, aka “minor party status”.

    One of the most interesting seats – at least from the black perspective – is Leichhardt, the electorate that takes in all of the Cape York Aboriginal communities.

    Cape York, of course, is home to Noel Pearson, another self-styled “Aboriginal Prime Minister” who has for more than a decade been advising government directly on Aboriginal policy, whilst repeatedly claiming that only a conservative Coalition government can deliver real change.

    If you look at the Coalition’s election statement on Indigenous Australians, most of its policies come from Pearson. But it seems the good citizens of Cape York don’t share Pearson’s views on the way forward, due in no small part, I suspect, to the reality that after more than a decade of Pearson dominance, their lives have not improved.

    The tiny community of Lockhart River saw a two-party-preferred vote to Labor of almost 90 per cent, with a swing against the Coalition of 40 per cent. Kowanyama saw 87 per cent of the vote directed to Labor. Bamaga and Napranum both delivered 72 per cent to Labor.

    The only Aboriginal community which actually voted in favour of the Coalition was Pearson’s home town of Hope Vale, and even then, it was only by a margin of 4 per cent while still delivering a 7 per cent swing against the Coalition.

    The booth at Aurukun – a large community where Abbott visited last year to help build a school library – also saw a swing to the Coalition (10 per cent). It sounds encouraging for Abbott … until you understand that 76 per cent of the two-party-preferred vote went to Labor.

    In communities outside Queensland, the result was the same, and sometimes worse.

    In Toomelah on the NSW border, 82 per cent of the vote went to Labor, despite the fac…………………….

    http://theconversation.com/will-tony-abbott-be-a-prime-minister-for-aboriginal-affairs-17985?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+12+September+2013&utm_content=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+12+September+2013+CID_97d4f1b00ac1eb22985abc05838bf6be&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=Will%20Tony%20Abbott%20be%20a%20prime%20minister%20for%20Aboriginal%20affairs

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-12/graham-prime-minister-for-indigenous-affairs/4951900

  240. I believe that scaper might be having trouble adjusting to the new political reality. Yest Deprivation Syndrome, no longer having a Labor government to kick.

    Maybe also confused that none here fell into a screaming heap because Rudd did not win.

    Sad for him, we have moved on, dealing with the cards, the voters delivered. Yes, Abbott’s government is legitimate, and will be given due respect.

    Abbott himself, will get the respect, he gives others;

    Abbott, since the election, is still in slogan and stunt mode. Will have to move on soon. Will have to begin making some decisions.

  241. DD

    …….Double dissolutions are relatively rare. They have taken place in 1914, 1951, 1974, 1975, 1983 and 1987. There is a special constitutional procedure that must be met before a double dissolution can be held. A Bill (or Bills) must be initiated in the House of Representatives and then blocked in the Senate (either by being rejected, failing to pass or passing with amendments that the House will not accept). A period of three months must then pass. Then the House must pass it again and the Senate block it. Only once the Government has such a trigger can a Prime Minister advise the Governor-General to grant a double dissolution. Double dissolution triggers may be ‘stock-piled’, but a double dissolution cannot be held in the six months before the House of Representatives expires.

    There is also an issue about the extent to which the Governor-General has a discretion in granting a double dissolution. On previous occasions, such as 1914 and 1951, the view was taken by the Governor-General that he did have a discretion. In 1914 the Governor-General sought advice from the Chief Justice of the High Court on the extent of his powers to help him decide. In 1951, Labor Members of Parliament argued that the Governor-General should take advice from the Chief Justice, Sir John Latham, although it appears that he made his decision without such advice. Certainly in 1983, the Governor-General, Sir Ninian Stephen did not regard the Prime Minister’s advice as sufficient and sent him back to provide further advice about the importance of the blocked bills and the workability of Parliament. He stated in his letter to Prime Minister Fraser on 8 February 1983:…”

    http://blogs.usyd.edu.au/cru/2013/09/from_simple_disillusion_to_dou_1.html

  242. There is also an issue about the extent to which the Governor-General has a discretion in granting a double dissolution. On previous occasions, such as 1914 and 1951, the view was taken by the Governor-General that he did have a discretion. In 1914 the Governor-General sought advice from the Chief Justice of the High Court on the extent of his powers to help him decide. In 1951, Labor Members of Parliament argued that the Governor-General should take advice from the Chief Justice, Sir John Latham, although it appears that he made his decision without such advice. Certainly in 1983, the Governor-General, Sir Ninian Stephen did not regard the Prime Minister’s advice as sufficient and sent him back to provide further advice about the importance of the blocked bills and the workability of Parliament. He stated in his letter to Prime Minister Fraser on 8 February 1983:

    Such precedents as exist, together with the writings on section 57 of the Constitution, suggest that in circumstances such as the present, I should, in considering your advice, pay regard to the importance of the measures in question and to the workability of Parliament.
    It might prove difficult to characterise the Parliament as unworkable if there had only been one rejection of a Bill and the Parliament had only been in operation a short time. It could prove even more difficult if the composition of the Senate was about to change………….

    http://blogs.usyd.edu.au/cru/2013/09/from_simple_disillusion_to_dou_1.html

  243. And Abbott begins to show his hand, and his right winger zombie trolls here will most likely cheer this on.

    Abbott is cancelling the 1.5% pay rise child care, aged care and other carers fought for six months to get, showing the mean arsehole he really is, hitting the lowest paid and most vulnerable as Liberal governments always do, whilst shifting money to the better off.

    350,000 workers are now going to struggle, you know those Abbott said were in doing it badly under the previous Labor government to their shame.

    This is just the tip of the iceberg from Abbott and I have little doubt he will go down as the worst and nastiest PM this country has ever had.

  244. I love it how people say Howard did a fantastic job at getting the country back to surplus. But if you remember when her got in power he was handed a 56.2 billion dollar debt. He didn’t get back to surplus by great policies. But by selling 72.4 billion of government owned infrastructure. Like Telstra, and rail. I mean come on. Tony Abbott is going to try the same thing but there is nothing left to sell. Abbott will put this country in recession with the cuts his government is making. And to cut 4.5 billion from foreign aid and the excuse is when our economy can afford it we will put it back in. Gezz we are not that bad off. We are one of the wealthiest country’s around. Abbott is a lier and wouldn’t know what year it was. Good job voters.

  245. Lets not forget why these cuts are required. They are needed because the former government wasted billions of dollars that in many cases simply had people buying 60″ TVs

    If you manage the money properly in the first place you have spare to do these things.

  246. Yes, I do recall why that money was spent. Stopped many from-being unemployed and stopped many businesses from going to the wall.

    Prevented a recession, or even a depression.

    Yes, not a bad effort, that led to one of the best economies in the western world and AAA ratings from all three agencies,

    Even now, out debt is low, on world standards, and historical basis.

    Yep, they did well.

    Let see what the new mob achieve.

    What is of concerned, is the growing difference between rich abd poor. Could explain why so many are finding it hard, while the economy is so strong.

    The second is, that structural imbalance within the budget, that needs to be addressed. It appears with the way unemployment is trending, maybe a fiscal stimulation is needed. Not a good time to worry about surpluses or cutting back spending.

    Also, the attack on high income welfare and rebates need to continue. Yes, Labor clawed back some, but there is still away to go.

    My concern, is the new mob are incapable of identifying the new problems, and of being able to change when the situation changes.

    I really do not want to see NBNCo handed back to Telstra.

  247. Greg can you detail this waste for us and the many cases you state? Billions of dollars spent on 150cm TV’s is an awful lot of TVs. The retailers and TV manufactures must be rolling in dough.

    Did you know that Hockey is planning to also bring in a stimulus by borrowing money, something he criticised the Labor government for the last five years.

    Let’s hope that no one buys a 150cm TV with Hockey’s stimulus, you will go apeshit in abusing him for it.

  248. Greg I too would like to hear some facts about the previous governments wasteful spending….nothing from the Telegraph please, immediately discarded

  249. How is one going to see more women around the Coalition cabinet room SOON.

    How can this be so, when in the next breath, say. the present front bench is expected top last three years.

    Yes, there is a chance that many of those., well past retiring age, might fall off the perch.

    How can one be proud, that 15 members of the cabinet were members of Howard’s failed government, that was thrown out in 2007. Three elections ago.

    Where are today’s men. I say men, let alone women.

  250. Some of you people need to get your head out of your asses, when something is un-sustainable would you let it continue? I didnt vote for the guy, or his party but someone has to pay for all those things mentioned above and it isnt coming out of the politicians pockets. i’m even receiving some of those incentives but it does not bother me that they may/will be changed..

  251. Everyone knows that the Australian economy is in a mess. Biggest debt ever! It’s crisis! Crisis! Crisis! Everywhere. Just ask the Ratings Agencies. Despite triple AAAs here there and everywhere. But what would they know? Austerity is the order of the day. But not for now. After all it’s not that bad. The sky hasn’t fallen. It can wait for a month or two. But make no mistake, it’s an enormous mess. Think of the children!

    It’s why Julie will not buy first class tickets as Foreign Minister for her travels. The fact that all Airlines will automatically upgrade her is beside the point. (Another stunt?) And why should she be confined to the First Class Lounge, when the Chairman’s Lounge is just a bloke short of a full complement. BTW, it was called a Chairman’s Lounge even when Margaret Jackson was the boss.

    And so it goes.

  252. …when something is un-sustainable would you let it continue?

    OK John you made the statement so demonstrate to us where it’s unsustainable?

    I gather you have seen the graphs and data on Australia’s debt and read up on what the economists and economic institutions have said on it.

  253. Oh and talk about unsustainable debt.

    Costello’s own words during Howard’s last term was to the effect that his government loading personal debt onto Australians and businesses was unsustainable, which most economists were warning Howard on.

    Howard ignored both Costello and the warnings.

    It will be interesting to see if Abbott does the same as Howard but with Hockey as Treasurer there will be no brake or person to steer clear of the danger.

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