It’s not just in Canberra that’ll see jobs go

Picking on public servants is good politics, apparently. I would speculate that Tony Abbott’s promise to get rid of 20,000 public service jobs is nothing more than another underhanded way to win a few redneck votes. But he does say the jobs will go through natural attrition. The fact is – the jobs will be gone. That’s 20,000 jobs that won’t be filled from the ranks of the unemployed.

When Howard won office in 1996 he murdered the Public Service in Canberra. The effects were devastating for our capital city which subsequently went into a mini recession.

People might think that the axe will be falling on Canberra again, and it will. But here’s the scary bit: it won’t be confined to Canberra. From the CPSU website we learn that Townsville and Newcastle face the same uncertainty. In Townsville:

One in five Commonwealth public sector jobs and $87 million in wages could disappear from Townsville under a Coalition government, an analysis by the Community and Public Sector Union shows.

The CPSU analysis found 406 of the 2,015 or 21% of Commonwealth public sector jobs were at risk in Centrelink, Defence and Tax.

The CPSU based its calculations on the following:
– Tony Abbott’s policy of cutting at least 12,000 public sector jobs nationally by imposing a hiring freeze which would equate to a loss of 185 jobs in Townsville.
– Broad cuts to public spending needed to fund the Coalition’s election commitments would take another 69 jobs out of the economy.
– And a Commission of Audit to enable the outsourcing/offshoring of public sector work such as payroll, administration and IT which would see a further 152 jobs go.
– By taking the estimated salary for an APS employee of $76,821, the CPSU projects Townsville stands to lose $87 million cumulatively over three years.

CPSU National Secretary Nadine Flood said: “We have already seen what a Liberal government is doing to public services and jobs in Queensland; the last thing that Townsville needs is more cuts under a Coalition government.”

“Remember Campbell Newman promised Queenslanders they had nothing to fear from him when it came to cuts in public sector jobs and services. And then he unleashed savage cuts. “Tony Abbott says he will cut at least 12,000 jobs but those are the ones that we know about. He doesn’t want to talk about the rest because he knows that a vote for the Coalition is a vote for job cuts.”

“The community is going to be hit hard on a number of levels. If one in five jobs go that means there will be hundreds of families living in Townsville with mortgages, kids and commitments who won’t be getting a regular pay cheque.”

“The drop in staffing levels is also going to hit services which will come under increasing pressure to meet the demands of the community,” Ms Flood said.

While in Newcastle:

Nearly one in four Commonwealth public sector jobs and $132 million in wages could disappear from Newcastle and the Hunter region under a Coalition government, an analysis by the Community and Public Sector Union shows.

The full scale of the cuts across the Hunter are laid bare in a report by the CPSU which based its calculations on Coalition policies such as the imposition of hiring freezes, and the launch of a wide-ranging review into the provision of public services.The CPSU analysis found 609 of the 2,551 or almost 24% of Commonwealth public sector jobs were at risk in Centrelink, Defence and Tax, spread across the city, the Hunter Valley and Lake Macquarie.

The CPSU based its calculations on the following:

  • Tony Abbott’s policy of cutting at least 12,000 public sector jobs nationally by imposing a hiring freeze which would equate to a loss of 217 jobs in the Hunter.
  • A Commission of Audit to enable the outsourcing/offshoring of public sector work such as payroll, administration and IT which would see a further 392 jobs go.
  • By taking the estimated salary for an APS employee of $76,821, the CPSU projects the Hunter stands to lose $132 million cumulatively over three years.

CPSU National Secretary Nadine Flood said: “The people of Newcastle and the Hunter need to know the facts before they go to the polls. A vote for the Coalition is a vote for job cuts.”

“The community is going to be hit on a number of levels. Over 600 jobs are to go, almost one in four Commonwealth public servants could be out of a job; that’s hundreds of families living in the Hunter with mortgages, kids and commitments who won’t be getting a regular pay cheque. By our calculations the region stands to lose $132 million in wages over three years.”

“The drop in staffing levels is also going to hit services which will come under increasing pressure to meet the demands of the community.”

The CPSU’s report follows a similar one launched in June by the Public Service Association of NSW which estimated that under NSW Premier Barry O’Farrell 1600 state public sector jobs will be lost.

Ms Flood said: “Given the depth of cuts under the O’Farrell government the last thing Newcastle needs is more cuts under Abbott.”

Nice, isn’t it? I’m sure those two regions would welcome massive job cuts. And what might Tony Abbott have in store for your back yard?

Public service cuts

175 comments on “It’s not just in Canberra that’ll see jobs go

  1. When Howard won office in 1996 he murdered the Public Service in Canberra. The effects were devastating for our capital city which subsequently went into a mini recession

    But overall the results were good. From 1983-1996 unemployment averaged 8%. And who could forget the 30 months of double digit unemployment under Keating. A trip to the CES was a common occurrence for a lot of people.

    But Mr Howard took unemployment to 4%. A number not seen since the 1970’s. Anyone who wanted a job could get one.

    The Public Service should be kept as small as possible.

  2. I think this time, there might not be the fat to cut from the PS. Michael, I heard someone say, that did not matter, as Canberra returned to health, two years later,

  3. Money to pay Public Servants comes from taxing private sector business. If private business has less money they will employ fewer people.

    It take an ALP voter to only think of himself, not the country. ALP supporters first instinct is all about ME.

    Since most Public Servants are ALP voters, they will always vote for their own interests, not what is best for Australia.

  4. Fed up, I can only assume that all businesses will suffer. They may have to lay off staff.

    Neil and Voyager will be so pleased to hear that. They like people losing their jobs.

  5. Michael, what gets me, it is the likes of them, that are the first to squeal,, when the services disappear.

    The want the roads. Trains to run on time. Want a hospital bed at a moments notice. Want their tax returns yesterday.. Do not mind the army to defend the country.

    They want drones to push off those boats,.

    Wonder how they would squeal, if the pension was not paid on time.

    Wonder what Neil does for a living.

  6. Thanks, Michael.

    If Abbott does get up, it will be as in Queensland where people voted for Newman in droves through short-sightedness. I joined a protest against health cuts outside Parliament House in Brisbane, but was rather p…. off knowing that the majority of those there had voted for the LNP! They deserved him, but I and patients in Qld certainly do not.

    Patricia

  7. I see our old mates are straight onto this Michael… Claiming Howards glorious reign… Funny how Abbott spouts Jobs Jobs Jobs but apparently public servants. are waist waist waist.. NOS is a broken meditation record of liberal lies and hate. Obviously these stereo pricks have never been public servants. Its Howards way that changed Australia into the negative, racist, mean, self serving place that fields Abbott.. Very sad that morons like these brain dead populous parrots believe these lies as how social fabric should be. 😉

  8. Such is the hypocrisy from the right – if people lose their jobs and they work for the public sector, it’s high 5s all round but if people lose jobs in other sectors then it is somehow twisted around as *proof* of mismanagement.

    But let’s look at the reality of the situation..this article was written in January this year.

    The most dramatic slide has been in public sector vacancies. There were just 12,300 government or semi-government jobs on offer during November, down from 17,500 a year earlier. In the public service capital of Canberra, the Bureau of Statistics found just 800 vacant jobs, the least since the early years of the Howard government in 1998.

    http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/01/public-service-job-cuts-continue-to-bite/

  9. I recall when Newman promised to sack public servants..what shock to the public when it was nurses, paramedics and fire fighters who he sacked, the 45 nurses from Townsville Public Hospital by way of an example.

    Let’s see the sort of people who Tony Abbott might sack and these jobs come from the APS website.

    Customs and Border Protection Marine Unit Deputy Commanding Officer (Cape Class Vessel) – $72,028.00 to $85,219.00
    Australian Customs and Border Protection Service

    Biomedical/Software Engineer – $94,705.00 to $108,013.00
    Therapeutic Goods Administration

    Senior HR Advisor – $76,536.00 to $86,947.00
    Department of Veterans’ Affairs

    ACCC 2014 Economics and Finance Internship Program – $44,830.00 to $49,550.00
    Australian Competition and Consumer Commission

    Temporary Employment Register – $36,725.00 to $128,908.00
    Australian Fisheries Management Authority
    Canberra, Darwin, Thursday Island | ACT, NT, QLD

  10. “So, Voyager an Neil, you like to see people lose their jobs. What a pair of pricks you are.

    Perhaps some of these people should not have been employed in the first place. It was Rudd in 2007 who proclaimed the PS had become bloated under Howard.

    PS salaries are paid using “other peoples money”. To pay a Public Servant a private company has to be taxed. The PS should be as small and efficient as possible.

    It should be the case that when someone is paid a salary using “other peoples money” that people should be more careful with tax dollars. Often they are not but spend it more wastefully.

    Anyway he says the cuts will be through natural attrition.

  11. Tom, if it’s natural attrition then you run the risk of the entire organisation becoming unbalanced. If there are to be reductions then these must be thoughtfully planned and not just at the whim of who might decide to leave. I worked for a company once where the boss decided to downsize staff numbers (so as to maximise his profits of course). It ended up that there were 7 bosses on one floor and only 3 staff..the company for some strange reason ended up in a bit of bother. 😉

  12. Speaking of assholes, Fairfax, who at least are prepared to report on GetUp!’s(?) add not being played by the television stations subservient to murdoch, still exhibit their gross hypocrisy nevertheless

    “I think we are better off promoting our own values during this election campaign: that Fairfax is the home for independent and balanced political journalism.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/antimurdoch-ad-banned-from-television-20130903-2t37c.html#ixzz2dpbxWWhK

    I wonder how they will ‘balance’ this then?

    Fairfax chairman Roger Corbett accuses Prime Minister Kevin Rudd of destabilising Labor

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-04/fairfax-chairman-roger-corbett-attacks-kevin-rudd/4933128

  13. I was overseas when the Qld election saw the LNP romp in on, from what I’ve read, a similar fog of deceit and omissions of intent, as that being employed by wingnut Abbott. Soon after the rise of Stunt Runt (old money’s new man, and let’s not forget his henchmen such as see’n-eye-dog Seeney), my daughter lost her job with Qld Health. This was after more than 10 years of stressful, gut-busting dedication (countless 12 hour days, often finishing work at 10:30pm on Friday nights after an 8:30am start, working week-ends etc, with no overtime, and never the opportunity to use in excess of 100 ADO’s because it was always too busy and never allowed by Admin- she lost all these when sacked). Her husband also lost his job at TAFE as a result of LNP cuts. Suddenly being in an employment market with no prospects, with three kids and paying $500 a week rent, life has been a challenge.
    This will be reality for lots more people if Abbott gets in. With all these people no longer having any discretionary spending, it is little wonder that business, particularly retail, is feeling the pinch. Most of the latter seem to be blindly rusted on to the LNP and oblivious to all they stand for, because of their belief that with Abbott, there’ll be fairy dust falling from the skies. I will have no sympathy for any of them when their business gets worse.
    As for Abbott’s spruiking of “natural attrition”, it’ll be just like Stunt Runt’s promise; like army volunteers: “you, you and you: your’e gone!”
    With India and China combined, having 800 million people who earn less than $3 per day making all manner of goods that the world wants, and Australia propping up sunset industries (digging coal out of the ground) for earnings of $600 per day, this country needs more than slogans to secure our future.
    With our ageing population, in the future we’ll be competing with other countries with similar ageing populations to woo these “nasty, illegal” boat people to come to Australia to work here.

  14. Looks like Abbott is popular in some places

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/09/04/abbott-mobbed-during-sydney-market-visit

    Nino Barbaro dropped to one knee, almost in worship of Tony Abbott.

    “Are you the man? We need you to fix this country up. Are you the man?” the Sydney Markets egg seller asked.

    “Yes mate,” came the reply, and reassured, Nino planted a big kiss on a surprised Mr Abbott’s forehead.

    “I wish he fix this country up … he’s the man to fix,” Mr Barbaro told reporters afterwards.

    And his message for the current PM?

    “Kevin Rudd, piss off!” he said.”

    These are the people you want to tax more so your precious Public Servants can have safe and secure jobs. I have relatives who build and modify houses. They need a house to renovate or build to earn their salary so they can feed their families. No job means no salary.

    Public Servants don’t understand such stress.

  15. Where do you think the money comes from to pay the wages of Public Servants?? It comes from business and small business is doing it tough right now.

    No job security for most of them.

  16. “It should be the case that when someone is paid a salary using “other peoples money” that people should be more careful with tax dollars. Often they are not but spend it more wastefully.”

    Agree totally Neil.

    I have some bank shares and the CEO of my company takes home $200K. A fucking week. This really pisses me off but there’s stuff all I can do about it.

    On the subject of public sector remuneration, it helps to understand that PS wages aren’t really paid out of taxation. It just looks that way.

    The reality is that the purpose of taxation is to manage aggregate demand, to keep it within the capacity constraints of the economy (and avoid inflation)

    The actual capacity of the economy is a tricky thing to measure but the level of unemployment is a pretty good proxy.

    Right now, with 15% total labour under-utilisation, putting more people out of work would be crazy. And to be justifying it on the grounds that the deficit is some kind of a problem is beyond stupid.

    “Voting on a lie”

    http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=25238#more-25238

  17. Public servants are people, not statistics. My hubby works for the public service and I’m very worried. We are on one wage which is sufficient to meet our needs and some of our wants, but we care for my intellectually disabled son and we rely on Mark’s wage.

  18. Gee, Abbott’s election promise to cut 12,000 public service jobs has now blown out to 20,000? Amazing! The first one to go will be Tim Flannery and after him will be the other global warming departments. The rest of the 12,000 will be by natural attrition, which is resignation and retirement.

    The global warming mob will survive by the dole and basket weaving on the side.

  19. ” I have relatives who build and modify houses. They need a house to renovate or build to earn their salary so they can feed their families. No job means no salary.”

    The financial rewards of going self-employed have to balanced against the risks Neil.

    I presume your rellies went into that business with their eyes open.

    Most PS employees aren’t on flash money, and those like teachers, nurses, etc chose their careers for the love of it (thank christ).

    But the predator class with its ruthless pursuit of money and assets (like my bank CEO) just don’t understand that we’re not all wired up like them.

    Ironically, the stated goal of Abbott/Hockey/Robb etc to get the budget into surplus and get rid of this terrible deficit is going to screw your rellies as sure as the Sun rises in the East.

    “One person’s spending is another person’s income”

  20. “My hubby works for the public service and I’m very worried.

    Most people worry about their jobs. Why should Public Servants be guaranteed permanent jobs unlike everybody else??

    Ironically, the stated goal of Abbott/Hockey/Robb etc to get the budget into surplus and get rid of this terrible deficit is going to screw your rellies as sure as the Sun rises in the East”

    Didn’t seem to harm people from 1996-2007.

    We are going to have to agree to disagree with your debt beliefs. It is why we always lose our AAA credit rating under Labor. Most Labor people do not believe govt debt is a problem. Hence Labor does nothing about it.

  21. It is why we always lose our AAA credit rating under Labor

    Psst, nil, don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet (rolls eyes) but we actually GAINED a AAA credit rating under Labor 😉

  22. The rest of the 12,000 will be by natural attrition, which is resignation and retirement.

    I seem to recall one Campbell Newman making very similar promises before the 2012 election, before sacking 14,000, including front-line nurses. They lie to get elected – they’re liberals – it’s in their DNA 🙄

    This is how liberals handle ‘voluntary redundancy’
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-17/queenslanders-speak-out-about-lnp-job-cuts/4264540

    We were also told that while HR would make an effort to redeploy anyone who wanted to go down that path, that finding them a redeployment position was highly unlikely. Under the government public service directives if you didn’t accept two redeployment offers that you would be retrenched with no money. It’s possible that these two offers could be for positions nowhere near where you live, and/or for lower paid positions. The overwhelming message was you’d be a complete idiot not to take the redundancy payment, because if you didn’t you could be out on the street in a matter of a couple of days with zero money.

    No cuts to front-line services? How do you classify nurses and midwives as not front-line?

  23. “On the subject of public sector remuneration, it helps to understand that PS wages aren’t really paid out of taxation. It just looks that way.

    Then why do i pay tax?? I think Labor supporters think money grows on trees. The Public Service is needed but it should be as small as possible.

  24. It’s the SOP of the party concerned – liberals will say anything to get elected, then ALWAYS renege on their promises when they get in. It’s like a mathematical identity – it’s always true no matter the level of government involved…

  25. Migs, I know for fact there will be no mass sackings apart from who’ve I’ve stated. The 12,000 is coalition policy.

    I’m quite amicable in person…unless someone strikes me first. Then it’s on!

  26. “It is why we always lose our AAA credit rating under Labor”

    As Tom said…

    Neil, didn’t anyone ever tell you to pull the pin out a hand grenade before you throw it ?

  27. And another…

    “Didn’t seem to harm people from 1996-2007.”

    The Costello surpluses were paid for by households going into debt. Private sector debt hit 150% of GDP.

    Now households are desperately trying to pay it off. Savings are now running at record levels. When everybody saves, the economy nose-dives… unless the government fills in the spending gap by running a deficit.

    I’m sure this could be taught in primary school.

  28. Psst, nil, don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet (rolls eyes) but we actually GAINED a AAA credit rating under Labor

    I wish i did not bring up the topic since I am sick of talking about it. But i do not think your comment is quite correct.

    You get a AAA rating when the two major credit rating agencies (S@P’s, Moodies) give you a AAA. And that happened in 2003 after we lost it under Hawke. From that date Australian govt and business were able to borrow at the lowest interest rate.

    The only advantage of getting a AAA from Fitch in 2010 is for propaganda purposes by WAyne SWan.

    And i do not have too much sympathy for Public Servants who lose their jobs. Nobody in private industry has a permanent job. In private industry the only certainty is death and taxes. You can lose your job at any time. I don’t see why PS’s should have guaranteed permanent jobs.

  29. Hockey was contacted the other day, by someone from in the treasury or RBA, telling them to watch the news. This was before the so called denial came out rejecting that the policies were those of the Opposition. By the way, that notice started off , identifying the media, not the government.

    He was an Howard appointee. Wonder how much white anting has been going on of Labor from within these departments.

  30. And there will be a lot of politicians who will be losing their jobs on Saturday. There is no job security for a politician unless you are in a safe seat.

    I don’t know when a politicians stops getting paid if he loses his seat.

    People who keep saying they want a safe and secure job annoy me. Most people, unless you are a Public Servant, have no job security.

  31. I worked both in private industry and public services Was reared on a dairy farm. I know where I damn well worked the hardest.

    I worked from being a factory hand, cleaner, to reaching the level on Team leader, or manager. Yes, also worked i a professional capacity, in child protection.

    The last was hard, but also very satisfactory, as lone ads one ignored the system.

    It is myth that one gets it easy in the public service.

  32. Neil, I suspect, you would not have survived in some of the work I did. Not sure you would have been capable of holding many of the jobs, Michael and others here have, also.

    What have you done. What are you doing.

  33. FU

    What is your point?? Public Service jobs could be very difficult. That is not the point.

    What Public Servants appear to be demanding is job security. Nobody in the private sector has job security.

  34. ” In private industry the only certainty is death and taxes.”
    Probably more of the former coming with Abbott’s Sensible Slide Show Centre IR initiatives. Taxes, depends who you are.

  35. “From that date Australian govt and business were able to borrow at the lowest interest rate.”

    That only applies to state governments Neil. The Fed Government is the monopoly issuer of the currency which means the solvency risk is zero. The bond market knows this. The market also understands that the government can by-pass the auction system and just state a coupon rate.

    There’s no shortage of takers for Aussie bonds. The Howard government even issued them when there was no debt. How weird is that !

  36. Neil, you’ve gone from saying Public Servants “want” secure jobs to “demanding” secure jobs.

    Your straw man is getting bigger and bigger. Your irrational hatred of public servants is also starting to show.

    What is actually being said is that there will be severe economic consequences of not replacing those who leave the PS voluntarily (so-called “natural attrition”…retirements etc).

    There is also a reasonable fear, given the deficit hysteria coming out of the Coalition (and which seems to give you a frisson of excitement) that some retirements may not be voluntary.

    I just can’t understand why this prospect so titillates the champions of the private sector because it’s the private sector that’s going to get the bloody nose.

  37. “Neil, you’ve gone from saying Public Servants “want” secure jobs to “demanding” secure jobs.”

    O.K. they demand secure jobs.

    What is actually being said is that there will be severe economic consequences of not replacing those who leave the PS voluntarily

    Didn’t happen in 1996. Mr Howard took unemployment to 4%. A number not seen since the 1970’s.

    Labor was in power from 1983-1996. Unemployment averaged 8% and we had THIRTY MONTHS of double digit unemployment. I remember this since i had to make a visit to the CES during Keatings reign.

  38. Neil, you have not answered my question. I think it is fair that you do so, because of your attack on public servants, who you seem to believe should have lesser rights than other workers. Should not be valued as much.

    What do you do? What have you done int the past?

    Fair question, I believe.

    Neil, do you have any idea, or ever think about what work these people do.

    If they go, it means that you have less services at your finger tips.

    Who will we start with. Federal Police. Judges. Those who serve the armed forces. Maybe the security staff at the airports. Maybe customs, or even the secret services.

    Neil, who should be on the list first to go.

    Not those in the CSIRO are not needed.

    Yes, Neil, please, who do you think should go first.

    Prove to me, your job is more worthwhile.

  39. “I think it is fair that you do so, because of your attack on public servants, who you seem to believe should have lesser rights than other workers

    You obviously have trouble with English.

    I am saying they should have the same rights as other workers. That is they should have the same job security as people in private industry.

    Man you people really know how to lie. it just comes natural.

  40. Neil, forget the English. Answer the questions for once. You have much to say, time to let us know what you do.

    Your habit of nit picking what you reply to, is annoying. Also that of a coward.

    Put up, or shut up.

  41. The point is, you make many attacks on others on this site. You have attacked public servants. I would like you to tell me what you do, and why your job is real, and those of public servants are not. Why public servants are of lesser value.

    If that is not what you are saying, you need to look at your English skills.

    You have much to say. It is time we knew a little about you.

  42. What is your question?? What i do is none of your business.

    And my point is that Public Servants should have the same job security as people in private industry. That is none.

  43. What we are saying, these jobs will go, not because they are not needed, or what they do is not necessary. They will go, because of one man and his parties ideology.

    Mr. Abbott is attempting to save money, to pay for his grandiose and unnecessary PPL.

    Mr. Abbott is going to cause much unnecessary waste, demolishing all that the Labor government has built. You know what Neil, at the end of the day, most will be bought back. As where the achievements of the Whitlam years.

    They will be bought back, as they are necessary for this country to go forward.

    Direct Action, even according to Abbott’s party, a stop gap scheme, that will be replaced by what we have now. Much of the CEF and what it entails, can easily be adapted to his Direct Action,.

    Same go for they NB lite/fraud, within the decade, will go to fibre to the home, while all those cabinets have no further use.

    It all about Abbott’s no no no

    Why do we need a special court back for builders laborers. It convicted none while in operation. Why do we need more courts, to sue union officials, They already face serious court and penalty now.

    Yes, what Abbott promises is waste.

    .

  44. Neil, it is not our business. That is OK. But if you want us to have some understanding of you background and experience. Most here share.

  45. Will not be imploding. Will be looking forward to the next round. In fact, it could be exciting.

    As Abbott said today, being badly defeated is not nice, but it is not the end of the world. Ones victory only lasts a short time, one then has to face elections once again.

    If Abbot keeps his promises, it will be in less than a year. So why would one be that upset.

    If Abbott wins, I hope the trolls enjoy the victory while it lasts. Which I suspect, will not be long.

  46. We might have trouble with sore sides from laughing. The only trouble, it will not really be funny.

    Wonder what the trolls are going to do. Expect then to disappear very quickly. Their gloating will be over before it has hardly began.

    First disaster will be on Syria.

    Second with Indonesia.

    Third with PNG.

    This all before he gets to parliament, ans is told, he has to stick to the rules.

    I am really going to upset the likes of Tweed, that seem to get the Constitution wrong.

    As for Labor, it always comes back, comes back better and stronger.

    Abbott for all his ability to con the community, has a weaker team behind him, than he is himself. The only one with any ability, and I suspect some decency, looks like he will be shoved aside by Pauline Hanson.

    One consolation, might be, that Mirabella might disappear, and even Pyne

    To be only thing I demand, is Abbott be treated with the same respect he treated Ms, Gillard and Labor. No more, no less.

    If Rudd, even thinks of backing down on CEF and all it entails, I believe we should all be out on the street, to let both know, it is not on.

    Climate change is not going away. Still needs to be addressed.

    Climate change is not in the same ball park, as Keating was with the GST. At the end of the day, the GST was just another tax, not something that will destroy the environment. Carbon emissions is.

    We cannot ignore it for long, even if that is our desire.,

    Yes, there is no way I will be falling in a crying heap. Suspect no one else here will be either.

    We all seem to like a good fight.

  47. FU, Mark Dreyfus, from your link, says

    But that has not stopped the Coalition from peddling, on at least 18 occasions, fictitious figures about the public service.

    That is not the worst of it. I expect pollies to make up shit to attack their opponents with, it is what they do. This is the worst bit.

    It disappoints me that discredited claims of public service “growth” under the Federal Labor Government continue to be published, the latest example being in the Australian Financial Review today.

    Yes, our valiant media, who simply regurgitate, unchallenged, any crap spouted by the opposition. By doing this, it allows these lies to permeate through our debate, and cloud issues that otherwise would be straight forward. Labor are pulled up on it continually ( as they should be) yet the coalition are allowed to lie, repeatedly, unchallenged.

    Which is why we find ourselves with the unsavoury possibility of having a moronic misogynist threatening to become our next PM.

    I see that their abc is pimpimg up the oppositions campaign, while calling Labors ‘chaotic’. Perhaps the journos with Labor aren’t getting free doughnuts?

    Time for social media to take over the journos abandoned job

    http://dontbeafuckingidiot.herokuapp.com/

  48. And my point is that Public Servants should have the same job security as people in private industry. That is none

    Which, as FU pointed out, is less rights (in some cases). You see, I have job security, and I am in private industry. This is not to say that I cannot lose my job, I can, under circumstances. But, my job is far more secure than it would be under, say, a workchoices type arrangement, where I could lose it should the work dry up for a short period, or I suffered a medical condition that impacted my performance. Luckily, we have protections for that now, it offers me security in my job. Similarly, Public Servants, as they found out under Howard, and the newman, are not guaranteed a job for life. So, all workers have ‘job security’, to varying extent. And, there will be some in private industry who are even more secure than Public Servants

  49. This is priceless Tom…from your link.

    “Even the motherfucking right wing Economist reckon’s Labor’s economic policy is a much better idea than slashing, cutting, and burning our economy. Keynesian stimulus bitches, it works. Despite your entitled moaning about cost of living pressures (while you sip imported beers looking at wall-sized plasmas in your McMansions) shit is pretty good. You vote for Abbott and you’ll find out pretty fucking quickly what austerity results in and feels like. Macro-economics is not a household budget and our debt levels are fucking negligible. Seriously, wake the fuck up and stop being a credulous cock.”

    If Abbott wins (the polls becoming self-reinforcing prophesies these days) it will be a triumph of tribalism over common sense. Not unlike the state of origin I guess in its superficiality but with consequences that could be distinctly quite unpleasant.

    Self-interest might understandably guide the voting intentions of the elites, but for the rest of the herd, a vote for the Coalition (given all they’ve got to lose) will be an exercise in masochism.

    I will watch with morbid curiosity as Hockey starts jerking away at the levers and wonders why the economy starts shuddering backwards, quite unlike what it says in the Treasury Manual.

    And Labor has to wear a fair bit of blame for tomorrow’s outcome for going along with the “gotta get back to surplus” nonsense. I still can’t figure if this has its roots in ignorance or in fear, not having the guts to rebut the neo-liberal line and try a bit of leadership. Either way, it’s piss weak.

  50. Jack, your inferiority complex is showing. The swinging voters decide who governs and they are far from tribal, unlike you! The rest of your obtuse post is not worthy of comment as you are obviously unhinging.

  51. Jack, your inferiority complex is showing

    Which came just after

    You actually have a job?

    Who’s got the complex? 😆

    I wonder how ‘swinging’ voters feel about a guy pimping his daughters for a shot at the title?

  52. Nope.

    I see you are back down to your petty and narky worst, baiting with nasty little jibes and unintelligent immature dribble. Pity. I always think scaper can engage in some lucidity and informed conversations, yet time and again proves me wrong.

    But doing your own back at you, none show more hypocrisy here than you.

  53. Not that it matters, but the reason I’m not voting for Joanna Gash (Liberal) in Gilmore as I always have since moving to the South Coast NSW is that she is no longer a member, quitting after Abbott got power. Gash’s replacement is aping the same words and slogans as Abbott, even repeating the same lies, something Gash would never have done.

    So as I’ve always voted for who I believe is the best local candidate, no matter what party, and the current Liberal is nowhere near the best local candidate, just an Abbott toady, then I won’t be voting Liberal this time.

    No hypocrisy here.

    But plenty on constant show from the projectionist calling others hypocrites.

  54. You see no hypocrisy in saying you are balanced but exclusively and savagely attack Labor, whilst forming mutual admiration jerk circles with right wingers?

    Really bizarre.

    You don’t read well either do you?

    Have you ever read why I voted for Joanna Gash, and I’ve told you before that never voted for my local Liberal member in Victoria who was Reith. I voted for Howard in 1997 and it was he more than anyone who turned me against the Liberals, because the current Liberal party he formed and Abbott has further eroded would make Menzies squirm.

    No inconsistency here at all but there is from you.

  55. I’m voting this afternoon because I won’t be here on Saturday. Then off to an IPA event, Bob’s Brisbane book launch. He might have to change the title next year…’Axed Taxing Air’.

  56. @ 9:04 am

    You think people here care about your hypocritical arselicking to the extreme right wingers, but nobody really gives a fuck.

    I suppose it gives your petty small mind an ego boost. In the Navy we had a name for hypocrite braggarts that would suit you well.

  57. Actually, scapes, it’s not just us two, many economic (and right wing) commentators have advised against what tabot is (maybe) promising.

    Of course, they assume he is lying, which seems to be ok for some

    Also, I think you are confusing projection with premonition.

  58. Ya gotta laugh, and at those that support this mob.

    Hockey in releasing some costings has come up with a reduction in the deficit by, wait for it, 0.07% of GDP.

    So after going on about waste for six years and the need to remove the government immediately to stop the waste, all the opposition has come up with is a finding of waste of less than 0.1% of GDP.

    And that’s if you take their word for it, given their history of lies and deceits on economic matters.

  59. Do you believe that the voters really care if the costings are not announced? How exact has Labor’s costings (budgets) been the last five years? This years budget blew out by $12B in less than twelve weeks. Hilarious!

  60. How exact has Labor’s costings (budgets) been the last five years?

    About as reliable s anything costello did

    However, they at least are there, telling people what they will be cutting, and getting the sledges for it. The libs have dodged all that, and will continue to. It is a matter of being truthful will the voters. The libs are not being truthful. They were exposed last election as having LIED to the voters over their costings (therefore, their plans) and they are going down the same path again.

    And the media is allowing them to get away with it.

  61. “It is a matter of being truthful will the voters.

    Yes and when in Opposition did Rudd/Swan hand in their costings?? Wasn’t it the day before the 2007 election??

    I think the main point of the Charter of Budget Honesty is to make sure the govt is not lying to the people. You know when Beazley said in 1996 that the budget was in surplus and actually was in $10B deficit.

  62. Costello’s budgets were underestimations where Swan’s were overestimations…bit of a difference there. How did the supposed surplus in the last income year go? It never happened but Labor took that to the 2010 election as policy. So they LIED.

    Still laughing over the Mining Tax, the predicted revenue spent but SFA was raised.

  63. and when in Opposition did Rudd/Swan hand in their costings?

    We did not have the PBO back then. Try and move with the times nil. That was introduced for the benefit of Oppositions. The libs have made a mockery of it

    the main point of the Charter of Budget Honesty is to make sure the govt is not lying to the people.

    You mean like when the libs took LIED to us last time and their numbers were proven to have an $11 BILLION BLACK HOLE

    We only have costello’s word to go on about the Labor’s alleged hole. Did any accountants get fined for Labor’s numbers?

    under or over scaper, they are all out, as they are all based on uncertainties. But, they are based on something, not platitudes like ‘trust us’ look what it got Queensland.

  64. Instead of being costed by the PBO, those three policies would be verified by the Coalition’s so-called ”eminent persons” panel comprising former top bureaucrat Peter Shergold, economist Geoff Carmody and former Queensland auditor-general Len Scanlan.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/key-coalition-policies-not-submitted-for-independent-costings-20130905-2t6dm.html#ixzz2dyqVQjjs

    Looks like libs can only trust their mates to fudge their numbers again. Worked out well last time didn’t it 😯

    That’s not a black hole that the Government has lied about scapes. That is figures that anyone can look at and see without just going on ‘faith’. And, it is easily explained. It was called the GFC 😉

  65. So, the GFC has lasted for five years you say, do you expect me to believe that? What business is experiencing is the LCC, Labor Confidence Crisis. Two more sleeps.

  66. It appears the undecided numbers are still high. Mostly women and young.

    It is also sasid they are leaning top Labor.

    Sounds like those who follow Labor, but have a wish to punish them, but cannot bring themselves to vote for Abbott.

    I think we have many likewise conflicted voters that visit these sites.

    If one wants carbon emissions addressed. you cannot afford Abbott, as he is trying to turn an election into a referendum, which is nonsense, but he will count your vote as NOT wanting CEF legislation and all its entails, which is of great value, along with the NBNCo.,.

    If these things are important to you, think carefully before you vote. Both are essential for the future good of the country. Both will will have to be addressed down the path. Both will be much more expensive then,.i

    all Abbott promises is waste, with his plan to demolish all that Labor has achieved.

    From last night’s Kitchen Cabinet, Abbott looked like he went after Turnbull, when Turnbull told him a few home truths.

    Vengeance seems to driver Abbott.

    All that is Labor, must be exorcised from the face of this planet. Nothing is to survive. Demolition for the sake of knocking down, not making the country strong for the future.

    No input can be tolerated from nowhere, even from experts and those in the know.

    They are the font, or is it suppositories of all knowledge. Only they know what is good for us.

    This vote could be the most important you make.

    One very young bloke has summed it up, it not about politics but knowledge. He is a hundred percent correct.

    Governing, sadly is not about image, but ability, judgment and policies.

    They are not talking about carbon tax and NBNCO.

    They are talking about who they like the least.

    Many just one to punish Labor, that is clear, the only thing clear in this election. Trouble is, Abbott scares the pants off them.

    Abbott will have great trouble, proving people voted for him, because of the carbon tax. I think one post election poll will put that furthy to rest.

    I suspect many, like Gittoes, expect Abbott to do little. This belief would fit in with his past history. Would not rely on that,.

    Would take more noticed, of what Abbott has said, he will be letting his ministers get on with their job, with o interference from him. One needs to listen to what the shadow back bench is saying, not Abbott.

    Just think, before casting that vote.

  67. So, the GFC has lasted for five years you say, do you expect me to believe that?

    You really think the effects of the GFC lasted only one year, do you expect me to believe that you are that stupid?

  68. You mean like when the libs took LIED to us last time and their numbers were proven to have an $11 BILLION BLACK HOLE”

    I think you will find that the Coalition still stands by their costings in 2010 and they disagree with Treasury. Anyway $11B out over a period of 4 years is not a big error when you consider the size of the Australian budget. The bottom line was that Treasury said the Coalitions costings improved the budget more than Labors policies and that got lost in all the smoke.

    ” Did any accountants get fined for Labor’s numbers?

    That accountancy firm was not fined for getting the numbers wrong. They were fined for misrepresenting what they presented. And all this is due to Swan releasing confidential information.

    All this costing fiasco is because Labor plays dirty with the Opposition. The main purpose of the Charter is to make sure the GOVT is not lying as Beazley did in 1996.

  69. “Labors real black hole- $190B in deficits”

    One day you might learn just how stupid that comment is.

    You obviously still think the national economy is just like a corner store.

  70. Do you expect me to believe that you are not unhinging?

    I think we have already answered that earlier. I think you just answered my question 😉

  71. MJ, the media has been outrageous with it’s treatment of Labor, but they have sure supplied them with many unnecessary darts, or is it torpedoes to toss.

    The awful truth, is that Abbott will be much worse. One redeeming feature, s he and that shadow backbench will be so bad, they will not survive long. This I truly believe.

    It is not just abut Labor at this time, but the state of politics in this country across the board. We no longer even have a strong minor party, or any Independents of value.

    No wonder so many are still confused. One gets the feeling it might be too hard for some, and we are looking at record informal votes, That would also be a disastrous outcome.

    Rudd now at NPC. I suspect, that Hockey is now releasing the costings, or his watered down version of them, not in full from BHO.

  72. The bottom line was that the libs claimed that there numbers were something other than what they were. The bottom line was, they LIED to electorate, and look prepared to do it all over again.

  73. Hey Jack, it would be pretty stupid to not differentiate between the economy and government revenue, unless you are a full blown socialist. Had a good laugh at you unreasoning why the last government issues Bonds and Notes when not in debt. Who took over 50% of the issues during the last government’s tenure?

    Here is an easy clue…if you are not as stupid as I think you are.

    http://www.aofm.gov.au/

  74. The bottom line was, they LIED to electorate, and look prepared to do it all over again”

    So if someone disagrees with Treasury that is a lie?? Mate $11B out over 4 years is not a big mistake when we have Treasury being out by $10B, $20B or whatever it has been in a SINGLE year. And the Coalition still stands by their costings in 2010 and disagrees with Treasury

    Need to be careful if you call someone a liar. People do make mistakes.

    Bottom line was that Treasury said the Coalitions policies in 2010 were better for the budget. This information was told to Tony Windsor. Why did he then side with Labor??

  75. But, but, but…I’m having a bit of fun.

    Can I interest you in a signed book by Bob Carter? Maybe a group hug photo of Julie, Gina and Tony from a few years ago? A thousand words comes to mind.

    Nah, just kidding.

  76. No it’s not just Canberra that will see the jobs go. I notice the right wingers don’t like to talk about the State Liberals too much as they are an insight into what their beloved Abbott will be like.

    For instance in the week leading up to the election O’Farrell on the back of being asked about the sacking of public servants said, “We will need more public servants, not less.” Since winning office he has sacked 15,000 and every indicator, including the abuse and deaths of children, have gone up under him. These were all things he promised to fix but instead is making them worse.

    O’Farrell has now racked up over 200 broken promises.

    We all know Newman’s broken promise on sacking public servants, he didn’t even wait until his first week was over before breaking his top election promise.

  77. A pretty low call to blame the increase of abuse and deaths of children on any government, but not unusual for you I suppose. It is well known now that Bligh was bloating the PC as a way on her promise to create 100,000 jobs. There was over a 1,000 people that were employed to do absolutely nothing.

    I see that unemployment is trending down in Qld and we are punching above our weight in contributing to the national GDP. Once Labor is gone, the hold up to many projects is reversed, we will kick arse again.

    I don’t have much time for the Qld LNP. I’m presently fighting their proposed legislation in the link below and it is my will that the IPA fight this. They will beat it as they beat Labor’s draconian media and workplace discrimination legislation.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/principals-given-outofschool-expulsion-powers-20130820-2s9ag.html

  78. I bought that one up scaper because first it was a constant attack point by O’Farrell in opposition on the previous Labor government’s woeful record on DOCS and the handling of domestic abuse.

    O’Farrell promised increased resources and priority to fix the problem, just as he has with so many other things and broken every single one.

    But in this case it’s worse because he put Prue Goward, who I thought was one of Howard’s better ministers, in charge of the portfolio, and all reports coming from her department were positive. Increased funding, increased staffing and better management of the situation, until it all began unravelling as a reporter found that the child deaths and abuse were still happening under O’Farrell the numbers had gotten considerably worse.

    Goward at first attempted to bluff her way through by saying the figures were wrong and stating her own figures on spending and staffing, but when the questions kept coming and the facts began being revealed the opposite was the case, resources had been significantly reduced.

    Goward’s response. She had been mislead by the department, it was all their fault.

    So why you are bragging about Queensland, that has in part to do with Federal government assistance, can you tell us (with sources) if domestic violence has gone up or down in Queensland? Has child abuse reduced? Has the crime rate gone down, especially violent crime? Is the health system better or worse? Is the barrier reef better or worse off? Is the environment better or worse off?

    The last one must peeve you no end considering you are all for land rehabilitation and actively take part in remediating it, yet Newman is repealing legislation that protects native bush and will again allow whole scale land clearing there. Bring in the bulldozers with massive balls and chains.

    Let’s not even get into WA, which is where Queensland will end up no doubt. Here we have the state that should be the wealthiest in the Commonwealth of Australia, that has jacked up mining royalties to rake in revenue yet is going backwards at a great rate of knots. WA also improved a bit in its early days, but look at it now.

    So the story is not as rosy as made out in the Liberal States and they have nowhere delivered what they promised they would, indeed they have done the opposite and broken hundreds of promises.

  79. “Here is an easy clue…if you are not as stupid as I think you are”

    If that was supposed to be your big gotcha play Scaper, I think you’ve missed my point (and confirmed my earlier comment about stupidity)

    I wasn’t referring to the last government. I had in mind Costello’s review of the CGS market back in 2002 when it looked like the market was going to dry up.

    The point was that debt isn’t necessarily debt. It just appears that way. Indeed before the RBA started paying interest on excess reserves the issuing of bonds was how the cash rate was kept in the target range, and maybe still is.

    There’s nothing about my understanding of our monetary system that’s “socialist”, or any other ideology for that matter. It’s an understanding based on the monetary system we’ve actually been living with since the 1970’s. Your “understanding” (the economy is like a household) comes from classical economics and gold standard thinking and is a bit out of date. But you’re not alone.

  80. We have the same stunt as 2010. Three years of thinking for what, this?

    “……4:04pm: Business writer Michael Pascoe doesn’t think much of the Coalition’s costings.
    “Even if you take year three and four budget projections seriously (and you really can’t, as everyone should now know) that works out to be an average improvement of $1.5 billion a year on a $400 billion budget – all of 0.375 per cent,” Michael writes.
    “It’s not even a rounding error. A half decent Queensland storm can blow that away in half in hour.”
    Michael’s full article can be found here………”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/federal-election-2013-live-september-5-2013-20130905-2t6ay.html#ixzz2dzt8a4Y2

    The experts are not impressed. Tells us nothing. Add on to what is announced today, is the reduction in refugee intake from 20,000 to 13.700.

    Does Hockey believe we are incapable of adding up or working out percentages,

    A good bushfire, would wipe even that number out.

    So all the pain, will indeed be for no gain. Is this what his increase in growth in growth, What about getting rid of that grandiose PPL.

  81. So nothing to offer to the debate then Golibs, just another right winger where winning is more important than the credibility of a party or their leader, and indeed the welfare of the country.

    I suppose you will be another making excuses and blame shifting for all of Abbott’s failures.

  82. After three years of wailing and moaning about waste and budget emergencies and crises and Armageddon, the Liberal party today released its “costings”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/sep/05/coalition-costings-political-fluff?CMP=twt_gu

    And yes, the biggest ‘waste’ they could find, was foreign aid. Foreign aid, to the libs, is just’ waste’. But, really, even their election slogan was in huge font ‘stop the waste’, yet they can find only ‘foreign aid’ as waste? Really, it is time our media called them out on three years of perpetual lying. Oh wait, I forgot, the media were doing it too. Guess they have both been caught out in the lie.

    ‘waste’ is also apparently intellectual freedom. But, they are not cutting funding to research, they just want academics to research what they want them to. Yes, the party of ‘free choice’

    The union representing university staff said the Coalition’s actions were an attack on academic freedom.

    ”Institutional autonomy and academic freedom are the essential characteristics that define what it means to be a university,” said Jeannie Rea, president of the National Tertiary Education Union.

    ”To suggest that any research projects which have been through a rigorous competitive peer-reviewed application process could in any way be described as ‘wasteful’ is an insult to the hundreds of senior researchers who give freely of their time to assess the thousands of research applications the ARC receives each year.” According to the ARC website, ”funding recommendations are made to the Minister responsible for research by the CEO following independent and extensive competitive peer review by Australian and international experts.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/academic-ridiculed-by-coalition-says-sydney-university-vicechancellor-20130905-2t86l.html

    So, the libs will decide what we should be thinking, and the circumstances under which that thinking will be done. This is just frightening. And the media (I don’t include the Guardian in that derogatory term) are out telling everyone that Labor are hopeless, so vote for slightly less hopeless abbott. The smh in it’s editorial even brings out the old ‘carbon tax’ lie. I guess they hadn’t seen this, with all the talk of ‘mandates’

    the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983

    It’s going to be a long day I think 😉

  83. And while we are on ‘free choice’, the libs expose themselves for the mean spirited little people they are

    My ISP contacted me on Wednesday afternoon to let me know that the federal opposition party’s lawyers were demanding my
    personal details. Despite this being a personal project not paid for or endorsed by anyone, I gave them permission to hand over
    my name, address, and phone number so that the site could stay up.
    Approximately one hour later I received several phone calls making implied threats about my professional career. Who exactly
    was responsible for these phone calls isn’t entirely clear, but I do have the phone number of one of them at least.

    http://dontbeafuckingidiot.com/MediaStatement.pdf

    Not just the liberal party themselves were into the bullying, their advertising firm were also

    Sweary: Reveal yourself J. Richardson, of Chapel Hill Road, Brisbane. “J” claims not to be a member of a political party, but seems to be leaning towards a vote for Labor.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/capital-circle/coalition-adds-6b-to-savings/story-fn59nqgy-1226711063215

    Expect a lot more of this kind of intimidation over the next three years should the lying media’s wet dream come true.

  84. btw, is anyone on the ‘not chaotic’ liberal ‘team’ able to clarify just what they are planning with an internet filter. I mean, really, you’ve only had three years of cycling around the country to try and get your stories straight.

  85. then it’s PARTY TIME!

    it’s the hangover I’m worried about. Will we be able to blog still under a lib internet filter?

  86. More like celebrating the thousands that will get off struggle seat.

    Tommy, you know that is was an error, opt in instead of opt out but maintain the error for my entertainment.

  87. an error ROFL

  88. “Expect a lot more of this kind of intimidation over the next three years should the lying media’s wet dream come true.”

    Yes Tom, you see it in spades with the State Liberal governments who all had campaigns in opposition of being more open and transparent if they win and then immediately proceeded to shut down openness and transparency the moment they got in, sometimes on the back of draconian legislation.

    Howard was the first to institutionalise the closing down of government openness and spent large amounts of tax payers money keeping the lid on his nefarious goings on. Abbott will be far worse and we already have plenty of examples of his deceits and cover ups to know this will be true.

    Yet the right wingers rejoice in this because as studies have shown they actually prefer to be led by the nose and kept in the dark by their party. It doesn’t require them to think too deeply or have them attempting to explain why the party and leader they support are crook.

  89. That isn’t surprising. Hypocrisy is a standard personality trait of politicians and their rusted on supporters.
    ………..
    You can find a valid line of reasoning behind virtually every Coalition policy if you care to look. The same can be said of Labor’s policies.

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/why-i8217m-not-an-idiot-for-having-a-different-political-opinion/story-e6frfku0-1226711677673

    Except, for three years, every Labor policy described by ltd news has been either a betrayal, a thought bubble or a conniving plot with which to hold Government with. They haven’t ever delved into the ‘reasoning’ behind it. Hypocrisy, thy name is murdoch.

    After ‘Shit happens, Bob Browns Bitch, That’s bullshit. ‘ etc etc from the opposition leader, they are getting all uptight about a private citizen swearing ROFL

    I think that deserves another fucking link to the fucking site ROFL

    http://dontbeafuckingidiot.herokuapp.com/

  90. Yet the right wingers rejoice in this because as studies have shown they actually prefer to be led by the nose and kept in the dark by their party.

    so, Left = watermelon and Right = mushroom ❓ 😯

  91. Sorry scaper i made an error, obviously thousands on middle and high income earners will be better off. Thats how the libs operate. I should have said the millions taken off struggle street and put on to shit street. To help those more fortunate.

  92. To help those more fortunate.

    Isn’t that what Governments are for, to redistribute money to those more accustomed to spending it?

  93. I see the NBN is going the way of the pink batts. Apparently, tens of thousands of faulty connections but the truth will be revealed when Turnbull reads the NBN update on Monday…that is if it hasn’t been shredded in the mad rush.

  94. I suspect, If Abbott wins, there will not be much glee in the community, even from those who vote for him.

    Are we back in the days of Lang, when every employee on the Friday, got a script of paper in their pay packets, informing them not to bother turning up to work on the Monday, if Lang won,.

    Yes, one had pay packets, with real money in them, in those days.

    None of this election, seems to be running in real time. All seems to be a rerun of former times. All Abbott policies, are lifted from the 20120 elections. Are we to believe nothing has changed in the world or Australia, in the last three years. It seems to be blocked out.

    Giving out false and useless costings, finished the rerun yesterday.

    Yes, interesting times, we now enjoy or is it endure,.

  95. If Abbott cannot read and comprehend a simple policy on the Internet filter, how can he deal with more complex issues.

  96. If Abbott cannot read and comprehend a simple policy on the Internet filter, how can he deal with more complex issues

    I’m sure murdoch will be there to explain the ‘nuances’ to him FU 😉

  97. Feb 17, 2010 – Crikey understands that Abbott had a secret meeting with News Ltd supremo Rupert Murdoch on Sunday morning and had breakfast with him.

    “The Murdoch media has been leaning to the right since the Whitlam days but the anti-Labor meme was really ramped up just before the 2010 election. The catalyst was Murdoch’s luncheon with Tony Abbott, where the NBN (National Broadband Network) must have been the main talking point as the very next day Abbott publicly announced that he’d rip up the NBN.

    “He pissed a few of us off by jumping too soon, thinking that people might tie the announcement to the meeting with Murdoch, which luckily they didn’t. The NBN will affect Murdoch’s profits, and let’s be very clear on that, so the reason to back Abbott was clearly motivated by money for the media empire.”

    Mr Murdoch’s opposition to the NBN was outlined in Mr Cummings’ article.

    Might was well believe pigs can fly than the gormless Abbott came out with tearing down the NBN soon after meeting with Murdoch off his own back.

  98. That’s interesting, Mobius. A post of mine in February had the following:

    “The Murdoch media has been leaning to the right since the Whitlam days but the anti-Labor meme was really ramped up just before the 2010 election. The catalyst was Murdoch’s luncheon with Tony Abbott, where the NBN (National Broadband Network) must have been the main talking point as the very next day Abbott publicly announced that he’d rip up the NBN”.

    “He pissed a few of us off by jumping too soon, thinking that people might tie the announcement to the meeting with Murdoch, which luckily they didn’t. The NBN will effect Murdoch’s profits, and let’s be very clear on that, so the reason to back Abbott was clearly motivated by money for the media empire”.

    The only difference is I made no mention of Mr Cummings. A couple of days later in an update to the post I added:

    My post raised a few eyebrows as well as attracting a number of sniggers, as one would expect. However, the appearance of this brilliant piece by Kieran Cummings the very next day.

    Mmmm. I wonder if they’ve been copying me.

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