I’ve only got one thing to say about the right-wingers who’ve frequented this site over the last three years: they’re stark raving mad.
I haven’t read one sensible coherent comment from them yet.
Do you feel the same?
OMG they babble on with the most inane nonsense. They’ve mastered the art of waffling on about the most pathetic irrelevancies.
Do you agree with that too?
How many times have they been invited to bring some logic into a debate? What a wasted exercise that was.
Again, do you agree?
Café Whispers 
agree, just a nasty lot.
Wonder why they come. Never put up a good argument.
We know who they are – Scaper, Neil, Tweed, Voyager, Summo. They are wastes of electrons. If you banned them, you would get no complaint from me.
Silkworm, the thought has often crossed my mind, but then I think of all the comedy relief they provide us. As long as they don’t turn nasty they’re somewhat bearable. If they were, they would have gone the same way as the trolls who used to come here.
It would be difficult to disagree given the numerous invitations to present arguments in a logical manner.
It’s the same on various social media sites. The drivel that abounds on Facebook and Twitter is astounding to say the least. The most recent I saw was a series of rants on Facebook about “values”. Honestly, read like a sermon from Hillsong Church. There’s something very children of the corn about it all…
Comments such as these on this site are taken by me as a complement.
So thank you all.
Today was another disaster for Rudd , just how humiliating when 2 Department
Heads issue a Statement very clearly correcting the ‘ falsities ‘ of the PMs
Statement today. Even ABC News called Rudd a liar.
Can you pls post your best realistic prediction for the Number of seats
Won/Lost by Labor v Coalition.
You bet I agree. Love the clarity, and opportunity to say Yes!
I try to talk some sense in to them and to see if they can think laterally or be a little creative with their minds. But they are just stuck, rail roaded I guess, hiding in the safety of their own opinions, I even have to work with them out here. Have client and the one over him as abject greed numbers…boy! is this stuffing up the job. They are all struck in low level emotional stuff from what I am seeing.. And you have to keep adjusting away from their sickness, as it’s quite insidious, and can catch you out. I thought the job was finished but I have pointed out a major flaw, so now it is probably back to the drawing board. I think they are a bit thick actually…hate to say this…as one gives people the benefit of the doubt.
Not that I’ve given Abbott any., Strange how this is impossible for me. Something very weird about him…
Michael, might I say that they’re also repetitious and boring?
What gets me, is they seem to get childish pleasure, out what they think is gloating.
They are so thick, they do not notice, they get no response from us.
I suspect that is what they are about. Not really interested in politics at all. Just like being nasty.
Agree. I have been handing out how to vote cards at the pre-election booth in my conservative safe electorate. Abuse and verbal diarrhoea is guaranteed to come from a Liberal/National party voter.
A volunteers role is made so much easier that all the other volunteers have been very supportive.
Michael you are right there is a collective madness amongst the right wingers. A madness that they cannot to see … a madness that will not allow them to see the beauty and truth in the Australian Labor Party. Why? Clinical madness.
The only thing madder than bloggers are journo’s
A great smack-down of the media’s total loss of comprehension and blind inability to see that Treasury were talking to them, not Labor, when it put out it’s statement yesterday.
But, still, we get a full day of inaccurate reporting claiming that Treasury were slapping down Labor.
The level of stupidity expressed by our media verges on the criminal
http://nofibs.com.au/2013/08/29/coalition-10-billion-blackhole-and-media-reports/
Let’s look at VOYAGER post as a typical one where he attempted to throw in a strawman, please look at Rudd and not at our stupidity, but he did without thinking what he was saying and realising the full implication if taken to its conclusion. He just wanted to regurgitate the MSM attack on this without in the slight bit analysing that attack. If it had been an attack on Abbott he would have ignored it.
So what is the conclusion. If Labor did get it wrong on the $10 billion, and it seems that is the case, and Treasury has distanced itself from it, which also seems to be the case, and the right wingers are using that as proof to attack Labor then all other Treasury actions and costings for the Coalition are also valid. The right wingers can’t cherry pick just those bits that suit them.
This means the entire Coalition costing and policy framework as set out by them as a plan, including Abbott’s signature piece PPL, fraudband and DAP are in deep shit, Hockey’s figures are way out, which is why he won’t allow full costings to be undertaken and the Coalition have promised around $70+ billion in unfunded liabilities with only being able to fund a fraction of that through savings, even if you add in the $10 billion in dispute as raised by VOYAGER.
So VOYAGER has admitted the Coalition are economic ignoramuses and have been bullshitting everyone, including himself. But as it is the Coalition bullshitting and likely to send us down the tubes VOYAGER because of his hypocrisy and ideological blinkers doesn’t care as long as he can go “nya nya”.
I rather think they are just old males who grew up with papers like the Telegraph which had some degree of journalistic integrity back in the olden days. They haven’t been able to accept the fact that the good journalists have been replaced by people like Bolt and Akerman who are now no more than the suppositories of knowledge provided to them by their Uncle Rupert. They’re harmless.
Even ABC News called Rudd a liar.
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You sound like you’re surprised that the ABC would say something negative about Labor. I suppose all this time you’ve been ‘believing’ the ABC is biased IN FAVOUR of Labor? Time to wake up at last, mastermind, stop believing everything the Lieberals tell you. Their ABC is almost as strong in its pro-Liberal bias as Ltd News. Where the fuck have you been all this time?
I am sure that Mr. Abbott will release all the PBH figures immediately, to prove how wrong Rudd is. Yes, just release their costings, like all others have.
Why hold them back?
That scene of Abbott at the Homebush Netball centre, surrounded by those giggling girls, makes one wonder about him. Yes, advising the girls that bodily contact is OK. Yes, telling them, if one cannot beat the their opponents fairly, it is OK to knock them over.
Does one wonder, why Abbott is never seen with the public. I know Rudd is following the same path, but at least we have seen him once or twice in public places with people about. Not so with Abbott. Why get on a plane, go to another states, find a park, and film.
There’s definitely something that doesn’t add up about these people. They want their side to win. They’re full on barrackers. They gloat about polls that show them in a strong position. They put shit on the government in every comment. They complain about every little thing. They come here to regurgitate every little meme and lie from the Liberal media.
And yet when you ask them WHY they think Abbott would be a ‘good’ PM, right out of character they’ve got nothing to say.
A couple of times in the last 18 months or so Migs has started threads INVITING these people to make the case for Abbott. What transpired reveals a lot about their hollowness. None of them could answer it. Most did not even try. One loser, I don’t know if he still visits here, actually tried to deny that Migs was making the challenge.
The ‘best’ attempt to answer it, and it was a complete Lol joke, was Neil of Sydney, who tried to say that Abbott would be a good PM because of his quote: “judgement”. We-e-e-e-ll, naturally many examples were put up to show that Abbott has bloody POOR judgement. Neil went quiet about it after that. Left the topic and never mentioned the matter again, never another word said.
Surely if people are going to barrack hard for a team, and not just as a flash in the pan, but over a period OF YEARS, they must have a reason for doing so. Saying “I barrack for Team B because I don’t like Team A” isn’t enough. WHY do they barrack? WHAT do they stand for, apart from hating Team A? Do they stand for nothing? Is there no principle upon which they stand apart from ‘hating the other guy’?
As I said, something doesn’t add up there. Their only convictions are negative – get the other guys out! – there’s nothing affirmative that they represent. They’re too one-dimensional, too lacking in substance. Something his not quite right. It’s like their reason for being politically, is built on smoke.
If Labor did get it wrong on the $10 billion, and it seems that is the case, and Treasury has distanced itself from it, which also seems to be the case,
I don’t think a reading of Treasuries statement when compared to Labors backs that up ME. Basically, the Treasury is statement is highlighting, for the benefit of the journos who made an assumption, that Labor did not get them to cost the oppositions policies, but rather a set of assumptions Labor provided them before the election was called. Labor have used those numbers to pick apart the assumptions the libs have claimed. I have not seen any analysis that shows Labors numbers to be wrong. The media would have you believe that, but, to date, it is all about misrepresenting Treasuries letter.
Labors claim about the $10 Billion still needs to be verified, yet the journo’s appear to be unwilling to do this, perhaps thinking that misrepresenting a Treasury letter will suffice?
Meanwhile, they (deliberately?) miss (again!) the elephant
What Treasury was pointing out, costings can change, is the assumptions they are based on change. This is why Abbott thinks he can used his own people to do costings.
What we need to know from Abbott, why the costings Rudd asked Treasury to do, based on what Abbott had disclosed are so wrong.
Treasury was asked to do costings, based on what Abbott had revealed to the public. Yes, they did not add up, if not now, then.
Mr. Abbott keeps saying, they have delivered all to the PBH office. Why not release the costings, and the assumptions they are based on.
In fact Treasury announcement makes Abbott look a idiot, when it is now apparent, with the unstable global economy over the last few years, making predictions is impossible. Nothing to do wit Rudd getting disfigure wrong.
Yes, the Department is correct to say they did not cost L-NP policies. They did cost the policies that Abbott had released, on behalf of Labor. They would have been well aware at the time, they where Abbott’s policies.
Time for Abbott to stop playing games with the public, and release the costings in full today. If not, one can only come to the conclusion, they are hiding something.
Meanwhile, tabot claimed yesterday that their policy had been costed by the PBO. Well, they must be VERY slow to update their site
http://electioncostings.gov.au/
Treasury was asked to do costings, based on what Abbott had revealed to the public. Yes, they did not add up, if not now, then
Precisely FU. Why cannot ONE journalist in the country wrap their vacant heads around such a simple concept?
The link I put up at http://nofibs.com.au/2013/08/29/coalition-10-billion-blackhole-and-media-reports/ is a pretty detailed breakdown of the unfolding saga, with links to tweeters pointing out for the journo’s their mistakes. Reading karen middletons reaction as it slowly dawns on her, and then her retreat again back into the bunker of her own ignorance is quite amusing, and saddening at the same time.
As Chris Bowen said this morning, the policies that he asked treasury to cost, is what was known in the public arena. Yes, the same policies that we know.
Is Hockey telling us, the information he has released is not true. Much be, as that is what the Treasury costed. Information released by Hockey, into the public arena.
The ABC seems to be the only media outlet reporting this with any accuracy. Well done to them I say.
Departments take blow out of costings punch
A statement from the Treasury and Finance departments has also taken some of the sting out of the Government’s claim.
The departments said they had not costed the Opposition’s policies but policy options as provided by Labor.
It pointed out that different assumptions, such as the start date of a policy, can generate different outcomes.
“The financial implications of a policy may also differ depending on whether the costing is presented on an underlying cash balance or fiscal balance basis,” the statement read.
Responding to the statement, Finance Minister Penny Wong said the Government’s submission was based on what the Opposition had said publicly.
“If Joe Hockey says these assumptions are wrong, he can put his costings out to the Australian people,” she told ABC News 24.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/labor-claims-2410b-hole-in-coalition27s-budget-cuts/4922026
Fro the above link
The departments said they had not costed the Opposition’s policies but policy options as provided by Labor.
This is all Labor claimed from the start. The media reported it inaccurately, and Treasury pointed this out to them. Yet, we have glaring headlines declaring that Treasury is slapping down Labor 😯
Only in oz, circa 2013 😦
That is also another illustration of the gross failings of the right wingers here Tom.
VOYAGER was very quick to regurgitate a media line only because he thought it damned Rudd and Labor. Of course the actual big holes in the Coalition costings, which are out there for all to see, are totally ignored by VOYAGER and ilk, proving them the hypocrites they are.
And their response, if they even bother to give one here? Latest betting odds and trite put downs. They are just not capable of giving any lucid reasons as to why the side they supposedly so strongly support are a superior side with a better leader.
Cuppa, they just sat there like stunned chooks.
ME. Please point out these so called “big holes” out there for all to see. I haven’t seen them, nor have treasury. Do you have a list?
Why do our visitors keep telling us, we are all going to be crying after Septemebr 7.
I think most will be busting our sides laughing, wondering why the Australian electorate is so stupid. Yes, we will enjoy watching Mr. Abbott trip from day one.
Yes, we will have plenty to occupy us for another three years, until Labor gets another chance.
What we will not like, seeing all the good that Labor has achieved going down the gurgler.
Then, this is nothing new. :Labor always has to bring it reforms in at least twice.
Yes, there is always another election.
What are the visitors going to do be doing after the election.
Yes. Tom, it appears what Abbott is telling us, does not add up. We have no idea what he is telling the Parliamentary Budget Office. That is the problem. We are not being told the truth.
If the figures are now different, what is in the public arena is false.
There is no evidence, that Labor made up the assumptions, they presented.
Mr. Hockey, it is easy. Just released the costings and what they have entailed. Green find no problem doing this.
Treasury haven’t seen them because the Coalition refuse to give their costings to Treasury, under the rules bought in by the Coalition by the way.
Proves there’s substance to them. Just some headlines for you, lot’s more if you search with the only repudiation from the Liberal Party website and their right wing toady sites. Yet even the Liberal site in repudiating it doesn’t give the costings for that $70 billion, it only engages in a negative attack against Labor.
Economist Saul Eslake predicts Coalition faces $30 billion budget shortfall.
Coalition under attack over ‘$70 billion black hole’ (SMH)
Coalition’s ‘$30bn budget gap’ is embarrassing. (The Australian)
Coalition under attack over ‘$70 billion black hole’ (The Murray Valley Standard)
The Coalition have made $70 billion in unfunded promises so far, it’s actually a lot more than that now, but let’s stay with their original $70 billion.
The Coalition have refused to release costings on that $70 billion so until they do it’s a budget hole.
It’s a fair enough attack as Howard did exactly the same thing to Rudd in the 2007 election, so unless you are stating you believe in double standards and until they release their costings there is a $70 billion hole in their budget.
So Summo can you give us the Coalition’s costings for their unfunded liabilities and for once engage in lucid debate, or is it that betting odds are all you can get your head around?
Truth?..FU these are politicians. You want truth? Visit the fairies at the bottom of the garden.
Finally something I agree with Summo on.
Then if you know Abbott is bullshitting, and is the worst at doing it, why are looking forward to him being in power?
Betting odds will do me ME. I took the LNP at $1.50 weeks ago…yehaaaa…party time tonite!….AND next Saturday nite 🙂
Latest prediction 34 seats!!
Where are you scaper? I’ll be in Moreton next week. Should catch up and celebrate over a flem cutter or 2.
yajustgottalaugh 😉
Well, one big black hole is what they claim they will saved from dismantling the CEFC. This does not show up in the budget bottom line. This is because it is a business operation, that lends money, that is paid back. Same goes for any savings they save on NBNCo. Yes, and their NBN lite is to be funded the same way.
They are claiming savings that are not there.
What about all the new departments that Abbott intends to create or bring back. The special court for the building industry alone, would pay for the School Kids Bonus. There is no evidence, that it did any good, before the Labor dismantled it. no evidence at all. That is, except Abbott’s ideology
How much are all the audits. productivity commission investigations and green papers going to cost. Nearly all his policy announcement carry a rider, that all are to be exposed to some type of inquiry after the election.
I believe that Hockey attacked the Departments, demanding that they say, they never costed Liberal policies.
Yes, that is true. Labor did not claim that.
If appears they did cost, what Labor presented, the policies and assumptions that Hockey released to the public.
If one wants Abbott. please take the time to listen to his answers to what he would do with the Syria question.
No opinion whatever. No answer, as usual. ABC 24
Did Labor claim that the figures released yesterday came from the PBO. I thought they were Treasury figures.
Listen to what he had to say about Syria. This morning on ABC Faine. he has no idea.
Is releasing the figures towards the end of next week,. Friday, maybe. Definitely after the blackout on ads.
Very careful with answers. In fact, too careful. Looks shifty. ABC 24
Will legislate to negate all CEF credits. Millions of dollars, to be lost from motor industry alone. This will occur from day one.
Does Abbott forget, when one makes a radio interview, we generally see it shown on TV.
The reason that Coalition voters can’t ever state one positive reason for voting for Tony Abbott is because there aren’t any. All they ever do is talk about polls and bookmakers odds and gossip. They seem incapable of discussing anything to do with politics, the economy, foreign affairs, education, health, infrastructure, immigration…in fact all those things that governments DO. It’s no wonder Tony relies on slogans and Rupert relies on photo shopping. It’s picture book politics for morons. See Tony run. They get bored with anything beyond three words. When presented with facts, whether it be about the economy or climate change or whatever, they just say we don’t believe it, they are lying, it’s a conspiracy. It would be amusing except these morons may actually vote in a Prime Minister who would be the greatest humiliation to this country since the bowling underarm incident.
Love example put to Abbott. Two Lebsians on $150 thousand, and intend to have a baby at the same time.
Yes, they both will get $75,000.,
summo, enjoy that celebrations. I am sure they will be short lived.
Abbott is backing off blaming the rises in cost of power prices. Now is claiming, that the rise caused by carbon tax, is less than 10%. Not responsible for the 90% odd that has occurred.
Asked about the silly idea of buying Indonesian fishing boats. I am sure the Indonesian, will love Australians on the ground, interfering in their country.
Faine ABC Radio
Could I also point out that the Coalition will not have a majority in the Senate and it is most unlikely that they will be able to do any of the regressive dismantling of reform that they are touting. Tony has also stated he will go to a double dissolution if he can’t get his way. King for a day?
Another BIG black hole, one would think. One by the way, he does not tell us where the money is coming from.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/29/coalition-climate-change-modelling-shortfall?CMP=ema_follow
Another is hos costings on NBN lite/fraud. Yes, his inferior NBN lite/fraud will be much more expensive in the long run, Will also create much waste. Those nodes, hooking to the clapped out copper. will have no use, when the inevitable happens, and the fibre foes to the premises.
The biggest waste of the lot, is the captain’s pick, the PPL scheme. One that Abbott said, when first announcing it, will come out of general revenue, when the economy improves.
Also one much wonder how he is going to get the savings he claims by not replacing PS by natural retribution. To get the numbers he claims, all that leave would have to be on wages of over $400 thousand a year. I suspect, they would be heads of departments, at least.
Yes, he might make some savings by cutting the refugee intake, back to 13,700. Do not know how our near neighbours will take to this cut.
Michael, today’s effort is a typical statement from a biased left-wing person. You don’t like anything that does nor agree with your twisted thinking. Just accept the fact that there are people who hold opposing views and OMG, what if you are the one who is wrong? Where to now?
Curry, you know what, I hope you are correct. I suspect, it is us, who have got it right.
Curry, point out to us, what is wrong with the assumptions that Labor put to Treasury for costing.
I don’t like the whole “Well, there’s always another election”. Yes there is, but by the time it comes around the damage has been done and may not be able to be reversed
Curry, our thinking might be twisted, but I do not like the future that Abbott is painting for us.
I like the idea that Australia is a place of the fair go, and being a good sport. Have trouble with winner take all, and that the end is all that counts, not the means.
Curry, why is Abbott afraid to let us have those costings. today, not next Friday. Time for us to assess what they mean.
Lynne, I would rather not see Abbott in, but the truth is, it will be the will of the electorate, and under democracy, that is the way it works.
We have been at this place many times before. Thankfully the country has survived, but not without much damage and hurt.
Some people need reality to come to their senses.
Most of what Labor has achieved, since Federation, has had to be bought in more than once.
What I am saying, we will not be in despair as some who haunt this site believe. Yes, disappointed, but like most do when beaten, get up, dust ourselves off, and live to fight another day.
It will not be us that is crying for long, but those who put their faith in Abbott. Not that he will be around for that long.
As for the senate, yes, he could even get his way there. Looks like Sinodinos, one of the Libs calmer heads, could be replaced by Pauline Hanson. That will be one for the books. A senate, control by those further to the right, than Abbott.
summo and Co, you have not commented on some of the black holes, I have raised.
So true. I have found them to be very abusive when you present them with any real facts that are true. Some of them even put up the most ridiculous comments to anything I post and you have to try and decipher what they are talking about, it you ask them what they are on about they become abusive. I have often asked if they can tell me why they think our economy is a mess they never have an answer to that and quite often become abusive. Sometimes their comments are hilarious you have to laugh.
Rudd sure has guts, to agree to qanda in his own electorate. With the audience made up of those who live there.
We know from the Brisbane debate, there where many in the audience from there, that said they will not vote for him in any way.
Leader of the Opposition Tony Abbott
Monday 2 September 2013
11.30am – 1.30pm
‘2013 Election
Bizarre.
There must have been over two hundred threads written about Abbott here. The speculation of what he would do when he becomes PM, outright distortions of what he has done, what he is doing, wacky conspiracy theories and the people that come here that don’t support the worst government in modern times are stark raving mad???
Still harping on about that question that was nothing but a diversion. I answered it and I don’t particularly like Abbott. You said that Rudd and Gillard are good PMs. The party kicked both of them out because they were toxic which proves your judgement is flawed. You judge that Abbott will not be a good PM so based on that, Abbott will do a better job than the freaks that have been running the show for the last six years…QED.
Oh by the way…I don’t consider myself to be of either the left or right. When I disagree with either of these so called sides the automatic reaction is to label me a leftoid or a right wing nut, which is pretty piss weak. And you talk of no logic or debate?
Curry you are more than entitled to hold opposing views. Care to elaborate on what they are? Convince me why a Coalition government would be better for this country. Why would I vote for a party that thinks climate change is crap and that the NBN is for playing video games? Why would I vote for a party that thinks we need to prop up the wealthy at the expense of the poor? Why would I vote for a party that wants to privatise our health and education systems and remove means testing for benefits? Why would I vote for a party that wants to give tax cuts to the rich whilst scrapping the superannuation co-contribution for low income earners and the rise in the superannuation guarantee for all workers? Why would I vote for a party that wants to remove the collective voice of workers by dismantling unions? Why would I vote for a party that wants to stop development of renewable energy and to undo the environmental reforms regarding marine parks and the Murray-Darling? Why would I vote to have a man for Prime Minister who thinks homosexuality is some form of abomination yet who writes a glowing reference for a pedophile priest? Why would I want a PM who seems to think sex appeal is an attribute for a candidate or who embarrasses an apprentice and school girls with his totally inept and very creepy comments?
I thinks, Abbott might just be a little lying, He has no intention of releasing any costings,m that lets us in on what he really intends to do. He is very smug when answering questions about costings. He seems to believe he is outsmarting Labor. Suggest, he is treating us voters as fools. And yes, many are letting him get away with it.
Been away this week in the outback, pig hunting. It does not look good for Labor.
Was think about changing my prediction of Labor seats from 47 to 52. Nah, will hold firm on 47.
So, do you have an opinion on the reportage of the costings saga scaper, and do you think that Labors position has been misrepresented at all here?
Meanwhile, hunt continues to lie, blatantly, and the media is all Silent Bob
“I’m puzzled that Mr Greg Hunt would cite me as a supporter of his program on direct action. Until you wrote your enquiry I’d never heard of direct action, let alone commented in support of it. Nor had I ever been in touch with Mr Hunt.”
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/29/policy-politics/nobel-laureates-whats-direct-action
Michael I totally agree. The right wing supporters have mastered the art of not saying anything sensible and babbling on, just like the Tea Party of Tony Abbott.
Watching Tony Abbott’s Tea Party candidates evade answering questions by aggressively interrupting their opponents or the questioner, or diverting the question to some irrelevant issue has been immensely frustrating, but an insight into their lack of intelligence and the fact that all they have to offer the electorate is a far right, small minded, small hearted ideological agenda.
To add to that is the fact that many Liberal candidates have been ordered not to attend community forums to face public scrutiny…the first step to a fascist state!
200 threads as you say, but not one from you, telling us why Abbott will be good for us and the country, Not one fact from you. As for pig shooting, do not believe you. That sport takes guts. If one can call it sport. At least it is getting rid of vermin.
Scaper. pretty please. Just one comment, telling us why you support Abbott. Just one will do.
scaper, all you are good at, is name calling, nothing else.
Tommy, haven’t an informed position on the latest controversy as of yet. As usual, during campaigns the truth is somewhere in the middle but I see the sites I monitor are abuzz.
Oh dear, so aiming and pulling a trigger takes guts? Took out my first pig when I was a kid!
As usual, during campaigns the truth is somewhere in the middle
That is a bold assumption, especially when ltdnews is involved
scaper, the wild pig I have seen in Queensland, I would not have liked to be around, on the ground, Yes, OK if one can see them. Not so, if they came out of that bush at you. A good dog does help.
Then I suspect, you never left the safety of the vehicle that took you into the bus.
You are bullshit.
Wong ABC 24. The problem is that Abbott will not allow costings to be did.
Costings were on stated policies. If different, Hockey can come out today, and released his figures.
No question that Abbott has to make more cuts, and it is clear, that he is not going to tell us what they are.
Wong accusing Hockey of lying. Lodged 46 policies. Policies before that, are found in economic documents.
Costings based on the stated policies of the Opposition.
Wong needs to directly challenge the headlines in todays paper FU. The meme is out there, it needs to put to rest!
Having a bad day, CU?
Been away this week in the outback, pig hunting.
So it was a journey of self-discovery then?
“Costings based on the stated policies of the Opposition.”
That’s the entire point Fu. It’s all anyone at the moment has to go on and so far the Coalition’s promises add up to well over $70 billion in unfunded liabilities and their supposed savings, which are pie the sky stuff with some double dipping, nowhere near covers half that amount let alone the whole of it.
So until they release their costings and they are legitimate then anyone can rightly state they have a $70 billion hole because they do. This is because of their own charter of honesty bought in by Howard and still extant today, and they can’t very well say one standard applies to Labor and a different one to them, especially when they (rightly) attacked Rudd on this very matter in 2007.
Being at one with the pig, but it seems the pig didn’t teach anything, the same narky sniping and pettiness still evident.
Gee, this thread was supposed to be about the right being stark raving mad but it looks like the left have the affliction.
Barry Jones …
“I have been involved in politics for a long time – far too long – but I have never observed such levels of loathing, personal hatred for political figures. Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, Tony Windsor have been subject to unprecedentedly vindictive attacks, as has Tony Abbott to a degree and John Howard in his time. It is one of the ugliest factors in our public life.
Despite the exponential increases in public education and access to information in the past century, the quality of political debate appears to have become increasingly unsophisticated, appealing to the lowest common denominator of understanding. Does anyone’s vote change after seeing a Prime Minister or Opposition Leader in a supermarket or factory? I am open to persuasion but I doubt it.”
https://theconversation.com/barry-jones-the-2013-election-and-the-death-of-rationality-17637
No scaper. in fact I am having a good day. Enjoy watching that interview of Abbott with John Faine this morning. Showed what a creep the man is.
No matter what happens next Saturday, does not change the fact, Abbott is not capable of being PM.
Even our second pick, outstrips Abbott by miles.
No scaper, a good day indeed.
Rudd now on ABC 24.
Will be fun, watching many that visit here, justify the action’s of Abbott, if the country is unlucky enough to have him as PM.
Yep. I think we may enjoy politics for many a long moon to come.
Has Hockey been lying. It appears no Opposition policies have been lodged with the office of budget honesty.
I am confused in this matter.
but it looks like the left have the affliction.
I’m not mad, I am angry that our political process has been so corrupted by our media that they will lie to protect the likes of tabot.
So Greg Hunt announces a 20 year plan for the Antarctic. He will spend 38 million on Hobart airport. These are his priorities.
“The 20 Year Australian Antarctic Strategic Plan will address how Australia can remain engaged, active and visible in the region. It will provide the blueprint for the future with a focus on:
•ensuring robust and reliable access to the Australian Antarctic Territory;
•extending Australia’s reach across the Australian Antarctic Territory;
•committing to undertaking nationally and globally significant science;
•committing to exercising influence in the region through the Antarctic Treaty System; and
•expanding the role of Tasmania as the gateway for Antarctic expeditions and scientific research.”
ummmmm…..environment anyone?
Just saw this on the oo
In an unprecedented rebuke in the heat of an election campaign, the heads of Treasury, Finance and the Parliamentary Budget Office publicly repudiated the Prime Minister’s accusation of “$10 billion fraud” in the Coalition’s costings, saying the numbers he used did not bear out the claim.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/rudd-attack-blew-up-in-his-face-abbott/story-fn9qr68y-1226707352623
Anyone able to confirm where the media release says “the numbers he used did not bear out the claim.”
http://www.treasury.gov.au/PublicationsAndMedia/MediaReleases/2013/Costings-Statement
Scaper, you didn’t need to go all the way to the outback for a few pigs.
yajustgottalaugh 😉
You do if you want to roast the suckers on a spit.
Again Scaper, not necessarily. I’ve seen quite a few being roasted very slowly recently.
yajustgottalaugh :0
But would you eat them???
Nah…too many grubs.
yajustgottalaugh 😉
you didn’t need to go all the way to the outback for a few pigs.
Nah, the convoy of incontinence brings ’em in for ya 😉
btw, anyone been able to highlight what the oo claimed the media release from Treasury said. I still can’t find it?
Lol. Gets up off the deck. I ping the suckers with my Patriot compound bow, the Colt 45 turns them into braised suckers.
It’s really just a confirmation of this post.
The media make up a lie, I ask specific questions of people about it, and all they can do is talk about shooting pigs
gutless, not madness, I reckon
Scaper, this one’s just for you.
Hey Tommy, I hunt alone. When the first pig is taken I strip off, cover myself in pig blood and then roll in the dust.
Do you want to come on my next hunting trip? It’s fun.
Yee Haw! 😆
Scaper. Besides keeping the mozzies away, it stops the Muslims bumming a lift.
yajustgottalaugh 😉
Come on soxy, this is the twenty first century…I have an electric banjo!
Keep on supporting this post scapes 😉
Meanwhile, the media continue to lie, and you are quite happy with that.
Summo, you’ve got something there. I’m in the wrong business, should be hunting the pigs and sending them to Christmas Island to feed the aspiring Australians. Once the word got out the boats would certainly stop.
Yes, I agree. They have nothing worth considering because their political ideology is bereft of ideas!
But Tommy, I am on topic…the title of this thread is ‘Stark raving mad’.
You can scapegoat all you like, blaming the media for Labor’s woeful campaign. Speaking of scapegoating…nah, could be used against me in a court of law.
HAHAHAHAHAH!
blaming the media for Labor’s woeful campaign.
Actually, I’m blaming the media for the media woeful campaign coverage.
The war of words over Labor’s black hole claims escalated on Friday, with a defiant Treasurer Chris Bowen and Deputy Prime Minister Anthony Albanese insisting the government’s claims were correct – despite the secretaries of Treasury and Finance taking the highly unusual step late on Thursday of publicly denying that they had examined opposition policies.
Mr Bowen was adament on Friday that ”we stand by every word that we said yesterday”.
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”In the press conference we said that we asked the Treasury and department of finance to cost these things before the election. We said that. But we also said that assumptions can change the costings. We said that,” Mr Bowen said.
The Treasurer said the two department secretaries had simply affirmed that Labor had asked the departments to cost the policies before the election.
”If the opposition is so sure of their facts here, they can clear this up today by releasing their costings.”
Earlier, Mr Albanese also stood firm on the government’s claims.
”Depending upon – all that Treasury and Finance have said is, if you change the assumptions, the details, the period of time of what have you, then you might get different outcomes,” he told Channel 9 on Friday morning. ”And that’s correct. Based upon the assumptions of what they’re saying, on the opposition’s own words, they’re the figures.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/labor-campaign-in-tatters-says-coalition-as-government-defends-costings-claim-20130830-2subr.html#ixzz2dPeiJBuD
Note the bolded bits. It’s within their same story, yet they still are running the line that Treasury is rebutting Labors claim. They are not, they are rebutting the media claim. But the media refuse to acknowledge that. And continue to verbal Labor, while letting the opposition get away with outright lies.
And you are happy with this.
Tommy, I’m over the election campaign and not up to speed of what transpired yesterday.
It seems that the Murdoch and Fairfax media are going hard on the issue but believe most have made up their minds so it is neither here or there.
The reality is I don’t care.
The reality is I don’t care.
Then why are you commenting on a politics blog?
Why are you bringing the issue up in a thread that accuses the right of being stark raving mad???
Abbott out once again, supporting those who take advantage of tax loop holes. All that has been asked that those who purchased cars under th FBT, obey the rules.
There has been no change to the FBT. What is being asked, is they prove the car is used for work, as is what is required to be eligible for the tax break.
Hockey once again, lying about what happened yesterday, and what treasury really said
Hockey, prove Bowen a lie. Release the costings.
Mr. Hockey, what are your policies?
Speaking of stark raving mad…I see my number one fan is lurking. Gee, brags about drinking a bottle and a half of Scotch in one sitting. One would either be dead or an alcoholic to pull off such a feat!
I know, an alcoholic with a dead brain. Explains the floor sweeping position.
Why are you bringing the issue up in a thread that accuses the right of being stark raving mad???
Because, as I said in my first post, the media are madder than the wingnuts!
Mind you, your effort today brings that statement under scrutiny
Why are you commenting on a political blog when you ‘really don’t care’?
Sadly, this sums it up well.
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21584343-kevin-rudd-just-about-deserves-second-turn-lucky-no-more
A Liberal voter explains it for you – he’s MUCH more articulate than any of the other right-whingers here 😉 😆
Meanwhile, not all conservatives are mad
Of the country’s two main parties, the Liberal Party, now in opposition in a Liberal-National coalition, is the natural home of The Economist’s vote: a centre-right party with a tradition of being pro-business and against big government.
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The choice between a man with a defective manifesto and one with a defective personality is not appealing—but Mr Rudd gets our vote, largely because of Labor’s decent record.
Snap FU 😉
Bacchus, have you any idea, what he is saying, Not for families.
Maybe scaper and co can interpret for us
Those that come here to troll, seem to ignore the fact, we are definitely not in love with Rudd, but find him a hundred times more appealing that Abbott and his mob.
Even with Labor’s second rung crew, they leave the Opposition for dead.
“Bacchus, have you any idea, what he is saying”
Absolutely none Fu, but he still makes much more sense than the other right-whingers here 😆
I have a feeling that many MPs gave up and left parliament, when Rudd came back, not because of Rudd, but because they cannot stand the stink, that politics has become today.
They have had enough.
I think the saddest thing about this election, is the number of good people, from both sides that have given up.
They appeared to have move out of politics, without even bothering to look back. All have disappeared into the ether.
It is really concern, that most left behind does not give one any great hope for the future.
One can only hope this election throws up some talent. but what we ave seen so far, especially from the right, gives one little hope.
Politics today, seems to involve knocking down anyone that shows any talent. I am talking, politics in general here.
Does it not concern anyone, that this election campaign has taken place with no contact with the public. Public is kept hundreds metres way, by high fences or the police. Sometimes both.
I think Abbott has found a new makeup girl. Looks younger today. Maybe Lily has joined his team.
Oh Tommy, Tommy, Tommy…twisting words again?
In reality, I just don’t care for the media conspiracy theory. Not stark raving mad enough…but I’m willing to try.
scaper, I must say, you are a nasty little turd. Never happy, unless insulting people.
Here we go, the meds must have kicked in. Just stark raving. Calls me a turd, happy?
So the ALP had costings done on what the coalition said it would do. And released them. The error here seems to’ve been the assumption that the coalition would do any such thing.
“The New South Wales corruption watchdog has recommended criminal charges be laid against former state Labor minister Ian Macdonald over a second controversial mining licence.
The Independent Commission Against Corruption today handed down its findings from Operation Acacia, the last of four high-profile inquiries into ministers in the former NSW Labor government.
In findings handed to the NSW Parliament, ICAC Commissioner David Ipp found former union official John Maitland and businessmen Craig Ransley, Andrew Poole and Michael Chester also acted corruptly.
Mr McDonald, Mr Maitland, Mr Ransley and Mr Poole have been referred to the state’s Director of Public Prosecutions for possible criminal charge.”
Just love the criminal under workings of Labor. Very stark!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-30/icac-finds-macdonald-corrupt-over-second-mine-licence/4924598
Yes Mr. Abbott. No problems that one can see with Fair Work. No increase in strikes. Wages steady. Why does the pendulum needs to swing back to employers.
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-are-wages-steady-disputes-down-and-productivity-up-17516?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+30+August+2013&utm_content=Latest+from+The+Conversation+for+30+August+2013+CID_e05d6fe476aa935db17ebdb5e1f24b57&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=FactCheck%20QA%20are%20wages%20steady%20disputes%20down%20and%20productivity%20up
The reality is I don’t care.
Not much to twist there pigscaper
But you did, Tommy. You inferred I did not care for politics and asked why I bother commenting on a politics blog.
Doing a good job of the stark raving mad thing, yourself.
HAHAHAHAHAH!
“Tommy, I’m over the election campaign ” but I will insist on interjecting with crap because I like to see my name appear?
The sad thing is that in a Dumbocracy it only takes two idiots to outvote a same person.
I take some reassurance in that one of those ranters will have his/her vote cancelled out by mine.
That should have been SANE person. I’m now having doubts about myself.
Another black hole,
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/30/policy-politics/direct-action-could-it-be-35b-budget-blowout
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/workchoices-sudmalis/4920352
Yes, scaper I am cut and pasting. Just scroll past, if it is above your comprehension.
scaper, most of the cuts, are from sites, that are far from left wing.
Commenters are scraping scraper off their bottom of their shoes.
Liz Burke @lizeburke 29 Aug
Look at moi RT @bkjabour Love this photo of Tony Abbott and his COS Peta Credlin in the Australian today. pic.twitter.com/0lBVNSzxNH
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cuppa, I suspect scaper’s welcome is losing attraction for some. Just calling him, as he is.
at least in the old days with the Tele and the Herald Sin you could wipe your arse with it, now you wouldn’t put it anywhere near your butt
For the last four elections, it has been the last minute swinging youth vote, that has won elections. Hope this is true, as I believe that both CEF and NBNCo, would be high on their list.
zwetschgen, would not trust it today. Shocked to find out, the print editions are worse than what we see on the web.
Rudd press conference not quite to plan
by: By Ehssan Veiszadeh
From: AAP
August 30, 2013 5:22PM
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IT was the press conference from hell.
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd was addressing the media shortly after speaking at a union event.
About 15 people from different age groups stood behind him – presumably to reflect Labor’s appeal to all Australians – at the Unions WA office in Perth on Friday.
But the room was hot and lacked air flow and sweat began to bead on Mr Rudd’s forehead.
For most of the 45-minute press conference Mr Rudd was defending his claim the coalition’s $31.6 billion worth of interim budget savings underestimated the impact of its policies by $10 billion.
I can see no higher political fraud committed against the Australian people,” Mr Rudd said.
He believes the coalition won’t release its full costings until a day or two before the September 7 election, leaving it little time to respond.
Then a young girl, aged about 10, who had been standing for most of his remarks, collapsed.
She was given first aid, and once recovered, offered a seat.
One journalist also began to buckle under the heat and walked away as Mr Rudd spoke.
Mr Rudd, looking annoyed, reminded the reporter he was answering his question. The journalist said he was feeling unwell.
To make matters worse, a Labor staffer accidentally turned off the lights in the room, leading the prime minister to briefly pause the press conference.
If that wasn’t enough, a radio microphone fell off the lectern Mr Rudd was using.
From AAP.
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It’s all over for Labor. Enough to drive a lefty stark raving mad! Prime Minister Tony Abbott has a ring to it. And you all thought that he would never be PM. How wrong you were.
Yes, no depth there in the Opposition to fall back on. We could be lucky and see Mirabella and Pyne go. They say Sinodinos could be outed by Pauline. That would be big loss to the Opposition.
Do not agree with his views, but is one of the few Opposition members, that has some ability
It appears the department heads started there letters off with their concerns with the reporting of. They then went on to repeat what Labor said, that the government has presented the Coalitions stated policies. At no time was it alleged, they were Coalition assumptions.
If what the Coalition put out in the public arena is in correct. Maybe they should let us in on the truth.
Believe Rudd spent over an hour on another venue, answering questions from all comers. In fact, he went onto announce his mental health policy. Was supposed to be very successful.
scaper, you are old enough, not to believe everything you hear, especially from OM.
Zippity do da, zippity ay, my oh…..whoops sorry, just having an early practise singing session for 8th Sept.
I see the alps are out to $13 and still drifting.
yajustgottalaugh 😉
Scaper, I don’t k ow who you are but you are a hero. This lot here would have driven a lesser person insane by now.
Ehssan Veiszadeh Lies To Australia!
Posted on August 7, 2013 by archiearchive FCD
Who is Ehssan Veiszadeh?
He is the journalist who wrote this article in today’s news.com.au edition which may or may not have been sourced from AAP.
Why do I say that he lies?
Because I have been keeping a close watch on asylum seeker arrivals as reported in the Main Stream Media. His numbers do not gel with what I have been able to see.
http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/ehssan-veiszadeh-lies-to-australia/
Quoting some lying Murdoch scum’s take of an interview is hardly revealing. Sounds like he is incapable of following the substance but is engrossed in technical difficulties. Sorta guy that no doubt found make-upgate enthralling.
Great job there Ehssan…he didn’t even mention what the speech was about. Journalism at it’s finest….though it seems to satisfy scaper’s need for news.
Bacchus @ 3.11pm… thank you so much for the utube post, haven’t had such a laugh in ages… have shared it with others. Keep up the fabulous work!
KL all your link provided is proof that the current govt is unable to accurately record anything. How hard can it be to count heads on a boat?
yajustgottalaugh 😉
Bacchus..outstanding youtube..outstanding…
as i have been saying ALL ALONG
yajustgottalaugh 😉
ummmmmm what is said was that the journalist who scaper gets his news and views from is a liar. But I guess asking you to read an article and understand it would interrupt your gum-chewing.
I DO NOT CHEW GUM…I like tbacky..okay?
I shan’t ask what you chew?
yajustgottalaugh 😉
Do a search for:
YouTube Australian Sex Party Campaign Ad 2013
Language warning, but very funny 😀
My mistake. My other mistake has been wasting my time reading the drivel you write let alone responding to it. As has been continually pointed out, not ONE of you can carry on a coherent discussion about anything political. I will leave you and scaper to swap pig squealing, backy chawing stories and bookies odds. I prefer to converse with someone who can contribute something to the conversation….yanno…someone I might learn something from.
They come to enjoy the lack of censorship they cannot experience in media aligned with their own ideology.
KL..sounds like u need a cuddle.
Good night sweety
yajustgottaluagh 😉
Bob…please do not promulgate your cogitations with platitudinous ponderosity. Ok?
yajustgottalaugh 😉
KL,no way you could be that desperate.
IMO, people like Summo take advantage of the good nature and lack of censorship he cannot get on sites like News.ltd or Fairfax to troll . Same with Scaper to a large extent.
While i also disagree with people like Tweed and Neil, at least they have something to say and often bring facts and figures to the table. Summo is here largely to troll and the site is worse for it.
BE..thats is it exactly it! When nothing else feeds your thirst, be personal. What did I ever do to you? cya later …footy is on.
yajustgottaluagh;)
Here’s the new Get Up ad 😀
Cheers 😀
“When nothing else feeds your thirst, be personal.”
“KL..sounds like u need a cuddle.
Good night sweety”
I just showed that exchange to my husband. His response was yeah good luck with THAT mate. That approach works SO well with her.
Thankfully I married a good man.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/clarke-and-dawe–looking-quietly-confident-as-they/4921946?WT.trc=Social+Campaigns&WT.mc_id=Innovation_News%7CClarke+And+Dawe_FBP%7Cabc
It’s my first time here and I am enjoying reading some of the articles. I suppose I am what you would refer to as a swinging voter. My favourites of the Labor term have been the NDIS and Gonski (or whatever it is called this week) along with the not often mentioned but I think important change to cigarette packaging laws and cigarette tax increases. I thought Nicola Roxon was excellent in the way she went about taking on the tobacco companies.
One of the issues I am interested in hearing about although not affecting me personally is same sex marriage debate. Why wouldn’t Labor have introduced same sex marriage when they had an atheist PM and do people really believe a conscience vote introduced by Rudd will get anywhere or merely a vote grabber?”
I think you may have that wrong on same sex marriage Just wondering.
It was Gillard who was going to allow a conscience vote whilst Rudd is going to introduce a bill within 100 days of winning government to legalise it.
Do you seriously think he will introduce it though? What are your thoughts on the first point of why Gillard wouldn’t introduce it though? Thanks for the correction. After I wrote that I thought I might have gotten it the wrong way round.
Cheers
Just Wondering, at least the former PM allowed a conscience vote on the issue whereas Abbott’s ethics are completely against it. I notice that Christopher Pyne chose as his venue to announce Liberal Party policy a school which maintains that gay relationships are “an abomination”. I would therefore expect no joy on the issue whatsoever from the LNP.
However, as far as Ms Gillard goes and I do not agree with her reasoning, she stated that she does not believe in the institution of marriage per se hence her conscience would not allow her to vote for an institution which she does not believe in.
Hi Carol, thanks for your reply. I think this is where we are at. I dont think either party will support same sex marriage, another indicator of the lack of difference in these parties
What baffles me is how any liberal voter is prepared to vote without seeing the terms and conditions (i.e. costings, etc) attached to the agreement they are signing off on/voting for.
Hockey has pulled out of his promised third debate with Bowen next week. ABC 24
Rudd just more or less said, that the polling he has seen, means the election will end up much closer than they think.
Just wonder what effect does people being told every few minutes, that the polls say, Labor is finished, will have on their vote.
It could rub many the wrong way. One only needs small number, in the right place to change their votes.
It will be interesting to see what the PBO says about the Lib’s, when published in thirty days after the election.
Yes, those red or green books are released.
Mr. Sinodinos is now telling us, they cannot deliver a surplus. Something they demanded of Labor.
Note: The Libs no longer use the terrible debt or deficit word. No longer, that we have a budget emergency.
What has changed. All we are hearing from them now, is take us on trust.
Bowen must be shaking in his boots in regards to the LNP candidate in his west Sydney electorate……………shaking in his boots with laughter that is 😆
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/08/31/09/21/candidate-wants-crime-suspects-mircochipped-with-rifles
Burka is a very affronting type of attire.. Backing King’s comments.
Not commenting on ,micro chips and shooting them Not getting into micro detail. Now, why not came out, and say
, no I do not agree with what the ex copper has said.
Now accusing Labor of running smear contest against King How is repeating what the man has siad, a smear campaign.
Now according to Abbott, MINING COMPANIES SHOULD NOT have to show their actions do not destroy the environment.
The question was ab out nursing homes. It appears his answer, is to remove the essential paper work for them, to improve patient care.
Lakita once again mentioned. Back to the slogans. Still nothing new. Louise coming back from overseas, to join the troop,. No mentioned, that she has been working for the FM.
Not slogans, this is what one needs. At least we will get them 30 days after the election. Economist know nothing about Australia.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/libs-stall-on-costings-as-labor-stumbles-20130830-2sw97.html#ixzz2dVpjjRSQ
All answers, whether it is the dairy or any other industry, is build a stronger economy. More slogans.
LOVO, Abbott’s answers weak in relation of what King said. Very weak.
Now defending 457’s.
Has backed off a little in his answers. Saying if there are rorts, have to be dealt with.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/libs-plan-to-microchip-suspects-by-sniper-rifle-20130830-2sw8k.html#ixzz2dVs10WNw
Tony Abbott stretches at Castle Hill during his morning run in Townsville. (AAP: Alan Porritt).
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OL Tony Abbott says red tape is hardly going to stop abuse being detected and resolved in aged care. #AusVotes
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OL Tony Abbott – on aged care – we’ll have more to say in the next few days. Everywhere we want to cut red tape. #AusVotes
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Morrison now on. Wonder if he spend his time. dreaming up nasty things he can do,. to refugees. One would think he hates them
Wonder how many people really care abut what he has to say.
How many boats not coming now?
Poor Morrison, he must have missed out on that Abbott has moved on from budget melt down. That is yesterdays slogan.
Gee, we also have Brandis. Now who would take his legal advice.
Now trying to scare up fear, that giving refugees legal advice, takes away from advice us Australians can get.
Talk about politics of the envious.
I did really believe, that we were the land of the fair go. It appears that I have been mistaken.
Has Abbott really changed over his life. Suspect not.
http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/is-abbott-sending-holy-smoke-signals/690/
Abbott dies nothing, that does not have meaning. Why a strongly fundamentalist Christian school. What ks the message he is trying to send.
ABC24. Forum Lesbian… rights. Dreyus, Dwyer Brandt
Title too long.
Wrong! The journalist is wrong. But I am not surprised.
You are right Col, that only applies to State politics where any mistake below the line invalidates the ballot.
In Federal politics the AEC allows for innocent mistakes below the line and counts the ballot as valid up until the mistake then discards everything after it.
I didn’t like Gillard not putting in legislation to legalise it but instead going the long way round through a conscience vote, which still would have ended up with it legalised eventually but with her being able to say she was against it.
She never gave a valid reason for her anti-gay marriage stance, just the same “not traditional” argument that doesn’t hold a drop of water. I was disappointed with her on this matter.
Rudd said he will bring it in within his first 100 days I believe he will do so. I think he’s learnt his lesson on back flipping on the greatest moral challenge to face us.
I heard Bob Carr this morning saying that for your vote to be valid (House of Reps) you must number every square. I think you have it wrong way round ME
Why does Morrison assume, giving refugees access to legal advice, automatically slows the system up.
From my point of view, the Opposite could be true. The advice they could get, is the assessment in legal.
It is not my experience, that legal advisers go to court, for the fun of it. Most least want some chance of winning.
Just another effort of Morrison and Brandis to demonise these people more, sand stir up hate in our society.
I should have said Senate Kaye Lee. Can’t find the original Crikey article that shows how you can deliberately make a mistake below the line, e.g. 1 2 3 4 5 5 6 7 etc. or 1 2 3 4 5 5 7 8 etc. to stop preferences going to a party you don’t want any preferences to go to. The AEC ruling I have found is along the lines of what Col stated.
Yes you must number every square in the HoR elections for it to be valid. The Senate is a bit more complicated. I’ve provided the link to Antony Green on another thread.
Here’s the link to professor John Wanna
http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/07/10/supersized-ballot-papers-is-e-voting-the-answer/
“I notice that Christopher Pyne chose as his venue to announce Liberal Party policy a school which maintains that gay relationships are “an abomination”. I would therefore expect no joy on the issue whatsoever from the LNP.”
That is doubly hypocritical considering he has had a fling with James Ashby.
“you must number every square in the HoR elections for it to be valid”
Actually, you can leave one square blank, as long as all of the other squares are marked correctly. The test of formality is whether the intention of the voter is clear.
Source: Australian Electoral Commission Scrutineers Handbook
I live and learn every day.
I love this mantra, I will decide who will become Prime Minister of your country and the circumstances in which Tony Abbott becomes Prime Minister, say’s American media tycoon Rupert Murdoch.
There’s another Crikey article a couple of weeks ago Col about someone who got jailed for two years during the Howard years for telling people how to (legitimately) screw up a ballot to stop preference flows to the two majors. For his troubles they changed the law and jailed him under some other obscure charge.
He has found another way of doing it and the AEC article that allows it is quoted.
I’ve searched Crikey and they’ve either taken it down or I haven’t looked in the right places yet.
And all the sheep on Bolt’s blog, jockey each other as they swoon and adore Rupert as the media guru.
I remember reading that too Mö – can’t find it anywhere atm though…
Still confused. It appears one should play safe. Put the one above the line, as well as each number below. Especially with 110 names on that bit of paper.
It helps to have your vote worked out before you go too Fu. I printed out a blank paper & spent a hour or so working out my order, but there are online sites to help you with the task…
https://www.clueyvoter.com/
http://www.belowtheline.org.au/
(from Antony Green’s blog site)
Bacchus, with my eyes, I think it is going to be above the line. Good luck to those who try.
The Senate. I believe is going to throw up some funny results.
Fear that many will be unknown, and from the fundamental right. Scary
The two major parties want above the line voting, it greatly favours them. Many of the odd small parties below the line are setup by the major parties with the idea of making the vote so cumbersome that most only vote above the line. Also if they are selected they can mean a small preference gain for them.
Possum had four suggestions to improve this situation as it’s only going to get worse each election but of course the two major parties will never bring in anything that takes away their dominance.
Thanks for the voting links, very handy.
latest poem posted “Said the Abbott to the Bishop. Take 3.” 😀
http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/08/31/said-the-abbott-to-the-bishop-take-3/
Cheers 😀
Fed Up: We only have an either/or choice. That is Tick the Box on the top OR individually tick each box below the line. To do as you suggest will result in a donkey vote, or an illegible vote.
I have the ballot papers in front of me as I am going to have a Postal Vote. Please note that it states.
SENATE POSTAL BALLOT PAPER 2016
YOU MAY VOTE IN TWO WAYS
ABOVE THE LINE: By placing the single figure 1 in one AND ONLY ONE of these squares to indicate the voting ticket you wish to adopt as your vote
OR
BELOW THE LINE: By placing the numbers 1 to 97 in the order of your preference.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES VOTING
NUMBER THE BOXES FROM 1 TO 7 IN THE ORDER OF YOUR CHOICE
REMEMBER…..NUMBER EVERY BOX TO MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT.
AUSTRALIAN ELECTORAL COMMISSION.
Hi cassilva48,
( http://tinyurl.com/lu7robw )
( http://www.aec.gov.au/about_aec/Publications/electoral_pocketbook/2011/files/2011-electoral-pocketbook.pdf )
So putting a 1 above the line AND filling out all boxes below the line is insurance against your below the line vote being informal due to errors. If your below the line vote is a formal vote, that’s what counts. If it is deemed to be informal, your above the line selection is used…
I suspect the one above the line will not be taken into account, if the one below is incorrect. Needs to be cleared up. The wording does not appear to say, if one is wrong the other will be taken into account.
It’s implied in the wording Fu…
“if the elector completes both sections formally, the below-the-line section takes precedence.”
That implies that if the below the line is informal, but the above the line is formal, the above the line will be counted…
Don’t trust my analysis? 🙂
How about Antony Green?
http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2013/08/voting-below-the-line-in-the-senate.html
Abbott only mentioned “carbon tax’ 41 times. It did seem to be many more times. That was in the first 15 minutes of his speech. Just put the counter prove the transcripts.
Morrison now on with Lyndal Curtis, saying the buy back does not work, the way he says. Morrison getting more bizarre.
We have had Abbott today, saying he will not be lobbing up to Indonesia, as he needs to wait until invited,
He has followed up, with he will not be buying drones. I though these were essential for their plan.
Morrison, is now saying, he has had discussions while in Opposition. Abbott, said, that one cannot make decisions with the defence or other countries, while in Opposition. Which man is telling the truth.
Nothing about Burke’s concerns, that Morrison is sending a message to the boat smugglers, that TPV will be available from next week.
Burke wants Morrison, to withdraw that statement, and tell the boat smugglers, that none will end up in Australia.
That there will be no visa, of any kind available.
I seen what Antony Green said. Also seen conflicting advice. I think I will play it safe, a just put 1 above the line.
Not trying to be argumentative. Too many other important matter to address.
NO BACCHUS, YOU ARE INCORRECT. THE OPTION IS EITHER/OR ON THE BALLOT PAPER, NOT BOTH! THIS WON’T BE REGARDED AS AN INFORMAL VOTE BUT AN INVALID VOTE, AS YOU CANNOT VOTE FOR ONE PARTY ABOVE THE LINE AND THEN VOTE FOR OTHER PARTIES BELOW THE LINE.
OK cassilva48 – I’m wrong, Antony Green is wrong, the AEC publication, “Electoral Pocketbook May 2011” is wrong, and the Key Issues paper from the parliamentary inquiry into Bob Brown’s proposed amendments to the electoral act also have it wrong.
Whatever you reckon 🙄
Give up Bacchus. There are none so blind as those who will not see. BTW, I did a pre-poll and discussed with the head honcho who confirmed the advice. But what would he know. Shakes head …
And there’s little point in attempting to correct this nonsense.
Personally I blame the (private) education system.
Totally agree with what you say here Michael. I have a cousin who lives in WA who is a card holding Liberal, I often get into debates with him on Facebook, and it is like having a discussion with a brick wall ! Well actually I should retract that, some of the brick walls around Melbourne have a lot of good stuff to say!!! When you present facts, undeniable facts, it’s ” Oh that was some lefty expert, so thats not credible” even when some of the experts are dyed in the wool conservatives who are also afraid of what Abbott will do if he gets in. This is thing I don’t get about these opinion polls, even former colleagues and former leaders of his own party are speaking out against him, but the moronic masses seem to be eating his shit.
andylj, I’ve been dealing with them here on the blog for three years. That’s three years of banging my head against the wall.
Sometimes I think I’d have a more intelligent conversation with an ape than most of these right-wingers. At least the ape might have an IQ above 15.
We have the chairman of Fairfax on Lateline.
Interesting interview. Wants restraints put on the ABC. Alleging unfair competition.
Is he softening up the ABC for Abbott to take action.
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