Election September 7

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It being a beautiful day here in Canberra I thought to spend time in the garden taking note of the tiny shoots which indicated that Spring was a promise which wasn’t too far away.  Coming in for a break, I read with some matter-of-fact-ness the announcement that Kevin Rudd will visit the Governor General either tomorrow or Monday to seek approval for an election to be held on September 7th.

Fairfax media admits that they are relying on “sources” for this information however, I am currently opting for the opinion that this will be the date.  This is speaking solely from a strategic point of view due to a number of factors:

The case for sooner rather than later:

Kevin Rudd is the preferred Prime Minister – many do not perceive the failings of his previous Prime Ministership but note his media presence which is almost always positive.  It is not often that Rudd criticises overtly, but when he does makes certain that it is duly noted by the use of comments such as, It is with some reluctance that I….

Tony Abbott on the other hand comes over as throwing a bunch of rotting cabbage into a vat of swill, no style and no class and appears brutish by comparison.  Abbott’s vague attempts to appear balanced come over as insincere;  Abbott chafes at the bit to make the next dig mostly via sarcasm, using even the most inappropriate of venues as opportunities.  Weddings, funerals and his great auntie’s tea party.  Although he might baulk at the latter.

Kevin Rudd has knowledge of many portfolios whereas Abbott has not much knowledge of anything in particular resulting in numerous *brain farts*.

Kevin Rudd needed time to defuse issues where the balls had previously all been in Tony Abbott’ court, especially that of asylum seekers but also including that of the price on carbon and education reform.

The case for now:

Prime is the worsening situation with the economy.  Should Rudd delay in calling the election this can only be to Tony Abbott’s benefit due to Abbott’s ability to rouse the plebs via one of the biggest scare campaigns anyone is likely to see – perhaps the exception being John Howard’s “War on Terror”.  The shock jocks will take to the airwaves in droves.

Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey will not be providing solutions.  We will not see any well thought out plans for the future, we will see a scare campaign.  Calling an immediate election will provide this pair with as few opportunities as possible to initiate the campaign as all focus will be on the fact that the election has been called.

With an election called the likelihood of serious debate is maximised.

As news.com reports from Tony Abbott: We’ve been ready for a long time.  How ready, we are on the brink of finding out and I would suspect “ready” to coast into the Lodge on the back of shock jock commenters but ready with a vision for Australia’s future…?

125 comments on “Election September 7

  1. Did not notice many economic experts come out on the side of Hockey yesterday. In fact they seem to support the view, now is the time to take it easy, and forget about the deficit.

    Did not hear many condemn what Labor has or doing.

    Did hear a lot of rot from Hockey, though.

  2. Why are some desperate for early election. That reason alone, is good enough to wait.

    After all Rudd has that national emergency that Abbott identified, to deal with.

    The time for elections, is not in the centre of an national emergency. Of course if there is no emergency,, it might be OK to go ahead with the election. We have up to November. There are two or three serious reasons why one should wait. Of course, none are in Abbott’s interest.

    Suspect all the bad economical news might be out in the community. We should as the year goes on, see some effect from that lower dollar, which cannot be bad. The global economy is also showing signs of turning about.

    Yes, we might even find out what Abbott promise yesterday, when it came to Better Schools.

    All Abbott promises, carry caveats. Please pay attention to the “but”. Will will do, but… We will continue the funding, but change the way it is distributed. Yes, that is what he said. He did not say he supported Better Schools. What we need to know, is what he supports. I suspect the funding will go ahead, but in the form of vouchers, nothing like what Gonski recommended.

    We need to keep in mind, all the countries on the top of the education list, none support private education in any way. All put their faith in the public system. It is said, the private system detracts from the public.

    It is about whether one wants public hospitals and schools, or we hand it over to private enterprise. That is what the choice is about.

    We ignored all that Howard stood for in his early days, to our bad luck. Nothing that Howard did when he got control of both houses, was not said by him, during his life in politics.

    The same with Abbott. One does not listen to what he says now, unless you make comparisons with what he has said in the past. Doubly true for Pyne. As for Hockey, I have no idea what he believes in. One wonders whether he knows. We know what Turnbull does, but he is happy to dump all his beliefs, to keep in power.

    Listen closely to Tony, and be ready for the “but”

  3. Unusual to see a bank CEO make sense on government debt:

    Australia has a debt problem – we don’t have enough, says National Australia Bank’s chief executive.

    Australia had a “unique window” as a triple-A rated country to issue more debt to fund desperately needed infrastructure, Cameron Clyne said today.

    There was a “very legitimate debate to be had” about how to use Australian government debt to fund investment in infrastructure, he said.

    “If we continue to have the debate that suggests that all debt is bad, and not a debate on the productive use of debt, we will simply not be able to fund the degree of infrastructure this economy needs to thrive into the future,” Mr Clyne said.

    “Most investors around the world are up to their eyeballs in northern hemisphere government paper. [But] we have a unique window, as a triple-A nation with strong demand for triple-A debt, to issue that debt and divert it to productive infrastructure.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/more-debt-needed-for-investments-nab-chief-20130801-2r1k6.html

  4. Bacchus, interesting points. Just a bit of speculation, but I wonder why Australians became so risk adverse? Is it the nations around them or the fact that we are so inundated with personal debt/minimal assets that the slightest hiccup would send us *as in people* into a quite desperate situation.

    I blame this on the Howard years, the greedy years when everyone believed that abundance would never end. I believe that under Labor we’ve been able to maintain a holding pattern to avoid the worst of it. Abbott has no solution other than to cut to the bone that which is already verging on skeletal.

  5. Yep, I think that analysis is spot on Min 🙂

    Howard’s “aspirationals” borrowing against the ever increasing value of their real estate to acquire bigger and/or more assets using more and more debt. Fine until the inevitable end of boom time comes. Excrement, meet fan 😦

  6. Every [foreign] person that’s been coming here in recent weeks, and I see another one reported today, is sort of saying what a fantastic economy,” he said.

    “But we have this mood of economic gloom. I talk to business and say hang on, Spanish unemployment is 50 per cent, [but] Spanish business confidence is higher than Australia. Staggering statistic

    Some of the voters are just badly informed. We are served poorly by the MSM.

  7. Not sure about the 7th Min. I have a nagging feeling that KRudd will leave TA hanging in the breeze a while. Maybe late Sept or early Oct. After all, this election is Abbott’s to lose really. Parliament may even sit again so the ALP can flesh out some LNP policy including calling their Gonski hand and passing the Better Schools legislation.

    Also this is an interesting read…
    http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2013/08/03/going-going-2/

  8. What the Labor Party needs to do, is to itemise and publish the billions of dollars that was spent on the badly and urgently needed upgrading and the building of new infrastructure around the country over the past six years, then compare it to the eleven and a half years of total neglect under the Liberal/National Party.

  9. Vfmarky, there was some speculation coming from Queenland that it was going to be the 14th. I think that with negative headlines looming that Rudd will now go a little sooner.

  10. I agree vfmarky. If I was calling the Election it would be early October, and have the two weeks sitting this month. The Labor Party then can ask questions regarding Abbotts CHARITY RIDES which he claimed for also his BOOK LAUNCH which he claimed for. I think the whole total could have been in the viicinity of s0mething like $10,000.00 all up. As for trying to flush out their {Policies, we have to be dreaming as they don’t have any. CROWEY you have also hit the nail on the head. Abbott is running around the Country like a blue arsed fly promising to fix things that they should have fixed when last in power, and now the Labor government is going to do it, Abbott and his cronies are out there trying to tell the people what they are going to do regarding infrastructure viz: the Bruce Highway.

  11. Crowey, absolutely…Abbott has wasted his term as LOTO attacking a woman and a woman who has chosen (I suspect) to make herself no longer the issue. The things which should be emphasised IMO is no vision, a return to the do-nothing Howard years with same backward looking team that Howard once described as his B Team..but definitely not his A Team. Remembering that JWH had no respect for Abbott at all but found him useful as his attack dog. Useful in opposition, but as a leader??

  12. @fedup, you are right, those who want power, those who will do everything to be in power dont deserve to be in a position of power, very scary indeed. I mean we are all human, and of course its a thing to boast, that you were once the leader of australia, but theres that then theres TA!

    As for the economy, i just cant get my head around it, someones gotta be lieing: group a – Treasury, treasurer’s, PM, economists, bank ceo’s OR
    group b – Abbott and costello…. errr i mean Abbott and Hockey…
    Which one are you going to believe?

  13. “With an election called the likelihood of serious debate is maximised.”
    This, I have serious reservations about. Serious debate is for government, an Election is about Politics. We have seen TA running a three year plus election campaign. The spin, lies and targeting of personalities point to a lack of policy. True serious debate is dependent on facts, research and consultation. The MSM, opposition and government have been guilty of an inaccurate communication of policy goals and strategies, leaving the electorate disempowered in the quality of deciding voting intentions. Instead of being decided on policy this election will be decided on the loudest voice. Loud voices that yell authority rather than integrity..

  14. Have not seen much serious debate in the parliament in the last three years. Why would one expect to see it now. It is up to the Opposition leader to take his place in the house, and bring on that debate. Unless it is looking after their mining mates, one does not see much. Abbott is more interested in his daily stunt, at the end of question time. Very few serious questions asked, either.

    No, if the house does resit, it could be Abbott that has more to lose. Might not want a party room gathering as well.

  15. http://media.theage.com.au/news/national-times/abbotts-education-uturn-4623842.html

    The Federal Coalition has moved to derail agreements with hold-out states on school funding by pledging to match Labor’s offer “dollar for dollar” without forcing them to contribute money or cede control over their schools.

    Victoria was understood to be on the brink of signing up to the reforms, but Opposition leader Tony Abbott’s surprise policy backflip has removed the incentive.

    “We are … pleased with Mr Abbott’s commitment of additional education funding that is not conditional upon legislation that threatens Victorian school autonomy,” said Premier Denis Napthine.

    “We urge the Rudd Labor Government to follow suit so that we can achieve positive reform for Victoria’s education system.”

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    Queensland, Western Australia and Northern Territory, who have resisted signing up to date, also welcomed the Coalition’s commitment for extra funding “without the strings attached”.

    “This eliminates our concerns around extra reporting requirements for Queensland teachers and principals and ensures our schools won’t drown in red tape,” said Queensland Education Minister John-Paul Langbroek.

    Despite previously vowing to scrap the school funding reforms unless there was national agreement, Mr Abbott pledged on Friday to match the extra $2.9 billion in funding committed by Labor over the next four years in a bid to neutralise education as an election issue.

    However significantly, the extra Commonwealth money would flow to all states under an Abbott government regardless of whether they signed up to the Better Schools plan, formerly known as Gonski.

    This means states and territories would not be required to contribute 35 per cent of the total increase in funding or commit to 3 per cent annual indexation.

    The Coalition would also amend the Australian Education Act to remove regulations it says would allow Canberra to control schools.

    “As far as school funding is concerned, Kevin Rudd and I are on a unity ticket,” Mr Abbott said.

    “There is no difference between Kevin Rudd and myself when it comes to school funding.”

    Instead, he said the difference between the two parties was the amount of federal control: “Under the Coalition, you’ll get the funding but you won’t get the strings attached”.

    However whereas the government has promised $9.8 billion over six years – with the majority to flow in the final two years – the Coalition has only committed to $2.9 billion over the first four years.

    “If Mr Abbott is serious about his ‘unity ticket’ with Kevin Rudd on Gonski, then the Coalition must commit a further $7 billion in Commonwealth funds to take the Gonski funding agreements out to 2019,” said Australian Education Union president Angelo Gavrielatos.

    He said the state and territory governments who have yet to sign onto Gonski had been let off the hook by Friday’s promise from the Coalition to provide Commonwealth funds whether or not they commit their share of the funds.

    The Coalition’s position on school funding has been confused and contradictory to date.

    Mr Abbott and opposition education spokesman Christopher Pyne were previously at odds over whether an Abbott government would accept the reforms only if all the jurisdictions signed up or the “overwhelming majority”.

    Education Minister Bill Shorten said he thought it was possible to reach a deal with Victoria at the weekend and the Coalition was not “100 per cent committed” to the funding reforms.

    “The Coalition’s policy has got far more politics than schools in it,” Mr Shorten said.

    He cited a letter that he said the Coalition sent to school principals last month stating “deep reservations” about the new funding model.

    Mr Shorten said the Coalition was panicked by progress the Commonwealth had made with Victoria on funding reform.

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    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/abbotts-school-funding-may-derail-deals-20130802-2r5ev.html#ixzz2asbtcBNR

  16. And Rudd trumps Abbott yet again.

    Here is Abbott through his lackeys Morrison and Bishop the younger blaring out a Nauru tent city as their answer to stopping irregular maritime arrivals, but Rudd right now with the President of Nauru has signed a cooperation treaty to build a permanent facility of increased capacity whilst helping Nauru with aid.

    Rudd has also announced that Malaysia is also looking at denying Iranian refugees visas.

    And Rudd has a dig at Abbott just before he hands over to O’Neil. The asylum seeker problem is difficult for any government and is not fixed by three word slogans.

    Form now until the election Labor needs to hammer the three word slogan meme at every opportunity to show Abbott and the opposition have no substance nor anything solid to offer Australia.

    Anyway Rudd has just pulled the rug out from under Abbott on Nauru and it makes Abbott’s press conference this morning, which was full of mother statements, three word slogans and nothing different to what he’s been saying for years now.

  17. “Form now until the election Labor needs to hammer the three word slogan meme at every opportunity to show Abbott and the opposition have no substance nor anything solid to offer Australia”

    And it was the Australian Labor Party and everybody who voted for Rudd in 2007 who caused this problem.

    On last months figures we are now taking 50,000 boat people /year while people in UNHCR camps cannot get in.

    You lot have destroyed the lives of so many people and you do not care.

    The ALP is a corrupt and immoral party elected by corrupt and immoral people.

  18. …………A push by a federal Coalition government to turn public schools into independent schools could impose a heavy burden on staff and parents and lead to a “two-tiered” government system, according to an alliance of parent groups in NSW.
    The presidents of six Parents and Citizens Association district councils have written a joint letter to federal Coalition MPs seeking urgent detail on one of their key education policies – to “encourage state schools to choose to become independent schools”.
    Opposition education spokesman Christopher Pyne has said he would like to see other states pursue a model similar to that in Western Australia, where the government has created a category called “independent public schools”.
    In WA, schools can apply to become an IPS, giving them autonomy over budgets and staffing and more discretion over the curriculum. They are managed partly by a school board, remain publicly funded and cannot charge compulsory fees.
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  19. Neil, the larger picture frames relevance.

    To quote Michael Gordon, I haven’t checked his figures:

    An estimated 7.6 million people were newly displaced, either across an international border or within their own country, during 2013 – the highest number in one year since 1999.

    Obviously, I suggest, people want to get out of the refugee camps, which otherwise they are left in limbo for years. So it does not follow that those boarding boats, often ill-advisedly, are not genuine refugees or asylum seekers, nor does they deserve to maligned or scapegoated, processes I regard as corrupt, as they are antithetical to human decency and democratic precepts.

    The underling failure is not addressing the cause of the human suffering of the refugees. We ignore the original causes of violence, and the means to reduce it, related to the exercise of political power. And in our reactions we add to their misery, with short-term pseudo-solutions based on electoral expediency. That, in my opinion, is both political myopia and profound political corruption.

    That said, I am not even sure, that the Liberal policy to “Stop the Boats” is designed to save lives. Expressed as “Turn back the boats”, it certainly isn’t. The venial corruption of Atkin, or his recent ALP emulators in NSW, now subject to prosecution, by comparison shrinks in significance.

  20. Naaaa,

    Kevin is waiting for Joe Hockey to tie the dog up – so he doesn’t eat the homework again!!!!!

  21. “Obviously, I suggest, people want to get out of the refugee camps, which otherwise they are left in limbo for years. So it does not follow that those boarding boats, often ill-advisedly, are not genuine refugees

    Listen mate, if they had $10,000 to pay a people smuggler they would not be in a refugee camp. Get it?? They would be renting or living an O.K. life in Indonesia.

    How much rice could you buy in Indonesia if you had $10,000??

    You people are fools.

  22. Cuppa

    Look at what Labor did to Queensland during a mining boom.

    And the corruption in NSW under Bob Carr.

    Labor ALWAYS hands the Liberals a trashed budget and a mess to clean up.

  23. What I cannot understand is why the corruption that has been found in NSW does not stick to Bob Carr. It looks like in Queensland some of Bjelke Petersons minsters were corrupt but Joh got the blame.

    Why is not Bob Carr held to account for what has gone on in NSW when he was Premier???

  24. Has there ever been another time when all of one party’s state governments were in deficit at the same time?

  25. Charming Neil. How could that be, people have money, but do not exercise the options, you suggest.? My principal source for understanding the refugee experience is the movie, Casablanca (/em). What is yours?

  26. All Liberal states are in deficit. The odds of all five of a party’s state governments being in deficit are 1 in 120. Liberal = Deficit.

  27. How could that be, people have money, but do not exercise the options, you suggest.?”

    Even if you are right they are taking the place of people in UNHCR camps. These are the people we used to take under Mr Howard. But now we are taking people with $10,000. That could pay rent for many years in Indonesia.

    The USA has 10-15 million Mexicans illegally living in the USA. These Mexicans have a choice. They can live in a Mexican slum or go across the border and clean toilets in California. So they cross the border and clean toilets in the USA.

    I most probably would do the same. But they are not refugees. They are economic immigrants.

  28. So a quick summary.

    1) All Liberal states are in deficit.
    2) The Liberals left the federal budget in structural deficit.
    3) The Liberals left the federal budget in $58 billion gross debt.
    4) The federal Liberals were the most wasteful government in Australia’s 200-year history, as per a recent report for the IMF.
    5) The Howard federal Liberals were the biggest-taxing government in Oz history.

  29. 6) The Howard government was the biggest in our history.
    7) The Howard government spent the least on infrastructure despite record revenue.
    8) The Howard government sent us into an illegal war on lies wasting more money.
    9) The Howard government spent 100’s of millions on offshore detention centres that according to right wingers we didn’t need.
    10) Howard as an ex-PM costs far more annually than all other ex-PMs combined.
    11) Abbott as LOTO is the mos expensive ever, costing more than the PM in most areas.
    12) The Howard government allowed social services to run down despite record revenue.
    13) The Howard government told eight times more lies than the Hawke/Keating governments.
    14) The Howard government stood down more of his ministers than previous governments.
    15) The Howard government broke more promises than previous governments.

    … and so many more.

  30. Thanks Mobius. 😀

    Economic Records of Howard / Costello

    * The biggest-taxing government in Australia’s history

    * The biggest trade deficit ever recorded

    * The longest run of successive monthly trade deficits ever recorded

    * Biggest foreign debt in Australia’s history (number 4 in the world in dollar terms)

    * Highest levels of household and business debt ever recorded

    * The lowest value of the AU$ (2001)

    * 94% of the mining boom tax windfall frittered away in just 2.5 years

    * Interest rates consistently above the OECD average

    * Highest inflation in 16 years

    * In mortgage rates, the highest interest component-to-average income level ever recorded

    * Housing affordability the lowest ever

    * Personal bankruptcies the highest in two decades

    * Government investment in Tertiary Education in reverse.

  31. The Howard Liberals – the most scandal-prone government Australia has ever had.

    ________________________
    Howard’s “Golden Years”

    [Adapted from a speech by Senator John Faulkner, 22 March 2006]

    We remember:

    * Minister Jim Short was forced to resign for failing to divest himself of financial interests in his area of ministerial responsibility.

    * Industry minister John Moore was exposed for his shareholdings in technology investment and share-trading companies.

    * Parliamentary secretary Brian Gibson lost his job because of a conflict of interest.

    * Small business minister Geoff Prosser was running three shopping centres while he was a Minister and he was forced to resign. (Geoff Prosser resigned in July 1997 following the disclosure that he was a shopping centre landlord while he was responsible for commercial tenancy provisions of the Trade Practices Act 1975).

    * Resources minister Warwick Parer had massive share interests in a coalmine and in other resource companies; he stayed, in breach of the Ministerial Code.

    * Acting Minister for Communications Peter McGauran forgot that he owned 70 poker machines.

    * Employment Services Minister Mal Brough promoted training courses which were actually Liberal Party fundraisers.

    * Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane was involved in a complex scam to rort GST rebates from Liberal Party fundraisers.

    * Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Herron kept up his practice as a surgeon, in breach of the code.

    Mr Howard himself was found to be in breach of his own code when he failed to resign as a director of the Menzies Research Centre.

    Mr Howard misled the Parliament over meetings he had held with ethanol producer Manildra’s boss – massive Liberal Party donor Dick Honan. It was eventually proved that the meetings did occur, and three weeks later the Government increased trade penalties against a Brazilian ethanol producer.

    And there’s more:

    * Parliamentary Secretary Warren Entsch’s concrete company won a massive Government contract in breach of the code.

    * Peter Reith was appointed as a consultant to defence contractor Tenix immediately after resigning as Defence Minister.

    * Health Minister Michael Wooldridge signed a $5 million building deal for the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners and days later, after resigning as Health Minister, was employed by the college as a consultant.

    * Senator Coonan, as Minister for Revenue, avoided paying a land tax. She was then exposed and forced to resign as a registered director of an insurance dispute resolution company operating from her own home.

    * Wilson Tuckey, then Minister for Regional Services, Territories and Local Government, heavied a state police minister on behalf of a family member.

    * Parliamentary secretary Bob Woods retired from politics when he was under police investigation for travel rorts.

    * Communication minister Richard Alston’s family trust held Telstra shares.

    * Peter Costello, the Treasurer, appointed Liberal Party megadonor Robert Gerard to the Reserve Bank board despite being told by Mr Gerard that he was involved in a 14-year long tax evasion dispute with the Australian Taxation Office.

    * Three ministers – John Sharp, David Jull and Peter McGauran – were forced to resign as a result of travel rorts involving false claims, mismanagement or cover-ups.

    * Parliamentary Secretary Bill Heffernan was forced to resign over fabricated claims against a High Court judge.

    What else have we had over the past 10 years? Ten years of public policy failure. A partial – very partial – list would include:

    * The massive pork-barrelling of the $1 billion Federation Fund program.

    * The scandal over the budget leak about MRI machines.

    * The development of a culture of assumption and denial in DIMIA while Mr Ruddock was minister for immigration, which the Comrie report called failed, catastrophic and dehumanised; the wrongful and scandalous deportation of Australian citizen Vivian Alvarez Solon.

    * The wrongful and scandalous detention of Cornelia Rau at Baxter detention centre.

    * The utter incompetence of Veterans’ Affairs Minister Dana Vale over roadworks at Anzac Cove.

    * The rorting of the $500 million Regional Partnerships program, with massively disproportionate grants being allocated to Coalition seats – not to mention the Tumbi Creek and Beaudesert Rail scandals under the same program.

    * Support for the training of scab labour in Dubai to work on the waterfront and the use of dogs and security guards in balaclavas during the waterfront dispute as waterside workers were sacked under the cover of darkness with the loss of all entitlements and, in some cases, personal possessions.

    Of course, the Prime Minister introduced the GST after promising he never, ever would.

    * The Howard Government have sponsored many attacks on the independence of the judiciary and the courts, including repeated slurs by Senator Heffernan in this chamber and in Senate Estimates.

    * They scrapped the free Commonwealth dental health scheme for low-income people.

    * They put back the cause of reconciliation irrevocably by refusing to say sorry to the Stolen Generations.

    * They blurred the line between church and state by the disastrous appointment of Archbishop Hollingworth as Governor-General of Australia.

    Within days of coming to office, the Howard government sacked six departmental secretaries and have since politicised the public service so that officials will never offer frank and fearless advice. In fact, the Government have encouraged a culture where advice of any kind from a public servant is not welcome.

    * They have increased Government staffing of Ministers and Parliamentary Secretaries from 293 when they came to office to 430 now, many paid above the salary range.

    * They cynically manipulated public sentiment about asylum seekers for political advantage.

    * They refused to sign the Kyoto protocol to deal with our greatest global environmental challenge – climate change.

    * They sponsored attacks from the former Communications Minister Richard Alston and from government backbenchers over alleged ABC bias while making partisan appointments to the ABC Board.

    * They introduced draconian industrial legislation to strip away the hard-won rights of Australian workers.

    * They introduced the flawed Pacific Solution, which has seen detention centres on Nauru and Manus Island remain open without any detainees.

    * They have allowed an Australian citizen, David Hicks, to be held overseas without charge or trial for more than four years and left him to face a highly flawed tribunal process without making any efforts to ensure he will have a fair trial.

    Then there was the dithering over preferences to One Nation, giving succour, as a result, to Pauline Hanson and tacit approval of her racist views.

    * There was the billion dollar bungling of major defence upgrade and acquisition projects. There was the massive blow-out of $2 billion in the Commonwealth’s Consultancies Bill.

    * There was the complete fiasco of the family tax benefit debt trap, which has slugged millions of Australian families with over $1.5 billion in debts.

    * There is the fiasco of child-care shortages and the broken promise of the Government on the child-care rebate.

    * We have had the Minister for Health and Aging, Tony Abbott, presiding over private health insurance premium hikes, which have totally absorbed the government rebate.

    * We have had the plunge in bulk-billing rates and the breaking of the Health Minister’s promise not to increase the Medicare safety net threshold.

    We really have seen 10 years of sleaze, deception and manipulation. We would be here all night if I had time to list every sorry exploit of the Howard Government, but I do not. A mere sample includes:

    * National Textiles, the company headed by the Prime Minister’s brother, Stan Howard, which was bailed out by the government to the tune of $4 million.

    * The infamous Peter Reith telecard affair.

    * The lies and deceit of ‘children overboard’.

    Then this nation was committed to war in Iraq on the basis of faulty intelligence about weapons of mass destruction while the Government claimed that they were not aiming for regime change in Iraq.

    But when the government’s claims about weapons of mass destruction proved false, of course regime change became the justification for the war in Iraq. Never before has an Australian government sent our troops to war and lied to the Australian people about the reason for doing so.

    We had Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty heavied for doing no more than stating the obvious about the increased terrorist threat in Australia after our involvement in Iraq.

    * We have had public servants and senior defence officers forced to take the blame over the Government’s denials about their knowledge of the abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison.

    * We have had an unprecedented amount of public money splurged in advertising campaigns – as the Auditor-General has reported – to promote Liberal Party policies in the lead-up to the last three federal elections when the Howard Government was in office.

    * We have even had the government write the name of the Federal Liberal Party into electoral legislation on 33 occasions to strip the Liberal state divisions of public funding. They even now use the Parliament for their own dirty factional work.

    Despite the farcical denials that we have heard about Senator Hill’s appointment, he is about to become the 18th former Liberal Party politician to be appointed by the Howard government to a plum diplomatic post.

    Mr Howard perverted the accepted definition of an election promise. He broke promises willy-nilly but just redefined those broken promises as ‘non-core’ promises.

    What about the Nixonian leaking of a classified document to Andrew Bolt in order to politically assassinate its author, Andrew Wilkie, while not vetoing the leaker from contesting a Liberal Party preselection ballot?

    We also had a situation where Mr Howard’s government engineered the sleaziest of deals with a former Labor senator, Mal Colston, to promote Colston to the Deputy Presidency of the Senate in return for Colston’s vote on crucial legislation. How low can you go? Just recently, we had the unprecedented gagging of public servants before estimates committees.

    Kickbacks to Saddam.

    Mr Howard himself, his senior minister, and his entire government have turned a blind eye to kickbacks paid to Saddam Hussein’s regime to ensure wheat sales. At the same time, we had Mr Howard self-righteously proclaiming that Saddam Hussein is a ‘loathsome dictator’. They turned a blind eye to our single-desk wheat exporter, who practically became the banker of the Baath Party in Iraq. Who knows where that money ended up? Who knows what it paid for?

    What we do know is that, under the Government’s own terrorist legislation, if someone acts recklessly and funds turn up in the hands of terrorists, the guilty party is subject to life imprisonment. You go to jail and they throw away the keys if you recklessly engage in an action under our terrorism laws where financial resources end up in the hands of a terrorist. Let us see what happens in relation to the Howard government, which has acted as Saddam Hussein’s banker.

    Of course, all these sins mean nothing to the Howard government. After all, how can they repent what they cannot recall? This Government, and its hand-picked sycophants, suffers from the worst case of collective amnesia in medical and political history.

    What are the bywords of the Howard government? ‘I cannot recall,’ ‘I don’t recollect,’ ‘I wasn’t informed,’ ‘I can’t remember,’ ‘I have no recollection of that.’

    Best of all, we had Trevor Flugge of AWB fame claiming, as his defence, that he is hard of hearing. It seems to me the whole of this government is hard of hearing. They are certainly deaf to the cries of conscience.

  32. Yes and Labor is destroying Australia and Cuppa and Adrian of Nowra do not care.

    They only tell lies.

    And refugees in UNHCR camps are now stuck in camps because of your vote in 2007.

    You people only exist to destroy the lives of other human beings.

  33. Kneel of Sydney resorting, as they always do, to Right-Wing Projection.

    Right Wing Projection: The political tactic where right wingers use descriptions pertaining to their own motives to describe others.

  34. The list of Howard infamy is long and disgraceful that’s for certain and all the worse that he fell into the longest ever sustained period of economic growth in global history, and blew it.

  35. Neil, if a refugee in Indonesia, I suspect that once the visa expires, you lie low, without drawing attention to yourself, and you are looking to get out by any means possible. The fact a person has sought refuge in a country that does not recognize refugees does not of itself make them not a refugee.

    Savitri Taylor in The Conversation, reported on her research as to Asylum Seekers In Indonesia: Why Do They Get On Boats?.

    As for the US/Mexico border, I can reference popular culture. Joan Baez sings the Woody Guthrie song of a 1948 plane crash. During War II there was demand for labour in the US.

  36. Why would the Liberals propose building a tent city for refugees on Nauru if they intended to “Stop the boats”?

    Because they know the slogan is a lie.

    Another lie from the Liars Party.

  37. ” The fact a person has sought refuge in a country that does not recognize refugees does not of itself make them not a refugee.”

    O.K. i had a quick look at your link but based on last months boat people numbers we are getting 50,000 boat people/year.

    Under Mr Howard we used to take the most desperate. Under Mr Rudd we take people with the most money.

    That is what you voted for.

  38. When the Liberals were last in office during a severe global downturn they presided over:

    Double-digit Unemployment
    Double-digit Interest Rates
    and Double-digit Inflation

    … all at the same time!

    The only time that all three indicators have gone into double digits simultaneously. The ‘Trifecta of Misery’.

    Debt and deficit that grew year after year.

    And Australia’s worst recession since the Great Depression.

    The Liberal treasurer at the time – John Howard.

  39. Yes Cuppa divert the issue.

    People in UNHCR camps can no longer get into Australia.

    But people with $10,000 can.

    Make sense.

    Corrupt and immoral people support corrupt immoral policies.

  40. Two Labor treasurers have been awarded ‘world’s best’ (Paul Keating and Wayne Swan).

    No Liberal treasurer has been awarded.

  41. Neil. I believe we are still going to take 20, 000, maybe even 27,000. Unlike the Opposition whO are planning to cut the number back TO 13,000.

  42. FU

    Based on last months figures we are getting 50,000 boat people/year because you voted for Rudd in 2007.

    People in camps are totally doomed because you voted for Rudd in 2007.

  43. Yes, Neil, you are right. The problem is the moral and practical response to refugees. The more you take the more you get. Because there is apparently a problem with settlement within Australian society. We then collectively are that problem.

    We then engage in programs of deterrence, inevitably involving cruelty, as a practical solution with a bipartisan contest to be the most effective controlling the flow of refugees and asylum seekers. The Tampa case was, and remains, morally disgraceful, and something for which John Howard is in principle responsible.

    If anything, the ALP has been more politically compromised by the morality of the situation, reflecting the electoral reality and the terms of the political game. As far as the House of Reps is concerned it is a two-party system, so voters might be left with judgement about the less worst, which by definition is not a moral judgement.

    We require real political leaders, who would see our moral good as in the national interest. And we don’t have them. Currently, the responsibility has fallen to Mr Abbott as much as Mr Rudd.

  44. WMMBB

    What the hell is your point??

    There are 20-40 million refugees who want to come here. And there are also 1-2 billion economic refugees who want to come here.

  45. Neil, refer to my comment at 6..39 PM. I am trying to cover the contingencies.

    We disagree on much, but I think we can agree that this an international problem. To be specific: Why did refugees flee Afghanistan and Iraq? What is the full historical context? Many of our forebears were economic refugees, or people acting on economic incentives and taking the opportunity, so it is not for us to scapegoat others for having similar motivations. Generally, people do not move en masse unless there are conditions in their “homeland” of economic limitations, persecution or war.

    I think – and I have never seen anyone who agrees with me – if these factors could be changed then the problem becomes more manageable. And I think the effects of climate change will make this effort impossible. Furthermore, military approaches are in the long term a cause for anxiety, because they become brittle, violent, and unjust.

    When they inevitably fail, government is transformed to repeat the failure on a larger scale before collapsing. An outcome making the Libertarians and Marxists happy – at least for a day, or a week at most.

    This issue, among many, illustrates the judgement we need to make about those seek to be prime minster, to be our national political leader. Do they have the vision and strategy for the common welfare, or are they solely engaged short-term thinking and tactics to get elected? There respective position on the question of refugees, is, I think, the measure of them.

  46. Wmmb,

    As admirable as your attempt is to engage Neil in reasonable debate, it is a futile exercise. He is a Liberal ideologue and robot. Facts, truth and reason brush off these types like water off a duck’s back. They’re not interested in any of that. They’re here with one agenda only: to push Liberal propaganda while seeking to antagonise and disrupt congenial, inquiring discourse among the patrons of the Cafe. Ignore or mock the stooges, I say.

  47. I see that Rudd’s people leaked the possibility of an election for Rudd to come out and deny it. He thinks he is real coy but by playing these games with the electorate, will result in bleeding votes.

    The later Rudd goes, the better.

  48. Such is the hypocrisy of the Murdoch media..headline from The Australian:

    The $250bn cost of Kevin Rudd: a tale of waste and spending

    Yet The Australian awarded Kevin Rudd their Australian of the Year for his handling of the GFC.

  49. Cuppa, I am always happy to discuss Neil’s views. There are several reasons. For example, if we understand political discussion as primarily an adversarial process, it become a fight, and we lose sight of its purpose.

  50. wmmbb, after you have seen all his views, continually recycled over three years, without a change in wording or answers, will you be so keen.

    It is a fool’s errand that you are on.

  51. Neil, we now have three, ans still have them. Does it not mean anything to you. Could it mean, that Labor is managing the economy as well as can be expected.

    If not, what in the hell does having AAA from, all the rating agencies mean.

    Does it mean that Labor is failing? I think not.

    Whatever it means Neil, you cannot ignore them, as they are a fact.

  52. Nos is a believer in ‘the people’ serve the economy… not the other way around…. 🙄
    Nos, further believes that… LNP=AAAx1=GOOD,…where as, ALP=AAAx3=BAD……Nos is like that..not because he’s biased…. NO, NO, NO….. and not because he’s an idiot… NO, NO, NO…… the real reason is because he’s a [comment self deleted], it’s his job, or so it would seem,…what a loser(he reminds me of Howard{what a loser})….. imho, I think Nos is quite smart…. just not very bright …. and dosen’t it show….. 🙄
    One must feel sorry for ‘the’ Neils’… no, really…… their Howard supporters, 🙄 .. the poor buggers havn’t been in touch with reallity for years….. sad really 😦
    … just say’n 😉

  53. Aside from all the socialist drivel spewing forth around here, the ex alp frontbenchers who refused to work with the pest have so far refrained from stooping to his level by leaking to the press, like he did to the old alp bike Gillard….SO FAR!

  54. Facts are not socialist drivel…. there facts…. If you want drivel, listen to yourself or any other RW loony… 😛

  55. Lovo lovo lovo…what misguided judgement do you rely upon to adore somebody like Kevin Rudd? Here is a fact. The ALP hate Rudd. He doesn’t belong. Dispute that Lovey.

  56. Summo, it has nothing to do with whether one likes Rudd or not. He is the leader caucus has put in place, That makes him legitimate.

    It is mostly about not wanting Abbott.

    one could not possily have any love for Abbott.

  57. Fed up. So you blindly follow? That correct isn’t it. Toe the ALP line, just like you tow the union line…or get bashed! Socialist indoctrination simply won’t allow you to form opinions outside the doctrine. How about you give us an honest opinion FU? Do you like Rudd?

  58. Min. I said weeks ago straight after he gave Gillard the punt. He had to go to the polls that afternoon to have any chance of a successful election result. Min. Rudd is a weird sucker, is a proven disastrous manager of the economy and our tax dollars. The punters quickly remember his attempt at being PM last time. min he even screwed up his acceptance speech on election night. He had to pontificate to excess and lost the crown you should not be able to lose. $400 Billion debt and 45,000 illegals, most of his cabinet gone (some would uncharitably say this is a good thing) and the nongs like Conroy and Wong still around.
    I wonder where the scandals will head during the campaign. Gillard/AWU/SLATER, Slipper, Craig Thompson. Everyone has consistently underestimated Abbott. Don’t you seriously believe Abbott has more ammunition than he could possibly use over the next month?
    They will be writing about the Labor Class of 2007-2013 for a long time. How not to Govern. That will be the new Eco Pol department at Monash……. Setup exclusively to try to unravel Labor’s government. As I said to Ash earlier They are Clueless.

  59. Love Lyndall Curtis, just asked Mirabella what their care policy was. Lyndall said she looked though that little blue book Abbott clutches to his chest. Lyndall said she could not find anything there.

  60. Tweed,the trouble with those so called scandals, they are stale, and most just do not listen anymore.

    I believe that the Telegraph might have over cooked it, this morning.

    By the way, that student that Abbott accused of lying, proved her point in court today

  61. “Oh and if so. Why? If Not why?”

    Why would anyone love a politician?

    Is not it better to keep emotions out of the equation. Do you love your banker or local doctor?

  62. No, I do not blindly follow. I supported the policies of Gillard, and as long as Rudd does not wander off track, will stick with him. Not perfect, but then, no government is.

    With Abbott, for the first time I can remember, I can find him offering anything that interested me. Nothing at all.

    Rudd would have to do something really bad, before I face the problem of aiming my vote elsewhere.

    There is more to any government than the PM. He is just one of many.

    It should not be about personalities.

  63. There are other scandals bubbling along too Fu – Ashby, that court action in Canberra by David Ettridge. Add to that the fact that no-one actually likes Tony Abbott – my life-long National Party voting country redneck rellies can’t stand Campbell Newman OR Tony Abbott.

    Eventually he’ll have to face Mr Rudd one on one in real debates – bye bye Mr Rabbit 😆

  64. Abbott seems upset that Rudd has not been out today. I am sure that Rudd is going to let Abbott control the agenda in anyway. Of course, there has been a party room meeting, that was set up last week. Maybe Rudd is letting his troops in what is happening.

  65. You are a liar! Your adulation of Gillard was sickening and who cares who you will vote for as you are a lefty freak and it is the swinging voters who will determine the next government.

  66. Interesting Fu – are you finding the insignificant little toadies that visit here sometimes are becoming noticeably more shrill lately? 😆

  67. noticeably more shrill lately

    I hadn’t been here in a bit, but I just logged in, and read scapers hissy above.

    Shrill sounds pretty apt for that 😉

  68. You like the word, but can you back up the sledge with any actual examples, or is just gonna be kept at the sledge stage of the ‘shrill’

  69. FU Rudd is already way off track. I mean lets face it, He tells us that he is sending 4,000 boat illegals to Nauru without consulting the President of this fine nation of 9,000 people. Rudd is sending 4,000 mostly muslims to an island nation of 9,000 and telling anyone who will listen that they will be settled there. The President of Nauru says “Bullshit”, you never consulted me about this Kevin! We can’t facilitate 9,000 let alone feed another 4,000, We don’t grow food or have any industry.” You can drop them here briefly, but find somewhere else to settle them. Typical Rudd policy. Full of diarrhea…fast moving shit! Seriously, if he is the best alp have, you’re rooted.

  70. Watching Rudd, Ellis and Shorten talking about child care, and schools. Thankfully, they have dropped all standing close, all in the picture. If not that, standing sideways, as Abbott’s camp does, glaring at the speaker with a funny look on his face.

    The three have taken turns in speaking, but only one is seen, at any one time.. Works better. Watching Hockey standing behind Abbott with a miserable look on his face was unsettling,

    Rudd and Co look more professional.

  71. The factless trolls are out and about, I see…… and as per.. short on facts, long on troll. 😛
    Scraps, Summo etc… I know your type… you lot think a school social is some kind of communist plot, when the FACT is that its just a dance 🙄 ….. and do make sure you look under your bed tonight…. there might be a red under it 😯 ….. it’s the 21st century and you lot are still screaming ” the communists are coming, the communists are coming”, *yawn* ….. and I dare not even think what thoughts you may have on the subject of Social Capital…. you sound like cavemen that are still doing the dog eat dog thingy…. come down outta the trees guys.. the worlds moved on… you knuckle draggers should too 😀

  72. Lovey. Your vitriol belittles you. One generally observes knuckles dragging along the ground at BLF & Together Union meetings and ALP pre-selections….you know, the ones where those in attendance can barely string 2 sentences together without using the word “fuck”. No doubt you’d be right among them with your command of English Lovey.

  73. Tony Abbott makes his day one pitch in Brisbane: axe the tax
    Positive plans from the Coalition. Division and dysfunction from Labor.

    That’s Tony Abbott’s opening sortie to voters today. (Fortunately he’s ditched the high vis vest.)

    Abbott:

    When we say we’ll get rid of the carbon tax, I am absolutely fair dinkum.

    He says getting rid of the clean energy package is an essential part of his plans to boost the economy. Abbott says getting rid of the tax will improve the performance of companies like the meat works he’s visiting today.

    Abbott says he has today written to the head of the department of prime minister and cabinet to make it plain that the first act of an Abbott government will be carbon tax repeal.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/04/election-campaign-cars-carbon-tax

  74. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-rubbery-figures-keep-coming/story-fn7078da-1226691046987

    “From last year’s mid-year update to this year’s budget, the expected budget bottom line deteriorated by $693 million each week; from then to now, the deterioration galloped to over $1 billion weekly. Sure, we still have a AAA-credit rating; but so had France, Italy, Ireland and Spain until their economies collapsed. And were debt accumulation to continue at the current rate, we would probably lose it by the end of next year.

    See what you leftoids have done?? We are in great danger of losing our AAA which we did under Hawke/Keating and this will means the Govt and business will have to pay a higher interest rate for borrowed money. We already have high interest rates compared to what other people are borrowing. This is why people like to invest in our govt bonds. Much better rate than you can get elsewhere.

    But i guess you people don’t care. We are sovereign in our own currency and we can just print the money we need to pay off the interest or some BS like that.

  75. The part of the story, Abbott conveniently forgot.

    “….OUTSPOKEN carbon tax critic John Berry has welcomed $4.4 million in federal government funding to help the multinational company he represents slash greenhouse gas emissions.
    The government money allocated to the Dinmore abattoir near Brisbane – belonging to global meat giant JBS – is the largest yet handed to an abattoir under the Gillard government’s Clean Technology Food and Foundries Investment Program.

    The funding follows last December’s massive allocation of more than $6 million in government funds to South East Queensland rendering plant AJ Bush & Sons.

    Last February the government initially proposed contributing $1 for every $3 invested by industry, a ratio that was reviewed in July to provide matched government funding dollar-for-dollar after fierce behind-the-scenes lobbying by the Australian Meat Processors Council..”

    http://www.theland.com.au/…/2645270.aspx
    Catching up

  76. 12.08pm AEST Questions to Abbott
    Abbott is getting a rough reception from his travelling reporters.

    First question from the reporters concerns a fact about the company Abbott is visiting today. A reporter points out that this meatworks was recently the recipient of a $4.4m government grant. The company appears to be doing quite well, not going under with the weight of a carbon price.

    Abbott fixes the smile and stands firm.

    He says the carbon tax is an impost on the plant. Better to remove the impost than compensate the plant.

    We’ve got to get rid of unnecessary imposts. This plant is massively impacted by the carbon tax.

    The reporters ain’t buying it. One points out that Abbott is using a much higher figure about the impact of the carbon price on the firm than the firm itself is using.

    Abbott repeats what he’s said about imposts.

    He’s asked will he support more funding for the car industry.

    Abbott says the best thing Labor can do for the car industry is get rid of the FBT im.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/04/election-campaign-cars-carbon-tax

  77. We are reminded that Rudd promised over two hundred childcare centres, to be set up in school grounds.

    Can anyone remember what happened to that promise. Remember the ABC Childcare fiasco, that result from Howard’s funding if the system. Yes, Labor had to sort out that mess, which meant that the election promises were abandoned. Yes, many of the ABC centres replaced what Labor gad promised to build. The Opposition has poor memory on many things, Seem to be able to recall half of most stories,..

  78. The ABC centres as in that which went bust, one of the prime movers being Larry Anthony son of Doug, defeated by Justine Elliot former police officer. Rudd’s vision was that childcare, trade training..a complete community be based around that so very important thing..schools. It’s still a goal worth aiming for IMO and certainly far more valid than Abbott’s idea of throwing millions at, as he called it “superior women” (ie wealthy millionaire moms) for his parental leave scheme.

  79. OMG, loosing one of our AAA ratings achieved by Labor. 😯 The next thing you know a lamb roast will cost $25.00..oh wait it already does…

  80. “OMG, loosing one of our AAA ratings achieved by Labor

    Labor did not get us a AAA. We got that way back in 2003. From early 2003 business and govt was able to borrow at the lowest interest rate thanks to Costello. And it took 6 surplus budgets to get AAA back. But we are in danger of being downgraded again thanks to Labors reckless spending.

    Business does better with a AAA and can employ more people. We will lose it again if Labor is re-elected. In fact we may lose it anyway.

  81. Yes Min, that one that led to Rudd abandoning Labor policy at the time. Abbott is making me sick, with his address at Lidcombe I think. A Muslim do.

  82. Neil, you do know the budget deficit is much less than 2% of the budget, Yes, Neil, not even 2%.

    Wish Abbott would cease dedicating himself to us. That sounds like a religion; Also not dinki di.

  83. What a doofus, what a moron, what a dickhead, and there are actually supporters, go figure.

    Abbott asked why he won’t debate Rudd responded by saying reporters asked him questions about Rudd, he answered them, and that’s debating Rudd.

  84. Does one get the impression that Abbott has just taken out the 2010 campaign, dusted it off and continuing with it now. Does not appear to be anything new this time.

    Well,at least, he is being asked questions, and challenged.

  85. and that’s debating

    that’s debatable ME 😉

    So, in our new media controlled barracker world, debates are held directly through the media now, so that any of tabots other stuff ups can be edited out.

    And of course, our biased as all hell media will just lap this up. Luckily, I don’t know too many people who like being taken for chumps, and this is an all too obvious case of treating the electorate just like that.

  86. Summo, ” Lovey. Your vitriol belittles you. One generally observes knuckles dragging along the ground at BLF & Together Union meetings and ALP pre-selections….you know, the ones where those in attendance can barely string 2 sentences together without using the word “fuck”. No doubt you’d be right among them with your command of English Lovey.” …. I’m from the ‘hill’ cobba, unionism is in my DNA…. also, just so you know 🙄 ..social justice is in my DNA also as well as, ay… as for the d’oh english slant.. I’s a ain’ts k-no rhodes scholaristismist, but hey, bloke.. this ain’t’s k-no english Lit. blog, ay… but., hey.. think yourself more bettererest if’n you’se wants….. blokes like moi, knows it ain’t so, maaaate….. and as for the lovey jibe… 😆 … LOVO is my nick-name… and its an aussie-fied version of my real surname…. and yes, I’ve heard them all before 😛 …and, also, just so you k-now, your jibe against unions and string’n two sentences..etc.. without say’n farkQ, says more about you as an human being than is does about me…. but I guess, you, as an LNPee’er, hatred of your fellow Aussie’s is in your DNA….. good onya bloke, ya must be sooo proud….and just so ewe k-now (baa).. your tiny put-down shows the readers here what LNPee’ers are really like….. thats right folks, thier special, just ask ’em, they’ll tell ya…. nyaa 😛

  87. I live the example Abbot used today, to justify fretting rid of the CEF legalization. The reality is, the company is a perfect example that the system is working., Yes, the company has lowered it’s power usage by thirty percent. Yes, and will continue to save that amount every year, far into the future, regardless whether Abbott gets rid of the tax or not.

    One wonders what to think of Abbott, writing to the Department, on the first day of campaigning, to prepare legislation to rescind the legislation, that put a cost on carbon emission. Does one usually wait until elected, before giving orders.

    Does one really want to rescind the CEF, to transfer to Direct Action. NO one seems to answer that question.

  88. Funny how you lot like to cite the Morgan Poll above any other as the most accurate because it favours your blind bias, yet you dismiss the more accurate polls. Looks like a slow decline from here in for Rudd.

  89. aren’t you glad that Chad Wingard saved you from being banned here?

    You weren’t the one moving those goalposts around for them were you? 😉

    Mind you, in the big picture, the Crows did better than expected, and the team that should have one did. The Power are having a great year, and playing well, the Crows….well 😦

  90. An interesting seat to watch on election night will be Griffith. Dr Glasson has been lifting his public profile in that seat for the last two years and has been successful.

    Boy, Rudd better not stray too far from his seat or he might lose it. A fitting end to the white ant!

  91. Abbott in Dobell, still supporting the tax rorts. Introducing the Liberal candidate. A lady by the way, Labor rejected. Still no Labor canidate for this seat. Wonder why?

    Actually he is in Wyong.

    Abbott is promising work to the road to Sydney that has already been signed of

    So as usual, he began with a lie.
    f.

  92. Do they have to demonstrate the amount of private use. I thought the aim was to find out how much work used. The law has not changed, as far as FBT

    Once again being hard questioned. Does not seen tao happy.

    With Margie. Slogans now getting a hearing. Carbon tax will be gone.

    Who really believes the so called carbon tax should go. Who wants Direct Action.

  93. New one. Labor should not do deal with Greens if the voters deliver another close vote. In other words, they should reject the will of the voter.

    Questions re surplus. Angry questioning in fact.

    Another lie, re Thomson.

    Abbott not doing too good in MHO.

    Abbott is too near my home, I can nearly smell.

  94. And how is Rudd’s Devil’s Island solution shaping up? The PNG people not impressed and I believe there will be a vote of no confidence in their PM a couple of days after our election.

    Rudd said on the weekend that some boat people will be settled on Nauru which was a lie. No wonder his mind was changed on Sunday and a RAAF plane was ordered to pick him up and fly down to Canberra to meet the GG and call an election.

    Just like everything Rudd does, announce, move on and the previous falls apart from unforeseen consequences.

  95. Mind you, in the big picture, the Crows did better than expected, and the team that should have one did.

    Tom, I have to admit that I stormed out of the room sulking with ten minutes to go. Sat outside with a coffee and a cigar as consolation, but kept an eye on twitter. Dashed back inside after that ‘Shane Warne’ goal just in time to see young Chad kick his fifth.

    Yep, I was gutless (but I do remember muttering that I knew all along that they’d win 😳 )

    But the Crows were awesome and I tip my hat to them. On a patriotic note, if Port had have lost we had the likelihood of no SA team playing in the finals, which would have been disappointing. At least one team now has a strong chance of playing in September.

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