Don’t tell me this isn’t newsworthy!

From EXCLUSIVE: Abbott forced to repay $9,400 he charged taxpayers to promote his book by Margo Kingston:

The Opposition leader, Mr Abbott, was forced to repay taxpayers nearly $9,400 after receiving travel expenses to promote his book Battlelines in 2009.

The repayment occurred after Mr Abbott publicly denied the allegation through a spokesman, who stated:

“All travel undertaken by Mr Abbott has been within the entitlement. This is a blatant attempt by Labor to smear and mislead.”

Mr Glenn Milne raised the matter in an article in The Drum on 28 July, 2010 in which he calculated that Mr Abbott had ripped $6,651.96 off taxpayers for private expenses he incurred in promoting his book:

“At the very least these expenses are politically awkward. Was he also doing government business in the places where he promoted his book? Even if he was, is it appropriate to plug your book while you’re there when taxpayers are paying the travel bill? Remember the savage gusto with which the Opposition, Abbott included, went after Kevin Rudd and former defence minister Joel Fitzgibbon over claims they had not properly declared privately sponsored air fares to China.”

Documents obtained by No Fibs under Freedom of Information laws show that in response to the article, the Finance Department wrote to Mr Abbott on 19 August, 2010 under the Minchin Protocol – which allows MPs to repay false claims to avoid being referred to the AFP – requiring him to justify his Battlelines claims.

In reply, Mr Abbott’s chief of staff, Ms Credlin agreed to repay $6255.49 for flights “inadvertently booked for official travel rather than private”.

But on 10 January 2011 the Special Minister of State, Mr Gray, wrote to Mr Abbott confirming that he had failed to reimburse other claims for non-flight Battlelines expenses, including the use of Comcars, and had repaid another $3,141.93.

Mr Gray said that “given the repayments made I do not intend to take further action” but that Mr Abbott should not make such claims again and desist from requiring taxpayer-funded staff to work on his private business.

It appears that Mr Abbott has not corrected the public record.

The treatment of Mr Abbott is in stark contrast to that of Mr Slipper, who has been charged with wrongly claiming $900 in travel allowance in 2010. Mr Slipper offered to repay the $900 when the matter was raised last year, but was told by the Finance Department that the Minchin Protocol did not apply because the matter had been directly referred to police by a person who remains a mystery.

I urge everyone to read Margo’s full article and after doing so will probably ask the same question as I have: “Why is this being ignored by the mainstream media?” It has gone viral throughout social media but it just isn’t newsworthy elsewhere, apparently. There can only be one reason it is being avoided: it could be damning to their golden boy, Tony Abbott. It is also damning to our mainstream media given their frenzy over Peter Slipper’s $900 indiscretion.

Our mainstream media are really pathetic.

Justice

184 comments on “Don’t tell me this isn’t newsworthy!

  1. We still have the Charity one to come. I believe we have not gone back in time, as they did for Slipper.

  2. It is frightening to think that this grubby greedy devious bastard could one day become our Prime Minister. You have to wonder just how low he would stoop if he knew he could get away with it?

  3. Ms.Vanstone does not like what she has found in the Old Country. By the way, same story has been repeated across the globe, especially by out near neighbors.

    ………..The apparent British summation has been coming after prime minister Julia Gillard was ousted as leader, a move many British commentators have blamed solely on the perceived misogynist nature of Australian men generally, and politicians specifically.

    Much of the commentary has cited an opinion piece written by Ms Gillard’s former Scottish-born media adviser John McTernan who said his boss was driven out of office by “deep-rooted misogynist forces in society” and the Aussie male had brought the country down………

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/amanda-vanstone-furious-as-uk-press-lambast-8216misogynist8217-aussie-politics/story-fni0xqrb-1226675063410

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  5. There have been two long interview on today, talking on asylum seekers. Tony Burke and Malcolm Fraser. Suggest on catches up with them. Both made sense.

    Abbott wants to go back to solutions of ten years ago. Maybe we should go back further for the clues. Back to post Vietnam war.

  6. Let’s not forget all his stunts, and there was another day before yesterday with him planting trees in a suit, which are blatant political campaigning and nothing at all to do with government business are also fully paid for by the taxpayers, as are his private charity events, which he also uses for political campaigning.

    That corrupt man owes the Australian people a considerable amount in reimbursement.

    This doesn’t even begin to look at his contradictions like saying businesses requires increased government oversight in light of the HIP findings but in the same week he said that he also stated his government would significantly reduce business regulations.

    I’m certain of one thing, if he is in government and reduced regulations that cause the death and injury of any worker he will not take the blame and shift that to the workers. In fact by his own standard set in this opposition any death or injury on a government program or government funded program will be directly his fault. Best of luck trying to get the media or him to admit to that.

    Lying corrupt bloody hypocrite doesn’t get close to describing Abbott.

  7. Tony Abbott, by paying up, is admitting deliberate corruption (or complete unethical stupidness), and should be taken to the cleaners.

  8. I laugh when I read about Tony peddling for a good cause. Tony would pedal for nothing just to get out in the fresh air and away from doing real work. And to think he got allowances for doing his hobby. We must all be stupid.

  9. At least Julia didn’t expect the taxpayers to buy her knitting wool for her..her hobby versus Abbott’s hobby…

  10. Oh looky, the Glasshouse Rockers are here…. bored on a Sundy arvo, the little boys come to throw rocks and snigger 😛

  11. Yep LOVO, and as inane as ever in lamely attempting to divert attention away from the failures and corruption of their beloved vacuous leader. It’s funny watching them doltishly try to defend the indefensible.

  12. Moderator, do we have to have the above comments? Cannot see why. I find them objectionable and insulting.

    Min, that knitting is always gifts for other people.

  13. If this stuff about Abbott is true why isn’t the media running with it?? I remember it was in the media a couple of years ago. And more particularly why isn’t the ALP govt running with the story??

    I can only assume there is nothing in the story and Margo is not telling all the details. Or the ALP does not want to open up a can of worms. I see former Attorney General Robert Mclelland has been working part time as a lawyer for the last 12 months while still drawing a taxpayer funded salary as an MP. Rudd also was found before the 2007 election to have had outside work while drawing a taxpayer salary.

  14. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/mcclelland-moonlighting-as-lawyer-while-still-an-mp/story-fn59niix-1226672236761

    FORMER Labor attorney-general Robert McClelland will start work as a partner with a big employment law firm in Sydney today while continuing to draw his salary as a serving MP until the coming federal election…………………..His decision to return to Turner Freeman while still an MP is unusual and attracted some criticism from Labor colleagues yesterday.

    While Mr McClelland’s move technically breaks no rules preventing MPs from taking up work outside parliament, some questioned why he would not wait.

    For the past year, Mr McClelland has been practising part-time as a barrister but has not had a considerable case load.”

  15. Sunday Telegraph, 08 July 2012

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/nsw-premier-barry-ofarrells-mps-run-up-1m-party-bill/story-fndo317g-1226419774700

    Dinner at Paris Hilton’s favourite LA restaurant, limousines and five-star hotels are among the expenses NSW ministers and their staff are charging to their taxpayer-funded credit cards.

    Credit card statements obtained by the State opposition show ministers and their staff have spent almost $1 million on airfares, hotels, food and laundry in the year since the O’Farrell government came to office.

  16. Apparently Fairfax are running with Rorter Abbott’s story tomorrow. News Limited and Their ABC still silent…

  17. If this stuff about Abbott is true why isn’t the media running with it?

    Good question. I know why I think that they aren’t running with it. Because they have chosen a team to barrack for. And they will do anything within their quite large powers to achieve that.

    BTW, check the link for the accuracy of the claim. The documents are there.

    So, know that we know that it is true, why do you think that they are not running with it?

  18. Apparently Fairfax are running with Rorter Abbott’s story tomorrow.

    Interesting if it gets the front page treatment like Slipper got?

    Although, as a poster on the link said, If Margo got this from an FOI into Slipper, how could everyone else have missed it?

    Are they that bad, or that biased?

  19. Neil, are you living in Disneyland?

    Liberal Land – Like Disneyland without the class and good taste.

  20. Oh what a suprise that Abbott’s little gaggle of fanbois are here to defend his behaviour, after they’ve hypocritically attacked Labor & Independant MP’s for far less. Even if I was a Coalition Supporter, I’d be deeply disturbed by the amount of corruption we’ve seen from the Coalition & their supporters over the last 15 or so years. National Textiles, Manildra, HIH, AWB, MRI scan scam, $50,000 phone cards, Australians for Honest Politics, Children Overboard, Haneef & Habib, Ute-gate, Ashbygate & now Abbott’s misuse of tax payers money…and almost nothing in an increasingly compliant MSM.

  21. BTW, Scraper, you ignorant & dishonest troglodyte, Howard invented motherhood statements to substitute for real policies long before Rudd came on the scene. Well, when he & his followers weren’t outright lying through their teeth.

  22. Neil Of Sydney… Firstly..why is Abbott paying back the money? I’ll tell you genius… he has obviously misled and misappropriated taxpayer funds, unlike Slipper who was set up for vile political advantage on a technicality, like Thomson (whos case is about to be dropped) Secondly.. Robert is a friend of mine and I can assure you, know it all hater with a brain the size of a peanut…he is working fully within the letter of the law… Really you as always have nothing but rubbish to add to any debate?….

    as usual..scraper the bottom of the barrel 🙄

  23. Labor copped (and has unnecessarily accepted) most of the blame for pink batts deaths. Aren’t building related works regulation the responsibility of the states which have remained blameless and barely mentioned as having a failed responsibility?

    Maybe the time has come for the relevant governments to wear the blame for deaths of service people killed fighting unnecessary wars.

  24. RichardU the Queensland Coroner’s report did find the Queensland government negligent along with the contractors, but the Fed was also held culpable for rolling out a scheme to quickly without putting proper oversight into place.

    Not that you would know it from the MSM, especially the ABC, who concentrated their reporting on solely blaming the Federal government.

  25. “he is working fully within the letter of the law”

    I didn’t say he wasn’t. I actually agree with politicians keeping in touch with their previous employment. You may only have 3 years in office and then lose your job. So you need to keep in contact with future job prospects.

    But if Mclelland was a Coalition politician this lot would be giving him heaps. They would be saying Robert Mclelland should be spending all his time on his taxpayer funded job rather than working as a lawyer. I know that Tim Dunlop gave a National Party MP a lot of abuse for doing work outside his parliamentary duties.

  26. The difference is when liberals don’t do the right thing, the media ignores it ! whatever labor does, good , bad or indifferent, they are relentlessly attacked from all angles, and it never stops. It goes on year after year. and Neil you are a part of the relentless attacks. aren’t you bored with all the rubbish you preach by now ? I know i am.

  27. Steven

    We do not know the whole story. It could be that all Abbotts trips were on parliamentary duties and he therefore could claim expenses. On some of those trips he may have also spent some time flogging his book. Someone then ruled he could not claim expenses because he was benefiting some advertising his book.

    If it was an issue why isn’t the ALP raising the issue? The other possibility is that many ALP politicians do similar things and the ALP does not want to make it an issue.

    And what rubbish do i preach??

  28. Neil, we are not just raising it. it has been mentioned for a long time. Seems the MSM is just catching up.

  29. Could even be Neil, that Abbott is too busy planning stunts, and is poor at applying himself to detail.

    We all know how he hates to read, Maybe he just does not read the rules, of directions. Maybe he just acts off the top of his head, when he fills in those forms. You know, like he does in most things.

    Neil, he is paying it back for the same reason Slipper offered. He made a mistake. In this case about $900 for Slipper. An bout $9000 for Abbott.

  30. That was the point I was trying to make. And it has been that way since the first death despite it being obvious to anyone who has the vaguest idea of how responsibilities are intended to be shared under the Constitution.

  31. From todays (non murdoch) paper

    In January 2011, Mr Gray wrote to Mr Abbott’s office noting $3141.93 more had been paid by Mr Abbott’s office for outstanding entitlements. ”Given the repayments made, I do not intend to take any further action in relation to this matter,” Mr Gray wrote.

    …….

    Mr Slipper faces allegations he misused Cabcharge dockets to visit Canberra wineries in hire cars in 2010, at a cost of $1194 to taxpayers, before he became Speaker.

    He faces the possibility of jail if found guilty.

    So, Slipper offers to pay back around $1000, and is threatened with jail, tabot refuses initially to pay back $9000, claiming it is a Labor smear, and gets a verbal warning.

    Yep, no bias there either.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-repaid-cost-of-2009-book-trips-20130707-2pkav.html

    And that’s all we’ll hear of it, that “Abbott repaid cost of 2009 book trips”, not that “Abbott initially refuses to repay cost of 2009 book trips”

  32. Yep, murdochs minions are going with “Prime Minister Kevin Rudd’s leadership spill will cost taxpayers over $5 million ”

    Wonder when they will highlight how much tabot ‘charity work’ costs us taxpayers, or how much it has cost directly just so he can spend three years trash talking the economy?

  33. “or how much it has cost directly just so he can spend three years trash talking the economy?”

    Swan trashed talked the economy back in 2007. He was going to slay the inflation dragon or something. This was when unemployment was at 4.3%, no govt debt and a booming economy. Have to go back to the 1970’s to find an unemployment rate at 4%. Yet Swan trashed Costello and what he did.

  34. I don’t recall Swan saying anything nice about the economy in 2007. A whole generations of Australians had grown up not knowing what 4% unemployment looked like until Costello came along.

  35. I don’t recall Swan saying anything nice about the economy in 2007

    I don’t recall Swan saying anything about us being a basket-case either.

  36. I’ll also assume that you want to talk about anything except the fact that tabot got busted for rorting taxpayers for almost 10 times the amount that he now wants Slipper to be jailed for.

    When will a journo ask him why is it OK for him to initially deny, then underpay, then finally repay, and just get a talking to, when Slipper didn’t even get the option to repay for an amount a fraction of tabots and be threatened instantly with jail?

    And the msm run Slipper on page one headlines, while murdochs rags (and theirabc) just ignore tabots thieving.

    What is most galling is how, initially, tabot blamed the Labor party for smearing, and the entire press pack just accepted him, again, at face value, even though he didn’t put it in writing (not that that means anything, as he has proven). They are a failure.

  37. I don’t know the full story. Abbott may have been on govt business. Killing two birds with one stone he also flogged his book. It maybe the taxpayer would have paid for those trips anyway. But someone ruled because he was advertising his book he could not claim the expenses on the trips he was flogging his book.

    How about Robert McClellend working as a lawyer while he is receiving full pay as a back bencher?? Apparently not breaking any rules. Somebody in the future may rule against that sort of behaviour.

  38. Abbott may have been on govt business

    He repaid it. All in the end. Does that sound like someone who wasn’t doing something wrong?

    Meanwhile, from 2010

    At the very least these expenses are politically awkward. Was he also doing government business in the places where he promoted his book? Even if he was, is it appropriate to plug your book while you’re there when taxpayers are paying the travel bill? Remember the savage gusto with which the Opposition, Abbott included, went after Kevin Rudd and former defence minister Joel Fitzgibbon over claims they had not properly declared privately sponsored air fares to China.

    A spokesman for Tony Abbott dismissed the allegations as a smear campaign.

    “All travel undertaken by Mr Abbott has been within the entitlement. This is a blatant attempt by Labor to smear and mislead.”

    But this time, Tony, it’s your turn to provide some answers.

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/35544.html

    But no-one asked, and, the last we heard of it, until Margo did some investigating, was tabot blaming it all on Labor. And that’s where it ended.

  39. Apparently not breaking any rules. Somebody in the future may rule against that sort of behaviour.

    Exactly, ‘not breaking any rules.’, unlike tabot, who was, then lied, then tried to underpay, then finally coughed up.

    Unlike Slipper, who wasn’t even offered the opportunity to pay, for a far less amount, and he didn’t lie about it.

  40. Do you think Gillard should pay this trip back???

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/gillard-called-to-pay-for-fundraiser-flight-to-brisbane/story-e6frg6nf-1225886408456

    JULIA Gillard is under pressure to pay back the cost of a taxpayer-funded flight she took to Brisbane on Tuesday to attend a Labor Party fundraiser. ……………The Prime Minister and her ministers are entitled to use the VIP flights for official business. And once they have completed their government business, there is nothing stopping them engaging in party business.
    However, it appears the only purpose of Ms Gillard’s trip on Tuesday was to attend a Labor Party function organised by Labor MP Yvette D’Ath, who holds the seat of Petrie, on Brisbane’s northside
    .”

  41. lol @ nil

    All you can find is an old story from the misogynist oo where all they can find is “it appears ”

    Well, it may have ‘appeared’ to the misogynist oo to be something that it wasn’t. Are you trying to tell me that she did rort this, and the oo just left it at that ROFL

    Nice one nil, LOOK OVER THERE!!

    Meanwhile, tabot has been caught out rorting and lying. What an upstanding citizen 😆

    When will they chase him up about claiming thousands of taxpayer dollars for ‘charity’ events?

  42. No did you see this comment

    And once they have completed their government business, there is nothing stopping them engaging in party business.”

    And there is nothing stopping them flogging a book. I don’t know the full story. Abbott may have been on govt business meaning he would have made those trips anyway.

    Like I said, Labor is not pushing this because it may open up a can of worms. If Gillard took an RAAF flight to an ALP fundraiser she should pay the money back.

  43. Do you think Gillard should pay this trip back?

    And, for the record, I believe all MP’s should be allowed the opportunity to pay back expenses, the rules are pretty exhaustive.

    The issue here is, tabot was offered that opportunity, and chose to lie about it. He then paid back a bit of it. Finally, he paid back it all.

    Slipper was taken to court without the opportunity to pay back his measly amount.

    Why the differing treatment, not only from the Finance Department, but also the media, who plastered Slippers troubles across the front pages for days, and all we get from them about tabot’s lies and thievery for ten times the amount is a sub story in Fairfax?

  44. Why the differing treatment

    We don’t know the full story.

    Margo Kingston would be better off spending her time holding the govt to account

  45. Abbott may have been on govt business meaning he would have made those trips anyway.

    ffs nil, he paid it back, which in itself is an acknowledgement that he was doing wrong.

    If you don’t believe that, read Milnes article I linked to above.

  46. We don’t know the full story.

    We DO know the full story.

    tabot ripped of the taxpayer to fund personal business.

    He then lied about it.

  47. Neil, you can nitpick as many examples you like re Gillard’s expenses. It will not take away from the fact, that Abbott is the greatest Opposition Leader, spender ever, when it comes to expenses. Yes, one cannot run a campaign for four years, without cost. I believe the Liberal party should be picking up the bill, not the taxpayer.

    Another inconvenient fact, is that Gillard expenses, as PM was the lowest for decades. Yes, she was a prudent spender, in spite of being PM.

    Just watching Abbott and Sinodinos, on red tape. If that man ever moved to the lower house, he might be a challenge to Labor. The only man I see in the Opposition who has any audibility.

    Cut red tape. abolition of carbon tax. Yes, same old spiel.

  48. We DO know the full story.”

    No we don’t.

    Do we know the full story about Gillard using a RAAF VIP jet to get to Brisbane?? If she went there on govt business and then went to an ALP fundraiser that is O.K. The trip would have been made anyway. If she used the jet to go to the ALP fundraiser that is not O.K.

    Abbott was most probably on govt business and used his time on some of his trips to promote his book. Somebody ruled that was not allowed.

  49. Neil, if there is any truth in the allegations you make against Gillard, did it cost the taxpayer more. I suspect not. One more passenger would not have mattered at all.

    Abbott visiting two and three states on a daily basis for photo ops is indeed expensive.

  50. FU

    A chartered govt RAAF VIP jet costs a lot of money. Much more than a ticket on a commercial flight.

    The allegation is that Gillard used a RAAF VIP jet to attend a ALP fundraiser. If so she should pay the money back.

    Abbott was most probably on govt business and used the time to advertise his book. The ALP would be making a big deal out of it if there was a story here.

    You lot should spend more time holding the govt to account rather than being a cheer squad for the ALP.

  51. Somebody ruled that was not allowed.

    Exactly. What more of the story do you need? He broke the rules. He admitted to it, after first denying it. And, apparently, today, in a presser, he has again lied and denied it ever happened.

    If you want the story, click the link, it has credlin admitting that they broke the rules.

    As I said, that in itself shouldn’t be a hanging offense, depending on how it is handled. He handled it by lying. He also was not given the same treatment Slipper received.

    The allegation is that …..

    Let me guess, questions to answer lol. Like I said, the oo raised that a long time ago, yet didn’t chase it. Perhaps they were too busy trying to cook up a story over AWU. That failed too. Unless you got evidence, stop it with the ‘allegations’ It’s just liberal party tactics of throwing mud. tabot got busted, cold, and then lied.

    That is the story we know.

  52. neil, Abbott led the charge against slipper, but what he did is 10 times worse in $ values. its quite simple.. but you refuse to see the point. he lied about it. he said labor was smearing him. but it was the truth ! why is it impossible for you to acknowledge truth ? but it is easy for you to believe lies ! shakes me head…

  53. Neil, I believe that back in 2007, the biggest worry for many, was the tenth or more rise in interest rates in a row. Did worry many.

  54. Steven, if one does not support Abbott, Neil has a simple answer, we are all liars. That solves everything for Neil.

    Neil, as GIllard was not asked to repay the money, one can safely assume, she took it for government business. The fact that later in the day, she did something else is immaterial.

    I am sure if this was not so, Abbott and Co would still be pursuing the matter.

  55. “He also was not given the same treatment Slipper received.

    Once again we don’t know the full story. Slipper may have been on his 10th warning. And buying a bottle of wine for personal use or whatever he did is not allowed to be charged to the taxpayer.

    Abbott was most probably on govt business and would have made those trips anyway. Would be interesting to see if an ALP politician would get the same treatment. I doubt it. The PS is infested with ALP supporters who hate the Coalition.

  56. I suppose none of you chatterers saw Bishop demolish old shoe leather yesterday on Insiders? Won’t bother linking as the deniers will not watch and just dismiss the ABC as a poor attempt at deflection.

    Didn’t watch it in the morning but after the blogosphere went crazy I viewed the clip.

    Oh, on topic…Abbott is untouchable and there is nothing that you can do about it.

  57. All I heard about bishop yesterday is that her policy differed from morriscums, which differs from tabots.

    They are making it up as it goes

    go on, link to it 😉

    Any opinions on tabot being caught out lying and rorting the taxpayers?

  58. All Bishop did was have her credibility demolished by Morrison who said the opposite of what she did on asylum seekers. That’s going crazy on social media.

  59. You expect me to defend Abbott if he indeed did rort?

    If it was so serious then why haven’t the government acted or made a political point out of it? Because they all do it.

  60. You expect me to defend Abbott if he indeed did rort?

    No, I asked for your opinion

    Because they all do it.

    Quite obviously not.

  61. Already contaminated by what I read here.
    Shoulda read…
    “Already contaminated by what I write here.”

    Fixed it for ya scapes 😉

  62. “Do you believe I’m one of his supporters, for the record?”

    Absolutely, you adore him.

  63. If Abbott rorted he should be dragged over the coals.

    That is the issue, isn’t it.

    It is not in doubt that he rorted. It is also not in doubt that, when this was exposed, he lied about it. It is also not in doubt that the media continue to build a wall of ignorance around his shortcomings, while blowing out of all proportion anything remotely damaging to Labor, even when that means charging one of their own with similar but far lesser offenses.

  64. What gets me about you people is you provide a link and I am supposed to believe it. This from people who told me a million times that Howard changed the way unemployment is measured to make his govt look better. And I would not believe anything Margo Kingston says.

    “If it was so serious then why haven’t the government acted or made a political point out of it? Because they all do it.

    Exactly. They would be going for Abbotts throat if there was something in this alleged rort.

    The other option is that Labor has done worse and does not want to open up a can of worms.

  65. tabot is innocent, because Labor are too busy Governing 😆

    Remember, the libs are the ones with the dirt files and the ones who play gutter politics.

    Just because Labor aren’t (at the moment) doesn’t mean he is innocent. credlins comments from the linked story are evidence to his guilt.

    In reply, Mr Abbott’s chief of staff, Ms Credlin agreed to repay $6255.49 for flights “inadvertently booked for official travel rather than private”.

    Yep, and he ‘inadvertently ‘ told the press it was a Labor smear, then, again, today, ‘inadvertently ‘ told the press he never had claimed them

    Then, after all that, they had to cough up even more for the comm cars he used…..

    inadvertently

    😯

  66. Still lying after all these years

    When asked at a press conference on Monday morning if he had wrongly claimed travel expenses while promoting Battlelines, Abbott replied: “No, I did not.”

    The FOI documents show emails between the finance department and Abbott’s chief of staff, Peta Credlin, who writes that, though she was not employed by Abbott at the time, she has discovered through her own investigation that the flights were “inadvertently” booked as business flights rather than private flights.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/08/tony-abbott-book-tour-expenses?CMP=twt_gu

  67. Neil you said the public servants in canberra hated the coalition.. you don’t think thats because joe hockey said he will sack 20,000 of them, And thats just for starters. let me remember, tony Abbott said he is the workers best friend ! hmm ? so does that mean no sackings ? nah ! abbotts lying again.

  68. The proposed reduction in the Public Service will be by natural attrition. Resignations and retirements.

    How many were sacked when Rudd knifed Gillard???

  69. I finally worked out what irks me about ALP supporters. You support a team rather than principle. So back in 2007 when you were going Haneef, AWB, asylum seekers, whatever, I never got the impression that ALP supporters cared about these things. They were just things to be used for political purposes.

    By all means go after Abbott about the travel expenses. But don’t dig too deep as you may find ALP MP’s much worse. But we don’t know the whole story.

    I am more worried about the $1B/year extra we are wasting on housing asylum seekers.

    By the way Slipper deliberately, on purpose, willfully misused taxpayers money, most probably after 50 warnings.

  70. But don’t dig too deep as you may find ALP MP’s much worse. But we don’t know the whole story.

    You may want the digging to stop, Kneel … but I don’t … that’s MY taxes they’re pissin’ up against the wall and I don’t care who is caught … Liberal, ALP, National, Greens, Katter, Indies … if its theft its theft! And that’s the difference … your veiled threat to stop (… you may find ALP’s … much worse) – I don’t care, its wrong … find all the bastards …

    That’s the why I don’t like tories … deceit, threats, misinformation, defamation, lies and Liberal Party BS and spin …

    BTW, Kneel, how many times have you voted? Do you pay any tax?

    By my reckoning you’re in either Year 11 or 12 … some more bad news too … the Young Libs supervisors usually get it wrong … do your own research

  71. Rudd announcing change in selection of PM. Sorry Mr. Rudd, the public do not select the PM.

    Change to rules. Elected jointly by party membership and caucus.

  72. Just in passing, I notice a lFormer SAS commander breaks silence on Tampa

    When it came to information made public by the Defence Department, former head of publicity Jenny McKenry revealed details were carefully filtered.

    “We were told that there was to be nothing in the public forum which would humanise these people. We were quite stunned,” she said.

    (my bold)
    .
    More lies unravelling.

  73. One fault. No way of getting rid of bad PM. Rudd is saying if they win, they cannot be removed. Otherwise, no problems. That gives too much power to a PM.

  74. “that’s MY taxes they’re pissin’ up against the wall

    Like i said i don’t know the whole story. But i have been lied to so many times by ALP supporters i no longer believe anything they say- especially Margo Kingston. People make mistakes or Abbott may be rorting. If he was the ALP would be going for his throat.

    “and I don’t care who is caught

    Yes you do. You only care about (alleged) Coalition rorting. You don’t care about ALP rorting. Like all ALP supporters you support TEAM ALP. How much time have you spent trying to catch ALP MP’s out compared to Coalition MP’s???

  75. Neil, in all these years you have never believed anything that anyone said unless it fulfilled the criteria that you wanted to know about – Liberals good/Labor bad.

  76. Good grief, Julia couldn’t even wear the *wrong frock* without the msm dissecting the entrails. Consider how much time they spent on Julia’s optometrist’s advise to ditch the contacts and start wearing glasses again. The Coalition does not need to try..they have the media to do all of their work for them.

  77. Pterosaur, I am not in the least surprised. That was the tactic, to dehumanise the boat people so that Howard could *rally the troops* (the public that is), thereby gaining public support for his Coalition of the Willing.

    Exactly, they were to be dehumanised hence the tactic of saying that “these people” were so inhuman (and also likely to be terrorists) that they “threw their children overboard”. We Australians were supposed to gasp in horror at “these people”..these boat people.

    But of course the truth of the matter is that the majority were found to be genuine refugees trying to escape tyrannically despotic regimes, trying to find refugee in a country where one was free to be a Christian, to believe in democracy, to believe that women should be permitted to drive automobiles…and vote.

  78. Yes you do. You only care about (alleged) Coalition rorting.

    I don’t care, Kneel. But you do. Why do tories always think they know what everybody else is thinking?

    BTW, Kneel:

    How many times have you voted?

    Do you pay any tax?

    And which catlik church do you go to?

  79. Latest Essential showing Rudd leading Abbott on every attribute, but Libs only just in winning lead.

    Morgan though has ALP 54.5% (up 3%), L-NP 45.5% (down 3%). If this trend continues wonder how long until they ditch Abbott.

    Probably the reason Rudd is holding out on the election, to allow Abbott to self destruct.

  80. Mobius, I think that we’ve all be waiting a very long time now for Abbott to self destruct..which of course is why he has always screamed for an election *now*. Anyone else except me wonder why he wanted it *now*? Was there a reason? Other than a spoilt prat saying I want it and I want it *now*…

    Otherwise, Abbott’s minders know that he is incapable of not saying exactly what he thinks, and it isn’t pretty..so if they could have manufactured an election (preferable *now* by fair means or foul (mostly foul), then this is why. Abbott fronting Rudd and being expected to produce factual information and knowledge over a number of portfolios….can Abbott do it..no he can’t.

  81. Mobius..this trending…as we’ve said for quite some time, there is a reason why Turnbull is hanging around in politics…

  82. that’s MY taxes they’re pissin’ up against the wall

    Better than in shoes, I guess 😯

  83. Abbott is untouchable and there is nothing that you can do about it.

    And 2SP seems to think this is a good thing for democracy 😯 🙄

  84. Neil, in all these years you have never believed anything that anyone said unless it fulfilled the criteria that you wanted to know about

    No i don’t believe anything a Labor supporter says because i have been lied to so many times.

    Paul the other day was trying to tell me we got our AAA credit rating back under Swan not Costello.

    And what about that photo of the empty parliament trying to show the Coalition did not care about disabled people. There was a reason that chamber was empty. Most of the Labor party was absent also.

    I have made my mind up. You follow TEAM ALP and principle does not matter.

  85. From what I remember Neil, You stated that Costello only got his ratings from two of the big three, Swann got his from the all the big three, and you said one of them was worthless and crappy.

  86. Here is an article for you kneel,

    Australia’s credit rating still AAA-OK

    Global ratings agency Fitch has confirmed Australia’s AAA credit rating, making the country one of only eight members of the ”9As Club”.

    The club is made up of countries with the highly sought after AAA rating, with a stable outlook, from all three global agencies, S&P, Fitch and Moody’s

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australias-credit-rating-still-aaaok-20130329-2gyct.html

  87. Neil and,

    No i don’t believe anything a Labor supporter says because i have been lied to so many times.

    Yes and we’ve heard the same very poor excuse over and over and over. Perhaps instead of *believing* or otherwise based solely on a particular political party, to keep an open mind and assess factual information as it’s presented. Just a suggestion…

  88. SSJ, likewise..mostly because I have not seen a Liberal Party policy which did not benefit the wealthy over the majority – where a so-called “welfare policy” did not relate to punishment compared with encouragement – where Socialist policies of the greater good were not howled down as “class warfare”.

  89. One wonders if Peta’s cred and loyalty has been “inadvertently” left in a fridge somewhere 🙄 …..ah, such loyalty…., ‘ Peta Credlin, who writes that, though she was not employed by Abbott at the time,..’ 😯

    “The FOI documents show emails between the finance department and Abbott’s chief of staff, Peta Credlin, who writes that, though she was not employed by Abbott at the time, she has discovered through her own investigation that the flights were “inadvertently” booked as business flights rather than private flights”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/08/tony-abbott-book-tour-expenses.

  90. LOVO I wonder if this is Credlin’s way saying to Abbott I know enough to bring you down anytime I want. You owe me big and if you are PM you will pay.

  91. there is a petition going around, for tony abbott to be charged by the AFP.

    Not sure of the point of that. The money has been paid back. In Slippers case, the charges were laid before he had a chance to pay it back, and the finance department won’t accept it now that charges have been laid.

    That’s from my understanding of the situation.

    But, it looks like the media have moved on already. No-one seemed to care that tabot lied to them AGAIN just yesterday over this issue.

  92. I wonder if this is Credlin’s way saying to Abbott I know enough to bring you down anytime I want.

    I think it is cradlins way of saying, when someone raised the issue with me about paying back the money, all of a sudden “I discovered the issue……

    Actually peta, it appears that others discovered this, you simply confirmed it. And then, tabot denied it. And then, the msm ignored it.

    Mind you, I do wish someone from Labor would raise this. Of course, the gathered throng will start screaming about ‘dirty politics’. Maybe that’s why they are remaining mute. Kev wants a clean image?

  93. “In Slippers case, the charges were laid before he had a chance to pay it back, “

    I don’t know the whole story but it looks like Slipper willfully, knowingly on purpose with his own free will stole from the taxpayer. That was his intent. And he most probably had done it many times. That is called theft.

    With Abbott it looks like a mistake was made. And it was most probably not by him but by his secretary. And it looks like he was going to do those trips anyway as part of his job as a MP.

    If there was something in this the ALP would be going for Abbotts throat.

  94. I don’t know the whole story but it looks like Slipper willfully, knowingly on purpose with his own free will stole from the taxpayer.

    The first part of your answer is the most important nil. And then, you have assumed. Actually, it is highly likely both were mistakes. However Slippers I can fully understand

    The alleged trips are understood to be in breach of a little-known restriction on MPs using hire cars or Cabcharge dockets to cross state borders.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/peter-slipper-to-face-court-over-taxi-dockets/story-fndckad0-1226549202856

    The main difference is in the reaction to the issue. In one, Slipper immediately offered to repay, in tabots case, he chose instead to first lie about it, and then, try and underpay his way out.

    Sources have revealed exclusively to Independent Australia that, in accordance with this Protocol, when the 2010 overpayment (a mere $900 or so) was discovered several months ago, Peter Slipper immediately offered to repay the excess.

    But sources say Finance refused to allow him to do this. Instead, they said that — because the AFP was interested, they would not follow the protocol.

    Why did they make such an exception in Slipper’s case?

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/exclusive-how-finance-defied-protocol-to-crucify-slipper/

  95. If there was something in this the ALP would be going for Abbotts throat.

    I’m a bit bemused about this myself. However, after consideration, I reckon they are holding onto it. Their best chance to win is with tabot at the wheel. They can use this during the actual election campaign, along with his most recent lie yesterday about it not ever happening. I wonder just how close the libs are to a leadership spill themselves, considering it is apparently all about ‘teh’ polls

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/morgan-shows-labor-in-poll-position-to-win-federal-election/

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-race-neck-and-neck-as-kevin-rudd-streaks-away-from-tony-abbott/story-fn59niix-1226676231604

  96. Why don’t you lot do something useful with your time. You know like holding the govt to account.

    Whats happened to the NBN after 6 years?? What about the 14,000 refugees we used to take from camps now being replaced by people with $10,000, mobile phones and computers? What about the acts of selfharm going on in the detention centers??

    What about us losing our AAA credit rating which is certain to occur if Labor continues to run deficit budgets. Remember we were downgraded twice under hawke and it took a parliament house riot and 6 surplus budgets by Costello to get our AAA credit rating back. From 2003 this meant that Australian business could borrow money at a lower rate.

  97. This is what the commotion is about. Apparently, the press pack asked, and persisted with, questions about travel rorts. It could be gaining legs

  98. And what shat me about that and why I knew it was absolute bullshit from Turnbull was he said word for word the recent opposition slogan that the people elected the PM, which currently is a nonsense. The people have never elected the PM in this country.

    But this time the irony hit me for Rudd’s reformation of the Labor party will see it get as close as it gets to people electing a PM. If you want to elect the PM them join the Labor party under Rudd’s model as the members will get to vote for who will be leader of the party, and if elected the leader of the party will be PM.

    In the meantime as Turnbull knows the Liberals still have factions and votes are done when opponent supporters are not present. You have to laugh that the Liberals in their usual way of projection have always stated that Labor are undemocratic, implying the Liberals are, which is a nonsense. But now if Rudd gets his way Labor will be democratic whilst the Liberals will still be ruled by faceless men.

    Then it hit me as to why Turnbull of all people would call for an election now. The polls have turned and he knows that they have a good chance of losing, which suits Turnbull to a T as he will be the most likely take over from Abbott after an election loss.

  99. the recent opposition slogan that the people elected the PM

    This, after three years of claiming that Gillard was an ‘illegitimate’ Prime Minister anyway ❓

  100. Do you like Abbott’s latest blatant contradiction.

    Abbott said the Labor party threw out a bad PM in Rudd and then threw out a bad PM in Gillard to replace her with the bad PM Rudd.

    According to Abbott Rudd now wants Labor leaders to be elected so bad PMs can’t be thrown out, that shouldn’t be allowed. In other words Abbott, after going on about how bad it was for leaders to change at the whim of the party, ignoring how he got to be leader, says that leaders should be changed at the whim of the party.

    I wish he would make up his mind. Is it OK or not OK for party leaders to be changed by caucus because at the moment Abbott is holding two contradictory views?

  101. “From what I remember Neil, You stated that Costello only got his ratings from two of the big three,

    And that is all you need to get your AAA credit rating back and for Australian companies and govts to borrow at the lowest interest rate. Apparently Fitch is only used if there is a disagreement between Standard and Poors and Moody’s. And it is actually the big two. S&P’s and Moody’s control 80% of the ratings market.

    But look at your history. We usually lose our credit rating under Labor govts. Queensland and South Australia lost their ratings under Labor govts. The amazing things is that when the Libs get into power they get handed a trashed budget and somehow or other have so far manged to turn it around.

  102. Show us the history kneel, you have not showed us anything about that or why an Abbott led govt would be better for Australia. I think it is time for u to put up or shut up, another troll use to say things like you, where is he now,

  103. I know that Steven, kneel needs to be taken down a peg or 2, He is like his hero Abbott, all mouth and no substance, like all trolls.

  104. I just corrected something and stated some facts and i get abused. For those who say our prosperity under Howard/Costello was due to dumb luck- i disagree.

    It took a stinker of a budget in 1996 which resulted in a Parliament House riot followed by SIX surplus budgets to get our AAA credit rating back in 2003. There is no way in a million years Labor is capable of doing something like that.

    Labor only creates an unstable environment for business.

  105. Why don’t we just concentrate on highlighting the failings of the libs rather than just abusing posters?

  106. Kneel I linked to an article that stated that this labor govt got it’s AAA rating from the big three, nothing a liberal govt did, but u come back with this

    It took a stinker of a budget in 1996 which resulted in a Parliament House riot followed by SIX surplus budgets to get our AAA credit rating back in 2003. There is no way in a million years Labor is capable of doing something like that.

    Labor only creates an unstable environment for business.

    Where is the link to back up your argument, as usual you do not, just like a troll.

  107. Please people totally ignore Neil. He deliberately derails threads and purposely goes off in tangents, more often than not bringing up the same very old stuff, so as to obfuscate and control the conversation.

    He doesn’t add anything to a topic and actually gets off on being challenged even though that proves him wrong. He’s a waste of everyone’s time, which his sole purpose it seems, to waste people’s time on absolute nonsense.

    I haven’t read a Neil post in ages and believe me you are much better off for ignoring him. There are better and more lucid debaters out there than the hapless Neil, who if not really clueless, plays the fool to get his visceral jollies from it.

  108. Scroll past if you do not want to read what i say.

    PAUL

    You stated on another thread that we did not get our AAA back under the Liberal Party and that something on the Liberal Party website was wrong.

    Yes we did get our AAA back under Costello and it happened in 2003.

    I just want factual accuracy from PAUL

  109. Yes kneel only from two of the three, swann, three from three, read the article I posted. or are u blind as well

  110. O.K. Paul that is right. Costello got 2 from 3 but that is all you need to get our AAA back. So the Liberal Party website is correct. It was in 2003 that Australian companies got a lower interest rate. It is no big deal to get 3 from 3. Swan wants to make you think it is.

  111. Of course it is right, getting AAA from the big three, where as Costello only got two from the big three, why no big deal, it better than Costello’s.

  112. why no big deal”
    Because you only need the big two for the lowest lending interest rate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Three_%28credit_rating_agencies%29

    As of 2013 they hold a collective global market share of “roughly 95 percent”[1] with Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s having approximately 40% each, and Fitch around 15%.[2] However these figures understate the dominance of Moody’s and S&P, since the norm for debt issuers is to obtain ratings from these two, and only occasionally turn to Fitch, for example if Moody’s and S&P disagree.[3]”

  113. Paul

    It also shows how deceitful is Swan and Labor. Swan is trying to make out he did something wonderful. All the effort in getting back our AAA was done by the Howard/Costello govt from 1996-2002. And to much abuse by labor who said Costello should be spending on infrastructure or whatever.

    It shows also how deceitful are Labor supporters like yourself who believe Wayne Swan did something. He did nothing.

  114. Well people keep bring up that Labor got us a AAA credit rating. They did not. We actually lost it under Labor and Costello got it back in 2003.

    Just tell the truth and i will talk about something else.

  115. Kneel we get the message, Costello only had two of the big three, Swann has it under the big three Costello did not

  116. Kneel, you believe what you want to believe, your the only one who does, because you believe that Abbott is going to be the best PM ever, we here on this site think he is the worst liberal leader ever, along with little johnny howard

  117. NOS a lone voice in the below 30% percentile denial belt..just goes to prove that Abbott really does appeal to the stupid and gullible who want to believe anything that fuels their insecure hatred.. 🙄 Oh and thats not a left thing NOS, it just general idiocy confirmation of you being an ignorant, obnoxious bowling club philosopher

  118. The msm have tried to ignore us, they have accused citizen journalists of being mere amateurs..but it seems that ignoring us is something that they can no longer do.

    To quote FB member Christine Says Hi..

    Mr Abbott has questions to answer, and finally the mainstream media are asking some of them. Congratulations to all those citizen journalists who’ve worked so hard to unearth the facts and who have refused to be silenced!

    And the story…

    Tony Abbott accused of double standards over parliamentary expenses as “citizen journalists” demand answers on alleged scandals. Jonathan Swan explains.

    http://media.theage.com.au/news/national-times/social-media-gunning-for-abbott-4559245.html

  119. That is a good online piece Min. Normally I’m not enamoured of journalists/reporters interviewing journalists/reporters, but as this interview is about them it’s good. If you look at it RortGate and AshbyGate are given as credible examples of the rise of the 5th Estate, this is not a piece about them.

    The ending is especially poignant for all political parties globally. Politicians and parties have been running to the social and online media to get away from the MSM as they believed they could control that sphere and avoid scrutiny. Abbott as a test case is proving that the online media, the 5th Estate, can be more dangerous to them if they lie or have things to hide than than the MSM.

  120. One can envy Neil.. For him, when it comes to politics, is the word deficit or debt. Two words by the way, that does not mean the same, for anyone else but Neil.

    How the debt comes about, or the global conditions it takes place in does not interest Neil.

    Neil, I do wish that it was so easy, and black and white.

    It is a shame Neil, that the word does not carry the meaning you give to it.

    To begin with Neil, there is good and bad debt. Neil, sometimes you seem to get the word confused with spending and investment.

    Unless you can talk about debt, in content, you are explaining nothing.

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