Budget reply, or much ado about nothing

Photo: news.com

Photo: news.com

Much Ado About Nothing, Great Expectations or might it be Oliver with a Twist.

So far we have from ABC News,

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is expected to use tonight’s budget reply speech to explain how he would pay for tax cuts in a first-term Coalition government.

This is indeed Great Expectations given the fancy footwork employed by Abbott’s Opposition to avoid anything resembling answering that very pertinent question, how are they going to pay for anything whatsoever. So let’s hear loud huzzahs for Her Majesty’s Opposition who tonight will reveal in their entirety how they’re going to pay for tax cuts.

Oh damnation, for a moment there I got all excited because…he’s not going to do that at all. 😦

The would-be prime minister has warned he will not spell out his full list of spending and cuts, but will instead wait for the pre-election economic and fiscal outlook to be released after the start of the election campaign.

Ok, I’m warned. Tony is waiting for a report to be released before he makes a commitment to anything at all.

Greg Hunt: “We’ll have a package of tax cuts for families without a carbon tax,” he said.

Yep, ok we’ve got that. Tax cuts without a carbon tax.

This is going to be good! We’re all going to get much moolah, plus do away with the big polluters having to pay for anything much at all. Money for nothing and chicks for free..to quote the poet, who at the time was in Dire Straits.

Wayne Swan: “He’s a man for three-word slogans, I think the three-word slogan that will lie behind Mr Abbott’s approach tonight is secret, savage, cuts.”

You would think that the reason why the Opposition are doing the fancy shoe shuffle on this question is because they don’t want to answer the question, that perhaps the Australian public will not like the answer.

But Abbott hath spake. He will reveal all tonight, about how he would pay for tax cuts.

Watch this space.

94 comments on “Budget reply, or much ado about nothing

  1. Abbott won’t reveal anything because they haven’t got anything – anything that’s plausible anyway. It will be smoke and mirrors and slogans as far as the eye can see.
    If the LNP get in, regardless what is said or ‘promised’, it will straight away be: IR ‘reform’ (ie: WorkChoices 2), slash funding to the public and social services and handouts to the rich corporate masters. And they’ll blame it all on the ALP. That’s the LNP way.

  2. Waiting for the pre-election economic and financial outlook. Will he in fact read it. We know he has an aversion to reading official documents and we also know he cannot even understand an electricity bill.

  3. In anticipation, I am hoping for specifics..or will the budget reply be nothing more than a Gillard bash-fest which tells nothing, says nothing and predicts nothing..

  4. Cuppa, I remember the other attempt which amounted to Pass the Parcel. Abbott to Hockey (who couldn’t answer the questions), to Robb who made a valiant attempt. Since then Hockey and Robb have maintained a discreet distance from each other.

  5. Just saw the title. Don’t have time to read it. But how about not trashing the budget in the first place. Then when Conservatives are elected they will not try austerity but start to build things. They only get into power after Socialists trash the budget

  6. Abbott’s response is always “well we’ll wait until {insert whatever info sounds relevant is} before we reveal… repeat, repeat, repeat. In the meantime, just trash the Gillard government and talk about how “responsible” you are for waiting. Never reveal your plans though… no one will like them.

  7. Watching this video, again..(lots, it’s sadly good for a laugh)……..why does the MSM still give credence to the theory of economic superiority by the Libs?

  8. ..why does the MSM still give credence to the theory of economic superiority by the Libs?

    The Liberals and the “mainstream” media work together in a sort of unholy alliance. It’s no coincidence that the Rupert Murdoch empire is solidly behind the Liberals, and every shock jock in the land is a frothing right-wing ideologue.

    The Liberals rely on constant media inflation to remain artificially electorally viable. If it weren’t for that the Liberals would be finished as a significant political presence.

    The Liberals/media worked hard for many years to foster the myth in the minds of the public that they are the better economic managers.

    It’s astonishing how black can be portrayed as white by spin and relentless propaganda. John Howard was the most disastrous treasurer this country has ever had. Yet with the concerted application of spin, slogans and relentless propaganda, he’s been recast by the Liberals/media as an economic guru!! This despite the most wasteful periods in 200 yearsoccurring during his term as PM.

    When the Liberals/media make political assertions, it often makes sense to invert what they say. Dishonesty and “black is white” is their grubby calling card.

  9. Well it looks ,like Mr. Abbott has located that magic pudding. Well just listening to news flash, Lyndal Curtis. ABC 24. Not exactly what she said, but would need it, to keep his word.

    Yes, where is the money coming from.

  10. Min. Abbott has a lot to fix up. I suspect he will simply dump the Gillard/Swan budget in the bin and quietly wait until the truthful financial numbers escape the Labor Fog of Spin.
    I reckon there are around 70%+ of Australians who understand the purpose and process of a budget whether it be personal or national. Sadly no one in Labor has a grip on the concept.
    $2 Billion Surplus to $20 Billion deficit since December……breathtakingly incompetent.
    If it was your partner who handled your household budget so incompetently Min you would take the credit cards of him (or her) and change the PIN on the debit card.

  11. Tweed, maybe you can show us how Abbotts numbers add up.

    The maths I learnt at school do not seem to give me the skills to do so.

  12. It’s been noted that Rhinehart is at Abbott’s reply speech. Making sure he states it exactly as she has written it.

    Also I note that the mostly pro-Abbott press gallery are picking up on the fact Abbott’s pre speech press stunts with Hockey show an empty ring binder and that his budget document is a fraction of the size of his dirt file on Gillard.

  13. If it was your partner who handled your household budget so incompetently Min you would take the credit cards of him (or her) and change the PIN on the debit card.

    😆 😆 😆

  14. Wonder how many carers are impressed with his bike ride each year. Taking a week off doing something you love does not seem to be much of a sacrifice to me.

    Money raised not that great either.

    Would have shown more commitment, if he and those behind him attended the launching of the legislation. Leaving the PM to talk to an empty house was not great politics.

  15. So far from what I’ve heard and read nearly all Abbott’s savings outside of the 12,000 per annum PS cuts are in hitting the poor and lower income earners. The wealthy to be rewarded.

  16. From the headline, it seems that news.com isn’t impressed..which coming from his #1 cheer squad is telling…

    Federal Budget 2013: Low earners to pay for Abbott cuts

  17. “Hence the Coalition may decide not to oppose any of them, doesn’t commit to reversing any of them, and reserves the option to implement all of them in government, as short-term emergency measures to deal with the budget crisis Labor has created.

    So because of the “budgetary emergency” Abbott intends to keep all of Labor’s policies..good choice.

  18. I bet myself that Abbott could not resist using his speech to besmirch the government, and Abbott didn’t disappoint. Straight out of the box, he said the government was an embarrassment, so I immediately switched off.

  19. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/smart-politics-from-a-leader-whos-growing-up-20130516-2jpep.html#ixzz2TSBLeKFa

    Tony Abbott came on Thursday not to demolish the Labor government as a tribal leader but to chide it as an adult alternative prime minister.
    As he continues his effort to evolve from tribal warrior to national leader, Abbott invoked as model not only John Howard but also Bob Hawke. Promising to lead a government of ”no surprises and no excuses”, he offered a supra-partisan model of government that implies that Julia Gillard is some sort of weird aberration: ”You want a grown-up government like the ones that John Howard and – yes – Bob Hawke too used to run.” Yet while he named Hawke twice, he named Gillard not once………….

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/smart-politics-from-a-leader-whos-growing-up-20130516-2jpep.html#ixzz2TSEzu0nj

  20. ……Mr Abbott’s refusal to respond to the budget in detail, contradicted his demands on the then opposition when he was a minister in the Howard government.’
    With the economy centre stage of the pre-election debate, the opposition’s attack on the budget floundered in question time on Thursday when treasury spokesman, Joe Hockey, led a sustained attack using New Zealand as an example.
    He praised New Zealand’s superior economic performance for forecasting ”faster economic growth, falling unemployment, and a budget surplus one year earlier than Australia”.
    The government described the comparison as laughable, pointing out that the NZ economy had grown by 4 per cent, since the global financial crisis while Australia’s had grown by 13 per cent…….

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-pledges-no-nasty-surprises-no-lame-excuses-20130516-2jpen.html#ixzz2TSFoks3E

  21. Robert Oakeshott MP @OakeyMP

    Well, I came back to Parliament ready for the much-hyped No Confidence motion…and….crickets. So much for pressure on the Independents.
    10:06 PM – 16 May 2013

  22. I love Tony Abbott 😯 ……. I love how he comes across as oh so-o not scripted, so off-the-cuff 🙄 ….. I love how he comes across as so-o on the ball, a Manly man ( 🙄 ) or should that be, .. a man’s man 😀 … I love he’s gottcha phrase’s, there so unexpected 😉 … and I love his obvious grasp of veiled humour, 😆 .. I love his agility at doing the same-same.. –carbon tax– lied– incompetent– we will be better– same-same,… only a gifted mind could string three words together amd make a slogan out of thems. …. I even love his quirky little laugh,.. no matter how forced 🙂 … I love how he open’s his mouth to change feet while wearing a fluro vest, he so gets the working man 😛 …………but what I love most about Tony Abbott IS…
    .. is how he’s Labors greatest asset come September.
    On ya Tones for not fool’n anyone…. your greatest talent IMO……..

  23. The Coalition are saving a small amount, 5%-10%, in NBN construction costs of the NBN by forcing unavoidable costs onto householders. And not once, but three times, will ordinary householders have forced and avoidable out-of-pocket expenses.

    How to achieve an easy surplus, the Liars way.

    “Hence the Coalition may decide not to oppose any of them, doesn’t commit to reversing any of them, and reserves the option to implement all of them in government, as short-term emergency measures to deal with the budget crisis Labor has created.

    Min, is that code for Liealot will do f@ck all? I love the header photo on the post. Sloppy looks like someone’s just handed him a first year maths student’s homework.

    Fed up @9.46pm, have you got a link for the core promises poster? It would make a great tweet. They’d also look great on every stobie pole come election eve.

  24. So Tony Abbott is once again a hypocrite for not doing what he demanded of the opposition when he was in government. See below. Why do so many politicians have a split personality. One for opposition where they promise all are safe and then one for government where they renege on promises and do a complete backflip on their comments. the QLD LNP are a classic example.

    “Casting the September 14 election as a ”tipping point in the life of our country”, Abbott promised honest government that would live within its means, but he failed the test he set for budget replies when he was in government.

    Back in 2003, he said the task for an opposition leader on budget-reply night was to ”tell us exactly what will be cut to pay for any increase in spending that he proposes”. On Thursday night, he could only offer a down payment.

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/federal-budget/abbott-pledge-at-odds-with-claim-20130516-2jpei.html#ixzz2TUf2u5qL

  25. Gina Reinhart claims that successive governments have been using the mining industry as an ATM. I say to Gina, for too many years you have used the Australian Publics finite mineral resources as your own personal ATM withdrawing them at ever increasing breakneck speed while refusing to pay a fair amount of ATM Fees for the upkeep, maintenance and supply of the ATM resources and those who own them. that you personally have made a totally obscene profit and generated a massive personal wealth from. You will never be poor or average and good luck to you but pay your way in a country that gives you amazing deductions not available in African countries.

  26. For a new Government – you must know the True and Factual state of your
    finances.
    Wayne Swan has proved he is totally incapable of this task. Furthermore
    what he does say has such a spin or is a lie.
    Making a Budget Reply with future policy nay impossible.
    A Budget Reply can only be used as a ‘Critique of the Governments Budget’

  27. ‘Cept it ain’t future policy, Voyager; it’s the policy of the lost Golden Age of Howard, or 2010’s still-unarticulated and inadequately-costed policies (with or without provisional or definitive updates). And, there’s no specific reason why a policy-maker cannot outline and detail a program of intensive action for a range of possible scenarios; it’s what governments do already when relying on ‘forecasts’; and it’s what (future) governments are, and will be, expected to do. Indeed, it’s what the Real Solutions Plan, and Abbott, has signed up for, when he says his general values statements are fully-costed and fully-budgeted. Nay, it has nothing to do with policy; and everything to do with details and timings; unless Abbott’s ‘no surprises’ future government is recursively suggesting that it’s about to write itself a, now ante-dated, and then a post-dated, blank-cheque, all at the public’s expense.

  28. Fed up, “Has anyone noticed how little time has been given to Abbott’s speech in the media?”

    Exactly. And Min too was wise before the event when she wrote the title of this thread,

    Sadly though, some commentators will manage to make much of it overnight……….

  29. Wayne Swan has proved he is totally incapable of this task. Furthermore
    what he does say has such a spin or is a lie.”

    Exactly, that is why Labor supporters like Swan. They are attracted to politicians who are deceitful.

    But how can Swan get it so wrong?? He forecasts a $1.5B surplus and it ends up a $19B deficit. What has changed in 12 months to get this so wrong??

  30. Abbortt has a perfect record of NOT answering questions since becoming LOTO which reminds of a sketch on the Andy Williams show when Andy did not provide a present for the bear with the immortal words “why should I break a perfect record and give you a present now”, to which the bear replied, “you have not had a perfect record since Canadian Sunset”.

    A great response that always pops into my mind.

    If anyone hear thinks that everything is NOT up for grabs if this GRUB gets elected, then they are sadly mistaken, the Mad Monk will Morph into the Grim Reaper complete with scythe and woe betide us all. Australia has 3 months to wake up but do not expect anything different from the MSM they are bought and sold lock stock and barrel.

  31. Shane, from your link to the Brisbane Times..

    With a mix of prudence and pragmatism, the Opposition Leader says he may well keep all of the $43 billion in savings in Wayne Swan’s budget, including the axing of Peter Costello’s baby bonus, while describing them as ”objectionable”.

    The descriptions “prudence and pragmatism” are hugely over-generous.. hypocritical would be far more appropriate..

  32. So exactly what is it that Abbott plans to do? He’s going to keep everything except the Carbon Tax..so if he’s going to scrap that one where is the revenue coming from to pay for the compensation? Compensation but no tax, apart from this concept leaving everyone scratching theirs heads as to “why”, leads me to believe that he’ll end up keeping the carbon tax. Wasn’t it Tony Windsor who stated that this piece of legislation has been etched in stone.

  33. Min,

    To fill their immense self-made black holes, I can see them selling post offices, universities, national highways, the ABC and SBS and everything else they can get their hands on. The ruination of Australia under the Lieberals lies just around the corner unless people wake up from the media brainwashing NOW.

  34. “To fill their immense self-made black holes”

    It is the Labor Party which has the black holes. Labor always leaves a mess to clean up. Look at what they did to Queensland. In fact look at wherever they go.

    I remember what Cain/Kirner did to Victoria.

  35. A couple of weeks ago on Q&A, one of the Liberals was forced into disclosing that they had no plans to sell off the ABC. (This is one of the IPA’s policies.) But so what? They only have to open up the ABC to advertising like the SBS and the ABC will turn into a revenue raiser.

  36. @Fed up
    Thank you. The You Tube video was very amusing and summed up the deceit.

  37. Cuppa, on selling Post Offices..John Howard floated this as idea prior to ’07. Heaven help us! Imagine Australia Post privatised, even more than currently (I will stand corrected, but I believe that most of them are franchises). Gosh, if you live in Outer Whoop Whoop North it will only cost you $2.75 to post a Christmas card to granny..can’t have those non-profit areas getting away without paying for the cost of the service.

  38. Neil, it’s your big chance. I am trying to have an open mind on Abbott becoming Prime Minister (ok..feeble attempt, but I’ll give it a try).

    Tell me (and all lefties who care to read)..and without mentioning TWO WORDS, these being Gillard and Labor, why Abbott will make such a sterling Prime Minister. Can you do it?

  39. Better policies. Labor has been at the NBN for 6 years. At this rate we will all be dead before it is finished.

    I have always believed that Liberal and National ministers are better at picking the better policy options because they have more experience in the real world. A lot of labor politicians go from school to Union rep to Parliament. Their life experience is very limited.

  40. See Min, his answer is rubbish. Abbott hasn’t got any “real world” experience either. He comes from a privileged background. Went to a fancy private school, had the right connections to get a Rhodes Scholarship (Abbott!). From there to the Seminary, didn’t complete, a short stint as a journalist (that figures), and in there somewhere a short job in a concrete plant. Not as a worker either but a “manager”. And for the remainder of the time a Lieberal Party apparatchik.

    So he’s been neither an employer or employee, never “run a business”, never used his degree qualifications, never struggled, had a privileged “entitled” treatment the whole way.

    Nil’s answer here reminds me of that hilarious (and very telling) thread at the Cafe where Migs challenged the Lieberal fanbois to state WHY Abbott would make a “better” PM. They hummed and haaed, spun and tried to dodge the question. One of them tried to deny the question had been put, despite it being right there in black and white. After some pressure, Nil of Sydney mumbled something about Abbott having “better judgement”. When challenged to back up that opinion he could not. When shown instance upon instance of Abbott’s BAD judgement he had no comeback, and never broached the subject again.

    Abbott’s “judgement” – I still fall apart laughing when I recall that one.

  41. Coalition politicians also have more common sense than Labor politicians. Labors solution to every problem is to throw a wheelbarrow full of cash at it and hope for the best.

  42. Comedy gold from a fan of the party, found by a recent report for the IMF to have presided over the two most profligately wasteful periods in Australia’s 200-year history.

  43. “Coalition politicians” and “common sense” don’t belong in the same paragraph. In order to build a strong economy you need to ensure there is something to build on in the first place… not hoard up taxpayer funds in some “future fund”. Howard spent hardly anything of our tax dollars on infrastructure. He left government departments drastically underfunded at our expense. Labor has a lot to build right now and they are doing a pretty good job of doing so. Lot more to an economy than a future fund.

  44. Look up who the economists describe as the most wasteful government in Australia’s history… Howard.

  45. Why should anyone try to convince you, Min. You have only one vote just like most. The people will decide who governs and the chattering classes will just have to wear it…either way.

    I posted a video here of Abbott at the anniversary and obviously no one viewed it. It was an insight of things to come.

    You guys can’t take a trick, even when it is served on a platter!

  46. “Howard spent hardly anything of our tax dollars on infrastructure

    That was one of the first things I was told on Dunlops blog. But i have never seen any figures that showed Howard spent less on infrastructure than Hawke/Keating.
    But Howard did spend $2.2B in 2005

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2005-06/ministerial/html/dotars-19.htm

    Australian Government investment in rail and road infrastructure in 2005-06 is $2.2 billion — a figure that will grow even higher in future years as the Australian Government continues to implement AusLink, the National Transport Plan. AusLink has radically transformed how Australia plans and implements the rollout of essential transport infrastructure, directly linking rail and road improvements with industry needs and growth.”

  47. Neil

    Fibre is being laid by the NBN in a country the size of the USA with only 1/15th their population running hundreds of Kms without a town. Just how long do you think it will take to cover the whole country ?. A building takes up to 3 years and it is standing in 1 spot. So of course it will take many years and run over time, most things do, even homes. hat is why builders have clauses to allow an overrun of time. If you think everything is built on time and on budget especially when it is covering the whole country you have not thought sensibly.

    As for the “Lavy for Everything” he was in from 1996-2007 and all you can come up with is infrastructure in 2005-2006 so what happened for the 10 previous years he ran the government ?.

    I also notice it looks like a flood levy is going to be introduced by the LNP in QLD. Looks like the old “levy for everything” trick is being rolled out again by the LNP despite the utter hysteria against Julia Gillard when the one off flood levy was introduced. Hypocrisy.

  48. “Fibre is being laid by the NBN in a country the size of the USA with only 1/15th their population running hundreds of Kms without a town.

    Why should i trust Labor?? Their election promise in 2007 was an NBN costing $4.7B and finished in 5 years. This won them a lot of votes because Labors NBN seemed more sexy.

    and all you can come up with is infrastructure in 2005-2006 so what happened for the 10 previous years he ran the government ?.”

    Well i just gave an example. One thing i would like to see is what Hawke/Keating spent on infrastructure. According to you people they must have spent a lot because lack of infrastructure spending was allegedly low under Howard. Anyway i always thought infrastructure spending was a State govt priority. But Howard did spend. Here is an earlier reference.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2001-02/minst/html/transp.htm#P285_18295

    Roads and rail

    The largest allocation in almost a decade – $1,819.6 million – is being directed to the nation’s roads, including around $722.3 million to local governments for discretionary roads spending and $48.8 million to eliminate approximately 400 crash `black spots’, about half of which are in regional areas.

    The Government is committing $110 million in 2001-02 to the $1 billion Alice Springs to Darwin railway, which will generate 2,000 jobs during its three-year construction.

  49. Will someone tell Abbott, that education is not going backwards.

    We are just not keeping up.

    Let him know loud and clear, the education funding model is well and truly broken. Ask him to read Gonski. He will then know it is teachers, as well as other things they are talking about.

    Tell Abbott loud and clear, that investing in education, is investing in infrastructure for the future.

  50. Why should I trust the LNP ?. I can ask the same simple questions. “The largest allocation in a decade”. It only has to be increased by $1 and it is the largest in a decade. What decade are you talking about as that also makes a hell of a lot of difference?. If it is 2001 they were in for 6 years so they are simply only increasing their own allocations after slashing budgets. $100 million to a dud railway that runs at a loss. The 2000 jobs have been gone for over 8 years, the NBN jobs are here and now. $48 million for black spots is nothing. How much in fuel excise was raised and how much GST on the fuel excise was raised ?. When you get a tax on a tax you might be able to afford to skite about increasing a budget. How much is devoted to roads now, 12 years later on. Infrastructure is for all Australians, but instead we have this state argy bargy. Rail, Snowy Mountains Scheme, National Highways. They are for the good of all. Trucks don’t stop at state borders and turn around.

  51. scaper, I wonder where those 25% plus, who are sitting on the fence, in all political polls, about all political questions, are going to jump.

  52. Don’t forget with the GST you are now paying tax on everything including the retailer’s profits. It’s the last item to be applied to any price.

  53. Shane i just gave an example. You are most probably right. Funding was cut to get the budget back in surplus in 1996. But funding was restored.

    I still have not seen a comparison for infrastructure spending from 1983-1996 compared to 1996-2007. Just allegations.

    Have seen lots of hatred for Howard. Lots of lies as well.

  54. Neil

    You are correct, funding was cut to get a surplus, but then only simply restored to pre funding cut levels and then portrayed as an increase. Both sides use smoke and mirrors to manipulate outcomes and elections. Yes there was animosity for Howard but nothing like the hatred I now see for Gillard, it is far more venomous than I ever experienced when Howard was in. I never heard people wishing Howard dead or wanting him assassinated or placed in a chaff bag and thrown overboard at sea. Especially by the media who should know better. While there was animosity for Howard the venom against Gillard is downright frightening for our democracy and verging on Americanism of assassination of their politicians. Partisan political hatred and shock jocks cause this thinking with their hysteria and whipped up one sided comments.

  55. Wayne Swan has proved he is totally incapable of this task. Furthermore
    what he does say has such a spin or is a lie.

    Care to back that up with some credible evidence? Oh dear, that rules out ALL your sources. Verdict: another big fat lie from a Liars stooge.

    “Coalition politicians” and “common sense” don’t belong in the same paragraph

    They don’t even belong in the same galaxy, Brinjen.

    Neil, the roll out of the NBN is projected to be completed by 2021, just 2 years later than Fraudband. That’s IF fraudband has a charmed run and the really big if, IF the Liars are elected.

    Whatever, the completion date for NBN is only 8½ years away, so unless you’re expecting a telegram from the Queen in the near future, you’ll be alive and kicking to enjoy its benefits.

    Just think, you’ll be able to download Liars party propaganda at light speed! Unfortunately, if all you can have is fraudband, it will be quicker to go to Liars HQ and pick up a hard copy.

  56. Brinjen you are correct. While a tax cut was provided by the “Levy For Everything” government to lessen the GST impact it disappeared ages ago as the GST increases each and every time a cost or service increases and this has happened massively since the GSTs inception. the most affected are the poor and low income earners. If GST is placed on food as seems possible under a new LNP government it will add a massive cost to food bills for families and pensioners. The LNP can do this while still claiming not to have increased the GST percentage. John Howard still wishes he had put it on food. The GST is the most regressive tax ever invented its take of workers wallets increases every 6 months with inflation and price increases.

  57. Shane… I agree. The levy never really existed given that all we were given was a lousy $90 per year and many of the taxes it replaced were not paid for a lot of the taxpayers in the first place.

    I find it amusing at the backlash over the Carbon Tax, yet how many stop to think they are paying tax on the utility company’s profits… thanks to the GST?

    Now the carbon tax can be reduced or even eliminated altogether with green technology… not the case with the GST. Legislation needs to change first. Not to mention Abbott’s words about adding a simple tax to everyone’s bill. Getting us to give money to the biggest polluters to pay for their bad habits. Ridiculous.

  58. “Neil, the roll out of the NBN is projected to be completed by 2021”

    Only a Labor supporter would say something like that. It was actually due to be finished in 2012. That is last year.

    We would have been better off if we had gone with the Coalition plan in 2007.

  59. Neil, can you tell us what Abbott has said in the last 24 hours, or are you struck back in the past?

    Are you going to keep replaying the 2007 election for ever. I know the Liberals find it hard to believe, but Howard was thrown out of both his seat and government..

  60. ……gets me every time 😆 😆 ….Howard lost his ‘own’ seat….. 😆 ….. must be that laughs last thingy, it so-o keeps on giving…. 😆 ….. and from what I hear about the rumblings in Warringah, we might get another guffaw 😆 😆

  61. “You are correct, funding was cut to get a surplus, but then only simply restored to pre funding cut levels and then portrayed as an increase.”

    It is comments like that why i never believe anything a Labor supporter says. At 4.59PM the poster said Howard hardly spent anything on infrastructure. Shane now says it was initially cut to get a surplus then restored to previous levels.

    I think Labor supporters just say the first thing that comes into their heads. Still like to see spending on infrastructure from 1983-1996 compared to 1996-2007.

  62. Neil

    Being restored to previous levels after years of cutting does absolutely nothing. It does not even cover inflation so puts those areas backwards, or do you lack the ability to comprehend that. The infrastructure I am talking about is that which should have been built during our prosperous years instead of giving endless tax cuts to the rich destroying future income base. Can you not see this instead of trying on your usual gotcha tactics in the hope of catching someone out like a school child ready to run and tell. Nice of you to remind me why I stopped responding to you.

  63. Shane

    I am not sure what you are raving on about. I have never seen any figures. Did Howard spend less than Hawke/Keating on infrastructure.

    I have only seen allegations. But he did spend.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2005-06/ministerial/html/dotars-19.htm

    It should be noted that Auslink was renamed to Nation Building program.

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/government-makes-howard-program-its-own-20090616-cg8q.html

    And it was Labor that gave us the tax cuts as well. They continued on with them so how about blaming Labor. I have seen Labor boast that they are lower taxing than Howard. Craig Emerson says Labor could tax like Howard but they don’t.

  64. Haha good laugh.

    Hockey being hysterical and shrill on TV whilst saying government is being hysterical and shrill.

    A more perfect example of right wing projection would be hard to find.

  65. By the way Shane just told me the Coalition gave “endless taxcuts” destroying the future income base.

    But a senior member of the current govt has just published an article saying the exact opposite.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury/sure-way-to-surplus-tax-the-people-as-howard-did/story-fnhi8df6-1226645352033

    “Sure way to surplus: tax the people as Howard did”

    So i conclude as usual that you lot hate Howard so much it does not matter what he does.

  66. Neil… how about fully reading and comprehending what people are saying here instead of picking lines from here and there and running in the wrong direction?

    I believe Shane’s words were “tax cuts for the rich”. Those towards the bottom end of the scale were taxed more under the Howard government while those on higher incomes not so much.

    Yes, the Howard government was the highest taxing government this country ever saw. And yes… I still say they did not spend enough on infrastructure as they should of which is why I said “Howard spent nothing”.

  67. Exactly. One poster says Howard did not tax enough destroying our tax base. Well in 6 years that could be easily fixed rather than blaming Howard. The Greens would pass any tax hike.

    For another point of view Craig Emerson said Howard taxed the crap out of people.

  68. It amazes me that people still carry on about Howard who was voted out almost six years ago.

    Talk about stuck in the past.

    _____________
    Hmmmm, so the application of a sensible approach “amazes” you. That’s revealing.

    If you’re to judge a political party, you have the choice of two possible approaches:

    * You can be influenced by their Spin, slogans, rhetoric.
    * You can judge them by what they’ve actually DONE, their record in government and opposition.

    Anyone going with the first method is a gullible fool. The Liberals are notorious for bending and breaking the truth. They dumb political discussion down to a few slogans of three syllables. If you believe the things they say, I’ve got a Bridge to sell you.

    Which leaves the second way: Look at what they have done and what they do. It is the only sensible way to judge them.

    Naturally then, the focus falls on John Howard. He is a former Liberal PM, and decades before that, Liberal treasurer. There is a lot to be gleaned about what makes the Liberals tick by examining his actions, record and performance in those positions.

    So expect plenty more of it.
    ___________
    PS: Mods,

    I’ve got a long and timely comment caught up in moderation over at the AIMN. Could you liberate it please. 🙂

  69. “It amazes me that people still carry on about Howard who was voted out almost six years ago.”

    Could it be, that is where the Liberal Party is still struck

    We have, is it 15 ministers in the shadow front bench from Howard’s day.

    They have not moved forwarded at all.

    We had Mr. Abbott, ignoring the fact he should have been addressing the chair when making his reply speech proudly name all in his shadow ministry, who were all responsible for the surpluses, that keep Neil occupied.

    Sorry. he forgot one, Bronwyn Bishop. It is said, she was not impressed.

    Yes the government that belongs back in the dark ages, one that does not even understand we have moved on to the new world order, and the Asian Century. A whole new ball game.

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