Seditious intent

I attribute this comment to geezlouise on my article on Independent Australia.

Seditious intent.

The definition of “seditious intention” originally in Section 24A has become (as amended):

An intention to effect any of the following purposes:

(a) to bring the Sovereign into hatred or contempt;

(b) to urge disaffection against the following:

(i) the Constitution;

(ii) the Government of the Commonwealth;

(iii) either House of the Parliament;

(c) to urge another person to attempt, otherwise than by lawful means, to procure a change to any matter established by law in the Commonwealth;

(d) to promote feelings of ill-will or hostility between different groups so as to threaten the peace, order and good government of the Commonwealth.

Can we prosecute as a civil action? Class action?

It was in response to the media conspiracy to bring down a duly elected government, and it was a good question.

Consider also the Ashby versus Commonwealth of Australia case where Justice Rares found:

197     . . .The originating application was used by Mr Ashby for the predominant purpose of causing significant public, reputational and political damage to Mr Slipper . . .

199    . . . Even though I have not found that the combination was as wide as Mr Slipper alleged in his points of claim, the evidence established that there was a combination involving Mr Ashby, Ms Doane and Mr Brough of that kind. Mr Ashby acted in combination with Ms Doane and Mr Brough when commencing the proceedings in order to advance the interests of the LNP and Mr Brough. Mr Ashby and Ms Doane set out to use the proceedings as part of their means to enhance or promote their prospects of advancement or preferment by the LNP, including by using Mr Brough to assist them in doing so . . .

I need not go over the old ground of what we already know, ie, killing off Slipper would kill of the Government.

I think we have a clear picture developing that shows elements in the media and the LNP certainly have seditious intention. If Government cannot be won by an election, ‘let’s do it another way’.

Who can argue with the comment of Ad astra on The Political Sword. Aa wrote:

. . . I am astonished and left almost speechless with the language used on news and current affairs programs.  First, it is so cliché ridden that it is almost possible to predict the words before they leave the presenter’s mouth.  Who on earth writes this stuff?  For news, I suppose there are news-writers, but to what extent does Chris Uhlmann, Mark Simkin and Greg Jennett write their own scripts?  It sounds to me as if quite a lot of their personal viewpoints intrude into their commentary.

Next, I wonder to what extent the prevailing political climate at the organization influences what appears as ‘news’, what you term ‘editorializing’.  For some, the influence is profound; 2GB is a grotesque example.  I have felt for a long while that ABC news suffers from such editorializing.  This is insidious, hard to challenge, and difficult to counter.  It erodes confidence in the Government and reinforces the stereotypes about the Government the Coalition has promoted: chaotic, ineffective, incompetent, illegitimate, spendthrift, dishonest, poorly led, and headed for oblivion.  You could add many more.   The words you quote leaves people wondering, but feeling that PMJG has had a bad week and that her only solace was a visit to the jobs expo, where presumably her union mates welcomed her.  And it is the ‘feeling’ that counts.

It is an appalling abuse of power . . .

. . . The genesis of much of the venom that the media injects into its commentary and opinion pieces is Tony Abbott and the Coalition media machine.  It has consistently demeaned the Government’s every action and demonized PM Gillard at every turn.  The sycophantic media is simply ‘Little Sir Echo’.

Of course the media does not have to slavishly follow the Coalition line, but much of it chooses to do so in line with Murdoch’s dictates, and the dictates of whoever now manipulates Fairfax.  Is it Gina Rinehart?

I admit that poor journalism is no evidence that there is intent to bring down a government, but when you consider who owns information in this country and the growing evidence of the LNP’s collusion, you’d be ignorant to ignore what is happening in Australia.

Is there seditious intent?

50 comments on “Seditious intent

  1. John, it’s because an Appeal has been lodged with the Federal Court due to be heard 30th May, therefore the AFP have suspended their investigation pending the outcome of this appeal.

  2. “If it was a dog it would bite you.” And it has. On a daily basis we are bitten by the vicious yapping dog that is the mainstream media of News Ltd and Fairfax. YES it is in my opinion sedition. But what do we do about it. Write articles like this that are great but generally preach to the converted. When it is obvious to so many people why can’t legal action be taken by the government against these media outlets? Is it called “power”? The bloody AFP can’t even get its act together to carry out a decent investigation into Mal Brough’s actions. They suspend investigations for dubious and suspicious reasons that apparently aren’t in line with the law yet no one seems able to do anything about it. Why is there a federal Attorney General if not to order a hasty investigation into these matters? Or is that not in his jurisdiction? If sedition isn’t what the hell is? I suppose if the AG started action the government would be accused of introducing a police state. The whole thing beggars belief.

  3. It appears to me that in 2012 there were 3 specific seditious attempts to bring down the govt. The Ashby affair, the Craig Thomson demolition job, and the spurious linking of the PM to the AWU issue. All of them carefully orchestrated attempts to undermine our democracy. In a word, “disgraceful”!!!!!

  4. YES……BUT, how far does the corruption extend? The NSW and Vic. coppers (and the AFP?) have been compromised wrt to the Thomson arrest and related investigations – (Jacksonville), and in giving political support to abbott ‘s ravings on at least occasion..

  5. I looked into the sedition thing last year, and found the original definition had been changed to ‘Advocating the overthrow of a lawfully-elected Government by violent means’ ; but that amendment to the original legislation had never been put to the vote, so no-one really knows where we stand…but in the meantime it is open slather for the MSM

  6. Hi Min, not to split hairs but I believe on 30 May they are seeking leave to appeal and if leave is granted then the appeal hearing will go ahead virtually straight away. So there is at the moment no appeal. And at this stage I believe the only person seeking leave to appeal is Ashby’s lawyer.

  7. The chooks may be coming home to roost.

    Ballieu gone

    Newman can’t win a trick at the moment

    O’Farrell is “earning” a reputation

    Barnett is finding the re-election battle harder than expected

    The only thing the ALP has to do is point out the bleeding obvious without looking like saying “Look over there” or appearing to be above it. Paid advertising is the way to go – money talks (especially to Murdoch and Reinhardt). They can do it – but they need some discipline and focus.

  8. Min and Bob, sorry to split hairs even further, but here is the update to the story from IA:
    UPDATE: 2/3/13; 11am: It is said above the James Ashby has not sought leave to appeal. This is incorrect. Ashby has sought leave and both his and Harmer’s leave to appeal case will be heard in the Federal Court. Here is the Court’s online file: http://www.fedcourt.gov.au/case-management-services/access-to-files-and-transcripts/court-documents/ashby-v-commonwealth.
    The second (Harmer) and third (Ashby) documents are the Leave to appeal applications of Harmer and Ashby. The date of the court hearing is the 2nd and 3rd of May before their honours Mansfield, Siopis and Gilmore, Court 1, Level 21.

    The 30th may is the date set for the costs hearing for Slipper, against Ashby, and nothing to do with the leave to appeal.

    Cheers 😀

  9. The truth is that the AFP got the reasons for their suspension of the investigation very wrong 😯

    Fills you with confidence in our Federal Police Force doesn’t ti?

    Cheers 😀

  10. Yes, have for some while believed there is seditious intent. And no greasy defense or slippery protestations would convince me otherwise.
    The power playing influences of Machiavellian plotting and sub-plotting appear to be reaching everywhere and have become increasingly emboldened.
    It’s great that this is being talked about and exposed to scrutiny.

  11. At the risk of sounding spiteful, I hope leave to appeal is not granted and Ashby & Harmer are sent packing.

    I think the government should have sooled the feds onto Liealot, Brough, Prissy, Sloppy et al. If nothing else, it would probably have frightened the crap out of them.

    2353, I hope you’re right. Tip’s “audit” has a reek of major conflict of interest about it. I think Queenslanders will regret ever allowing Newman and his corrupt cohorts to get their hands on the family silver.

  12. Audit I would love to see in Queensland, is the one their treasury writes up. After all this is their role, and I assume independent of any government.

    No conflict of interest there. The same goes for the Fedaral government.

    Why has it not been released.

    Is not that what one should use to form budgets. Contracting it out to the likes of Costello does not seem right.

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  14. 2353 @ 9:20 pm

    You forgot the leadership spill in the NT.

    Wonder why most are ignoring the dysfunctional government going on up there.

  15. What is can’t do Newman up to, after winning the elections one of their main focuses was the CMC, they wanted big changes within the organisation, are they able to stack it with conservative mates.

  16. Is there seditious intent?

    Is that a trick question Migs 😉

    Why have the AFP stopped their investigation?

    It might be due to the Appeal lodged, although, technically, there is no reason for this, as Bob Lloyd points out above. But, perhaps it is to remove all doubt post Apeal about correctness as a perception, although that is being pretty lenient about their intentions imo.

    Consider how the Thom(P)son case finally got going, after multiple false starts (due to there being now actual evidence), and how now he has been charged, and the police appear to be still looking for evidence AFTER the charges have been laid.

    Then consider how Thom(P)son was arrested, and the pure co-incidence of it happening just as questions started in abbotts press club speech.

    Then there is Slipper, the AWU, and now, brough. And lets not forget abbott spruiking himself with the police (I don’t recall what it was about), while his car was parked in a disabled zone, with the police, standing next to his car, ignoring it (as did the media at large).

    Which makes what is being revealed in Victoria quite interesting, to say the least.

  17. Think Abbott for PM, think Stuntrunt (aka old money’s new man) on steroids (with his pitbull see’n-eye-dog Seeney) putting Oz into recession
    Think Abbott for PM, think Qld’s Joh era back again, but all over Australia. Groan.
    Abbott for PM=ugly govt(not superficial ugly)=loss of reason and fair go=ugly Australia=ugly country like USA=no going back

    What do the words “lies, lips-moving and liberal” have in common, besides the letter “L”?
    Would advise all the LNP’s (& MSM) with their pants on fire to sit in the ocean, except I don’t want a tsunami or exacerbate sea level rise

  18. And Science the gross failings of the Abbott government will be squarely blamed on Labor, that’s what the audit commissions are for. This is what’s happening in Queensland where I read right wing posters everywhere blaming Labor for what Newman “had to do to break his set in stone promises.”

    It’s the right wing answer to everything as it doesn’t require them to think too hard, or think at all for that matter, it’s Labor’s fault we’re stuffing up so badly and running underhanded dysfunctional governments.

  19. My “gut” feeling for months has been that the Liberal party, in collusion with the commercial media and press, has been overtly “seditious”. I, like many others it appears, went to the trouble of looking up the actual act to establish an accurate definition. But – how do individuals act to bring charges? It surely has to be brought by the Government?
    Thank you for bringing together some interesting writing. I’d also like to link to this piece: http://pbxmastragics.com/2013/03/03/among-the-true-believers/

    Which ends with the following postscript… “Yes, there is some breaking news… Tony Abbott has lunch at News Ltd HQ every week. Incredulous I asked the person to repeat it.

    “EVERY week, in private,” to discuss the latest “Get Gillard” strategies. No wonder there’s such a seamless segue between what News writes and what Abbott parrots. He’s dealing with the enemy. They’re writing the script for him.

    It’s not a fuck-up. It’s a fucking conspiracy.

    But, sources must remain confidential. I’m not going to tell youse just WHO told us that bit of news.

    I have it on the very highest authority, however, given without hesitation… in fact, volunteered by someone with no ostensible axe to grind, but should should know it to be true. It’s this person’s job to know Abbott’s movements, in detail.

    Remember:

    When they really ARE out to get you, it’s NOT paranoia.”

  20. The Liberal Party must be crushed by the Australian voters at the next election. If it isn’t, Australia will become a very, very dark place.

  21. It’s pretty obvious that sedition is going on, no question. So who brings the charges of sedition? Is it the government? Is the ordinary citizen who can see what’s going on?

  22. More trouble in Victorian Liars politics. This from Lyn’s links at TPS. And guess whatr? This bloke is also a “devout Christian” ala the rest of the happy clappers and feral catholics infesting the Liars Party.

    Some Christians, I guess Shaw and the rest of the Liars didn’t get to the bit in the bible where it says you mustn’t lie, cheat, steal and covet the neighbour’s tenancy in the Lodge.

    And I’d say they tore out the page of their bibles dealing with rich men, camels and the eyes of needles. 😀

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/geoff-shaw-mp-the-frankstonstein-monster-part-1/

  23. Yes jane, these Liberals are just so much more squeaky clean than their Labor counterparts according to the Liberal and National supporters. They are so unbelievably ideologically brainwashed and gormless, always espousing how wonderful their very flawed and dysfunctional parties are.

  24. ME, it’s quite astonishing the amount of corruption in the Liars Party at all levels and the sheer number of Liars and their stooges in the msm in it up to their scrawny necks. And God botherers almost to a man.

    Puts Mr Obeid to shame, imo. There’s just him in a sea of LNP urgers, touts and downright crooks.

    And they’re all spinning as fast as they can to paper the cracks and chuck the fairy dust in the eyes of their barrackers.

    You’d think one of them would find the endlessly repeated “Labor made me do it” meme a little tired and suspect eventually. But I suppose it’s easier for them to believe yet another lie than face up to the truth.

    However, it is remarkable that in almost every Liars held state, the natives are getting pretty restless after less than one term in government. Must make even the most ardent barracker a little uneasy, one would think.

  25. Ha.”Voting for Tony Abbott because you hate Julia Gillard is like eating shit because you hate spinach.” Anon … 😆 😆 😆

  26. It’s bloody disheartening when you look at the results of the Western Australia state elections.

  27. I think that the WA results were expected. Disappointing, but not surprising.

    As far as I’m aware, Barnett hasn’t behaved as stupidly as Newman and apart from the creature Buswell, hasn’t had the same problems wrt overt and very public corruption as in Victoria.

    I’m quite sure that his is no different from other Liars governments, but he’s been able to keep it under wraps and as long as the mining royalties keep rolling in, the bulk of the WA electorate will most likely turn a blind eye to even the most outrageous corruption.

    However, I have no doubt that the Barnett government will make WA Inc, look like a kindy incident. You can rely on the Liars to be corrupt.

    I’d like to read patricia’s take on the election.

  28. Democracy has been privatised in the west. (.. thats my $2 per hr’s worth on this subject)
    Gareth Parker (G_Parker)
    Oddest well wisher at Colin Barnett’s Cottesloe victory shindig: Lord Christopher Monckton. Seriously. #wapol #wavotes
    ….seems WA is now leading the charge towards the Tipping Point 😦
    …one wonders if Gina will now start wearing a crown around town……. WA people have been pwned by Gina’s and Rupert’s MSM…… one wonders when the first lot of WA boat people will turn up on Xmas Isle….. one wonders will the islands authorities will be heartless enough to turn them back.

  29. Miglo, maybe some should listen to that speech by the Labor leader in WA. He said what you pointed out.

    Yes we put up a good fight, now is the time to look to the future. This he said in a very positive way. He went on to say what he intended to do for the future, after thanking all, including the voters. I was impressed.

    We have somehow forgotten there are always losers and winners, but there is always the next race.

    Winning is not all. Knowing how to lose is just as important.

    The means and ways are also important. In sport, we do not admire the cheat or bad sport.

    Why do we then reward such people in politics. Why cannot a nice man succeed. Not that I believe the Victorian premier was disposed because of his niceness.

    This is what those from the right do not. or cannot comprehend. Yes, on September, Labor might lose, so what. That is what the race is all about. Mr. Abbott might also trip badly over his own feet. Who knows.

    What happened in the West, is what usually happens in the Australian electoral cycle. Australian generally give a one term government another chance. In doing so, the margin increased.

    Now it is said, that the Liberals focus their campaign on the PM. Maybe they will also become quickly disillusioned. Who knows.

    It was the results for the Greens that was more interesting. In many areas, the swing was against them, except for in one area, they had the biggest swing to them.

    A question to pose, if the PM is on the nose in the west, and that is why the vote is so bad in the state sphere, why not is it not the same in VIctoria, where it is the state government on the nose, I believe also in Queensland there is a trend back to Labor..

    Why is it in this country, when one looks back to great PMs and great reforms, all that is ever mentioned, are those from Labor. Whether in bad times, either economic or war. Why is it, when one thinks back, most of these leaders were hated by many, and precieved to be bad at the time.

    Most have trouble recalling the names of PMs from the right. Anyone can name the Labor PMs, especially post war 11.

    Why are there many more books written about Labor leaders, that Liberal leaders. I believe they sell better as well.

  30. Fed up, you’re absolutely right. The WA result was to be expected especially as there have been no major scandals to upset voters and as I pointed out above, as long as the royalties keep rolling in, the WA electorates will keep voting Liars.

    Unfortunately, I think that no matter how huge the scandal, the majority will keep voting the same government in until their pockets start to suffer. Brian Burke is a prime example.

    That’s not only true for WA, of course. The JBP government is a notorious example of corruption gone mad and being returned time after time.

    And as Bacchus says, a -2.3% swing is not a disaster, in fact it has probably given Labor a boost in confidence.

    The other thing to be remarked on is the dignified and gracious speech conceding defeat by the Labor leader.

    Contrast that with the Liars’ shrill tantrums and continued juvenile spiteful bad sportsmanship wrt losing the 2010 election. Even school children don’t behave in such an ugly and spiteful way and if they do are very quickly brought into line.

    It says a lot about the Liars and the Labor Parties; one lot spiteful, nasty, juvenile bad losers, the other able to accept defeat with grace and humility and examine the defeat with a view to improve their policies.

  31. I am at the Sydney airport conducting interviews for my next post. The mainstream media always find people who dislike Julia Gillard. I’m seeking the thoughts of people who dislike Tony Abbott. You know, those people whose opinions never find their way to the MSM.

  32. Miglo, I am sure that your task will not be too tedious.

    By the way, if they reply by saying they hate the PM, ask why? Most get lost at this stage, or the next question, when did she lie?

    Good luck.

  33. Migs, I am surprised, that in your travel, you have not come across the great man himself,

    I am sure that sometime today, you will find him in your midst.

    Maybe you can find out who pays for his and the girls tickets.

  34. Fed up @3.13pm, I agree. Now that Barnett has government in hos own right,I think the people of WA, may live to regret their decision to give him free rein.

    I may be misjudging the fellow, but he is a Liar and they’re all cut from the same cloth, imo.

  35. Well jane he never delivered on any of his last election promises and in fact made them over again as though they were new.

    WA has reaped what it has sowed like Queensland and will learn the hard way what they have done.

  36. Möbius, sadly in the West they suffer more than most from an extremely one sided opinion..Murdoch’s opinion or nothing.

  37. I should add, from friends in WA many have seen house prices plummet due to the housing market having gone through the roof at the peak of the mining boom. At times of insecurity, it is often the devil that you know.

  38. ME, as I said to Fed up, the good burghers of WA will ignore all signs that there is something rotten in the state of mining royalties, as long as the royalties keep rolling in.

    To be fair, WA Inc has laid a dark and extensive stain over WA Labor and they’re probably still smarting a bit.

    However, if that sensitive hip pocket nerve gets a touch up, they will be quick to judge.

    I think Min @7.28pm has pretty much hit the nail on the head.

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