The conspiracy is well and truly unplugged

Three days ago I posted Revealed! The media conspiracy against the Government, the basis behind this conspiracy being that:

“The Murdoch media has been leaning to the right since the Whitlam days but the anti-Labor meme was really ramped up just before the 2010 election. The catalyst was Murdoch’s luncheon with Tony Abbott, where the NBN (National Broadband Network) must have been the main talking point as the very next day Abbott publicly announced that he’d rip up the NBN”.

My post raised a few eyebrows as well as attracting a number of sniggers, as one would expect. However, the appearance of this brilliant piece by Kieran Cummings the very next day, Why Murdoch’s media is gunning for your NBN got to the heart of the matter. The article kicks off with:

It seems a day doesn’t go by where articles are being posted to News Limited (Murdoch) websites with nothing but negative spin for the NBN. Most, if not all, are founded on poorly constructed arguments that ignore technology & the reality. They all seem to point to one solution: anything the Coalition are saying they’ll deploy.

While this does reek of patent bias amongst Murdoch’s Australian arm, I feel this goes a little deeper than just wanting a Coalition government, but a fear of becoming obsolete in the age of IPTV (Internet Protocol Television).

And yesterday evening, anybody listening to Radio Nation’s Drive program would have heard the Shadow Minister for Communications and Broadband, Malcolm Turnbull say that because of the likelihood of change of Government in September, the NBN Co should not be entering into any further contracts.

It’s all coming together, isn’t it?

106 comments on “The conspiracy is well and truly unplugged

  1. “Because of the likelihood of a change of Government in September, the NBN Co should not be entering into any further contracts.”

    They would be breaking the law not to do so.

  2. And the Murdoch owned NBN is just the platform he needs for his “saving public education” IT company.

    And after 5 years of no education statements the shadow minister Pyne finally spoke:

    “Mr Pyne said the first thing he would do in government would be to establish a ministerial advisory group to advise him ”on the best model for teaching in the world”.

    He would ask the advisory group how the Coalition might ”bring out more practical teaching methods based on more didactic teaching methods, more traditional methods rather than the child-centred learning that has dominated the system for the last 20, 30 or 40 years”.

    Read more:

    NBN- Murdoch- Education = what a practical teaching method, didactic too, just follow the lessons as instructed by Rupert Murdoch

  3. It is going to be fun, watching Mr. Abbott trailing the PM through the streets of western Sydney. I hope it will not be with menance.

    Mr. Hadley says that the police will be stopping traffic, to allow the PM a free run. If she is staying at Rooty Hill, I see no need for this.

    By the way, the PM is paying for her accommodation.

    Who has paid for the campaigning that Abbott has done for the last two and half years.

    Now another disgrace, Mr. Abbott has gone west from his home in Sydne 47 times. This means that the PM has neglected this part of the world, only vsiting 17 times.

    We can ignore the fact, that the PM has been busy running the country at the same time.

    Now, we know that Mr. Abbbott has spent his time, doing one thing, and one thing only. That is a daily stunts and three words slogans, fro

    Mr. Abbott has been so focus, that we know he has had not even had the time to read important documents. Not even while on a plane to London.

    Will some one tell Mr. Morrison, that the refugee charge with attacking that girl does not live on the grounds. He came from elswewhere, and that he has been charged, making the matter sub judice.

    Yes, next week will be pure comdey, I believe.


  4. Scaper if you ask me that in the past, I would have said, no.

    Since the advent of Mr. Abbott, I am afraid the answer is yes.

    If is is not so, scaper, have you any other explanation for the present state of affairs.

    Not only do the opposition appear to have control of the media, but I have great concerns about their relationship with the police in the eastern states.

    How does one explain the police postponing any investigation into Bough until after Ashby leave to appeal hearing. This has nothing to do with the Ashby matter.

  5. Abbott gives his speech to Uni today saying that courses should be delivered by the Internet and he wants to trash the NBN. Going to be great listening stuttering lecturers on wireless broadband and ADSL 1&2 on broken down copper.

  6. scaper, we do know what Mr. Murdoch has done int the UK. How many arrested so far?

    Looks like he and his son, will find themselves in court as witnesses.

    scaper, I would not put anything past this mob.

  7. Rupert Murdoch is one man with too much power in the media world. Malcolm Turnbull needs to understand that the election is not until September and the writs dissolving Parliament have not been issued yet, hence he is premature. There is no way I will vote Liberal and all he is doing is wanting his job to be easier should the idiot from Warringah win the election.

  8. Do you really believe this conspiracy theory?

    What, the one above about the bias in murdochs papers.

    Do you believe that they are not biased in their reporting?

  9. So what is Murdoch’s puppet Abbott going to do about places like Kiama on the South Coast of NSW, one of the first to have the NBN.

    For the first time I saw a very positive news story on WIN about the significant benefit the NBN has bought to Kiama and surrounding areas. The South Coast is one of the highest unemployment areas in Australia and has difficulty attracting modern businesses and services.

    Since the installation of the NBN in Kiama there has been a mini boom in IT startups and other high tech enterprises have relocated to Kiama from around the country.

    This is what Murdoch’s puppet wants to trash purely for the benefit of his master.

    On another note The Australian has a headline that Abbott will change IR on getting into power and no matter what it’s called it certainly looks like WorkChoices.

    If that happens it will be the greatest lie outside or Iraq foisted on the Australian people. But I bet that none of the right wingers will call Abbott on his massive lie and many will make excuses for him.

  10. If you believe the MSM and now Turnbull, all us “deluded” ALP supporters, should just go out and cap ourselves to save the embarrassment of political annihilation in 6 months time……. They wish 😀

    It’s not over till the fat lady sings, and I for one can’t wait for Gina to be squealing like a stuck pig, when Abbott and his right wing nut jobs get done over! 😆

    Cheers 😀

  11. Yea, I read turnbull reckons that since they are going to win the next election, NBN shouldn’t enter in any new contracts. The problem is, that has pretty much been their stance since the election. Nothing should be done until the real rulers get back in.

    As for the ‘conspiracies’, after gretch and ashby, no conspiracy is too far fetched now. I put nothing past them. (and by them I mean the opposition and the media)

  12. I think the criticism of NBN is twofold.
    One of huge delays and the other of massive cost over runs.
    This is demonstratable .
    Maybe the ‘Republic of Rooty Hill’ can make a statement on NBN
    progress and spending between their campaign stops next week.

  13. Mig. Governments should not be owners and manufacturers of national communications companies. The governments role is to encourage and facilitate private experienced companies to do the work and at the same time create intense competition between these companies. This government is a serial failure when it comes to delivery of projects so lets not hold our breath that this project is going to be delivered in a scintillating contrasting manner to other projects..
    NBN is going to be an absolute clanger for Gillard as we get to September. Even though the tens of billions of government borrowed money are shielded in a shelf company, the progress financial reports will be devastating. Don’t forget Telstra/Foxtel and Optus got burnt trying to roll out the same fibre optic network back in the 1980s.
    Even if there was a sound business plan and the rollout was not tainted by government hands on the controls, it would be a tough tough project to succeed financially.
    Tyrrany of distance, small population and many cheap viable wireless alternatives converge to make this another electoral train wreck for Gillard.

  14. “This is demonstratable (sic).”

    Can you please demonstrate the “huge” delays and “massive” cost over runs in the NBN roll out without sourcing the lies and exaggerations of Ltd News or other right wing references.

    The only delay so far was the one caused by the protracted negotiations with Telstra, and they are fully documented and explained. Take that out and for a project of it’s complexity and size it is doing remarkably well. Much like the BER. The largest every infrastructure program ever undertaken in this country, rolled out in the shortest time for any major project and having a 97% success rate. A success rate the company I work for and any major business would love to have for projects a fraction of the size.

    To illustrate the nonsense of your statement. Not one of Howard’s programs were on time or cost. Out of 20 major Defence contracts he had the most of any government that were over cost and time, and the most by the largest margin overruns.

    The current Liberal governments are failing in bringing in programs within cost or time yet I haven’t seen one criticism from you over them, especially since they promised many times they would not be like the Labor governments they replaced and would ensure they met costs and deadlines. O’Farrell is doing worse than the government he replaced and every Liberal State government is sending their economies backwards whilst the Federal Labor government has improved and steadied the National economy with the NBN set to improve that, until Abbott gets his hands on it and gives it to his master Murdoch that is.

    So Voyager why do you support Murdoch having control of such vitally important tax payer funded infrastructure to the detriment of the population as a whole?

    You need only look at how Howard/Costello stuffed up the structuring and sale of Telstra to see a precedent, one that the giving of the NBN to Murdoch will make look like a flea on an elephant.

  15. “Tyrrany of distance, small population and many cheap viable wireless alternatives converge to make this another electoral train wreck for Gillard.”

    Bollocks Tweed.

    Ignorance in spades. Just for starters the tyranny of distance makes wireless less viable than fibre. Next it is fibre that feeds most of the wireless towers, something the NBN will improve to a very large degree.

    NBN will be as cheap or cheaper than wireless and more reliable, so that throws the contention of cheap wireless out the door.

    Wireless is limited and the more that use it the less efficient it becomes. That is not the case for the NBN, which is now capable of speeds of 1000Mb/s, something wireless on the same scale can’t match.

    Methinks you read too many deceptive right wing sources on this subject and not the facts of it.

  16. Oh blow the NBN or other distractions.
    It must be all the unsettled weather has really got the bookies going.
    Current odds at Centrebet are:
    Coalition $1.13
    ALP $5.60
    Winds of change , maybe blame that WA cyclone.
    All of you committed CW’s time to place your bets bigger the better on Labor
    instead of just mouthing off .

  17. Oh blow the NBN or other distractions.

    Oh blow anything I can’t argue effectively lol

    (btw, my bet was placed almost a year ago)

  18. Yep, facts and honesty get them every time. Just throw in a meaningless diversion of betting or anything that distracts from the utter failings of the Liberal party, especially the one under Abbott, and their blind conservative ideology.

    I cannot understand why they want this country to go backwards, for Australians to suffer hardship under a Liberal government’s failings and to see the power controlling the country to be in the hands of such a tiny handful of powerful individuals to the detriment of the nation.

    When it does go backwards under an Abbott government if he wins these very same gormless ideological wingnuts will be making excuses and still blaming Labor, nothing is more certain. And again they will ignore the facts and honesty showing the failings of a Coalition government.

  19. I cannot understand why they want this country to go backwards

    Cos back then, the ‘haves’ had more, at the expense of the ‘have nots’.

  20. Yep, when the LibTards can’t argue on the *facts*, just throw out a betting odds post to throw everyone off the scent. Just like their Lords & Masters in the Liberal Party itself, they just can’t come up with anything original.

    I’d love to know why the Lunar Right things its OK for private companies-with a profit driven agenda-should have control of vital national infrastructure-be it roads, rail, telecommunications or energy. That does make us overly prone to market-based terrorism & blackmail, doesn’t it? Privatization of Telstra marked the downfall of Australia’s telecommunication system, as the infrastructure was thoroughly neglected for the better part of 15 years!

  21. YepTom, these Liberal governments are all above board and honest unlike the Labor ones they replaced.

    What a crock, they’re as crook or more so. The difference is the Liberals are protected by the media and vested interests as much as possible whereas every utterance and move by Labor is screamed across the headlines, and if there is nothing to scream about they make it up.

  22. Wonder what Voyager and Tweed will have to say about this? Probably another update to the betting market.

    Coalition broadband plan: $15+ billion and a $3000 connection fee

    The Coalition has confirmed it would make Australians pay as much as $3,000 if they wanted to connect to superfast broadband, the Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Senator Stephen Conroy said today.

    “Mr Turnbull’s latest idea is to make Australians who want fibre connected direct to their homes and businesses to pay for it themselves,” Senator Conroy said.

    “I have seen estimates that if this approach was adopted in Australia it could cost as much as $3,000 to get connected.

    “This user-pays fee for high-speed broadband is on top of the $15+ billion cost to the Australian taxpayer of the Coalition’s copper-to-the-home broadband plan.

    I hope Voyager and Tweed are in the top money earners in the country because under Abbott their the only ones who will be able to afford fast quality broadband, unlike everyone under the NBN.

    The two tiered system is being mooted for the US where the congestion of the network is limiting its service. The plan is to have high speed reliable broadband at a premium cost and the rest to struggle with a low speed unreliable network.

  23. Story is Abbott is planning to leave IR off the agenda then ease in WorkChoices if he wins.

  24. Mobius, then the challenge for Labor will be to remind the public at every available opportunity what Abbott’s “flexible workplace” will mean to them.

  25. Thank you so much Miglo for your great articles and tireless efforts in these dark days.
    It seems we are surrounded in Oz by Murdoch’s sock puppets. They are so brazenly, desperately and criminally throwing everything they have at seizing control of this nation.
    But I, the commenters here (trolls excepted) and many, many others are not surrendering types. If more people knew what is really going on there would be a huge revolt. Yet another reason for their palpable desperation over the completed roll out of NBN. Time and again in history progress which was good overall for the people was stymied, hindered, subverted and opposed by self interested elites, but they didn’t win out over time and the world did move on. Control only seems to work to a point then forces of change arise and real progress stumbles on. I like to visualise Murdoch et al trying to hold back a tsunami with their puny, selfish motives and egos. And hopefully the completed NBN will be part of that tsunami of knowledge, education, information and communication.

  26. Liberals just can’t help lying can they. it’s their core, their very being.

    Chris Pyne on Today Channel 9. “Tony Abbott practically lives in Western Sydney”. Lisa Wilkinson’s response. “No he doesn’t, he lives in Manly”.

    She should have added with a Million dollar mortgage he’s always complaining about and excellent remuneration he states isn’t anywhere near enough for the job he does.

  27. Moby. Do some more research before you respond next time. Google Microwave. This is a long term broadband strategy used by all and sundry to move data, read TV transmissions, data, communications, all around the country. Wireless is not just your humble WiFi at home. Have a look at any high point in any town and you will see a cluster of receivers and transmitters moving data over Microwave broadband. The data criscrosses the country and between cities without turning a sod.
    Fibre Optic has been in use for 30 years. Great product and used by all the telcos to connect their exchanges and many of their towers already.
    Where the NBN will be the train wreck I mentioned is that it is run by government, is blinkered to different technologies and is putting all bets on the one technology.
    The dumbos in government always try to force that square peg into the round hole.
    All the Dumbo Conroy has to do is think laterally and exploit the many broadband technologies that are out there and select the one that suits the particular circumstance. Horses for courses. Digging up every front yard and trying to get the blue cable to every apartment and flat and office in Australia is stupidity in the extreme.
    At the end of the day Moby a chunk of the population is going to choose the adequate $29.95 service over the $59.95 high speed service. This is a real achilles heal for NBN.

  28. Here’s Costello’s final reportsnow job from the Queensland Audit Commission. Remember Abbott has promised to undertake the same snow job.

    Costello has only gotten away with this crap because the MSM have not bothered to pull him up on any one of his many glaring errors and deliberate distortions in the report, that has been left up to a handful of economists in the 5th Estate to do that whilst the media have ignored their findings of glaring mistakes in the reports.

    Abbott will also use Costello and conduct a snow job the media will ignore. The right wing supporters believe this deception is perfectly OK because it’s the Liberals doing it. Labor misses one dot on an i and they are up in arms calling for them to be dismissed.

  29. … Moby sorry to include. Tyrrany of distance is an issue if you want to run the little blue cable undergroud all accross Australia. Re red the comments on Microwave transmissions.
    Humour me. Google for an hour before you respond.
    oh… and BTW I have installed a commercial high speed broadband Mcrowave network linking multiple remote sites. I already have better than NBN at a fraction of the cost. Mate it is magic.

  30. I’d just like to gently remind folks that the time being given to us by the PM is so that it will expose the LOTO and LNP and their so called policies for just what they are.
    They are bringing in nothing new, just rehashed John Howard policies.

    As for the media propaganda warfare being dumped all over us, well, at least we recognize it for what it is and it is up to everyone who ever read about how the Nazi party or the Italian gov. was formed and for that matter, any other gov. since that time.

    The NBN being rolled out to everyone is one of the most important infrastructures that will affect all walks of life. It will also, because it will be fast, disseminate information to us all. What would happen if Murdoch got hold of the NBN? I shudder to think.

  31. Oh please Tweed I have Googled and no need to humour you at all. You humour us all by you inane twattle here.

    So please enlighten us to what and where this much cheaper better than NBN is and the magic of it? Is it possible for you to give us a break down and the full coverage of it?

  32. It is about time these LNP. traitors were dragged before the courts for treason!…I would have thought conspiring to do damage to a nation politically and economically was treason of the first order….What sort of low filth would support such scum?………….Oh!..hello Tweed, Voyager, el gordo, Treeman!

  33. Tweed can you tell us the full capacity of your cheaper and better than NBN system is and will it cover greater than 90% the entire nation at much cheaper than NBN rates?

    Also if it’s so good and cheap why are the Liberals planning to role out a more expensive option with less coverage?

  34. OoooH!..I get it!..Here we are talking about the “NBN.” : National Broadband..and there is Tweed talking about HIS NBN. : National Biscuit…!
    “I already have better than NBN at a fraction of the cost. Mate it is magic.”

  35. The disadvantages of wireless broadband.

    1. It’s more difficult to setup properly
    2. It has a greater risk of outsiders accessing your network unless robust security protocols are enabled
    3. It is slower than a wired network. 2 – 50 times slower.
    4. The network is less stable. Wireless reception may be impaired by a number of factors including large distances or objects between wireless devices, and other wireless networks.
    5. Value-for-money. It is considered expensive for the quality service it gives

    And you treat the NBN and Wireless as an either/or Tweed. Something the right wing do a lot, couch things as black and white or non-mutually beneficial. They have a lot of trouble walking and eating gum at the same time.

    I know what wireless is Tweed so stop treating others you haven’t a clue about as being dumb, it just makes you look like an idiot.

  36. I already have better than NBN at a fraction of the cost.

    Put up or shut up time “Tweed”
    – How is this wonderful service delivered? (over what medium)
    – Who is your ISP?
    – What are the up and download speeds?
    – Post the output from as proof…

  37. Costello, the most wasteful treasurer in two hundred years, should pull his head in.

    Australia’s most needlessly wasteful spending took place under the John Howard-led Coalition government rather than under the Whitlam, Rudd or Gillard Labor governments, an international study has found.

    The International Monetary Fund examined 200 years of government financial records across 55 leading economies.

    Peter Martin, The Age, 11 January 2013

  38. Tweed, I am very interested. Can you post a copy of the plan, and your latest bill. If you do this, we may get to know what you are talking about.

  39. Mr. Abbott is mouthing off about making schools more internet savvy.

    He is indeed lucky the the PM when minister for Education launched the BER revolution.

    He will be glad to find that schools today have the state of the art science, language laboratories, and library facilities.

    Those electronic whiteboards in each class room will also be of use.

    Yes, all the computer equipment the PM ensured every school got will come in handy.

    The NBNco will be the icing on the cake.

    Yes, Mr. Abbott will be surprised that this PM has bought educational facilities into this century.

  40. You need to ask one of the admins nicely to have pics posted jaycee – they’re the only ones with the power 🙂

  41. In 1851 the colonial governments of New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia agreed to standardise their rail systems – a win for commonsense that would avoid any problems if their railway systems ever managed to meet.

    Within two years the New South Wales government had abandoned that agreement and went ahead with totally different railway gauge. A 150 years later Australia is still struggling with the consequences of one dumb infrastructure decision.

    Today, in the second decade of the 21st Century, Australia is on the cusp of making a similar ill thought out choice with the nation’s telecommunications infrastructure. Instead of railway gauges, Australia now risks having a telecommunications change of gauge at the end of every suburban street and, in some cases, having properties on one street having to rely on four different communications technologies.

    The proposal of using existing infrastructure will saddle the country with a hodge-potch of technologies. Some areas will get fibre while others will have to make do with the Pay-TV cables and the bulk of the country will either keep the copper network or fight over shared wireless connections.

    Some will have a mix of all of them – it’s not hard to see a scenario where four adjacent properties have to settle for totally different services due to the limitations of the different technologies.

    At root of Australia’s telecommunications mess lies thirty years of political expedience, ill thought out ideology and downright incompetence posing as policy by the Hawke, Keating and Howard governments.

    The Rudd government and Senator Conroy should at least be credited with trying to unscramble the mess created by previous Liberal and Labor administrations. In fact, the $36 billion price tag for the NBN is not particularly high when compared to other infrastructure spending.

    Australian governme……………………………………

  42. Writer Richard Chirgwin recently measured the capital expenses incurred by Telstra and Optus over the last decade at $47 billion, while that includes investment in mobile networks it illustrates the cost of connecting the nation to fibre are not excessive.

    Operating that fibre network also appears reasonable with NBN Co expecting to spend $3 billion a year on running and maintaining the network. This compares to Telstra’s $15 billion in operating costs in 2012.

    In talking about the 2013 election being a referendum on the NBN, the Labor party’s policy in the 2010 poll was clearly to deliver fibre to the premises.

    That policy won sufficient seats in Tasmania for the ALP to have a claim on government and it was the guarantee of broadband to the bush that swung the New South Wales independents to support the Gillard government.

    The referendum on the NBN was the 2010 election and the matter is settled, which makes NBNCo’s CEO Mike Quigley opening a debate on the project’s construction last week all the more bizarre….

    This is what is important. The cost of running the system.

    Vodaphone is moving it;s operation from overseas to Tasmania, To take advantage of NBNco. That is hundred of jobs.

    Emphasis mine.

  43. Moby. So you can’t accuse me of giving you a personal example that can’t be verified, I suggest you phone any of the FTA TV channels, including ABC and SBS and ask them how they send their programs, after production, to transmission towers in the Capital Cities.

    Click to access High-Speed%20Licensed%20Microwave%20Radio%20WAN,%20Ballina%20Shire%20Council,%20NSW.pdf

    Click to access Case%20Study_Bureau%20of%20Meteorology.pdf

  44. Who would one rather have living next door.

    Mr. Morrison or Mr. Bernadi. or an asylum seeker?

  45. FFS Tweed you really are showing your ignorance.

    Can you tell us what frequency band those TV stations use and the band used for the wireless network?

    Can you tell us the coverage of those TV stations which use point to point wireless data to the huge transmission towers on the highest points in an area and the repeaters for to get the TV to the remoter areas?

    Can you tell us the difference between that and the wireless network, including the range and power differences along with the cellular network towers required?

    Can you tell us the difference between one way through air transmission like radio and TV and two way like wireless networking, and the effect increasing the number of users on a the latter has?

    Can you tell us your wireless plan and how it is cheaper and faster than the NBN something you still haven’t answered?

    The NBN is now capable of 1000Mb/s though the best plan currently is still 100Mb/s. Can you tell us the speed you are getting in comparison?

    Do you even know how wireless networking works and the breakthrough by the CSIRO that made it possible? Until that breakthrough TV and radio along with many other forms of wireless data existed, but wireless networking wasn’t possible. That is still a limitation of wireless networking which is why there is Point 4. in disadvantages.

    Not only doesn’t fibre have that or any of the other disadvantages of wireless, it has a quantitative increase in bandwidth, something that in the exponential increase in networking take up and data throughput is very important.

    And I have said. Wireless and fibre are not mutually exclusive, they are very complimentary, with fibre enhancing wireless considerably and wireless filling the few gaps that the NBN can’t cover.

    But take out the NBN and you will have a deficient and degrading system that will eventually not be able to meet the demand.

    Don’t forget the Liberals don’t want to get rid of the NBN, they want to bring in a more expensive and complicated conglomeration of systems including keeping considerable parts of the crumbling copper whilst giving the fibre to Murdoch.

    If the NBN is so bad why has Turnbull invested quite heavily in two equivalent systems overseas?

  46. Haha just read the SAF information.

    What a laugh. It’s not a network for all users over a large area at a cheap price, it’s a very limited range three hop dedicated single purpose directional WAN for the Ballina council only.

    The cost would be considerable and the public don’t get to use it.

    You have to do much better than that to make your point.

  47. By the way if the Ballina council had the NBN they could do the same thing cheaper and more reliably.

    Just read an online article in the Ballina Shire Advocate giving the roll out of the NBN for Northern NSW and Southern Queensland. They certainly don’t seem to be canning it at all.

  48. The other thing about those SAF pages – they’re all being used for links between sites, not for the end user to ISP connection. It’s like comparing backhaul between POIs of the NBN with the fibre between the node & the home.

    In the NBN design, backhaul between fixed wireless base stations and fibre access nodes can and often does use microwave links…

  49. Tweed you have no idea what you are talking about. Telstra was a profitable government utility wholesaling to resellers. Then the libs sold it for mo net game and stuffed the industry and infrastructure roll out because market forces did nothing. Maybe you might like to read my article to get your facts straight. Wireless? Your a luddite goose out of your depth.

  50. The taxpayer funded public broadcaster living up to its new name of Abbott’s Broadcasting Corporation here in Adelaide tonite. Getting right in with Mr Abbott explaining that Labor’s lost control, etc, etc, no criticism of Abbott’s stance on the whole notification of asylum seekers thing. Presenting Abbott up front with a lukewarm quote from Labor portrayed as defensive. They’re getting quite good at creating the idea of Mr Abbott the Prime Minister locked out of the Lodge by that usurping harridan.
    Getting to the Turnbull quote at the start of the thread the ABC now often slides in something along the lines of “if the government survives long enough to implement…” & perhaps we should just put the country on hold until Mr Abbott can assume his rightful place.
    It’s all, all, about Abbott, both in his head & in those of his support group. This evening the local TV gave the state Fibral opposition leader a fair bastard of a time. Other stuff was presented critically. But Tony gets his usual featherbed ride. He’s promised people that’s for sure… He’s probably done what he does in public & promised whatever his audience (in this case a private one) wants to hear. The ructions are going to be fearful as he tries to deliver on his contradictory promises.

  51. Torch Boy. Good to see you back. Buddy. Just to clarify, when we are discussing broadband data transfer (voice, video TV etc) by Microwave, we are not talking of the little box in your kitchen that beeps when your oats are done. Yes it is the same microwave that is used for long distance data transfer……just a different application Torch Boy. Microwave Oats and Microwave Broadband. Same technology just different applications.
    We are talking about Broadband Transmission that has been the mainstay of long distance communications and transfer of analogue and digital for only the last 40 or 50 years.
    And BSA. I agree with you.
    More evidence of the MSM conspiracy has arisen. Now ReachTel and the Age have been nobbled.
    Where will it end. How can those pollsters at ReachTel continue to spread untruths and still sleep at night.

  52. Moby.
    I wish I could be in your living room and draw you a little diagram. Microwave is an alternative to digging up miles of earth to run the little blue cable. It brings data to a point cheaply and efficiently. The little blue cable is brilliant and derivatives of fibre have been brilliant for 30 years. What the the Dickhead Conroy and the warm inner glow nutters in the Labor Party have a fixation about is having a blinkered view of using available technologies.
    The sensible approach is to use the best available technology to get the massive data between points then distribute from those points via wireless. This is Turnbull’s policy.
    Dickhead Conroy wants to run the little blue cable up every street across every front lawn, into every highrise to every apartment, under every cobblestone in every inner city lane to every little Federation workers cottage. All doable of course but a dickhead idea because Conroy can’t get it into his head to use all available technologies……. and the reason why? … because it would mean he would have to agree with Abbott and Turnbull’s plan.
    I’m not often wrong on this blog Moby. I predict the cost blow outs in the NBN around election time will seal the voter perception that Labor should never never ever ever be left in charge of the cash and never never ever ever be allowed to attempt delivery of infrastructure.

  53. Tweed honesty, stop living in the 80’s your obsession with microwave is rediculous. You old T&D techs have to accept that we have moved on. Your political brain is overiding your technical brain. Turnbull is nowhere on the NBN desigh. Are you seriously advocateing the interconnection of aging emperical technologies? It’s time to build, we need a high speed modern train not a restored steam train. When we started installing 64 meg fiber trunking in the 80’s we did not say oh , but we have microwave,its too expensive let’s use coax… Nobody in the industry is seriously considering microwave in fact this network is using fiber to eliminate the use of microwave an ageing, limited and dangerous technology.

  54. Tweed you really are full of yourself.

    Migs knows what field I work in and it’s microwave, mostly radar but other microwave systems as well along with some EO. I have a diploma in advanced microwave engineering from my Defence days and used to work in the Elint field. Though I haven’t touched them in a long time.

    You don’t have to draw me pictures, I’m familiar with Leroy Van Brunt and Skolnik. I’m still a member of AOC.

    So don’t be condescending with those you nothing about, and as Ricky says please stop living in the past.

    What you state isn’t Turnbull’s policy at all. Their policy is an expensive mishmash with the main one being to hand the NBN to Murdoch, which you seem to be perfectly OK with. On any analysis it’s less efficient, less reliable, more expensive to maintain and update, and more complex for in most cases and inferior outcome. That’s even if you can call it a policy as there is so many gaps and missing detail, including the funding, that it really is just another Abbott brain fart he’s told an unbelieving Turnbull to sell.

    As to digging up the ground in most areas that has to be done anyway to replace the ageing and failing copper. Plus putting this type of infrastructure underground makes is less vulnerable and more durable. That is something you can’t do with microwave.

    On top of that the microwave frequency bands are becoming ever more crowded and this is causing considerable problems, especially in RF dense areas like the US and Europe, but Australia will also face it. There is massive research going on in photonics for the RF field because of that and this is definitely the way of the future. Guess what photonics uses, fibre optics.

    If that wasn’t enough there is currently a huge demand for RF components world wide, which means long lead times and makes them increasingly more expensive.

    Anyway this is all interesting but off topic.

  55. Moby.. Congratulations you get it mate. Firstly the spectrum is as full as a public school. Secondly why FFS does this obsession with
    A: money,
    B:but we have this lying around in the shed lets use this, it worked fine in my day,
    C: near enough today is good enough,
    D:I don’t see the need so its bullshit
    Dominate the argument? Its becoming ludicrous, I’m reading tweeds argument and thinking I’m back at Waverly tower in 1985…

    As a former employee of two pioneering Telecommunications manufacturing companies that are both now toast my disgust is for the lack of vision of the hypocrites that brag about Aussie innovation waving the flag while they ruin the country I love. The reason I left the industry broken hearted, dejected and frustrated is precisely because of this stupidity of a circular groundhog day of political blinkered idiocy. A retired guy I know at the club that worked for T&D said we shouldn’t build anything because we cant afford it, I just shook my head and said we cant afford not to.

    This is not about politics its about nation building

  56. Dream on Torch Boy.
    Do you think we will get to September 14th? Looking less likely by the hour….

  57. 😆 Comprehensively pwned by Ricky & Mö – so back we come with another diversion – the oft proven faulty crystal ball. Pathetic! 😯

  58. Well Tweed I see you have nothing in response but another ridiculous claim and a ner ner nah ner ner. I will take your childish retort as proof you again
    (a) hate facts

    (b) have no idea about modern network design, emerging/current technologies

    (c) have no vision beyond the little bowling club bar where you are the resident expert of all technological antiquities

    (d) Are nothing but a protagonist troll

    I guess its hard to take when your big moment on the dance floor to tell us all how smart you are by linking ancient history to the modern game just displays how detached you are from the modern game.

  59. Fed up @1.49am, they should be in court as defendents.

    Tweed, you’re having a laugh. Next to satellite, wireless is the most expensive with the least attractive plans.

    Do some proper research like ME, instead of parroting Trunchbull’s bullshiit.

    ME @1.05pm, right on the money. As for the rest of Tweed’s twaddle, I recommend that he reads delimiter. Like Keating said, “Shut up and listen and you might learn something.”

    Yeah, privatising public utilities sure made things cheaper, not.

  60. Torch Boy. All I can do is lead you to the technology facts. It is the old lead a horse to water but can’t teach it to drink scenario.
    You whisperers are really weird. Denial that Microwaves are the backbone of private data transfer between the capital cities? Weird Torch Boy. Just Weird.Like I said before. Don’t believe me just ring your favourite MSM channel or Auntie and ask them if they send their programming via Microwave.
    gaaaarn Torch Boy. Be brave
    And Torch Boy it IS comforting that the polls are showing Gillard to be an unelectable, untrustworthy, incompetent leader, a source of idiot thought bubbles and a serial waster of my taxpayer dollars.
    Good riddance to the slapper and I hope Labor choose a more competent non union leader so they have a chance of being a semi viable Opposition.
    While I try to be light hearted on this blog, I like many Australians are really angry at the waste we have seen since 2007. Worse than Whitlam. At least he had charisma. Whitlam was surrounded by idiots like Gillard is, but at least he had Charisma.
    Have a good weekend Torch Boy.

  61. I think your a little confuses tweed, yes terestrial tv stations..note terestrial tv stations… Use microwave for program channels, yes there is widespread use of microwave used by people to do all sorts of things including heat their leftovers. In fact in some networks I have incorporated microwave into my design usually for redundancy. I will remind your obstinant blinkered view of everything cannot comprehend that this is a high speed backbone desighed to accomidate 4k hd video, which is impossible with microwave. The ABC uses lots of hybrid technology, microwave for OB, most of the programming is switched between hubs is intfact dds. Why do I know this? They were a client. I am intrigued, where are you going to get the bandwidth from out of an already bleeding spectrum, kick people off? Your comments are a clear indication of your political intelligence, your swayed by popularity, ignoring the economy, vision and sucess of Labor because they don’t have enough charisma. I suspect the PM’s gender has a lot to do with it, judging by your obvious sexist tone.

  62. Well, Tweed. Unfortunately for you nobody who is at the forefront of technology seems to agree with you.

    Congratulations on making it to the eighties. You must be really enjoying Dallas and Dynasty. Unfortunately, you’re still 30+ years behind the times.

  63. If any still hold the idea that the coalition’s NBN “alternative” represents a way forward in telecommunications infrastructure for Australia, or somehow imagines it would deliver an equivalent service more cheaply, needs to acquaint themselves with the exhaustive analysis of the alternatives in the following articles from the ABC’s Nick Ross.
    PART 1
    PART 2

    The Coalition’s broadband policy slogan states that they will “Complete the current NBN cheaper and faster.” This simply isn’t true.

    We’ll continue to cover the sketchy claims of being ‘faster’ and ‘cheaper’ in other articles but for now we’ll focus on the supposed similarities and differences.

    The Coalition’s NBN alternative is different by almost every measure. It uses different technologies to connect the bulk of the country; it has different uses and applications; it affects Australia’s health service differently; it provides different levels of support in emergencies and natural disasters; it requires a different amount of power to operate; the cost of maintenance is different; the overall cost, the return on investment and the re-sale value are different; the management, ownership, governance, competition and monopoly factors will be different; it has a different life-span and upgradability issues; the effect on businesses (of all sizes) and GDP is different; the effects on television are different; the effect on Senior Citizens is different; the viability and potential for cost blowouts is different; the costs of buying broadband will be different; the reliability is different; the effect on property prices will be different; the timescale is different; the legacy is different. Ultimately, it has completely different aims.

    In just about every case the Coalition’s alternative compares unfavourably to the current plans – and usually in dramatic fashion. That’s based upon the facts and the information currently available in the public domai

    (my emphasis)

  64. Can someone tell me if I am correct in my beliefs. Is it a fact that fibre to the premise can change the way we watch TV, especially paid TV.

    All can come over the internet, via fibre. Todays transmitting technology will become quickly outdated. Is this what Mr. Murdoch is afraid of. All will have access to the new technology, as it is unlimitless.

    Will mean we can watch programs from all over the nation, not just locally as we have now.

    Does it also apply to the radio. I do hope so, as on the Central Coast of NSW reception is bad in many areas.

    Is it also true, that any patch work model will not do this. Will not give the same quality of reception to all. There will be winners and losers under any patchwork model, that relies on many different technologies.

    They say we get what we pay for. Does that mean, if we are mean with what we will pay, we will get an inferior product. That is generally true in most things we buy.

    If we buy cheap, inferior products, we always get inferior outcomes. Most times, we replace the cheap nasty goods, with those of a better quality.

    Why not do it properly in the first place, saving money in the process.

  65. @ Fed up

    Is it a fact that fibre to the premise can change the way we watch TV, especially paid TV.

    From the first article I linked to above

    The effects on Television

    One of the new industries that NBN will bring is called Multicast. This allows things like live events to be broadcast more-easily and cheaply – think Group Nine rugby Grand Final plus concerts. It also has the potential to revolutionise traditional sports coverage – the AFL’s Andrew Demetriou is on the record as wanting to sell direct to the public as is happening with US sports. While NBNco’s current tariff model lacks a direct-to-content-owner option, it would be unlikely to ignore a revenue opportunity if it became clear that all the major sports want in.

    Ultra High Definition “4K” TVs are now on sale in Australia. While the initial price is high ($16,000 for the first 84-inch models) the price will drop rapidly. In ten years’ time they will be common. However, the only way to broadcast a native signal is to use fibre optic cable as the data requirement is so high.

    Video on demand is flourishing globally with the likes of Sony now focusing on building TVs that will primarily display ‘internet-based’ rather than ‘broadcast TV’. With ever-larger TVs appearing on the Australian market and with High Definition proving to be increasingly popular and with multiple televisions residing in homes, the strain on the internet infrastructure will be enormous. As long-term licensing agreements expire in Australia, more and more premium content will become available over the next decade and we’ll see US-like traffic usage where one-third of ALL internet download traffic comes from video distribution service, Netflix.

    For people who struggle to get good-quality access to Australia’s main broadcast channels, having the choice of almost any channel in the developed world will be transformative.

    However, sticking with the copper network means that multicast is ruled out and that video downloading will depend upon the connection to which each premises has plus how many people within the premises are using the connection at once – traffic can easily stack up.

    The Coalition has not mentioned this area.

    Well worth reading in both those links. In the comments section, Nick states as one of his goals in providing such a long work was to provide a reference point for those interested in facts with respect to the NBN .

    In doing so, he has, in my estimation, been exhibiting the type of reporting which used to be common on the ABC.

  66. pterosaur1, thanks for the answer I knew Iwould get.

    What the modern age of the internet is giving us, is the breakdown of the power of the media and men like Mr. Murdoch. There are now many ways of getting messages out.

    Many cheap ways at that.

    No longer will media magnates control what we read.

    No wonder the MSM is fighting so hard and dirty.

    The trouble is, it is fight they cannot win. Delay maybe, but win, no.

    They are the Ludderites of the modern day.

  67. There was one place that Abbott was not found last night. In Oxford Street. His two sisters were. They said that maybe one day, they will get him to march. Do not like there luck.

    Abbott must still believe there is not a vote in him attending. If he did, he would have been there.

  68. She’ll keep showing up to Press Gallery press conferences and take all the questions, despite the fact that journos give her no credit for it and fail to protest when Abbott runs a mile from facing hard asks.

    She will because she wants to keep proving to Australians that she’s up for it. Unlike Abbott, whose speech to the Press Club was designed to make the media like him, she’s transcended that tawdry goal.

    Julia Gillard is going to do this year her way. Yes folks, she’s real and she’s free and she’s talking to us, not them. Weird.

    I heard one say, that those on Insiders support the claim the PM is gone. Not my impression. What I heard, “no one knows”. That it is only opinions on opinion polls.

  69. Just watched Abbott, helping to clean up Duck Creek, which by the way, is in the west.

    Nearly fell down the bank, had to be caught, stopping him from falling down the bank.

    This was shown on Insiders. Wonder if it will reach the MSM.

  70. Insiders still blaming Labor for the publicity they get., It is their fault that no one covers Abbott.

    Why is it then, we herre can report much more that the PM is saying every day.

    Very little taliking About themselves about themselves. Making announcements about new policies. Talking about what they have done.

    Every day is talking about new policies and announcements. How is that talking about nothing but Abbott.

  71. I know Bacchus, and rely on it. Just saying, the old technology is not that wonderful, when compare with what the future can bring. I am hoping digital will be better, but here , that is a long time off.

  72. pterosaur1 , they are great articles. It’s nice to see that good journalism isn’t completely dead. Surely the ABC will follow up with a Q&A or a 4 Corners because it’s not an issue that can be debated in a 10 minute segment. But probably not.

  73. will be interesting to see how many of the 75 points are implemented if the Liberal party wins the federal election in September this year.

    You can read the article and learn more about the IPA on its website.

    Here’s the closing statement from the article:

    “If he wins government, Abbott faces a clear choice. He could simply overturn one or two symbolic Gillard-era policies like the carbon tax, and govern moderately. He would not offend any interest groups. In doing so, he’d probably secure a couple of terms in office for himself and the Liberal Party. But would this be a successful government? We don’t believe so. The remorseless drift to bigger government and less freedom would not halt, and it would resume with vigour when the Coalition eventually loses office. We hope he grasps the opportunity to fundamentally reshape the political culture and stem the assault on individual liberty.”

    1 Repeal the carbon tax, and don’t replace it. It will be one thing to remove the burden of the carbon tax from the Australian economy. But if it is just replaced by another costly scheme, most of the benefits will be undone.

    2 Abolish the Department of Climate Change

    3 Abolish the Clean Energy Fund

    4 Repeal Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act

    5 Abandon Australia’s bid for a seat on the United Nations Security Council

    6 Repeal the renewable energy target

    7 Return income taxing powers to the states

    8 Abolish the Commonwealth Grants Commission

    9 Abolish the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission

    10 Withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol

    11 Introduce fee competition to Australian universities

    12 Repeal the National Curriculum

    13 Introduce competing private secondary school curriculums

    14 Abolish the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA)

    15 Eliminate laws that require radio and television broadcasters to be ‘balanced’

    16 Abolish television spectrum licensing and devolve spectrum management to the common law

    17 End local content requirements for Australian television stations

    18 Eliminate family tax benefits

    19 Abandon the paid parental leave scheme

    20 Means-test Medicare

    21 End all corporate welfare and subsidies by closing the Department of Industry, Innovation, Science, Research and Tertiary Education

    22 Introduce voluntary voting

    23 End mandatory disclosures on political donations

    24 End media blackout in final days of election campaigns

    25 End public funding to political parties

    26 Remove anti-dumping laws

    27 Eliminate media ownership restrictions

    28 Abolish the Foreign Investment Review Board

    29 Eliminate the National Preventative Health Agency

    30 Cease subsidising the car industry

    31 Formalise a one-in, one-out approach to regulatory reduction

    32 Rule out federal funding for 2018 Commonwealth Games

    33 Deregulate the parallel importation of books

    34 End preferences for Industry Super Funds in workplace relations laws

    35 Legislate a cap on government spending and tax as a percentage of GDP

    36 Legislate a balanced budget amendment which strictly limits the size of budget deficits and the period the federal government can be in deficit

    37 Force government agencies to put all of their spending online in a searchable database

    38 Repeal plain packaging for cigarettes and rule it out for all other products, including alcohol and fast food

    39 Reintroduce voluntary student unionism at universities

    40 Introduce a voucher scheme for secondary schools

    41 Repeal the alcopops tax

    42 Introduce a special economic zone in the north of Australia including:
    a) Lower personal income tax for residents
    b) Significantly expanded 457 Visa programs for workers
    c) Encourage the construction of dams

    43 Repeal the mining tax

    44 Devolve environmental approvals for major projects to the states

    45 Introduce a single rate of income tax with a generous tax-free threshold

    46 Cut company tax to an internationally competitive rate of 25 per cent

    47 Cease funding the Australia Network

    48 Privatise Australia Post

    49 Privatise Medibank

    50 Break up the ABC and put out to tender each individual function

    51 Privatise SBS

    52 Reduce the size of the public service from current levels of more than 260,000 to at least the 2001 low of 212,784

    53 Repeal the Fair Work Act

    54 Allow individuals and employers to negotiate directly terms of employment that suit them

    55 Encourage independent contracting by overturning new regulations designed to punish contractors

    56 Abolish the Baby Bonus

    57 Abolish the First Home Owners’ Grant

    58 Allow the Northern Territory to become a state

    59 Halve the size of the Coalition front bench from 32 to 16

    60 Remove all remaining tariff and non-tariff barriers to international trade

    61 Slash top public servant salaries to much lower international standards, like in the United States

    62 End all public subsidies to sport and the arts

    63 Privatise the Australian Institute of Sport

    64 End all hidden protectionist measures, such as preferences for local manufacturers in government tendering

    65 Abolish the Office for Film and Literature Classification

    66 Rule out any government-supported or mandated internet censorship

    67 Means test tertiary student loans

    68 Allow people to opt out of superannuation in exchange for promising to forgo any government income support in retirement

    69 Immediately halt construction of the National Broadband Network and privatise any sections that have already been built

    70 End all government funded Nanny State advertising

    71 Reject proposals for compulsory food and alcohol labelling

    72 Privatise the CSIRO

    73 Defund Harmony Day

    74 Close the Office for Youth

    75 Privatise the Snowy-Hydro Scheme


    “Even if you have a different starting point she will listen. And I really respect that in politicians” … Westpac’s chief executive Gail Kelly on Julia Gillard. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen
    WESTPAC’S chief executive, Gail Kelly, has urged her fellow business leaders to be prepared to work with Julia Gillard and to put aside the combative approach to policy debate which has been dogging the minority Labor government.
    The powerful banking boss also gave an endorsement of the Prime Minister’s attempt to reach out to business, even in the face of intense and sometimes bitter criticism over issues ranging from the carbon tax and the rush to deliver a surplus.
    ”It’s important that big business rolls up its sleeves and engages constructively and I think the Prime Minister is also adopting this approach. She is a consultative person,” Mrs Kelly told the Herald. The comments mark a critical turn of support for Ms Gillard, who is lagging in the polls

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  75. Who seen Tony sliding down the bank.Wonder if Ducl Creek still stinks. as it did years ago.

    “gerald the gent
    3 MARCH, 2013 AT 10:42 AM
    Just watched our Tony out west helping clean up Australia. He was lifting an old car door and slid right down the embankment. Wonder if this will get the coverage Julia did when she slipped whils overseas. He had the fluoro vest on of course, must have a whole wardrobe full of them Margie He ha.

  76. The Fairfax/ReachTEL robocall poll of Werriwa, Chifley, Blaxland and MacMahon on ‘Thursday evening’ has no validity. One third of the voters have no landlines. One quarter were out, at late-night shopping. One fifth were driving home from their work in the city. One tenth were out on the town, carousing.

    Fairfax, it seems, has started cheating too.

    The preferences are redistributed as if it were 2010, when there was half as many Independents, Refuseds and Others as there are now, and no Undecideds.

    Give me a break. This is a cheat.

  77. Does it also apply to the radio. I do hope so, as on the Central Coast of NSW reception is bad in many areas.

    Thanks to the internet radio from around the corner and around the world is now accessible to listeners anywhere.

    If you listen on a computer, I recommend the software application Radio? Sure! It’s free, easy to use, and very functional. Tens of thousands of stations in the database.

    If you listen on a mobile phone or other device (iPad etc), try these apps (both free):

    a) TuneIn – Music and talk radio from around the world.

    b) Stitcher – The indispensable app for talk radio fans. Customise your listening experience. Vast array of topics, programs and stations. Say goodbye forever to redneck Australian talk radio!

  78. Sunday, March 03, 2013
    Tony Abbott’s scripted lies about #NBN costs
    Labels: aussie-politics, nbn
    Are you going to make Malcolm Turnbull the Treasurer?
    Malcolm is the Shadow Minister for Communications. He’s doing a really good job of exposing the fact that the National Broadband Network is a complete white elephant. He’s doing a very good job of promoting our real solution, which is national broadband that doesn’t involve digging up every street to deliver fibre to the home whether you want it, need it or can afford to pay three times the current price for it. He’s doing a very good job and I expect that Malcolm will be the Communications Minister in an incoming government.

  79. FEARS that consumers would be hit with massive bills after signing up to the national broadband network may prove groundless, with new research finding almost two-thirds of customers pay the same or less than before.
    After interviewing 282 households in Brunswick, one of the first neighbourhoods in Australia connected to the NBN, researchers from the University of Melbourne and Swinburne University of Technology found 63 per cent of households that joined the NBN reported their internet bills had either stayed the same or decreased. About 26 per cent said their bills had increased somewhat.
    ”Some of the reporting or debate around [the NBN] has been the potential for an increase in household costs for internet when people take up the broadband,” said Bjorn Nansen, a research fellow from the department of computing and information systems at the University of Melbourne. ”From our standpoint, costs do not dramatically increase when you’re shifting from other broadband to high-speed broadband on the NBN. Some people are paying less, most people are paying about the same.”
    According to Dr Nansen, one of the reasons most people did not end up paying more for the NBN was that some households substituted their landline telephone for a VoIP phone (which allows telephone calls to be made over the internet for free, as with Skype).

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