Through the eye of a camel

As the Federal Election looms it is time to take a look at some of the campaign issues which are going to be centre stage.

This election will be unique in that this is the first hung Parliament since the Menzies Government of 1940 and the first time the governing party in a hung Parliament has gone to an election after serving a full term (the minority Fadden Government was defeated on the floor of the House when the two independents crossed the floor and voted against the 1941 Budget)

It will also be unique in that we have a female Prime Minister leading her party for a second term of government.

The unique circumstances will be reflected in the shape of the campaign. We can expect the Coalition to attack the government on the issue of its “legitimacy” given its somewhat precarious numbers situation, we can expect attacks from the crypt by the masters of voodoo economics on government spending and presumably we are going to be treated yet again to the rehash of the Coalition’s favourite bogeyman of “failed” big-ticket government programmes which actually worked the NBN, the BER and the solar rebate.

However expect a new and nasty dimension to be added to the campaign if this propaganda currently circulating via e mails and through social media is typical of what is to come.

This anonymous contribution to what will be an ever-growing tide of disinformation between now and election day came from an e mail sent to a friend of ours.

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Whoever put this together using Excel and a couple of media shots basically sets out its creator’s odd notions of what constitutes an ideal PM.

Apparently a “good” Prime minister is a volunteer.  According to Anonymous Creator, referred to from now on as AC, volunteering is the most important attribute someone aspiring to be PM can possess. That’s why it gives volunteering three mentions and puts it up the top of the list

In fact since it is so obviously important to AC that we are now trying strenuously, albeit with with great difficulty, to recall if John Howard was actually a volunteer anywhere while he was Prime Minister.

So just watch all those Pink Ladies, Men’s Shedders and primary school reading tutors heading off to Canberra to lead the nation.

Julia Gillard sadly loses out yet again because she doesn’t have an Economics degree.

We are hoping that (again) John Howard (Law) and Kevin Rudd (Arts) will not be feeling too put out at this stage as they await the argus-eyed gaze of AC to sweep across their qualifications. Peter Costello (Law) and Joe Hockey (Arts/Law) should  be a tad nervous as well. After all both have had more than a fleeting aspiration to be leader of their party at some stage.

So would AC like to explain how to judge one of Australia’s most successful PMs and  Treasurers, Paul Keating, who has but a NSW Intermediate Certificate?

Now AC, having dismissed the PM’s very respectable arts/law degree and subsequent substantial legal practice (Abbott has never either practised law nor worked as an economist) then ventures into the murky waters of people’s private lives to declare that the PM has – gasp – had affairs with married men.

We suspect that this statement may border on defamation, but having read the whole of the laughably loopy presentation we will treat the statement with a corresponding amount of contempt.

(By the way  how’s your sex life going AC? Found out how to do it yet? Nudge nudge saynomore )

Flailing about like a chocolate frog in a bushfire, AC now traverses the fertile landscape of Australia’s favourite obsession – real estate – specifically the domiciliary status of the two Leaders.

We are informed that Tony Abbott has three children and a mortgage. Just what this fact is supposed to convey we are not sure. Might one expect that a politician earning $342,250 a year plus the odd perfectly legal perk, with a working spouse and adult children might be doing just a little better on the mortgage front? Does the word overcapitalise peek over the horizon at any stage here?

The PM on the other hand has done far better. It is tough for a single woman, even one on a good salary, to pay off a mortgage, but she has done so. And probably well before she became PM

AC then passes with some effort through the eye of a camel from the reality of realty to more spiritual realms to reveal excitedly that Tony Abbott is a Christian.

Yet nobody else would share his excitement. Nor is most of Australia excited by the PM’s atheism. In a secular country non-belief is surely the default setting.

And we might take this opportunity to remind both Tony Abbott and AC at this point that Australia is not a Christian country thanks to Section 116 of the Australian Constitution or a country which mandates any other variety of religion for that matter.

For which we should probably thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Whether Tony Abbott was a successful Health Minister is open to much speculation. Current Health Minister Tanya Plibersek questions his attitude to RU486. Anne Summers does likewise as she outlines the proposed cuts in acess to Medicare benefits to IVF and the subsequent ducking and weaving of Abbott, his colleague and Shadow Minister Christopher Pyne and his ever-loyal staffer Peta Credlin.

Summers writes:

As Health Minister in 2005, Tony Abbott proposed cutting back government subsidies for IVF treatments. Interestingly, one backbencher who urged him to reconsider this decision was the member for Fisher, Peter Slipper.

Slipper’s representations were successful and the measure did not proceed. Contrary to assertions quoted in today’s Australian newspaper by shadow education minister Christopher Pyne, Mr Abbott proposed and defended these measures.

So women’s reproductive health was to bear the main burden of a future Abbott Government’s eagerly sought budget cuts. What was that about Abbott being a successful health Minister? What was that about Abbott not being woman-averse again?

AC then dips into the realm of the silly by reassuring us that Abbott supported his Prime Minister. We have to assume AC is referring to events around the time of  the APEC Leaders’ Week meeting in 2007 but we would not be surprised if AC’s recollection was faulty – often the case when someone is so strongly attached to the right that he/she perceives them as doing no wrong.

Here’s Paul Kelly on the topic.

And what Abbott conveyed, perhaps subconsciously?

Open to the option that Howard might go and struck by the firmness of Downer’s position, Abbott left the impression he favoured a change. Perhaps Abbott, the Howard loyalist, was wavering. That was Downer’s conclusion; he noted that Abbott wanted a change as well. But Abbott said later there was a difference between being aware that Howard might resign and supporting his resignation, which he did not.

Loyalty? Or Abbott’s realisation that he might be on the stairway to heaven?

And did Julia Gillard really “knife” Kevin Rudd? Perhaps the most objective analysis comes from James Button, bringing as it does to the memories of old Labor hands the long-ago spectre of the brilliant but erratic H V Evatt:

Rudd’s prime ministership failed, and the failure was above all his own. The story of his government, and of its end, has still not been fully told.

Indeed.

However the departure of Kevin Rudd revved up yet another bandwagon for AC and its audience to leap on – the fallacy that in Australia we elect our Prime Ministers.

A whole raft of people who in normal times would never vote for anyone to the left of Pauline Hanson could be heard wailing and gnashing their teeth because somehow their Prime Minister had been deprived of his rightful office by a dastardly Shakespearean coup, complete with a rich layer-cake of factional conspiracies.

Sorry to puncture illusions people, but it’s the way we do things under the Westminster system. It is much the same in the UK, New Zealand and Canada.

So are you sitting comfortably?

Now slowly and simply so even AC will get it –

when you go to the polls you vote for a person to represent you in Canberra. You do not decide who the Prime Minister is. The party who wins the most seats in the election does that. Parties can and do  remove leaders and replace them any time they feel it necessary to do so, whether you like it or not.

And for Tony Abbott to have stopped the boats he would have had to have been Prime Minister at the very least. Or Moses. Going to sea in a patrol boat Steven Seagal style with a pump action rampant smuggled budgie and his best Vlad Putin persona on will not do it.

Asylum seekers, boat arrivals and the whole sorry saga of the refugee crisis in our region takes far more diplomacy, awareness and subtlety than has been exhibited by either major party so far, though the potential is there for Labor to educate the electorate and to bring it with them if they can stop being timid when faced with the raucous minority – the raucous minority that the junk e mail is meant for.

And I do wish my de facto would do my hair. Save me a bucketful on hairdressers.

166 comments on “Through the eye of a camel

  1. And your point is what precisely?

    There is just as much pro-labor propaganda in circulation from equally anonymous authors, have you seen any of the stuff from the ALP media unit?

  2. So are you prepared to legitimise that fringe right-wing post as being a genuine representation of Coalition thought? Yes or no?

  3. JOB advertisements are at their lowest levels for three years after falling for the tenth straight month in Dec

    ember, a leading employment survey says.

    ANZ senior economist Justin Fabo said weak jobs ads, coupled with an economy expected to grow below trend in 2013 and a high currency, paved the way for further interest rate cuts from the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA).

    The total number of job ads placed in major metropolitan newspapers and on the internet fell 3.8 per cent in December, according to the ANZ job advertisements series published today.

    Mr Fabo said the number of job ads in December was 20 per cent below the most recent peak in February 2012 and were almost half the level reached before the global financial crisis.

    The weak jobs ads growth in the economy suggested “conditions for a large share of Australian businesses remain challenging and the outlook uncertain”, Mr Fabo said.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/economics/anz-survey-finds-job-ads-hit-three-year-low-in-december/story-e6frg926-1226553457481

  4. There is just as much pro-labor propaganda in circulation from equally anonymous authors

    Like this one?

    Oh, wait, that’s not propaganda, it’s just a list of achievements 😉

    tabot (the ‘weathervane) “Has not changed his standing” 😆

  5. Abbott achieved the record for running to parliament door… oh hang on, he failed that as well.

    Yep found an Abbott achievement. The most running away from reporters questions.

  6. Didn’t Tony Abbott knife Joe Hockey to wrestle the Liberal leadership off Turnbull? Told Hockey he wasn’t going to run and would back him. Yet the night before went hunting for his own numbers.

  7. Read it and weep.

    Miranda Devine

    Adjournment Debate: Five Years of Labor Failures
    Josh Frydenberg MP

    It was John Kenneth Galbraith who once said ‘Nothing is so admirable in politics as a short memory.’
    This may be all well and good for the politician who has committed the original sin but for the public who bear the brunt of that politician’s bad policy there is little forgiveness. And there is no worse government that what we have seen over the last five years, or 1,827 days, of the Rudd-Gillard government.
    Let us recount just some of Labor’s greatest failures over the last five years. I am sure there are many to add but here it goes.

    · We have the carbon tax from a Prime Minister who said there would be no carbon tax under the government she led and a PM who promised a citizens assembly to generate a consensus and said she was from a party of ‘truth telling’.

    · The mining tax which was first announced with no industry consultation and then introduced with so much industry consultation it produced zero revenue.

    · The company tax cut which was never delivered and saw Labor members like the Minister for Small Business and the member for Deakin tell their constituents the day before the announcement saying the company tax would be delivered.

    · The Henry tax review report which sat in the Treasurer’s cupboard for six months before he released it, only to announce he was only going to accept one out of 138 recommendations—no surprise from a government that conducts itself by review, setting up more than 200 inquiries and reviews, the daddy of them all being the 2020 Summit.

    · Then there is the 2012-13 surplus that was a rolled-gold guarantee, then a commitment, then an objective, then a guiding principle, now an expectation that will never be delivered.

    · The four biggest budget deficits in Australia’s history.

    · A net debt of $147 billion with an interest bill of $20 million a day and a debt ceiling of $300 billion from a starting position of having $70 billion in the bank and a debt ceiling of only $75 billion.

    · An NBN which started at just over a $4 billion commitment, that had no cost-benefit analysis, the proposal for which was prepared by the Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy on the back of an envelope, has now blown out to $50 billion and has more than 1,300 staff and only 7,000 customers.

    · A bungled Australia Network tender which led to a police investigation and the government being forced to make compensation payments.

    · There has been government waste on a grand scale, from the pink batts that led to hundreds of house fires to the overpriced school halls, the set top boxes that were cheaper at Gerry Harvey’s and the $70 million being spent on government advertising to sell a carbon tax no one wants.

    · The embarrassing, costly and public failures of the green loans, GroceryWatch, Fuel watch and cash for clunkers.

    · The bloating of the Public Service which has seen more than 20,000 new hires on Labor’s watch, and the abolition of anything and everything that Tony Abbott was responsible for when a minister in the Howard government from the successful Chronic Disease Dental Scheme, work for the dole, the private health insurance rebate and of course the Australian building and construction commission—not to mention the blank cheque that has been given to the unions, with amendments to fair work provisions, the stacking of the commission with political appointments and wilful blindness towards union militancy in the workplace.
    · There is the introduction of more than 20,000 new or amended regulations with only 104 repealed, strangling small business in a sea of red tape and burdensome regulation.

    · The failure to protect our borders with more than 30,000 unauthorised arrivals and 500 boats with hundreds of lives tragically lost at sea, riots in our detention centres and a budget blowout of more than $6 billion, not to mention the farce of the East Timor solution the Timorese government did not want and the Malaysia solution the High Court would not allow.

    · The dramatic and dangerous cuts to defence spending which has fallen to the lowest level since 1938.

    · And the misdirection of our aid spending that has seen Australian taxpayers funding a statue in New York that commemorates the end of slavery in the Caribbean.

    · We also have the farce of the live cattle export issue which cost millions of dollars and thousands of jobs.

    · The dumbing down of our foreign policy by our Prime Minister, who would rather be sitting with a class of schoolkids than representing the country meeting fellow world leaders abroad; an Asia Pacific Community that never got off the ground but only damaged our relationships in the region; the leaking of a private telephone conversation with President Bush over the G20; calling the Chinese ‘rat somethings’; and the bypassing of a trusted partner in Japan on Mr Rudd’s first visit overseas. The current Foreign Minister Senator Carr has also launched into Papua New Guinea, calling for sanctions against them. If that is what a rehearsed kabuki actor behaves like, then save us all.

    · The list goes on: the backflip and embarrassment over the supertrawler; the copying by the Leader of the House of lines from The American President in a speech to the Press Club; a Treasurer who pretends he is Bruce Springsteen and then goes on to call Republicans in the United States ‘cranks and crazies’ to support his political base; a Prime Minister who belittles our parliament with a trumped up and false charge of misogyny only to then back the then Speaker Peter Slipper after the substance of some repugnant text messages became public, not to mention the Attorney-General giving Mr Slipper privileged access to the Judges’ car park; and there was the Australia Day riot that had its origins in a confected anti-Abbott manoeuvre.

    The list goes on and on.

    The faceless men in the Labor Party removed Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister—now the Australian people want to have their say.

    Let them have their say in an election tomorrow.

  8. Yes Miranda Devine a noted conservative journalist, only a right wing troll would read her stories and believe them.

  9. Methinks it’s the right-whingers who need to be doing the crying
    ….
    ….
    ….
    Over the appalling ignorance of their economic spokespersons.

    Josh Frydenberg hopelessly wrong on some key budget and economic facts

    Oh no – the Liberal Party is showing that the lack of understanding of the budget, the bond market and economics is broadly based, even among the new blood in its ranks. This time it is Josh Frydenberg, the Member for Kooyong who shows he cannot read the budget papers, nor understand economics and the bond market, with his Op Ed article in today’s The Australian.

    The link to the article is here:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/coalition-picks-its-path-from-menzies-road-map/story-e6frgd0x-1226233538249 .

    From that article, Frydenberg suggests:

    “But as a party we will not and must not compromise on those fundamental issues that go to the heart of what the Liberal Party stands for: lower taxes, smaller and more efficient government, freedom in the workplace and an individual’s freedom to choose.”

    As I have written before, the current facts show:

    Total government receipts (tax, dividends, fees and the like) was 21.6% of GDP in 2010-11, the lowest level since 1973-74. Josh – that is lower than for EVERY year of the Howard and Fraser governments.

    The tax to GDP ratio fell to 20.0% in 2010-11, the lowest since 1978-79 and is a whopping 4.2% of GDP below the record tax to GDP ratio raked in by the Howard government in 2004-05 and 2005-06. That’s a lesser tax take of around $60 billion for one year that was taken from tax payers during the peak period of the Howard government. As mentioned elsewhere, it is easy to register a budget surplus when you tax the living daylights out of the population.

    These facts should embarrass Freydenberg who then suggests:

    “Menzies said of the Liberals, “we are a tax reduction party”, understanding that “real tax reductions would be the best of all incentives to increase effort, earnings and production”.”

    Funny that when the Howard Government was elected, the tax to GDP ratio was 21.8% (1995-96). At the end of his term, the ratio was 23.7%. When Fraser was elected, the tax to GDP ratio was 20.3% and at the end of his term the ratio was 21.7%.

    Freydeberg goes on:

    “Tragically, the Rudd-Gillard governments have become addicted to spending, squandering the strong fiscal position bequeathed to them in 2007. In just four years they have taken government spending from 22.9 per cent of gross domestic product to 26.2 per cent. “

    That 26.2% is wrong – the MYEFO Table D1 shows that spending to GDP was 26.0% of GDP in 2009-10. Whatever. Freydenberg for some reason then ignores the outcome for 2010-11 spending to GDP ratio was 24.7% and further “forgets” to mention that the government spending will be 23.6% of GDP in 2012-13 – around 1.5% of GDP below the average of the last 30 years. In the 12 Howard Government Budgets, spending to GDP averaged 24.2% of GDP: and only in 3 years out of 12 of the Howard Government was the spending to GDP ratio lower than the Gillard Government is projecting for 2012-13.

    Freydenberg then suggests:

    “In addition to expanding government debt, increasing taxes and bloating the bureaucracy with more than 20,000 new public-sector employees.”

    This is wrong. According to the ABS, between June 2008 and June 2011, the number of Commonwealth public servants rose by 6.0% – from 237,100 to 251,400, a rise of 14,300.

    There was some hope that the new blood in the Liberal Party would have some understanding of economics and markets. This dreadful Op Ed article is dashing that hope.

  10. Jayanar @6.49pm..well said, however I don’t hold out much hope of receiving a reply.

    The point to me is that such “cartoons” are for the most part all about defaming the person rather than valid critiques of policy. Certainly politicians have always been fair game for satire but the level that the current opposition appears to endorse dips to an historical low.

  11. I Agree Treeman “It was John Kenneth Galbraith who once said ‘Nothing is so admirable in politics as a short memory” you forgot workchoices mark II will be back.

  12. Miglo

    You didn’t mention “bribed independents”. Tony Abbott’s offer to “do everything but sell his arse” to get their votes should be in the left column. He’s always prepared to lie his arse off. Apologies for any incivility but you’ll have to blame Tony Windsor.

  13. J’OB advertisements are at their lowest levels for three years after falling for the tenth straight month in Dec’

    In my town the recession has already begun and predatory pricing is leading to deflation.

    The dole numbers are going to increase and joolya should have an Easter election to avoid unemployment becoming an issue.

  14. Treeman – “Read it and weep” – I’m still having a bit of a giggle over that one. Finding it hard to get through the rest, particularly when I sight Ms Miranda Devine/News Ltd as the publisher of said JF piece. Pfft, seriously – read her and weep – would be more accurate. Love it how the LNP, and friends, twist (or deny) the facts from qualified experts on the economy, climate change, BER, Pink Batts etc. Sad reality, really, really sad, and I’m genuinely sorry for you.

  15. Jayanar. I thought the spreadsheet of Abbott and Gillard was a very evenhanded appraisal of both leaders. As with Iain Hall, I have the same comment, what is your point precisely?
    There is nothing uplifting from what you have introduced. If I had a blood relation like Gillard, apart from probably organising a family drowning committee, I would simply cringe and change my surname or move out of the neighborhood or a combination of the above.
    Gillard is a loser. Has not won an election, has made a cockup of everything she has touched, has bent over for every fringe group, has indebted the nation, now wants the most needy in our society to pick up the tab for her failed policies to achieve a mythical Swannie/Gillard surplus and the most disgraceful is she is avoiding us the voters for as long as she can.
    Scrubber. That is all Gillard is. A bogan scrubber……

  16. Sorry Tweed, the PM did win the last election. She won the majority of votes by some 30, 000. The PM has the numbers on the floor of the lower house.

    The voters gave her this power.

    Yes, the Greens and independents vote carries exactly the same value as yours.

    It is a duly elected government according to the constitution. Yes, it is a minority government, which is legitimate.

    It says a lot for the PM’s ability , that she has made it work so well. It is also a very productive government.

  17. 😆 “Tweed” still lives in a state of perpetual delusion I see 😆

    Gillard is a loser. Has not won an election
    Still can’t accept the result of 2010? I’m sure there’s (very expensive) help for that problem Tweed 😉

    the most disgraceful is she is avoiding us the voters for as long as she can.

    Interesting spin on having a legitimate government run its full term, as it should 😆

    Don’t give up your day job Tweed…

  18. Bacchus, what else it’s true, that Abbott for all his bluster and threats, has not laid a single glove on the PM.

    He has done nothing but fail since the last election.

    The only thing he has prevented the PM from doing, is to put in place the Houston Report on asylum seekers, leaving us with as a system that is virtually Abbott’s, which is also failing.

    I am sure we have not heard the last of that. I expect the PM will have further announcements to be made in that regard.

  19. And your point is what precisely?

    The point is, Iain, is that the email was a whole heap of crap. It’s such a pity you couldn’t see it.

  20. Jayanar

     

    Firstly does the hypocrisy of you writing a piece that basically complains about an anonymous chain email while you are posting under a pseudonym go right over your head or do you have a good reason for you yourself posting anonymously?

    There is just as much pro-labor propaganda in circulation from equally anonymous authors

    Like this one? http://i.imgur.com/rbIav.jpg Oh, wait, that’s not propaganda, it’s just a list of achievements

    Achievements actually have to have been achieved whereas a goodly number of the items listed in that piece of propaganda have not been achieved at all or are of rather dubious value, The NBN is hardly off the starting blocks, The MRRT has not collected any cash for the second quarter in a row, clinics which have to doctors are not really that super,expansion of university places is of dubious social value “a price tax on carbon” is the killer of Gillard credibility, Yep Great achievements there.

    Min @ 8:25 pm
    Jayanar @6.49pm..well said, however I don’t hold out much hope of receiving a reply.

    Actually I am “famous” for denouncing the easy anonymity of the internet when it comes to political commentary so I am happy to suggest taht anonymous guff in support of ether side should be denounced,

    The point to me is that such “cartoons” are for the most part all about defaming the person rather than valid critiques of policy. Certainly politicians have always been fair game for satire but the level that the current opposition appears to endorse dips to an historical low.

    political cartoons have always had more than a touch of cruelty to them Min and how cruel you think they are depends very much how you feel about the target of the cartoonist.

    Florence @ 10:15 pm

    THE POINT IS SIMPLE. THE PM IS NOT A LOSER, AND THIS GOVERNMENT IS SUCCESSFUL

    Shouting something will not make it so. Yes Gillard is successful if you measure success in terms of reducing the very good majority enjoyed by Rudd to a bare majority in the house only at the behest of the Greens and indies…

    Miglo @ 10:56 pm

    And your point is what precisely?
    The point is, Iain, is that the email was a whole heap of crap. It’s such a pity you couldn’t see it.

    Migs most spam is crap, we all know that, so are most of the chain emails that do the rounds, so what? it’s just horses for courses and as I said the Pro ALP stuff is no better like this one from the ALP Facebook page.

  21. Sadly, Tweed has lost the plot.

    If he ever had a plot to lose, Migs. No doubt Tweed also thinks CO2 is a harmless trace gas and has misplaced his plot after a heavier than usual CO2 sniffing session with grodo.

  22. That seems strange Hall, that link goes to your web site, and it looks like a liberal policy sheet for the past 4 years.

  23. A very interesting C/V of our two leaders.Facts often hurt and it does not matter
    what CWs believe it is what Australians believe at voting time.
    If they were applying for a job who would you employ, very simple choice really.
    The only things missing was honesty and former history.
    I say vote 1 for ‘Ruben’ probably got more chance than its owner.

  24. Excuse me Iain, but have you been invited to call a person by their first name? If not, can you kindly address them by their screen name.

  25. Hall, followed your link for once. What is wrong with it. Explains Abbott perfectly. I put up a series of videos yesterday on Abbott’s views on climate change, Like that note showed, he is all over the place,

    Abbott has a view for every different audience.

    Abbott himself, said he was a weather vane.

    The difference is, Labor keeps to the truth. If is shows Abbott in a bad light, so be it.

    As for using one’s name, it amuses Hall’s small mind. Seems to think it makes him look clever. For the love of me, I do not know why.

    Notice the polls are trending as the PM predicted.

    Hall explain what you disagree with, link on Abbott.

  26. Cu, basically Abbott has offered nothing new because he simply does not have the ability to be an original thinker.

    Perhaps that’s the problem and one which we have been speculating upon for some time here at the Café..a seemingly intelligent man..well he did go to uni, so he cannot be entirely stupid, but often with a complete inability to know how to react in situations which require more than his automated responses. A complete inability to think originally perhaps? Further evidence for this might come from the way that he harkens back to “the golden age” of John Howard..Abbott cannot think forward, only backward.

  27. Labor can win with a 48.5% TPP and has a good chance with 49%.

    The Liberals must be having fits at the moment that with everything dirty they threw at Labor and with all the falsehoods against the government peddled by their MSM mouthpieces they are still very slowly trending backwards.

    My belief still is that the election will be close and it could tip either way.

  28. My belief still is that the election will be close and it could tip either way.

    Yep, I’m back there too now ME, after thinking middle/late last year they were gone. And with the big list of achievements, I can really only see them going up

    Paid Parental Leave
    School Kids Bonus
    NBN
    Carbon Price
    Abolished Workchoices
    60 new Super Clinics
    Trades Training Centres
    National Curriculum
    Low Interest Rates
    Avoided recession
    Age Pension Increases
    Gonski
    NDIS

    A pretty impressive list, all against . … NO!

  29. Min, that goes further than just original thinking on policy, messages, vision and political tactics, it also goes to the basic thing of fronting the public, interviews and media conferences, something all pollies around the planet do and have been from the day the first pollie was sworn in.

    When he was a minister in government he had lots of trouble elucidating his portfolio of the time and communicating government actions and policy, his sole claim to fame, that in my opinion was way over egged, was he was Howard’s attack dog. Even in that Gillard had his measure and regularly wiped the parliament floor with him.

    From the very start of his stint as opposition leader he had problems communicating. Remember all those brain farts that had the shadow ministers and the Liberal Party running around in damage control for weeks afterwards, often hiding Abbott away for sometimes weeks at a time.

    Abbott is very carefully rehearsed and controlled now and as you say deeply mired in bromidic offerings they feel he is safe with. The moment he is asked to go outside his very narrow stereotyped memes he’s lost and in press conferences just runs away or is ushered away by a minder that is now always there for that purpose. The alternative is to have him do one of his famous brain freezes.

    Uninspiring doesn’t even get close to describing the set in ancient stone man Abbott is.

  30. Mobius, and those instances which you have mention all return to the same character flaw..that same inability to think in an original manner, hence the reactions which follow when Abbott’s brain is expect to collate original material and produce an original answer. Abbott’s brain is so lost when expected to do this that it either comes up with something ridiculous (Tony’s infamous brain farts), or his brain tells him to get the fck outta there!

  31. A good example Min is Abbott not reading important documents or reports before making his standard rehearsed negativity against them.

    To read and understand the contents of those papers at the time did require some thinking outside a narrow antediluvian mindset to be able to formulate a lucid response for or against. Abbott wasn’t even capable of that basic postulate so fell back to three word slogans and espousing Howard era policies as a response.

  32. Tom, I’ve always been convinced that Julia is working to a careful plan. This is the difference, whereas Julia is in control..Abbott as Mobius states has to be “very carefully rehearsed and controlled” not as a state of self-control, but as a necessity so as to avoid the brain fart/runner situations which inevitably are the result.

    Julia will come to the fore as much as she is able given the animosity of the MSM against anything which might be even a remote positive for her…announce a major policy and they’ll trot out some ancient celeb to announce that her color choice of pants suit is sooooo outdated..the usual trivia.

  33. Mobius, not reading important documents would add to the original thought theory..the Abbott-brain simply cannot absorb new information.

  34. jayanar @ 2:43 am

    Difference is old fellow I am not writing rubbish. The chain e mail spammer is.

    If that is your rationale then you have no excuse at all and you should immediately put your name to your piece.

    Min @ 7:32 am

    Excuse me Iain, but have you been invited to call a person by their first name? If not, can you kindly address them by their screen name.

    Are you making it a condition of commenting here that all contributors address their interlocutors by their Screen name Min? Or am I being singled out because Florence has complained to you? In fairness if you want to impose such a rule upon me then you should be consistent and insist that everyone does as you ask of me here.

    Catching up @ 8:00 am

    Hall, followed your link for once. What is wrong with it. Explains Abbott perfectly. I put up a series of videos yesterday on Abbott’s views on climate change, Like that note showed, he is all over the place,

    What is wrong is that it is anonymously authored and yet it appears on the ALP face-book page thus making my point that those on your side of the fence produce just as much crappy anonymous political commentary as those on my side do.

    Abbott has a view for every different audience.

    Abbott himself, said he was a weather vane.

    The difference is, Labor keeps to the truth. If is shows Abbott in a bad light, so be it.

    Surely you can’t have reached such a respectable age and not realised that neither side of politics have a monopoly on the truth? Or are you really so ideologically one eyed that you do think that only Labor has any contact with the truth?

    As for using one’s name, it amuses Hall’s small mind. Seems to think it makes him look clever. For the love of me, I do not know why.

    Hmm Min I thinks that this says that Florence does not mind that much if I continue to address her by her name.

    Notice the polls are trending as the PM predicted.

    Hall explain what you disagree with, link on Abbott.

    Oh I think the image from the ALP is actually rather funny even though it is far from being entirely honest-or accurate

    Min @ 8:09 am

    Cu, basically Abbott has offered nothing new because he simply does not have the ability to be an original thinker.

    That sounds like leftist projection to me

    Perhaps that’s the problem and one which we have been speculating upon for some time here at the Café..a seemingly intelligent man..well he did go to uni, so he cannot be entirely stupid, but often with a complete inability to know how to react in situations which require more than his automated responses.

    Have you listened to ALP politicians being interviewed by the media lately? They quite famously all repeat the devised by their spinmiester phrases in answer to every question de jour. It in the lingua franca of the MSM and in an age when every faux pas and slip of the tongue will be seized upon by minions of the other side and repeated endlessly on YouTube its quite understandable that pollies of all flavours are very guarded and less than spontaneous in the responses to political questioning.

    A complete inability to think originally perhaps? Further evidence for this might come from the way that he harkens back to “the golden age” of John Howard..Abbott cannot think forward, only backward.

    We conservatives do like to try to take the lessons of history as a starting point for building a better future it is not actually a bad thing as you want to suggest, better to make incremental changes on a proven template rather than to give yourself over to the wild ideological imagining of would be utopia builders.

  35. I’ve always been convinced that Julia is working to a careful plan.

    Yes, she has a long game in play. The libs play was to force an early election. That failed, and now it looks like they are grasping around for another plan.

    Added to that, they are encumbered by the fallout from their failed attempts to overthrow the Government. And it looks like the Government will be making these stuff ups well known to the electorate.

    NBN V ashby. The choice looks pretty easy

  36. …given the animosity of the MSM against anything which might be even a remote positive for her…announce a major policy and they’ll trot out some ancient celeb to announce that her color choice of pants suit is sooooo outdated..the usual trivia.

    Oh there’s nothing more certain than the MSM and the right wingers around the Interwebs ramping up and going apeshit against Gillard and the government this year even though as the polls are showing that tactic is failing.

    They just don’t know any other way any more as they have completely deserted facts and honest reporting and don’t know how to go back to honesty. This is because in propping up a bumbling sloganeering Abbott with misdirections and dissimulations against the Gillard and the government appeared to work.

    Problem with that and for Abbott’s string of lies is that eventually reality has the inevitable habit of intruding into the abstraction being portrayed.

  37. No wonder they want to ban the libs from twitter

  38. Meet Tony Abbott 2.0. He’s a modern, sensitive guy. A family guy. A liberal Catholic. He cares for women. He’s a great friend of his colleagues, and he lets others do the talking in cabinet.

    Describe this image

    He’s pretty different to the previous Abbott model. Tony Abbott 1.0 was testosterone-filled political liability. He was alarmingly ambitious, agro, brash and crass, and addicted to endurance sports.

    The unexpected release of TA 2.0 by the Liberal Party has generated much conversation in Australia’s news starved media – finally something to break the Christmas drought! Will the new Tony Abbott be able to neutralize Labor’s relentless claims of misogyny?

    It’s hard to believe that the defects of Tony 1.0 won’t resurface in the new Abbott.

    Since he became opposition leader, Abbott has routinely put his foot in it, despite repeated warnings from Liberal strategists. And judging by the frequency of his grating comments about Gillard last year (his October comment about Gillard’s parenting inexperience, his May remarks about Gillard’s ‘refusal to die’, his March comment about her fashion sense) it’s hard to believe he will ever change.

    Abrasiveness is hardwired in Tony Abbott, even if misogyny is not. And this is all the Labor Party needs to continue their sexism attacks.

    In the best case scenario, the new volume control features of TA 2.0 will mean that the Labor Party have a little less material to work with. Julie Bishop can turn the volume level down to ‘dull roar’………..

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/tony-20-might-need-to-iron-out-some-glitches/

  39. Lets go through the list that so impresses you Tom

    Paid Parental Leave

    Has some value

    School Kids Bonus

    A re-badging of an existing allowance long available under the family Tax benifit scheme is not much of an achievement.

    NBN

    Not yet even minimally delivering on the big promises of its promoters and its still debatable that the assumptions of its business model will ever be validated

    Carbon Price

    This is a badge of shame because it does not achieve any thing for the climate and all that it does is create a vehicle for speculation much to the delight of the derivatives speculators.

    Abolished Workchoices

    I never supported Workchoises but I find the Labor alternative to be just as flawed in many ways so is it really and achievement to abolish one flawed workplace regime with another flawed legislative frame work?

    60 new Super Clinics

    How many have been built Tom? How many are fully staffed and operational? Far less than 60 at the last count I read.

    Trades Training Centres

    Sounds good in theory but how many are actually working?

    National Curriculum

    Yep I’ll accept that this is a good idea but it suffers from too much leftist ideology

    Low Interest Rates

    Not something that the government has any direct control of so they can’t take the credit for it and claim it as an achievement now can they?

    Avoided recession

    If you take the view that stimulus was necessary you might give them a tick for this however for it to be an achievement then you would have to consider the nature of the stimulus and how much bang per buck that the spending gave us and on that count Labor gets a very marginal pass mark.

    Age Pension Increases

    And what of the treatment of those on parenting payment? shunted off onto Newstart where they get less money and they suffer from lower earnings thresholds?

    Gonski

    Its all promise and no delivery so not an achievement at all

    NDIS

    Its all promise and no delivery so not an achievement at all

    Not such a great report card id you look at it closely now is it Tom?

  40. Let’s go through your whinges iain

    Nah, think I’ll just get on with my life instead, since you offer nothing up for discussion, simply vague entreaties like ‘it could be better if it wasn’t lefty’

  41. Yep the snow job on Abbott started in the last days of 2012 but failed miserably because the people they got to do the implausible remake were his wife, a whining Liberal oppo and his manager of spin and stunts.

  42. Iain and,

    That sounds like leftist projection to me

    That is a fairly meaningly phrase unless you are able to provide examples of any original thought pertaining to Tony Abbott.

    Tom and The Unhinging..smear campaigns have worked in the past, but Tony’s problem is that he sought to use this tactic too far out from the election. Doubtless, this serious error of judgement is due to the fact that Abbott’s delusion was that an election was to be called “any tick of the clock” (after all Alan Jones’ listeners kept on demanding one..). Clearly the endless smear campaigns have now lost their shock and awe factor.

  43. he sought to use this tactic too far out from the election.

    Exctly Min. They had one play, force an early election. It failed. Smear will just backfire now. Labor need to tread carefully though. As we have seen, any time they expose tabot for what he is, the media circle the wagons around him, and start crying about ‘personal attacks’ Bizarre really, but that’s the environment they have to work in.

    Better to just quietly mention it in passing. There is enough already, with more to come I’m sure, of tabot just reverting to tabot.

  44. Min
    A post modernist will argue that there is nothing that is original in conception or thought that is possible because it has ALL been said or done before. Even so I don’t look for novelty in a possible Prime Minister I look for sound administrative skills, endurance and an ability to keep a cool head under pressure, Abbott meets those criteria.

  45. Hall, I think you owe Min an apology. I have complained to no one. I think your use of my name a little childish. It was I, that allowed my name to become public knowledge.

    You need to grow up, and enter the adult world. Your avatar picture suggests that you have reached the age indicates you should be a part of it.

    A man who sees others as a pawn, in what you describe as games, has little to offer.

  46. Love the one ‘needs Liberal votes’ (as opposed to needing Greens and Independents). It’s called ‘Coalition’ for a reason and he didn’t govern because he didn’t win the confidence of those Greens and Independents. It wasn’t a ‘win’ over JG.

  47. Can someone tell me where the PM has lost her cool. It appears our visitors are under the impression she has.

    Pity, they same cannot be said of Abbott. There have been numerous examples of him running off, every time the questions or situation is not to his liking.

    Abbott seems to believe the ABC is showing bias when they have the hide to ask him questions. He has gone as far as making complaints to the head of the ABC, demanding he take action.

  48. Abbott seems to believe the ABC is showing bias

    Yet to my knowledge the sitting Prime Minister is the only one to whom ABC ‘journalists’ have lied to while interviewing them.

  49. Thanks, jayanar, some nice talking points there.

    Kevin Rennie and Catching up – it’s a delicious thought, isn’t it? Whatever Abbott said that day to Tony Windsor, recorded and surely by now copied and stored away for future reference! Tony Windsor may not release it, but it doesn’t hurt to keep reminding the world that it’s there, ready for use if Abbott gets too big for his boots.

    The Bard himself might say that Abbott’s arse
    Was a worthy subject for a sonnet.
    Why then is it the butt of ribald farce
    With so much media commentary on it?
    It’s muscular and trim and very taut
    From long exercise on surfboard and bike.
    But his tongue has been looser than it ought
    And been recorded by a hidden mike.
    When challenged in the Chamber to his face,
    With carbon tax promise he can’t deny,
    He blusters, is called ‘a national disgrace!’
    And his other words, why say they’re a lie?
    We know he wouldn’t sell his arse, okay?
    But, offered the chance to be PM, he’d give it any day.

    http://polliepomes.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/tony-abbott-would-never-sell-his-arse-would-he/

  50. Andrew Laming MP: Apologise to Logan residents and all CALD & Indigenous Australians

    Reconciliation with our Indigenous brothers and sisters is necessary for the future cohesion of our beautiful country, Australia. In addition, we need to ensure that Culturally and Linguistically Diverse (CALD) Australians do not face racial stereotyping and racism.

    Please sign

    http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/andrew-laming-mp-apologise-to-logan-residents-and-all-cald-indigenous-australians

  51. The lieberals have not got over the 2007 election result let alone the 2010 one, as far as Abbort is concerned the public is still sleepwalking, boy is he in for a rude awakening at the 2013 election result it will be Rip Van Abbott all over again. From memory Laming’s office was raided by the AFP for election irregularities prior to the last election. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

  52. I must say, that when an election is a massive win, like the last Queensland one. it throws up idiots.

    How many has Cando lost, from just before the election, until now.

    Was it because of a similar big win, that we got Ms. Hanson.

    Many seem to fear minority governments. I would say we have ore to fear from massive majorities.

    Police PC Queensland soon to be on ABC24

  53. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

    That counts me out, time to hand in me packet of gravel 🙂

  54. Hall

    Even so I don’t look for novelty in a possible Prime Minister I look for sound administrative skills, endurance and an ability to keep a cool head under pressure, Abbott meets those criteria.

    Maybe you should read the latest Essential Poll,

    Compared to Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard is seen as more likely to be considered good in a crisis (+11%), intelligent (+8%) and a capable leader (+7%).

    Abbott is regarded by significantly more respondents to be arrogant (+14%), narrow minded (+11%), intolerant (+12%) and erratic (+11%).

    Hall, Abbott does not meet your criteria,he is a clown.
    http://images.search.conduit.com/ImagePreview/?q=tony+abbott+the+clown&ctid=CT2801948&SearchSource=2&FollowOn=true&PageSource=Results&SSPV=&CUI=&UP=&UM=&start=0&pos=4

    The PM does,
    And here is a link to that essential Poll.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/files/2013/01/Essential-Report_130114.pdf

  55. Mobius, that is the case..it’s one of those WordPress things, Admins can do this on any topic and Author’s on their own topics. I should imagine that WordPress’s reasoning behind this is so that unpleasant types cannot post porn pics or similar on one’s site. Pity that WordPress doesn’t as yet provide the option to have an approved person’s list which would allow regulars to post photos etc.

  56. yes, but tweets used to show up with images too I thought. I wondered if it was a https thing like the youtubes

  57. Paul, it would seem that it in spite of what the MSM and the opposition think, that it takes a little more than being “a volunteer” plus numerous photo ops in lycra and other assorted costumes for people to consider Abbott a worthy leader. Excellent result, it gives one heart.

  58. Perhaps simple tweets still do, but attached images in tweets might not. Or it could be the mobile bit.

    It’s all too much for me 😦

  59. You know Hall, followed that link again, Still leads to your site, Checked the ALP Face book page, could not find that pic there either, But it does give a good description of what Abbott is.

    Hall, also looked at Tom R list, then your reply, I see again you have not given an example of what the LNP could do better at.

  60. Iain said:

    jayanar @ 2:43 am

    Difference is old fellow I am not writing rubbish. The chain e mail spammer is.

    If that is your rationale then you have no excuse at all and you should immediately put your name to your piece.

    I say: since when have you had the authority to tell the writers here how and who they should post as?

  61. Yes anyone who reads Miranda divine with any brains would wrap…anyone who posts divine is a halfwit. Migs is that a banning offence, after all she blocked me from Twitter for stating facts, CT said that was a badge of honor.

  62. trying to highlight the hypocrisy an anonymous Author criticising anonymity.

    Where exactly was the anonymity criticised?

  63. Iain and,

    Are you making it a condition of commenting here that all contributors address their interlocutors by their Screen name Min? Or am I being singled out because Florence has complained to you? In fairness if you want to impose such a rule upon me then you should be consistent and insist that everyone does as you ask of me

    I would suggest that you cease from attacking people, and in particular Cu. Not that you are worthy of a response, but to clarify the answer is no, Cu certainly has not complained to me. As can be noted, I spoke in generalities. This is clearly a matter of common courtesy, to address people in their preferred manner. The fact that you chose to single Cu out for your attack provides proof of your ongoing vendetta. Choose to abide by common courtesy or piss off would be my recommendation. In this matter I speak only for myself and not for the blogmaster.

  64. Hall,

    Are you making it a condition of commenting here that all contributors address their interlocutors by their Screen name Min? Or am I being singled out because Florence has complained to you? In fairness if you want to impose such a rule upon me then you should be consistent and insist that everyone does as you ask of me

    Hall, Maybe you should apply this policy on your own site first, and not tell other site admin on how to run there site,

  65. Migs
    I’m not telling an author what to do just trying to highlight the hypocrisy an anonymous Author criticising anonymity.

    I didn’t see any hypocrisy from jayanar. I merely observed that the article he/she wrote about was a load of indefensible crap.

    He/she was spot on.

  66. Tom, good to see. It has been an urban myth now for some years that defamatory comments somehow do not count if committed either via a blog or by using an anonymous blog name. It has taken the law some time to catch up with the alternative media re anti-discrimination and defamation, but cases reaching either out of court settlements or judicial rulings are now quite common.

  67. When someone says “Tony Abbott is a Christian” I hear “Tony Abbott believes in dark age fairytales.”

  68. If he had a been a Crow’s player then I would have fully supported the abuse hurled at him

    I thought any ex footy player was open for abuse these days.

    Didn’t you once play up in the hills at one time? 😉

  69. Miranda Devine…FFS !

    She’d be the one weeping…nobody died in the fires.

    After Black Saturday she wrote that “the Greenies” had blood on their hands and should be strung up.

    It was one of the most disgusting pieces of journalism to come out of that sad event.

  70. Miranda Devine quoting J. K. Galbraith…now that’s irony for you.

    I’ve read most of Galbraith’s books. And the ones I haven’t read are sitting on my bookshelf, waiting.

    Now somebody as warped as Devine would struggle getting past the book cover for Galbraith was a card carrying social democrat, that is, a communist (in her eyes). Like this website.

  71. Speaking of quotes, I came across this recently in the frontispiece of Don Watson’s “Death Sentence”:

    “Language most shows a man: speak that I may see thee” (Ben Jonson)

    I didn’t have anyone particular in mind :mrgreen:

  72. I think Mr Hall is attempting to ask me out by constantly demanding my name. Next minute it will be my phone number. Then nude selfies on Twitter. Who knows where it will end. Open shower doors?

    Ashbygate move over – Iaingate is here.

    After all I have literally hundreds of thousands of names to pick from which I could use and he wouldn’t know the difference.

    Well sorry to disappoint you old man, I am already taken and I don’t have intimate congress with right wingers. Tends to frighten the children.

  73. Somebody wrote admiringly of Abbott’s credentials in Economics.

    I will never forget when he opined that getting single mums (ie, long term unemployed) back into the workforce would “raise productivity”.

    In an HSC exam that statement would get a Fail, like almost everything else he says that touches on the subject.

  74. ME @8.39am, as evidenced by his immediate negabore reaction at the faintest suggestion that a policy initiative may be in the offing. He and Sloppy have made idiots of themselves more than once canning a non-existent policy.

    Could these be the examples of Liealot’s sound administrative skills and clear head under pressure that has Iain Hall convinced of his superior claims to be PM?

    If you take the view that stimulus was necessary you might give them a tick for this however for it to be an achievement then you would have to consider the nature of the stimulus and how much bang per buck that the spending gave us and on that count Labor gets a very marginal pass mark.

    Another gormless chunk of Liars spin. The purpose of the stimulus was to keep people employed, particularly in the building industry which was flagging. By any measure, the stimulus was a great success; unemployment stayed low.

    Both the building industry and the retail sector, the major employer in this country, remained viable. Employers in those areas had the confidence to retain staff. In fact it was the industry which Liars barrackers credit with saving the day which retrenched workers wholesale. So much for that myth.

    Even so I don’t look for novelty in a possible Prime Minister I look for sound administrative skills, endurance and an ability to keep a cool head under pressure, Abbott meets those criteria.

    A cool head under pressure. Does that include running away when you’re asked probing question, refusing to answer questions, running away when a certain MP moves towards opposition benches, hiding behind your deputy’s skirts because you’re too gutless to do the job yourself, engaging in sleazy smear campaigns, lying to the AEC and the Parliament about your role in establishing a slush fund, repeatedly lying about the price on carbon and its effect on small businesses and people’s lives…..?

    Need I go on? There’s not enough hours to list Liealot’s appalling record of bullying, lying, spitefulness, laziness, complete incompetence in and ignorance of economics and law, the two disciplines he apparently read at Oxford.

    Did I mention the compulsive lying and the fact that the Independent MPs Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott wouldn’t trust him to run a chiook raffle let alone this country?

    Hope you’re fighting fit again soon, Ricky.

    …….piss off would be my recommendation

    An excellent recommendation, Min. Courtesy and good manners seem to be lacking in certain individuals, it seems. If CU wished to be referred to by another name, I’m sure she would have made it clear.

  75. Yes, how does one know that Florence is not another of my nom de plumes.

    As for the name Hall, that could one of his many names he goes under.

    One also needs a phone number and address. Hall are you willing to offer that.

    If not, I suggest you shut up.

  76. Sue
    thanks for the clarification a pity they were not pursued as hard as Slipper. A lot of blog comments refer to what if, Abbort gone, Teflon, Sloppy or Morrison slide in as his replacement. Fine now what about the rest of his front bench who from the dismal backbench to replace the dismal front one. They need a clean sweep but not much has changed except the LOTO over the last 5 years.

  77. All Back and better,(well safe) bit of a heart scare. Checked under the hood and got the OK. My meds are a TNF blocker which can have severe side effects, so any chest pain is treated very seriously. It cost me $5.50 a month instead of $2k and has given me my life back. Thank our stars for the PBS (another great Ben Chifley Labor program) and public hospitals. Ran all the tests and I’m fine…Thanks for the well wishes 🙂

    It may have been an allergic reaction to all the Troll bullshit in here, it does surpress my immune system 🙄

  78. “It may have been an allergic reaction to all the Troll bullshit in here, it does surpress my immune system :roll:”

    I make a habit of using latex gloves when responding and cleaning the keyboard with iso-propyl alcohol afterwards Ricky.

  79. Thanks guys I really do appreciate it, My dad died of a massive heart attack in the industrial arbitration tribunal @ age 58. Mum died @ 71 of a massive heart attack, so its in my family. I’m 51 so am now officially in the cautious years 🙂

    Jack sometimes you just gotta get your hands dirty, but troll shit is pretty foul.

  80. Tory Torchers turn tides…….. ’cause they gots good hearts…. and ya sure got some ‘ticka’ Ricky- troll-torcher…. take care… 🙂

  81. I just love karma

    hall proves what a low life scumbag it is.

    Doesn’t address earlier slurs, just makes more

    fuck off to ya sandpit, ya’ gutless wonder.

  82. Priceless

    It could be. hall got the link removed last time I put it up. Couldn’t address anything in it, just hide it away. So, not sure what Migs reaction will be, but, after halls comment, it’s the least he deserved. A little ‘background’ information on halls past.

    Biased. it certainly is. But, he’s one who doesn’t mind bias in our media. Fairs fair.

  83. Tom R

    explains why CU received such attention from the troll, use of the “personal’ name, pointing out spelling, grammar and supposedly lack of a superior intellect and of course a mere woman.

    And then up the nastiness when some one reveals a personal fact, such as is the case with Ricky

    pathetic really and gutless but more importantly an insight into their own self

    thanks Tom R


  84. I am endlessly amazed that CU,ToM Rciky et al think that I should be all caring and compassionate about someone who has made it their mission in life to attack me personally at every opportunity. Karma is all about a cosmic balance and there being a just reward for the things that we do in our lives and while I don’t actually wish ill-health on anyone (not even Rciky) I see no problem in appreciating that Karma has a way of just happening.
    Hari Om

  85. Sorry about posting the link again Migs, but I was pretty pissed off

    I put up with a lot, but some things step over the line.

    That stepped.

  86. I’m getting pissed off myself, Tom.

    I’m getting sick of one person trying to disrupt, derail and destroy this place. I think it’s time I politely asked Iain to take up his cause elsewhere. I haven’t got time for this shit.

  87. Speaking of Karma, I used to do readings for Osho at Mullumbimby..leader Shahido knows a lot about Karma and it’s not necessarily about balance, it’s more about Justice. Unjust treatment of others on this blog is unacceptable, just my opinion.

  88. ” their mission in life to attack me personally at every opportunity”

    Hall, surely you have given some thought as to why.

  89. surely you have given some thought

    That really is asuming too much.

    Glad to hear it Migs. I was surprised you tolerated him for as long as you did.

    And, I hope you are recuperating well Ricky. I also have a family history of hart conditions. In one way way, it is a cloud hanging over, but in another, forewarned is also good, as it adds incentive to eat and live healthier

    One day I will too 😉

  90. Hall, ages ago, when I took you to task for the tone of your comments, you inform me there was no way you were giving up your game, that you were having too much fun.

    In other words, we could like it or lump it.

    I told you at the time, if it was the game you want, I will lob back every serve you send our way. I have kept to my word. Others seem to have the same desire to do so. I do believe if one has something to say, one should take responsibility for their act

    You serve, I lob back. The choice was yours at anytime to desist in the personal comments you insisted in ,making. It was only a matter of time before you went to far.

    Same go for anyone else that persists in the same tactics.

    I do not mind the sport either, but it is boring for others that visit.

    This site is about a lot more, than proving who is the best

    It is I believe about sharing and exchanging ideas. It is not abpuit personal battles.

    In spite of the trolls, this does occur.

  91. I posted ‘the’ link at the Sandpit and got told to F* OFF in big letters ‘n all…. of course my comment has been moderated….. but hey I only did it in the spirit of fun, Iain
    😆 😆 😆 😆

  92. Iain Hall JANUARY 16, 2013 @ 10:57 AM
    Rciky I just love karma blockquote>

    Talks about Karma, wish’s me harm and Flames me? This guy is one sick puppy.

    Iain Hall
    JANUARY 16, 2013 @ 1:37 PM
    Not at all Tom, because there is no hatred in my heart.

    And that defines Iian Hall Right there.. . Its Karma in his twisted little universe.

    Tom R
    JANUARY 16, 2013 @ 1:27 PM
    Karma is all about a cosmic balance. Then you’re fucked!.

    Tom that is the first right wing Buddhist hippy I have ever heard of, told you he is barking mad.

    Miglo
    JANUARY 16, 2013 @ 1:31 PM Rciky
    I just love karma……….
    That is unacceptable..

    Thanks Migs. 🙂 Apparently not accorded to his twisted thinking. What a nasty little troll

    Tom R
    JANUARY 16, 2013 @ 1:36 PM
    Sorry about posting the link again Migs, but I was pretty pissed off I put up with a lot, but some things step over the line. That stepped. .

    Like I said he is a nutter.

    Miglo
    JANUARY 16, 2013 @ 1:38 PM
    I’m getting pissed off myself, Tom.
    I’m getting sick of one person trying to disrupt, derail and destroy this place. I think it’s time I politely asked Iain to take up his cause elsewhere. I haven’t got time for this shit..

    Thanks Migloo, Neither have I , he is a vacuous black hole of idiocy. Horrible mug shot on dramatica, He’s an ugly bastard inside and out that’s for sure . 🙄

    Min
    JANUARY 16, 2013 @ 1:46 PM
    Speaking of Karma, I used to do readings for Osho at Mullumbimby..leader Shahido knows a lot about Karma and it’s not necessarily about balance, it’s more about Justice. Unjust treatment of others on this blog is unacceptable, just my opinion..

    Thank you for your unbridled intelligence, spiritual awareness and understanding Min. Quoting someone like Lennon (one of my heroes) , makes me sick to the stomach, he obviously does not understand what Lennon is saying. If fact if Lennon was alive today, he would attack him as a leftist as he would not know jack shit about Lennon and Yoko’s politics and high art.

    Catching up JANUARY 16, 2013 @ 1:46 PM
    ” their mission in life to attack me personally at every opportunity”
    Hall, surely you have given some thought as to why..

    He is so deluded that he has no idea. He’s a loony. We post facts and that pisses him off. He is fundamentally quite stupid.Anyone that has a blog defending Andrew Bolt is a sock puppet.

    . Iain Hall
    JANUARY 16, 2013 @ 1:44 PM
    As you wish Migs,
    So long and thanks for all the fish

    Mission accomplished?.. George Bush on an Aircraft carrier comes to mind.
    Boomin backatcha Hall, the thing about Karma is its not just a word, its a way of life. Thanks Whisperers for your kind words and support. I’m all about truth, its a powerful weapon.

  93. Was wondering where that tactless, factless, troll lying scumbag had disappeared too, I say good riddance to him.

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