Thank you for a memorable year

And so closes a remarkable year. Who would have predicted the events that were cast upon us?

Ironically, it was a year of failed predictions. Tony Abbott predicted that the sky would fall in. Fail. Tony Abbott predicted an election. Fail. Tony Abbott predicted he’d take up residence in The Lodge. Fail. Tony Abbott predicted that Whyalla would be destroyed. Fail. Tony Abbott predicted that the mining tax would kill the industry. Fail. I predicted that Tony Abbott would be replaced as leader of the Opposition. Fail. Even our own el gordo predicted a global ice age. Fail.

Even the Mayans failed, but unlike Tony Abbott they won’t be back next year to keep on failing.

Tony Abbott hasn’t failed to keep us busy on the blog this year. We just love talking about him and people love reading about him. Mention his name and people come flocking. He has just helped us have our best month ever, in what is traditionally our worst month each year. And within our best month ever we’ve also had our best day and best week. He is pushing us closer to welcoming our 750,000th visitor, which I predict we’ll see on New Years Day. Now that’s one prediction I’m confident of.

The message I’ve heard over the last few months is that people want us to focus primarily on politics. Some of the people who comment here leave the media for dead and it would be amiss of me not to encourage their political contributions. So in 2013 we’ll be traveling in top political gear. And if people haven’t got the message yet: we support the left side of politics in Australia and we want to see the Gillard Government returned after next years election.

Another message I’d like to convey is a big thank you to all of you for a memorable year for us at the Café. That even includes those who don’t see eye to eye with us. Sometimes you can be irritating to say the least, but the fact you are contributing here suggests that we’re making enough noises to attract your attention.

In 2013 we’re going to be even noisier.

On a personal note, I’ve had a tough year health wise and without trying to sound too melodramatic I didn’t think the blog could have kept going. Without the efforts of Min and Catching up it may not have, however, nothing pumps me up like an election year and I’ll race into 2013 with my ears pinned back. In fact, I’ve never enjoyed my blogging more than I have the last few months. That’s because of the great people who gather here.

Some months ago I put up a post about the Café moving to a different WordPress platform. This still might happen in 2013, but I’ll wait until we reach 1,000,000 hits because we will be losing those stats in the move. Yep, we’ll have to start at zero again. Thems the breaks.

My next message is . . . Happy New Year everybody. I look forward to seeing you here in 2013.

249 comments on “Thank you for a memorable year

  1. Migs, well done on your best year, and your best month and likewise to Min, Cu and the many intelligent contributors ( and those not so intelligent,… trolls 😛 ).

    2013 is going to be a hell of a year, and CW has a big part to play, so lets give em shit! 😀

    Happy new year all 😀 😎 😆

    Cheers 🙂 😀 😆

  2. A wonderful blog made so by the enthusiastic bloggers. Thank you all for your great efforts of getting the truth out there.

  3. Hi Kevin and thanks.

    That’s interesting that Grog should mention us. Something nice I hope. 🙂

    BTW, according to the Alexa world rankings we now get more traffic than Grogs Gammut, TPS, Mr Denmore and Andrew Elder.

  4. Abbott Fail .. Nothing makes me smile, more than reading that.. Love your blog.. All the best for the coming election year …. #Abbottfail 🙂

    Sent from my iPhone

  5. I’m a relative newie to Cafe Whispers. Been an enjoyable ride so far. Looking forward to 2013 and a wealth of informative discussion (and poetry). Happy New Year to you all.

  6. Happy New Year Migs. Thanks ever so much for being here! Wishing the best for the Cafe and your own health in 2013.

    And if people haven’t got the message yet: we support the left side of politics in Australia and we want to see the Gillard Government returned after next years election

    One request: Can we have that back as the strapline at the top of the site: Proudly left wing, I think it used to read. That in itself, in one nutshell, sticks it right up Abbott and the lamestream media. As the song says, Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud.

    😀

  7. Thanks for a great 2012, Migs, Min et al. Hopefully we’re in for an even better 2013 when Julia romps home as Liealot is prosecuted for bribery and corruption along with Prissy, Bishop, J, Brough and Ashby.

  8. Well, there’s no way you’ve failed as Blogmaster! Where would we all be without you, Migs? I particularly have appreciated your mentorship in guiding me into a new career very late in my life. Without your help and support I could never have set up my own site.

    So I now know how much time and energy it takes not just to write a post but to monitor and respond to all the comments that will generate. Most of them positive, but enough of them negative to be an enormous emotional drain. So much so that for myself I decided to simply use my site as a sort of depot to record the notes leading to the pomes I’ve posted, along with many of the nice comments they’ve elicited from some lovely people at Cafe Whispers and elsewhere.

    It gives me something to leave to my grandkids showing them what their old Nana was mucking around with on the computer. As well it gives me something to gloat over in my dotage! Which is approaching inexorably. Time is still on your side, though, This has been a tough year for you, Migs, but you’ve pulled through and you’ve still given thought to others. And look at what you’ve achieved! Well done for 2012! You’ll be making even more of a difference in Election Year, 2013!

    As Talk Turkey would say over at The Political Sword – VENCEREMOS!

  9. 750,000 hits …… and on New Years Day……… can you imagine the prize for that 🙄 ………. which reminds me …has Cu got her ‘workchoices’ mouse mat yet 🙄 …… apart from the prizes and the serious lack of service in the cellar… CW is as informative as it is witty, as we puss through the misinformation age, places like the Cafe will be remembered.
    Congrat’s Migs and co. …. thanks for being……….. 🙂

  10. Yep great blog hope it continues onwards and upwards.

    Congratulations to the blog owner/manager who ever you are.

    A question, is Iain Hall one of Tony Abbott’s love children?

  11. Well thank you too from me Migs for providing a venue where you are not afraid to allow dissenting voices to your latte sipping Groupthink , long may that trend continue.
    As for your predictions for the coming year, well I for one do not think that Gillard has any chance of recovering enough in the esteem of the voting public to retain office. In fact Labor are most likely to face a rout of historic proportions. Anyway I expect that you will find it quite liberating to switch from defending a bad Labor government to attacking a Coalition administration because attacking is easier than defending as I discovered late in 2007 when Rudd won the election.

    PJ
    thanks for the mention but my endorsement of the coalition at this point in time is quite simply because they are more likely to provide a sound administration without Labor’s ludicrous Carbon Tax and other “Climate change” nonsense. Anyway I did a test a while ago and it says that I am a centre lefty , who would have thunk that?

  12. Migs thanks for your tireless efforts in the face of crookness. This is a place to be proud of where the voice of reason is illumined by the stupidity of factless trolls. I will continue to point out the truth and fact above the lies and predictions of the myan like floposition, undeniably the worst in Australian history. 2013 is the year that Tony Abbott will ultimately fail like the trolls who refuse to give us their best 6, proving they don’t even believe in him. Min and cu and all the crew at wispers, thank you for your substantial efforts in making this blog a great place to radiate reality. To all the trolls…. Massive fail . Like Obama, Labor will be returned and the negative naysay of fear and smear will reveal Rabbits true colors, the largest bullshit artist in Australian political history.

  13. Ricky
    You speak with a forked tongue when you say: ” like the trolls who refuse to give us their best 6,” I twice gave you six and I also responded to your own silly six .
    Can you at least try to be a bit more honest in the way that you characterise what we conservatives say? Oh yeah and it would help if you could learn the difference between providing an answer to your challenges and providing an answer that would convince lefties like you who are utterly intransigent in their opinions.

  14. Some must be finding it hard to hear some of the positive comments about this government, lead by out first PM. It appears more are feeling confident about the future,

    It must be irritating for those who have for over two years predicted her demised, to wake up today, to find the lady PM is more entrenched than ever.

    Yes, it is true, Mr. Abbott and his cohorts have been proven wrong, the sky is still above us, it has not fallen in.

    Too much exaggeration, bullying and spin that has come to naught, will lead to his downfall. Not one of his predictions of devastation have come to fruition. He has been proven wrong on all occasions.

    Yes, I am looking forwarded to a good new year.

    Yes, I agree that the PM was right yesterday, when she said she would launch on the first of July, the NDIS and Gonski, then concentrate on being re-elected.

    Yes a happy new year to all,

    .

  15. Another failure for Tony Abbott among coalition voters as the year ends. In the last Newspoll of the year on “voter’s attitude to cost of living”, those foolish enough to believe Tony Abbott’ s gloom/negative spin about the carbon price have finally realised they were told a big fat lie. I suppose you would have to summarise those are the same voters responsible for the huge plunge in Abbott’ s personal approval rating.

    “The biggest shifts in consumer sentiment occurred among Coalition voters, with the percentage who thought their standard of living would get worse in the next six months dropping 14 points, from 48 per cent in June, to 34 per cent in December. The 48 per cent figure for Coalition supporters in June, ahead of the implementation of the carbon tax, was the highest since the global financial crisis in 2008.”
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/voters-sense-better-days-as-tax-fears-fade-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226545489306

  16. Miglo thanks for your compliments, but I have done no more that enjoy the site.

    Happy new year to both you and Min.

    Next year will be good for most, I do believe.

  17. Iain troll, those six were complete crap, and if they are the best six that you can come up with, then you are in real trouble.

    As I pointed out before under the criteria you put forward, Pol Pot would qualify to run this country as well as my Schnauzer, who is also loveable, cute, friendly and smart, qualities that Abbott doesn’t possess.

    Ricky’s fine, you are the one with a forked tongue.

    Happy new year 😛

  18. I like Cuppa’s request and the Cafe’s response.

    Thanks for a great 2012 and 2013 is going to be even better
    .
    But on the lighter side, please, please to the poets and prose writers, rest and prepare and on the musical side i hope the Cafe will have some time for Friday night, musical clips.

    cheers to all

  19. Thanks for the year and a nice place to go.

    Looking forward to 2013 whichever way the election pans out. That’s up the people and I’ve always accepted that at both State and Federal level, even though I might not have liked the results.

    That’s more than I can say for the right wingers, who are the sorest losers and biggest dummy spitters on the the planet and can never accept they lose, even years later.

    Here’s hoping that in 2013 the MSM start to scrutinise Abbott and the opposition as an alternative government as you do here. And here’s hoping the two calls for investigations into Abbott’s past corruptions are fully investigated.

  20. Voters sense better days as tax fears fade: Newspoll
    BY: DENNIS SHANAHAN, POLITICAL EDITOR From: The Australian December 31, 2012 12:00AM

    GOING into an election year, voters are the least pessimistic about their standard of living in the months ahead than at any time since the early months of the Gillard Labor government – apparently boosted by Coalition voters who most feared the impact of the carbon tax.

    Six months after the implementation of the carbon tax on July 1, and after successive official interest rate cuts, the highest number of people since Kevin Rudd was prime minister think their standard of living will stay the same and the lowest number since the first six months of the Gillard government think it will get worse..

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/voters-sense-better-days-as-tax-fears-fade-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226545489306

  21. Iaian Hall,

    I can’t speak for Ricky (he’s more than capable of doing that on his own). The reason I am cynical and distrustful of right-wing trolls is the long history of dishonesty from the RW side of politics.

    Let’s pick an arbitrary point, the government of John Howard. He’s held up as practically the spritual leader of the Liberals (inasmuch as they have a spirit), so let’s use him as an example. His government was the most dishonest in living memory, and perhaps the most scandal-prone federal government ever in this country.

    If you want evidence for this claim I am happy to provide it. However the evidence is lengthy (there’s a lot of it!), and for that reason it would derail this celebratory thread.

    In Opposition the Liberals (so-called Liberals) have been dishonest, scheming, lazy, sullen, arrogant and shrill. Rather than presenting thought-out, costed policies for the electorate’s consideration they have consistently tried to force their way into power through the back door. There was the Grech Affiar where senior Liberals conspired with a crooked public servant who used faked documents. The slurring of Thomson, who has never been charged with any offense. The AWU beat-up about which the Prime Minister stood and answered every single question. The smearing and sheer bastardry laid on the Independents by the Liberals and their media. And lately the AshbyGate scandal where Liberals conspired and abused the court process to destroy one of their own in an effort to wreck the legitimate elected government.

    Then there’s Abbott, surely one of the most dishonest party leaders this country has ever been disgraced with. So many of his lies are documented and still being pumped out, yet he projects “dishonesty” onto one Julia Gillard as though to make out that dishonesty is HER failing.

    In short, the right side of politics is a disgrace. It treats the public with contempt, giving them no real opportunity to choose on policy, just to bludgeon their way into power and then hit the public with the previously undisclosed toxic “policies”.

    Anyway I won’t continue to lower the tone of this thread with stating the obvious, so like it or lump it, Hall.

    To the Cafe mods, Miglo, Min and Catching Up, and patrons of good will, Happy New Year!

  22. Cuppa, exceptionally well said. As many may have noticed I haven’t had nearly as many opportunities to author and indeed to contribute during the past few months as I have in the past 2 and a half years, however hopefully this will all change in the coming months. It has most definitely not been a matter of lack of enthusiasm but a simple matter of time.

    To all other Admin, Authors and contributors at the Cafe, may you have a safe and happy New Year.

  23. I am an avid reader of CW and just love it , except for the right wing freaks. Have a great new year and thanks for your top class work this year. Thanks again.

  24. Thanks for the hard work Migs, Min & CU. Happy New Year to all and may the LNP be fighting over the spoils of defeat until 2016 at least).

  25. Good stuff Migs, Min, Cu., a truly excellent meeting place and forum.Thank you for all your efforts in sustaining the Cafe, here’s wishing all contributors and posters a brilliant 2013.
    I’m looking forward to Tone’s coming humiliations, as the truth about the “real Tony” continues to emerge in what promises to be an “interesting” year for him and the sycophantic troll army he inspires. 😈

  26. Catching up @ 7:26 am

    Some must be finding it hard to hear some of the positive comments about this government, lead by out first PM. It appears more are feeling confident about the future,

    Gillard may be our first female PM Florence but our first PM was Edmund Barton

    It must be irritating for those who have for over two years predicted her demised, to wake up today, to find the lady PM is more entrenched than ever.

    Well if you call hanging on my her fingernails entrenched she is all right and dandy 😉

    Yes, it is true, Mr. Abbott and his cohorts have been proven wrong, the sky is still above us, it has not fallen in.

    Too much exaggeration, bullying and spin that has come to naught, will lead to his downfall. Not one of his predictions of devastation have come to fruition. He has been proven wrong on all occasions.

    So where is Labor’s Surplus then Florence? because Tony Abbott has been saying that Labor will never bring down a surplus and have you forgotten Wayne Swan’s announcement?

    .

    Truth Seeker @ 7:34 am

    Iain , those six were complete crap, and if they are the best six that you can come up with, then you are in real trouble.

    The challenge was to provide six reasons why Tony Abbott would be a better PM, not six reasons why that would convince latte sippers like you, thus your opinion of those reasons is utterly irrelevant and that opinion does not negate the simple fact that the challenge was met.

    Cuppa @ 8:04 am

    Iain Hall,

    I can’t speak for Ricky (he’s more than capable of doing that on his own). The reason I am cynical and distrustful of right-wing trolls is the long history of dishonesty from the RW side of politics.

    Lets be real here shall we? Neither side of politics have any monopoly on virtue and the truth. to think otherwise suggests that you must have had a political lobotomy.

    Let’s pick an arbitrary point, the government of John Howard. He’s held up as practically the spritual leader of the Liberals (inasmuch as they have a spirit), so let’s use him as an example. His government was the most dishonest in living memory, and perhaps the most scandal-prone federal government ever in this country.

    Have you really looked at the Rudd/Gillard record recently? 🙄

    If you want evidence for this claim I am happy to provide it. However the evidence is lengthy (there’s a lot of it!), and for that reason it would derail this celebratory thread.

    Evidence required please 😉

    Then there’s Abbott, surely one of the most dishonest party leaders this country has ever been disgraced with. So many of his lies are documented and still being pumped out, yet he projects “dishonesty” onto one Julia Gillard as though to make out that dishonesty is HER failing.

    Compared to this:

    Abbott is an angel

    In short, the right side of politics is a disgrace. It treats the public with contempt, giving them no real opportunity to choose on policy, just to bludgeon their way into power and then hit the public with the previously undisclosed toxic “policies”.

    Their polices are right there on their- website

    Anyway I won’t continue to lower the tone of this thread with stating the obvious, so like it or lump it, Hall.

    Oh I like the Cafe just as it is Cuppa, after all where else would I get such sport with the likes of your own good self?

  27. Well if you call hanging on my her fingernails entrenched she is all right and dandy 😉

    Now how many bills passed in Parliament was it again? Oh yes that’s right..lots and lots..and lots.

    Great article by Victoria Rollison titled Living on Bullshit Mountain.

    When you’re having a debate with someone and they start to abandon facts, you can almost guarantee you’re right. Or if they respond to your evidence with a personal insult, you can also be fairly assured that you are, in fact, correct. This is never more so than in political debate. It seems that the Liberal Party and their supporters have abandoned any semblance of civilised discussion, and are instead invoking the ‘bullshit my way through this’ technique whenever they are questioned.

    http://victoriarollison.com/2012/12/30/living-on-bullshit-mountain/

  28. Min
    Surely with your personal experience of the political process you can’t really believe that the number of bills passed means anything of substance?
    if you have the numbers to form government then you can pass legislation, its a nonsense to suggest that it means anything more than that.

  29. As a prediction for this coming year, I would expect the PM to concentrate on the positives which will provide a direct comparison to Tony Abbott’s brain farts policies.

    I would expect the Murdoch media in particular to enter into battle mode and attempt as many distractions as possible..scandal is always a headliner and so if the Libs can dredge something up..perhaps, knowing the Daily ‘graph and it’s standard, something along the lines of: that a psychic said that Julia was Adolf Eichmann in “a past life”..this is given blazing headlines so as to coincide with the announcement of a major initiative of the government’s…of course..

    I would expect a scandal pertaining to refugees to be in the fore (likewise coinciding precisely with any positive pertaining to the government)..this story (unconfirmed of course by an unknown) will be taken as factual information with it’s entrails dissected on every Morning Talk show in the country. The retraction of this story will be placed at the bottom of Page 17 just under the advert for discounts on ladies spencers.

    This reminds me. My vote for Best Line of the Year goes to Tom R. Thank you Tom, via your good self the term Unnamed Sauces has entered our vocabulary. 🙂

  30. Umm err..yes a successful government is known by it’s achievements not by negative publicity emanating from the (un)popular press.

  31. Hall

    Evidence required please

    Hall asking for evidence, he never provides any, where is the evidence I asked for the other day you Lazy galah.

  32. Sorry Hall, so amiss of me to make that monstrostrous mistake by leaving the word female out. Yes, I mean our first female PM.

    I believe that is the only one I have made in the comment. Then maybe as you are the font of all knowledge, I have got much wrong.

    One thing for sure, you will not be backward in giving your opinion. An opinion by the way, that many on this site appear to have no respect for, or desire to hear.

    That surplus is well and truly in the making. Just a little later.

    Now Hall, I have been listening to what people consider the most newsworthy on ABC 24. Have not heard the word surplus mentioned once. Not have I heard the word “debt”. Come to think of it, the name of Abbott has been rarely mentioned.

    The big news of today seems to be the about the far tight in the USA bringing the global economy to the brink, and going over the cliff. Mainly because they believe that the wealthy should pay less, and the lower income earner carries the full weight. Yes, they see the answer of lower taxes for the wealthy and taking away of benefits for the unemployed and vulnerable. Yes, Hall, I believe the world might be listening to this one.

    The other news is about the death of Dennis Ferguson. Do not glorify in any death but at least the children are now safer.

    Yes, Hall, I am looking forwarded to Australia having a prosperous new year. I cannot see any real future for Mr. Abbott. Well not in politics, and any other

    Yes, that surpluses that mean little.

    I heard Mr. Hewson remark, that Howard was wrong in his endeavour to lower taxes. Hall do you know they deficit could disappear quickly.

    If Mr.Rudd did not follow his lead land lower taxes further, we would now be in a better proposition. Even so, we are not that far away from a surplus. If the Yanks get it correct, we could even reach it.

    There has been a massive reduction in the deficit this year. Yes, there have been big reductions.

    Hall, what is the difference between a small deficit and a small surplus? Not anything noticeable, I believe.

    No it is not another broken promise. All action was taken to get a surplus. It is a promise that at the most, the PM could not deliver, because of the global economy, falling ore prices being the main culprit.

    Hall, you are the one that talks about virtue. Have no idea what you are raving on about.

    “Evidence required please”

    Do not be so lazy, just Google, It just pops up, pages and pages.

    Most of it comes out of his own mouth, that is when he is not removing a foot.
    .

  33. Troll, if you think the the “Challenge ” was met, you are really comprehensionally challenged.

    It is not my opinions, but you that is irrelevant. Pathetic truly pathetic 😦

  34. Troll, I would have considered the challenge met if you were five years old, but not from an alleged adult.

    But from your comments and responses, I suppose that we can all assume that five is your mental and emotional age.

    Your family must be so proud? Sad 😦 Very sad 😦

  35. Hall, what do you consider a bill of substance.

    I suspect you have no idea or interest in what has been passed.

    There are many there of great substance, in many different fields.

    Whether it is the environment, Health Education, economy, gambling, super and many more. The list is endless.

    Over four hundred in all.

    Hall, what would you have liked to see brought into play.

  36. Migs, Min, Sue and all the whisperers happy new year. It has been an up and down year not just in politics. It is good to see Ian Hall in fine form still using the carbon tax selected text message sub edited once again and leaving out the full statement.

    The fact that the Lieberals have been using it for two years now and claiming Julia (long may she reign) uttered a lie when the full statement says otherwise, has not been picked up by any media including the abc & sbs (neither worth capitals) says lots about the msm in this country.
    One redeeming factor is we have the Fifth estate in which the general public can express themselves. There are still some of us in the right wing of the Labor party, one needs two wings to fly.
    My prediction is Julia will win the election and a part prediction that the Noalition will realize too late that abbort cannot win it for them and will inject a drovers dog into his position, they have so many (joke) to choose from. Last but not least Migs we still have a few beers to sip together. May the force be with us all

  37. Bilko, the thing is with that misleading lie averment on the Gillard statement is that not once, not even with the slightest wag of a finger, are Abbott’s constant stream of actual lies with some whoppers thrown in damned by the right.

    In constantly bringing up just that one particular falsely claimed lie, the right wingers on every occasion they misrepresent it and not lambast Abbott for his many lies reveal themselves for the hypocrites they are.

    Abbott’s hypocrisy is also revealed every time he attacks Gillard by misrepresenting that statement in that he was pulled up for a promise backdown not long after Gillard announced the Carbon Price, and he used the excuse that “circumstances change.”

  38. Happy new year to all Café patrons, but especially the mine host (Migs) and his more than able assistants – Min & CU 🙂

    May you have all of your needs, and a large dose of your wants fulfilled in 2013.

    The sun’s over the yardarm 😉 – *clink* – here’s to a happy, healthy and prosperous 2013 to most who frequent this very fine establishment. May the power of the universe bring you health, wealth, happiness and prosperity, and may the trolls get every dissapointment that karma can send their way in the 2nd ½ of 2013 🙂

  39. Bilko, Happy New Year to your good self and Mrs. Bilko..that drink is a must in the very near future. I was thinking..that along with Migs’ most worthy task of getting stuck into Abbott at every available opportunity..which shouldn’t be too difficult..that a more challenging task would be to assist in drawing public attention to the achievements of the Gillard government.

    As per Migs, I am excruciatingly disappointed in Labor’s pandering to the redneck vote on the asylum seeker issue. Good politics? Yes. Good policy? Most definitely not. However, having said that, there is not going to be a worse Prime Minister in all of our history than Tony Abbott should Australia have the misfortune for him to become Prime Minister.

  40. With thanks for Jo A* for this excellent idea..

    I am making a commitment for tonight. At 12 midnight I will be shouting out “Tony Abbott Will Never Be Prime Minister”. Nothing else matters. I think if we all video this moment it would send a great big message to the Nation. We will not tolerate Tony Abbott becoming Prime Minister….Who’s in? 🙂

  41. “Eva Braun”

    What did she do that was so bad. That is except for having a poor taste in men.

    One is doer, the other seems to be a user, or at least one that relied on men for her existence.

    Hall, you do say some funny things.. Is it a brain fart, or is it that you cannot think of more to say.

  42. Min, do you really believe that the PM is not working on a new asylum seeking policy. I cannot see her letting the present situation continue. If one looks, there is much going on.

    The PM just needs to ensure the wedge is well and truly in place before she makes her move. We all know that she does indeed plan ahead.

    The funny thing, listening to what Abbott has today, even today, he believes there are votes for him in the present situation. How dense can one be.

    The only interjections the PM got yesterday, was about the asylum seekers and their treatment. It will be the big issue in the New Year.

  43. Mobius, well said ” circumstances change” is abbort’s get out of jail free card but ONLY the lieberals are allowed to use it. I dug up an old Alan Ramsey line from his 26112002 article titled “Howards cronies should join him in the wilderness” the final bit, I left out Costello,Downer and Ruddock (two out of three aint bad) so far gone.
    “Tony Abbott should think about another life outside politics. None are part of the Liberals’ future. For God’s sake, go and make our Christmas complete”. abbort will be like Charlton Heston “they will have to drag it from my dying hands” or wtte, but please let him hang on until mid year, when it would be more appropriate.
    Min, belated merry christmas and on time a Happy New Year.
    I think along Andrew Elder and Jo A lines, Tony Abbott will never be Prime Minister.

  44. The admiration that Liberals have for liars is on open display.

    Iaian Hall said: Abbott is an angel

    Liberals hold liars in the highest regard. The more accomplished the liar the more they look up to them. Their most esteemed living figure is one they themselves dubbed The Lying Rodent. You can see why they admire Abbott: he continues a “fine” Lieberal tradition.

  45. ” Surely with your personal experience of the political process you can’t really believe that the number of bills passed means anything of substance?”

    Of course it does Iain, the government is a coalition with independents and on a wafer thin mandate. Besides most governments just mark time when they’re elected. The Gillard government is a reformist government and have made many changes past governments didn’t have the balls to tackle. You really do know S.F.A. about politics. Still I give you credit in as much you are certainly tenacious in suport of a lost cause, that cause being conservatism. Much the pity you are not on our side of the ledger, bullshit artists with your tenacity and imagination are hard to find.

  46. I’m with Bandt Min.

    The opposition are so busy being negative and trying to bring down a government instead of putting up their own policies and amendments that is the norm for oppositions, sometimes fighting for weeks or more over a single sentence, it seems 99.9% of government policies can get through with input from the minors and indies.

    It could be debated whether this is a good or bad thing but for mine it mostly has to be bad, meaning this opposition is really bad at its job.

  47. Folks just read Victoria Rollison’s blog re bullshit mountain where it shows clearly where the noalition get their slogans from, The worst PM/Gov/anything etc. Reading elsewhere their responses to BO being re-elected, we can hear in advance what our noalition will be saying after Julia romps home next year, so stay tuned out to msm until this time next year when they may come to their collective senses or the old goat in his NY mansion falls off the perch.

  48. And to everybody else too who has provided comments of support. You are all valued contributors here and I hope to get the opportunity to address you all personally.

  49. Catching up @ 10:31 am

    Sorry Hall, so amiss of me to make that monstrostrous mistake by leaving the word female out. Yes, I mean our first female PM.

    I believe that is the only one I have made in the comment. Then maybe as you are the font of all knowledge, I have got much wrong.

    Florence, you don’t get sarcasm do you? I of course understood it to be a typo, but you can’t expect me to let it through to the keeper given your attitude to me now can you?

    One thing for sure, you will not be backward in giving your opinion. An opinion by the way, that many on this site appear to have no respect for, or desire to hear.

    Well If I was seeking empty affirmation then I would not sup at this establishment now would I?

    That surplus is well and truly in the making. Just a little later.

    That is not the point Florence, at this point in time the only way that Labor can possibly bring down a surplus is for the party to win office at the next election, which is not very likely. The finer point is that Tony Abbot Predicted this outcome and the fruition of the prediction makes your earlier claim that he is never right in his predictions flat out wrong.

    Now Hall, I have been listening to what people consider the most newsworthy on ABC 24. Have not heard the word surplus mentioned once. Not have I heard the word “debt”. Come to think of it, the name of Abbott has been rarely mentioned.

    Well bully for you Florence, I’ll take your word on that but I don’t think it means much.

    The big news of today seems to be the about the far tight in the USA bringing the global economy to the brink, and going over the cliff. Mainly because they believe that the wealthy should pay less, and the lower income earner carries the full weight. Yes, they see the answer of lower taxes for the wealthy and taking away of benefits for the unemployed and vulnerable. Yes, Hall, I believe the world might be listening to this one.

    You really have an amusing line in typos that make your comments a real hoot, sorry but I have visions of fat Americans in clothes that are far too small for them….. 😆 😆 😆

    The other news is about the death of Dennis Ferguson. Do not glorify in any death but at least the children are now safer.

    He will not be missed by anyone

    Yes, Hall, I am looking forwarded to Australia having a prosperous new year. I cannot see any real future for Mr. Abbott. Well not in politics, and any other

    Gee that sounds like a death threat to me! You are just too naughty ….

    I heard Mr. Hewson remark, that Howard was wrong in his endeavour to lower taxes. Hall do you know they deficit could disappear quickly.

    My eight year old son writes better sentences that those Florence

    If Mr.Rudd did not follow his lead land lower taxes further, we would now be in a better proposition. Even so, we are not that far away from a surplus. If the Yanks get it correct, we could even reach it.

    I’ll bet you a packet of Earl Grey Tea that Labor don’t ever make a surplus under Gillard, are you up for that?

    There has been a massive reduction in the deficit this year. Yes, there have been big reductions.

    And there have been some very big promises fro new spending that is not in the forward estimates, which suggest taht Swan has done his usual trick of cooking the books for political reasons.

    Hall, what is the difference between a small deficit and a small surplus? Not anything noticeable, I believe.

    Yep I’ll accept that on an economic level, however if you have promised the latter as an article of faith and you produce the former the political difference is massive.

    No it is not another broken promise. All action was taken to get a surplus. It is a promise that at the most, the PM could not deliver, because of the global economy, falling ore prices being the main culprit.

    You may be right about the causes Florence but that does not negate the political foolishness of repeating the “certainty” of achieving that surplus long after it was obviously not going to happen

    .
    Truth Seeker @ 10:43 am

    Troll, if you think the the “Challenge ” was met, you are really comprehensionally(sic) challenged.

    It is not my opinions, but you that is irrelevant. Pathetic truly pathetic 😦

    Yawn!!!
    Truth Seeker @ 10:58 am

    Troll, I would have considered the challenge met if you were five years old, but not from an alleged adult.

    But from your comments and responses, I suppose that we can all assume that five is your mental and emotional age.

    Your family must be so proud? Sad 😦 Very sad 😦

    It was a very simple challenge so I produced a simple response.

    Min @ 11:04 am

    Iain, apparently I was a Delphi Oracle..hence the reason for my startlingly accurate predictions. 😉

    😆
    Can you send me the Lotto numbers then Min? I could do with a bit of spare cash what with Christmas an all !


    Catching up @ 11:56 am

    Hall, what do you consider a bill of substance.

    I suspect you have no idea or interest in what has been passed.

    There are many there of great substance, in many different fields.

    Florence do you even understand how the Westminster system even works? Because from your response above I doubt it.
    Frankly it does not matter a jot how good or bad the the bills passed if a government has the numbers it can pass legislation, they all do.

    Bilko@ 12:08 pm

    Migs, Min, Sue and all the whisperers happy new year. It has been an up and down year not just in politics. It is good to see Ian Hall in fine form still using the carbon tax selected text message sub edited once again and leaving out the full statement.

    If you have the uncut Vision pleas post it Sarge, but as I recall it does not make any difference or contain any useful caveats that allow Gillard an out.

    The fact that the Lieberals have been using it for two years now and claiming Julia (long may she reign) uttered a lie when the full statement says otherwise, has not been picked up by any media including the abc & sbs (neither worth capitals) says lots about the msm in this country.

    Please prove this with The “full statement” clip you allude to

    One redeeming factor is we have the Fifth estate in which the general public can express themselves. There are still some of us in the right wing of the Labor party, one needs two wings to fly.

    And there is a great deal of disgust in Labor in general and Gillard in particular in those fifth estate ramblings Sargent.

    My prediction is Julia will win the election and a part prediction that the Noalition will realize too late that abbort cannot win it for them and will inject a drovers dog into his position, they have so many (joke) to choose from.

    I’ll bet a packet of Earl Grey Tea with you too that Abbot leads the Coalition to the next Poll. are you up for that

    Catching up @ 1:38 pm

    “Eva Braun”

    What did she do that was so bad. That is except for having a poor taste in men.

    Well Given Gillards choice in men when she was at Slater and Gordon you may have a small point, however it is unthinkable that Braun could have been at all at odds with Hitler in any of his politics and there is some evidence to suggets that she both encouraged and endorsed his NAZI idology.

    One is doer, the other seems to be a user, or at least one that relied on men for her existence.

    Hall, you do say some funny things.. Is it a brain fart, or is it that you cannot think of more to say.

    Florence It was an entirely natural connection to make in response to Min’s comment and one said with the greatest respect and affection for Min.

    Cuppa @ 2:21 pm

    The admiration that Liberals have for liars is on open display.

    Iain Hall said: Abbott is an angel

    You Misquote me Cuppa I said that compared to Gillard Abbott is an angel He has feet of clay like all of us but just look what the competition fro veracity is 🙄

    P.J. @ 2:50 pm

    ” Surely with your personal experience of the political process you can’t really believe that the number of bills passed means anything of substance?”

    Of course it does Iain, the government is a coalition with independents and on a wafer thin mandate. Besides most governments just mark time when they’re elected.

    The business of even a “mark time” government requires the passage of legislation for some purely procedural reasons, things like budgets and other administrative things need bills through the house, its just how things are done and it would be fair to suggest that a good 80 or 90% of the bills fall into this category so passing those is nothing special by any measure, of those bills that remain even with Gillard’s numbers in the house its likewise not surprising that she was able to pass the legislation.

    The Gillard government is a reformist government and have made many changes past governments didn’t have the balls to tackle. You really do know S.F.A. about politics.

    I know more than you do PJ and I am not encumbered by the foolish belief that changing things is by definition always a good thing.

    Still I give you credit in as much you are certainly tenacious in support of a lost cause, that cause being conservatism. Much the pity you are not on our side of the ledger, bullshit artists with your tenacity and imagination are hard to find.

    I take pride in my tenacity PJ and I think the cause far from lost, Unlike those like you who think that Gillard can win in 2013, well lets see shall we, but win or lose it will be an interesting ride.

  50. The saddest thing I read today was that Abbott said that we would be seeing more of margie and his girls in the new year.

    this should be the question to abbott from the msm

    “will margie and the girls stand and reply to the hard questions, when you as usual walk off and pretend the press have disappeared?”

    and my reason for saying it’s the saddest thing i read, well look how pathetic rudd looked when he sent his family out begging for approval.

  51. Hall. I do hope your eight year old son achieves what you have aspired to but failed.

    I though all my answers, in relation to you, where sarcasm, and nothing else.

    Obviously you do not see them that way.

    One does waste serious answers on fools. Waste of time, in my book.

    As I have said in the past, never have claimed to be an excellent writer, just happy enough to do the best I can. Who said I have to be perfect.

    Miglo, maybe you can show me where that is demanded, as a condition, of those who make comments.

    Where does the lack of formal English skills detract from what I say. I suspect content may be more important than how it is said.

    As I have said, many times, very few are born to be perfect.

  52. I said that compared to Gillard Abbott is an angel

    So to the RWFs, an “angel” is one who tells the most lies.

    That verifies my point about RWFs looking up to liars. The more lies they tell the higher their esteem.

  53. PS. Hall what you write reflects more on you, than the PM. That is something else I am sure your eight year old son could point out to you. If not him, at least your daughter could.

  54. Make that a bottle of whisky. Not that big a tea drinker.

    There will be a surplus, if that is what is warranted. We now know the PM is will to change directions when the circumstances changes. Surpluses are not the end all or important as you seem to believe.

    Hall, once again, what is the difference between a small surplus and a small deficit. That is what we are referring to at this time.

    Why do not you acknowledge that the deficit is up to 40 billion less this year than last.

    If the ore prices keep on the track that they are now on, there could even be a surplus as planned. It appears that ore prices are once again on the way up.

  55. “I know more than you do PJ and I am not encumbered by the foolish belief that changing things is by definition always a good thing.”

    Know all, vain, and now delusional. What you know about anything Iain, would fit on the back of a postage stamp in block letters. OBTW being a tenacious bullshit artist is not a compliment just an observation. If you had a brain Iain, I’m sure you would be indeed, dangerous.

    If you hadn’t worked it out already Iain, replying to your narcissistic horse shit, is just amusement for most people,.

    But carry on that fine conservative tradition Iain , that is ‘ Bullshit baffles Brains ‘

  56. Iain, I was hoping for this to be a thread where I could offer my thanks to all who contribute here. Is there any need to turn it into a slugfest?

  57. Hall, I agree that the PM should not have kept saying a surplus would occur.

    Saying that, It was not seen, up to recently, after it happened, that the ore prices would fall so quickly.

    The PM and Swan were making their predictions on the figures at their finger tips.

    The figures changed. The PM then had to agree with many others, that a surplus at this time, was not on. That it may not occur, and that they would not be making more cuts.

    TO DO SO, WOULD SEND THE ECONOMY INTO FREE FALL.

    I have heard no one else still talking about a surplus. Most know at this time, it is not important.

    Most are more concerned, whether Mr. Swan made the correct decision at this time. Most agree he did.

    The difference between a small surplus and small deficit is politics, nothing to do with economics.

  58. Sorry Min, the spell checker did not pick it up.

    Migs, Hall cannot help himself. Must be a lonely world he lives in.

  59. Cu, Swan should have said should this be the responsible thing to do. In the end the government did the responsible thing, and this is all that matters.

  60. Everyone on here MERRY NEW YEAR, drink plenty, play hard, and everyone come out swinging next year to put the trolls in their place.

  61. Florence,
    bets between friends are best held for token stakes and I would feel awful about taking something as expensive as a bottle of spirits from you when you lose, so if you are not a tea drinker then shall we make it a jar of coffee? Personally I like Machonna medium roast.

    Just to be clear for you to win Labor have to produce a budget surplus before the writs are issued for the federal election and that will mean that you will win and if they are in deficit the I win OK?

    I’ll supply my postal address to Migs so that you can pay up when the time comes 😉

  62. Just as I thought, a cheapstake, as well as being a nasty bit of goods.

    Stop patronizing me, you are not man enough to do so.

    Then living on your wife’s income, maybe you cannot afford to a bottle of whiskey.

    Still, I am not interested in any bet, with the likes of you.

    Just watching some squirm this time next year, will be reward enough.

    No, for some. I do not wish the season’s goodwill.

  63. PS. We are not friends.

    I do not see the importance of a surplus, as you do. If this is so, why should I take on your bet.

    It does not matter if they do or do not at this time. To go after it, with the drop in ore prices, leading to decreased revenues, would be the wrong thing to attempt to do.

    So why would I make a bet about having a surplus. To attempt to do so t this time, that would lead to a free fall in the economy. In fact it is near impossible to do.

    To cut, would only make the deficit bigger.

    Now what about a bet on whether the government has done the right thing or not.

    What about acknowledgement that the budget is still on track to reach a surplus. Yes, the deficit is still going down over time.

    Why do you insist on arguing shit, that means nil.

  64. Migs, not interested in Halls shit. He is talking rot, and I believe he might know it.

    Would not trust the man to have my email address, after reading on other sites what he is capable of.

    So it is clear.

    I DO NOT CARE IF LABOR HAS A SURPLUS OR NOT. IT MEANS NOTHING EITHER WAY.

    IT IS NOT THE TIME TO GO AFTER A SURPLUS.

    ALL BUSINENESS AND EXPERTS ARE SAYING THIS.

    LABOR MADE THE RIGHT DECISION. FURTHER CUTS AT THIS TIME WILL DESTROY THE ECONOMY.

    If this is so, why would I want to bet whether Labor will have a surplus or not.

    Surpluses and deficits are not bad or good within themselves. There is a time and season for both. It is the time to pull back from going after that surplus. Yes, another will come, when the time is right.

    It will depend on ore prices and the state of the world economy.

  65. Florence
    I am not being either a cheapskate nor am I patronising you Now You are the one who is certain that Labor will achieve its surplus when no economist thinks that they will do , heck even Swan had to eat crow and admit that it won’t happen on his watch. While I am impressed with your robust faith in Labor when not even they think that they will reach the benchmark that would let you win the bet you can’t expect me to be a total cad and let you bet a lot on a sure fire looser.
    But If you really want to make it whiskey Lets make it a miniature bottle of which I have one in may drawer. If Labor produces a surplus I will send it too you and if they produce a deficit as I expect them to then you can buy me some Twinings Earl Grey Tea leaves, not the teabags mind you. That is giving you about evens on the bet which is more than fair given the state of the budget .

  66. Hall, have you comprehend one word I have said.

    I have not said there will or not, be a surplus in the words you describe. That is in your head.

    What I have said, it is immaterial whether we have one or not.

    It does not have the importance you put on it. I do not care if we do or not.

    At this time, I believe it would be irresponsible to even attempt to bring one about.

    How many more times do I have to put it, to get through to your brain, if you have one.

    You are arguing with yourself. Do you do that often.

  67. PS, Hall, if those ore price figures rising, there still could be one on schedule.

    No reason why not. What will probably make it more unlikely is what is going on in the good old USA.

    The PM could have made the announcement to take the pressure off, which is has.

    The government has not said there would not be one, only that it would be unlikely. All experts were asking the PM to pull back, which she has.

    When circumstances change, people make different predictions. Not a bad way to be in my estimation.

    At the worst, we will have a small deficit, instead of a small surplus. So what.

    No, I do not want to bet with you. Not interested.

    You have wasted so many words and time, arguing with yourself.

  68. Forget him CU, lest you get dragged into a never-ending spiral of pointlessness. Not worth the time or effort.

    Scroll the Trolls.

  69. Wanted to see how far he will go, Ignores challenges and insults I see. It is like the debates in Alice in Wonderland.

  70. Florence
    You said:

    If Mr.Rudd did not follow his lead land lower taxes further, we would now be in a better proposition. Even so, we are not that far away from a surplus. If the Yanks get it correct, we could even reach it.

    and my challenge to you was:

    I’ll bet you a packet of Earl Grey Tea that Labor don’t ever make a surplus under Gillard, are you up for that?

    You said by way of upping the ante

    Make that a bottle of whisky. Not that big a tea drinker.
    There will be a surplus, if that is what is warranted. We now know the PM is will to change directions when the circumstances changes. Surpluses are not the end all or important as you seem to believe.

    I have said several times that its not achieving the surplus that was important as much as promising to do so when it was all but impossible Labor have no one to blame but themselves fro the resulting bad PR.
    Anyway I don’t care if you don’t have the courage to back up your claims with a humble packet of tea (cost $6.10 + postage) it does not say much about your convictions now does it?

    Ok to finish on a brighter note
    I do sincerely wish all of you Latte-Sippers a very pleasant new-years eve with much shared cheer and may 2013 be both happy and prosperous for you all.
    Cheers Comrades

  71. Ian Hall Earl Grey it is you provide the lemon, mind you i said wtte he can be dumped mid year but personally he can lead them to defeat then punch as many walls as he likes.

  72. Hall, no way can you make that mean, I said would reach it.

    This is the final word.

    Others are becoming bored with your extended the saga, based on twisting what I say.

    After all it is New Years Eve.

  73. Mr, Hewson made a similar comment, that we would be in surpluses if both parties were not so keen on lowering taxes unnecessary so, for pure political not economic reason. I suppose you will dispute that as well, that is you understand what has been said.

    One gets deficits also by not raising the necessary receipts to cover the outgoings, or expenditures.

    That is a debate that is necessary to have in the new year. We need to address structural imbalances,found within the budgets, both state and federal.

  74. Others are becoming bored with your extended the saga, based on twisting what I say.

    Yes CU, I for one am thoroughly sick of domineering, egotistical, simple-minded bloggers. My wish for this class of “contributor” for 2013 is for massive transmission failure on the M1 during peak hour, and that the fleas of a thousand camels may infest their armpits :mrgreen:

  75. Bacchus, what imagination you have. I am afraid that they, along with their hides is so thick, they would not feel a thing. Would just rave on regardless.

  76. Looks like you will have to get the copier going.

    Sue, feel a little for them. The year has not ended as they hoped. Must be getting hard to keep one’s chin up.

  77. ‘Yep, we’ll have to start at zero again.’

    A clean sheet, a fresh canvas, maybe you could also adopt a bipartisan approach in your posts….. to attract more diversity of opinion.

  78. Why should one be bipartisan on a left-wing site?

    We let the trolls on, surely that is enough diversion.

    Why a clean slate. I like things the way they are now.

    When you can direct us to a right-wing site, that follows your desired rules and ideas, one may give a look.

    Of course I have set you an impossible task. Right-wing sites do not allow comments from those of the left. It just does not happen.

  79. Its a nice left wing chat room, but the editor might fancy his luck at becoming the the most popular political blog in the southern hemisphere. Just sayin’…..

  80. el gordo, that is what the MSM is supposed to be.

    Why should Migs set up a site, for something he does not believe in. That would be a little false, do not you think. As I said, you could always take up your own challenge.

    You and your mates believe we are all a little misguided anyway.

  81. Let’s talk about the future and the structure of the new media. In the US blogs have greater political significance than in Australia, this is the 5th Estate in its formative years.

    We are not Americans and have developed a blog culture of our own, continually evolving. As the msm is taken over by Gina and the Murdocracy there is little doubt that CW will become a voice crying in the wilderness.

    Because the message they will trumpet will be progressive.

    Wandering up and down the blog roll here and at Trash, a casual observer might get the impression they have stumbled into a bunch of chat rooms.

    Oh wait….

  82. maybe you could also adopt a bipartisan approach in your posts

    Kindly go to hell. If you want moronic right wing content, that’s what the Old Media is (apparently) for. Tell THEM to be bi-partisan.

  83. Its a nice left wing chat room, but the editor might fancy his luck at becoming the the most popular political blog in the southern hemisphere. Just sayin’…..

    Your only purpose in coming here is to bring right wing lies to dilute the facts coming out of what is an openly left-wing blog.

    Miglo is correct with the Cafe’s left-wing agenda. The Old Media have locked us out. Therefore the way to popularity is to reflect the political aspirations of the literally millions of Progressives the OM ignore.

    It would be senseless to go “bi-partisan”, which would effectively put the Cafe at least partly onto ground that’s already overcrowded by the MSM.

    I don’t trust your motives in suggesting ‘Go bi-partisan’. You’re not one of us, and you have a contrary agenda. Go jump in the lake.

  84. “Because the message they will trumpet will be progressive.”

    You’re a joke with the constant barrage of inane comments you have been putting out, and that is one of a string of your recent most idiotic ones.

    I don’t know if you are smoking something or in a fugue for some reason but I’m with Cuppa and Cu. If you don’t like this site or how it’s structured and run then go setup your own blog as it’s rude to be a guest in someone’s blog and then suggest how they should conduct it.

  85. Happy New Year to all, ( well nearly all), last drinks trolls, as that clock ticks over at 12 the fireworks start and they ain’t gunna stop,….. like that old ALP statesman said “It’s Time ” gentlemen, puhlease. *clink*

  86. What was his name again and whats he got to do with Australia, again ??? 😕 ….. whiz, ffzz, bang, boom. oooh, ahh… CST version 😀
    …… the lights are flashing,….. ‘it’s time’…… again.

  87. I would put my money on the PM. Good odds I believe. So not wait long though. They will soon shorten.

  88. I know, I know i am up early, however we do have a puppy.

    good tidings to all.

    I have just been reading Vic Rollison’s piece about Bullshit Mountain (what a great bit of political satire that show was for the 2012 US election) and i thought as Australia won’t have any TV shows like that, may be at the Cafe we could have a year long thread of exposing Coalition Bullshit. And to be really leftie, Only Coalition Bullshit to be allowed to be posted on it, after all the Right have the Murdoch media, the ABC and Fairfax, plus their own right wing blogs.

  89. Good Morning my Latte sipping friends I hope that your hangovers are brief and that if they persist that you remember enough New Year Cheer to consider them well earned.

    OK down to business I have been speculating this morning about who will lead Labor in opposition after the next election after reading this interesting opinion piece in the Fairfax press and I wonder what you all think about it.

    Cue furious denial that the question has to even be considered…

    👿 😛 👿 😛 👿 😛 👿 😛 👿 😛

    Oh and thanks for taking the Bet Bilko 🙂
    I Look forward winning 😉

  90. El gordo,

    You have an irritating habit of telling me how I should run this blog. Well here’s a secret: I like it the way it is.

    We’ve doubled in size over the last 12 months and we should do the same in 2013.

    You say it’s a left-wing chat room. That’s fine with me. What’s more important is the message, not just the responses it gets on the blog.

    The stats tell me that out of every nine people who read the blog, only one will leave a comment.

    You might have noticed that most of our posts have a large number of Facebook ‘shares’. This shows that the posts are reaching a far wider audience than what is simply here on the blog.

    A number of our posts also receive more comments on Facebook than they do here. Many of them find their way to right-wing Facebook pages where they attract some lively debate.

    What we also find on the blogosphere is that left-wing sites are a bit quieter when Labor is in power, and much more active under a Coalition government.

  91. Migs
    The principle you enunciate here :

    What we also find on the blogosphere is that left-wing sites are a bit quieter when Labor is in power, and much more active under a Coalition government.

    Also applies to RW sites, its easier to complain about or attack than to endorse or defend a government. As much as I disagree with you on many things I think that this site does OK under your leadership.

  92. First entry for Bullshit Mountain

    Remember the Python Squeeze!

    Remember when Tony Abbott, wanting to continue the Fear campaign on the effects of the carbon price that just didn’t turn out the way he wanted.

    Well the Tony Abbott Python Squeeze, has just become the Python Poop that pooped all over Tony Abbott’s Lie .

    For memories sake/ the Bullshit monitor

    “In August, Mr Abbott admitted the introduction of the carbon tax had not immediately been “catastrophic”. However, he likened its impact to a “python squeeze rather than a cobra strike”.

    “But it is going to hurt from day one and as time goes by it’s just going to get worse and worse and worse,” he said previously”

    However here are the FACTS / Bullshit revealed
    “The Courier-Mail yesterday repeated Mr Swan’s shopping spree at his local Woolworths in Nundah to see what had changed six months on. The answer: not a lot.

    The treasury had predicted a “modest impact” on prices but yesterday’s bill was 30 cents cheaper than in July.

    While some items had increased a few cents, others were slightly cheaper. The price of Weet-Bix did not change.”
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/carbon-tax-price-impact-adds-up-to-nothing-much-according-to-wayne-swans-shopping-list/story-e6freoof-1226545896592

    Arrrhhh the smell of Bullshit in the morning

  93. el grubbo,

    Just offering a few gentle pointers, comrade.

    Don’t play innocent. You just want the Cafe’s strong left wing message to be diluted with right wing bullshit. There’s a whole “mainstream” media already saturating the country with RW lies. There’s no advantage to this blog in going over territory that is already overcrowded. You’re a wrecker, not a contributor.

  94. Cuppa, there are many that visit this site to wreck.

    Like their hero, they thankfully have little success.

  95. Cuppa
    Why are you SOOOOOOOOO frightened of any contrary opinion?
    The way that you go on anyone would think that you lefties are are likely to be irrevocably harmed by hearing heterodox thoughts from we conservatives.

  96. Hi CU,

    Are you still using Twitter ATM? If so, please check your “followers pending” list (or whatever it’s called!)

  97. ‘You just want the Cafe’s strong left wing message to be diluted with right wing bullshit.’

    A bipartisan approach would give the blog more credibility in the 5th estate, simply on the basis that there are two sides to every story.

    Otherwise its blatant propaganda.

  98. Cuppa, was that you. I think I might have declined.

    Hall, still as moronic as usual. Not afraid of contrary opinion. Just sick of those who are contrary for the sake of being contrary. Sick of hearing the same thing over and over,

  99. Mods, is there any chance of deleting this comment? https://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2012/12/30/thank-you-for-a-memorable-year/#comment-127816 Too many errors

    +++++++++++++++

    EDIT

    Iaian Hall,

    Why are you SOOOOOOOOO frightened of any contrary opinion?

    I’m not “frightened” of contrary opinions. Like most progressives, I have an aversion to lies. I guess you wouldn’t understand, given that you consider the most accomplished liar in the parliament, Abbott, an “angel”.

    The mainstream media denies progressives a voice. There’s no good reason for the Cafe to host right wing content, as to do so would duplicate territory that is already over-competed. We’re better going where the “mainstream” doesn’t go: progressive – full on.

    If you’re really got a problem with dissenting voices not being given a hearing, take up the case with the “mainstream” media. There’s a lot more of them, doing a lot of political censorship.

  100. el gordo, we play the role of pointing out that right-wing propaganda is pure lies and trash.

    Not here to bow before Tony, but to bury him.

    We do this by reporting everything that Abbott has said or did over the last few years.
    We do not make up lies, as the Opposxiton does about the Labor government or PM.

    No, the truth we used, comes from the mouth and actions of Mr. Abbott, himself.

  101. I must add, and to correct the many lies that abound in the MSM about this government.

    To ensure that the many achievements of the present government gets to the general public.

    It is a full time job, correcting the trash that visitors bring and attempt to pass off as fact.

    It gets a little tedious at times, as they just keep going around in circles.

  102. Cu, when I was the Sate manager of a finance company in a previous ‘life’ I found that we spent 80% of our time on 20% of our clients, usually those who were in default.

    Oh how similar it is with the blog.

  103. It’s simple logic.

    Imagine you’re looking for a place to live. You have a choice of three houses.

    Two of the houses are occupied. In fact, they’re so overcrowded they have people sleeping on the sofa and camped out in the garden.

    The third house, brand new, is equal in floor space to the other two combined. There’s no one living there.

    Where do you go?

    You go to the house on the left, of course.

  104. Migs, going on the comments we are getting from our visitors, you are succeeding very well.

    You should be proud of where you are at this time.

    From what you said over a year ago privately, you have reached heights that you dared not dream of at the time.

    I sense that Australians have had enough of being pessimistic, and have turned over a new leaf, to feeling positive about their lot.

    Yes, the world is far from perfect, but the penny is dropping, that we are and will travel better than most.

    The only thing we have to fear is the negativity and the talking down of the economy by the Opposition.

    Also is the realization that the country is not as the Opposition spruiks.

    The exaggerations that emerge from the mouth of Abbott and his cronies, are being seen as such. Nothing he has predicted has come to fruition.

    They do not have a plan “b”, and have no where to go. Reality will hit them at every move they make.

    Yes, Miglo, no need to change a thing.

    Must be near that next target of 750,000

  105. Cuppa

    I’m not “frightened” of contrary opinions.

    You are so terrified of contrary opinions that you can’t respond to them without insulting or denigrating your interlocutors. So that claim is a lie.

    Like most progressives, I have an aversion to lies.

    You endorse Gillard and you expect us to believe that you have an aversion to lies? Get real NO side of politics have the copyright on telling the truth in politics.

    I guess you wouldn’t understand, given that you consider the most accomplished liar in the parliament, Abbott, an “angel”.

    You misquote me, I said that COMPARED to Gillard Abbott is an angel which does allow Tony a great deal wriggle room


    The mainstream media denies progressives a voice.

    That is utter bollocks The ranks of journalists are mostly filled with “progressives” in this country The ABC is at the very least generally more sympathetic to the “progressive” side of politics

    There’s no good reason for the Cafe to host right wing content, as to do so would duplicate territory that is already over-competed.

    Well Its Migs’ blog and he does seem to do a good job of balancing his left wing ideals with allowing dissent for which I gladly give him the nod of approval but you seem to have a great deal of trouble accepting that

    We’re better going where the “mainstream” doesn’t go: progressive – full on.

    Are you interested in really deeply discussing the issues or do you just want to engage in a left wing mutual masturbation session?

    If you’re really got a problem with dissenting voices not being given a hearing, take up the case with the “mainstream” media. There’s a lot more of them, doing a lot of political censorship.

    As I have said many times I like the lively discussion here and think that Migs manages to strike a good balance. Frankly I tend to think that the occasional conservative piece here would provide some fruitful and lively discussion but then I have always championed the cause group blogging that cross over the political trenches to present views from more than one side.

  106. El gordo and,

    A bipartisan approach would give the blog more credibility in the 5th estate, simply on the basis that there are two sides to every story.

    Otherwise its blatant propaganda.

    Yes there are two sides to every story and people such as yourself come here to be able to freely express these. Hence the reason this blog is balanced as it provides a free and open forum for debate. This compares with the right wing media, for example an Andrew Bolt blog. Have you ever tried putting either a dissenting opinion or an off topic comment on his blog? It simply will not be published.

    Propaganda is opinion purporting to be fact. Propaganda is stories built upon erroneous information aka lies. Propaganda is not opinion based upon factual information and this is what the Cafe provides which again compares with right wing propaganda sheets, which are indeed propaganda sheets.

  107. “Frankly I tend to think that the occasional conservative piece here would provide s”

    It amazes me that one could think there was not plenty of such on this site. Most of it lies by the way, which we correct with facts, over and over and over.

    Hall you accused us of replying with abuse. Please reread what you have just written.

    You never get past the personal. That is our beef with you. Too busy telling one how they should think.

    Too busy analyzing us, not what we have written.

    Sorry, you are nothing but a bullshit artist, that warrants no respect. One has to give respect, before they can expect it back.

  108. Happy new year all.

    Can I suggest those that don’t like the way this blog is run either go and start their own – of if they already have one brush out the cobwebs and try and get some readers.

    There has been no Python Squeeze, Whyalla didn’t fall off the maps and Australia is one of the few countries in the world that isn’t (or shouldn’t be) having a discussion about where the money will be coming from to support the economic measures to avoid a recession/depression.

    Rather than argue about $1billion credit or $1billion debit balance at some point in time – how about we all get a grip on reality and realise we are really in a fortunate position “downunda”.

    Have a great 2013 folks.

    Oh – and Migs, hope your health continues to improve – take care. There is a name for the principle you attest to above and my experience in the finance industry would bear out your comment. It’s also applicable in the industry I moved into 15 odd years ago which as nothing to do with selling money for a living (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle).

  109. You misquote me, I said that COMPARED to Gillard Abbott is an angel

    Pay attention please, and stop shouting. I already addressed that qualification in this comment: https://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2012/12/30/thank-you-for-a-memorable-year/#comment-127627

    Go tell talkback radio and News Limited that you have a problem with dissenting voices not being encouraged. Ask THEM why there is no left wing counterpart to the gaggle of shock jocks. Ask them why there is no regular left wing counterpart to Bolt, Akerman, Shanahan, Kenny, Albrechtsen, Sheridan, Devine.

    Ask the ABC why they don’t appoint ex-leftwing political candidates as a counterpart to the ex-right wing political candidate, Chris Uhlmann.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Uhlmann

    Ask the ABC why they don’t appoint ex-Labor Ministers as a balance to their hiring of Amanda Vanstone.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/former-liberal-senator-to-guest-host-on-radio-national/story-e6frg996-1226433930722

    Don’t come here bleating about lack of “bi-partisanship”. At least you get a platform here for your right wing nonsense whenever you wish (and, boy, do you take advantage of Migs’ tolerance with your metre-long comments!). The say that you get here is way more than progressives get in the lamestream media.

  110. Hall, why do you continue to crawl up Migs arse.

    Do you think this creates a riff within the site.

    Why do not try reading and comprehending what he says.

    He likes the site the way it is.

    If we want to read what you have to say, we can always visit your site. Do not believe many do.

    I suspect you just like the sound of your own voice and argument.

  111. As I’ve said, the online movement against Abbott is growing in scope and momentum.

    Say No to Tony

    The Cafe is doing it’s small part no matter how much the hypocritical right wingers try to derail it through their constant bullshit.

  112. Mobius, that video should be compulsory viewing. Sums the matter up completely.

    Also, I believe it was at that interview in London, that Mr. Abbott threw a tantrum and refused to continue with the questions.

    The interviewer had to give an undertaking that the questioning along those lines would not continue, before he came back..

    It is a shame that the whole footage has not seen the light of day.

  113. Migs and all whisperers
    with respect to A E’s excellent blog, I think this comment re the polls:
    ” of Andrew Elder says it all-11/12/12 9:33 AM
    Don’t do poll-jockey commentary, I think it’s bullshit and that Gillard will beat Abbott at the next election”.

  114. I see Iain Troll is still being unintentionally hilarious. He bangs on about Gillard’s supposed “lies”, in regards to the price on carbon & the surplus, yet refuses to acknowledge the fact that the Howard Government lied more times that can be reliably be kept count of-the lie of “GST Never Ever”, the abandonment of the pledge to reduce foreign debt, the pledge to reduce spending on Government Advertising, the abandonment of the pledge to maintain ministerial codes of conduct, the abandonment of the pledge to break the duopoly on our wharves after the Patrick’s Waterfront dispute, the abandonment of the pledge to tax trusts as corporations in the wake of the GST. Indeed, the abandonment of *all* the other touted tax reforms that were meant to go with the GST. The lies about Iraq & its WMD’s, the lies about children overboard & asylum seekers being “terrorist sleepers”, the lies about the Medicare Safety Net, the lies about Industrial Relations, the lies about not letting their control of the senate go to their heads, the lies about AWB. Then you have Abbott’s lies about meeting with Pell & his lies to both the press & the AEC in regards to his slush fund to bring down Pauline Hanson-just as a starter. More recently you have all his lies about the Carbon Price & Mining Tax, & his lies regarding the reading of the BHP statement. He is also clearly lying about what he knew in regards to the Slipper allegations, & when he knew them . We also know how the former Liberal Government treated those that disagreed with them, or painted them in a negative light-threats to have Wilkie thrown in jail & the jailing of two journalists being the foremost examples of that. Of course, the Liberals will abuse legal process quite happily in order to get what they want, as shown by the Haneef saga, the Ute-gate scandal & now the Ashby-gate scandal. Yet Iain Troll thinks the moral vacuum that inhabits the Opposition Benches are worthy of government. What a funny, topsy-turvy world the Lunar Right must inhabit!

  115. Cuppa @ 11:56 am

    Pay attention please, and stop shouting. I already addressed that qualification in this comment:

    Go tell talkback radio and News Limited that you have a problem with dissenting voices not being encouraged.

    I agree with you that they are far from perfect, but if you are trying to be better than then then whay do you want to do the things that you despise them for?

    Ask THEM why there is no left wing counterpart to the gaggle of shock jocks.

    I am no fan of shock jocks per se Cuppa and I think that there being more left-wing examples would be no improvement on teh airwaves.

    Ask them why there is no regular left wing counterpart to Bolt, Akerman, Shanahan, Kenny, Albrechtsen, Sheridan, Devine.

    There are plenty of left wing voices in the media Cuppa, have you not read the Age lately? Have you not listened to Radio National?

    Ask the ABC why they don’t appoint ex-leftwing political candidates as a counterpart to the ex-right wing political candidate, Chris Uhlmann.

    Gee they had Kerry O’Brian as anchor for the 7,30 report for years, On the Insiders they have three lefties to one conservative each and every week, Philip Adams is of the left, heck he make no secret of his former membership of the communist party. Waled ali is a lefty as is Fran Kelly and Robin Williams

    Ask the ABC why they don’t appoint ex-Labor Ministers as a balance to their hiring of Amanda Vanstone.

    Heaven in a hand-basket they appointed Vanstone to host “counterpoint” which is the one show that they allow to be presented with a conservative viewpoint on RN and you are complaining about it????

    Don’t come here bleating about lack of “bi-partisanship”. At least you get a platform here for your right wing nonsense whenever you wish (and, boy, do you take advantage of Migs’ tolerance with your metre-long comments!). The say that you get here is way more than progressives get in the lamestream media.

    Its up to anyone who wants to get on the media to earn their place and as I ahve demonstrated there are plenty of “progressive” voices in the “Mainstream media”.
    Catching up @ 11:56 am

    Hall, why do you continue to crawl up Migs arse.

    I am doing no such thing Florence.

    Do you think this creates a riff within the site.

    Are you concerned about a schism in the group-think?

    Why do not try reading and comprehending what he says.

    He likes the site the way it is.

    Right back at you Florence what don’t you read what I say and believe me when I say that I like the site as it is

    If we want to read what you have to say, we can always visit your site. Do not believe many do.

    Sure you and all of the latte sippers have an open invitation to take me on at my home ground.

    I suspect you just like the sound of your own voice and argument.

    Not as much as you like the sound of your own voice Florence 😉

  116. Hall

    Sure you and all of the latte sippers have an open invitation to take me on at my home ground.

    I did Hall, you are just as bad over there if not worse, you fail to prove your points, do not back up your claims, you cannot even win an argument on your own website, when people do prove you wrong, you start putting there comments in moderation, what type of website is that, where people cannot have a debate.

  117. Hall, you are correct. I love pointing out your flaws, which are many.

    Shame you cannot see them yourself.

  118. Coming in late to the comments Migs…just wanted to say thank you for including me in your Cafe family… well done on an amazing year and lets hope your health improves with the onset of another election… nothing like it to get the blood pumping..I’m not a religious person but even I’m praying Abbott and co will be well beaten come the election and that there are a few more Greens in the federal mix. But then that is my bias, I”m sure there will be as many hoping I’m wrong LOL. Well done all its been entertaining and interesting I’m glad to be part of i t all.

  119. Marcus@2pm
    Talking about lies Le Smirk went to his political grave still maintaining the GST was NOT a federal tax rather a state one collected by the Commonwealth coupled to zle Rodent’s never ever GST and what about the tax on super it was only a Levy. Abbort sat on the treasury benches with these and other levies not taxes implemented, talk about hypocrisy thy name is the Liberal Party of Australia. With a history like that you know they are lying why because their lips are moving. Menzies must be spinning like a top in his coffin.

  120. Iian Hall you are possibly the worst judge of political commentary I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. You are beyond doubt taking the piss as nobody could in any dimension of reality, post such monumentally fact deficient, inane ranting opinion. How do you arrive at this shit? Your getting beyond ridiculous almost making Treeman look like he has learned to walk upright. I’m convinced that your attempt at a best six (the Cafe’s best self stumping) that included, “because he is not Julia Gillard” is a credible delusional response in your bullshit laden sandpit.

    Prediction: Blah Blah…Opinion…Vacuous inane comment.

  121. All the very best for 2013 to CW people on this site. A very big thank you for all your good work. As I said on The Political Sword -” an oasis in a desert of dross”.
    To dear Hall and troll “friends” Thanks. You’re very entertaining. Would someone with the computer expertise please post the link to The Seekers song, “We’ll build a world of our Own” ? Dedicated to Hall et al.
    I think the lyrics are very apt.

  122. Ian Hall
    tax
    /taks/
    Noun
    A compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers’ income and business profits or added to the cost of…

    the carbon price only levied (good word that) on pollution generators DOES not come near to the description of a tax unless you are using a undiscovered noalition dictionary.

  123. In the animated banner there is a stone wall with a message for el gordo on it.

    In case anyone couldn’t read it, that message is “Don’t be a dick.”

  124. To all my progressive friends and allies, I wish you all a happy, healthy and prosperous year, and to the rest of you, you can all … use your imagination (as you always do).

  125. Bilko they must have their own dictionary. Well they have meanings for words like levee or taxes, promises and liar that one cannot find in regular dictionaries.

    Things like minority governments, separation of powers. Innocence until proven guilty as well as allegations, rumour and innuendo also have different meanings that most of us give to the words.

    They appear to believe that judgements handed down by the courts, also carry no weight.

    I will not even go as far as the history books they follow, and their versions of democracy and economics.

    Why the media are accused of bias, if they make the mistake of asking questions. that is picking on poor Tony..

    Yes, it is indeed a different parallel universe they reside in.

  126. Thanks very much Ricky.We’ll leave them “in their world of their own” while we get on with progressing to a better world. I love this blog !!

  127. Hey whisperers, with the new year comes a few changes, and after a bit of encouragement from Migs, I decided to set up my own blog, to archive my poetry, both political and fantasy, as well as some short stories, bits and pieces from my novel and some of my music, when I can figure out how to do it. 🙄

    I have posted a few bits, and there will be many more over the next few days, so I hope to see some of you there and maybe get some feedback. 😎 😀

    Anyway, for any that may be interested, the link is;

    http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/

    Happy new year again and cheers 🙂 😀 😆

  128. Oh and to show you how feeble the climate deniers defence of this erroneous view is their hero and oft quoted by them Monkton endorsed and backed the formation of the Rise Up Australia Party, having become chummy with their crazy leader from the Catch The Fire ministry.

    Yeah real credible that lot and the deniers.

  129. Indeed, Ricky. The Loonies have many tricks and do seem to be winning (sometimes). I sometimes get very depressed about the situation BUT, I have faith that the 5th estate can make them accountable for their lies. Thankfully, we now live in a world where we can check every thing.
    People like you, Ricky and all the whisperers here have a huge role to play.
    Abbort will NEVER be Prime Minister. I still have faith that the Australian public are not stupid !
    If I’m wrong…………it might be about time to leave………..

  130. Greetings Mark. Nice to see you here.

    In keeping with the songs of The Seekers I can only hope that ‘Someday Oneday’ the right-wingers will come to their senses.

  131. Truth Seeker, I have put up a link to your blog in our Blogroll. All the best with your site. I hope it gets some traffic from the whisperers – we all know you write great stuff.

  132. Truth Seeker,

    (Oh, how your nickname must rankle with the truth-averse RWFs 🙂 )

    I’ll certainly be checking out your blog. I very much enjoyed The Boil – right on target wrt the toxic nexus of the media/LNP. And the one about the loser who devotes his life to helping the LNP, only to have them shun him when he needs their help… If only the morons in the electorate who vote conservative against their interests would wake up to what fools they’re being taken for! Your poetry could be a loud wake-up call. Good luck!

  133. Migs, thanks for that and all your support. 😀

    You have done a great job with CW, and I think 2013 is going to be a great one for you, Min and all the whisperers. 😎

    Cuppa, Thanks for your kind words and support, it means a great deal. 😀

    Cheers 🙂 😀

  134. Thanks Migs. “Someday One day” is a great song too. Keep up the good work and I will be back often.
    Hair of the dog to combat the effects of last night has taken over so it’s time for the land of nod and to wake up refreshed for another day as an aged care worker.

  135. I know its late but Happy New Year to all of my friends at the Cafe. My resolution is to once again become more active in commenting and contributing to the Cafe as my life continues to return to some semblence of normality. May 2013 reward you all with happiness, health and success in whatever you desire. May 2013 see the Cafe continue to grow. Thanks Migs , Min and Co for a fantastic job.

  136. Thanks Mark/Shane.

    Shane, it’s great to hear that your life is returning to ‘normality’. You’ve been through some tough times. May 2013 reward you with better health.

  137. In April Michelle Grattan said Gillard’s credibility was gone. No, Grattan, it’s YOUR credibility that’s gone. Grattan should fall on HER sword.

  138. Iaian Hall,

    On the Insiders they have three lefties to one conservative each and every week

    I don’t watch the program but that statement smells strongly of bullshit. Got some proof, or are you just making it up as you go along, in fine Liberal style?

    Heaven in a hand-basket they appointed Vanstone to host “counterpoint” which is the one show that they allow to be presented with a conservative viewpoint on RN and you are complaining about it????

    This is bullshit. The “conservative” view is heard around the clock on their ABC. Via the phrase that’s now notorious for its ridiculous overusage in recent years: “The Federal Opposition says….” Via the IPA pests that infest panel and opinion shows, getting way more airtime than think tanks of non-conservative leaning. Via all sorts of obscure wingnuts from around the planet they manage to find to give airtime to, to promote books, lectures, etc. Via political discussions (AM, etc) which inevitably have one or more Coalition spinners.

    And if you’re OK with Toolman and Vanstone (ex practicing or failed politicians) getting gigs on the ABC, how would you feel about ex Labor/Green politicians getting the same sort of privilege? How about someone from Labor or the Greens to balance out the odious Reith whose ugly face and voice seems to be a permanent feature at their ABC these days?

    In years to come (not right now, cos they’re busy) Anthony Albanese should perhaps be given his own show. Or Penny Wong, Peter Garrett, for example. Imagine the wingnuts going off their tiny heads if that were to happen! They’d claim “bias”, the morons.

  139. On the Insiders they have three lefties to one conservative each and every week

    Did Iain really say that. Oh my he really is ideologically psychoneurotic isn’t he.

    For a start there are only three panellists so unless there’s a Left Wing ghost on the show then there can’t be three lefties and one conservative. The host leans Right, hates Gillard and often soft talks or excuses Abbott though he is supposed to play non-partisan.

    The show more often than not has two Right leaning, often one radical Right nutjob, and one non-partisan commentator. Rarely do they have a Left commentator. Though lately they have had two relatively non-partisans and one Right winger.

  140. Cuppa @ 8:47 am

    Iain Hall,

    On the Insiders they have three lefties to one conservative each and every week

    I don’t watch the program but that statement smells strongly of bullshit. Got some proof, or are you just making it up as you go along, in fine Liberal style?

    Well I do watch the program and the composition of the panel is entirely obvious, the Host Barry Cassidy is a lefty and it is usual for two of the three Journos to be lefties with one token conservative. Check out their website

    Heaven in a hand-basket they appointed Vanstone to host “counterpoint” which is the one show that they allow to be presented with a conservative viewpoint on RN and you are complaining about it????

    This is bullshit. The “conservative” view is heard around the clock on their ABC. Via the phrase that’s now notorious for its ridiculous overusage in recent years: “The Federal Opposition says….” Via the IPA pests that infest panel and opinion shows, getting way more airtime than think tanks of non-conservative leaning. Via all sorts of obscure wingnuts from around the planet they manage to find to give airtime to, to promote books, lectures, etc. Via political discussions (AM, etc) which inevitably have one or more Coalition spinners.

    You don’t actually listen to Radio national do you Cuppa? I can tell that purely from your deranged hyperbole If you did listen to it you would not be making these sorts of silly claims about its content.

    And if you’re OK with Toolman and Vanstone (ex practising or failed politicians) getting gigs on the ABC, how would you feel about ex Labor/Green politicians getting the same sort of privilege? How about someone from Labor or the Greens to balance out the odious Reith whose ugly face and voice seems to be a permanent feature at their ABC these days?

    I have absolutely no problem with “ex Labor/Green politicians getting the same sort of privilege” as long as they are articulate and entertaining on air have you ever heard the lefty green nonsense sprouted by Phillip Adams of Robin Williams?Well they have had a Gig at the ABC for about 40 years each. So don;t suggest that there are no leftist voices at Auntie.

    In years to come (not right now, cos they’re busy) Anthony Albanese should perhaps be given his own show. Or Penny Wong, Peter Garrett, for example. Imagine the wingnuts going off their tiny heads if that were to happen! They’d claim “bias”, the morons.

    Radio needs more than an experience in politics it needs the right sort of voice and attitude I personally find Albanese’s voice annoying in its tone and delivery, Penny Wong may be OK because she has a rather mellow tone and delivery Garrett, hmm maybe but he does not spark well as an territory.A good example of a lefty on the radio is Richard Fiedler who does a one hour conversations show on ABC local radio he has a generosity of spirit that allows him to interview anyone without attacking them. Frankly he is the sort of lefty that I have no objection to but you seem to want to have the ABC full of ideological warriors of the left rather than broadcasters and presenters who make entertaining radio and TV.

  141. This is bullshit. The “conservative” view is heard around the clock on their ABC. Via the phrase that’s now notorious for its ridiculous overusage in recent years: “The Federal Opposition says….” Via the IPA pests that infest panel and opinion shows, getting way more airtime than think tanks of non-conservative leaning. Via all sorts of obscure wingnuts from around the planet they manage to find to give airtime to, to promote books, lectures, etc. Via political discussions (AM, etc) which inevitably have one or more Coalition spinners.

    You don’t actually listen to Radio national do you Cuppa?

    Obviously I do at times listen, and have done so in the past. That’s how I was able to list many examples of conservatives given space to push the conservative “view”.

    I notice you didn’t refute my examples either, just went the ad hom:

    I can tell that purely from your deranged hyperbole If you did listen to it you would not be making these sorts of silly claims about its content.

    No substance, just abuse.

  142. Cuppa

    You don’t actually listen to Radio national do you Cuppa?

    Obviously I do at times listen, and have done so in the past. That’s how I was able to list many examples of conservatives given space to push the conservative “view”.

    So when did you last listen to Radio National? And for how long did you listen for? Personally I listen to the ABC radio most of the day and well into the night (I don’t sleep well) everyday.

    I notice you didn’t refute my examples either, just went the ad hom:

    I can tell that purely from your deranged hyperbole If you did listen to it you would not be making these sorts of silly claims about its content.

    Which is very mild indeed compared to the ad homs you constantly deliver to me. Your examples are not based upon reality or personal observation are they Cuppa?
    They are based upon your imaginings about the ABC media content instead and they are far from accurate so I will not respond to them individually rather I will suggest that you do some real research like actually listening to RN for an extended period.

    No substance, just abuse.

    From someone who is talking about the content of a media service that they rarely listen too that has to be a joke right?

  143. Lol, Hall, you listen all day but are unaware of the examples I cited??

    Must listen with your ears closed.

  144. I do nothing else but listen to Radio National or ABC Local. My car radio memory is setup in sequence to each ABC station in turn when I go on long journeys. We have ABC National in the background at home as we don’t watch much TV.

    If anyone believes that ABC National in anyway leans Left then they are ideologically psychoneurotic. You need only listen to any political piece to immediately have “Abbott says” or “the opposition says” or “such and such Coalition member says” etc. They are rarely if ever pulled up for the blatant untruths and distortions they spruik whereas the government reps are grilled. Not only do the opposition and Right Wing advocates get an easier run, they get more airtime and have more regulars on air.

    There is one radio announcer who is openly left and that is Adams on LNL, but even he has a fair preponderance of Right Wing commentators and pieces on his show. Also like many dyed in the wool Lefties he openly criticises the government and Labor, sometimes in the harshest terms. Something you never see or hear the Right Wing commentators do, in fact they go the opposite way and exaggerate the worth of the Liberals whilst making excuses for and covering up their failures.

  145. Cuppa @ 11:08 am

    Lol, Hall, you listen all day but are unaware of the examples I cited??

    Must listen with your ears closed.

    Your examples were all rather vague and general and for the record what I said was that I was not going to answer them individually, not that I was “unaware” of them.

    That said I find it quite significant that you do not tell us when you last listened to RN, which must mean that it has not been for a very long time eh?
    Möbius Ecko @ 11:24 am

    I do nothing else but listen to Radio National or ABC Local. My car radio memory is setup in sequence to each ABC station in turn when I go on long journeys. We have ABC National in the background at home as we don’t watch much TV.

    Well that sounds like a familiar pattern ME 😉

    If anyone believes that ABC National in anyway leans Left then they are ideologically psychoneurotic. You need only listen to any political piece to immediately have “Abbott says” or “the opposition says” or “such and such Coalition member says” etc. They are rarely if ever pulled up for the blatant untruths and distortions they spruik whereas the government reps are grilled. Not only do the opposition and Right Wing advocates get an easier run, they get more airtime and have more regulars on air.

    Well it boils down to a matter of perspective doesn’t it? You are what I would call a Green/Leftie so of course you think that the ABC is too far to the right and too sympathetic to the opposition. I don’t see it that way at all,

    There is one radio announcer who is openly left and that is Adams on LNL, but even he has a fair preponderance of Right Wing commentators and pieces on his show. Also like many dyed in the wool Lefties he openly criticises the government and Labor, sometimes in the harshest terms. Something you never see or hear the Right Wing commentators do, in fact they go the opposite way and exaggerate the worth of the Liberals whilst making excuses for and covering up their failures.

    Sorry but I don’t think that Adams is the only Lefty at the ABC, although I will concede that most of them are more soft centre left than Adams but they are still more left than conservative.

  146. If the ABC had a left bias as Hall suggests I would listen all the time. Only diehard wingnuts who can’t let go of old, discredited myths claim the ABC is leftist. Not to be taken seriously.

  147. Cuppa
    I notice you still won’t anser the question of when you last actually listened to the ABC Radio, heck that can’t be that hard unless it was so long ago that you can’t remember.
    As much as I disagree with his opinion of the ABC at least Möbius Ecko listens to it and has something more than vague far left gripes about it gleaned from second-hand sources as you obviously do.

  148. Poor old Hall is seeking distractions as usual. Unable to prove his laughable claim that the ABC is left-biased, he’s shifting goal posts with every comment. Wingnuts have nowhere to go when called on absurd propositions.

  149. Cuppa
    It is truly sad that you can’t say when you last listened to the ABC radio despite claiming to know about its content.
    The only reasonable conclusion that any one can draw is that you have been lying all along and that you have never listened to the ABC AT ALL

  150. The only reasonable conclusion that any one can draw is that you have been lying all along and that you have never listened to the ABC AT ALL

    Iain, that was sooo childish.

  151. Poor old Hall is thrashing about, making ridiculous claims one after the other. 😄

    Next he’ll be telling us the moon’s made of cheese.

  152. Iian again what you know about media commentary could be written on a postage stamp with a broomstick dipped in your own shit. Have you read any of Barrys books? Don’t you get it? Ok one more time for the dummies. Screen left. Middle screen right. Form perspective do not pass go. The more comments I read from you the lower my opinion of your factless opinion which started knee high to a grass hopper.

  153. Oh you mean Barry Cassidy do you Ricky?
    the same Barry Cassidy who was Bob Hawke’s press secretary?

    In 1986, Cassidy was approached by the then Prime Minister, Bob Hawke, to become his personal press secretary. He remained in the job—which he has described as “the most rewarding and interesting period of my life”—until Paul Keating took over the leadership in 1991 following a challenge.[1]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrie_Cassidy

    Yep I’m sure that the Silver Bodgie would have wanted to hire a conservative for that position. In fact the citation I offer backs up my contention that Cassidy is to the left of centre.

    As I suggested to Mobius earlier the way that one views the bias on the ABC is very dependant upon where you yourself stand on the political spectrum. So naturally if you are of the hard left then you will think the ABC to far to the right and if you are from the right you will think it to much of the left.

  154. ABC bias has nothing at all to do with where you stand on the spectrum. It’s the biggest furphy put out by the Right in an effort to say the ABC really is biased towards the Left but the Left can’t see it.

    Howard had three enquiries into ABC bias, two stacked and one utterly stacked. It was initiated by Alston on an apparent independent letter from someone of influence complaining about the ABC’s bias. That someone influential turned out to be a friend of Alston’s.

    By the way initially Alston stated he had received complaints, plural, and he emphasised the plural several times until finally he was asked to state how many. The number came back as one.

    So Howard runs his stacked enquiry that not only looks at content, time given to speakers, the framework of questions asked, the aggressiveness or otherwise of the interviewers and right down to the tone and inflections used by ABC presenters.

    And damned if Howard didn’t find bias, a very slight bias towards his government.

    The other two enquiries also came up with no ABC bias but that didn’t stop Howard stacking the board and appointing his best Right Wing friends to the senior management. He also appointed a very expensive oversight to make sure the ABC favoured the conservatives under the guise of being balanced. I don’t know if the oversight is still in place but the balance towards the Right still is.

    If an enquiry on exactly the same terms that Howard setup and using the same head were held now there would be no doubt it would show a strong bias to the Right, so don’t give me crap about perspective. I know Right wing favouritism when I hear it and I’m hearing it nearly everyday.

  155. Barry Cassidy who was Bob Hawke’s press secretary

    If that’s your criteria, what does that say about one of your ultimate heroes then Mr Hall?

    Andrew Bolt worked for the Hawke Government on two election campaigns…

  156. Yeah he was Hawkeys press secretary so what? Posting a paste of his wiki is not a point unless you qualify it with an example. Was he right wing when working for Packer? Spectrum? Iian what nonsense. So you judge everything you consume based upon your bias? You must have done very poorly and learned Fuck all at Uni.Obviously critical thinking eludes you. No wonder your factually challenged, opinion rules your life as you have lost the will to learn in favor of being a fact challanged know it all. I can see it all. The space ship arrives and they make contact with Iian to provide the wisdom of the ages and Hall says bloody late leftist progress, I know all about this and they thow him a razor and hover off shaking their heads.

  157. There’s an old list around the web somewhere that debunks the ABC have Lefty presenters and journos. It details all the ABC personalities that came from a Labor background or worked for Labor or Labor pollies in some capacity.

    It then details all those who worked for the Liberals or had links to the Liberals in some capacity, and damned if the two lists are almost equal. From memory there was one more from a Right background than those from the Left.

    Then Howard stacked the board and appointed his own to senior management and that tipped the balance well and truly in the Right’s favour. For stuff sake Howard even appointed two board members who were openly hostile towards the ABC and wanted it sold off to a Right wing media entity.

    Don’t give me this shit about Aunty being a Lefty, it’s bullshit and has been for a very long time. And it’s always the Right that level the claim and run campaigns against the ABC calling for it to be shut down. Look up the very nasty Concetta Fierravanti-Wells and her very long ongoing pogrom against the ABC to see what I mean. She has been caught out many times making up stories and facts as a false justification to shut down the ABC.

    And what is it with the senior Liberal women that they are so nasty. That they are outright liars and deceivers goes without saying, they are members of the Liberal Party after all.

  158. Poor old Hall’s rubbish is being folded up, stuffed in a (large) envelope, and marked, “Return to Sender”. Very entertaining. Keep the right-wing monsense coming, Hall.

  159. Möbius Ecko @ 8:48 pm

    ABC bias has nothing at all to do with where you stand on the spectrum. It’s the biggest furphy put out by the Right in an effort to say the ABC really is biased towards the Left but the Left can’t see it.

    Well how can you measure “bias” with anything other than your own subjective judgement?

    Howard had three enquiries into ABC bias, two stacked and one utterly stacked. It was initiated by Alston on an apparent independent letter from someone of influence complaining about the ABC’s bias. That someone influential turned out to be a friend of Alston’s.

    As I say how do you define bias and how do you quantify something that is so subjective?

    If an enquiry on exactly the same terms that Howard setup and using the same head were held now there would be no doubt it would show a strong bias to the Right, so don’t give me crap about perspective. I know Right wing favouritism when I hear it and I’m hearing it nearly everyday.

    Really? that is a bold claim to make and one based entirely upon what precisely?

    Bacchus @ 9:23 pm

    “Andrew Bolt worked for the Hawke Government on two election campaigns…“

    Yep that shows that some people change, but not always and hardly at all in Cassidy’s case.


    Ricky @ 9:25 pm

    Yeah he was Hawkeys press secretary so what? Posting a paste of his wiki is not a point unless you qualify it with an example. Was he right wing when working for Packer? Spectrum? Iain what nonsense. So you judge everything you consume based upon your bias?

    Ricky we ALL judge everything in the media based upon our own personal bias filter, to deny that (as I expect that you will) is to deny our natures as autonomous individuals.

    You must have done very poorly and learned Fuck all at Uni.Obviously critical thinking eludes you.

    No Ricky that is projection from your own experience, I learned a great deal at Uni and had a great time to boot.

    No wonder your factually challenged, opinion rules your life as you have lost the will to learn in favour of being a fact challenged know it all.

    That Ad hom has no relationship to the topic at hand now does it?

    I can see it all. The space ship arrives and they make contact with Iian to provide the wisdom of the ages and Hall says bloody late leftist progress, I know all about this and they thow him a razor and hover off shaking their heads.

    Sounds like you have a problem with real men being able to grow a beard Ricky.

    Möbius Ecko @ 9:38 pm

    There’s an old list around the web somewhere that debunks the ABC have Lefty presenters and journos. It details all the ABC personalities that came from a Labor background or worked for Labor or Labor pollies in some capacity.

    It then details all those who worked for the Liberals or had links to the Liberals in some capacity, and damned if the two lists are almost equal. From memory there was one more from a Right background than those from the Left.

    I’d love to see the list sometime if you can find it.

    Then Howard stacked the board and appointed his own to senior management and that tipped the balance well and truly in the Right’s favour. For stuff sake Howard even appointed two board members who were openly hostile towards the ABC and wanted it sold off to a Right wing media entity.

    That is paranoid nonsense.

    Don’t give me this shit about Aunty being a Lefty, it’s bullshit and has been for a very long time. And it’s always the Right that level the claim and run campaigns against the ABC calling for it to be shut down. Look up the very nasty Concetta Fierravanti-Wells and her very long ongoing pogrom against the ABC to see what I mean. She has been caught out many times making up stories and facts as a false justification to shut down the ABC.

    Well this conservative has been and remains a life time supporter of the ABC.Even though I perceive it to have a left leaning bias . I don’t mind that bias at all, it is after all just doing what all media outlets do and that is to play to its consumer demographic.

    And what is it with the senior Liberal women that they are so nasty. That they are outright liars and deceivers goes without saying, they are members of the Liberal Party after all.

    Your prejudice is showing Mobius and it ain’t pretty.

    Cuppa @ 9:46 pm

    Poor old Hall’s rubbish is being folded up, stuffed in a (large) envelope, and marked, “Return to Sender”. Very entertaining. Keep the right-wing monsense coming, Hall.

    What has been very clearly shown is the emptiness of your claim to be any kind of ABC radio listener. Clearly you aren’t and yet you make all kinds of claims about Auntie being “their ABC” when you have no experiance or data to back up that claim.
    Ricky @ 10:12 pm

    Yeah that list would be the drum mobius…. Iian is consistently full of shit. The more he posts the further he condoms his complete lack of understanding of the media.
    Ricky ( 10:18 pm

    That was a instance when faultly predicive text was quite funny.

    Those smart phones only make you look dumber eh Ricky?

  160. ‘Even though I perceive it to have a left leaning bias . I don’t mind that bias at all…’

    I do and I’m left wing.

  161. El Gordo
    Its like this I know that the ABC has its bias, just as I know that Fairfax and News Ltd have their bias as well and because I don’t believe an impartial media of any sort is really possible I can make the appropriate “adjustments” to the way that I view a news item depending on its source. Even so I enjoy the ABC radio programming, especially that on Radio National because it contains so much food for thought even if I sometimes think that it has too much political “garlic” in it.

  162. Iain Hall
    JANUARY 3, 2013 @ 6:41 AM
    As I say how do you define bias and how do you quantify something that is so subjective?

    With an open mind rather than seeking approval for your own flawed idea’s and bias.

    Really? that is a bold claim to make and one based entirely upon what precisely?.

    You may notice that Migs is a man of considerable integrity that has labelled this fine forum “proudly Left wing” which is what anyone with a social conscience is labelled by the right. Like food, maybe Media should come with compulsory labelling.

    Yep that shows that some people change, but not always and hardly at all in Cassidy’s case.

    See this is what I love about your inane opinion Iian, you are very poorly researched, Maybe read some of Cassidy’s fine work before typing your fact deficient diatribe, he is an infinity better example of a real journalist than “right wing rockstar” Bill Oriely wannabe Bolt.

    Ricky we ALL judge everything in the media based upon our own personal bias filter, to deny that (as I expect that you will) is to deny our natures as autonomous individuals.

    Bias Filter? I suspect that you mean preconception of acquired learning. Lateral and critical thinking is steeped in the discipline to suspend such laziness to acquire empathetic imperatives critical to formulate truth. Then and only then can one truly learn to balance views. I suggest you read Benay’s Propaganda.

    No Ricky that is projection from your own experience, I learned a great deal at Uni and had a great time to boot.

    As I tell students, University may give you information, however that is not knowledge. If you learn one thing from university make it critical thinking rooted in empathy. That is the key to learning that may lead to the discipline required to attain wisdom.

    Your baseless claims, factless ranting and oppositional position of no quarter indicates to me
    • You have no functional understanding of the media
    • Are poorly researched, preferring a fact deficient “know it all” opinion of how you think things work rather than research and reflect
    • You are totally taking the piss.

    That Ad hom has no relationship to the topic at hand now does it? .

    It has absolute bearing on your lazy ingrained bias, poor research skills and inability to provide a factually supported argument. You are fundamentally, intellectually lazy as most opinionated people are.

    Sounds like you have a problem with real men being able to grow a beard Ricky.

    I don’t need a beard, I’m naturally good looking. 🙂
    Iian, if that’s what you got from that sentence in a futile attempt at sarcastic humour, you support my case unequivocally.

    I’d love to see the list sometime if you can find it. That is paranoid nonsense.

    Janet Albrechtsen, Ron Brunton and that discredited Loon Keith Windschuttle
    Not to mention the removal of the staff position from the board.

    Those smart phones only make you look dumber eh Ricky?.

    A smart phone would be lost on such a pitiful research pygmy as yourself Iian. They are a pipeline to truth. As my NYE host stated, this is my bullshit filter, it also also doubles as a Luddite moron baiter.

  163. Gordo no bipartisan middle ground any more. Everything is radicalised to the dramatic polar opposite to sell soap powder. Everything that detracts from the extremism of polar right means the steering wheel is welded right….

  164. Just found reference to a more recent list but haven’t found the list itself, just this reference:

    This more recent list shows 24 former ABC staff working for the Liberals/Nationals 19 former ABC staff working for Labor.

  165. Ex-ABC staffer takes on Brock for Liberals…
    Ex-ABC staffer takes on Brock for Liberals. October 29, 2012, 11:22 am · ABC. News. A former ABC rural reporter has won Liberal preselection…

  166. October 2010

    Here’s a partial list of people who have worked for both the ABC and the Coalition, and it doesn’t include Janet Albrechtsen, Jonathon Shier or Donald McDonald.

    Gary Hardgrave (former minister in the Howard government);
    Peter Collins (former Leader of the Liberal Party in NSW)
    Peter McArthur (Victorian state Liberal member)
    Bruce Webster (State NSW Liberal member)
    Jim Bonner(Malcom Fraser staffer and former Director of the Liberal Party in South Australia)
    Pru Goward (current Liberal MP)
    Cathy Job ( former media adviser to David Kemp)
    Vicki Thompson (former Chief of Staff for John Olsen, Liberal Premier of South Australia)
    Ian Cover (former state Vic Liberal member)
    Rob Messenger (current National Party member for Burnett in the Queensland parliament)
    Grant Woodhams (National Party member for Greenough in WA)
    Ken Cooke (former Qld State Director of the National Party for 13 years
    Chris Nicholls (staffer for Liberal Senator, Grant Chapman)
    Eoin Cameron (former Liberal member for the federal seat of Stirling)
    Cameron Thompson (member for Blair)

    The current State Director of the ABC in Queensland, Chris Wordsworth, is a former press officer for one time Liberal Defence Minister John Moore.
    In March 2009 Scott Emerson, a former ABC journalist won the Queensland seat of Indooroopilly for the Liberal National Party.

  167. Shit I could go on doing this for a long time but you get the message.

    Aunty is not FUCKING Left leaning or FUCKING biased against the Right, if anything as Howard found it FUCKING biased for the Right.

    Of course the wingnut will ignore the facts and enquiries held by his own side and continue to spew forth factless opinionated drivel, which is why I scroll.

  168. M E, I think that they believe by complaining of ABC bias against the right, it will balance out the valid claims of bias against the left, therefore maintaining the status quo.

    Their hope being that the regulators will look at the number of complaints on both sides and come to the conclusion that the ABC must be balanced, without looking at the facts, and sadly it seems to be working. 😦

    Cheers

  169. Shit I could go on doing this for a long time but you get the message.

    Aunty is not FUCKING Left leaning or FUCKING biased against the Right, if anything as Howard found it FUCKING biased for the Right.

    We just waste our breath on this mob sometimes, Mo.

  170. Ricky, the greatest thing I learnt from Uni, at forty was how much I already knew,

    It was exciting to be able to discover the reasons for many of my beliefs. That they were based on facts and commonsense.

    The same applied to what I did not believe in.Yes, there were reasons why I was left leaning. Very good reasons.

    What was the greatest discovery, yes I was right to feel as a female I was dudded in the education system, then later the workplace.

    It was then that I realized what feminism was about.

    The greatesat6 discovery I made, was even though I already knew more than I ever imagined, I really knew little of what there is to know. I knew that I would learn until the day I die.

    Throughout life, one learns and questions, sometimes rejecting and accepting the new.

    Nothing in life is stable or never changing. What was wrong yesterday, can be right today.

    That is what our visitors do not seem to understand. Everything for the, is set in stone.

    One can take Mr. Howard as an example. He was not like the first time he ran.

    Was beaten so badly and despised, one would have thought that was the end for him.

    The baggage he carrier was as one of the worst treasures the country has endured

    He came back again, winning handsomely, staying in power for 12 years, after faltering at his second election.

    .Was then sent off into the blue yonder, losing his seat as well as his government,

    One could say the same for Mr. Rudd, done wonders when first in office. Dealt with the GFC in a way that we are still benefitting from. Then the wheels came off for him. He was no longer the best person for the time.

    One can only judge people on what they did at the time. Throwing up their history is useless, unless it ties in what they are doing now, This is true for Mr. Abbott. He has not changed over time.

    Politics today seem to be all about perceptions. Perceptions can change over night. Can and do.

    One has to keep reassessing their beliefs and opinions.

    The other is, we have the tight to have differing views and opinions, We do, because we believe in different outcomes. There is really no right or wrong,

    What one expects from government differs as well.

    I have a feeling that most here, believe government is there to create an environment that gives a fair go for all.

    Others believe that the government should play no role in our lives, and that everyone should be able to look after themselves. In other words, the survival of the fittest and everyone else can go to hell.

    Our visitors would gain more respect, if they let us in on what school they come from.

    No, they continue to abuse and denigrate. They continue down the path, that only they have the answers. If one agrees with the outcomes they are seeking they are correct.

    If one believes Jack is as good as his master, that are wrong.

    Sadly in a democracy, all views are allowed.

    PS. Has one noticed the Share Market over the last few weeks is performing better than since 2009.

    What is disappointing, no matter what is done, the dollar will not come down.

    Visitors, I would love you all to get off your high horses, recognizing we are all entitled to out opinions and views, Spend the time and energy, educating us why we should change to your way of thinking,

    Teach us your grand designs for the future of Australia, what type of country you want to leave behind for your descendants.

    I say descendents, as a great grandmother, I have to extend my thinking. It is my children that are now in the driver’s seat.

  171. Miglo, maybe you could suggest to Hall, take his vendetta’s back to his own site

    We are not interested here.

  172. CU, Iain made a comment this morning on my blog, completely missing the point of the post.

    I think he hangs out at other blogs cos no-one much visits his. 😯

    Loneliness is a terrible thing, although in his case probably well deserved. 😦

    Cheers 😀

  173. Just a little hint that may help with traffic to your site TS. If you put a link to your website in the “Website” field (the bottom one) under “Leave a Comment”, your name will be a link to your site – like Migs, Min, Kevin Rennie, and Ricky…

    I’ve done that to my name in this post 😉

  174. Or you can even set the link up in your WordPress profile, to save you from having to keep typing it in whenever you post a comment.

  175. Miglo, maybe you could suggest to Hall, take his vendetta’s back to his own site

    We are not interested here.

    I hear the call, Cu. Iain, take note.

  176. Bacchus, thanks for the info, I will keep it in mind when my website is up and running. 😎

    At the moment it is still under construction. The book for my guitar teaching / learning system is pretty much finished, but I have a lot of recording to do (about another 40+ tracks) to get it ready for sale, and then I will finish the site and get it up and running.

    The blog was set up to let people know a little of what I am about, so that when the site is up they might check it out too.

    It has been very helpful though in getting more familiar with how sites work, as I am fairly new to the whole web thing.

    Cheers 🙂 😀

  177. Cu @12.14pm.. (as per the other thread), it would seem that one of Abbott’s “grand plans” is to ban access to the dole for all people aged under 30 years, Tony’s reasoning being that everyone can Go West and get a job on the mines.

    Has Tony even attempted to think this one through.. 🙄

    For starters, does this include women (very very few of whom are employed on mine sites..nor have the skills to do so)? Does this include people who are married and/or have children? And how much is Tony prepared for relocation expenses, or does he expect people on the dole to do a share house thing at Karratha for $3,000pw for a 3br house..that is, when one becomes available.

  178. Maybe Mr. Abbott can help people get jobs there. Have not heard of any that have been successful. Yes, even knowing of woman truck drivers that has tried.

    Anyway, are not all their trucks becoming driverless.

  179. As Hall maintains, against all the evidence, that the ABC is left-biased (lol) it’s likely he’s bullshitting when he says he listens to it all the time.

  180. Bacchus, 💡

    Sorry mate when you mentioned website, for some obscure reasonI thought of the website that I’m working on, not the blog that I have already set up. 😳

    Must be a slightly premature seniors moment. 😦

    Thanks for your help 😀

    Cheers 🙂 😀 😆

  181. Ironic that el grubbo criticises brainwashing. The moron who says ‘Global cooling’! Here day after day making a fool of themselves trying to brainwash people with propaganda that serves the interests of resource billionaires.

    You should listen to the ABC more often grubbo. Right up your wingnut alley it is one of the leading pushers of climate change denial propaganda in Australia.

  182. Migs
    I will happily cease responding to the personal attacks posted by Ricky and Paul on your comment threads as I much prefer addressing the issues in the posts here.
    It would be appreciated though if you could suggest that they should stop making such attacks in the first instance in the interest of procedural fairness.
    Cheers
    Iain

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