Beyond 2013

The 2013 election looms as one of the most important ever. It is not simply Labor versus Liberal, the working class versus the upper class or the progressives versus the conservatives. It is an election to determine whether Australia keeps up with the pace in the global village or cuts itself adrift to float aimlessly in the global seas.

I see this as the most important election because the world now moves at a pace never before seen. Social and economic changes can take us by storm overnight, whereas in our lazy past we could have a nap in the hammock and still wake up in an unchanged world. We also face the uncertainty that climate change can bring, the predictions of which are horrific.

Labor wants to keep up with, or at the best drive these changes to take us into the future. The Opposition is quite happy to keep resting blissfully in the hammock.

The Coalition, unsurprising, appeal to the aging demographic. In a recent article Polls Apart I looked at the cohort group of their supporters and wrote that:

If you look at the Primary Vote results for the latest Newspoll you’ll notice that support for the Coalition jumps dramatically with each increasing age group.  The healthiest support is in the 50+ age group.

This suggests rightly or wrongly that older Australians – in accordance with their preferred political party – have less interest in the uncertain future. They won’t be in it. Why bother with it?

The people who care about the future are the youth of today. Is it any wonder that they find the direction and policies of the Labor Party the most appealing? The correlation is obvious.

To confirm my suggestion that the Australian youth favour the policies of a party that addresses the social and economic changes of the future, this appeared yesterday:

Newspoll surveys indicate the coalition’s primary vote would slip by 1.5 percentage points if the ‘youth vote’ increased.

An analysis of Newspoll surveys indicate the coalition’s primary vote would slip by 1.5 percentage points if those eligible to vote but not enrolled – mainly young people – were enrolled, The Australian reports.

As many as a dozen Liberal and Nationals seats could come into play if Labor and the Australian Greens could mobilise the ‘youth vote’, the paper said.

The coalition holds 10 seats with a margin of less than two per cent. The most vulnerable are the Liberal-held Boothby in South Australia (0.3 per cent); Hasluck in Western Australia (0.6 per cent); and Aston in Victoria (0.7 per cent).

Brisbane (1.1 per cent) and Solomon in Darwin (1.8 per cent) have a high proportion of students and young workers, while Herbert in far north Queensland (2.1 per cent) and Swan in Perth (2.5 per cent) have very high proportion of young people of voting age.

The Greens would be the main beneficiary of direct enrolment, in effect from July, analysis by Professor Ian McAllister of the Australian National University found. Their first preference vote would rise by 0.6 of a point, while Labor’s vote would increase very marginally.

This finding has left he Opposition jittery. Take Christopher Pyne’s response:

Senior Coalition frontbencher Christopher Pyne has accused Labor of rorting the electoral system, following an analysis of new electoral laws that will see up to 1.5 million voters automatically enrolled to vote.

An analysis of Newspoll surveys published on Monday, suggests the Coalition’s primary vote would slip by 1.5 percentage points if those eligible to vote but not enrolled – mainly young people – were enrolled, The Australian reported.

New laws passed by federal parliament in June mean the Australian Electoral Commission can enrol voters or update their details using information from other government government agencies, such as tax records and vehicle registration.

As many as a dozen Liberal and Nationals seats could be threatened if Labor and the Australian Greens mobilised the ”youth vote”, according to the Newspoll analysis.

On Monday, Mr Pyne told Sky News this was ”the latest iteration” of Labor trying to get an advantage over the coalition.

If we let the youth of Australia do the talking, they’d tell us they want to be part of the future that embraces or leads change. They want better technology. They want a cleaner environment. They will vote for the party that delivers these . . . beyond 2013.

Where do you want Australia to be beyond 2013?

 

167 comments on “Beyond 2013

  1. I understand the ‘polls’ are done by ringing land lines…well I don’t have one….and a lot of people don’t…but you know who does have land lines…old biddies that grew up in the white australia policy era and who are liberal supporters no matter what…like my parents. Perhaps if the pollsters rang mobiles….do they???

  2. Di, from my link to Polls Apart:

    The polls themselves are conducted simply enough. Respondents are selected randomly and are phoned by the polling interviewer. Only landlines are phoned as it is illegal for a pollster to call a person’s mobile phone as many people have phone plans where they may be charged for taking a call.

    So who’s missing out on a call? The younger voters, that’s who.

    This supports exactly what you’re saying.

  3. Guess that I don’t fit the above demographic, but then I’ve never been polled either. Voted Liberal for many years, then rediscovered a social conscience that propelled me quite firmly left, where I intend to stay for the rest of my voting life.
    I would encourage all young people to vote as it is really an investment in their futures, so if it means that by using any form of social media to obtain the desired results then so be it. After all, we are in the 21st century for goodness sake.
    Christopher Pyne always complains about everything just like the rest of the opposition, so let him huff and puff all he wants, he’s just so full of wind one can’t take him seriously. Rorting the system when it comes to voting in 2013 is just a figment of his imagination!!!

  4. Sad to see that you have fallen for Labor spin on this issue Migs, the fact is that no one in politics wants to see eligible citizens prevented from exercising their franchise however what Labor is proposing, by the use of third-party information to automatically enroll voters is fraught with problems and has the potential to enable electoral fraud, to possibly enroll individuals more than once. In short its a loopy idea.
    Personally when My daughter turns eighteen one of the first things that I will be doing is making sure that she enrolls to vote. Now if the ALP want young people to get on the rolls ASAP why don’t they make sending the forms to them on their eighteenth birthday a priority? That would work far better and not have the problem of the electoral commission relying on other entities to add names to the rolls.

  5. Thanks for the compliment..cause I am sooo missing out cause I am sooo young!! PS.. My 17 yr old daughter can not wait to vote!!!!

  6. Miglo, thanks for this post. In the states we have seen law changes that make it harder for Labor to raise money. We have seen Mr. Howard’s efforts as well.

    I know that many of my kids and their friends have never enrolled. I feel that most of these will be found in the western suburbs of Sydney.

    I do not feel that many understand or even realize the massive changes that are occurring across the globe.

    Back when the wall fell and the communists States fell, it was described as the new world order.

    That was a false dawn as some seen at the time. It was pointed out to me, that was just the first step, of the new world order to come. That it would be only after the likes of the USA was cut down to size, the new world order would emerge.

    This is what is occurring now, A whole new ball game. One we are in the position to take full advantage of all it will offer.

    It will not be handed to us on a silver tray.. We will have to work smart and hard to succeed in the exciting future ahead.

    We are in the right place, with the resources, both natural and our people take full advantage.

    The PM is right, it will be a well educated and trained workforce, plus technology that will take us forward.

    The answers will not be found in the past, not even a decade of so ago, let alone half a century.

    Yes, the next election will be one of the most important that this country will face,

    It needs people who are builders and are looking to the future. It is not the time for cries of lower taxes, smaller government and other empty promises and slogans.

    The global society has arrived.

    When I was young, I thought I was so lucky, that I was bought up city and country at the same time.

    Now we have children, who are literally being raised in different countries. Moving freely from one to the other during their childhood. At the kids party I attended yesterday, was such a family. Some spoke with the Tennessee accent, siblings with an Australian. Citizens of both., I have a feeling this is not that rare. I have the other grandparents of my grandkids, that move between here and South America.

    Many of our children works overseas.

    Yes, the world has suddenly become very small.

    Sorry for rambling on. It is just thoughts that I have not yet fully worked out. What I do know, the change that is occurring, is rapid and I suspect catching many by surprise. New ways of looking at everything will need to occur.

  7. Iain, my 17 y/o daughter did get an invitation to enrol sent to her in the mail a few months ago…which she completed, and returned…
    so perhaps something is already in place in that regard…and we live in QLD…..haa!!

  8. Iain, this might surprise you. It is not only those that do not enroll. It is also those who move around, and manage to fall off the rolls, not bothering to get back on.

    This can be overcome by using other government departments to catch up with them.

    Will save a lot of door knocking as well. Would also remove those who have died quicker.

    Today, once again, we have Liberals demanding we should have ID when we vote. This in spite that all research has shown negligible cheating.

    Iain, please explain as the red headed lady used to say, where is the spin.

    .

  9. Hey Migs, another great post.

    It’s the height of hypocrisy for Pyne to be claiming the high moral ground when it was Howard that changed the rules so that the electoral rolls were closed so quickly after an election was called, as this blatantly disadvantaged the young and first time voters.

    With so many issues today that will impact on their future, I would hope that the young would take the opportunity to exercise their democratic right to have a say in the direction of their own futures, and the very fact that the LNP would seek to deny many that opportunity is expected, but nevertheless an absolute disgrace.

    But then the LNP is an absolute disgrace on many levels. 👿 👿

    Cheers

  10. Thanks Cu, TS.

    My immediate future is this: I have to be up at 5:30 to take my nephew to work. 😦

    Followed by a laze in the hammock. 🙂

  11. I got a letter to enrol back in the 70’s…… already had enrolled at the PMG Post Office 😉 ….. couldn’t wait….. many of my peers, even back then, were ho hum, ….young people.. go figure 🙄 … we have an compulsory voting system…. if your over 18 ya have to vote…… like it or lump it … it is what it is ……. when your born you get a birth certificate…. from that point on every Govt. dept. knows how old you are…. when you turn 18 you are required to vote, so whats the problem with an auto. sign up….. would save a lot of people from being fined…. why would anyone not want our 18+ to participate in their democratic right…….they ‘HAVE TO’ anyway its the LAW………… only requires an ad campaign…. 2…. 4…… 6…..8…… how do we ‘participate’….. by getting your name crossed off and ticking little boxes…. bloody challenging, I know…. can’t see the problem when ‘THEY’ know how old you are… it’s not a choice… it’s a RIGHT to choose, it is what it is…. its your vote,.. own it !!

  12. This is a great democratic initiative and one which will be difficult to repeal. It will also save money, so I’m perplexed as to why the Opposition doesn’t support it.

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    Dear Florence,

    As a 23 year old young woman, a lot of things are important to me. My friends, my family, my music, my afternoon jog. And my right to vote.

    I think we’d all agree that voting is important, and the more people aged 18 or over who participate in our great democracy, the better.

    But Christopher Pyne and the Liberal Party seem to disagree. They don’t want more young people on the electoral roll. In fact, they called it “rorting”.

    And this is after they changed the rules to have fewer young people vote in 2007.

    Well, I don’t consider my vote a rort. I consider it my democratic right and the right of all young people, no matter who they choose to vote for.

    If you think it’s important that more young people get the opportunity to vote too, go here and click share to let your friends know.

    Claire

    PS. You can also spread the word on Twitter. Click here and retweet to let the world know that voting is important to you.

    This email was sent by G. Wright, Australian Labor, 5/9 Sydney Avenue, Barton ACT to fehowarth@iprimus.com.au

  14. CU
    I am well aware of just who fails to vote and as I said I am all for encouraging EVERY eligible citizen to vote, but I have serious concerns about any “automatic” registration using third party data rather than requiring the citizen to make a tiny bit of effort to register or to keep their registration current

    Migs
    Doesn’t this smack of desperation form Labor to you? We have heard nothing of this idea until now and just when Labor’s fortunes are in the mud again (a three point drop in the polls) they come up with this grand scheme? Isn’t your inner libertarian concerned about the invasive data matching that the scheme will require? The potential for fraud?
    Really is there nothing that you would question about this latest mad idea from Labor?

  15. ” Sad to see that you have fallen for Labor spin on this issue Migs, the fact is that no one in politics wants to see eligible citizens prevented from exercising their franchise”

    Iain I sometimes wonder if you are just thick, unread, live in a cave, or taking the proverbial piss?

    It is not a matter of conjecture, a media beat up, gross confusion or Labor party spin, that John Winston Howard’s government did exactly what you are saying politicians don’t do. He closed off the polling registrations early before an election, for what other reason than to disenfranchise young voters from voting. Not opinion but FACT.

    In the U.S the courts are still in session sorting out the mess after George Bush 2’s election because of voters being dis-qualified from voting for dubious reasons e.g.. having a parking ticket etc, Blacks came in for the special conservative red neck treatment. Again not fallacy but FACT. In the conservative states of the U.S. they tried it on again this year for your poster child, the speaking in tongues Mit Romney. Don’t deny it.

    I suggest you read up on the women’s suffrage movement, the majority of the vote against women voting was always led by ? You guessed it, bloody conservatives.

    I remember my first job a letter in the pay packet. “It would be a risk to your employment to vote Labor” Don’t deny that went on either. It did and it was wide spread. Not so much disfranchisement just out and out fear mongering. Like then as now, no there change then.

    Yep conservatives would be happy as Larry if only the born to rule wallies that infect our society only, were allowed to vote.

    But I’m sure you’ll bang in another 10 paragraphs of absolute meaningless Schlock to justify the unjustifiable.

  16. For those bagging polling accuracy – careful analysis of any recent election
    shows pre-poll predictions very close to the final result.
    Guess 2013 will be the roller coaster for Ms Dullard and crew.
    AWU saga and others have bitten her on the – – – -.

  17. “We have heard nothing of this idea until now”

    The royal “we” is used. Doesn’t include me in that response, as I have read about it in papers, of all things and also in blogs. And in the case of NSW enrolment laws 2009, it just so sudden.

    “Over recent election cycles, electoral jurisdictions around Australia have realised that there are a significant number of eligible voters who are not included on the current Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) Register (or Roll) for NSW or not included at their current address.

    The SmartRoll project, established by the NSWEC in 2009, is intended to address this problem by delivering NSW a more up-to-date, accurate and comprehensive roll for upcoming elections than that supplied through current enrolment techniques.”
    http://www.elections.nsw.gov.au/enrol_to_vote/smartroll

  18. Iain, I have great pleasure in telling you that you’re wrong.

    I actually started this post a couple of days before the results of that survey was published. My original intention was to talk about the NBN. I changed tact when I saw the survey results, thinking they fitted in with what I wanted to talk about.

    You notice that I don’t call you a troll. It’s the norm these days for right-wing posters to be called a troll on left-wing sites, and vice-versa. I will, however, have no hesitation in suggesting you are a sniper. You shoot down anything that anybody says, but never follow it up with an alternative. The only thing we know about you is that you snipe at everything.

    I’m sure everybody here would be more than happy to hear what you actually have to say, instead of dodging bullets time after time after time. Give it a go.

    Perhaps you’re afraid that one of us might actually agree with you on something. At the moment, we don’t know what that ‘something’ is. YOU HAVEN’T TOLD US. You’ve been too busy reloading.

    Please feel free to offer some debate. Try offering words instead of bullets.

  19. Voyager, I hope you enjoy returning to live in the 1960s. Your hero Abbott will be happy to send you back there.

    Don’t forget that the Beatles are due to tour in 1964. Got your tickets yet?

  20. It’s simple..the Libs will have to come up with policies which appeal to the younger demographic instead of remaining old farts locked into the supposed good old days.

  21. The shock from Pyne amuses me somewhat..don’t tell me that he was completely oblivious to the fact that this was going to happen in June..ah well, knowing Pyne that could indeed be the case..completely oblivious.

  22. Migs

    I will respond in more detail later because I have to take my daughter to school right now However on this issue I have tried to offer debate and raise concerns about the way that Labor want to change the voter registration to address the substantive issue.
    Given the fact that voter apathy is not restricted to any one political persuasion I tend to think that it will probably end up being a zero sum game and we will most likely just see an increase in the informal vote and quite a few of those newly automatically registered voters fined for not voting. Its a lead a horse to water but can’t make them drink as far as I can see. But as the Greens will be on board there is every chance that Labor may get this up but I don’t think that it can possibly do anything other than save one or two chairs as the latest polling suggest that we have just seen a dead cat bounce in their fortunes and they won’t be re-elected anyway.

  23. Iain, I look forward to your detailed response in the anticipation it might contain something of worthwhile debate. Please don’t disappoint me.

  24. Migs – Yeah Yeah!!
    Been a Hard Days Night -for 2012 and 2013 not looking better.
    ‘Im a Loser’ sums up Ms Dullards future prospects. 2013 looks real bad for
    many sitting ALP Federal Members.
    And those polls puts Labor Primary at 32% – not exactly Christmas cheer
    for many CW fans. On the positive side it could have been a lot worse.
    But Kruddie will sure get restless over Xmas / New Year just wait n see.

  25. PS – Iain, be warned. I’m getting sick to death of seeing regular commenters here being attacked or criticised for daring to have an opinion that doesn’t sit in with the outdated right-wing view of the world. This is a blog site, not a shooting gallery.

    I’m starting to get pissed off.

  26. From where I sit, I see a completely different picture.

    It is the freedom strangling totalitarian versus the libertarian. It is the surrender of our sovereignty to the UN qangos or standing on our own to determine our future.

    Our younger generations care no more for the future than the older generations. To imply that people that have produced progeny do not care is false. It is up to the older generations to determine the Australia of tomorrow…a failure by all sides of politics and left to their own devices, the future looks bleak!

    The younger generations want to aspire, above all and will vote accordingly.

  27. Scaper, it’s what’s in the future that’s important to them. They want, for example, the technology the future could offer. Imagine missing out on it.

  28. From my post back in October Voting: let’s keep it compulsory I wrote:

    Howard himself had fiddled with the Act prior to the 2007 election when he removed the seven day period after the issue of the election writs during which voters could enrol or update their enrolment. This was a sneaky move. With the opinion polls showing strong support for Labor from 18-21 year olds, Howard wanted to exclude as many of that cohort group from voting and removal of the seven day enrolment period was a dastardly means at his disposal

    I noticed on that post that people like Iain weren’t there to criticise it. Is that somewhat hypocritical do you think?

  29. I also note the large number of different commenters on that post, possibly due to being allowed to have an opinion without being shot down in flames with every word they wrote.

    Is that telling me something?

  30. How much more technology can a person handle? What about freedom of the Internet that if Labor had their way would be monitored or worse? What about the constricting freedom of speech and the overturning the principle of law…reverse onus of proof? Guilty until proof of innocence?

  31. Scaper, as I outlined in my poem ” The Aspirational Voter” in most cases reality falls well short of aspiration, and I think you well and truly underestimate the amount of concern in the wider youth demographic wrt climate change, cost of living and the future.

    As far as the troll doing a jig in anticipation of the demise of the ALP based on one news poll that goes against the recent trends… tell him he’s dreamin’.

    Oh that’s right… thats what he does best. 😆 😆 😆 🙄

    Remember what happened in the US of A and their right wing projections, and the danger of counting chickens.

    Just sayin’

    Migs, good to see advent of the attack duck… sic em! 😀

    Cheers 😀

  32. Iain Hall
    DECEMBER 11, 2012 @ 12:00 AM
    Sad to see that you have fallen for Labor spin on this issue Migs, the fact is that no one in politics wants to see eligible citizens prevented from exercising their franchise

    Nick Minchin doesn’t

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-24/minchin-backs-voting-legal-fight/4277466

    Miglo
    DECEMBER 11, 2012 @ 7:59 AM
    It’s as simple as that, Min.

    It’s not Labor spin, it’s Liberal ignorance.

    Moreover these Lazy Fiberals expect to coast as they have obviously run out of political petrol.

  33. Miglo
    DECEMBER 11, 2012 @ 8:06 AM
    Iain, I look forward to your detailed response in the anticipation it might contain something of worthwhile debate. Please don’t disappoint me.

    Migs your a man of aspirational abject positivity, no wonder you vote Labor. I’ll be there for you mate when such generous exceptions are reaffirmed by the predictability that is the “factless troll show”of Iain Hall

  34. Scaper, agreed, depending on the aspiration.

    Political apathy has always been a problem in Australia, and it does present as the enemy of progress but it is a bigger enemy to democracy and the long term freedoms that our democracy affords.

    Unfortunately the biggest level of apathy is to be found in the perceptions of the disenfranchised, the lower socio economic demographic and the young, and these are the groups that are much more likely to support the ideologies of the left.

    OH NO, I am almost agreeing with scaper….. 😳 shoot me… shoot me now!

    Cheers 😀 🙄 😀

  35. Scaper, I believe that this is why I object to Abbott as PM absolutely..no vision for the future, no aspirations other than his own personal deification glorification.

    Abbott gives me the impression that he neither knows..nor cares what happens AFTER he is handed all of the power and the glory.

  36. Min, I’ve had the experience of meeting Abbott…was I impressed?

    In the quest of what I’m trying to achieve, I’ve yet to meet a politician of any vision on either side, it is not in their DNA!

    Can’t rely on any side to deliver.

  37. The 2013 Federal election is a most critical one for Australia globally, and the choice is stark.
    Elect a NO Coalition government and see a recession as the Federal government cuts spending, increasing unemployment just like the current Coalition State governments. Also watch as we see a shift further towards the ultra-conservatism, free-marketeering, carpetbagging, Tea Party society extant in the United States today. At this time in global history Australia can’t afford to be led back to the past of conservatism and isolationism.
    Labor at least will continue with policies that maintain a financial flexibility and keep up our interactions with the global economy and with the Asian region (our greatest opportunity).
    While I may not be particularly happy with Labor, and am especially disappointed with the Greens and their uncompromising radicalism since Brown left (I wonder if he saw the writing on the wall?) I’ll be acting to maximise my vote to re-elect the Labor party in 2013.

  38. Scaper.. I gather that you weren’t. I believe that with Turnbull as leader that Australia at least has a chance to move towards more forward thinking actions. With Abbott, it seemed that at times both major parties were attempting to out-conservative one another…a race to see who could best pander to the Alan Jones listeners. The environment and the future needs to become “sexy” again.

  39. We are in a dangerous situation when the media has full control on who is going to win the next federal elections.

  40. I’ve met them both and worked on the republican campaign. Abbott affirmed why I vote Labor but Turnbul’s public image is chocolate coating on a turd. A merchant banker who reneged on a handshake deal with Kerry Packer sums him up..

  41. Crowey, exactly on that note..it was a prediction. **with thanks to Wixxy for the link.

    Brace yourself — because the next Newspoll will contradict the current mood that Labor has Abbott on the run and will almost certainly save the Liberals, writes Bob Ellis.

    By Bob Ellis

    Murdoch likes to bring good news to the Liberals when they are down and depress the mood of Labor when they think they are winning. And so it will be, and so it will go, on Tuesday next when Labor, 42, down from 45, and Abbott, 34, up from 30, and beating Gillard 41 to 37, will in the Newspoll contradict the current feeling that Craig’s oration, the Swan Budget, the defiant hooker, the economic figures, the employment figures, the nanny allowance and the Pyne-Abbott dash for the door has done the Tories harm.

    The figures will be arrived at by, well, a kind of cheating.

    This is how it will be done.

    Much of the Labor vote will be away on the long weekend and no mobile phones will be rung. Those still home will be the old, the ill, the childless, the friendless, and the mad — and they, as always, will favour the Liberals, the Nationals, Family First, the DLP and the LNP.

    And the effect on Labor this time will be devastating. Gillard’s last shred of hope will go and Rudd will be asked to challenge and out of the wash, out of the cradle endlessly rocking, in a week or two, or four, a new leader will emerge. Crean, perhaps, who will lose; not Carr or Shorten, who could win. Or Plibersek or Combet or Roxon, who could run Abbott close.

    But, in fact, the poll will be wrong. It will be no more than an indication of the absence this weekend from their landline phones of those in caravans, on boats, at Darling Harbour, in 3D movies, in restaurants, at the Film Festival, bushwalking with their children, or visiting their mothers in country towns.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/the-coming-coalition-newspoll-miracle/

  42. Iain, please tell me what spin I’ve fallen for. Amuse me. Surprise me.

    Hope you’re not holding your breath for that, Migs. Iain seems to have forgotten the slippery move by Howard to prevent (mainly young people) being able to enrol or update their details within 7 days of the issuing of writs, by altering the time frame to 8.00pm on the day the writs are issued.

    Getup successfully petitioned the High Court to overturn the legislation.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/getup-high-court-win-overturns-howards-electoral-laws-20100806-11m31.html

    Having said that, I don’t doubt that Iain is sincere when he says that eligible people should vote. I really do think he’s quite sincere in his desire for this country to prosper and grow.

    He’s just very misguided as to the best party to get the job done. :mrgreen:

    Another great post, btw.

    And @7.46am, 😆 😆 😆

    WRT land lines, a lot of people still have them because there is no mobile reception where they live, as is the case where I live. You can get mobile reception if you stand in the middle of the road, which I’d suggest is not ideal.

    And if you’re with Vodaphone, 3 and other carriers, you won’t get reception even then.

    And I guess a lot of old farts have no interest in, or need for, the bells and whistles that come with mobiles.

    I’m 3rd generation Labor voter. My mother’s family voted for the Tories in the UK, but changed tack when they arrived on these shores. My father’s family would rather have scooped their eyes out with a spoon than vote Tory.

    And I’ve never found anything the Tories have on offer to be attractive or valuable to the country or to me or my family. They only represent the interests of the wealthy, imo.

    scaper, by “freedom of speech” do you mean restricting the “right” of creatures like Dolt, Jones & co to defame, slander, smear and lie publicly about people they don’t like?

    I notice that the people who do the most squealing about their “right” to free speech being constricted, invariably mean that they should be not be bound to tell the truth or present facts as opposed to the factoids and truthiness they manufacture and present as the truth.

    Dolt is a prime example, as is the lying toerag, Anal Jones. Bullies who run for Mummy’s skirts as soon as they’re called for the liars and dirt bags they truly are.

  43. Well it’s simply not true to suggest that the issue of getting eligible people on the roll is a new issue. The AEC and the Labor party have independently talked about it for at least 20 years!

    It makes it sound dodgy when you refer to “3rd party data”, but what was is actually using a variety of other verifiable GOVERNMENT data.

    In fact using several sources is likely to improve the quality of AEC data! It is much harder to rort Drivers Licence AND Medicare AND Taxation data than just the AEC data which simply involves completing a form.

    Whilst the Liberals SAY they are all for getting all eligible voters on the rolls their protests indicate otherwise.

  44. Any grumpy old babyboomer who went to university in the 1970s courtesy of Gough Whitlam and now votes LNP should eternally hang for their heads for being the ingrates that they truly are.

    PS Btw, I’m qualified to say this…

  45. Scaper, nope I’m not saying that at all..if you read the article several interesting features are noted which are likely to effect the results of polls. I believe that these should be considered before taking paper-polls as gospel.

  46. Big news
    Freak out time

    Cadbury’s has NOT made Chocolate Sultanas for Xmas 2012. If you want some choccy sultanas you have to buy a jar of fruit and nut.

  47. John wrote:

    Whilst the Liberals SAY they are all for getting all eligible voters on the rolls their protests indicate otherwise.

    Good policy when weighing up the Fiberals: Don’t listen to what they say; watch what they do!

  48. The australian’s latest article following on from their newspoll. The story would be swallowed whole by RWNJ as for the lefties. I am sure that Labor voters would be really concerned that a “big left wing agenda” such as health, education, nbn, ndis are the issues that the PM is pushing, where apparently the bigger issues for voters are tax cuts, abbott’s mummy bonus for the wealthy and middle class welfare. Yes I am sure the australian’s source for these comment are real.

    “Today’s Newspoll has Labor’s primary vote down four percentage points to a six-month low of 32 per cent. The Coalition’s primary vote rose three points to 46 per cent – its highest level since the end of August.

    “We are back to our base,” said one caucus member. “We’ve got a big left wing agenda but there’s nothing for anyone else.”

    The MP said the Prime Minister was playing a “victim strategy”, which was further alienating her from those already critical of her performance.”
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/polling/labor-mps-downcast-after-poll-reversal/story-fnc6vkbc-1226534424952

  49. The next thing you know the Australian will be reporting that Mick Romney will win the US election and or it will be so close that the US supreme Court will determine the result. Oh that’s right they did.

  50. Sue, sure it was a caucus member; one from the Liars Party.

    BTW, Migs, that photo is possibly the scariest thing I’ve seen in many a long year. The thought of that having its paws on the levers of power is truly horrifying.

  51. Iain, we believe that minorities in this country should not vote in governments.

    Everyone is expected to partake in democracy. Saying that, no one is forced to vote.

    We have compulsory enrollment. What is wrong with that being automatic.

    This is not a democracy like the USA, where every step that can make it hard for people to vote, seems to be in place.

  52. Iain, if this is the first you have heard of this, you do not follow politics closely. It has been debated since Howard tried to disenfranchise as many as possible, the courts have other ideas., The matter has been debated in the house in the last few weeks.

    It is not our fault, if the media once again does not report.

    I have mentioned it on more than one occasion myself.

  53. scaper it would not surprise me, if my father made that comment in the 1920’s, But then up to he died in 1997, he embraced each wave of of technology that descended on us.

    Once again a stupid comment.

    I cannot see the young wanting the NBNco to go down the drain.

  54. PM does not seem to fussed about the polls. Said the next elections will not be on that poll. Maybe the private polling is showing a different picture. Yes, many did non believe the PM over the AWU beat-up. The same people also said they did not care.

  55. Iain, I look forward to your detailed response in the anticipation it might contain something of worthwhile debate. Please don’t disappoint me.

    😯

  56. Did not know that this post was only about the voting system,. I thought it was about whether we consider the next election important, and what we would like to see, arising from it.

    That is do, we want to proceed to the future, or go back to the past.

  57. Maybe, it should be, do we want to stay with reality, or enter fanasty land.

    ………….That’s not a projection or a fantasy, that’s the brutal reality of what is happening in Europe right now: in an effort to adhere to a particular fiscal policy regardless of its economic impact, the EU is in a depression — yes, a real, 1930s-style depression — that keeps pushing its fiscal targets further away, never mind the 50% youth unemployment and social dislocation. Austerity doesn’t work even at its specific goal of curbing government debt. It’s Sisyphean economics and it’s destroying a generation of European workers.

    What is a fantasy is Pyne’s statement, of course, predicated on the broader fantasy peddled by Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey, that the election of a Coalition government next year will magically reset Australia to the Howard years, instantly returning us to a point before the GFC-cruelled revenues, before consumers returned to historical rates of savings and before mining companies began ramping up investment, when the principal task of the federal government was to figure out how to blow the windfall revenues that piled up every year.

    That’s a political fantasy and good luck to the Coalition in trying to sell it. Maybe enough voters will believe it, who knows. All’s fair in love and politics.

    The more dangerous fantasy, the one that can and will harm the economy, is the one that insists that budget surpluses are the key goal of economic policy, rather than a tool in the service of broader economic outcomes. Whether you believe it because you’re stupid enough to think governments are just like households and must always “live within their means” or you believe it because you have a pathological hatred of debt and think government is always too large, not matter what size it is, it means substituting ideology for thinking, and substituting the means for the ends.

    The result is a polity incapable of coherently responding to changing economic circumstances, of doing what the Rudd government did when faced with the challenge of the GFC and retooling its economic approach to preserve jobs. Just ask the Europeans…….

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/11/christopher-pyne-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-surplus/

  58. Speaking of the polls… The Coalition are like a disabled person, and the media are the crutch that keeps them upright and mobile.

  59. No, you don’t win, you project. Who’s “lecturing”? You are:

    You have a habit of sticking your nose into other peoples conversations out of context.

    Right-Wing Projection.

  60. I quite like Cuppa. I like you too, Scaper. I like most people. We can all get on but I might just say . . . The left will prevail. Good always wins over bad.

  61. The good thing is, the Old Media is losing its influence. They more and more preach to the converted – old, unhappy misfits who need to be instructed on what to think. New Media is on the ascendancy, and unlike the OM, the left is not locked out. We’ve got our voice (back) and it’s only going to get louder.

  62. Austerity doesn’t work even at its specific goal of curbing government debt. It’s Sisyphean economics and it’s destroying a generation of European workers.

    Is Bernard Keane right?? Austerity is destroying European workers?? I could have sworn that Europe got into trouble by overspending and are now trying to solve the overspending problem by cutting back on govt spending.

    They said the same thing about Howards policies when he took the meat axe to the Public Service in 1996 and we had the Parliament House riot. It took hard decisions to get the budget back into surplus not dumb luck. Turns out it lead to 11 years of prosperity.

  63. Dopey, the global boom led to the prosperity. That, plus a domestic resources boom which came along in the latter stage of the Noalition’s term in office. Both of them the biggest booms seen in a generation. Neither of them any of the doing of the Noalition.,

  64. Dopey, the global boom led to the prosperity.

    Really?? Did you see the debt the US and some European countries racked up during this age of prosperity.

    Both of them the biggest booms seen in a generation.

    Actually the current mining boom is much bigger than when the Coalition was in power. Terms of trade are better to. And the drought has ended.

    But is Bernard Keane right?? Austerity is killing Europe?? Could it be that previous policies did the damage??

  65. Would not get too excited over that poll. The PM held her popularity figures. Was mostly taken over the first week of the last sitting, when the opposition was leading the attack.

    The one I am more interested in, is where the PM wiped the floor with Abbott and Bishop. I sense that maybe there could be a littles reversal.

    This could be why the PM is very comfortable with the polls. Knows there is good chance of a reversal coming.

    Anyway, this time next year, we will know what the true position is. The election should be over by then.

    Suspect there will be many ups and downs, until then.

  66. Neil, why cannot you accept the reality, that there are good and bad Coalition governments. There are good and bad Labor governments.

    Some govern better than others.

    Some have it easy, others have it hard.

    All governments have to operate within the global economy.

    Some, such as Whitlam and Keating enact many reforms. Reforms that often make them unpopular at the time, but in the fullness of time, are proven to be correct.

    Some believed to be great in their time, are often found wanting in retrospect.

    Neil, this is life.

  67. That is what is amazing with how our economy is traveling. It is flowing against global conditions,

    It would be a different story if the Coalition were in office. Take them at their record. Last time they were in office during a global downturn (though not as serious as the GFC) they gave us the worst domestic recession since the Great Depression.

    As usual, don’t listen to what the Coalition say, watch what they do.

  68. Neil, I would still consider, it might have been the cutting of receipts, by lowering taxes over time that could be the culprit.

  69. Before the GFC Wall Street was hovering around 14,000 points, ours was around 7,500 points.

    Now, Wall Street over 12,000 points yet ours is hovering around 4,500 points?

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  71. An LNP government would reflect more deeply, their Goebellian propaganda techniques and reveal policies with similar roots – which is why, imho they are so eager to avoid any policy scrutiny – as a prelude to what ? Fascism ?

  72. Pynocchio Pyne was saying yesterday that if the Coalition had been in office during the GFC it’s likely the budget would have stayed in surplus.

    Pyne caught red-handed with the airbrush

    Let’s take them at their record.

    In 2000-2001 there was a comparatively mild external hiccup. The federal budget went into deficit.

    (That was after Dozey Costello had the year previous promised a surplus).

    If they couldn’t prevent a deficit during just a relatively mild external hiccup, they wouldn’t have had a hope in hell of doing so during the GFC – the most drastic global downturn in three-quarters of a century.

    Lies, Spin… and more Spin. Always more Spin.

    Don’t listen to what they say, watch what they do.

  73. The 2000-2001 income year produced a $5.872B surplus.

    The 2002-2003 income year produced a $1.067B deficit.

    The 2002-2003 income year produced a $7.370B surplus.

  74. No GFC, and interest rates, rising and rising and rising. How many rise in a row was that. Neil, how many times did interest rates rise under Mr. Howard in a row..

    All this in spite of all those surpluses. Nor, I believe there was also record rises in private debt. Neil, do you happen to know how much this debt rose.

  75. Neil keeps conflating mining boom with record sustained economic growth, and it’s been pointed out to him before.

    Howard presided over the longest sustained world economic boom in history, a growth that started around two years before he took office and for which Keating positioned the economy.

    An economic growth is not a mining boom, though a mining boom can become part of one. All those other countries around the world that were experiencing record growth were not doing so on mining and neither was Australia until the just after the new century.

    Mining booms don’t just switch on either, their is a lead up period ramping up to the boom. This can be several years before the mining boom starts as companies by equipment and put in place the instruments and investments needed to start mining on a large scale.

    The fact is the Howard government did reside over the biggest ever sustained period of global economic growth with only the hiccup of the short term Asia crisis as a negative. During that crisis the Howard government basically did nothing, as they did for most things in their decade plus of rule, they just sailed on calm seas and light winds using auto pilot and with the sails mostly furled.

    The only things they did of significance were early in the term, were unnecessary and normal Liberal government actions, sell everything and slash the rest.

  76. Neil explain why it is necessary for governments to run budget surpluses instead of keeping public infrastructure in good repair.

  77. Both scaper, also noting where the States obtain much of their funding for most of the infrastructure they’re responsible for…

  78. Mixture of both depending on the infrastructure and who built it in the first instance, though some infrastructure may have been built by Federal funds and handed to a State of vice versa.

  79. In the next instalment tomorrow the revelations on how the electoral commission kept donors to Abbott’s slush fund quiet.

    Here’s today start to the series: Tony Abbott’s Slush Fund

    Abbott lied to the AEC and that should rule him out as a leader of a party let along being the PM. If a Labor pollie had been a fraction of that crooked you would not have heard the end of it from the rabid right, but to them malfeasance and corruption from their own, even rigging electoral enrolments, is a badge of honour when their side does it.

    Proves how morally corrupt they are.

  80. “Is it a state or federal responsibility to maintain infrastructure?”

    I believe the founding fathers thought it was the responsibility of the states.

    The Federal government tp look after things such as defence, and what extended across borders. Social security and like institutions.

    Thos I believe worked well. The states not only had the responsibility but also the means to raise their own money by taxation.

    This changed during the Second World War. The States handed these powers over to the Federal Government for the duration of the war. They were never handed back.

    The states then became reliant on the federal government for money.

    The roles appear to have become merged, often by stealth.

    Some by decision of the High Court, some handed over, to what I believe today, is a broken, wasteful and inefficient system. A system where there a much duplication.

    How one unscramble this egg, I do not know, but it is about time, we went back to Mr.Whillam’s attempt to review the constitution.

    The GST did not fix the problem. Too much overlaps now to hand taxation powers back to the states.
    .

  81. Once upon a time, one use to gear the states defending state powers. We seem to have gone that far, that one never hears this now,

  82. I believe that the government that spends the money, should be responsible for spending it. I believe we should not have duplication of departments in both federal and states.

    One government should not be able to tell another what to do. Yes,negotiate and agree but not direct.

  83. Neil explain why it is necessary for governments to run budget surpluses instead of keeping public infrastructure in good repair.

    Maybe a good govt can do both at the same time.

    One thing you leftoids condemn Howard for was that he did not spend on infrastructure. The implication is that Hawke/Keating did and Howard didn’t. However I have never seen any figures of what Hawke/Keating spent on infrastructure.

    You people seem to be in the know that Howard did not spend enough however I have seen so many lies told about Howard by Labor supporters I distrust anything said about Howard by the ALP. I am not even sure the role between the Commonwealth and the State re: infrastructure spending.

  84. Sorry, Neil, I forgot, every school got a flag pole, that only Liberal MP’s were allow to attend the opening of. Never said why a ceremony was needed for such a minor thing, Had to have a plaque as well.

  85. Main achievements (1983-1991)
     Convened Economic Summit 1983 which produced a ‘Wages Accord’ with the trade unions.
    The Accord improved economic growth without inflation and cut real wages.
     Intervened to stop the Tasmanian government proceeding with construction of a dam in
    the Gordon-below-Franklin area. The World Heritage Properties Conservation Act 1983
    gave the Commonwealth control over State heritage sites.
     Modernised the national economy, and integrated it into the global economy, through a
    program of deregulation. Moved for privatisation of the domestic airline and the
    Commonwealth Bank. Floated the Australian dollar and admitted foreign banks to compete
    with national ones. Phased out or reduced tariff protection for local industries.
     Diversified Australia’s export base and built closer ties with Asian countries. Established the
    Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation forum 1989.
     Comprehensive tax reform. Reduced top marginal rate, introduced capital gains tax.
     Improved social security benefits to the children of low-income families. Established the
    Medicare health scheme 1984.
     Outlawed sex discrimination in the workforce via the Sex Discrimination Act 1984.
     Reformed Australia’s education and training system. Established national training and
    qualification standards, and curriculum standards for schools. Created new universities
    from former Colleges of Advanced Education.
     Established the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission (ATSIC) 1989 as the peak
    national policy and administrative agency for Indigenous Australians.
     Used personal diplomacy to develop closer ties between Australia and the United States,
    Russia, China, Japan and South-east Asia.
     Supported international pressure on South Africa to overturn its apartheid regime.
    Committed Australia to the multinational military force that defended
    Kuwait’s sovereignty against the Iraqi invasion 1990-91.

    http://static.moadoph.gov.au/ophgovau/media/images/apmc/docs/23-Hawke-Web.pdf

  86. Legislation

    An increasingly heavy legislative program was continued by the Hawke governments. Several Acts of parliament of importance in Australian political life over many decades were nearing the end of their useful life and needed to be completely redrafted to reflect changing legislative requirements. These new acts included:

    The Industrial Relations Act 1988, replacing the Conciliation and Arbitration Act 1904 and the Social Security Act 1991, which replaced the Social Security Act 1947.

    Other legislation included:

    The World Heritage Properties Conservation Act 1983 which brought state territory listed as heritage areas within the control of the Commonwealth through the use of the external affairs power in the Constitution.

    The Sex Discrimination Act 1984 which outlawed sex discrimination in the workforce.

    The Australia Act 1985 which finally ended residual control theoretically exercised by the British Government in regard to certain state functions.

    The Privacy Act 1988 which provided for safeguards over the use of information held about people in data banks and other information storage systems.

    The Hawke government also took an important step in legislating for Australia’s Indigenous peoples through the passage of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission Act 1989, which established the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission (ATSIC) as the peak national policy and administrative agency for the Indigenous peoples. This Act combined in ATSIC the functions of the former Commonwealth Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Aboriginal Development Commission.

    The Australian Postal Corporation Act 1989 was an example of legislation giving wide ranging entrepreneurial powers to government business enterprises, subject to some legislative safeguards.

    http://www.nma.gov.au/primeministers/bob_hawke

  87. Legislation

    During Paul Keating’s prime ministership the following notable legislation was introduced:

    The Antarctic (Environmental Protection) Legislative Amendment Act 1992 gave legislative effect to obligations arising from the Protocol on Environmental Protection to the Antarctic Treaty (the Madrid Protocol).

    The Australian National Training Authority Act 1992 established the Australian National Training Authority and its administration.

    The Disability Discrimination Act 1992 provided for national uniform legislation to make discrimination on the basis of disability unlawful.

    The Endangered Species Protection Act 1992 provided a framework for the protection of endangered species and ecological communities.

    The Broadcasting Services Act 1992 gave legislative effect to the government’s 1987 election commitment to reform the Broadcasting Act 1942 and establish the Australian Broadcasting Authority for the purpose of regulating all aspects of broadcasting.

    The Native Title Act 1993 legislated on matters arising from the High Court of Australia decision in Mabo v Queensland (No. 2) and provided a national system for the recognition and protection of native title and for its co-existence with the national land management system.

    The Land Fund and Indigenous Land Corporation (ATSIC Amendment) Bill 1995 amended the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission Act 1989 to establish the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Land Fund and Indigenous Land Corporation.

    http://www.nma.gov.au/primeministers/paul_keating

  88. Well if you are talking about general infrastructure like roads Howard did spend money

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2005-06/ministerial/html/dotars-19.htm

    Australian Government investment in rail and road infrastructure in 2005-06 is $2.2 billion — a figure that will grow even higher in future years as the Australian Government continues to implement AusLink, the National Transport Plan. AusLink has radically transformed how Australia plans and implements the rollout of essential transport infrastructure, directly linking rail and road improvements with industry needs and growth………………The Government’s AusLink investment programme projects include WestLink, the new $1.5 billion ring road for Sydney and a new 17 km northern gateway for Melbourne in 2005-06, extension of the Bruce Highway widening north of Brisbane, a new road and rail access for Adelaide and better port links for Melbourne and Perth.

    Construction has started on the $518.2 million Hume Highway upgrade at Albury Wodonga — the largest single road project in regional Australia. Further funding has been allocated for works further north as the Australian Government sets about meeting its objective of duplicating the Hume Highway by 2012. The Australian and New South Wales governments are also exploring options for meeting the AusLink objective of a duplicated Pacific Highway by 2016………………..The 2005-06 Budget confirms that the Australian Government will invest $1.35 billion in the AusLink Roads to Recovery programme — a vital injection of funds that is needed to build the future of Australia’s local road system. The Australian Government will spend $340.6 million on the programme in 2005-06……….The Australian Government will extend the AusLink Black Spot Programme until June 2008.

  89. ‘Under the scenario we looked at, people could enjoy the enviable lifestyle of Queensland’s Sunshine Coast – and be just 31 minutes from their office in downtown Brisbane. In Victoria, people could live on the Murray River and be at work in Melbourne in less than an hour.

    ‘HSR offers a real game changer for commuters in Australia’s capital cities; and provides an opportunity to deal with housing supply and lifestyle constraints in the face of population growth.

    ‘Importantly, HSR could also resolve the long debate about the location of a new airport for Sydney. HSR could connect Sydney to an existing airport at Canberra or Newcastle in well under an hour. This would save some $15 billion in development costs for a new airport – and substantially improve the economic case for the delivery of the first segment of an eventual east coast High Speed Rail network.’

    Brendan Lyon in The Punch

  90. Remember the Bicentennial public transport funding? It was a Hawke/Keating invention.

    For a start, Hawke/Keating funded the second tunnel between Roma Street and Fortitude Valley Stations in Brisbane (including the full upgrade of Roma St Station, two additional platforms at Central), as well as most of the recently superseded 400 series buses for the Brisbane City Council.

    I believe there was a number of projects funding public trasnport in the other state capitals as well (possibly including some of Perth’s rail electrification scheme).

  91. ‘During the 2010 federal election campaign, the Greens, the Australian Labor Party and the Liberal National Party Coalition all announced policy commitments to a feasibility study into an east coast, very fast train system.

    ‘As well, plans were advanced for completion of an inland rail route to serve freight transport. Both systems have been the subject of prolonged previous studies and proposals that have mainly stalled.’

    Matthew James

  92. Well, i guess the numbers don’t lie, but i am one of the over 50’s who cares hugely about the future (as do my many friends), just as it breaks my heart that there are only 4 white rhinos on the African plains, even though neither issue will likely bother me personally.
    When i was the ‘young generation’, i was out with my friends protesting the Vietnam War, and Whitlam’s dismissal, and sneaking around at night putting up homemade posters and getting stopped by police.
    Why is the young generation today not out in the streets screaming their heads off about the damage to their future through what is essentially a war against the environment?
    When i went to a pro carbon price rally, i didn’t notice that it was dominated by young people.
    Where the bloody hell are they???
    I’m happy to join them any chance i get, but unless and until they get off their arses in their thousands, i don’t feel like there’s a whole lot of point to me jumping up and down on my own!
    Sometimes you gotta do more than click.

  93. A Xmas coup to save the party?

    ‘LABOR backbenchers have slumped back into a despondent funk after the final Newspoll of 2012 showed the party ending the year where it began – facing an election wipeout.

    ‘After a brief period of respite, when backbenchers basked in the hint of a recovery, many Labor MPs are now deeply pessimistic at Julia Gillard’s chances of turning the party’s fortunes around.’

    Ben Packham in the Oz

  94. salzagal ….”Sometimes you gotta do more than click” . …totally agree. 😉 . and thats a ‘learn’t thing’ …. it’s like how people say.. ‘they’…. ‘THEY’ should do this….. and ‘They’ should do that….. what the *F* are ‘THEY’ doing . one has got to realise ‘whom’ ‘They’ are….. and I’ve found an *low-Tech* devices that lets ya know ‘whom’ THEY are….. if you want to know ‘whom’ THEY are all you need is a mirror……….. 😀

  95. Eg, I dare say that Di is.

    Salzagal, just from my experience young people do care and are working hard but via the 21st century method of social networking..blogs, twitter and Facebook.

  96. Hey Migs, what’s happened to ya mate ian?

    Haven’t seen or heard from him since his promise to reply to you yesterday morning. Will we need to wait long do you think?

  97. Tom, I don’t think Iain liked the serve I gave him yesterday. Whilst it was addressed to him, it wasn’t aimed personally at him, but to the growing number of right-wingers who are intent on derailing topics.

    El gordo and Neil were excluded. They’re part of the team now.

  98. They’re part of the team now.

    That alone is disturbing, particularly in light of the dribble grodo is currently putting up on his thread

    global cooling ROFL

  99. Re el gordo’s cut n paste of an Oz article – been there done that so many times before…bad poll for Labor gets plastered all over p1, and good polls get buried in a small corner somewhere. Quite simply – polls don’t matter this far out from the election. The only thing Labor would be worried about is the health risk of certain people hyperventilating.

  100. The only thing Labor would be worried about is the health risk of certain people hyperventilating.

    I wouldn’t worry too much. The only ones at risk appear to be the OM. I’m beyond caring about their health (figuratively speaking).

  101. Judge agreed that the case was designed to inflict damage on Slipper. Does this surprise many, when one listen to the judge during the hearings. Peter Slipper has won No case to answer.

    Once again the legal opinions of Mr. Brandis found wanting.

  102. Yet the damage was already done CU. All they wanted was those texts put in the public domain. I hope that their is some kind of blowback for this, but there won’t be

  103. Neil of Sydney
    DECEMBER 11, 2012 @ 8:26 PM
    What did Hawke/keating build??

    Tom R
    DECEMBER 12, 2012 @ 8:14 AM
    Hey Migs, what’s happened to ya mate ian?

    Miglo
    DECEMBER 12, 2012 @ 8:21 AM
    , but to the growing number of right-wingers who are intent on derailing topics.
    El gordo and Neil were excluded. They’re part of the team now.

  104. ………………Opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne has declared it a “rort” designed to help the Gillard government get re-elected.
    The media has played up the electoral angle—how many seats will it deliver the government?—because … that’s what the media does.
    But direct enrolment will have a negligible effect, if any, on the next election result.
    Here are some simple facts about the electoral roll and direct enrolment.
    There are currently around 14.3 million people on the electoral roll. At the last election, in 2010, there were 14.1 million. The AEC estimates that today around 1.5 million eligible voters living in Australia* are not on the roll, and puts the 2010 number at 1.4 million.
    So about one in ten eligible voters are not on the roll.
    But—and this bit seems to cause confusion among some journalists and academics—it is not true to say most of those 1.5 million are young people. Most of them are in fact over 30. There are more unenrolled people over 50 than aged 18 and 19. I spelt this out in a recent post.
    The AEC estimates that around 900, 000 of the 1.5 million have never been on the roll, and 600, 000 have been at some stage, but dropped off when they moved home and the AEC found out about it.
    So young never-enrolled are a minority of the “missing 1.5 million”. This is important.
    Another misunderstanding, or assumption behind shock-horror analysis, is that direct enrolment will get all these unenrolled onto the roll. It won’t. It won’t even come close, not even by 2020……

    http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/mumble/index.php/theaustralian/comments/the_truth_about_direct_enrolment/

  105. salzagal, a good thought provoking comment. I remember back to the mid seventies at the front of an anti uranium mining protest in Sydney. The young were predominant and we did crazy things. Got caught by the feds in Lucas Heights plastering the outer shell of the reactor with Ban Uranium Mining stickers.

    Now there seems to be a lack of young people exercising their voices. As I mentioned somewhere above…too much technology and apathy being the enemy of progress.

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