Question: What do Tony Abbott and the Mayans have in common?


Answer: They both prophesised the destruction of Whyalla in 2012.

Welcome to the shortest post in the history of this blog. Have some fun with it. Your choice – Tony Abbott or the Mayans. 🙂


127 comments on “Question: What do Tony Abbott and the Mayans have in common?

  1. I think I just inadvertently hit the nail on the head. The reason Abbott doesn’t produce policies is that he prefers to produce prophesies.

  2. Migs, I thought his policies (?) were more along the lines of hindsight.
    And if it is prophesy, like everything else he’s not very good at it going on the results of his efforts so far ie;


    Wrecking ball

    Carbon price

    He’s got nothin’

    Cheers 😆

  3. Haha ! yes, Behold ! Soothsayer Abbott ! Roaming the countryside in his fruit truck clad only in red budgie smugglers.Telling fearsome prophesies of imending doom and destruction. He alone is our saviour and bananas are on sale this week, buy 4 for the price of 6.

  4. Tony Abbott is completely irrelevant! ……and the Libs are so ignorant they cant even see that!….just keep him there and we’ll all be fine getting on with developing an even more amazing country!…..

  5. It was actually a Union which made this prophecy.

    THE state’s two key industrial cities will be “wiped off the map” by a carbon tax, a major union warns.

    The tax would strip thousands of jobs from Whyalla and Port Pirie, the Australian Workers Union state secretary Wayne Hanson said.

    The internal revolt from Labor’s industrial heartland threatens not just the reform but the Government’s survival.”

  6. Peter, the reason that they can’t see it is because they are as irrelevant as he is.

    What A Joke the LNP are.

    What a joke the LNP are….. they really aren’t that smart
    Their federal leader… Abbott….does nothing but brain fart
    Misogynist and pugilist… he’s good at punching walls
    But as far as women and policy… he really has no balls

    His deputy the Bishop… says the Tony that I know
    Volunteers with local fire-ies… to put on quite a show
    He guides the blind through marathons… and walks on water too
    But Bishop.. just like Abbott.. is full of cattle poo

    Pyne enunciated the same script.. falling prostrate to the floor
    While proving once and for all time… he’s Abbotts little hoar
    He’s called the mincing poodle.. and he’s great at dummy spits
    But as leader of opposition business.. he gives everyone the shits

    Rolley poley Hockey… the alternate treasurer man
    Proves that numbers aren’t his forte…dragging figures from the can
    Claiming economic management… is the LNPs great strength
    While to hide his budget black hole.. he will go to any length

    Their antics in the question time… are legendary for sure
    Like the time that Thomson sent Pyne and Abbot.. running for the door
    And asking.. nothing much of relevance… but always calling for a vote
    To suspend the standing orders…their stupidity to promote

    Abetz their senate leader… is a man with little cred
    Taking fact and truth and reason…and putting them to bed
    Opting rather for the spin and lies.. that set the libs apart
    Coming second to the Abbott… in the stakes for best brain fart

    And they talk the talk with slogans… and abuse our great PM
    Using lies and obfuscation to turn attention… away from them
    But when they’re asked the tougher questions.. then it ceases to be fun
    So instead of walking the walk.. the bastards turn their backs and run

    In Victoria.. there’s Ted Ballieu… causing death by a thousand cuts
    To the public service sector… by his right wing bag of nuts
    And in New South Wales it’s O’Farrell…with his promises all shot
    A hundred and thirty and counting… means he’s lied an awful lot

    With Campbell Newman.. the new kid on the block… cutting services galore
    Pushing that tired old right wing chestnut….. that less is really more
    Telling lies about the economy using books Costello cooked
    While his model’s admired by Hockey and Abbott with both completely hooked

    Under Labors financial management… the GFC we dodged
    But with Abbott and his cronies.. all we’ll get is figures bodged
    And so give the reigns of power… to this rabble if you dare
    But don’t risk it if you have regard.. for our… Australia.. fair

    Cheers 😆 😆 😆

  7. If the Mayans were that good with their predictions then they should have at least forewarned us about Tony Abbott.

    With him looking set to win the 2013 election no wonder they wanted the world to end in 2012.

  8. Roswell, are you suggesting that the Mayans foresaw the spin that the MSM broadcast through 2010- 2012 and determined that the world should end because Abbot was looking set to win?
    Cos that position is looking less and less likely now!

    Dion, good point. The only thing that Abbott adds to our culture is lies, spin and fear for those who can’t be bothered to look for the truth. 👿 👿 👿

    Cheers 😀

  9. So should I pay my car insurance bill – due 28 December?

    On topic – I reckon the longer Abbott is LOTO the better, so personally I’d like to see him head the LNP at the next election and be chucked out by the somewhat reduced LNP MP’s soon afterwards.

  10. I have heard it from reliable sources that the bloke in the truck with Phoney has tried to commit suicide at least three times because he has said that Tone is a complete freaking nut job and he does not know how he can put up with this misogynist , sociopath, friut loop any longer. But just like Phoney he is a failure. This bloke is hoping the Mayans are right and the end of the world is nigh.

  11. Neil, are you saying, that Mr.Abbott does not have the wit or imagination to make up his own spin, Like his deputy, is guilty of plagiarism. Stealing his three word lines from others.

    That is terrible.

  12. Labor’s credibility shattered on surplus promise

    Media reports today confirm what Australians have known for many months: that Labor’s Budget surplus promise will never be met.

    Once again, Australians can’t trust Gillard Labor.

    In stark contrast, the Coalition has a plan to create a diverse strong five pillar powerhouse economy that can create one million new jobs over the next five years – and two million new jobs over the next decade.

    Click here to read Joe Hockey’s statement on Labor’s shattered promise on the surplus.

    Click here to watch Joe Hockey’s latest video.

    Click here to read today’s Financial Review article.


    Does the man not listen to what experts are saying. Just listen to ABC 24. They feel that any further cuts might make things worse. What was also said, it does not matter, as they are headed to a surplus. Only it will be a little later.

    Labor is still saying, they are doing all in their power to bring a surplus in next year. What is hockey ranting about.

    It is not about economics. It is about politics. Hockey, in this case is wrong. This outburst was also predicted.

  13. Abd this is were Mr.Hockey’s rant came from.

    LAURA TINGLE Political editor
    The Gillard government is preparing to dump its commitment to a budget surplus if economic growth slips below its long-term average in the current quarter.

    The big shift in budget strategy comes after real gross domestic product – which measures the amount of goods and services the economy produces – grew by just 0.5 per cent in the September quarter, the smallest gain in six quarters and the first clear sign that the economy is slowing below its average growth rate……….

  14. Did not see where Labor said it was abandoning the surplus, not that it would be a bad thing to do.

    The government believes it has potentially more flexibility than the Coalition to frame a credible fiscal position to take to next year’s poll.

    This will require keeping a debate about this financial year’s budget bottom line separate from a debate about how the government will fund its medium-term spending commitments to the national disability insurance scheme and education reform.

    The government believes that if it can demonstrate funding for any new spending measures, it will be in a stronger position than the Coalition, which still has to explain how it will fund multibillion-dollar commitments already made in the last election and since.

    The opposition will be in the position of having to nominate major spending cuts in a slowing economy, government sources say.

    At the Australian Business Economists forecasting conference, market and academic economists called on the government to dump its surplus promise.

    Former Reserve Bank of Australia board member Warwick McKibbin went a step further. He said the federal government should abandon its pledge for a surplus, and take the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to raise more debt at historically low interest rates.

  15. The Mayans are known for their art architecture mathematical and astronomical systems..Tony will/might also leave a legacy but it will contain none of the above.

  16. ……….And no wonder it’s popular.

    In the same way Julia Gillard’s misogyny speech exposed wall-punching sexist Tony Abbott for his sanctimonious finger-pointing about Peter Slipper, so Margo Kingston’s article exposed Tony Abbott for being an utter hypocrite for condemning Julia Gillard over a slush fund, when he had set one up himself several years more recently — and quite possibly committed a crime and subverted our democratic system in the process….

  17. Neil, are you saying, that Mr.Abbott does not have the wit or imagination to make up his own spin,”

    It was the AWU that said Whyalla would be destroyed because of the Carbon tax. I guess Abbott was asked if this was true and he agreed.

    The main point of the Carbon tax is to stop us using fossil fuels and to convert us into using renewable energy.

    If the Carbon tax does not destroy industries that need a lot of energy it is not doing its job. It is the logical conclusion.

    Bob Brown has stated he wants to destroy coal mining which is our second largest export which gives us lots of revenue.

  18. For a thing called a character test one must start with having something called a character..I haven’t noted that Robotoid Abbott possesses one of these.

    I did like First Dog..

  19. Neil, you must agree with me. Tony is incapable of making up his own spin. Plagiarizes what others say. That is indeed sad, No imagination

  20. Neil, where is the one thing that you think Labor should cut from the budget, or do you suffer the same as Tony, unable to come up with an idea of your own, just meaningless slogans and copy and paste from the past.

    The circus has moved on, if you have not noticed. This government still in power and getting stronger, two years later. You along with Mr. Abbott still spruiking the same spiel,.

  21. Neil you have had a long obsession with government debt, mainly Labor debt = very very bad, terrible and the reason they should never rule, whilst Liberal debt = very very good and why they should rule in perpetuity.

    Since you have had such a long running angst against Labor government debt you must know the ins and outs of the economics of it.

    In light of the fact that it’s now been proven that austerity doesn’t work, can you give us the economics of why debt by Australian governments is bad, including the long term consequences of both government deficit spending in infrastructure and services and the opposite in surplus austerity forgoing infrastructure and government services?

  22. So Mr. Hockey is once again wrong in his predictions, Just wishful thinking on his part.

    The PM is still aiming for a surplus.

    Poor Mr, Hockey, the figures on the economy will just not go down far enough for him.

    ‘…………Our last economic update had us at trend growth and that’s why the last economic update had us with a surplus,’ Ms Gillard told ABC radio on Friday.

    ‘We are still determined to deliver the surplus.’

    But shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said figures this week showing the economy expanded by just 0.5 per cent in the September quarter – for a sub-trend annual growth 3.1 per cent – undermines the prime minister’s surplus commitment.

    ‘Ever since the mid-year budget update the prime minister and the treasurer have been crab-walking away from their 2012/13 surplus promise,’ he said in a statement.

    ‘Time and again they have refused to repeat their guarantee to deliver a surplus this financial year.’

    Opposition Leader Tony A…………….

    ………..’Yet another broken promise from a government which is just incompetent and untrustworthy to its core,’ he told reporters in Toowoon Bay, NSW…………

    No, Mr. Hockey, this is not another broken promise. As there are very few if any other broken promises. Only ones that you say occurred. Of course you have to mis-interpret the facts to come to this position. That does not worry you or your mates. It one says it5 often enough, the public will believe.

  23. The Gillard government is committed to a budget surplus no matter what; politically and financially.

    …………Economists in support of the concept say that a surplus is not such a bad thing when unemployment is relatively low; and in any case, fiscal discipline by governments is a good thing at any time.

    But what’s so bad about a deficit?

    What have deficits done through history to earn this awful reputation?

    Like borrowing to build a house, deficit spending can add to the country’s material value. President Ronald Reagan preferred a deficit to raising taxes. President Bill Clinton preferred spending money on welfare to a surplus.

    Likewise in Australia, a well-funded and well-administered National Disabilities Insurance Scheme, proper dental health and a reformed education system will deliver dividends down the track that will more than justify a small deficit – a few billion dollars – in a trillion dollar economy.

    It is when governments run deficits to finance a bloated middle class welfare system that alarm bells should go off.

    The simple rule of thumb is that when the economy needs a stimulus, then running a deficit is one of the best levers to pull.

    But because of the government’s rhetoric in response to relentless attacks from the opposition, the need for a surplus is now an albatross around the neck of the treasurer, Wayne Swan.

    Swan should be judged, at least in part, as the only Labor treasurer never to have taken the country into recession. But instead, he has to reach a different benchmark of his own making.

    The need for a surplus has become an artificial and unhelpful target when other indicators are far more important, like the level of inflation, unemployment, growth and interest rates.

    (By the way, on the latter, when is the last time you heard an opposition MP say ‘interest rates will always be lower under a Coalition Government?’ They don’t say that anymore; now it seems low interest rates are a sign of a weak economy……………….

  24. Poor Mr. Hockey, the bad news just will not emerge. They keep telling us, we are not doing so bad.

    Gee, it is shocking, the figures show the PM is doing as she should.


    ………..Unlike GDP, the wellbeing index takes account of the loss of the minerals dug up and sent overseas, not just the export income earned from doing so. It also takes account of the loss of real income we have suffered from the end of the first stage of the boom: the marked decline in the world prices of coal and iron ore during the three months to the end of September.
    This was the main factor that converted the growth of 0.5 per cent in GDP during the quarter – a measure of the quantity of goods and services produced in the economy – to a fall of 0.7 per cent in our net national disposable income.
    But the accounts confirm that Australian households are continuing to save the high proportion of their disposable incomes. So that is proof we have been saving rather than spending some of our windfall gain from the boom.
    But the broader index shows we have also increased our investment in the education and training of our workforce. So much so that, despite the fall in export prices, the index rose by 0.2 per cent during the quarter.
    We should be using our good fortune to raise the value of workers’ labour and improve their lives in the years ahead – and the wellbeing index shows we are.

    Read more:

  25. TWO starkly different views of Australia’s economy were on display this week.
    One suggested trouble was around the corner. ”Emergency lows” was the catch-cry of market pundits and media outlets on Tuesday after the Reserve Bank cut the cash rate to 3 per cent, a level not seen since the depths of the global financial crisis.
    Clouds over the outlook darkened further after Wednesday’s sluggish economic growth figures sparked fresh criticism of Labor’s plan to return to surplus during a slowdown.

    Global investors, however, appeared to take a different view. For all the excitement about the lower cash rate, international currency markets that determine the dollar’s value pushed it sharply higher after the Reserve’s decision……………..

    Read more:

  26. Yep the heady days have gone. We now save, not spend. That massive private debt has come back to normal. Yep, we are benefiting from Labor days in the 1980’s. Yep, all those actions that Mr. Keating took, in spite of the temporary pain are paying off. Yep, we are back to steady as she goes, while at the same time being out in front of the world.

    Not a bad place for any county economy to be. Can we afford to upset this by voting for the great stuntsman man, who main occupation is demolishing and saying no.

    Of course we still have those who view the world through the spectrum of debt.

    No consideration to what the debt has been spent on.

    No consideration as whether it is money well spent.

    No consideration if we can afford to service the debt.

    No, simply the word “debt” is enough to put the fear of the devil into all.

    What one does about this, I have no idea.

    What does concern me, we do live in a world where most economies are fragile.

    We do need to to take care. We do this by identifying and addressing the correct issues, not the bias of some.

    Simply saying we have to live within our means, and that austerity is the way to go, will make things worst.

    Yes, cutting will make the cake smaller. OK it one wants to lose weight. Not if one wants the country to grow.

    …..There was the permanent shift to lower interest rates that came from the financial system’s deregulation in the 1980s; the subsequent boost to home values; and the huge jump in export prices over the 2000s.
    These all caused wealth to rise rapidly, which funded higher consumption. But they were temporary forces – and certainly not ”normal”.
    ”Twenty years of good economic performance and rising asset prices raised our expectations of what is normal and many in the community are a little disappointed that these higher expectations are not being met fully,” Lowe said.
    ”This is one factor that explains why the public mood has been a bit flat over recent times, despite many observers outside our country viewing the Australian economy with some envy.”
    It is a message Treasurer Wayne Swan is also pushing. He is bluntly telling consumers they will not be seeing the blistering pace of spending growth enjoyed before the financial crisis, when consumption sometimes grew at two or three times its long-term average. ”People were borrowing a lot more, putting more on their credit cards. We’re not going back to that world,” Swan said…………

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  27. In light of the fact that it’s now been proven that austerity doesn’t work, can you give us the economics of why debt by Australian governments is bad,”

    Wow, various govts around the world have trashed their economies by reckless spending and a new govt get in and tries to fix the mess. They try austerity measures and because they do not work in 5 milliseconds, austerity measures are claimed not to work.

    Best not to get into trouble in the first place. i still do not understand the results of the 2007 election. A successful govt was thrown out. The Labor Party and its supporters just told lies about Howard and his govt.

    If you told someone from overseas that a govt was thrown out that had been in power when unemployment had been at 4% when it had been at 8% during the ALP’s previous time in power they would not believe you.

    I remember telling an American friend in 2007 that we had no govt debt and he was amazed but not anymore.

    Our total govt debt is now at 30% of GDP. If the Coalition govts in NSW, QLD, Victoria, WA do not get their debt under control we will be in trouble. It is the reason our dollar is high and is affecting exports.

  28. Neil, as the earlier lady with the red hair, the one that Mr. Abbott pursued to prison, said, please explain.

    Where is the reckless spending.

    Maybe it is reckless tax cuts that are to blame.

  29. Neil, I believe that it is decades of tax cuts to the wealthy that has landed the USA in the bind it now finds itself.

  30. i still do not understand the results of the 2007 election. A successful govt was thrown out.

    The Howard government was the worst government in the history of Federation. Note: Abbott was a ringleader in this government. Let us recall a sample of the ministerial disasters:

    * Minister Jim Short was forced to resign for failing to divest himself of financial interests in his area of ministerial responsibility.

    * Industry minister John Moore was exposed for his shareholdings in technology investment and share-trading companies.

    * Parliamentary secretary Brian Gibson lost his job because of a conflict of interest.

    * Small business minister Geoff Prosser was running three shopping centres while he was a minister and he was forced to resign. [Geoff Prosser resigned in July 1997 following the disclosure that he was a shopping centre landlord while he was responsible for commercial tenancy provisions of the Trade Practices Act 1975.]

    * Resources minister Warwick Parer had massive share interests in a coalmine and in other resource companies; he stayed, in breach of the ministerial code.

    * Acting minister for communications Peter McGauran forgot that he owned 70 poker machines.

    * Employment services minister Mal Brough promoted training courses which were actually Liberal Party fundraisers.

    * Industry minister Ian Macfarlane was involved in a complex scam to rort GST rebates from Liberal Party fundraisers.

    * Aboriginal affairs minister John Herron kept up his practice as a surgeon, in breach of the code.

    Mr Howard himself was found to be in breach of his own code when he failed to resign as a director of the Menzies Research Centre.

    Mr Howard misled the parliament over meetings he had held with ethanol producer Manildra’s boss – massive Liberal Party donor Dick Honan. It was eventually proved that the meetings did occur, and three weeks later the government increased trade penalties against a Brazilian ethanol producer. And there’s more:

    * Parliamentary secretary Warren Entsch’s concrete company won a massive government contract in breach of the code.

    * Peter Reith was appointed as a consultant to defence contractor Tenix immediately after resigning as defence minister.

    * Health minister Michael Wooldridge signed a $5 million building deal for the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners and days later, after resigning as health minister, was employed by the college as a consultant.

    * Senator Coonan, as Minister for Revenue, avoided paying a land tax. She was then exposed and forced to resign as a registered director of an insurance dispute resolution company operating from her own home.

    * Wilson Tuckey, then Minister for Regional Services, Territories and Local Government, heavied a state police minister on behalf of a family member.

    * Parliamentary secretary Bob Woods retired from politics when he was under police investigation for travel rorts.

    * Communication minister Richard Alston’s family trust held Telstra shares.

    * Peter Costello, the Treasurer, appointed Liberal Party megadonor Robert Gerard to the Reserve Bank board despite being told by Mr Gerard that he was involved in a 14-year long tax evasion dispute with the Australian Taxation Office.

    * Three ministers – John Sharp, David Jull and Peter McGauran – were forced to resign as a result of travel rorts involving false claims, mismanagement or cover-ups.

    * Parliamentary secretary Bill Heffernan was forced to resign over fabricated claims against a High Court judge.

    What else have we had over the past 10 years? Ten years of public policy failure. A partial – very partial – list would include:

    * the massive pork-barrelling of the $1 billion Federation Fund program;

    * the scandal over the budget leak about MRI machines;

    * the development of a culture of assumption and denial in DIMIA while Mr Ruddock was minister for immigration, which the Comrie report called failed, catastrophic and dehumanised; the wrongful and scandalous deportation of Australian citizen Vivian Alvarez Solon;

    * the wrongful and scandalous detention of Cornelia Rau at Baxter detention centre;

    * the utter incompetence of veterans’ affairs minister Dana Vale over roadworks at Anzac Cove;

    * the rorting of the $500 million Regional Partnerships program, with massively disproportionate grants being allocated to coalition seats – not to mention the Tumbi Creek and Beaudesert Rail scandals under the same program; and

    * support for the training of scab labour in Dubai to work on the waterfront and the use of dogs and security guards in balaclavas during the waterfront dispute as waterside workers were sacked under the cover of darkness with the loss of all entitlements and, in some cases, personal possessions.

    Of course, the Prime Minister introduced the GST after promising he never, ever would.

    * The Howard government have sponsored many attacks on the independence of the judiciary and the courts, including repeated slurs by Senator Heffernan in this chamber and in Senate estimates.

    * They scrapped the free Commonwealth dental health scheme for low-income people.

    * They put back the cause of reconciliation irrevocably by refusing to say sorry to the stolen generations.

    * They blurred the line between church and state by the disastrous appointment of Archbishop Hollingworth as Governor-General of Australia.

    Within days of coming to office, the Howard government sacked six departmental secretaries and have since politicised the public service so that officials will never offer frank and fearless advice. In fact, the government have encouraged a culture where advice of any kind from a public servant is not welcome.

    * They have increased government staffing of ministers and parliamentary secretaries from 293 when they came to office to 430 now, many paid above the salary range.

    * They cynically manipulated public sentiment about asylum seekers for political advantage.

    * They refused to sign the Kyoto protocol to deal with our greatest global environmental challenge – climate change.

    * They sponsored attacks from the former communications minister Richard Alston and from government backbenchers over alleged ABC bias while making partisan appointments to the ABC board.

    * They introduced draconian industrial legislation to strip away the hard-won rights of Australian workers.

    * They introduced the flawed Pacific solution, which has seen detention centres on Nauru and Manus Island remain open without any detainees.

    * They have allowed an Australian citizen, David Hicks, to be held overseas without charge or trial for more than four years and left him to face a highly flawed tribunal process without making any efforts to ensure he will have a fair trial.

    Then there was the dithering over preferences to One Nation, giving succour, as a result, to Pauline Hanson and tacit approval of her racist views.

    * There was the billion dollar bungling of major defence upgrade and acquisition projects. There was the massive blow-out of $2 billion in the Commonwealth’s consultancies bill.

    * There was the complete fiasco of the family tax benefit debt trap, which has slugged millions of Australian families with over $1.5 billion in debts.

    * There is the fiasco of child-care shortages and the broken promise of the government on the child-care rebate.

    * We have had the Minister for Health and Ageing, Tony Abbott, presiding over private health insurance premium hikes, which have totally absorbed the government rebate.

    * We have had the plunge in bulk-billing rates and the breaking of the health minister’s promise not to increase the Medicare safety net threshold.

    We really have seen 10 years of sleaze, deception and manipulation. We would be here all night if I had time to list every sorry exploit of the Howard government, but I do not. A mere sample includes:

    * National Textiles, the company headed by the Prime Minister’s brother, Stan Howard, which was bailed out by the government to the tune of $4 million;

    * the infamous Peter Reith telecard affair; and

    * the lies and deceit of ‘children overboard’

    Then this nation was committed to war in Iraq on the basis of faulty intelligence about weapons of mass destruction while the government claimed that they were not aiming for regime change in Iraq.

    But when the government’s claims about weapons of mass destruction proved false, of course regime change became the justification for the war in Iraq. Never before has an Australian government sent our troops to war and lied to the Australian people about the reason for doing so.

    We had Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty heavied for doing no more than stating the obvious about the increased terrorist threat in Australia after our involvement in Iraq.

    * We have had public servants and senior defence officers forced to take the blame over the government’s denials about their knowledge of the abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison.

    * We have had an unprecedented amount of public money splurged in advertising campaigns – as the Auditor-General has reported – to promote Liberal Party policies in the lead-up to the last three federal elections when the Howard government was in office.

    * We have even had the government write the name of the Federal Liberal Party into electoral legislation on 33 occasions to strip the Liberal state divisions of public funding. They even now use the parliament for their own dirty factional work.

    Despite the farcical denials that we have heard about Senator Hill’s appointment, he is about to become the 18th former Liberal Party politician to be appointed by the Howard government to a plum diplomatic post.

    Mr Howard perverted the accepted definition of an election promise. He broke promises willy-nilly but just redefined those broken promises as ‘non-core’ promises.

    What about the Nixonian leaking of a classified document to Andrew Bolt in order to politically assassinate its author, Andrew Wilkie, while not vetoing the leaker from contesting a Liberal Party preselection ballot?

    We also had a situation where Mr Howard’s government engineered the sleaziest of deals with a former Labor senator, Mal Colston, to promote Colston to the deputy presidency of the Senate in return for Colston’s vote on crucial legislation. How low can you go? Just recently, we had the unprecedented gagging of public servants before estimates committees.

    Kickbacks to Saddam

    Mr Howard himself, his senior minister, and his entire government have turned a blind eye to kickbacks paid to Saddam Hussein’s regime to ensure wheat sales. At the same time, we had Mr Howard self-righteously proclaiming that Saddam Hussein is a ‘loathsome dictator’. They turned a blind eye to our single-desk wheat exporter, who practically became the banker of the Baath Party in Iraq. Who knows where that money ended up? Who knows what it paid for?

    What we do know is that, under the government’s own terrorist legislation, if someone acts recklessly and funds turn up in the hands of terrorists, the guilty party is subject to life imprisonment. You go to jail and they throw away the keys if you recklessly engage in an action under our terrorism laws where financial resources end up in the hands of a terrorist. Let us see what happens in relation to the Howard government, which has acted as Saddam Hussein’s banker.

    Of course, all these sins mean nothing to the Howard government. After all, how can they repent what they cannot recall? This government, and its hand-picked sycophants, suffers from the worst case of collective amnesia in medical and political history.

    What are the bywords of the Howard government? ‘I cannot recall,’ ‘I don’t recollect,’ ‘I wasn’t informed,’ ‘I can’t remember,’ ‘I have no recollection of that.’

    Best of all, we had Trevor Flugge of AWB fame claiming, as his defence, that he is hard of hearing. It seems to me the whole of this government is hard of hearing. They are certainly deaf to the cries of conscience.

    NOTE: This is an edited excerpt of a parliamentary speech by Senator John Faulkner, 22 March 2006.

  31. Budgets are made up of two components. Income and outlays.

    Why do some only focus of on the outlays.

    Why do they not identify the so called waste.

    Many that Neil mentions, if eliminated from the budget, would make little difference to the bottom line.

    Much is only peripheral spending, very small percentages of outlays.

  32. …………..How would our politicians react if the ancient Mayan calendar was suddenly found to be correct in predicting that the world will end on December 21 this year?We know what ordinary, sensible people would do. I saw a quote on the internet.

    “If the world were coming to an end tomorrow, I’d probably call in sick to work.”

    It’s not likely, though, that politicians would be so laid back. I suspect Gillard would deliver a quite different speech if faced with the real thing. She’d be strongly tempted to promise: “There will be no apocalypse under a government I lead.”

    At the very least the impending catastrophe would be blamed on Tony Abbott’s relentless negativity. Abbott would, of course, blame the carbon tax for the end of the world. He would be able to gloat: “I always said this government would never produce a budget surplus.”

    And he would point out that the world never ended when the Howard Government was in office. A somber Wayne Swan would appear on the evening news expressing grave concern about the impact on the retail sector of the world ending four days before Christmas.

    “That’s normally their busiest period,” the Treasurer would say. But, he would tell us, as he does ad nauseum, even though the Australian economy is strong it cannot remain immune from global events.

    Spooked by focus group research, MPs from Labor’s NSW Right would storm Gillard’s office to warn that the end of the world is unpopular in Lindsay and other crucial seats in Sydney’s west and south-west.

    Immigration minister Chris Bowen, though, would pacify them by pointing out that at least there would be no more asylum seeker boats.

    Kevin Rudd would launch a leadership challenge on the grounds that, if a deity was about to bring the world to an end, only another deity would stand any chance of stopping it.

    Opposition education spokesman Christopher Pyne, would rush out for a haircut, wanting to look his best on the big day.

    Deputy Opposition leader Julie Bishop would deny personally plagiarising the lines:

    This is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper.

    But she would be unable to rule out her staff having lifted them from a T.S.Eliot poem.

    Shadowy figures associated with the NSW Labor Party would be secretly buying up property, safe in the knowledge that they’d never have to pay for any of it. In Victoria, on learning that the world would cease to exist on December 21, Premier Ted Baillieu would decide to wait until the 22nd before taking any action.

    Tasmanian Independent Andrew Wilkie would attack Gillard for breaking her promise that Parliament would run for a full three-year term, and threaten to withdraw support from the minority government.

    Results of the Newspoll asking “Which leader do you think is best able to deal with Armaggedon?” would be interesting. Abbott’s experience as a volunteer firefighter might give him an edge.

  33. the rorting of the $500 million Regional Partnerships program, with massively disproportionate grants being allocated to coalition seats”

    This is BS. The Coalition got 70% of the grants because they had 70% of the seats.

    John Faulkner is a LIAR.

    I notice Howard was also accused of Pork Barrelling because he started upgrading the Pacific Highway. The Pacific Highway from Sydney to Brisbane goes through National Party seats. How the hell can you upgrade a major highway in this country without it going through National Party seats?? Because the upgrading happened in national party electorates Labor accused Howard of Pork Barrelling.

    The Howard/Costello govt was one of this countries better govts who evil labor Party supporters told lies about.

  34. Neil and,

    How the hell can you upgrade a major highway in this country without it going through National Party seats??

    Umm, by upgrading the Pacific Highway through Labor territory such as Byron Bay to Tweed Heads…

  35. How the hell can you upgrade a major highway…

    And by actually spending the money you promised at every election 🙄

  36. Neil, the problem was not the seats they went to. The problem was the quality of most of the grants, Some to bankrupt identities, Some that did not exist. Most that did not have community support.

    When one attempts at distributing money on “need”, one would expect to see more Labor seats in the mix. Yes, that is where the greatest need is to be found,.

    That is where one finds low income earners.

    It was purely a pork barrelling fund set up for the benefit of the National party cousins.

    Tell us of one worthwhile project that come out of this fund.

  37. The Pacific Highway is not the number one. That belongs to the New England, because the National party insisted on being.

    Yes, the Highway is not the responsibility of the Federal government. It is the states responsibility.

    Maye the Nationals want to switch this decision.

  38. And by actually spending the money you promised at every election

    I suspect the money was spent. It was called Pork Barrelling because the bulk of the money was spent in National Party seats. The reason the bulk of the money was spent in national party seats was because most of the Pacific Highway went through National Party seats.

    Any Pacific Highway upgrade will benefit Sydney and Brisbane so it beats me why Labor called upgrading the Pacific Highway Pork Barrelling.

    Labor called anything the Coalition did Pork Barrelling

  39. Neil, do not wonder. Read some of the links. Nothing about being spent in National party seats. All about bordering on corruption.

  40. Min, the Highway goes past my street. Can hear the traffic and the police sirens. Definitely not a National; Party seat. Never likely to be.

  41. What has the Regional Partnerships program, got to do with the funding of highways. How much is spent on the New England by the Federal government?

    Would not that truck drive be more aimed at undermining the Independents. Little to do with concern about the highway.

    Would be surprised if the voters in their electorate would be so easily taken in.

    The drive finished in two electorates that Mr. Abbott needs to win. Two that held against the swing last time about.

    Also Liberals from head office are not welcome4 here by local Liberals.

    Do not appreciate head office interference. So bad is the relationship, that police have been called, and the matter ending up in court.

    Might even look at the next local paper before I throw it in the bin.

  42. Wonder who paid for the upgrade? If it was the Fire Brigade, who did he elbow out of the way to get the chance.

    Previously I was mistaken to say, that trucks this size would not be used for fire fighting. It appears they are. I apologize for raising misinformation.

    ……He has told the ABC he has had a truck licence for more than a decade as part of his work with the local rural fire brigade.

    “Last year I upgraded to a heavy combination, partly because that would help me to drive the bulk water carrier at the local fire brigade but also partly because I thought that it would be useful to be able to highlight the parlous state of our roads,” he said.

    “If this Government gets re-elected, the carbon tax will go on heavy transport. So, I guess it’s politically helpful and also socially useful.”.

  43. ……………Empty stunt’
    But Infrastructure and Transport Minister Anthony Albanese has dismissed the drive as an “empty publicity stunt”.

    “Having abandoned the 2016 commitment first made by the Howard government, the Federal Coalition now don’t have a date for completion,” he said in a statement.

    “They also have no idea where the extra funds for duplication will come from that will be a result of delay into the next decade.”

    Mr Albanese says the Federal Government’s commitment to fix the highway is “unwavering”.

    “Right now, more than 1,700 workers are onsite upgrading 73 kilometres of this road,” he said.

    “Compared to the former Howard government’s record of just $1.3 billion over 12 years, Federal Labor has already invested $4.1 billion in the highway and set aside our share of the funding required to complete its full duplication.”

    Mr Abbott is due in Coffs Harbour this afternoon….

  44. Early in his stewardship Howard promised $4 billion over 5 years on the highway and in what was a normal trick of his he only ever spent a fraction of that whilst claiming the full $4 billion in spin.

    It was an FOI request into finding out exactly how much Howard had spent of that $4 billion that led to Costello going to court to deny it.

  45. Seems Abbott is being investigated over his slush fund and evidence clearly shows he lied.

    Methinks his stunt against Gillard may backfire big time as he really does have something to answer for and it’s enough to cost him his leadership and maybe his job as a politician.

  46. Media reporting on Abbott slush fund as heat gets turned up.

    26 August 2003 he admitted to Kerry O’Brien on ABC 7.30 Report he did organise the slush funding. Now it’s turned to a desperate bid by the Liberal Party to fob off revelations today that one of John Howard’s most senior Ministers, Tony Abbott, had set up a $100,000 slush fund to ruin Pauline Hanson…

    “Mr Abbott last night acknowledged to the ‘Sydney Morning Herald’ newspaper he’d raised almost $100,000 in an attempt to fund actions against One Nation.

    It clearly suggests Mr Abbott did not tell the truth in the affair at the time, and has provoked government fears of a backlash from voters responding angrily to Pauline Hanson’s jailing”.

    REPORTER: What’s your reaction to the news Mr Abbott helped fund the trust fund behind the demise of One Nation? — PETER COSTELLO: Excuse me.

    REPORTER: Mr Downer, any comment on Mr Abbott’s involvement? – – – ALEXANDER DOWNER: I know nothing about it.

    Hahaha, that was Downer’s answer to everything. Apart from Sgt Howard-Schultz I don’t think there has been a politician in Australian history who knew as little as Downer.

  47. Neil, do not wonder. Read some of the links. Nothing about being spent in National party seats. All about bordering on corruption.

    Yes and from what I have read the link are not true. This is from page 24 of the ANOA report into the REgional Partnerships

    “40. It is also noteworthy that there is little difference in the overall rate at
    which applications submitted by applicants in electorates held by the various
    parties were approved for funding over the full three years examined to
    30 June 2006, with overall party success rates ranging from 69 per cent to
    72per cent. 26 However, ANAO analysis revealed that Ministers were more
    likely to approve funding for ‘not recommended’ projects that had been
    submitted by applicants in electorates held by the Liberal and National parties
    and more likely to not approve funding for ‘recommended’ projects that had
    been submitted by applicants in electorates held by the Labor party.

    Get that?? Success rates for grant applications were from 69 to 72 per cent. It did not matter if you lived in a Labor seat or a Coalition seat the success rate was the same. There was very little corruption. John Faulkner is a LIAR. Makes sense. He is an elder statesman of the ALP. However the Coalition got more funds because they had more seats.

    What the media focused on was the second part of the paragraph i posted. The Coalition Minister overturned 3% of the grants most of which were in Coalition favor. 97% of the grants followed Public Service advice. This 3% of overturned grants got transferred somehow into saying there was massive rorting.

    So when John Faulkner said this it was a pack of lies

    the rorting of the $500 million Regional Partnerships program, with massively disproportionate grants being allocated to coalition seats


  48. Tony Abbott is a proven liar and he lied to the AEC, an investigation will more than likely show he lied to parliament as well. An investigation that would see Abbott stand down.

  49. And Gillard lied to Wilkie to win govt.

    That is why I say facts are irrelevant to Labor supporters.

    If John Howard had verbally agreed, shaken hands and signed a written document promising to do something if he got Wilkies support to form govt and then reneged you would never hear the end of it.

    There are lies and there are lies but the one Gillard told Wilkie to win govt was a whopper.

    But is does not bother ALP supporters.

  50. But that’s the lie that can bring him undone.

    Of course Abbott is an insignificant liar compared to Howard, who will go down in history as telling the greatest lies to involve this country in an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation to appease a friend who was the leader of the most powerful country in the world. Lies that cost the lives of Australian troops, large numbers of citizens and untold suffering for millions that goes on to this day.

    I’m glad to see that there are calls for an investigation into Australia’s role in the invasion of Iraq for unlike the US and UK there has been no investigations into the actions of the Howard government at the time.

  51. And Gillard lied to Wilkie to win govt.

    Howard lied to the electorate in 2001 about ‘children overboard’ to win government.

    Howard lied to the electorate in 2004 about interest rates to win government.

    What (new) lie/s will Abbott tell in 2013 in an attempt to win government?

  52. Abbott lied in 2010 to the Indies in an attempt to win government.
    Abbott lied in 2010 to two of his own members in an attempt to win government.
    Abbott lied about policy in 2010 in an attempt to win government, policies he’s since back flipped on saying circumstances change.

    So according to Neil circumstances always change for the Liberals but never ever change for Labor.

  53. Howard lied about never ever with the GST, and it was a lie cos he was committed to it as a policy direction and knew that he would reintroduce it at the next election, when he made the statement. Not a backflip, he didn’t change his mind, it was a blatant LIE.

  54. Howard lied to the electorate in 2001 about ‘children overboard’ to win government.”

    Oh so that makes Gillard lie O.K. Right??

    And Howard was told by Grafton on 7 Nov that the Children overboard claims may not be true. That is only 3 days before the election on Nov 10 2001. I doubt if Howard even regarded it as an election issue. It is only an election issue with Labor supporters because you have nothing on Howard so you try to invent something.

    If I was told 3 days before an election that some trivial issue may or may not be true i would not even bother mentioning it to the electorate.

    Lies that cost the lives of Australian troops

    Actually I don’t think any Australian troops died in the Iraq war. A couple died after the war ended due to accidents. All our deaths are happening in Afghanistan.

  55. LOL Neil. Gillard did *not* lie to Wilkie, so please spare us your BS. Everything Gillard promised to Wilkie is happening-money to upgrade the hospital in his electorate, a bill dealing with pokies reform (in *spite* of Abbott & Co saying “no” to it). Yes the bill wasn’t exactly what Wilkie wanted, but it was the only way to get the 2 rural Independents on board (that’s not called “lying”, that’s called negotiation-something your Lord & Master, Abbott, knows nothing about), & the code of conduct for Parliament is in the works as we speak. So, instead of claiming “Gillard lied to Wilkie”, without any evidence, why don’t you “put up or shut up” Neil?

  56. The Liberals admired Howard so much for his dishonesty they honoured him with the title, The Lying Rodent. The highest recognition RWers could give! 😀

  57. Oh so Children Overboard was a Labor invention was it?

    It never ceases to amaze me the lengths you go to to excuse the failures of the Liberals and blame Labor.

  58. Neil, you’ve still provided no evidence that Gillard *actually* lied. Repeating a claim multiple times doesn’t make it true. Your claims about Howard’s lies regarding “Children Overboard” are typical of the Lunar Right who will deny the facts to defend their beloved heroes. The reality is that he knew FULL WELL that it was a major election issue, which is why he repeated the lie first told by Reith. He also made the ridiculous claim that boat arrivals could be terrorist sleepers, in spite of all the evidence pointing towards the exact opposite. This is what is called “dog whistling”, something you & your fellow Right Wing mates are awfully good at.

  59. No direct deaths through hostile actions but two troop deaths that would not have occurred if Howard had not approved our involvement in the illegal invasion of Iraq.

    It could also be argued that the Afghanistan deaths have been exacerbated by Howard pulling troops out of that action and going to Iraq instead of finishing the job in Afghanistan in the first instance. When Howard did that New Zealand had more troops in Afghanistan than Australia.

    Still doesn’t abrogate the fact Howard and his government told lies to be involved in the illegal invasion of Iraq.

  60. Yes the bill wasn’t exactly what Wilkie wanted

    Gillard knew when she made the promise to Wilkie that it was undeliverable. Her own Party would not have supported it.

    It was a lie to win govt.

    I find it amazing how easily you forgive Labor Party lies.

    Oh so Children Overboard was a Labor invention was it?”

    Howard was told 3 days before the 2001 election that the original claims may not be true. I cannot work out what the fuss is over this Children Overboard thing. It does not even rate with me. I doubt Howard thought it was even an issue. What does it matter?? They sunk the boat putting children in danger. What is the difference between sinking the boat and throwing people overboard??

  61. Lets not forget that it was Howard himself who created the whole “Core vs Non-Core Promise”, as a means of covering up for all his lies. He also lied about making changes to Industrial Relations laws in 2004, just as he lied about the Medicare Safety Net. He lied about his plans to allow Universities to charge full fees (i.e. 6 figure fees) back around 2002-2003. He lied about what he knew in relation to the AWB bribery scandal. He lied about Manildra. Indeed, I’m having trouble finding many examples of when he told the truth. I also find it very suspicious how quickly he was willing to pay out the workers entitlements-in full-at his brother’s textile mill, thus eliminating the need for a judicial enquiry into the way his brother ran the company. Sounds to me like the PM might have misused his position for the benefit of his family!

  62. Doctoring photos for political gain so as to demonise a people who where in fact fighting for their lives doesn’t matter to you.

    Now your true colours are revealed and they’re not pretty.

  63. “Gillard knew when she made the promise to Wilkie that it was undeliverable. Her own Party would not have supported it.”

    Another lie there from Neil of Sydney. Actually Labor *did* support Wilkie’s bill, it was Windsor & Oakeshotte who opposed it-because they wanted a longer trial of Mandatory Pre-commitment technology-as recommended by the Productivity Commission. Of course, Wilkie knows full well that Gillard did her level best to get Wilkie’s original bill up (indeed, she worked harder than Wilkie himself did, if the 2 Independents are to be believed), as he also knows that the bill that will be going forward is much, much more than he would have gotten from an Abbott-led government. Still, never let *facts* get in the way of a good little propaganda campaign, right Neil, you pathetic Fiberal Troll?

  64. It could also be argued that the Afghanistan deaths have been exacerbated by Howard pulling troops out of that action and going to Iraq instead of finishing the job in Afghanistan in the first instance

    Actually for some strange reason most of our deaths in Afghanistan have happened since Labor took power.

    Our first 4 deaths happened when Howard was in power. Deaths 5-39 have occurred since Labor took office.

    Doctoring photos for political gain so as to demonise a people who where in fact fighting for their lives doesn’t matter to you.

    Any evidence for this??

  65. So, I wonder if Neil feels that Abbott might have lied to Wilkie when he promised him $1 billion for a single hospital? After all, he lied about the integrity of his budget figures, so what not that as well?

  66. “Deaths 5-39 have occurred since Labor took office” Yep, about the same time that *all* Coalition forces started seeing a rise in casualties. Your point being? Oh, sorry, you’re Neil of Sydney-you don’t have a point, except to be an idiotic Fiberal Party troll!

  67. The photos were deliberately cropped Neil, that was revealed at the time and one of Howard’s staffers was blamed, a staffer that went on to be promoted.

    Are you really that thick or are you being deliberately obtuse as to attempt to blame the troop deaths on Labor now. You missed the point entirely, and if your history is any indication probably deliberately.

    You will always excuse the Liberals of anything, going to great lengths of obfuscation and misdirection to do so and go to the same great lengths to blame Labor.

  68. The Liberals lied when they ‘promised’ “record low interest rates”. They had it on TV ads and everything. Following the ‘promise’ were 10 interest rate rises in a row, with interest rates among the highest in the OECD. It was a lie to win government.

  69. Also, isn’t whether or not Gillard lied to WIlkie a matter for Wilkie? If he really felt lied to, I’m sure he would have simply gone & sat on the cross-benches. You know, like several of Newman’s MP’s have decided to do ;-).

  70. Oh come on, Neil. We’re not idiots here.

    He’s got his URLs mixed up. He thinks he’s at a right wing blog where lies and spin go down a treat.

  71. You know what was really bad about the Children Overboard saga, and that was deliberately using our troops, in this case the Navy and AFP, for political purposes to go along with the deception purely to win an election and nothing to do with protecting this country.

  72. An angry Howard government, forced in the end to accept HMAS Adelaide taking the disabled and sinking SIEV 4 into tow back towards Christmas Island, ordered that the 223 people including 116 women and children be kept on board their unseaworthy vessel during a 24 hour tow. This criminally irresponsible order contradicted every safety of life at sea principle our naval officers ever learned, but such was the power of politics over navy ethics that the order was carried out without question. As Commander Banks testified, a primary mission aim at this stage was to keep the people on their boat – to take them off before their boat sank would have been mission failure. (Certain Maritime Incident inquiry Hansard pages 180-2, 186-7).

    The boat finally foundered on 8 October with only an hours warning. In a dangerous emergency rescue from the sea, it is a miracle that nobody drowned. The most important dimension of the “Certain Maritime Incident”, just as important as the cynical falsification of rescue photographs – has been curiously ignored by almost every commentator. For 24 hours, the Operation Relex command were so contemptuous of their responsibility for the lives of these people that Banks was required to keep them on board a wrecked and unseaworthy vessel, instead of prudently moving them to the Adelaide. The lack of concern for human life is significant, in the light of what happened with SIEV-X twelve days later.

    Senators were unable to question the NORCOM command on its crucial decisions not to order a SOLAS-oriented air surveillance for SIEV-X on 19 or 20 October. Authors of the documents sent in by Senator Hill on 4 July have not been examined in public hearings of the Committee. Initially promised testimony by Admiral Raydon Gates, who had reviewed all the intelligence and has now replaced Admiral Smith as Chief of Navy, was blocked by Senator Hill despite repeated Committee requests for him to appear.

  73. Wednesday, March 6, 2002 – 11:00

    On October 7, a fishing boat overloaded with desperate asylum seekers encountered the HMAS Adelaide north of Christmas Island. The warship fired warning shots to stop the boat from moving into Australian waters. Frightened by the shots, some people jumped into the water. Asylum seekers held children in the air to alert the navy that there were children on board. One parent held a child over the side of the boat so it could defecate. A confused navy communication about threats to throw a child overboard was sent to immigration minister Philip Ruddock. Based on this, Ruddock declared that children had been thrown overboard. This is what ensued:

    October 8 — At 9am, a navy report on the incident, which does not mention children being thrown overboard, is circulated to Prime Minister John Howard, defence minister Peter Reith, immigration minister Philip Ruddock and other ministers. Later in the day, Howard condemned the “sickening behaviour” by asylum seekers of throwing children overboard.

    The boat sank. Ruddock accused asylum seekers of destroying it deliberately. No evidence was produced to substantiate this allegation. A rescue operation by the HMAS Adelaide was photographed.

    October 9 — The photographs of the sinking ship and frightened refugees in the water are emailed to Reith’s senior staff.

    October 10 — The prime minister’s department was advised that there was no evidence that children were thrown overboard. HMAS Adelaide’s Commander Banks reported to his superiors that no children had been thrown into the water. Banks also took statutory declarations from his crew to that effect.

    Reith released two close-up pictures taken on October 8 of children in the water, but do not show the sinking ship. He told the media that they were taken on October 7 are of children who had been thrown overboard.

    October 11 — Reith and his advisers were warned by the increasingly nervous military brass that the pictures did not show children who had been thrown overboard. Reith then told the media that there was also a video of the incident, and repeats the claim that children were thrown overboard.

    October 31 — Reith was told by Brigadier Silverstone that the video does not indicate that children were thrown in the water. Reith replied, “Well, we’d better not see the video”.

    November 7 — Acting defence force head Angus Houston told Reith that there is no evidence at all that children were thrown into the sea.

    People smuggling task force head Jane Halton was told that the photographs have been misrepresented and she called Howard’s chief adviser Miles Jordana. Jordana told Halton that he knew.

    Jordana discovered that the Office of National Assessments report, which told Howard he was right about children being thrown overboard, was based on media reports of government statements and reported this to Howard.

    Howard and Reith conferred on the phone, and both later claimed that Reith did not tell Howard that the allegations of children being thrown overboard were false.

    November 8 — Howard addressed the National Press Club and yet again claimed that children had been thrown into the water. He cited the discredited ONA report as evidence. By this stage his key advisors, Reith and his office staff all knew that he was presenting false information.

    Election propaganda, depicting Howard with fists clenched and the slogan, “We decide who comes to this country”, was distributed to all voters in marginal seats. Full-page newspaper ads with the same image and words were published in all major newspapers.

    November 10 — The Coalition parties won the federal election with an increased majority.

  74. Also, isn’t whether or not Gillard lied to WIlkie a matter for Wilkie?”

    If Gillard told a bald face lie to win govt it is a matter for all of us. It shows she is not fit to be PM.

    She knew she could not deliver on the promise she made to Wilkie.

    “So, I wonder if Neil feels that Abbott might have lied to Wilkie when he promised him $1 billion for a single hospital?

    Actually for Abbott to have lied he would have had to win govt and then renege on the deal like Gillard did to Wilkie. Since Abbott did not win govt no lie was told.

    for political purposes to go along with the deception purely to win an election and nothing to do with protecting this country.

    Is this true?? AS far as I am aware up to three days before the 2001 election Howard just said what people had told him. Grafton only told him 3 days before the election that the original claims may not be true.

    What I find really amazing is that you think this had anything to do with the election win. Children Overboard had nothing to do with the 2001 election win. You keep bringing it up as an important issue for some reason.

  75. Conclusion.

    The Liberal Party is the greatest bunch of liars ever.

    They lie about the reasons to go to war and they lie about what’s happening to people in peril all for political gain and power. That is more important to them than people, the good of the nation, morals, their Christian beliefs, social well being and integrity.

    That’s the truth.

  76. So Abbott is unfit for government. Thanks for confirming that Neil.

    Watch as Neil now throws in a lot of straw men and look over there at Gillard, not Howard and Abbott. It’s always been SOP with him.

  77. You get slapped in the face with the evidence and timeline of events, all stuff that is on the record, and you still refuse to accept it in your extreme manoeuvres to make excuses for the Liberals many failures and malfeasances.

  78. “Watch as Neil now throws in a lot of straw men

    Well I bring up Gillards bald face lie to Wilkie to win govt and somehow we end up with Children Overboard.

    That is why i say facts do not matter to ALP supporters. Gillard lied to win govt and it does not faze you.

    Also you tell me things and I am expected to believe them. I have been told so many lies by ALP supporters that i no longer believe anything ALP supporters say.

    You know like Howard introduced you only have to work one hour/week and you are considered employed.

    I do not know if the Iraq war was illegal. I am not a lawyer. Just because you say so does not make it true.

  79. At least you don’t disappoint Neil, predicable to a tee.

    Read up on the UK enquiries into the Iraq war. It is not me just saying so, it’s the UK military and justice system saying it was illegal.

    I also believe that a US enquiry found it illegal.

    Does not alter the fact the Howard government, and the others, lied to go to war.

    Howard lied about Children Overboard and did so in front of a National Press club after being told it was a lie. He lied before that as well, so publicly telling what he absolutely knew to be a lie, and a big one at that, twice.

    Howard was a known prevaricator, even by those of his own party and those who worked with him, but he took that lying and deception to a very high level indeed.

  80. Mike Scrafton, an adviser to then-defence minister Peter Reith, has written a letter to The Australian newspaper saying he had three telephone conversations with Howard on November 7, 2001.

    Mr Scrafton says he told the Prime Minister that a tape of the incident “certainly didn’t support the proposition that the event had occurred”.

    He says he told Howard “that no-one in defence that I had dealt with on the matter still believed any children were thrown overboard”.

    The adviser says he also told the PM that photographs released during the debate were not of children thrown into the water.

    “I spoke to him again telling him that we didn’t believe the event actually happened,” Mr Scrafton said. The day after Mr Scrafton says he briefed Howard the Prime Minister continued to say it did happen.

    The Prime Minister went on to repeat that children were thrown overboard at the National Press Club.

  81. Howard lied about Children Overboard and did so in front of a National Press club after being told it was a lie

    What has this got to do with the fact that Gillard told a bald face lie to Andrew Wilkie to win govt??

    Gillard shook hands, verbally agreed and signed a document and still reneged on the deal.

    Oh I get it. ALP lies are O.K.

  82. You keep repeating that claim Neil – you saying it doesn’t make it any more true than Bolt saying it 🙄

    As Marcus pointed out to you earlier:

    Actually Labor *did* support Wilkie’s bill, it was Windsor & Oakeshotte who opposed it-because they wanted a longer trial of Mandatory Pre-commitment technology-as recommended by the Productivity Commission. Of course, Wilkie knows full well that Gillard did her level best to get Wilkie’s original bill up (indeed, she worked harder than Wilkie himself did, if the 2 Independents are to be believed), as he also knows that the bill that will be going forward is much, much more than he would have gotten from an Abbott-led government.

  83. We’ve been over this before Neil:

    Lie – a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

    When Ms Gillard made the deal with Mr Wilkie, she fully intended to implement every bit of that agreement. Circumstances didn’t allow her to do so, despite working very hard to achieve Mr Wilkie’s desired outcome. ergo – NOT a lie by definition…

  84. It’s an old an tiring game Bacchus. Same ol’ same ol’. Never changes an iota even when slapped in the face with the evidence.

    Notice how I predicted he would go back to Gillard and divert away from Howard’s lies when the evidence was produced, and there he is putting it all back on Gillard, even when it’s shown he didn’t lie about the Carbon Price nor about Wilkie, or the fact that apparently Abbott is allowed to change his stance (lie) because he says “circumstance change”, but Gillard for exactly the same reason is a liar that should be thrown out of office.

    The sheer hypocrisy is breathtaking.

  85. As you say ME, nothing’s changed in Neil’s mind in the five or six years he’s been commenting on the blogs – by definition, a conservative – hates change with a pathological passion 😉

  86. Inquiry damns Reith’s ‘deliberate distortion’

    Sydney Morning Herald, 24 October 2002

    The former defence minister, Peter Reith, deliberately misled the public during last year’s federal election campaign, a Senate inquiry into the “children overboard” affair has found.

    The majority report also found the Government failed to correct the public record before the November 10 election – despite repeated navy and Defence Department advice to the Prime Minister, John Howard, Mr Reith and their offices that initial reports of asylum seekers throwing children overboard were false.

    The findings, released last night, were fiercely denounced by Government Senators involved in the inquiry, who said they were unsupported by evidence.

    Mr Reith also issued a strong defence of his actions, which first came to the public’s attention on October 7.

    It was then that the Immigration Minister, Philip Ruddock, told the media that people on board the vessel, known as SIEV 4, had thrown their children into the sea – claims to which Mr Howard referred repeatedly in the days following.

    Three days later, Mr Reith released photographs purporting to support the claims, but the pictures of children in the water were later revealed to have been taken when the vessel sank on October 8.

  87. Oh dear, Neil of Sydney, you really are quite pathetic. Constantly claiming that Gillard “told a bald faced lie to win government” won’t suddenly make it true. You’ve yet to provide a shred of evidence that this was in fact the case, whereas we’ve provided mountains of evidence about the lies told by Howard & his Ministers, & by Abbott more recently. Abbott told some real whoppers when he was trying to win office-like his claim that his election promises has been properly costed, & his promise to support such measures as an independent speaker & pairing-both of which he reneged on once he realised the Independents weren’t going to back him. Yet by your own definition, deliberate lying for political purposes shows poor character &-therefore-makes a person unfit to be Prime Minister. So, by your own standards, Howard should never have been Prime Minister beyond 2001, & Abbott should *never* be allowed to be Prime Minister. After all, we know he also lied to the Press & to the AEC regarding the Slush Fund he set up to bring down One Nation, & he’s been telling some whoppers in regards to the price on Carbon. Yet funny how this rampant dishonesty has never stopped moronic Fiberal Trolls like yourself from blindly voting for the likes of Howard & Abbott. I’d call that rampant hypocrisy, another common element of the Lunar Right.

  88. Abbott has not been roaming the country side with fruit in the back of the truck…it is Mayannaise!

    So who’s got the spuds for the potato salad?

    I doubt if Howard even regarded it as an election issue.

    Now you really are being Lieberal with the truth, Neil. Howard was a lay down misere to lose that election until the Tampa steamed over the horizon. He saw his most chance and played the race card to stay in power.

    The Navy advised him the very same day that the asylum seekers DID NOT throw their children overboard with evil intent, yet he still broadcast the lie far and wide.

    Have you conveniently forgotten him squawking from every available rooftop, “We’ll decide who comes here and the manner in which they come!” ?

    And the lies and smear he and that toerag Phonecard spruiked to instil the fear of God into the gullible so they’d vote for him?

    Didn’t regard it as an election issue? You’re either as thick as three short planks or as mendacious as your heroes. Take that crap and spruik it to your fellow thickies at Liars Central.

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