Mr Abbott’s witch hunt

What a pathetic little man Tony Abbott is. Driven by populism, not policy, he has promised to hold a judicial inquiry into Julia Gillard’s actions as a lawyer should the Coalition win the next election. Not content to simply ‘ditch the witch’ he wants to conduct a witch hunt into irrelevant matters that were played out almost twenty years ago; matters that will mean absolutely zero to the country should Julia Gillard lose the 2013 election. Some of us would argue that those matters mean absolutely zero in this present day, but that’s another story. Twenty years later on this irrelevant issue:

Mr Abbott insisted again that Ms Gillard had committed a crime in her role of providing legal advice to incorporate an association for her then boyfriend and Australian Workers Union Victoria state secretary Bruce Wilson.

Abbott has no doubt been buoyed by a recent poll showing that voters question Ms Gillard’s explanation of the matter, hence his further drift towards tacky populism.

It is my guess that he’ll do absolutely nothing. He runs the risk of being exposed as an utter fraud if the judicial inquiry turns up nothing to support his current exercise in fear and smear. And he knows it, but it doesn’t deter him from practicing current day populism.

Given that Mr Abbott wants to exert his “future government’s” time and money on witch hunts judicial inquiries, I have a handful of instances from where he might want to hold judicial inquiries witch hunts on whose episodes are more recent than the Prime Minister’s alleged criminal behaviour 20 years ago and whose outcomes are more in the national interest.

Here are some of the witch hunts Mr Abbott might want to pursue.

Our illegal war

Mr Abbott, please take a look at John Howard’s lie that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. We entered into an illegal war based on that lie. We ordinary Australians are more interested in the lie that cost this country billions of dollars and which tarnished our national pride. We, as a country, are still associated with that war, whereas Ms Gillard’s alleged actions were almost 20 years ago. Let’s have some priority.

AWB

The AWB Oil-for-Wheat Scandal refers to the payment of kickbacks to the regime of Saddam Hussein in contravention of the United Nations Oil-for-Food Humanitarian Program. AWB Limited is a major grain marketing organisation based in Australia. For much of the twentieth and early 21st century, it was an Australian Government entity operating a single desk regime over Australian wheat, meaning it alone could export Australian wheat, which it paid a single price for. In the mid-2000s, it was found to have been, through middlemen, paying kickbacks to the regime of Saddam Hussein, in exchange for lucrative wheat contracts. This was in direct contradiction of United Nations Sanctions, and of Australian law. Mr Abbott, please take a look into how the Howard Government – of which you were a member – were entangled in reprehensible act. Please also ask your former Foreign Minister, who knew ‘nothing’ of the affair, if it is true that his staff removed 11 wheelie bins filled with shredded documents from his office the morning after losing the 2007 election. Perhaps you could put an end to the rumour that circulated Canberra about the contents of those mysterious bins.

Dodgy deals – Malcolm Turnbull

Mr Abbott, do you remember this?

In a speech that Mr Turnbull gave in Perth it was reported he “ . . . decried the state of political discourse in Australia, saying it had deteriorated to such an extent that the nation suffered “a deficit of trust” and there was an urgent need for honesty in politics.”

Before Malcolm starts preaching he needs to have a good look at himself . . . having refused to answer a number of questions in relation to a grant he gave when he was Enviroment Minister in the Howard government to his friend Matt Handbury. Mr Hanbury, co-founder of the Australian Rain Corporation and nephew of the News Corporation chief, Rupert Murdoch, you might recall, contributed to Mr Turnbull’s electorate fund-raising machine (which was set up in 2007).

Mr Abbott, do you remember Mr Handbury’s company receiving a $10 million grant from Mr Turnbull when he was Environment Minister not long before the 2007 election? $10 million of tax payer’s money.

A witch hunt my jog your memory.

Dodgy deals – John Howard

Mr Abbott, in 2000 your old boss decided to help the retrenched workers of National Textiles to recover their entitlements after the company, of which Mr Howard’s brother Stan was Chairman, was placed in the hands of an administrator.

It was reported at the time that it was Prime Minister Howard:

. . . who proudly announced that the cash-strapped National Textiles’ workers would receive their full entitlements. It was the Prime Minister who said they would be the first to recover wages, leave and a redundancy payout under a new National scheme and it was the Prime Minister who urged the creditors to accept a Deed of Arrangement so that the $6 million in State and Federal funds would flow.

. . . the Australian newspaper claimed that acceptance of the scheme would prevent an inquiry into National Textiles’ management and Directors, of which Mr Howard’s brother, Stan, is one. The editorial was scathing, raising questions about the government’s probity and calling the taxpayer funded bail-out improper, and policy on the run.

The Opposition called for an inquiry but it went nowhere. Mr Abbott, given your promise of a witch hunt to dig up Julia Gillard’s past perhaps you’d be moral enough to do a bit of digging dig into this shady deal as well.

Or perhaps the current Government could do their own digging. Ouch, won’t that hurt?

164 comments on “Mr Abbott’s witch hunt

  1. It is going to be fun, watching Mr. Abbott acting the statesman.

    Every now and then, she will give the line a twitch, just to remind him, who has control.

    At the end of the day, when she is ready she will wind that line in.

    Wonder how many hooks has the PM set.

  2. Yes, el gordo, I/we are obsessed. You’ll just have to deal with it.

    I do note you are happy to tolerate anti-Gillard propaganda.

  3. I should add that it’s doubtful that any judicial enquiry would even get off the ground (as Abbott would full well know) as 4 out of the 8 allegations are unproven and are likely to remain so.

  4. There has never been a more lower grub of a person than this lunatic Abbott. That he is leader of a political party is frankly an embarrassment to his party and to Australia. As Bob Hawke said,” Tony is as mad as cut snake”, Paul Keating said he was the “resident nutter” and Anthony Albanese said” in your guts you know he’s nuts”. They all apply but he is also a mysoginist, a serial liar and a coward, all traits obviously treasured by the LNP. Almost forgot he also likes using threatening behaviour towards females. What a grub!!!

  5. Migs
    keep scraping,
    now that our Margo has done a Lazarus lets help her as much as we can. posted this on PB”
    bilko
    Posted Monday, December 3, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Just popped into the club cooler inside, a gent playing the pokies at $5 per press winning but also whinging about Julia. Why he has had to sell a gold coast unit its value was falling and it is all Gillards fault his exact words, did you know the biggest polluters are volcanoes and he has spoken to the CISRO who agreed with him. I was speachless. PB has not prepared me for such a situation I will have to go back into training help anyone.
    PS it was the tradies in dickson

  6. el gordo
    DECEMBER 3, 2012 @ 7:28 PM
    You’re obsessed.

    Like us all, obsessed with the truth, policy and social advancement.

    Miglo
    DECEMBER 3, 2012 @ 7:32 PM
    Yes, el gordo, I/we are obsessed.

    Migs…I have signed up for a stint doing media for a senior politician and I am convinced that dispelling lies, concentrating on the incredible policy achievements of this government; speaking truth, spreading fact will serve us well. Their is no possible way that lies and such policy incompetency can stand with the electorate. My strategy is simple…truth and runs on the board. I know and have consulted lots of small L Liberals and the story is consistent. They dig Turnbull and consider Abbott a disgrace; against everything they stand for. My message is like his whole shadow cabinet…He is a lead plated Fake.

    I challenge any of the usual Trolls in here to explain to me, (without any of the usual rhetoric of Labor did this and that, smear, fear or propaganda)…

    So here it is….My personal challenge to you all, I’m listening.

    5 personal attributes of Tony Abbott s competency that would affirm Abbott’s suitability for the highest office in Australia.

    My call based on his character, his stint as leader and past political career is;
    this guy is not worthy, no way no how, he is unequivocally un-electable.

  7. A flip flopper and a weather vane. The latter he told us so himself.

    Has generally has been on every side of most policies he has come into contact with.

    What is amazing, is the rapid distance he has put between himself and Cardinal Pell.

  8. el gordo, I am sure you and your mates can find many sites more to your liking, that fill their time in demonizing the PM. How about the one you said won today. More to your liking, I would day.

  9. Ricky, we have waited days for that on the site, that Migs challenged them. Not one item. You are asking for five,

  10. Bilko, must catch up at the Tradies again soon. I’ll forego playing $5 a shot on the pokies, preferring to share a drink with you instead. 🙂

  11. There has never been a more lower grub of a person than this lunatic Abbott. That he is leader of a political party is frankly an embarrassment to his party and to Australia. As Bob Hawke said,” Tony is as mad as cut snake”, Paul Keating said he was the “resident nutter” and Anthony Albanese said” in your guts you know he’s nuts”. They all apply but he is also a mysoginist, a serial liar and a coward, all traits obviously treasured by the LNP. Almost forgot he also likes using threatening behaviour towards females. What a grub!!!

    I recommend the following article which goes into the darkness of Abbott. Misogynist, sexist, religious fundamentalist, shallow, aggressive, dishonest, coward, blustering bully – Abbott’s got it all.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/politics/a-thirst-for-power-lies-at-the-heart-of-abbotts-agenda-20121022-2818x.html

  12. Margie Abbott And The Streisand Effect

    Where would Abbott be without the media, especially the Murdoch media, to help him out. Gone a long time ago and not even a footnote in Australia’s history.

    There was apparently a Newspoll taken last weekend (September 29-30), the results of which, for unknown reasons, were never released. Rumours abounded that News Limited, which owns Newspoll, were disappointed with the results because they showed Labor in front of the Noalition and were highly unfavourable to its leader Tony Abbott.

    Abbott really is on the nose with large majority of the Australian people and it can only be the senseless who would stick up for him and the mindless who would believe he would be a decent PM.

    http://www.twylah.com/BowlerBarrister/tweets/-250105827426305

    Take heart Migs if you look around there a quite a number of anti-Abbott bloggers and sites out there.

  13. What which hunt? Why doesn’t she answer the simple questions?
    Does she not comprehend the questions ask of her? Australians want to know. I suspect that the people not interested in persuing this issue have no concept of honesty or professionallism. I sincerely hope that all Politcians take note of this and contemplate long and hard before considering public office, so that we can finally trust our elected leaders rather then doubt every word that comes out their mouths.
    If Abbott hadn’t created this so called Witch Hunt then I doubt that Gillard would have stepped up this week to consider newstart increase,proposedsavings of $250 per year off electricity bills. I doubt the last will happen. It is only another diversion.

  14. For stuff sake Cranky, what questions should she answer? Please tell us?

    The rest is just utter bullshit.

    What is with wingnuts and their fantasy world so completely cut of from reality. Newstart was proposed well before a so called journalist raised a 20 year old furphy that two police investigations and an enquiry found nothing,

    It’s Abbott who always engages in diversions, stunts and back flips, and they’re on the record, all negative and laughable.

    Gillard’s achievements are also on the record, mostly positive and laudable,

  15. It never ceases to amaze, how the trolls quote such concepts as honesty and professionalism to back up their arguments for one of the most dishonest and unprofessional political organisations (theLNP) ever seen in this country.

    Cheers

  16. ‘For stuff sake Cranky, what questions should she answer?’

    Why did she put a tax on a harmless trace gas? Especially when China pumps out 80% of this benign gas.


  17. I’ve given the best answer that I can.

    By the way I am not here to defend Gillard of Abbott. I expect that our politions should be able a simple question expectially when it concerns situtaions that may detract from their credibility that includes Abbott, Turnbull , Howard, Gillard, Rudd or who ever we have elected.

  18. To the moderator. is their any chance of displaying the examples of Ms Gillard not answer questions. Thank you

  19. Mobius Echo & Catching up I have presented occassions where she has not answered questions put to her. but they have not been displayed.
    I have asked the moderator to allow them.

  20. No questions has been asked, that have not been answered

    It is the answers they do not like.

    They then move the goal post by asking more.

    They are asking questions about things that do not exist. How does one answer them. They make assumptions, and from the false or dubious assumptions, the form questions.

    The PM cannot win. They are not interested in proof. They are only interested in catching the PM out.

    They ignore the answers the PM gives, to ask more questions, that are full of insinuations and innuendo.

    The problem is not that the PM does not answer, The problems are with the questions themselves.

  21. If so, you should be able to articulate a couple here. The ones that have been put and not answered. Also a link would be useful. What role fo you have, that allows you near PC.

  22. No need to ask the moderator, That is what we are asking you to do. Should not be any problems that I can see.

  23. No, we are not saying you are. You made a statement, saying you were present when the PM refuse to answer a question.

    All we are asking, what was the question, or as you alleged , questions.

    That is not hard.

  24. Listen carefully, the PM did give answers, Not the ones they wanted. She did not ask for a speech to be written. We went through this two years ago. This type of things go on all the time in offices, One will even find obituaries written before the person dies, It has something to do with being prepared. The PM said she did not ask for the reply to be written. They were attempting to prove the PM was plotting weeks ahead. The only thing that could count,was if she asked for the speech to be written.

    Many seem to have very definite ideas on how offices work especially those the PM resides in.

  25. Miglo – just one statement destroys your post and credibility
    ‘Why should actions from 20 years ago prevent her re-election in 2013 and mean
    Zero today’ Wrong Wrong Wrong
    1 because at the very best she acted stupidly unprofessionally as a lawyer
    at worst she was complicit in a massive fraud of Australian workers and
    should be jailed. Stealing always has been a serious crime no matter what.
    2 Australian citizens deserve much better than extremly tainted goods , the
    word is her backbench have ordered cartons of Prozac they are so concerned
    3 this site bombastically persecuted Abbott for aledgedly punching a wall
    during his student days. He was not a senior figure in the Socialist Forum nor
    oranizing AWU Slush Funds nor buying houses with stolen AWU money at auction.
    4 A very learned statesman quoted ‘those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it’* One who has shown such past contempt for those she
    supposidly supports is of no future value to Australian Society as Prime Minister.
    5 Her stupid handling of the issue, you and the majority on this site laud it,
    is plain stupid. It has so much more to go. Who will drop the bombshell?
    Ms Dillard will have the worst Xmas of her life worrying about her future.
    6 The Media and Australian Voters rightly continue to question the ‘purity
    of the Prime Minister’ Simply it will not go away, its stuck onto her for life.
    By Election time no matter what you continue to say about Abbott –
    You could run a dead drovers dog against Ms Dullard and it would win.
    The list of failures is lengthy .
    Just try one – a Mining Tax that has raised nothing but killed off the industry.
    Yep I can see all the excuses from you all . Sorry wont work.
    The Federal Election has been lost already in NSW . Thanks to crooked
    Labor Ministers ie Obeid and McDonald. Lots more to come here & at the wrong
    time .
    Labor remains a very bad brand . Needs a vehicle recall boys and girls .
    Or KYAG.
    * Sir Winston Churchill quote , oldie but a very goodie.
    Read it again so so true. Act on it or loose folks that simple.

  26. cranky, the PM said that she had been approached in the immediate period leading up to that night, The PM said that she did not

    All the noise was trying to prove that the PM organize and was the driver of the challenge, there is no evidence to back those assertions up, except for a speech, that has been blown out of proportion. Even if the PM has ordered the speech, it would not have proven, what they say.

    What did occur, and in its self, unusual, all the caucus, except for a couple did not want Rudd. I believe if it took an exerted effort on those who made the move, the press would have been aware long before it happened. The press had no forwarning at all.

    There is no reason or evidence to not beliefve the PM acted as she said.

  27. Hi, I’m new here but am liking the style. Particularly the idea of the complete irrelevance of such an enquiry if Ms Gillard was not in power and he was. This sociopath (look it up, its deadly accurate) is just not real bright is he.

    Meanwhile. Some alternative clarity…

    No one seems to factor into this non story some truly base grade common sense.

    “Missing or empty files” yeah, seventeen years ago, just like my tax records of seventeen years ago, someone threw out the trash.

    “Didn’t open a case file” Yeah, ever asked a friend in a profession for friendly advice? They don’t open a case file because than you need to charge for every 7 minutes. Try charging your lover for a conversation. See how that works out for you. So maybe Slater and Gordon missed out on some billable time, oh the travesty!!

    In professional circles, countless hours of time and advice is provided freely as part of the bigger picture of on-going account management. Advice on a setting up an association – sure, no problem.
    So then some paperwork was done and it all appears to be… wait for it… … … accurate!

    Everything else is pure conjecture about motives for which NO ONE has any proof and NO WAY of proving them after countless man hours of investigation. It’s an old dead story and if this is the worst, most pressing, accusation that can be made against Julia Gillard from her entire career then I see it as a very clear message that our PM has conducted herself with integrity for a very long time.

  28. voyager, can I ask you a question. Why are you so angry with what we say, if you really believe an election in 12 months is already won by Abbott. If I believe that, and was in your place, would be sitting back, enjoying the show,

    What does it matter what we say , do or think.

    Could it be that you have doubts

    I could not care what you think. That is why I do not understand where you are coming from, or your anger..

  29. Rob, the truth is that the work the PM did for Wilson, or was it Blewitt, as I believe his signature is on the document did not amount to much in the scheme of things,

    The PM, even had available to her a document that was similar to what Wilson wanted from her uni days m from which she cut and pasted, saving time and work.

    There were eight words in her handwriting on that document, Eight, in many pages.

    The PM did not sign the document. Did not present it to the register. Held no role in the AWU. In fact was in no way connected to the association.

    The PM never lived with Mr. Wilson. Yes they had a three and half year affair, Not unusual back in those times not to live together,

    The matter was tiny, and filed in her miscellaneous file. Nothing unusual in that.

    It has been investigated over the years. Nothing new has come to light at this time.

    There is nothing in the public domain, that even infers the PM lied, There is no smoking gun. NO, one does not have to prove their innonence, That job beloongs to the accusers. They have not been able to so that up to this time.

    voyager you have written much that is libellous and deflamatory without proof, Most which are assumptions, nothing more.

  30. Rob, well said.
    What a novelty, a new voice of reason against the ramblings of Voyager of the seven fanta-seas.

    You are a welcome addition to the discourse, unfortunately the trolls just don’t seem to grasp the concept that this is a blog that appreciates truth, fact and reason.

    Their only purpose is to promulgate the right wing spin, ignoring aforementioned truth, fact or reason, in favour of lies, slogans and misrepresentation.

    The sad part is that they are so indoctrinated that they actually believe the rubbish they spout.

    But again I say welcome and well said.

    Cheers 😀 😀 😀

  31. Last week Tony Abbott released an e-book “A Stronger Australia”, a collection of what he calls “a series of landmark addresses that set out the Coalition’s plans for our country”. “If you want to know what the next Coalition government will look like, you should read this book”, he says in the short foreword.

    If he is to be taken seriously, the next Coalition government will be tied in knots dealing with irreconcilable contradictions in its economic platform. There will be big spending on infrastructure, parental leave and a standing Green Army, while taxes are cut and the budget is balanced. Its policies will privilege the mining industry, thereby keeping the exchange rate high, while ensuring we “once again have competitive manufacturing industries”. ………..

    http://newmatilda.com/2012/12/03/party-libs-could-be

  32. Roswell, cos they are too busy….navel gazing.

    You only have to look at the “Walkleys, to see that they inhabit a parallel universe where opinion is fact, spin is reason and lies are truth, and the tooth fairy will be around in her rubber van to collect their brains cos they obviously don’t need them.

    Cheers 😆 😀 😆

  33. In government we will also seek to harness the food production opportunities offered by the flocks of flying pigs that have recently appeared in Australian skies. Members of the shooters party have been convened to address this new policy shortfall.

    The testing of our Julie Bishop robot has been a complete success, and on election we intend to roll out this model to take up positions as school headmistresses and bowling club presidents across the nation. We understand public concerns and will ensure that the hair is less metallic and more flexible in the new models.

    In the spirit of true libertarianism we will legalise gay marriage and marijuana, which will be taxed to provide unprecendented improvements in health services. We have realised that a Liberal government has no place in social issues and therefore will stop being such busybodies.

    While we acknowledge that George Brandis cannot be available every time, public enthusiasm indicates that there are enough hardheads and nut jobs in the current party to make public floggings a monthly event. Requests for Tony Abbott to be released from his lead lined coffin and beaten will be considered but do not take into account the fact that he enjoys it. Opus dei huh? Does anyone get it? I don’t.

    Our newly created position of Parliamentary Jester will be taken up by Joe Hockey, and once he is on permanent loan to Channel 7 and back to his avuncular self the government anticipates annual savings of up to 12 million dollars in manufactured outrage.

    The CSIRO, Bureau of Meteorology and Dolly Doctor will be disbanded for annual savings of some 213 million dollars annually on the basis that Christopher Pyne already knows everything.

    http://newmatilda.com/2012/12/03/party-libs-could-be

  34. Voyager, Just want to make sure I have this right – 1 being a PM who has been the victim of smear campaigns for 2 years =BAD PM 2 Being a PM who without the consent of Parliament entered Australia into an illegal war(under international law),which, led to loss of australian lives,destruction of a country and loss of life for hundreds of thousands of it citizens and the creation of countless numbers of asylum seekers etc = GOOD PM

  35. There seems little point in looking back, the polls indicate Abbott will be PM after the next election.

    Try as you may, there is not much the watermelons can do to stop Labor’s slide into oblivion.

  36. Simon Crean would make a great PM… a progressive thinker.

    ‘A NEW railway across the top of Australia linking Kununurra in the remote east Kimberley region with Darwin is under consideration.

    ‘Federal Minister for Regional Australia Simon Crean backed the need for a new rail line connecting to Darwin’s port to realise the food bowl potential of northern Australia.’

    Sue Neales in the Oz

  37. “There seems little point in looking back, the polls indicate Abbott will be PM after the next election.”

    If your prediction comes true, which is possible, we will not be looking back. We will be well and truly back in the past. Back before the 1950’s, if Mr. Abbott has his way.

    What a wonderful prospect.

  38. el gorda, I am sure that Mr. Crean would tell you his time has passed, and that we need today’s people to plan for the tomorrow, not yesterday. Yes, el gordo it is good to see you recognize the depth o9f talent within the Labor’s parliamentary caucus..

  39. Miglo

    Just read through this post and have to say that you have missed the point completely. Your so called Illegal War, AWB and Dodgy Deals are alleged to have been carried out by government or bureaucrats working for the government of the day.

    The AWB fraud and Gillard’s involvement is a completely different matter. For starters Gillard acted as a solicitor and was/is bound by a number of legal constraints. Furthermore union fraud has been a festering sore for decades.

    You suggest “perhaps the current Government could do their own digging” and I would welcome that. They might start with doing the right thing about union corruption and coming clean about Gillard’s involvement. Perhaps then more than 20% of the electorate might trust her!

  40. tree, wrong once again. The PM did nothing wrong.

    What happened in AWB scandal was that Wheat was sold to a dictator, with whom we were at war. The government either allowed the sale to go ahead, or worse should have known, but did not,

    The PM advise a man, she happened to be in relationship with, on how to set up an association. Mr. Blewitt was the signatory to that association, not the PM. The PM did not set up the fund, Played no part in its operation. The PM just did her job. Those ministers in the AWB scandal did not.

    Ministers are responsible for the actions of their government or bureaucrats, The only defence they put forward, was poor memory or did not know. Sorry, it was their job to know.

    Yes, the war is seen by many as illegal. It was not a sanctioned war, The excuses for the war were false. All involved knew this at the time.

  41. lol, according to treeman, what an MP has previously done in their private capacity is more important than what an MP does in their capacity as an MP

    It just gets more bizarre in here daily.

  42. “what an MP has previously done in their private capacity is more important than what an MP does in their capacity as an MP”

    Missed the point again…if you look at what Labor MP, have done in their capacity as MP’s the list runs off the page!

    My point was that Miglo compares apples with pears as you have just done yourself!

  43. Cu, you know that tree troll will completely ignore the facts, and will continue to reproduce his same old tired and dishonest spin, because that is all he’s got……Nothin’.

    Tree troll, you should not be patronised ( although CU was not being patronising ), you should be completely ignored for the utter shit that you spout ad infinitum.

  44. Treeman, then aren’t you the lucky one that I just fancied tackling you this morning. Do you not comprehend the difference between robust debate and comment which one could expect in the public bar versus the descent into abuse about the person which is on a personal level.

  45. Cranky on December 3, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    What which hunt? Why doesn’t she answer the simple questions?

    2 of the longest marathon press confrences in Australian history , question time and nada..nothing. maybe I can enlighten you… The answer is 42.

    Voyger.. take your rose colored ideological glasses off you seem to be blinded by hypocrisy and stumbling on the truth.

    el gordo on December 3, 2012 at 9:25 pm ‘For stuff sake Cranky, what questions should she answer?’

    Why did she put a tax on a harmless trace gas?

    Climate denial? Ok one more time for the extremely dumb. In the face of concurrence from every credabile scientist, peer reviewed data and respected organisation across the globe we have decided to do something that scientific experts (not Andrew Bolt, Alan Jones, Chrissy Monkton and tNoy grabb-it) think is essential for the survival of the human race. Elgordo the troll in a blog says No bit like the afore mentioned self promoting flat earthers, your not an expert. So if your such a genius and know better than the leaders in scientific academia ,maybe you should explain how flatsearth morons like your bad self would save our economy when we are smashed by responsible carbon neutral economys in the future….

    Elgordo, wanky and voyer…
    I will take that deafening silence and convenient ignorance as a resounding NO. Cmon wanky, your big on people answering questions…. In the too hard basket? Fishing is pointless when you try to catch a whale with a plastic fork isn’t it?. No, No and more no ? Didn’t think so. Thought as much, your predictibility is pathetically a measure of parroting your vacuous bully boy hero.

    So now I ask (which will be again ignored as too hard). If your not here to enlighten, debate and defend the tender character of your fearless leader, then you would classify as Antagonistic factless trolls incapable of defending the indefendable.
    Simple put up or shut up.

  46. “Do you not comprehend the difference between robust debate and comment which one could expect in the public bar versus the descent into abuse about the person which is on a personal level.”

    Perhaps you might educate some of your whisperers…

  47. My point was that Miglo compares apples with pears as you have just done yourself!

    I deliberately highlighted the difference for you, yet you claim I’m comparing them. Meanwhile, al you want to look at the pears, and ignore the apples. And deride people very basely (yes, I read it before Min removed the crap)

    The two are not the same, but all some want to focus on is a 17 year old case where nothing wrong has been shown after 17 years of frantic digging.

  48. Perhaps you might educate some of your whisperers…

    I really don’t think anyone wants to waste time educating themselves on slurs like you just did. Lift ya game

  49. Min, as I said on another thread, Comprehension is not one of his strong points, but then neither is truth, honesty….. in fact anything much really…. maybe tree clearing?

    Tree troll tree troll tree troll.. (sigh)… now that’s patronising! 😆 😆

    Cheers 😀

  50. Simple put up or shut up.

    Off his Treeman on December 4, 2012 at 9:26 am
    I think your in the wrong place, its all so pythoneske, arguments are down the hall.

    So heres another, 5 reasons..off your freeman, here’s your bog chance to convert our thinking with your amazing debating skills.

  51. What happened in AWB scandal was that Wheat was sold to a dictator, with whom we were at war. The government either allowed the sale to go ahead, or worse should have known, but did not,

    CU, this is not correct. Food was being sold to Iraq legally under UN resolution 986. The allegation is that AWB paid bribes so they could get the wheat deals rather than say some Canadian company.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme

    The Oil-for-Food Programme (OFF), established by the United Nations in 1995 (under UN Security Council Resolution 986)[1] was established with the stated intent to allow Iraq to sell oil on the world market in exchange for food, medicine, and other humanitarian needs for ordinary Iraqi citizens without allowing Iraq to boost its military capabilities.”

    What i do not understand is how bribing Sadam would be useful. Did Sadam have the power to get the UN to buy Australian wheat rather than Canadian wheat??

    What really annoys me is that Labor did not do anything about this when in govt. Just leads me to believe there was nothing in Rudds allegations against Downer and that Labor was just playing politics.

  52. Tom, plus a point might be that there were no 17 years of digging but that it all suddenly became “important” due to the Abbott sleaze machine yet again in action. At the start of the dirt being thrown around it was due to Tony’s delusion that he was about to form government any tick of the clock, and the dirt machine’s job was to hurry things on the way.

    Well poor old Tony has been made to wait, the “disfunctional government” went from one achievement to another, revealing only an incompetent and ineffectual opposition. Therefore the current sleaze relates only to Abbott himself trying to cling to power against the urbane moderate Turnbull..if it is thought that Abbott can dig enough dirt to ensure himself winning the election, he will still have his party’s support. It should be interesting to watch..once this issue is off the headlines, in again will come Turnbull. Note how Turnbull takes care to distance himself from the Abbott sleaze.

  53. Most of the comments on CW show just why it will be so hard for
    Ms Dillard to win the 2013 Election. It seems she can do no evil in your eyes.
    There are no true sons and daughters of Labor – that Labor ethos has been lost.

  54. TOM R

    “I deliberately highlighted the difference for you, yet you claim I’m comparing them”

    You did, if only by inference that Miglo was right to do so in the first instance.

    “The two are not the same, but all some want to focus on is a 17 year old case where nothing wrong has been shown after 17 years of frantic digging”

    At least you agree the two are not the same but four out of five Australians don’t trust Gillard and that says a lot for someone who “has done nothing wrong”

  55. Neil, you might want to read this, then you will understand.

    AWB Oil-for-Wheat Scandal
    he AWB Oil-for-Wheat Scandal (also known just as the AWB Scandal) refers to the payment of kickbacks to the regime of Saddam Hussein in contravention of the United Nations Oil-for-Food Humanitarian Program. AWB Limited is a major grain marketing organisation based in Australia. For much of the twentieth and early 21st century, it was an Australian Government entity operating a single desk regime over Australian wheat, meaning it alone could export Australian wheat, which it paid a single price for. In the mid-2000s, it was found to have been, through middlemen, paying kickbacks to the regime of Saddam Hussein, in exchange for lucrative wheat contracts. This was in direct contradiction of United Nations Sanctions, and of Australian law.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWB_Oil-for-Wheat_Scandal

  56. With Hunts aside,

    “THE complex political and business battle over the $40 billion Browse gas project off Western Australia’s northwest coast could signal the beginning of the end of Australia’s natural gas boom…

    More broadly, the outcome – or non-outcome – for Browse could mark the first serious crumbling of the “cliff-edge.” That’s the resources investment cliff, over which the entire Australian economy could so devastatingly tumble.

    Resource industry leaders have been trying to get this fundamental message across to our political leadership, including in direct private meetings with both the PM and treasurer.

    The message has been blunt and very simple. The global demand outlook for our commodities is weakening; while at the same time we are making Australia an increasingly unattractive place to invest. From a combination of raw cost escalation, and regulatory, environmental and sheer bureaucratic bastardry.

    Plus of course, the dollar, which could face its own cliff.

    But Resources Minister Martin Ferguson conspicuously aside, their warnings have been met by complete incomprehension, driven by a basic lack of understanding and an over-exuberant belief that we’ve got it all and people just have to buy from us…

    This manana arrogance assumes that the massive gas export projects planned on both sides of Australia – conventional gas off WA and the Northern Territory, coal seam gas in Queensland – will just keep the resources music playing.

    That they will take up, in a sense, from where the massive expansions that have taken place for BHP Billiton’s and Rio Tinto’s Pilbara iron ore projects, leave off.

    Yes, they might. In the short-to-medium term. But after them, there is now nothing. Almost literally nothing. That’s the looming resources cliff.”

    This sentence says it all for me:

    “Their warnings have been met by complete incomprehension, driven by a basic lack of understanding and an over-exuberant belief that we’ve got it all and people just have to buy from us…”

    Over exuberant belief….echoes of a certain whispering cafe!

  57. And an even more sobering view of the boom which will not sustain Labor excesses much longer…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9717728/The-worlds-commodity-supercycle-is-far-from-dead.html

    “Studies by the World Bank covering two centuries of data sketch a pattern of 10-year supercycles, followed by a slide for the next 20 years or so as excess investment leads to a flood of supply. The long bear market can be cruel for those hanging onto to resource stocks, convinced that the rebound must be nigh.”

  58. Off his Treeman on December 4, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I think your in the wrong place, its all so pythoneske, arguments are down the hall.
    Robust debate? I think your confusing rhetorical opinion with debate.
    So here is another Addition to the avoidance brigade of Abbott defenders. They all want him as PM but they cannot tell us why he should be elected without reference to his personal qualities that makes him PM material.

    5 reasons..off you go off your treeman, here’s your big chance to convert our thinking with your amazing debating skills. 5 co.concise reasons

  59. Off his Treeman on December 4, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I think your in the wrong place, its all so pythoneske, arguments are down the hall.
    Robust debate? I think your confusing rhetorical opinion with debate.
    So here is another Addition to the avoidance brigade of Abbott defenders. They all want him as PM but they cannot tell us why he should be elected without reference to his personal qualities that makes him PM material.

    5 reasons..off you go off your treeman, here’s your big chance to convert our thinking with your amazing debating skills. 5 concise reasons why Tony Abbott is qualified for PM.

  60. From Evans-Pritchard…

    ‘two centuries of data sketch a pattern of 10-year supercycles, followed by a slide for the next 20 years’

    A pattern of one step forward and two steps back maybe a natural wave.

  61. If the trolls want to be taken seriously, here’s a thought… STOP TALKING CRAP!

    Oh wait that would mean arguments based on truth, fact and reason, which all of their arguments are sadly lacking.

    Until you can add at least one, preferably all, of these elements to your assertions, you will continue to be treated with the scorn that you rightly deserve.

    In case you missed it the first 30,000 times it was mentioned, this IS proudly a left wing blog and you are right wing trolls so don’t whinge about the subjects here, go and loiter with Dolt and his maniac mates and you will feel right at home.

    Your spurious and puerile arguments will never have any credibility here, and just shows you all up as sadly delusional, misguided and lonely people who’s only options are to come here and be made to look like the idiots that you regularly prove you sadly are. 😦

  62. the word is her backbench have ordered cartons of Prozac they are so concerned

    The word is you are a f-wit.

  63. Tree always comes up with ‘opposites’ …. I don’t think he even cares if ‘his’ ‘opposite’ is true or not……… one wonders whether he pisses on dogs… 😀

  64. there’s plenty of abuse from the whispers that goes unchallenged!

    Treeman, most people here – as lefties – have long been subjected to continued abuse and threats on right-wing sites. Here is a place they can seek refuge. It’s their blog too. Right-wingers come here under our rules.

    Many right-wingers are also welcome here, such as Neil and el gordo, and don’t you find it odd that no one tells them to eff off? Maybe it’s because of the way they conduct themselves.

  65. Will patronize whoever I please. I will reserve the right, you hold to yourself, to say whatever I please.

  66. Buy you a drink after your previous egregious comment? 😯 I reckon you should be shouting the bar as a start on the way to atoning for your most serious sin :mrgreen:

  67. Voyager, miss the point, the PM has done no evil. The PM did not commit any crimes. The PM did her job as a solicitor.

    If not having the best taste in men is a crime, then the prisons would be full of women.

    There would also be many women living alone. Good men are hard to find. There are some on this site, but not too sure you are among them. That is when it comes to women.

  68. Off hisTreeman
    DECEMBER 4, 2012 @ 8:46 AM
    Miglo

    Just read through this post and have to say that you have missed the point completely. Your so called Illegal War, AWB and Dodgy Deals are alleged to have been carried out by government or bureaucrats working for the government of the day.

    The AWB fraud and Gillard’s involvement is a completely different matter

    So Gillard is now responsible for The Australian Wheat Board bribing Sudam Hussain with millions under Howard’s government? Might as well blame her for then invading a country illegally on the premise of WMD… Wouldn’t have anything to do with a few American corporate oil companies wanting to renegotiate the french contracts?

    Off your Treeman Azaria Chamberlain is yet to be found, you may as well try that on too…

    Off your Treeman 5 reasons why Tony Abbott should be PM, Put up or shut up…

  69. I’ll have a double tooheys old….. 😀
    El Gordo maybe…… shims like that old feral cat that ‘just hangs around’…… but Neil.. Migs……. go and thwow yourself woughly to the gwound…… straight after your shout, of course….. :mrgreen:

  70. I think it might have been four out of five did not believe the PM . So a big majority said they did not care.

    Are they saying, even if guilty, they alleged crime is not a hanging offence in their eyes.

    Suspect so.

  71. tree, rubs his hands with glee, along with many in the shadow ministry, the economy might be slowing a little.

    Is that patronizing, or saying it as it is.

    Yes, we all know the mineral and resources bloom has come off the boil.

    Collapsed, I believe not.

    Many expect it to pick up. Much depends on the USA and Europe.

    Things that this government has no control over.

    Not the time to talk an economy down. Still that will not stop Hockey and Co.

    Will be out in force, accompanied by that wonderful example of womanhood, Ms. Mirabella.

  72. “Azaria Chamberlain ”

    Thanks for recalling the Azaria case. A perfect example to remind us that the media and public perception can get it one hundred percent wrong. That lady was pursued to prison. She was convicted in the court of public opinion, which sadly found its way into the courts. At the end of the day, there was no hard evidence,

    Just people expressing their own assumptions, ignoring all the facts that were available. I even remember days of she must be guilty, because who puts black on a baby, and it was because of her religion. Seven Day Adventist, are not exactly an extreme of fundamentalist faith.

    It was carried along by journalists and the public, mouthing their own, misguided assumptions Same that is happening now.

    When one goes back to the establish facts in the public arena, the PM has no case to answer.

    If one relies on the feverish imagination and assumptions of Ms Bishop, the younger and Mr. Brandis, one could believe they have a case. When one takes out the ifs, innuendo and allegations, there is little there.

    The biggest case that Ms. Bishop puts forward, is the the PM had to prove her innocence and will not.

    No, it is Ms, Bishop that has to prove guilt. More than guilt by association. It is Ms. Bishop that has to explain her actions.

    By the way, I believe the PM has answered all questions in a reasonable manner. It is also true, one does not have to answer questions that incriminates them.

    Incriminating question, does not necessarily mean, by not answering, is admitting guilt.

    Incriminating question can be those formed to get a answer, that makes one look guilty. . I notice at the moment, many polling questions are in this ball park.

    Asked yes and no questions. One has to answer yes, but not for the reason posed within the question.

    One can answer yes, for opposing reasons. Many of the questions that are being aimed at the PM are in this category. One cannot answer such questions

    The PM made that mistake when she said, yes it could be called a carbon tax, which obviously it is not. The answer is still hounding her.

    The other is that do called the acceptance speech. If she said, yes she was aware some in the office were having some fun, it would have given legs to the allegations. The PM answer that she did not authorize any such action, is probably the correct answer. Is not a lie, by the way.

    How does any one answer questions, when all answers, are twisted to fit in with what the media are after.

  73. Neil, you might want to read this, then you will understand.

    O.K. but I will have to read it latter. Still I think it would be hard to bribe Saddam as I do not think he had any power to say which companies sold food to Iraq.

    This is a topic where people tell lies just to throw some mud at Howard. Look what CU said

    What happened in AWB scandal was that Wheat was sold to a dictator, with whom we were at war. The government either allowed the sale to go ahead, or worse should have known, but did not,

    CU – your statement is a load of crap. AWB was selling wheat to IRAQ for years. It seems to be a characteristic of Labor supporters to tell factual inaccuracies and no care about it.

    CU- Iraq was under sanctions and food was being sold under the UN OIL FOR FOOD PROGRAM. It was legal to do this. Lots of companies wanted the business.

    Only if Howard or Downer received any kickbacks would I think there is any need for the Australian govt to share the blame.

  74. Ricky, looks like your having a warlock hunt, 😆 lots of good’ evidence’ for why he would be the worst of PM’s (not that he’ll ever get closer than LOTO)

  75. Wow advice from Keating whose govt created 30 months of double digit unemployment. Nothing like it since the great depression.

    And advice from Fraser who helped install Mugabe.

    I would not listen to advice from those two.

  76. Why wont thy answer my questions? Don’t they love Tony anymore? Or is it because if they don’t like the answers they say its avoiding the questions…The ses neocons are confused,
    Debate means argument
    Quote means Telegraph
    outstanding economic figures means bad fiscal management
    No means policy
    Rhetoric means policy

    I just read his so called book, no wonder they cant defend him…its like a manifesto of the bizarreo.

  77. Neil of Sydney
    DECEMBER 4, 2012 @ 5:25 PM
    Wow advice from Keating whose govt created 30 months of double digit
    I would not listen to advice from those two.

    I would back his economic credentials over any Liberal treasurere in Australian political history.
    H e handed a buoyant reformed economy to the Fiberals on a platter. Unlike John Howard Australia’s worst treasurer..

  78. Fraser installed Howard as Treasurer.

    Howard was the only treasurer in history to preside over Stagflation. That’s an ugly word with an ugly impact on the economy. It’s the combination of recession and high inflation. Murders an economy.

    He is the only treasurer to bring Australia the so-called ‘Trifecta of Misery’, the combination of:

    Double-digit unemployment
    Double-digit interest rates
    and Double-digit inflation

    … all at the same time!

    Debt and deficit that grew year upon year.

    And Australia’s worst recession since the Great Depression.

    Howard – the worst treasurer in history.

  79. And let’s not forget that as Treasurer Howard introduced the brandy excise. A bottle of St Agnes went up from $6 to $10 overnight. What a despicable act!

  80. “AWB was selling wheat to IRAQ for years. It seems to be a characteristic of Labor supporters to tell factual inaccuracies and no care about it.”

    Yes we were nothing wrong with that. After we went to war, that was different. Yes, bribes are illegal.

  81. Bacchus said:

    I reckon you should be shouting the bar as a start on the way to atoning for your most serious sin :mrgreen:

    He’s joining Neil and el gordo as masters of repetitive commenters. :mrgreen:

  82. Stagflation. Yes that was a time of horror. A time we do not want to go back to. Began in the days of Menzies, if my memory is correct. The days of horror budgets.

  83. Thanks Ricky for that reminder of Craig Thomson’s revenge on Abbott by pushing him into that crazy run from the Chamber trying to beat the Division Bell, and failing so he was forced to accept Thomson’s ‘tainted’ vote!

    Thomson’s Gazump. Or Was That A Gazelle?

    http://www.leahy.com.au/leahy/view_comic.cfm?comic_id=1926

    It was the Member for Dobell,
    Deciding he would cross the floor,
    Who sent Tony Abbott pell mell
    Running for the chamber door.

    Delicious irony! Farewell,
    Keys to The Lodge, for evermore!
    That’s a story pollies will tell
    For many years to come, for sure.

    The man condemned to living hell
    In a cruel, relentless war
    Fought back, unexpectedly so well
    He brought his enemy to the floor.

    Time will come for the final bell,
    There’s a bit of action still in store.
    But will anything this tale excel
    In Aussie parliamentary lore?

    http://polliepomes.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/thomsons-gazump-or-was-that-a-gazelle/

  84. Hi Miglo, I’ve been struggling with inserting images, much less videos with sound, into my posts. Your “How To” hints don’t contain the basic formulae any more. I’d appreciate your inserting the picture of my cartoon here as linked beneath my title, anyway. Then I’ll try to work back from “Edit” on how you did it!

  85. Craig Thompson is appealing to the court that the time of his alleged use of prostitutes is out of date and seeks dismissal of the charges.

  86. el gordo, cherry picking once again.

    Also lodge a defence, stating he was innocence.

    You would expect the lawyers to lodge the first, as it was so long ago.

    It could be possible the man does have evidence to defend himself. Did not appear too worried.

    But that could not be true, as he has already been convicted in the media and court of public opinion.

  87. Sorry, Catching up, I can’t follow that. Help me, please. You have editing rights, don’t you? Can you go in and do what you do? I’ll look at the changes then and learn from that.

    Patricia, I tight ticked on your gravatar before coming in. I copy the image URl.

    Then I left ticked the img on the bar above and pasted the url from your avatar. Just push OK twice, unless you want to add a caption.

  88. Double-digit unemployment
    Double-digit interest rates
    and Double-digit inflation

    Yep but I think you will find the United States had similar economic numbers. There was a nasty recession in the early 1980’s

    But Keating was part of a govt which presided over 30 months of double digit unemployment. Nothing like it since the great depression.

    Keating handed nothing but trouble to the Coalition in 1996.

    Costello handed Labor an economy in 2007 that Labor would not be capable of creating.

    Name me one Labor govt in recent memory that has paid off any debt?? It sickens me when Labor supporters say our debt is low when Labor only creates debt.

  89. Yes we were nothing wrong with that. After we went to war, that was different. Yes, bribes are illegal.”

    I am still not sure it was possible to bribe Saddam Hussein. I do not think he had any power to say who sold food to Iraq unless Saddam could bribe someone in the UN who was in charge of the UN OIL FOR FOOD PROGRAM.

    But you said this
    “What happened in AWB scandal was that Wheat was sold to a dictator, with whom we were at war. The government either allowed the sale to go ahead, or worse should have known, but did not”

    That is NOT what the AWB scandal is about. Apparently bribes were paid to Saddam by AWB over a period of many years to get the wheat contract. The money was several hundred million dollars over a long time.

    Once again you tell a falsehood to to support your beliefs.

  90. Anyone else noticed that the ‘Carmody Enquiry’ in Queensland continues to draw blanks re Heiner. Just like the 10 ‘investigations’ that went before. Slow learners these rightards.

    Just for the historical record. The ‘Heiner’ inquiry was set up in the dying days of the Cooper Government in Queensland. It failed the ‘legal test’ according to Crown Law advice at the time provided by Minister Anne Warner.

    And while Rudd was in a position of power at the time, at the theoretical level,. he had no say in the Cabinet decision, at the legal level.

    Perhaps Piers, scaper et al will apologise for the bullshit that’s been promoted over the years.

    Just jokin …

  91. LOVO
    December 4, 2012 @ 5:12 pm
    Ricky, looks like your having a warlock hunt, 😆 lots of good’ evidence’ for why he would be the worst of PM’s (not that he’ll ever get closer than LOTO)

    I will take the deafening silence in defense of Abbott’s character suitability as NO. Even a troll cant do it.

  92. Keating handed nothing but trouble to the Coalition in 1996

    Now now, Nil, there’s no need to make stuff up.

    Coalition (treasurer Howard) left behind in 1983:
    •rising inflation,
    •rising interest rates,
    •a dysfunctional industrial relations system, despite having control of the Senate

    Labor (treasurers Keating and Willis) left behind in 1996:
    •falling inflation,
    •falling interest rates,
    •a workable industrial relations system

    Coalition (treasurer Costello) left behind in 2007:
    •rising inflation,
    •rising interest rates,
    •a dysfunctional industrial relations system once again having had control of the Senate

  93. Paul Keating’s supposed to have said the ALP has to try to get on with people who simply wish it were dead. These people see their chance in the current environment.
    This is not viewed as a part of any sort of electoral cycle but as an opportunity to impose their design on this country. For ever.

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