The ‘Right’ to be heard

No doubt inspired by their hero Abbott’s performances (which can be likened to a mad banshee), right-wing bloggers come here imitating his behaviour from the sidelines with the most outrageous comments about how evil and incompetent the Gillard Government is whilst at the same time hoisting Abbott as the new Messiah.

They fail miserably on both counts. All bluster with no evidence.

I’m giving them the opportunity to redeem themselves. I devote this thread to them where they can add some substance to their claims that Gillard is evil, the Government is toxic or why Abbott would make a better Prime Minister.

The only condition is that I want evidence produced from reliable sources. Hence links to Andrew Bolt or The Australian, for example, will be disregarded.

Come up with some good evidence. Or shut up.

Over to you.

623 comments on “The ‘Right’ to be heard

  1. Migs, are you going to delete or just ignore comments that don’t fit the criterion, cos if you are going to delete them, then this should be the last one.

    Cheers 😆 😆 😆

  2. Abbott has been charged with Indecent Assault, Assault, Vandalism & now Defamation. He was also responsible for setting up the slush fund known as “Australians for Honest Politics”, to bring down One Nation, & lied to the press on numerous occasions about it, yet we’re meant to believe he’s as pure as the driven snow. Then look at his Deputy, someone who sought to delay court cases for asbestos sufferers in order to save her clients-CSR-money. She also advised her partner, Nattass (Lord Mayor of Perth) when he was being accused of corruption. Nattass’ memory lapses in regards to seeking a police report on his political opponent didn’t seem to bother Bishop.

  3. Miglo, you ask for us to justify our position while your supporters dish up this level of debate!

    “Any damage done to Labor is damage done to your own grandkids’ way of life. The Lieberals will exploit every opportunity to set in place a third world style workplace regime that will make their lives hell. But ‘cheer’ on, retard, you won’t experience the harm yourself, but your grandkids will live it… And the same goes to every despicable Fiberal troll that drags their filth across these and other pages”

    If it’s good enough for Cuppa and CU to link to ABC and for Mobius to link to Real Climate etc and post drivel like the above then you can ill afford to take the high ground. All sources of information in the real world are equally relevant.

  4. Their media doesn’t exactly invite opposing viewpoints.

    Try calling a “talkback” radio session as a progressive, and you will be abused, mocked, talked over and cut short. Then the libjock “host” will “open the lines” and let the slavering liberal listeners pile on like protected hyenas going on a pack attack.

    So they should consider themselves very fortunate that Miglo has opened a thread for them to put up or shut up. They’d better be respectful and comply with the terms stated.

    There’s a great cartoon by David Rowe in today’s Australian Financial Review. Click the link to see it:

  5. SEXISM CLAIMED, AGAIN
    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php

    Hate media veteran Mark Baker summarises recent Parliamentary events:
    The Prime Minister and her minders are masters at splitting hairs and using the delicate strands to weave grand rhetorical constructions in the hope of dodging inconvenient truths.

    In August a small slip in The Australian newspaper – in which an association was wrongly described as a trust fund – was enough for Ms Gillard to pocket an apology, claim the high moral ground and open fire on a raft of well-sourced revelations about the AWU slush fund scandal.

    On Thursday she was at it again …
    Do read on. And now a door opens:
    The Prime Minister finished the parliamentary year yesterday with calls for a judicial inquiry into union corruption after extraordinary scenes in parliament.

    Some nervous Labor MPs fear an inquiry under a Coalition government would look at the AWU affair, which has plagued the government this week, and also at MP Craig Thomson’s former union – the scandal-ridden HSU.
    As for the PM herself:
    She said even Mr Abbott’s response to her now world-famous speech about misogyny and sexism had been sexist.
    Double sexism!

    (Via CL, who emails: “This has a really sad, George Costanza quality to it. Gillard failed to deliver another ‘world famous’ rebuttal yesterday and though the moment has passed she is essentially telling Abbott via Taylor that The Jerk Store Called.

    “And she wasn’t ‘standing up for her rights.’ She was actually standing up for Peter Slipper. Even her mendacity is mendacious.”)

  6. Abbott has had a few lies exposed

    A few, that’s way underestimating it. Even if you just count the outright big lies that number would be significant.

    Just yesterday morning in his presser he swaggered to in the height of arrogance he rattled of jumbled nonsense containing a string of lies.

  7. When it comes to incompetence you need go no further than the creation of a tax that collects no revenue:

    Migs

    Iain, any chance you might want to admit that Abbott has had a few lies exposed?
    I maybe mistaken but isn’t this thread supposed to be devoted to we conservatives posting evidence of Labor Lies and incompetence?

  8. Oh &, almost on cue, here come Factless troll to spout his usual Right Wing nonsense. First, he uses a crappy, Right Wing YouTube video-one which deliberately misrepresents Labor’s position on a Carbon Price leading into the 2010 election (first of all, she clearly stated on more than one occasion that she was going to put a price on carbon in this term of office (not a tax, but a trading scheme), second of all, things change when you’re faced with a minority government). Then he shows another YouTube video of a single, disgruntled voter talking to Gillard, as if that proves his point. Yet I’d counter the craptastic efforts of Factless troll by reminding him of all the lies & corruption which were the hallmark of the Howard Government-like “GST, never EVER”, “no full priced fees for degrees”, his pledge on Ministerial Codes of Conduct, Government Advertising & Foreign Debt (all abandoned within less than a year of being elected), “Core vs Non-Core” promises, his lies about WorkChoices, the impacts of the Wik Agreement, “Children Overboard” & Manildra, his Ministers lies regarding “Australians for Honest Politics”, “Children Overboard”, AWB, Haneef & Mamdou Habib…..and the list just goes on & on. Not that things improved after Howard left. Turnbull got caught out using a faked treasury document to try & bring down a legitimate government, Abbott & Co made various pledges to raise the standard of parliament-by signing a written agreement-an agreement that he & his fellow MP’s have flagrantly broken on numerous occasions. The lies of Bishop, Pyne & Brough in relation to their meetings with the likes of Ashby (& Bishop’s lies regarding her meeting with a certain dodgy ex-union official), the Coalition’s attempts to claim their costings had been properly audited, when it fact they hadn’t been, & had in fact only been viewed by an incredibly dodgy accounting firm. Seriously, Factless Troll, you’re as bad as your Lord & Master when it comes to making ridiculous statements without proper supporting evidence.

    BTW, Iain, why didn’t you show the video of Abbott being called a dickhead by a voter? Oh, of course, it’s because you’re too Far Right to be even remotely balanced.

  9. So this is to be a war of YouTubes and pictures.

    I’m afraid that is one that those supporting the coward Abbott can never win. The interwebs are littered with images and videos of Abbott’s lies. malfeasances, backflips, screwed up faces, brain farts, running away from questions, from parliament and it goes on.

    All actual events and not misrepresentations.

  10. Katharine Murpy, The Age, 19 July 2010

    Near-naked man braves Melbourne chill to confront Abbott

    Tony Abbott has been accosted by a protester dressed only in red speedos during a walk through the Knox City Centre Shopping Centre in Melbourne’s east this afternoon.

    As the Opposition Leader met voters, flanked by the candidate for the seat of Aston, Alan Tudge, the young man confronted Mr Abbott, shouting: “Do you like the cut of my Speedos?”

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/nearnaked-man-braves-melbourne-chill-to-confront-abbott-20100719-10hg6.html

  11. “When it comes to incompetence you need go no further than the creation of a tax that collects no revenue”

    LOL, Factless Troll, you’re a complete *moron*. First of all the only people making such claims are your Right Wing mates in the Murdoch Press. It is yet to be independently verified. Second of all, it’s only been in operation a few months, & most of the companies targeted are currently directing all their profits into new ventures, meaning their payments were *expected* to be lower. Third, if it does turn out that the MRRT raises no revenue in its first full year of operation, then all that proves is how many LIES your side of the political fence have been telling for nearly 3 whole years about this tax. Much like the LIES they were telling about the price on Carbon.

    Last of all, if I want evidence of outright incompetence, I can’t go any further than the GST, which was an utter dogs breakfast which drove up inflation, almost destroyed the housing industry, & which had to be modified several times in its first 12 months of operation.

    Once again, Factless Troll, you’ve proven nothing except what a one-eyed imbecile you are!

  12. On the topic of incompetence we should never forget that Labor made Slipper speaker

    Yes, Labor have shown their incompetence by choosing a Liberal

    😆

  13. Marcus 12:54 pm

    “When it comes to incompetence you need go no further than the creation of a tax that collects no revenue” LOL, Factless Troll, you’re a complete *moron*. First of all the only people making such claims are your Right Wing mates in the Murdoch Press. It is yet to be independently verified. Second of all, it’s only been in operation a few months, & most of the companies targeted are currently directing all their profits into new ventures, meaning their payments were *expected* to be lower.

    Try telling that to Swan who was BOASTING far and wide what a great little earner the mrrt would be

    Third, if it does turn out that the MRRT raises no revenue in its first full year of operation, then all that proves is how many LIES your side of the political fence have been telling for nearly 3 whole years about this tax. Much like the LIES they were telling about the price on Carbon.

    How does that follow?

    Last of all, if I want evidence of outright incompetence, I can’t go any further than the GST, which was an utter dogs breakfast which drove up inflation, almost destroyed the housing industry, & which had to be modified several times in its first 12 months of operation.

    Not so its a simple and reasonably well accepted tax regime that has at the very least restored dignity to state administrations who no longer have to go cap in hand to Canberra every year

    Once again, Factless Troll, you’ve proven nothing except what a one-eyed imbecile you are!

    Yawn!

  14. …or why Abbott would make a better Prime Minister…

    Notice that they haven’t tried to defend Abbott in any way. It’s just been hate-gillard-hate-labor.

    That right winger spammers won’t direct any of their boundless spin behind the wingnut says a lot, IMO. I guess they’re happy leaving that up to the shameless shills of “talkback” radio and the yellow press.

  15. “How does that follow?”

    LOL, if I have to point out to you the way the Mining Industry & their Fiberal Party mates lied about how it would be the end of the economy as we know it, then you’re even more stupid than even I had suspected.

    “Not so its a simple and reasonably well accepted tax regime”. Oh dear, you really are thick, aren’t you Factless Troll? There was massive confusion about what the tax was to be applied to, & there were all the problems regarding Business Activity Statements & a “tax on a tax” relating to the GST on the fuel excise-problems which weren’t sorted out until more than a year later-& which was still hurting the Coalition in the polls right up until around August of 2001-yet you want to bitch & moan about a tax that has been in place for less than 6 months-you ignorant twit. Its impact on the Housing Industry was so dire that Howard was forced to bring in the First Home Owners Grant & to cut the Capital Gains Tax on new property sales, just in order to keep the industry alive (though, in another display of incompetence, these policies had the impact of creating a massive housing bubble).

    “Yawn!” Yep, that’s the usual feeling I get when I see another one of your factless, one-eyed posts.

  16. You say…”No doubt inspired by their hero Abbott’s performances (which can be likened to a mad banshee), right-wing bloggers come here imitating his behaviour from the sidelines with the most outrageous comments about how evil and incompetent the Gillard Government is whilst at the same time hoisting Abbott as the new Messiah.”

    I have not seen any hero worship of Abbott here but plenty of hero worship of Gillard and imitating her behaviour which is the likes of trailer trash! Anyone who worships any politician needs to seek help!

    The only ‘banshee’ behaviour I’ve seen lately in Parliament is from Gillard and here by the pissants (see above) that abuse others which indicates they can not debate.

    I see, if one critiques the government one is a right winger but you fail to grasp that there are actually people that are neither right or left, a concept alien to the collective tribalists that litter this and Piers’ sites.

    Nah, I won’t play this silly game as trying to convince a leftist that this government is absolutely awful is like trying to convince a Catholic that there is no God. Pellonians!

  17. “On the topic of incompetence we should never forget that Labor made Slipper speaker”

    How was that a sign of incompetence? The incompetence I’ve seen on display is in the Coalition Dirt Unit’s desperate bid to tarnish Slipper &-by association-the Labor Government. Of course the polls over the last 3-4 months would suggest that this bid has failed badly, with only Abbott’s reputation looking increasingly tarnished. Of course, once the Ashby case inevitably gets thrown out of court, it will be the Coalition saddled with the odour of the incredibly dishonest Ashby (who its already been proven was still firmly in the Coalition camp whilst he was working for Slipper).

    Also, your lies are becoming more transparent. Slipper stood aside-both times-of his OWN ACCORD. Yet, in another sign of the Coalition’s incompetence, this decision has not had their desired effect of bringing down this government. Nor has it prevented this Government from bringing in more policy than in the entire first term of the Coalition back in 1996-1998.

  18. Cuppa

    Notice that they haven’t tried to defend Abbott in any way. It’s just been hate-gillard-hate-labor.

    Its called staying on topic which is the performance of the Labor Government attempts to make it about Abbott are just tacit admissions that you lot can’t actually defend the record of Gillard and Labor.

    Marcus @ 1:25 pm


    “How does that follow?”

    LOL, if I have to point out to you the way the Mining Industry & their Fiberal Party mates lied about how it would be the end of the economy as we know it, then you’re even more stupid than even I had suspected.

    No Marcus we conservatives just don’t run on Labor spin and hyperbole. If the tax does not manage to ever collect any revenue then that makes it doubly bad, in the first instance it will impose a compliance cost on business and in the second it will cost the government money to administer. admittedly neither will be economically fatal but when the government is struggling with its budget it’s not good to add more expense for no more revenue now is it?


    “Not so its a simple and reasonably well accepted tax regime”
    .
    Oh dear, you really are thick, aren’t you Factless Troll? There was massive confusion about what the tax was to be applied to, & there were all the problems regarding Business Activity Statements & a “tax on a tax” relating to the GST on the fuel excise-problems which weren’t sorted out until more than a year later-& which was still hurting the Coalition in the polls right up until around August of 2001-yet you want to bitch & moan about a tax that has been in place for less than 6 months-you ignorant twit. Its impact on the Housing Industry was so dire that Howard was forced to bring in the First Home Owners Grant & to cut the Capital Gains Tax on new property sales, just in order to keep the industry alive (though, in another display of incompetence, these policies had the impact of creating a massive housing bubble).

    Now you are making me Laugh! The GST certainly had some teething problems but it’s now I am talking about and who complains about it these days? for all intents and purposes no one does!


    scaper… @ 1:29 pm

    I have not seen any hero worship of Abbott here but plenty of hero worship of Gillard and imitating her behaviour which is the likes of trailer trash! Anyone who worships any politician needs to seek help!


    spot on!

    The only ‘banshee’ behaviour I’ve seen lately in Parliament is from Gillard and here by the pissants (see above) that abuse others which indicates they can not debate.

    Hear Hear!

    Marcus @ 1:30 pm

    How was that a sign of incompetence? The incompetence I’ve seen on display is in the Coalition Dirt Unit’s desperate bid to tarnish Slipper &-by association-the Labor Government. Of course the polls over the last 3-4 months would suggest that this bid has failed badly, with only Abbott’s reputation looking increasingly tarnished. Of course, once the Ashby case inevitably gets thrown out of court, it will be the Coalition saddled with the odour of the incredibly dishonest Ashby (who its already been proven was still firmly in the Coalition camp whilst he was working for Slipper).

    It’s hard to further tarnish someone ars corroded as Peter Slipper. Now while I agree that he should have been given the boot by the LNP years ago that is a minor matter compared to bribing him with the speakership to turn Rat and then “discovering” that cost of that extra vote is Gillard’s credibility.

    Also, your lies are becoming more transparent. Slipper stood aside-both times-of his OWN ACCORD. Yet, in another sign of the Coalition’s incompetence, this decision has not had their desired effect of bringing down this government. Nor has it prevented this Government from bringing in more policy than in the entire first term of the Coalition back in 1996-1998.

    Spare such nonsense Marcus we all know that he jumped before he was pushed on both ocassions because taht was what he was told to do. That is teh way of politics, you give an embarrasing miscreant the chance to save a little face (which in Slippers’s case is all cheek)in the hope taht he will go quietly into obscuritywhich is precielsy what has happened.

  19. Ricky Boy
    When it comes to the Carbon tax the validity of the AGW theory is entirely a moot point. The real point that we grownups recognise is the breaking of that unequivocal promise given before the election. In fact I defy you o find any comment that can be classified as “climate change denial” even from those of us who are AGW sceptics.

  20. Migs, you must have really hit a nerve, as all the right wing not jobs are coming out of the woodwork.

    Maybe you should have put a medical warning on this post;

    “May contain NUTS” or “May create right wing apoplexy” 😀

    Cheers 😆

  21. It is 2.08 Listening to news on ABC 24. No mention of Mr. Brandis PC or accusations. Why would this be so.

  22. “he called his secret slush fund Australians for Honest Politics”

    Line from Ross’s link above.

    Mr. Brandis has made much of the title of the fund. In fact basing much of his case on it. Claiming that it is misleading and that is a criminal offence.

    Therefore, following Mr. Brandis reasoning, a criminal offence.

    Mr. Abbott’s possible criminality what added to, by him originally lying about having anything to do with the fund or the actions taken.

    He kept this up, until indisputable evidence was produced. Then he laugh the lie off, as being of little consequences.

  23. The MRRT is working as designed. It is a tax on super profits. It was never meant to be otherwise.

    The states have not helped by upping the royalty’s, which by the way, the miners now have to pay, whether they make profits or not.,

    Remember Abbott’s and Co rants, that the tax would destroy the mining industry. Maybe they did not bother to read the bills.

    Yes, it is shocking to have a tax on the books, that only comes into play when one incur super profits.

    Terrible thing that some of the windfall profits should be diverted to the taxpayers. whom own the ore in the ground. That is indeed awful

    Yes, Iain, you are so right..

  24. Ricky Boy
    I am certain that you are younger than I am having read your profile elsewhere having said that you have earned the “boy” epithet more because of your childish behaviour and lack of good graces than your chronological age.

  25. “The Prime Minister and her minders are masters at splitting hairs and using the delicate strands to weave grand rhetorical constructions in the hope of dodging inconvenient truths.”

    Well he should know. as that is what the last two months by this mob have been about.

    Even this morning, the journalist pointer out to Mr. Brandis, that was all he was saying. His own interpretations being put on the so called evidence.

  26. C U
    I am actually all for the people getting their fair share of the fruits of mining which is why I endorse miners having to pay a set amount for each ton of the stuff that they hack out of the ground. To may mind the notion of taxing profits, “super” or otherwise was always a wrong headed on that was likely to be circumvented by “creative accounting” in one way or another. At least with by the ton royalties government revenue would have been assured.

  27. Cuppe, I can think of one or many more that could make a good PM as we have now,

    Getting rid of this PM, will not solve their problems, just make it harder for them.

    This is not a luxury to be found on the other side.

    Would not put it passed this PM to stand aside, if she believed that is what it takes to win the next election.

    Would do it for two reasons, the first to protect all of what she has already achieved, and to protect what she is now proposing.

    The second for the good of the party and country.

    This PM in my opinion, is capable of doing a Gorton.

  28. Just to spice things up lets not forget Gillard’s incompetence on Asylum seekers first there was the Timor solution, that the Timorese knew nothing about until it it was in the Media, then there was the Malaysian solution which fell in a heap.

    Now we have Gillard belatedly taking up most of the Howard system however they have such a backlog of applicants that they just can’t cope at all.

  29. No it is not heroship we have of Gillard. It is respect and admiration for a woman that has manged to survive all that has been sent her way. A woman that has kept her cool under pressure. A woman that will not lie down and die.

    Along the way, the woman has introduced much good policy.. Policies that Mr. Windsor said last night, is the best we have seen in decades. Policies that this country desperately needs.

    we see none of this from Mr. Abbott. What we see there is a promise to pull all down.

  30. By the way, the hero of the right, the wondrous whistle blower lost her power base this week. It seems that the union members decided she is not wanted.

    Slipper and Thomson still not charged with any criminal offences. A unusual result when one considers there are at least three police forces carrying investigations.

    We now, thanks to the Opposition, I believe one into the PM’s actions, or as they say, criminality.

    The question I posed, when did police become a political arm of the Opposition, doing their bidding in at least three states.

  31. CU
    you are splitting hairs :

    It is respect and admiration for a woman that has managed to survive all that has been sent her way. A woman that has kept her cool under pressure. A woman that will not lie down and die.

    That sounds like heroine worship to me 😉

  32. scaper. one you can read anyway. They are digging the hole. The PM is still standing defiant. Still Pm and still getting on with good governance, in spit of the noise from the other side.

    Yes, the parliament is still working, working at full pace.

    The economy is travelling well.

    Good work is continuing.

  33. Iain, it is not ton royalties as far as I know. It has nothing to do with profits.

    Please can someone out there explain how royalties work.

    Is it based on the tonnage dug out of the ground.

  34. “That sounds like heroine worship to me”

    Sounds like giving credit where it is due to me. Yes, as a woman, I do admire a woman able to stand up to men. om her own terms.
    We have seen to many Labor women leaders, destroyed in the states, not to want to see one survive.

    But that is not what this topic is about.

    It is about, I believe, for you to prove to us, why the PM is so bad. To convince us why Mr. Abbott will make the better PM.

    It is not about our opinion of Labor or the PM.

  35. scaper what are you trying to tell us. You are talking in riddles.

    scaper, I will be surprise if there is anything new to come down that chute. If there is, it will be more of what is being delivered by Opposition. Lot of hot air, that

    Another hour and half. listening to ABC 24. Still no mention of Brandis media conference this morning. Surely it has not evaporated into the atmosphere so quickly.

  36. Yes, for once you are right. There are many big wedges in place, that will soon close, wedging someone from the scene. It will NOT be the PM

  37. Hall said this,

    I am actually all for the people getting their fair share of the fruits of mining which is why I endorse miners having to pay a set amount for each ton of the stuff that they hack out of the ground

    Obviously Hall has not read the Mining royalties and statistics, this is just NSW, so the other state are more likely to be similar, it is not just getting paid a set amount for hacking stuff out of the ground, as Hall suggests, It is more complicated than that, each mineral is dealt with separately.

    Here is an ex cert from from the paper.

    Royalties
    Royalty on minerals, other than coal, are either charged on a quantum or ad valorem basis.

    Quantum Royalty
    Quantum royalties are levied on a production basis (i.e. a flat rate royalty is charged per unit of mineral recovered). Please refer to Appendix 2 for the rate applicable to each specific mineral. These rates may change through an amendment to the regulations.

    Ad Valorem Royalty

    Ad valorem royalties are levied at 4% of the total value of minerals recovered, or the ex-mine value.
    The ex-mine value refers to the value of the mineral once it is mined and brought to the surface. In some cases the costs associated with the processing or treatment may be allowable deductions. However, the costs associated with exploration, development and mining of the ore body and the rehabilitation of the site are not allowable deductions. Appendix 1 provides more details on assessable income and allowable deductions..

    Here is a link to the site. http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/218482/Mining-royalties-and-statistics-in-NSW-Guidelines-for-compliance-Non-coal.pdf

  38. CU, I disagree that it will be the Libs that will be wedged. We have entered new grounds as far as politics is concerned. The era of not holding previous government to account has ended.

    Would have been most interesting five years ago.

    Have met Brandis on various occasions…he will be at a function in a week that I’m attending. Should be a hoot.

  39. One of Rudd’s mistakes in my opinion is that unlike previous governments, he did not hold the Howard government to account..far too forgiving.

  40. As for all the comments that the right wing trolls have put on here, I have yet to see any of the say, “Why Tony Abbott would be a better PM”.

    Is it because there is no information out there to say that he would be a good PM.

  41. Why don’t you go and get a real job. All you speak is left-wing garbage

    Well, that’s not the sort of evidence I was hoping for from the right-wingers. But such a response is unsurprising coming from you mob.

  42. Iain, any chance you might want to admit that Abbott has had a few lies exposed?
    I maybe mistaken but isn’t this thread supposed to be devoted to we conservatives posting evidence of Labor Lies and incompetence?

    I was hoping that this thread would be an avenue for you to point out why Abbott would be a good PM. His history of lies would certainly go against him. Or is it OK with you that he is a compulsive, gutless liar?

  43. Migs, all employers should employ a right wing troll Now… while they know everything!

    Nyaaaaahahahahah 😆 🙄 😆 🙄

    Sorry I couldn’t help myself.

    Cheers 😀

  44. Miglo, congratulations on a very lively topic.

    To be honest, Cu, I wasn’t expecting any contributions from the right-wingers. After all, what evidence can they produce?

    Nothing, obviously.

  45. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-30/abbott-leaves-specifics-to-brandis-on-awu-affair/4401240
    Abbott leaves specifics to Brandis on AWU affair
    Posted 2 hours 51 minutes ago

    Tony Abbott repeats George Brandis’ call for a judicial inquiry into the AWU affair, but leaves it to the shadow Attorney-General to comment on which specific laws have been broken.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-30/brandis-grilled-by-press-gallery-over-awu-details/4400806

    Shadow Attorney-General George Brandis faces questions about the Coalition’s approach to prosecuting the AWU affair.

    Why are these not being replayed, as is usual.

  46. Sorry I could not get the videos but they are on those links.

    Once again,. why are the not being replayed?????????????????.

  47. I had a lovely morning away from the TV and computer. When I returned after three, I expected to see some follow up on both of these stories. Not thing to be found.

  48. Another reason Abbott should not be PM

    Now it’s Abbott with questions to answer
    The Opposition had nowhere else to go but ‘up and up and up’ (AAP)
    Now it’s Abbott with questions to answer An allegation of criminality (yet alone one against a Prime Minister) should not be made lightly, but it’s now clear Tony Abbott was acting on a single erroneous news report, writes Jenny Hocking.

  49. BRYAN DAWE: What’s Abbott doing, do you think? I mean, why didn’t he bring himself on earlier?

    JOHN CLARKE: Yeah, very, very strange bitta captaincy, this, from Abbott.

    BRYAN DAWE: I mean, he just watched Bishop getting belted all over the park the other day.

    JOHN CLARKE: Yeah, watched her getting carted all over the ground.

    BRYAN DAWE: He didn’t even bowl.

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3643812.htm

  50. No real original discussion from the rightards…just more recycled long since debunked right wing spin. It’s not real evidence, just political bluster really.
    Why is it when clear unequivocal is asked for do they resort to these methods? Largely because really they have none. No serious policy agenda for this country, just cut and burn negativity with media fueled smear and innuendo to round out the rhetorical collection.
    Quite honestly I think Australians are after originality and vision…..not more politics of the same.type of bile and negativity. Instead of couching the Parliament in what he lost in 2010 and be defined by what he didn’t achieve Abbott could have more successfully held Labor accountable with a bold POSITIVE policy formula…not just bitter sour grapes rantings. His personal popularity maybe at a different level too if that had happened. But now, his negativity is giving license to a new form of gutter politics and plays much more to those in society who better represent the constituency of Pauline Hanson
    I think you got your answer in these posts…..a big fat nothing…

  51. My mouth fell open when I heard Abbott’s final flourish in Thursday’s speech denouncing Gillard as unfit for office. I remembered, suddenly, vividly, Tony Abbott’s very own slush fund. Could he too have forgotten?

    It’s ancient history now, Abbott’s slush fund ― but less ancient than the slush fund now in the news. And there’s many unanswered questions about it, and him.

    In 1998, Abbott privately agreed to bankroll Terry Sharples, a disaffected One Nation member, to take legal action against Pauline Hanson.

    Less than 2 weeks later, he categorically denied to the ABC that he had done so, and 18 months later he repeated the lie, this time to the Sydney Morning Herald’s Deborah Snow. But when she
    confronted him with his signed personal guarantee, he said that:

    ‘…misleading the ABC is not quite the same as misleading the Parliament as a political crime’.

    He then created a slush fund he called Australians for Honest Politics and raised $100,000 for it from 12 people he declined to name. The fund began bankrolling more court actions against Hanson and her party.

    And there it rested, his lies largely unknown to the public, until court proceedings by Sharples he’d helped kick-start finally resulted in her being jailed.

    The overwhelming majority of Australians, like her or h….

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/tony-abbott-and-his-slushy-question-of-character/

  52. Sensible debate with Chris Bowen and Arthur Sindonis on-ABC Capital Hill on migration. Yes, a serious one.

  53. Migs

    I was hoping that this thread would be an avenue for you to point out why Abbott would be a good PM. His history of lies would certainly go against him. Or is it OK with you that he is a compulsive, gutless liar?

    Tony Abbott may be the topic of most of your posts here but I thought that this was a post about the current government so that is what I remain focused on.
    Compared to Gillard and Labor even blind Freddy can see that Abbott is a paragon of veracity.

  54. Hall Said this

    Compared to Gillard and Labor even blind Freddy can see that Abbott is a paragon of veracity.

    That is not a reason on why Abbott would be a better PM, How about supplying some actual facts on why he would be a better PM

  55. Hall, this could be you moment of glory if you could actually provide the world as to why Abbott would be a better PM, the challenge is now up to you.

  56. Mark, I believe you could be correct. They have nothing. We know that Mr. Howard had many ideas, he just did not want us to know. I do not believe that is the case today. It is stunts, nothing but stunts, that lead nowhere.

    Sindonis answers are interesting ABC24 , Considering the role he plays in the Libs, is he preparing the groundwork for change.

    Nicest discussion I have heard in what seems years.
    ]

  57. Iain, to remind you of the topic. Why would one set up a post, that encourage one just to repeat shit. That is all that is happening. Tell us why what you are accusing the PM is so bad. Not, just that it is,

    Yes, nothing new yet.

    This was what happened when the PM gave 20 minutes extra in QT Wednesday, and 15 minutes, uninterrupted yesterday.

    Absolutely nothing added to the accusation. No evidence bought forwarded.

    Then Abbott and Brandis go outside

    If Mr. Abbott had spoke in this manner yesterday, I believe we would have seen some interesting theatre within the house.

    Mr. Abbott could have been held to account.

    Outside the house, all that can occur is to take court action, which is a lengthy affair. Not something a PM would consider lightly, making it safe for them to say what they like.

  58. Oh dear, still not a word of defense from the rightards for Abbott. The right wingers, for all their torrents of spin and recital of discredited talking points, won’t even try to defend the indefensible.

    So, as they won’t even dip their toe in the water of making a case as to why Abbott would be a better PM (I feel unclean just writing that phrase) then by default it’s acknowledged that Gillard is the better person for the job.

    Which sensible people knew all along, of course.

  59. BRYAN DAWE: Sure. What about Turnbull?

    JOHN CLARKE: Well, still carrying a hockey injury, Bryan, and not playing.

    BRYAN DAWE: And what was Pyne doing?

    JOHN CLARKE: I think Pyne’s gonna have to have a look at himself, Bryan. I’ve been watching Pyne. Pyne needs to have a very good look at himself.

    BRYAN DAWE: Isn’t that the problem?..

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3643812.htm

  60. Oh Abbott has more veracity because his slush fund was morally corrupt and he set it up to be so, then hiding the names and wherewithal behind him, and still refused to this day to come clean, something he’s demanding Gillard do on something 20 years old.

    Gillard’s was a legal fund that was used corruptly without her knowledge, and that’s been proven several times.

    There in one hit you have the warped and twisted logic or a mindless blind follower of the Right.

    Further to that the Right have more veracity because in the past all they did was wait for compensation claimants to die so their client would have less to pay out, and they went out with blokes like Lightfoot and Peter Nattrass who strangely and illegally ended up with the criminal record of a another candidate, a criminal record a certain Liberal deputy leader had access to at the time.

    At this moment the backfire on Abbott is in progress as the focus is now being put squarely on his deputy’s past and the spillover that will splash Abbott, let alone his own past in shady slush fund dealings.

    Abbott needs to be very wary about calling for a judicial enquiry into the setting up of slush funds for if the terms of reference are made wide enough he will be caught in the net and he is the only one who has something to worry about on this front.

  61. Bruce Haigh, Canberra Times, 23 October 2012:

    …Abbott does not want us to think; he wants us to react with negative emotion, towards asylum seekers, the carbon tax or whatever issue he seeks to use in order to prosecute his political agenda. He crudely uses the political tool of fear that Howard deployed. He believes he has learnt from his master, but he goes too far.

    Misogynist, sexist, religious fundamentalist, shallow, aggressive, dishonest, coward, blustering bully, Bruce Haigh nails the Rabbott. Good piece, read it in full here:

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/politics/a-thirst-for-power-lies-at-the-heart-of-abbotts-agenda-20121022-2818x.html

  62. Scraper $2.00 per day is awfully generous, don’t you think? They can get a cup of rice for a buck, what do they need two bucks for?

  63. letter from another site,

    I see a pattern emerging here.just look back on the last year of the performance of the LNP. We had the Slipper affair where it started that Christopher Pyne said he had no contact with Ashby but then when the emails were discovered, it was oh that contact… and it was all OK; then Mal Brough said he had no contact with Ashby and then had to admit he had met with Ashby three times… then we had Bishop this week saying that she had only met with Blewitt once then she had to say that she had a telephone conversation with someone for three to four minutes and didn’t know who she was talking to? Gee what was she talking about? Was it the weather and she didn’t need to know the person on the other end of the phone? Where is Bishop fronting the media to answer questions about this – the PM does this to answer the difficult questions. Where was Abbott fronting the media to answer questions about hitting the wall?
    Now that brief analysis was only about the last year of lies for the LNP look back a bit in history and you see that they’re riddled with this behaviour, children overboard, WMD, wheat board… the list goes on.
    LNP = no policies, no vision, no idea….

    Commenter
    n720ute
    Location
    North Coast NSW
    Date and time
    November 30, 2012, 9:56AM

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/politics/gillard-winged-but-still-flying-20121129-2aimg.html#ixzz2Dgvh6J4k

  64. Pretty much *scrolled* most of that…..which ‘may’ mean I missed the 😆 evidence …. 😀 ….. the bit I especially liked ( as Migs pointed out ) “Why don’t you go and get a real job. All you speak is left-wing garbage.” ….. simple….. and to the point…….. did I mention simple …….. 😀 ….. talk aboot Curry’n favour….. Curry has such ‘aspirations’……( The Aspirational Voter poem)….. my bad…. 😀

  65. It has now been 6 hours and still not a word from the fact less trolls, must be burning the midnight oil trying to find something positive on Abbott.

    I found something positive.

  66. LOVO, thanks for your reference to an earlier post of mine when I was “Skeptical”, and I can see the relevance to some of those posting here, so to save them the effort, I shall re-post for their edification now that I am “Truth Seeker”.

    Cheers 😀

    The Aspirational Voter

    The aspirational voter…. is a funny little thing
    It dreams of eating caviar.. and wearing lots of bling
    Drinking aspirational beer… from a glass like a champagne flute
    While using old newspapers.. to block holes.. in his worn out boot
    And residing in a single bedroom…. ground floor flat
    While looking at the penthouse saying… one day I’ll have that

    Working late…. flipping burgers.. at the local.. drive through
    While looking down his nose…. at the likes of me and you
    With no great skills or intellect… and not much else within
    He’ll still extol the virtues… of the.. right.. wing.. spin
    As he drives home in his rusted out.. Hyundai Excel
    While ignoring all the rattles… and the take away smell

    And dreaming of an Audi… from the front seat of his car
    With the VOTE 1 LNP sticker covering… rust on it’s bumper bar
    And he goes to all the meetings… of the local LNP
    And he’ll hand out how to vote cards.. just to prove his loyalty
    When elections roll around… and the local booths need manning
    In the wind and rain or…. sweltering heat.. his future he’ll be planning

    And they’ll thank him for his efforts… and they’ll shake his calloused hand
    And invite him to their BBQ… to reward him for his stand
    Then it’s back to flipping burgers… for another working day
    And his dream of becoming manager… to escape his minimum pay
    But as the years slip slowly by…. and his job remains the same
    And he sees new candidates come and go…. his aspirations wain

    And after years of faithful service… to his local LNP mob
    His small business owner boss decides… he’s no longer got a job
    So he drives his old excel…… to his local Centrelink
    Where he fills out heaps of forms…… then he goes home for a drink
    But the fridge is nearly empty… and the cupboards are all bare
    And his aspirational attitude quickly turns…. into despair

    So after days of racking brains, he thinks… “I’ll call me LNP mate”
    The one who just got nominated…. as the local candidate
    So he rings him up and asks him…. “could you help me find some work?”
    But his so called mate… from the LNP… turns out to be a jerk
    So he looks around.. and finally finds.. a job in a factory
    And he stays there till retirement….. and he’s still in the LNP

    So he never gets his penthouse… and his excell’s long since dead
    And the cuts made by his right wing mates…. means he’s barely even fed
    And when the winters chill sets in,……his heater just stays off
    So he wraps himself in blankets….. to avoid the winters cough
    But pneumonia proves his great demise…. and from his dying bed
    He looks back with regret…. upon the wasted life… he’s led

    His so called mates left long before… when he ceased to be of worth
    And he realised… poverty like prosperity…. was an accident of birth
    And his life of aspiration… was a life of lost endeavour
    As he helped fulfil other peoples dreams… while his own were lost forever
    And the message on his gravestone reads… “To the LNP be true
    If you are rich or ruthless,….. otherwise it’s really not for you
    Cos they’ll use you up… and spit you out….. and move on to the next
    While you lay there on your dying bed…… feeling lonely.. and perplexed
    So think long and hard… you aspirational lot… before you join their ranks,
    As a handshake and a BBQ….. will be your only thanks.
    And a life of service to the LNP…… just isn’t worth a kipper
    For there are no real friends in the radical right… just ask… Peter Slipper.”

    Cheers “grin: 😀

  67. paulwello@ 5:49 pm

    Hall Said this

    Compared to Gillard and Labor even blind Freddy can see that Abbott is a paragon of veracity.

    That is not a reason on why Abbott would be a better PM, How about supplying some actual facts on why he would be a better PM

    One can provides facts about something that has actually happened,or about something that is happening now but it is utterly impossible to supply “facts” about something that may happen in the future. All that anyone can do is share your speculations about what you imagine will happen. So when it comes to the possibilities of future leadership we must go to questions of character and on that score there is little doubt that Tony Abbott is well in the running to be a competent administrator based upon his history as a senior minister in the Howard government. Given the many tales of Labor mismanagement on their grand schemes sound administration is what the country needs more than anything else.

    paulwello @ 5:52 pm

    Hall, this could be you moment of glory if you could actually provide the world as to why Abbott would be a better PM, the challenge is now up to you.

    Let me return the Favour Paul how about you explain why we should re-elect the Labor government, what are its, Ah hem, “virtues” and why do you think then virtuous enough for the Australian people to give them another go?
    Come on this is thread about Gillard and Labor and you have done your usual “prove Abbott would be a better PM” chant so show this poor humble blogger just what standard of proof your require by doing what you ask me show about Abbott for Gillard and Labor.
    Come on Paul are you able to do what you ask of others????

    Catching up @ 6:07 pm

    Iain, to remind you of the topic. Why would one set up a post, that encourage one just to repeat shit. That is all that is happening. Tell us why what you are accusing the PM is so bad. Not, just that it is,

    Yes, nothing new yet.

    All of the evidence that has been emerging has been about the character of the PM more than anything and it shows her incredible lack of good judgement, be it abut the man she took to her bed while she was a partner at Slater and Gordon (how ethical is it to have a sexual relationship with a client anyway?) To setting up an incorporated entity that she knew was not to be used for the purpose suggested by its title. The thing for me is that I see precisely the same sort of bad judgement in some of her actions as PM, The Carbon tax back flip is one such as is the continuing Asylum seeker Saga

    Cuppa @ 6:09 pm

    Oh dear, still not a word of defense from the rightards for Abbott. The right wingers, for all their torrents of spin and recital of discredited talking points, won’t even try to defend the indefensible.

    Abbot is not the topic here

    So, as they won’t even dip their toe in the water of making a case as to why Abbott would be a better PM (I feel unclean just writing that phrase) then by default it’s acknowledged that Gillard is the better person for the job.

    I give you the same challenge as I gave Paul then:

    So, as they won’t even dip their toe in the water of making a case as to why Gillard would be a better PM (I feel unclean just writing that phrase) then by default it’s acknowledged that Abbott is the better person for the job.

    Which sensible people knew all along, of course.

    😉

    Möbius Ecko @ 6:24 pm

    Oh Abbott has more veracity because his slush fund was morally corrupt and he set it up to be so, then hiding the names and wherewithal behind him, and still refused to this day to come clean, something he’s demanding Gillard do on something 20 years old.

    Its a false comparison that you draw Möbius because the AWU fund was set up as a conduit for moving money obtained by fraud and so Blewitt and Wilson could steal that cash, The fund set up by Abbott to combat the scourge of One Nation and some how I doubt that you would disagree with its Raison detre if it had been set up by say Gillard.

    Gillard’s was a legal fund that was used corruptly without her knowledge, and that’s been proven several times.

    There you get to the crux of the matter and also the problem that Gillard’s defenders have as they try to spin all of the negative details that keep emerging about Gillard’s involvement in the scam. frankly I find that her sergeant Schultz “I see nothing” claims rather disturbing. She was in an intimate relationship with Wilson for four years and she never knew for all that time that he was a crook? only at the very end when his schemes came to the attention of her employers did she realise that he was well dodgy? Pull the other one Möbius!

    Its like this if she knew and did nothing it reflects badly on her, and if she did not know because he duped her then that is hardly any better now is it?

    There in one hit you have the warped and twisted logic or a mindless blind follower of the Right.

    No not at all

    Further to that the Right have more veracity because in the past all they did was wait for compensation claimants to die so their client would have less to pay out, and they went out with blokes like Lightfoot and Peter Nattrass who strangely and illegally ended up with the criminal record of a another candidate, a criminal record a certain Liberal deputy leader had access to at the time.

    If you want to compare criminality of party members then take a visit to Queensland where we have a couple of ex-Labor ministers doing time for corruption and one doing time for Kiddie fiddling Yep that is the ALP for you…

    At this moment the backfire on Abbott is in progress as the focus is now being put squarely on his deputy’s past and the spillover that will splash Abbott, let alone his own past in shady slush fund dealings.

    This is just a shallow attempt at distraction and of no consequence

    Abbott needs to be very wary about calling for a judicial enquiry into the setting up of slush funds for if the terms of reference are made wide enough he will be caught in the net and he is the only one who has something to worry about on this front.


    In yer dreams Möbius!

  68. Iaian Hall,

    Abbot is not the topic here

    Abbott IS ONE of the topics here. It’s not just a hategillardhatelabor thread, so open your other eye. Scroll up to Miglo’s opening remarks in the thread-opnener.

    … or why Abbott would make a better Prime Minister

    You talk about challenges; you rightards have failed to step up to the challenge (even denied it exists!), even when invited more than once.

  69. Come on this is thread about Gillard and Labor
    and
    Abbot is not the topic here

    Now direct from Migs’ post for this topic:

    I devote this thread to them where they can add some substance to their claims that Gillard is evil, the Government is toxic or why Abbott would make a better Prime Minister.

    It seems that once again all Mr Hall has proved is his lack of reading or comprehension skills. 🙄

  70. Here’s something a bloke with high end comprehension and reading skills has to say about it all…

    “THE final parliamentary week of 2012 was dominated by the stunning political persona of Julia Gillard – fierce, feminist and unrestrained – whose will-to-survival is Labor’s last, best but highly dangerous hope.

    The real Julia is unleashed in her self-righteous fury and calculated aggression. Her voice now bounces across the summer landscape invading homes, hotels and workplaces. Her arch opponent, Tony Abbott, is traduced as sexist, relentlessly negative and an agent of smear as the nation divides between those who applaud Julia and those appalled by her”

    Count me in the ranks of the appalled…There is no-one in my extensive network who is not.

  71. Cuppa & Bacchus
    The word that you failed to embolden was “Or” which makes it clear that readers have a clear choice of just what they will focus their comments on. That you and others want to shift the focus to your favourite topic of Abbott bashing clearly demonstrates your inability to defend Gillard.
    In any event I have provided good reasons to choose Abbott over Gillard in several of my previous comments. That you are unconvinced does not mean that I or other conservatives here have failed it just means that your minds are closed to the possibility that Gillard may just be the worst Prime Minister since federation.

  72. CU

    “My mouth fell open when I heard Abbott’s final flourish in Thursday’s speech denouncing Gillard as unfit for office”

    We all stood up and applauded… a shout went out around the office, into the streets and continued long into the night at watering holes around the country!

  73. “That you and others want to shift the focus to your favourite topic of Abbott bashing clearly demonstrates your inability to defend Gillard…That you are unconvinced does not mean that I or other conservatives here have failed it just means that your minds are closed to the possibility that Gillard may just be the worst Prime Minister since federation”

    Agree on both counts and take it a step further…you lot must be deluded if you find the last weeks effort by Gillard in any way befitting a prime minister of this country! SUB PRIME is indeed a great nomme de plume for her.

  74. No, you said Abbott is not THE topic here, as though to imply there is ONE topic. There isn’t one topic, there are TWO topics. And the rightards have dodged one of the topics all along.

    You’ve had your chance to make a case why Abbott is better. Not only have you failed to take up the offer, you have even denied the offer EXISTS.

    Therefore it follows that, even on repeated invitations, you cannot (will not) make a case that Abbott is better, then it’s an implicit concession that he’s worse – in other words, GILLARD is better.

  75. The troll doesn’t comprehend the language (I think) we all use
    @Migs

    I devote this thread to them where they can add some substance to their claims that Gillard is evil, the Government is toxic or why Abbott would make a better Prime Minister.

    it states

    Come on this is thread about Gillard and Labor

    once again. courtesy of Migs

    Come up with some good evidence. Or shut up.

    seems reasonable to me 😆

  76. I will never cease to be amazed that people still engage in debate with a narcissistic half wit like Iain Hall. His ramblings are the stuff of legend in blogdom. I am totally confused that anyone takes him serious. The man is a know all with out peer.

    His rhetoric seems to increase with the ever increasing stark reality, that Gillard has gone from being annihilated at the polls, to now odds on winning the next election

    The poor man must have a deep seated perception problem, Gillard wiped the floors of parliament with Abbott over the union slush fund saga this week,, and showed up Bishop as being the most incompetent member of the shadow front bench.

    But even worse, Hall thinks Abbott’s involvement in a slush fund that was denied by him at the time, was just fine. Are we allowed to say Hall is a prize wanker on here?

  77. Cuppa
    what THE topic is on any thread is not something that is forever fixed and rigidly defined by the author of the original headline piece. It is instead something that is defined by those of who comment in the attached thread, now for once a thread here at the Cafe gives us conservatives an opportunity to be consistently critical of Gillard and you minions of the left seem to moved to panic stations by our unwillingness to let the thread drift onto ground more to your liking, namely the merits of an Abbott Government. Well you are asking us to discus a history as yet unlived and compare it to one that will be little celebrated .

  78. Tree Hall, Sub Prime prize wankers…… mortgaged their ‘idiotlogical stance’ to the RWinga’s, and all they bring to this thread is GFC……………..great f* codswollop…
    Put up = *fail* …. as for shut-up… over to you(se) Troll :rol:

  79. PJ
    need I remind you that playing the man rather than the ball means that you automatically lose the argument?

    Oh I just love the way that you suggest that my ” rhetoric increases” which demonstrates how you misunderstand the meaning of the word “rhetoric”

  80. The right to be heard except if you are Blewitt’s sister.

    So the press knew of the story about Blewitt all last week but no reporting or challenge to Bishop on the “character” of the witness. No, the new evidence only emerges when Blewitt flies back to his hole in Malaysia and Bishop is no where to be found.

  81. Treeman, take a look at Mike’s place. Gillard, on more than one occasion has said that she was not part of the Socialist Forum but just a typist to earn some money whilst at Uni.

    Now documentary evidence has emerged that she was in it up to her long nose! Is there anything in her version of her past that is the truth? The Boulder affair is getting legs.

    Enough material to keep the campaign going until the next election. The slow burn will render her charcoal!

  82. Will Mike Smith do an expose on Blewitt? I’ll rely on the rightwing visitors to fill us in. Nowicki still considers Blewitt a mate, so he won’t pay for an investigation, even though he paid for incidentals. And Smith had been following/escorting Blewitt all over Melbourne as he procures media exposure, so should have a bit on an idea about his character. So i suggest to those visitors to the Cafe, one of you could generously sponsor Smith to complete the picture.

  83. I reckon you can P.J. Hall really is ‘blind in one eye and can’t see out of the other’. The only other eye that is left for him to use is that which is full of s..t.
    TS your prose is truly appropriate. Having once, many many moons ago, been a loyal Liberal supporter, I rejoined the regular workforce from being a small business owner. What I found then was that Big business had decided that share holders were more important that the people who were actually helping them to make their profits. I became a swinging voter – then became a union delegate to help my fellow workers. I learned a lot from that experience I can tell you.
    The LNP isn’t anything like the old Liberal Party and with this current leader of the opposition and his totally incompetent front bench (hand picked by him) he is most certainly NOT the person to lead this country into the future.
    The fact that all that he has produced in these past few years is fear about almost everything should make people feel as mad as hell. None of us want to live in the past or go back to government that was more duplicitous, opaque and only looking after the big end of town. There are only a small number of ‘great bosses’ who really care about their workforce and they should be congratulated on having the foresight to see that happy workers are loyal and hardworking who love to help keep their businesses afloat (Lindsay Fox comes to mind).
    Migs asked for all of the right wing rusted on wing nuts to give us some good reasons as to why Abbott should be the next PM. They can’t because deep down inside they just may be starting to feel fear, the fear that their so called fearless leader is just a figment of their imagination.
    The PM we have now is not always perfect. No one is. But she is running a business (the government) that has a proven track record of producing some great legislated outcomes for the future of this country. The Asylum Seeker problem that will never go away is one of the biggest hurdles for try to find a solution for and that will take time, re-negotiations and a lot of patience. Apart from that, the rest speaks for itself.
    What has Abbott got? No policies, a nasty attitude and propensity to lie and coverup. That is no way to run a country.

  84. Sandra wrote:

    What has Abbott got? No policies, a nasty attitude and propensity to lie and coverup

    This should be Labor’s new slogan:

    LNP: Lies Not Policies

  85. Blewitt has already exposed himself as a crook (and others) by making statements to the Victorian Fraud Squad. If you want to go down the ‘guilt by association’ path Gillard was Blewitt’s mate for the years of the fraud. It seems she enjoys the company of communists, crooks and cads.

  86. You want some evidence? have a read of the transcript of the press conference yesterday in which shadow Attorney-General George Brandis put the case against Julia Gillard on the AWU slush fund scandal, outlining apparent breaches of the law and making plain Gillard’s deceptions:

    BRANDIS: There has been some debate this morning in the media about the claim made by the position that Julia Gillard broke the law in relation to the establishment and operation of the Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association. In order to get to the bottom of this affair, the Opposition, as you know, yesterday called for the establishment of a judicial inquiry. I think the terms of reference that we proposed for that judicial inquiry were released by the Opposition Leader’s office yesterday but for ease of reference for you I will give you give you a copy of them as well as a small bundle of documents I want to take you to.

    Now, Parliament is a political forum and debates between journalists and politicians about the law are seldom very illuminating but let me explain to you the basis upon which or the principal basis upon which the Opposition says Julia Gillard broke the law. We say that she broke the law because the Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association was established as a sham to facilitate a fraud and by her participation in its establishment, Julia Gillard was a party to that crime. Now, it is against the law of every Australian State, including the law of Western Australia, to provide a materially false statement when a person is under a statutory obligation to provide information to an authority. That is the effect of section 170 of the Western Australian Criminal Code in the terms in which it was drawn at the time of these events in 1992.

    It is also, of course, a crime to participate in a conspiracy to defraud –that is also a statutory offence under Western Australian criminal law. The key issue in this case, therefore, was the nature of Ms Gillard’s involvement as a solicitor then working for Slater & Gordon – as a partner indeed of Slater & Gordon – in the establishment of the Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association. And we know what her state of mind was from her exit interview with the partners of Slater & Gordon on 11 September 1995.

    Now, I just want to pause there to emphasise to those of you who are not had careers in the legal profession, what an extraordinary thing the exit interview itself was. For a partner of a law firm to be required by her managing partner and her senior partner to undergo a long and tape recorded interview about her conduct of a particular file is something that almost never happens, in a law firm or any other professional firm. And it would only happen if there was a belief on the part of those partners that there was a matter of grave concern in issue. But leaving that aside, in the bundle of documents I’ve given you, the last of the documents is an extract from what Ms Gillard said in the Slater & Gordon interview. And if I can take you to the bottom paragraph of the first of the two pages – the second last two pages of the bundle, that is the famous slush fund confession. And can I also draw your attention after the omission of some redacted portions, to what she goes on to say in the paragraph commencing three lines from the bottom about what the thinking was.
    Now, a number of apologists and defenders of the Prime Minister have gone to great pains to stress or to assert that Ms Gillard, at the time she was involved in the creation of the Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association, did not think it was a slush fund, did not know it was a slush fund and that her words in September 1995 should be interpreted and understood to mean that that was an awareness she later developed. I submit to you that on any fair reading of the interview and in particular on any fair reading of the relevant paragraphs of the interview in the context, that is not an available or a reasonable interpretation. It is perfectly clear from the words Ms Gillard herself chose to use, and indeed the tense in which she spoke, that she was speaking of what her understanding of the nature and purpose of the Association was at the time it was established and what her thinking was, her word, in the establishment of the association.
    To paraphrase, it was established for the purpose of financing and holding the monies to finance funds to – for the campaign of a ticket of union officials within AWU elections. Now if that’s what Ms Gillard’s advice to Wilson and Blewitt was at the time – to set up this association for that purpose – then she was obliged not just professionally as a solicitor, though of course she was obliged professionally as a solicitor, but also as a matter of general law in her participation in the establishment of the Association to be honest about its purposes. That is – and there are certain requirements under the Western Australian Associations Incorporation Act which impose certain obligations or requirements or conditions on the establishment and registration of an incorporated association. We know, because it’s not in dispute, that Ms Gillard prepared the documents, although they were signed in Mr Blewitt’s name.
    Now, in the bundle of documents I’ve given you, the first document is actually the application form, dated 22 April 1992, and if you look at item 2 of the particulars, “The Association is formed for the purposes of development of changes to work to achieve safe workplaces,” and that is described in the parentheses below as the main purpose. Ms Gillard prepared that document. That, as we know from her exit interview from Slater & Gordon was not the main purpose or indeed a purpose of the Association. And if one also looks at the objects clause of the rules of the association – clause 3 – which were lodged with the application, it is as plain as can be that this association did not purport to be established for the purposes of financing the campaign of a group of union officials in an internal union election campaign.
    The second document in the bundle is the certificate of incorporation. It’s only relevant because of the date it bears – 24 June 1992. Now pausing there, if a person participates in seeking the registration of an association and misdescribes its purpose in a misleading fashion as Ms Gillard plainly did, the rules – clause 2 of the application cannot, on any fair reading, sit with the paragraphs of her exit interview to which I’ve drawn your attention. Then that, in the Opposition’s view, in my view, in the view of Julie Bishop who is an experienced commercial lawyer herself, a former managing partner of the Perth office of Clayton Utz with more than 20 years experience as a commercial lawyer, that is a breach of the commercial laws of Western Australia – that is section 43 of the Association’s Incorporation Act – but it is also a breach of section 170 of the Criminal Code.
    If that were the end of the matter, it would be enough but there is more because the Workplace Reform Association didn’t just solicit contributions from individual members of the Australian Workers Union, it also solicited contributions from external contributors – one of whom, Thiess, subsequently made a complaint to the police saying it had been misled as to the purposes of the association. It’s entirely plausible that some of the people – some of the members of the AWU who signed a payroll deduction authority to allow a small part of their fortnightly wage to be paid to the Workplace Reform Association, may have known the true purpose – that by contributing to the association they were contributing to the Wilson-Blewitt faction’s ticket for internal union elections, that’s plausible.
    It’s not plausible, in fact, it’s impossible to believe that external contributors like Thiess, in making their contributions to the Workplace Reform Association, so believed or did so for that reason. That’s why Thiess subsequently complained to the police. The next document in the bundle I’ve given you – the third document – is invoice number one. It’s the earliest invoice document, as the serial number one tends to suggest, made to Thiess by the Workplace Reform Association for services. The importance of the document is the date – 30 April 1992 – which is eight days after the application was lodged and almost two months before the registration was certified or the certificate of incorporation was issued. Further, the next document in the bundle, purchase order 410373, is the first document that we can find that is
    made out to the Workplace Reform Association. This is, so far as I can find, the first document on which the Workplace Reform Association is described by that name and you will note that the date of that document is 9 April 1992. That’s on the left-hand side just below the reference to the name and address of the Association.
    Now, once again, the significance of that document lies in the date which in fact, in this case, predates the application itself. What that shows, the Opposition contends, is that this is not merely a case in which the Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association was established for one purpose – that is the slush fund – the purpose of a slush fund to fund the election of union officials running on the Wilson-Blewitt ticket, and months or even years down the track, it came to be used as a vehicle for other unlawful purposes. At the time of its very inception, it was being used to solicit external contributions, and to provide services to companies external to the union that had nothing to do with the purpose – the true purpose – of the association which Ms Gillard recited. So the fact that contributions were going to be – or moneys were going to be paid into the association from external parties, not merely from trade union members, was known from the start.
    Now – – –
    REPORTER: (Inaudible question)
    BRANDIS: We are saying that, at the time the Association was established, that was always its work. We are saying that, on the basis of the legal documents she lodged – prepared and lodged, she materially misled the Western Australian Corporate Affairs Commission. But we are also saying that from its inception, the AWU Workplace Reform Association was set up not merely to receive contributions from union members, but to receive contributions from external commercial parties.
    REPORTER: Can I take to you the objects of Association?
    BRANDIS: Yes.
    REPORTER: Now, you haven’t actually talked about those and there is another document that’s dated March, plus the 9-page document with the objects. Now, they are A to H, they go to contributing to the development of change to work in order to achieve democratic safe workplaces.
    BRANDIS: And Andrew, you are going to take me to object F, aren’t you?
    REPORTER: Okay, I’ll take you to E. It is “To promote, within unions, the adoption of the aims of the association”; F, “To support and assist union officials and union members.” Now, firstly, when she was asked about this – the Prime Minister was asked about this in August, it was her contention that that was consistent with it being a slush fund, albeit she didn’t like the use of that terminology. We asked the Consumer
    Protection Commissioner, which is the replacement of the Commissioner and Anne Driscoll said:
    “The objects are broad in nature and range and appear to cover a broad range of activities. Accordingly, the objects do not appear to be dedicated to any one particular activity and also that the name of the association does not appear to be inconsistent with its stated objects.”
    Where’s your case? Given that very broad – her argument is and her contention is that it was consistent with a slush fund. You cannot move state of mind with your evidence today.
    BRANDIS: Well, Andrew, a couple of things. First of all, what you’ve told me the West Australian Consumer Protection Authority has said is that the objects are consistent with the name, and that’s all they’ve said.
    REPORTER: “The objects are broad in nature and appear to cover a range of activities.” It’s more than the name.
    BRANDIS: Well, the objects are broad in their nature. A plain reading of the objects – – –
    REPORTER: Objects that you would write as a lawyer, too, to give you maximum – – –
    BRANDIS: May I finish, please?
    REPORTER: Yes.
    BRANDIS: The objects are broad in their nature, as objects clauses of associations of this kind always are but on a fair reading of rule three – that is the objects clause of the draft rules – it would be, in the Opposition’s contention, impossible to conclude that the primary purpose for which this association was established was the purpose described by Julia Gillard in her exit interview on 11 September 1995 – that is a slush fund to fund a particular ticket.
    REPORTER: But a good lawyer – – –
    BRANDIS: If I may finish, please – that is to fund the election of a ticket of trade union officials within the AWU. You combine that with item two of the application which asks for the – and that’s a document that it’s not controversial was prepared by Julia Gillard – which asks for the principal purpose of the Association and the principal purpose of the Association could not fairly be described in those terms. In other words, what Gillard said on 11 September 1995 is, in the Opposition’s view, plainly inconsistent with what she wrote as the main purpose of the Association in her document – the document prepared and lodged on 22 April 1992.
    There is another point I should make, by the way. This isn’t the only respect in which the lodgement application was also false and misleading. It was also false and misleading because it certified that –
    represented that the association was otherwise compliant with the requirements of the Associations Incorporations Act, which require a minimum of five members and in fact there were only two: Wilson and Blewitt.
    REPORTER: The writing on this page, all of it is Ralph Blewitt’s, isn’t it? Apart from the third line which is in upper and lower case, which is Ms Gillard’s writing, isn’t that the case?
    BRANDIS: Well, I’m not a handwriting expert, but I rely on the fact that – – –
    REPORTER: But you’re saying that this development of changes to work, et cetera, et cetera – that was written by Ms Gillard.
    BRANDIS: I’m relying on the fact that Ms Gillard has herself admitted, not only in her exit interview on 11 September 1995, but in her press conference on, I think it was 23 August this year, before you, ladies and gentlemen, that she was responsible for the preparation, or the lawyering of the application of the registration of the Association
    REPORTER: So you can tell us right now that she definitely wrote that line two?
    BRANDIS: She was responsible for – – –
    REPORTER: But you can’t tell us that she wrote those words?
    BRANDIS: When a solicitor lodges a document – any form of commercial document of this kind, they, by the act of lodging it, represent to the relevant authority that it is, to the best of their knowledge, accurate.
    REPORTER: But your case largely rests on the interpretation of nine words “development of changes to work to achieve workplaces” which in itself is vague and the objects are vague. Again, it goes to state of mind. You can’t prove, one way or the other, what her state of mind was or contest her assertion that it was consistent with a slush fund.
    BRANDIS: We know what her state of mind was because she told the partners in September 1995. She said it was a slush fund for the purpose of – – –
    REPORTER: You’re contesting – – –
    BRANDIS: If I may finish. That it was a slush fund for the purpose of holding moneys to finance the election of a ticket of union officials within union elections and on any fair reading, either of rule three of the draft rules, including rule 3F or of item two – that is the main purpose – certified and represented by Julia Gillard in the application document, that conceals rather than discloses what she said in September 1995 was the true purpose of the slush fund.
    REPORTER: That was three years later as well, though, that exit interview, so how can you line up her frame of mind then with what she wrote three years earlier?
    BRANDIS: Well, David, that’s a very important point you make, because as I said earlier on in my remarks, the Labor Party and its spokesmen are very eager to say that that reflected her belief in September 1995 , not her state of mind in April 1992. And all I say to you is if you read her exit interview, it seems very clear, particularly the second paragraph, the less widely publicised paragraph to which I have drawn to your attention, which begins with the words, “The thinking behind”, admits, we say, no other fair interpretation than that she was telling the partners of Slater & Gordon what her thinking was in approaching the establishment of the slush fund by way of this legal structure.
    REPORTER: Senator, is it your contention that had Julia Gillard back in 1992, filled out line two with the words to the effect “to assist in the re-election of union officials on a platform of workplace safety” that this wouldn’t have been incorporated?
    BRANDIS: Yes, it would not have been incorporated, but that’s not our point. That’s not our point
    REPORTER: No, no, you’re saying she is less than honest.
    BRANDIS: Our point, Phil, is that the document that she represented to be true was false.
    REPORTER: That’s true, that’s true, but – – –
    REPORTER: Senator, do you seriously expect, though that any DPP would actually bring these charges?
    BRANDIS: That’s a matter for them.
    REPORTER: Senator, let’s be clear, the only evidence you’ve got here for the Prime Minister acting illegally 20 years ago is your interpretation of what she said in 1995 about what she did in 1992? Is that it?
    BRANDIS: We know what she said in 1995.
    REPORTER: We know your interpretation of it.
    BRANDIS: See, the best evidence of a person’s state – – –
    REPORTER: But is there anything more than that?
    BRANDIS: The best evidence a person’s state of mind is what they declare to be their state of mind in circumstances in which there is no reason to believe they are not telling the truth. She declared her state of mind, in this case her purpose or intention in 1992, in the exit interview. That is inconsistent with the purposes recorded on the documents which she lodged and represented to be true.
    REPORTER: Except she contests that the objects of the association, which she doesn’t deny writing and authoring, are consistent with it being a slush fund.
    BRANDIS: She contends that.
    REPORTER: Do you think that’s rubbish?
    BRANDIS: Yes, I do. That interpretation of the objects and of item two of the application document is so implausible, it’s such a stretch, that it can’t be believed. We know why she set this up because she said so. And therefore if she was going to be compliant with the law, she was obliged to tell the corporate regulator that – that it was to run a ticket to secure the election of union officials and she didn’t. And we know why she didn’t, too, because if she had written the truth, it wouldn’t have been incorporated.
    REPORTER: Senator, how do you know that, that’s back to my question?
    BRANDIS: Because that is not a valid purpose for the incorporation of an industrial organisation.
    REPORTER: Yesterday you told the Senate that the Labor Party is being led by a criminal. Outside of parliamentary privilege, do you say the Prime Minister is a criminal?
    BRANDIS: I’m saying that, on the documentary evidence and her own admissions, there appears to me, and appears to the Opposition, to have been a breach of the criminal and commercial laws of Western Australia – of the Criminal Code, section 170 in particular, and of the Association’s Incorporation Act. Now, on the question of what I said in the Senate, parliamentary privilege exists for a reason. Parliamentary privilege is actually part of the law. It’s been part of the law since 1689 and the bill of rights and the reason that is exists is that members of the Parliament are unconstrained in the chamber from saying what people are not at liberty to say outside the chamber at least without taking the risk of being sued. It’s a privilege that should be exercised judiciously, I, as a former chairman of the Privileges Committee, know that more than most
    But it does exist so that when there are allegations of serious wrongdoing to be made against senior people or officials in government, they can be made free of constraint.
    REPORTER: You don’t allege anything, you actually said it.
    REPORTER: Do you now pledge to hold a judicial inquiry into this?
    BRANDIS: Well, we’ve said there should be a judicial inquiry.
    REPORTER: That’s quite different. I’m saying if you win government, will you hold a judicial inquiry into this?
    BRANDIS: I’m not here to announce a judicial inquiry as an election promise by the Coalition.
    REPORTER: (inaudible)
    BRANDIS: I’m not here to announce one. What I’m here to do is to, as Mr Abbott did in the House of Representatives yesterday, is to call upon the Government to establish a judicial inquiry, and if Ms Gillard has nothing to hide, then that’s what she would do, but of course she won’t.
    REPORTER: Will you, in the absence – – –
    BRANDIS: I’m not here to announce that that is what we would do. I’m not at liberty to do so but we believe that the Government should establish a judicial inquiry into this matter
    REPORTER: George, back to line two – No. 2. Greg Combet has got a lot of union experience. He says it’s very commonplace within the union movement to establish these incorporations for all manner of purposes.
    BRANDIS: It may well be.
    REPORTER: Have you studied other applications to incorporate similar funds to contrast the specificity of the stated reasons for its establishment with this? Are they always this vague?
    BRANDIS: The answer to your question is no, nor is that a relevant consideration. The fact that there may be – – –
    REPORTER: Well, you’ve made an allegation that this is non-specific enough – this is deliberately misleading. Would there be precedent against which you could – or something to contrast this? This may be the norm.
    BRANDIS: If it’s the norm, the fact that there is a pattern of wrongdoing in the union movement, and we know that there is a pattern wrongdoing within the union movement, is absolutely no legal justification for any particular act of wrongdoing, and it’s on the particular act of wrongdoing in this particular case that with which we are concerned.
    REPORTER: Some of the allegations have actually been around for years, including when the Coalition was in Government. Why did the Coalition not, when it was in Government, or indeed when the Opposition Leader was Industrial Relations Minister, look into this more closely?
    BRANDIS: Well, I think it’s fair to say that this is an issue that has developed particularly in the last few months, developed a momentum of its own. You’re right to say – all the documents I’ve shown you are documents from the 1990s. Just because public attention hasn’t been focused on a particular issue in the past, it doesn’t mean once, on reflection, the significance of it has come to be appreciated, it shouldn’t be now.

  87. Punchy Abbott caught out again. Their ABC, 14 September 2012:

    At today’s press conference, a defensive Mr Abbott tried to shift the focus on to what he described as Labor’s “dirt unit”, which he accused of “peddling” the stories to the media.

    […]

    But Mr Abbott did not answer repeated questions about whether Coalition staff operated a similar dirt unit or were involved in dredging up potentially embarrassing stories about Labor MPs.

    Instead, Mr Abbott decided to end the press conference and walk off.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-14/abbott-denies-punching-wall-next-to-rivals-head/4260714

    Note the following photo. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8mbJdpCAAAtXLo.jpg Tony Abbott chief-of-staff Peta Credlin and Deputy Liberal leader, Julie Bishop. Credlin is holding dirt files. “Gillard AWU”. Question Time, House of Representatives, 26 November 2012

  88. On the subject of what Tony Abbott has to offer, firstly I will due to necessity ignore the issue of his character mostly due to the fact that I, as per a good majority of females consider him a creep. Imagine the sleaze representing Australia overseas *shudder*.

    Therefore it must be policies, and we have: a climate change policy consisting of planting more trees but only on nonviable farmland because the Nats kicked up a stink about any interference with farming pursuits. But wait..maybe there is a reason why the land is nonviable..it’s because things don’t grow there. 😈

    Then we have turn back the boats but the *only* problem is that Indonesia has stated categorically and on more than one occasion that they will not be accepting any returns. Then there is the fact of danger to enlisted personnel and not to be considered as appropriate policy..it’s only the top commanders in the RAN who said that…

    And we have $$$$$s for wealthy stay at home *Moms* so that junior can have his own private nanny..oh yes and the au pair will be catered for as well under Tony Abbott’s paid parental leave scheme.

    Have I missed anything? They’re the only policies that Tony Abbott seems to have come up with..and each and every one is already a stuff up.

  89. Seeing though Hall the troll has not provided any truth on why The Abbott would be a better PM, I think it is time to shut, part of the tread is on why Abbott would make a better Prime Minister.

  90. Hall the troll has not provided any truth on why The Abbott would be a better PM

    He even denied that the question/challenge/invitation had been put. They’ve got nothing, and they don’t mind who knows it.

  91. “Treeman, take a look at Mike’s place. Gillard, on more than one occasion has said that she was not part of the Socialist Forum but just a typist to earn some money whilst at Uni”

    Indeed. A “typist clerk” who deceived Tony Jones and Adelaide radio on having ceased being a member of the Socialist Forum “many a long year ago, and obviously my most active involvement was when I was a university student more than 20 years ago” when she was involved at management level until 2002!

  92. Call in the federal police

    sue conveniently for Abbott, and helped by his stonewalling, the statute of limitations ran out to get Abbott on his illegal slush fund, and it was illegal.

    That’s why it would take a judicial enquiry to get to the truth of it, and I can tell you now Abbott will run a thousand miles away if there’s any hint he would be investigated over Australians for Honest Politics.

    Abbott’s wasn’t a single slush fund by the way, but was done in two parts to make sure Hanson went down.

    There’s no doubt about it, Abbott is a piece of work.

  93. Tell you what Sue, if this comes down to who ran the better slush fund, I’ll go with Abbott any day for helping to get rid of Hanson who was undoubtedly the worst politician we have ever seen, a fool mismanaged by fools who brought out the worst in many.

    I remember well persuading my Mum and her mates not to vote for Hanson.

  94. An oldie, but particularly timely…

    A man died and went to Heaven. As he stood in front of the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him.He asked, ‘What are all those clocks?’

    St Peter answered, ‘Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone who has ever been on earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie, the hands on your clock move.’

    ‘Oh’, said the man. ‘Whose clock is that?’

    ‘That’s Mother Teresa’s’, replied St Peter. ‘The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie.’

    ‘Incredible’, said the man. ‘And whose clock is that one?’

    St Peter responded, ‘That’s Abraham Lincoln’s clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Abraham told only two lies in his entire life.’

    ‘Where’s Tony Abbott’s clock?’ asked the man.

    St Peter replied, ‘We are using it it as a ceiling fan.’

  95. I like this howler from the transcript.

    TONY JONES: I’ll come back to that in a minute. But let me ask you another question. Are you now or have or have you ever been a fiscal conservative?

    JULIA GILLARD: (Laughs) Tony, I am certainly a conservative person when it comes to government finances and accounting.

    More like a fiscal wrecking ball…HAHAHAHAHAH!

  96. I’ll leave you with a couple of thoughts…The heart of the current scandal is that the union movement in Australia is utterly corrupt. The corruption today has been discovered by chance.

    Something Gillard needs to know…

    Count your blessings
    and not your woes
    as it’s what we count
    that grows and grows
    and aren’t we lucky
    we only have one nose!

  97. Ha ha Treeman what a joke you are.

    Again quoting a biased right winger, but this time a member of the Liberal party, Brandis, who by the way backed down at a 100mph when asked to state the crime Gillard had committed.

    Yet again it was all allegations and nothing of substance or evidence anywhere.

    That interview is so full of the normal Liberal bullshit from Brandis it’s not surprising you quote it.

    Oh and a judicial enquiry into slush funds would be fantastic, if Abbott’s was also included. It would be the end of him and several other Howard ministers.

  98. Anybody else get the feeling the wingnuts, and I include scaper in that term, are losing it?

    Do you note all the diversions and not one lucid answer to the question of Abbott’s fitness to be PM.

  99. scraper… wrote:

    More like a fiscal wrecking ball…HAHAHAHAHAH!

    Evidence of the “wrecking ball”, scraper…?

    Australia has moved from the 15th biggest economy in the world under the Fiberals to the 12th biggest under Labor.

    Triple-A rated by the three ratings agencies – for the first time ever.

    Interest rates lower than at any time under the Lieberals (who promised “record low” interest rates).

    The fastest-growing economy in the world.
    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/australian-economy-leads-the-world-20120418-1x6ac.html

    … So when you say “wrecking ball”, it’s demonstrably untrue. Just more Liberal lies. LNP: Lies Not Policies.

  100. Noticed Hall the troll is up to his usual practice again of pulling apart our comments and opinions, while Hall himself has not offered one opinion on why Abbott would be a better PM, other than to trash Prime Minister Gillard.

    Maybe he should offer go and find the information to put in his opinions on why Abbott should be a better PM??

    And Hall

    Let me return the Favour Paul how about you explain why we should re-elect the Labor government, what are its, Ah hem, “virtues” and why do you think then virtuous enough for the Australian people to give them another go?

    I do not have to provide anything Hall the troll, considering you have not offered any reasons why Abbott would be a better PM.

  101. Again Treeman for a place you say has no consequence and is delusional you certainly frequent often enough. To me it indicates you believe this place has importance and is sound otherwise you wouldn’t bother coming here so often sprouting the shit you do to disrupt it.

  102. HAHAHAHAH! Coming from the diametric Piers Ackerman of this site.

    What do you call your spin about the One Nation so called slush fund? A DIVERSION, you wingnut!

  103. “Compared to Gillard and Labor even blind Freddy can see that Abbott is a paragon of veracity.”

    Would have to be blind, as well as deaf to see that. if not in a coma. One with their wits about them would have to come to another conclusion.

    That is unless veracity has another meaning to some.

    Of course we need to take into consideration that much that the present Libera; Party puts forward, such as innocence until proven guilty, and one must prove their innocence. client/lawyer privilege all have different meanings to them and their ilk.

    They appear to live in an alternative parallel, where one makes up their own rules, to meet their spiel, spin and lies. Could I also be rash enough to say lies.

  104. One Nation so called slush fund

    Wasn’t a so called slush fund, it was a slush fund, and named such at the time meeting every definition of one. Plus an illegal one at that.

    No diversion scaper, as the right wingers had bought up the point of judicial enquiry into Gillard 20 years ago, so it’s just as legitimate to then raise one on Abbott’s slush fund, which was more recent.

  105. Sandra, thanks for that.
    LOVO recognised the relevance and put up the link, I just re-posted it to save going looking. 😀

    Cheers 😀

    Love is blind!

    Love of the LNP is blind,deaf, dumb and completely stupid!

    Cheers 😆 😆 😆

  106. “as the right wingers had bought up the point of judicial enquiry into Gillard 20 years ago, so it’s just as legitimate to then raise one on Abbott’s slush fund, which was more recent.”

    Correction…Gillard has brought herself to the point of a Judicial Enquiry on what happened 20 years ago…She has after all given it a lot of air lately!

  107. tree, I believe even in that famous, so called exit interview, the PM gave credit to others for creating the bit she cut and pasted. Even if you are correct, why was what you are accusing her of so bad,

    At least the PM was not going around, bashing, or at least threatening to bash people up, especially those smaller and weaker than her,

    Yes, some experimented with the far left at the time. So what.

  108. “Love of the LNP is blind,deaf, dumb and completely stupid!”

    and love of Labor betrays a lemming like mentality…breeding up numbers and then collapsing through unsustainability.

  109. She has after all given it a lot of air lately!

    Full of utter shit again.

    Who has been giving it a lot of air, and even when not one bit of evidence was presented still went on about it?

    Why do right wingers always project and twist it around. Is it in their genes or is it they just can’t think of anything original so engage in throw back as it doesn’t require many neurons firing.

  110. “Tell you what Sue, if this comes down to who ran the better slush fund, I’ll go with Abbott any day for helping to get rid of Hanson who was undoubtedly the worst politician we have ever seen, a fool mismanaged by fools who brought out the worst in many.”

    So if one disagrees or you do not like them, it is OK to pursue them with false claims, to inside of a jail. That is OK in your mind. It is OK to destroy personally ones opponent.

    I had no time for Ms. Hanson or her politics. Ms, Hanson has all the right in the world to be in politics. What’s more, she had the right to be heard.

    If one has to disabled all their opponent in any sporting contest, I am afraid they have little going for them.

    The idea is to be better at the game. Not knock the opposition out physically.

    I can only say, that you have problems defending the indefensible,

  111. Why Abbott would make a better Prime minister….he wouldn’t have defied his colleagues on this one for starters…

    “AFTER Julia Gillard had announced on Tuesday afternoon that Australia would abstain from a UN General Assembly vote on state observer status for the Palestinians, two things happened.

    Our most important ally, the US, decided to make its “disappointment” clear to the Australian ambassador in Washington, Kim Beazley, and the Prime Minister’s “special emissary to the Jewish community”, Bruce Wolpe, was fingered as having an inordinate influence on Ms Gillard, who had intended to vote against the UN motion….After Gillard insisted the cabinet had to agree to her minority position and demanded “cabinet solidarity”, there was a bemused and sullen response, with Carr ringing backbenchers to foment rebellion and government whip Joel Fitzgibbon defying the Prime Minister’s request to lock in the Right behind her.

    Fitzgibbon yesterday said that if Australia had adopted the Prime Minister’s initial position it would have looked like Australia was acting as a puppet of the US.

    Carr informed Gillard minutes before Tuesday’s Labor caucus meeting that she needed to change her position or face a humiliating defeat that would undermine her authority. Gillard conceded and backed a compromise of abstention.

    In the face of Gillard’s initial demand for support, cabinet ministers began to complain there was no real explanation for the position, arguing the US was not overly exercised, many Labor seats were affected by Middle Eastern populations, Christian and Muslim, and there was a policy argument for sending Israel a message “as a friend”.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/fears-julia-gillard-isolated-by-adviser-on-un-palestinian-vote/story-fn59niix-1226527832399

    This exercise has undoubtely weakened Gillard further in the eyes of an electorate sick to death of her whining,victim playing, smearing of the opposition and general negativity. And her strine certainly doesn’t help.

  112. But getting rid of Hanson had nothing at all to do with getting rid of a bad politician and racist party, but everything to do with getting her voters.

    In other words the Howard government, and Abbott as his executioner, were garnering the very worst of people and racists, and it worked. Those racists and other extreme right wingers still vote for the Liberals to this day.

  113. “But getting rid of Hanson had nothing at all to do with getting rid of a bad politician and racist party, but everything to do with getting her voters.

    In other words the Howard government, and Abbott as his executioner, were garnering the very worst of people and racists, and it worked. Those racists and other extreme right wingers still vote for the Liberals to this day.”

    Spoken like a true deluded Labor voter, conveniently ignoring the depraved levels of corruption in the union movement, Labor’s principle support through the ages.

  114. Yes he would Treeman and he has. Abbott has made announcements and done things against the wishes of and without consulting his party, it’s why he got the brain fart tag.

    Howard often had run ins similar to Gillard and the caucus got their way against Howard. It’s called party politics for fuck sake and has been happening to all parties since the formation of democracy.

    On top of that it’s not a reason Abbot would make a better PM, it’s a reason he would be worse.

    Also not saying why Abbott is better but attempting, badly by the way, to say why Gillard is worse.

  115. ““But getting rid of Hanson had nothing at all to do with getting rid of a bad politician and racist party, but everything to do with getting her voters.”

    How ironic that Gillard now distances herself from the hands that gave her the federal election. No more holding hands with Brown and Milne!

    Don’t throw that stuff at me Mecko, it diminishes you!

  116. Treeeman, there is no corruption in other parts of society. All business are beyond reproach. All Liberal politicians are paramount of honesty. Then there is no such thing as dishonest policeman or lawyer. All judges are beyond reproach. Yes, even in the arm forces, we find men who are seen as heroes being dishonest.

    No union movement, it’s members and officials are no more dishonest than the rest of society.

    In fact since the UWA saga, those involved had taken steps to clean the union out.

    With the HSU, we seem to have two very dishonest people who got control. Would like to remember, this is the second time it was disbanded, The IR courts under Mr. Howard, allowed it to be restored, allowing Ms. Jackson, somehow control the elections, with the crooks still in control. That is an area I would like to see an inquiry into. Why the courts did not clean it out at that time.

    Thankfully the members have cleaned it it out with the latest election.

  117. Hey Treeman, what do you expect?

    The foundation of Labor was a bunch of thuggish shearers that slit horses throats, burnt down sheds, a hatred of Chinese and Aborigines and nothing has changed to this day.

    Take a poll in prisons and Labor would get 95% of the vote…the true Labor base.

  118. So Treeman just ignores the Hanson bit and throws in the strawman of unions.

    If you go down that path it could just as easily be levelled that corrupt big business has been the supporter of the Liberals through the ages.

  119. “The foundation of Labor was a bunch of thuggish shearers that slit horses throats, burnt down sheds, a hatred of Chinese and Aborigines and nothing has changed to this day.

    Take a poll in prisons and Labor would get 95% of the vote…the true Labor base.”

    Love your work! Perhaps a prison ethos permeates the cafe of the self shackled!

  120. At about 2min34sec in, Abbott’s menacing bearing to the female journalists. (Also note how the Noalition’s costings black hole came to light).

  121. tree, I would remind you to tread carefully in this one. There have been Labourers come to mind, There are many more.

    Yes, when there is corruption within the union movement, there are always corrupted bosses.

    Just a thought, could the money that made it way, to that slush fund, come from businesses buying favours to get their projects off the ground. Simply put, could ii be they were not donations, but bribes. Just a thought. Would explain why those who donated, refuse to cooperate with the police. Just an idea.

  122. “Just a thought, could the money that made it way, to that slush fund, come from businesses buying favours to get their projects off the ground. Simply put, could ii be they were not donations, but bribes. Just a thought. Would explain why those who donated, refuse to cooperate with the police. Just an idea”

    And that makes standing over workplaces any better?

  123. Worst government in Australia’s history goes to the Coalition. Let us recall a sample of the ministerial disasters:

    * Minister Jim Short was forced to resign for failing to divest himself of financial interests in his area of ministerial responsibility.

    * Industry minister John Moore was exposed for his shareholdings in technology investment and share-trading companies.

    * Parliamentary secretary Brian Gibson lost his job because of a conflict of interest.

    * Small business minister Geoff Prosser was running three shopping centres while he was a minister and he was forced to resign. [Geoff Prosser resigned in July 1997 following the disclosure that he was a shopping centre landlord while he was responsible for commercial tenancy provisions of the Trade Practices Act 1975.]

    * Resources minister Warwick Parer had massive share interests in a coalmine and in other resource companies; he stayed, in breach of the ministerial code.

    * Acting minister for communications Peter McGauran forgot that he owned 70 poker machines.

    * Employment services minister Mal Brough promoted training courses which were actually Liberal Party fundraisers.

    * Industry minister Ian Macfarlane was involved in a complex scam to rort GST rebates from Liberal Party fundraisers.

    * Aboriginal affairs minister John Herron kept up his practice as a surgeon, in breach of the code.

    Mr Howard himself was found to be in breach of his own code when he failed to resign as a director of the Menzies Research Centre.

    Mr Howard misled the parliament over meetings he had held with ethanol producer Manildra’s boss – massive Liberal Party donor Dick Honan. It was eventually proved that the meetings did occur, and three weeks later the government increased trade penalties against a Brazilian ethanol producer. And there’s more:

    * Parliamentary secretary Warren Entsch’s concrete company won a massive government contract in breach of the code.

    * Peter Reith was appointed as a consultant to defence contractor Tenix immediately after resigning as defence minister.

    * Health minister Michael Wooldridge signed a $5 million building deal for the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners and days later, after resigning as health minister, was employed by the college as a consultant.

    * Senator Coonan, as Minister for Revenue, avoided paying a land tax. She was then exposed and forced to resign as a registered director of an insurance dispute resolution company operating from her own home.

    * Wilson Tuckey, then Minister for Regional Services, Territories and Local Government, heavied a state police minister on behalf of a family member.

    http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/22/1061529333629.html

    * Parliamentary secretary Bob Woods retired from politics when he was under police investigation for travel rorts.

    * Communication minister Richard Alston’s family trust held Telstra shares.

    * Peter Costello, the Treasurer, appointed Liberal Party megadonor Robert Gerard to the Reserve Bank board despite being told by Mr Gerard that he was involved in a 14-year long tax evasion dispute with the Australian Taxation Office.

    * Three ministers – John Sharp, David Jull and Peter McGauran – were forced to resign as a result of travel rorts involving false claims, mismanagement or cover-ups.

    * Parliamentary secretary Bill Heffernan was forced to resign over fabricated claims against a High Court judge.

    What else have we had over the past 10 years? Ten years of public policy failure. A partial – very partial – list would include:

    * the massive pork-barrelling of the $1 billion Federation Fund program;

    * the scandal over the budget leak about MRI machines;

    * the development of a culture of assumption and denial in DIMIA while Mr Ruddock was minister for immigration, which the Comrie report called failed, catastrophic and dehumanised; the wrongful and scandalous deportation of Australian citizen Vivian Alvarez Solon;

    * the wrongful and scandalous detention of Cornelia Rau at Baxter detention centre;

    * the utter incompetence of veterans’ affairs minister Dana Vale over roadworks at Anzac Cove;

    * the rorting of the $500 million Regional Partnerships program, with massively disproportionate grants being allocated to coalition seats – not to mention the Tumbi Creek and Beaudesert Rail scandals under the same program; and

    * support for the training of scab labour in Dubai to work on the waterfront and the use of dogs and security guards in balaclavas during the waterfront dispute as waterside workers were sacked under the cover of darkness with the loss of all entitlements and, in some cases, personal possessions.

    Of course, the Prime Minister introduced the GST after promising he never, ever would.

    * The Howard government have sponsored many attacks on the independence of the judiciary and the courts, including repeated slurs by Senator Heffernan in this chamber and in Senate estimates.

    * They scrapped the free Commonwealth dental health scheme for low-income people.

    * They put back the cause of reconciliation irrevocably by refusing to say sorry to the stolen generations.

    * They blurred the line between church and state by the disastrous appointment of Archbishop Hollingworth as Governor-General of Australia.

    Within days of coming to office, the Howard government sacked six departmental secretaries and have since politicised the public service so that officials will never offer frank and fearless advice. In fact, the government have encouraged a culture where advice of any kind from a public servant is not welcome.

    * They have increased government staffing of ministers and parliamentary secretaries from 293 when they came to office to 430 now, many paid above the salary range.

    * They cynically manipulated public sentiment about asylum seekers for political advantage.

    * They refused to sign the Kyoto protocol to deal with our greatest global environmental challenge – climate change.

    * They sponsored attacks from the former communications minister Richard Alston and from government backbenchers over alleged ABC bias while making partisan appointments to the ABC board.

    * They introduced draconian industrial legislation to strip away the hard-won rights of Australian workers.

    * They introduced the flawed Pacific solution, which has seen detention centres on Nauru and Manus Island remain open without any detainees.

    * They have allowed an Australian citizen, David Hicks, to be held overseas without charge or trial for more than four years and left him to face a highly flawed tribunal process without making any efforts to ensure he will have a fair trial.

    Then there was the dithering over preferences to One Nation, giving succour, as a result, to Pauline Hanson and tacit approval of her racist views.

    * There was the billion dollar bungling of major defence upgrade and acquisition projects. There was the massive blow-out of $2 billion in the Commonwealth’s consultancies bill.

    * There was the complete fiasco of the family tax benefit debt trap, which has slugged millions of Australian families with over $1.5 billion in debts.

    * There is the fiasco of child-care shortages and the broken promise of the government on the child-care rebate.

    * We have had the Minister for Health and Ageing, Tony Abbott, presiding over private health insurance premium hikes, which have totally absorbed the government rebate.

    * We have had the plunge in bulk-billing rates and the breaking of the health minister’s promise not to increase the Medicare safety net threshold.

    We really have seen 10 years of sleaze, deception and manipulation. We would be here all night if I had time to list every sorry exploit of the Howard government, but I do not. A mere sample includes:

    * National Textiles, the company headed by the Prime Minister’s brother, Stan Howard, which was bailed out by the government to the tune of $4 million;

    * the infamous Peter Reith telecard affair; and

    * the lies and deceit of ‘children overboard’

    Then this nation was committed to war in Iraq on the basis of faulty intelligence about weapons of mass destruction while the government claimed that they were not aiming for regime change in Iraq.

    But when the government’s claims about weapons of mass destruction proved false, of course regime change became the justification for the war in Iraq. Never before has an Australian government sent our troops to war and lied to the Australian people about the reason for doing so.

    We had Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty heavied for doing no more than stating the obvious about the increased terrorist threat in Australia after our involvement in Iraq.

    * We have had public servants and senior defence officers forced to take the blame over the government’s denials about their knowledge of the abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison.

    * We have had an unprecedented amount of public money splurged in advertising campaigns – as the Auditor-General has reported – to promote Liberal Party policies in the lead-up to the last three federal elections when the Howard government was in office.

    * We have even had the government write the name of the Federal Liberal Party into electoral legislation on 33 occasions to strip the Liberal state divisions of public funding. They even now use the parliament for their own dirty factional work.

    Despite the farcical denials that we have heard about Senator Hill’s appointment, he is about to become the 18th former Liberal Party politician to be appointed by the Howard government to a plum diplomatic post.

    Mr Howard perverted the accepted definition of an election promise. He broke promises willy-nilly but just redefined those broken promises as ‘non-core’ promises.

    What about the Nixonian leaking of a classified document to Andrew Bolt in order to politically assassinate its author, Andrew Wilkie, while not vetoing the leaker from contesting a Liberal Party preselection ballot?

    We also had a situation where Mr Howard’s government engineered the sleaziest of deals with a former Labor senator, Mal Colston, to promote Colston to the deputy presidency of the Senate in return for Colston’s vote on crucial legislation. How low can you go? Just recently, we had the unprecedented gagging of public servants before estimates committees.

    Kickbacks to Saddam

    Mr Howard himself, his senior minister, and his entire government have turned a blind eye to kickbacks paid to Saddam Hussein’s regime to ensure wheat sales. At the same time, we had Mr Howard self-righteously proclaiming that Saddam Hussein is a ‘loathsome dictator’. They turned a blind eye to our single-desk wheat exporter, who practically became the banker of the Baath Party in Iraq. Who knows where that money ended up? Who knows what it paid for?

    What we do know is that, under the government’s own terrorist legislation, if someone acts recklessly and funds turn up in the hands of terrorists, the guilty party is subject to life imprisonment. You go to jail and they throw away the keys if you recklessly engage in an action under our terrorism laws where financial resources end up in the hands of a terrorist. Let us see what happens in relation to the Howard government, which has acted as Saddam Hussein’s banker.

    Of course, all these sins mean nothing to the Howard government. After all, how can they repent what they cannot recall? This government, and its hand-picked sycophants, suffers from the worst case of collective amnesia in medical and political history.

    What are the bywords of the Howard government? ‘I cannot recall,’ ‘I don’t recollect,’ ‘I wasn’t informed,’ ‘I can’t remember,’ ‘I have no recollection of that.’

    Best of all, we had Trevor Flugge of AWB fame claiming, as his defence, that he is hard of hearing. It seems to me the whole of this government is hard of hearing. They are certainly deaf to the cries of conscience.

    NOTE: This is an edited excerpt of a parliamentary speech by Senator John Faulkner, 22 March 2006.

  124. That caption competition is hilarious! I see Gillard is always prepared…keeps a cock ring on a chain around her neck in case she has to do some heavy negotiations with the indies.

  125. Cuppa
    DECEMBER 1, 2012 @ 12:24 PM
    At about 2min34sec in, Abbott’s menacing bearing to the female journalists.

    What a load of crap! There was nothing menacing at all. You are seriously out of kilter!

  126. What a load of crap! There was nothing menacing at all.

    I haven’t seen the clip yet. I find Abbott too menacing.

    I’d have nightmares.

  127. Cuppa @ 12:29.

    Thanks for the reminder of what a dishonest bucket of crap that govt was. I think everybody should be regularly reminded.

  128. Curry, further to your comment yesterday at 2:38 pm where you said . . .

    Why don’t you go and get a real job. All you speak is left-wing garbage.

    . . . I’d just like to ask if it was made during your work hours, ie, during your employer’s time?

  129. ME, elected MP’s who have been given there mandate by the electorate, having an alternative view to the PM, is somehow wrong. It is called democracy.

    The words PM is not to be found in the Constitution, Not needed. What is included and power given to, are those elected by voters in their electorate.

    No mention of Opposition Leader as well. Cannot recall if the word opposition is used. Suspect not, nor I cannot think of any reason why it should be.

    Neither is parties for that matter. The only position the PM is elected to, is to lead her party.

    The government is formed by the vote on MP’s on the floor of the lower house. That is why we can have minority governments, and is this government is an example, is a good thing.

    One only has to look to the last Howard government and in Queensland at this time. Giving any party unbridled power leads to disaster.

  130. Miglo,

    Every time I catch them running the discredited Liberal slogan “worst government in history/in living memory/since Federation” it’s easy enough to copy-and-paste in the avalanche of evidence to show that the award goes to themselves. They try this Right Wing Projection crap all the time, and it’s so transparent.

  131. Migs, I notice that those rabid left-wingers here are able to mount an argument why they believe the present PM is the best for the job.

    They could also mount a good argument, that if she fell under the proverbial bus, there are many more in the party, capable of taking over the job.

    If I was Mr. Abbott, or others in his party, I would give that some thought.

  132. “Migs, I notice that those rabid left-wingers here are able to mount an argument why they believe the present PM is the best for the job.”

    Copied and pasted before you hit that dashboard.

    A HOME GOAL!

  133. ‘…there are many more in the party, capable of taking over the job.’

    Let’s talk, I want a clean skin.

  134. “he wouldn’t have defied his colleagues on this one for starters…”

    Did not defy Mr. Turnbull. Knowing that is one for the books.

    No you do not have to say why the PM is not a good PM. Yes, you do not have to say why Mr. Abbott would be better. Yes, you can stick to :”just is”

    Problem is that it carries no meaning or weight. Is an empty statement, that means naught.

    tree, you do not even have to say anything. You do not even have to read what we write.

    Would you be missed, I suspect not.

  135. At least when a post was put up for el gordo, she/he took up the challenge. One has to give credit for that.

    More so, when all the news coming in, destroys all her/his opinions.

  136. Treeman, always had a soft spot for lizards. Sit in the sun, observing the world around them, whilst cleaning it of vermin. Not a bad animal.

    Better than one that loves to cut down trees.

  137. I am surprised that it has taken so long to have a go at my avatar. Expected it long ago. Why I choose it.

  138. “Who’s a bully here?”

    Who so you really think, tree. Could not be the media by any chance. Thanks for reminding us, how strong the lady is.

    I have a suspicion, that among many reason that Rudd has to go, was his inability to put the media in it’s place.

    That the PM was seen as having the skill, guts and ability to do so.

    That faith in her has not been misplaced. Has taken a while to do so, but we are now there.

  139. Just adding, Mr. Abbott does not appear to have her ability. He finds that all he can do is clam up, and run, run, run.

  140. ‘More so, when all the news coming in, destroys all her/his opinions.’

    My opinion is CO2 does not cause global warming and that has been verified.

  141. I sense abuse coming. I do hope I am wrong. Shows they have given up on the task set for them.

    That is a shame, Migs. Was really looking forward to getting some understanding of where they come from.

  142. Noticed Hall the troll is up to his usual practice again of pulling apart our comments and opinions, while Hall himself has not offered one opinion on why Abbott would be a better PM, other than to trash Prime Minister Gillard.

    Actually this is a useful technique for demolishing trolls – taking apart their language and arguments forensically. The problem with using this technique is that the user really has to have a passion for doing this, and it is sometimes difficult to match the passion of a troll such as Iain as his passion is amplified by his ideological delusions.

  143. Wrong thread el gordo. In the AGW thread we can talk about the most comprehensive study of the global ice cover ever undertaken, which took place over 20 years and proves global ice is melting at an accelerating rate and at a rate 5 times faster than a few years ago, and it’s direct links to global warming and the recent super storms.

  144. It’s a way of non-debate silkworm, of not having to lucidly discuss the topic, just make very long posts mostly filled with copy and paste of others’ posts adding a very short (nonsense) remark tagged after the paste, usually a projection or strawman.

    I and many others have long learnt to rapidly scroll past that shit.

  145. “Blewitt flies back to his hole in Malaysia and Bishop is no where to be found.’

    Mo headlines that I seen. Maybe, as Mr. Wilson predicted, his mouth was becoming to big and dangerous.

    As for that prison cell, maybe it is those on the right that needs to look out.

    There will come a time when the PM is free to sue. Could end a a wealthy woman. Cannot see her buying a yacht as Hawke did.

    Maybe some would be more comfortable seeing her being PM into the distant future. Not too sure that Brandis is off the hook for his statements made in the upper house. Even there one can be held to account. One is not allowed to lie, or present misleading information.

    Abbott does not appear to have support from the cross benches in this matter. In fact the opposite appears to be true.

  146. The story for which Media Watch criticised me ran on August 26, 2003. The headline was “Abbott Set up Slush Fund to Ruin Hanson”. In the interview which led to the story, Abbott, then the Minister for Workplace Relations in the Howard Government, confirmed the fund he set up, called (not at all ironically) Australians for Honest Politics, had raised about $100,000 from anonymous donors to pay for legal actions against Pauline Hanson and her party, One Nation.
    Abbott further confirmed he had organised a separate “donor” to support a One Nation dissident, Terry Sharples, in seeking an injunction to block One Nation from receiving public electoral funds.
    Mr Abbott said the money was promised to cover Mr Sharples if the case failed and costs were awarded against him. Abbott acknowledged he’d organised a team of lawyers who would represent Mr Sharples without charge, and then a second team after Mr Sharples sacked the first.
    To quote further from that story: “Mr Abbott also acknowledged that he had at one time instructed his lawyers to offer Mr Sharples $10,000 of his own money if he would stop pursuing him for money to cover his huge court costs.
    “He said his $10,000 offer to Mr Sharples was made in light of a disputed agreement between them that Mr Sharples would be covered by an open-ended indemnity for the costs of action against Hanson and One Nation.”
    Abbott insisted the whole thing was done at his own initiative, and that neither John Howard nor anyone else in the government had been involved.
    Said Abbott in our interview: “There was myself and two other trustees. We raised … it may not have been $100,000 but it was certainly close to $100,000 and the job of Australians For Honest Politics was to fund court cases against One Nation.”…….

    http://www.theglobalmail.org/blog/in-politics-slush-happens/505/

    Wonder what story Leigh Sales won that award for last night. Could not be that one with Mr. Abbott.

  147. I nominate we string the lot up (all sides) on the flagpoles on Federation Mall and start from scratch!

    Let’s start by stringing up the Greens on lamp-posts, eh?

  148. Actually it is not up to MPs to get rid of other politicians. It is up to the voters, in one place only, the ballot box.

    This is something those from the right have trouble understanding.

    They see their role more akin to dictators.

  149. In the interview which led to the story, Abbott, then the Minister for Workplace Relations in the Howard Government, confirmed the fund he set up, called (not at all ironically) Australians for Honest Politics, had raised about $100,000 from anonymous donors to pay for legal actions against Pauline Hanson and her party, One Nation.

    This may itself have been a lie. There may have been a law firm, such as Harmers, which offered its services free to him, just as it has done recently for Kathy Jackson.

  150. Another indisputable fact is that they have to attack her character and actions from a distant past, show they cannot attack her policies or what she has achieved as PM.

    It they could, they would be.

  151. ……….Given 15 minutes to prosecute his case in Parliament, the best he could come up with was that Julia Gillard had engaged in ‘‘conduct unbecoming a prime minister’’, based on a ­misleading claim of what she had told corporate ­regulators in Western Australia…

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/abbott_makes_reckless_charge_under_sxX2vUXtKBZX6nENGETmgK#

    What is conduct unbecoming. I know one comes across the phrase in murder mysteries and other novels.

  152. Abbott acknowledged he’d organised a team of lawyers who would represent Mr Sharples without charge…

    Ah, yes. That would be Harmers.

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  154. …………………The government has set itself up to ‘‘go positive’’ next year, and while the Coalition acknowledges the need for Abbott to also do so, it keeps returning to the comfort of its negative political formula.

    As the parliamentary year ends, the only thing potentially standing between the Coalition and election victory is the electorate’s view of its leader.

    Thursday’s attack should give Coalition voters no reassurance that he can change his spots, but instead only becomes reckless under pressure.

    The Australian Financial Review

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/abbott_makes_reckless_charge_under_sxX2vUXtKBZX6nENGETmgK#

  155. So 230+ comments later and we still don’t have an answer to the original question? What a surprise.

    For those who have forgotten – the task was I’m giving them the opportunity to redeem themselves. I devote this thread to them where they can add some substance to their claims that Gillard is evil, the Government is toxic or why Abbott would make a better Prime Minister.

    The only condition is that I want evidence produced from reliable sources. Hence links to Andrew Bolt or The Australian, for example, will be disregarded.

    Come up with some good evidence. Or shut up.

  156. scaper, Home goal, Your point misses me.

    You say we hero worship the PM, and when we point out there is still more talent available to replace her. I will leave Rudd out of the equation. Labor does not have to go back to to the past, where Mr.Abbott seems to swell.

    By the way I believe history will write this woman up exceptional;ly well, even if she announce that she was standing down today. Can imagine how they will recall Abbott. Maybe in the same tomes as Billy Hughes and such people.

  157. Catching up
    December 1, 2012 @ 1:43 pm You just don’t get it. The factionless Rudd was used as the unions’ Trojan Horse to gain government. Once in, Gillard and Swan positioned themselves to destabilise Rudd and then knife him. The US government knew that Rudd was to get knifed before the Australian public.

    Gillard is a product of and under the control of the unions, that is not leadership. When Gillard finally washed the blood from her hands she said that Rudd was dysfunctional and she was going to fix the mining tax issue and also the boat people problem.

    On both counts she has failed badly. The miners ended up paying no tax and I doubt they will ever pay much and the boat people are coming in unprecedented numbers.

    Gillard also alluded to a budget surplus this income year. There will be no surplus as they have lost control of finances because they spent projected revenue which is not there. Last week they borrowed $3.2B just to pay for the groceries…the spending is unsustainable! I predict a deficit of just under $30B this income year based on their borrowings alone.

    No use crowing over the NDIS or Gonski either. There is no money for these programs and a lot of our most vulnerable citizens have had their hopes raised only to be dashed in the future in the name of an announcement to take the heat off other failed policies. This is cruel in the extreme.

    Never, in my memory have I seen a government attack its own citizens because they question policy. Never, in my memory that a government closed down an industry which now has been decimated without industry consultation or a sovereign nation that had its food security threatened and finding out from the media instead of consultation to rectify the situation.

    Never, in my memory have I seen a government attack captains of industry with the intent of creating a class war. Never, in my memory have I seen a government try to create a gender war. Never in my memory have I seen our defence force so underfunded.

    Never, in my memory have I seen a PM that demonstrates such gutter trash behaviour in Parliament as it is the responsibility of government to set the tone of debate.

    Gillard has not won the job of PM in her own right. Firstly, she stabbed Rudd and secondly…she was not put in the job by the people but the indies that went against the not socialist voters of their electorates.

    Gillard has demonstrated bad judgement all her life. From consorting with union scumbags, a long list of affairs with married men which resulted in family breakdowns and she will be convicted of fraud.

    The sooner she is gone, the better. Gillard and her consorts have hacked at the very fabric of our society that defines us and I don’t care who comes after her. Just want her gone!

    What type of people are you to defend her? Notice how the hit count is up lately? Well, they aren’t lefties, freak show at the carnival comes to mind.

  158. why Abbott would make a better Prime Minister.

    Abbott would be a better PM because his judgement is better. One of the things to come out of the AWU saga is Gillards poor judgement. The media went berserk when Julie Bishop had a 10 minute meeting with Blewett. Well Gillard was friends with Blewett for years. Gillard lived with a conman (Wilson) for years and she did not know?? Come on.

    Bad judgement was shown by dismantling Howards Pacific Solution and 1,000 deaths and 6 billion dollars latter they are trying to put it back together.

    The ALP is the party of the unforeseen stuff up. Most ALP policies end in disaster.

  159. Migs, sorry but I find the ‘premise’ of this thread as to proving why Abbortt would be a better PM a bit if’fy….. should’nt it be about ‘why he would be a better Ambassador’… ’cause the guy ain’t eva gunna be PM….. Ambasador to Tuvalu.., maybe… PM… never 😀
    🙂 but I could be wrong, maybe Treefog and Inain H.(christ) could project some ‘evidence’ into the thread…… though it is evident that their ‘evidence’ is evidently different to evidence based evidence provisions of giving evidence…… though I have no proof. 😉

  160. Neil, so we put you down as a.. ” ’cause he just is” then, …. Neil please go to the top of the page, re-read and then provide something better than ..”…..because his judgement is better” …. why is it better…. how is it better ….. based on ????….. (over to you NoS)……

  161. Judgement is better?…. Nyaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha 😆 😆

    This is the man (?) who spent / wasted two years on a campaign of lies and misinformation and fear rather than developing policies.

    He has backed every no hope Nag in every race ( this is not necessarily a direct reference to Bishop, Mirrabella, Jackson, Ashby, Brandis etc, although if the shoe fits? ).

    He has admitted to being a LIAR.

    He cannot answer a question.

    He looked a complete KNOB when he tried to bolt from parliament… Run Rabbott Run. (another poem I should repost here ).

    Face it Neil… ya got nothin!

    Cheers 😆 😆 😆

  162. LOVO That is the same argument that the troll Hall has,

    cause he just is” then, …. Neil please go to the top of the page, re-read and then provide something better than ..”…..because his judgement is better” …. why is it better…. how is it better ….. based on ????…

    The trolls have nothing positive, all negativity, like there hero Abbott, a confessed liar.

  163. So… more than 240 posts in, and not a word to show why Abbott should be supported.

    The Liberal WorkChoices Party fanatics have got nothin’!

    All Spin, No Substance.

  164. “the rorting of the $500 million Regional Partnerships program, with massively disproportionate grants being allocated to coalition seats”

    This comment by John Faulkner is not true. The Coalition got 70% of the money under the Regional Partnerships Scheme because they had 70% of the seats. After the 2004 election the Coalition won a lot of seats and approx. 70% of the Australian landmass was in Coalition hands.

    Only someone as dishonest as John Faulkner would suggest that a party with 30% of the seats in Regional Australia should get 50% of the money.

  165. So according to the weed AKA Treeman, ASIC keeps business honest. You really can’t make this shite up. I think ASIC should have an enquiry as to where it went wrong with Alan Bond the biggest corporate crook in Australia’s history.Who was exposed incidentally by a journalist not ASIC.

    Australian gaols are full of corrupt and dishonest business people, to make a comparison with the odd union official getting busted for corruption is laughable.

    Of course the biggest scandal of late was the debacle of the AWB which happened under the stewardship of the Liberal government.

  166. Wrong Neil. We went over and over with the regional rorts with you but as always you choose to ignore what doesn’t fit a very narrow view and highlight was does.

    Even with the majority of the seats there was millions in rorts and examples were given to you, but of course you just ignored them.

    Gillard is guilty just because she is, no evidence or otherwise.

    Abbott is not guilty just because he is even when the proof is in front of them.

    ….and it goes on with these hypocrites.

    Now Neil will go into circular arguments as he’s always done.

    In the meantime not a single lucid well laid out argument as to why Abbott would make a good PM, just lots of hypocrisy in attacking Gillard instead.

    Oh and as pointed out, negativity galore. Must be bad when they can’t say anything positive about their dunderhead hero.

  167. “This comment by John Faulkner is not true. The Coalition got 70% of the money under the Regional Partnerships Scheme because they had 70% of the seats. After the 2004 election the Coalition won a lot of seats and approx. 70% of the Australian landmass was in Coalition hands.”

    Yep to bankrupted companies for starters. National party slush fund, it was known as.

    Sorry it was true, and a national disgrace.

  168. Even with the majority of the seats there was millions in rorts and examples were given to you, but of course you just ignored them.”

    Nope. JohnFaulkner said this “with massively disproportionate grants being allocated to coalition seats

    This is not true. The Coalition got 70% of the grants because they had 70% of the seats. The success rate for grant approvals was the same for Coalition and Labor seats.

    It was a lie from hell that the Coalition got a disproportionate number of grants. And the Auditors report was clear on this.

    And Leadership is all about judgement. While Abbotts judgement may not be perfect it is better than Gillards. It says something that Gillard would not make it to the top in any company but she made it to the top in politics. She has other qualities that make up for her lack of judgement. Things like rat cunning, deception, lies, stabbing people in the back.

  169. Australian gaols are full of corrupt and dishonest business people, to make a comparison with the odd union official getting busted for corruption is laughable.

    And outside out gaols as well P.J.

    World history, and Australia is right up there, is littered with greedy and corrupt businessmen who not only ripped of and destroyed their businesses but the lives of workers, other businesses who depended on them and families.

    If you do a search you might find a study showing the amount of money lost and corruption in business to that in trade unions, and no guess that business is several order of magnitudes was more corrupt and caused more economic damage than any number of unions ever did.

    Let’s also not forget the fact that businesses also have unions, even though they don’t call them that, and there has been corruption and malfeasance over the years within them.

    So don’t give me the Trade Unions = Bad and Business = Good crap.

    There’s good and bad in both and needs to be a balance in both. Only trouble is the moment the Liberals get in, as Howard proved and the State Liberals are proving now, they throw away all semblance of balance and allow business to reign and dominate.

  170. Knew you would go into a circular argument Neil.

    Things like rat cunning, deception, lies, stabbing people in the back.

    Shit that describes Abbott to a tee and much worse if you were honest about him.

    How many lies and deceits has he been directly caught out in now. It’s almost every time he talks or in press conferences, where he runs away the moment he’s pulled up on a lie. How does that make him better than Gillard, who has always directly faced her accusers and accusation answering every question.

    She’s always had it over Abbott, even when she was in opposition she would wipe the benches with his parliamentary antics and bullshit, and is still doing it to this day.

    And who wants a PM on the world stage who freezes or brain farts whenever things get even a little bit sticky.

  171. Yes Cu, a $1m for an empty paddock and don’t even get started on the golf clubs, which for some strange reason seemed to be more important in country towns than failing businesses, crumbling infrastructure, public transport, health and education.

  172. I have never seem anywhere were Mr Blewitt and the PM were friends. Have never seen anything that suggest they even knew one another that well.

    Each lived on the opposite side on the continent.

    Her description of him at the second PG|C did not indicate that they have ever been friends.

    Mr. Blewitt has never claimed to be her friends, His comments indicate that he has ever liked her.

    Knowing someone does not make them friends.

    There was a comment made by the PM at that time, but no one seems to have taken up. I am sure that the PM said that it is Mr. Blewitt’s.s name on the document that set up the association. Replayed at the time. If so, this throws a different light on everything. Of course the PM could have misspoke or I heard wrong.

  173. It’s futile trying to get Fiberals to recognise the truth. One of them even denied that “Why Abbott would be a better PM” is one of the topics laid out by Miglo in the Opening Post of this thread. They deny that which is plain for all to see.

    Their greatest living hero is someone they dubbed The Lying Rodent. Says it all, really.

  174. It was Gillard who shook hands, verbally agreed and signed a document that she would bring in Wilkies gambling reforms if he backed her to form govt.

    After the election she broke her promise.

    That is how she deals with many people. Back alley morals from the PM.

  175. Abbott has also gone back on his word many time Neil.

    Just attacking Gillard for backflips doesn’t explain why Abbott would be better.

    Also remember Abbott in explaining one of his biggest back downs said “circumstances change”.

    So are you contending that it’s OK for Abbott to use the excuse of circumstances changing to back down and lie but not for anyone else.

  176. Where is the evidence that the PM and Mr. Wilson lived together for four years. The only evidence that I have seen is the PM lived alone in her home, and except for visiting, never shared a home with Mr. Wilson,

    In fact I heard Mr. Wilson say he spent much of his time on the west coast. That the house they bought was handy to use when he came east. He said it was also used for other union activities like work groups etc.

    Twenty years ago, it was not unusual for couple to go together for years without living together, especially when both lived individual busy lives.

    I seemed to recall a married premier, that he and his wife, lived in their own homes.

    Going together, does not automatically means living together.

    So many assumptions, so many ifs, to give this matter legs.

  177. “December 1, 2012 @ 1:43 pm You just don’t get it. ”

    No scaper, I am sorry, I just do not get or believe your assumptions have legs.

  178. Shit it would be difficult to count the number of times Howard broke promises and back stabbed people. So in singling out one Gillard incident you are being a hypocrite and not explaining why Abbott, who was also in the thick of Howard’s lies and betrayals, would be better.

    All you are doing is giving your opinion on why you think Gillard is bad, not why Abbott would be a good PM.

  179. The hit count is down on what it has been lately. On days it has been well up over 200, around 240 or more..

    I hope you are correct, because they will be going away, knowing the truth. If I am wrong, I am sure many will be willing to make a comment, that I am wrong.

  180. Cu they go on about Gillard going with Wilson as to her character, but always ignore Bishop’s past boyfriends, and indeed a couple of the others on the Liberal bench.

    What does Mirabella’s actions say about her character, but not a peep from the wingnuts on that.

  181. “Australians for Honest Politics, had :

    A misleading name indeed. Mr. Brandis based his case on the fact, that in his opinion, the name was misleading, and this is a crime. Therefore it is the same scenario for the above.

  182. “Can I have some of what CU is on?”

    The insults do not even change. I suspect you are on more, than I have ever tried or known of. Once I get this one, I know I have hit the spot..

  183. It must be the bottle of water I have on the desk. Even this is unusual for me, but it is hot and muggy here. Do not mind hot milk before going to bed, Could that be a problem scaper.

    Outside caffeine and alcohol, never tried any other drugs, not even for sleeping or staying awake.

    scaper, can you say the same.

    Sorry, for years I was a heavy smoker. Must be a decade or more since I have lit up.

    Aspirin is my drug of choice.

  184. 150,000 workers in the social and community sector get a pay rise today thanks to Julia Gillard, these are mostly women.

    When Abbott follows Newman etc. there will be huge pay cuts and slash and burn in the social and community sectors.

    One reason Abbott would make a worse PM.

  185. scaper, identify the words I have used that are so outlandish. Am interested to know what they could be.

  186. Migs gave the Trolls a paint brush so they could ‘paint’ their picture of Abbortt…… and they have responded by painting themselves into a corner….. LMFAO… well done Miglo, they have shown ‘all’ their substance……(abuse 😉 ).
    Trolls need help in answering topic…… heres a hint guys…. 5 w’s and a h…. 😆

  187. Yes Cu, a $1m for an empty paddock and don’t even get started on the golf clubs, which for some strange reason seemed to be more important in country towns than failing businesses, crumbling infrastructure, public transport, health and education.”

    The Regional Partnerships scheme was a good scheme and it would have made a better stimulus package than the BER.

    People in electorates filled in an application for for funding for projects that they wanted and the proposal was judged by the Public Service. The communites had good input into their proposals. It was the PS which made the final decision if the proposals were good enough (mainly).

    I read the Audit report so I know John “I am a liar” Faulkner is telling lies. There was no disproportionate funding. The Coalition got 70% of the funding because they had 70% of the seats.

    Some of the projects funded were 1. Upgrade Sawmilling Capacity to Meet Export Demand and AUSGUMFurniture Expansion projects, 2. Jarrahdale Heritage Park, 3. Redevelopment of Geraldton Surf Life Saving Club, 4. Lakes Creek Upgrade, 5. Beef Australia 2006, 6. Horse Australia 2005, 7. Carnarvon Recreational Marina, 8. Country Homes and Cabins, 9. Undercarriage Remanufacture Facility, 10.Sakai/CIC Business and Export Development

    The Labor Party abolished this scheme cancelling many hundreds of wonderful projects.

    The judgement of the ALP is like Gillards. Terrible.

    Gillard is only good at building more detention centers.

  188. The last announcement that Mr. Abbott and Mr. Morrison made, was decided on between three or four minsters,

    Did not go to cabinet or party room,

  189. Still not one word why Mr. Abbott will be better. Still nothing about what they believe Mr. Abbott will do.

  190. The best one I have from my friend, who is in no way a political animal, that he heard many saying on the radio, the the PM should take it on the chin.

    I am shamed to say, I let him have a ear full. He was distrusted when I explained to him, what the PM is expected to take on the chin. Repeated some of the words that come out of Pyne and Mirabella’s mouth. That was enough for him.

    That is the problem, many do not realize what is going on, of the abuse that comes across that table in both house. Senator Wong receives the same. It is time for the words to be in Hansard.

  191. Hall said this

    In any event I have provided good reasons to choose Abbott over Gillard in several of my previous comments.

    I have yet to see any evidence in you opinions as to why Abbott is better than the PM, even Halls rhetorical approach to answering questions is not very convincing.

  192. “And outside out gaols as well P.J.”

    Indeed they are Mobius Ecko. To make any comparison with the union movement borders on the barking mad. But, as you already know, right wingers are anti union end of story. They are uneducated oafs, most of whom have never read a book.

    The very life style we enjoy is down to progressives in the Labor movement and yes those dreaded unions. Debating the likes of Hall, N.O.S. Scraper, and Treeman is an utter waste of time. They are all by any yard stick pathologically barking bonkers. Especially Iain Hall who actually unlike the others, who are just like all of us being political animals so to speak, does believe his own rhetoric,.and really does not realise he is treated like the village idiot by most people who know of his endless prattle.

    The right wingers on this blog are becoming a laughing stock, total amusement, they know their hero and mentor is not going to make it to the lodge, and it is beginning to show.

    ,

  193. How many views has Mr. Abbott had on man climate change and how to deal with it.

    How many views on child care.

    Does he still want to hand the hospitals back to community groups to run.

    Does he still want the school to be handed over to boards, made up of parents.

    Would he allow his daughter to have the vaccination, that prevents then getting cancer, that he said he would not allow,

    Does he still tell his daughters, that the greatest gift they can give any man, is their virginity.

  194. They thought Gillard would be gone and their gormless man would just walk in and not have to prove himself in any way. As attack after attack failed and their deceits and lies kept being revealed, only getting air because of a compliant and equally bereft media, you could see their desperation, shrillness and indeed way out there wacky silliness increase in scope and idiocy.

    Then they thought they had Gillard this time on something that’s been regurgitated several time before, but so ingrained are they in their mindless following, indeed in their deep need to be a mindless follower, read up on it, across the interwebs they were all celebrating the imminent fall of Gillard, and you should have read the posts, my god they were sick and frightening.

    If they’d for an instance got out of their vacuous conformity of believing every lie and scam the right wing put out there, and especially from the Liberals who under Abbott and of Abbott, have lied and deceived from the last election campaign, they would have quickly realised this who Gillard farce was always going to come to nothing.

    Shit, surely seeing the coward Abbott throw in Ms. Bishop, who has a shady history to hide, should have been more than enough indication there was little in this but smear.

    But no they jumped on it, as they always do and always will, and as they always do won’t admit their failure or that of their leader and decrepit party, so project and throw in strawmen galore. Sad and funny at the same time.

  195. Neil, you must have missed it. the poker bill became law this week. Listened to two days of debate. Speaker after speaker from the right, standing up and defending the industry., Not much concern for the addict, in fact none at all.

    No, it is not all that the indi wanted. What passed was what is feasible, and all involved believe is a good start.

    Yes, there is much more going on in Canberra and the parliament, than Mr,. Abbott’s rants and raves. They are just a side show, and not one that takes up much energy of the government at that. We have the rivers legislation put to bed. after one hundred years. . The list goes on and on and on.

    As well as bills being finalized, there are others such as NDIS and Gonski that have been introduced.

  196. Tony Abbott would be a better PM because………
    THERE made a start for ya NoS……
    …. and heres an Abbott quote you may want to include.. “‘If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.’” or how about this to give you a push in the, umm, ‘right’ direction …

  197. Migs, great fun post…… talk aboot come in spinner…. 😆 😆 😆 …. they can’t do it, LMFAO, …… HEY TROLLS *EPIC FAIL* …. and all can see, oh gaffaw 😆

  198. “50,000 workers in the social and community sector get a pay rise today thanks to Julia Gillard, these are mostly women.:

    When the Opposition was being questioned about childcare, the spokesman was asked what they would so about the low pay in the industry. Well the answer is nothing, they can go to the FWA, if they want redress.

    It was clear there would be no extra government money. Therefore it would be the parent that will be paying.

  199. I should add, it will be they parents that now used child care centres. The money for the nanny’s will also come from them

  200. ‘…why Abbott would make a better Prime Minister?’

    Hw has pledged to create a million jobs over five years.

  201. Neil of Sydney, you are such an imbecile, the BER saved the whole of the country, both city and country schools benefited in a huge way. The chippies, brickies, plumbers, roofers etc (you know – the ones that keep this country going) to name just a few all benefited as well. Then there were all of the people who were still in work at this time, still able to provide food and a roof over the heads of their families.
    If your dear fearless leader had been in power, none of this would have happened and the country would have just ended up like the rest of the countries that are still trying to recover from the GFC. You people have a really short memory.

  202. So far this government has created around 500,000 jobs over the last three years, so Abbott’s pledge based on nothing but thin air, and coming from a man who constantly lies about what he can do and what the government does, is fairly meaningless.

  203. The biggest political story of the year is how Julia Gillard has turned weakness into strength as she continues to impose her authority. Picture: Gary Ramage Source: The Australian
    THE final parliamentary week of 2012 was dominated by the stunning political persona of Julia Gillard – fierce, feminist and unrestrained – whose will-to-survival is Labor’s last, best but highly dangerous hope.

    The real Julia is unleashed in her self-righteous fury and calculated aggression. Her voice now bounces across the summer landscape invading homes, hotels and workplaces. Her arch opponent, Tony Abbott, is traduced as sexist, relentlessly negative and an agent of smear as the nation divides between those who applaud Julia and those appalled by her.

    Gillard has summoned up all the hostility and prejudice directed towards her and thrown it back in the face of her accusers with added venom. At the dispatch box her vituperation assumes a shocking, sharper edge precisely because she is a woman, yet it disappears when she momentarily falters in the chamber consumed by grief and compelled to reference the death of her father whom she loved deeply.

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    While the media is obsessed about Abbott’s less than complex character and personality it seems struck dumb by Gillard who, in her transformation as Prime Minister, is the much more challenging psychological and political study. Was it as recent as the 2010 campaign the public got confused between real and fake Julia?

    Gillard has resolved the confusion by the projection of a deeply polarising though tenacious persona, using her sex to attack her opponent, having to endure the humiliation of her past choice of male partners put on public display and recruiting a series of causes from disability to school education to entrench a true believer-caring identit………….

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/finally-the-real-julia/story-e6frg74x-1226527769386

    yes, the PM for over two years has quietly sat by, taking it on the chin. The PM is the meantime, has used her energy on getting the runs on the board and things done.

    Yes, the PM knew she could rely on Mr. Abbott to over reach and go too far, as long as she gave him enough rope.

    As the card sharp said, there is a time to play, a time to fold. .

    Mr, Abbott has not heed the warning that have coming fast and thick, it is the time to fold. The pols are telling him this, He would rather blame being accused of being a sexist as the cause.

    The PM is now operating from a position of strength. Many in the media, realize that an are backing of at a rate of knots.

    Yes, the circus is moving on, but I suspect that Mr. Abbott has fell by the wayside, with nowhere to go. Nothing to offer, as his supporters here have reaffirmed today.

  204. Hanging on the wall in the Prime Minister’s office for most of the past two years was a framed caricature of Julia Gillard with a nose so absurdly large that it would surely topple any human fated to wield it.
    Politicians need to develop thick skins, but Gillard chose to cohabit with this gratuitous piece of ridicule. This is a politician with not just a thick skin but an elephantine hide.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/pm-lives-to-fight-another-day-20121130-2amng.html#ixzz2Dmaa1RN2

  205. The people had returned a hung parliament and she was about to enter a contest with Tony Abbott to see who could piece together a majority. Power was in the balance and so was her position and her place in history.
    Gillard bore no trace of an anxious night, the wrench of disappointment, the tension of the negotiation to come. She was breezy and relaxed, a smile on her face, a joke on her lips.
    As we took our seats, she joked about how the undersized ochre armchairs in her Canberra office, themed to the Australian outback, were so tightly restrictive that she dubbed them “gumnuts”.
    Gordon recalls that she was “focused on the next step”. Rather than seeming stressed or careworn, regretful or introspective, “she was refreshed and up for it”.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/pm-lives-to-fight-another-day-20121130-2amng.html#ixzz2DmbN9cvh

  206. Neil of Sydney, you are such an imbecile, the BER saved the whole of the country, both city and country schools benefited in a huge way.”

    An unprovable statement. But it is what you want to believe.

    So the govt saved the country?? Yeah right.

    The BER was a waste of money. It was a poor spend of taxpayers money. You lot were just lucky that Labor was handed an economy with unemployment at 4.3% (not seen since the 1970’s) and no Federal govt debt.

    You people think money grows on trees. What usually happens is Labor creates a mess when in power and then people get worried, vote in the Coalition to clean up the mess and the cycle continues.

    Labor people have no good judgement. Gillard has poor judgement. Imagine having a con man for a boyfriend?? Poor judgement means that 1,000 asylum seekers drowned and we are now spending $6B more on asylum seekers since 2007.

  207. Laurie Oakes, 24 August 2012

    Let’s not beat about the bush. Tony Abbott tells lies.

    So what? Is there anything surprising about that? After all, he’s a politician.

    But it needs to be pointed out because the central message from Abbott supporters is that the Prime Minister is the liar – Ju-liar, in fact, according to the likes of Alan Jones. {Cuppa’s note: That’s Right-Wing Projection}

    The Opposition Leader is portrayed – and portrays himself – as the epitomy of honesty. A man whose word can always be trusted.

    […]

    When Mr Abbott stuck to his claim despite what Mr Kloppers had said, interviewer Leigh Sales asked: “Have you actually read BHP’s statements?”

    Mr Abbott replied: “No”.

    That extraordinary admission led to widespread criticism of the Opposition Leader, so next day he claimed he had read the BHP announcement after all – soon after it was made.

    […]

    As I see it the Opposition Leader has largely got away with being shamelessly loose with the truth, if only because attention has been focused on his opponent, but perhaps now it is starting to catch up with him.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/tony-abbott-has-made-a-string-of-false-claims-about-the-impact-of-the-carbon-tax/story-e6freakc-1226457617348

  208. I will decide the questions that I’ll answer and the circumstances that I’ll answer them in

    Clearly this woman will never tell the truth

  209. LET’S not beat about the bush. To my mind, Tony Abbott tells lies.

    So what? Is there anything surprising about that? After all, he’s a politician.

    But it needs to be pointed out because the central message from Abbott supporters is that the Prime Minister is the liar – Ju-liar, in fact, according to the likes of Alan Jones.

    The Opposition Leader is portrayed – and portrays himself – as the epitomy of honesty. A man whose word can always be trusted.

    Mr Abbott’s lieutenants were even pleased when he was tossed out of Parliament on Monday because it got his offending comment – accusing Julia Gillard of lying – into the headlines.

    Mr Abbott’s own truthfulness came under the microscope, however, after a blundering performance in an interview on ABC TV’s 7.30 program on Wednesday evening
    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/tony-abbott-has-made-a-string-of-false-claims-about-the-impact-of-the-carbon-tax/story-e6freakc-1226457617348

  210. Poor Treeman left to posting YouTube vids he thinks makes his narrow minded case instead of actually telling us why Abbott is so great. What amuses small minds I guess.

    Other trouble for Treeman’s lame tactic is that there’s far more hilarious vids of Abbott’s stuff ups and comedic interviews than any other pollie, including several from the Chaser/Hamster Wheel.

  211. 300+ posts in, and still not a squeak from the right wing trolls as to why Abbott should be supported.
    ________________

    More BS, running and hiding from the Fiberal Party leader. Sydney Morning Herald, 13 September 2012:

    Mr Abbott said he laid low yesterday out of respect for the funeral of a soldier killed in Afghanistan. He has given interviews on four other occasions when such funerals were held.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/punch-witness-comes-forward-with-tales-of-anarchy-in-the-src-20120912-25sxx.html

  212. ‘Has he detailed how he will create those million jobs is it like all his other brain farts?’

    Abbott’s a bit vague on the detail, but in 2013 we’ll get a glimpse.

    ‘Mr Abbott, dubbed ‘‘Mr Negativity’’ by the government, told his MPs: ‘‘I want the Australian people to vote for us, not simply to vote against someone else.

    ‘‘Over the coming year, we will deliver the detailed policies that will put in place the commitments that we have already offered the Australian people.

    ‘‘The detailed policies will start early in the new year because I want the Australian people, not just to vote against the current government – I want them to positively vote for this Coalition,’’ he said.

    ‘On jobs, he said: ‘‘If we can do what we have pledged to the Australian people that we will strive to deliver – and I am so confident that we can – we will deliver a million new jobs over five years, 2 million new jobs over a decade.’’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-pledges-million-jobs-over-first-five-years-20121127-2a5ui.html#ixzz2Dmm3Qx1I

  213. el gordo, Mr. Abbott is going to be too busy with his demolition team to build anything.

    We will be lucky to have an economy left, to build jobs.

    The opposite is more likely, that they number of jobs that go, will be what we are counting,

  214. In 2004 Abbott (with the other Lieberals) pledged “record low interest rates”. They ran ads on TV promising this. What happened? Ten interest rate rises in a row. The longest period of rate tightening on record. Interest rates consistently among the highest in the OECD.

    ________________

    In 2010 he “pledged” to Andrew Wilkie to DOUBLE the humanitarian refugee intake.

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbott-offered-to-double-refugee-intake-says-wilkie-20101219-191xe.html

    Now he’s “pledged” to SLASH the intake by 6,000 places.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-23/abbott-plans-to-reduce-refugee-intake/4387948

    ________________

    He stood behind John Howard in 2007 to pledge, quote: “the world’s most comprehensive emissions trading system”. After the election he said the science behind climate change is “absolute crap”. (Later still, he said he does believe it’s happening and man contributes).

    ________________

    He pledged “no new taxes. Then a month later he pledged a Great Big New Tax that would hit more than six times as many businesses as Labor’s carbon price. A tax that would push up the cost of living for every consumer in Australia.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/maiden-tonys-great-big-tax/story-fn6br25t-1226295921746

  215. We’ll axe 12,000 public sector jobs, says Joe Hockey

    Opposition Treasury spokesman Joe Hockey has refused to quarantine any federal departments from 12,000 redundancies slated under a Coalition government.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/well-axe-12000-public-sector-jobs-says-joe-hockey/story-fn59niix-1226083112182

    They would do as their LNP counterparts are doing in Queensland: abolish thousands of jobs, an action with enormous multiplier effects through the wider economy, pushing unemployment UP. Unemployment increases in Brisbane as jobs dry up

  216. He will screw the public service and create free enterprise jobs.

    Infrastructure spending will be popular.

  217. Lieberals don’t build infrastructure, el grubo. Haven’t you ‘got’ that by now? Besides, there’s a $70 billion hole in their budget figures. All they would ever ‘build’ is a torrent of Spin, supped on unthinkingly by the likes of yourself.

  218. Lieberals don’t build infrastructure, el grubo.

    Well I think the Coalition would disagree.

    http://www.lukehartsuyker.com.au/speeches/speeches-2008/244-main-committee-auslink-national-land-transport-amendment-bill-2008-second-reading-i-welcome-the-opportunity-to-speak-on-the-auslink-national-land-transport-amendment-bill-2008-i-am-pleased-that-the-roads-to-recovery-program-will-be-continued-for-anot.html

    I welcome the opportunity to speak on the AusLink (National Land Transport) Amendment Bill 2008. I am pleased that the Roads to Recovery program will be continued for another five years. AusLink is one of the great achievements of the Howard government. The Prime Minister continues to make grand statements about his government’s so-called nation-building agenda, but the real nation-building agenda was pursued by the previous government.

    Prior to the AusLink white paper, Australia had never developed a comprehensive land transport strategy. It was the Howard government that initiated this plan, and Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson was instrumental in the development of AusLink. We should also remember that AusLink was possible only because of the coalition’s responsible economic management, which paid off Labor’s debt and established a culture of saving. If you drive north from Sydney, you will see AusLink at work. The New South Wales state government has been underfunding our roads for many years, and the AusLink program has been a godsend for the people up and down the coast of New South Wales, who have been enduring the substandard Pacific Highway for far too long. Great lengths of the highway have already been upgraded to dual carriageway, and there are significant lengths of dual carriageway under construction. Massive projects like the Bulahdelah bypass and the Coopernook to Moorland upgrade are currently under construction.”

  219. You’re posting links to a Liberal MP, Nil? Note Migs conditions at the top of thread:

    The only condition is that I want evidence produced from reliable sources. Hence links to Andrew Bolt or The Australian, for example, will be disregarded.

    As the likes of the OO and Blot are disregarded, it goes without saying that so too are their political extensions, parliamentary Lieberals.

  220. You can google Auslink yourself or read this link

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AusLink

    AusLink was an Australian Government land transport funding program, established in June 2004 and administered by the Department of Transport and Regional Services. In 2009 it was replaced with the Nation Building Program under the Nation Building Program (National Land Transport) Act 2009.”

    The Coalition spent billions on infrastructure.

  221. Let’s not forget that the Right’s contention that Gillard is a liar rests mainly on the assertion that she lied about introducing a carbon tax. This assertion itself rests on several other lies, namely that the carbon price is a tax and not part of an ETS, and that limiting carbon emissions is not necessary because of the following lies:
    either a) that CO2 does not increase global temperatures; b) that temperatures have not increased; or c) that scientists have conspired to supply false information.

    The recent news of the permafrost melt has undermined these lies, and so the denialists are decreasing rapidly in numbers, undermining the ideological base upon which the Libs depend.

  222. Neil, I believe very little of that was delivered. Promised many times, that was Mr. Howard;s want, delivered, I believe not.

  223. The Coalition spent billions on infrastructure.

    They also spend billions on government advertising, that is spin propaganda.

    The Howard Lieberal government was the biggest per-capita spender on propaganda IN THE WORLD.

    Not satisfied with having among the most concentrated media landscapes of any democracy natively spinning in their favour, they embellish the stranglehold on public manipulation by unmatched advertising outlays.

    The only way they ever get a majority of people to support them is through Orwellian levels of spin, lies, fear and smear and propaganda.

    All Spin, No Substance.

  224. How about a Govt website??

    http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/department/statements/2004_2005/media/auslink.aspx

    Auslink At A Glance

    The 2004-05 Budget sets out the funding for the Government’s new land transport plan, AusLink, which will incorporate the National Highway system, many Roads of National Importance and other freight links into a broader network of transport corridors.

    It is an $11.4 billion plan to transform the way Australia funds its roads and railways. It consists of almost $11 billion in land transport funding over the next five years and a $450 million grant in 2003-04 for investment in the interstate rail system.”

    The Coalition spent billions on infrastructure.

  225. Again around in circles Neil. We’ve gone over this I don’t know how many times with you.

    One program is all you quote and it was Labor who came in and extended it further after Howard stopped funding it even though he was raking in record revenue.

    But going around in circles is all you know. You just have one or two points and regurgitate them over and again, just wasting everyone’s time.

  226. el gordo. Abbott’s pledges have all been full of if and buts and maybes with so many get out of jail for free loopholes in the statements he’s setting up to do a Newman, even to the point of having a staged audit commission to fudge the economic figures.

    The moment Abbott unconditionally guarantees a pledge on his job then he might be believed, but even then he will lie about it and have excuses prepared when he breaks his guarantee.

  227. They also spend billions on government advertising, that is spin propaganda.”

    Looks like Labor is doing this as well after promising not to. Another broken ALP promise.

    Some adds for the NBN have been on television. I find this wrong. It is advertisement for a program that has not been finished. Labor have done this for other programs that have not even been legislated.

    Govts need to advertise. Especially changes in govt policy like Superannuation. At least with Workchoices the advertisements were for a program that was law of the land.

    But advertising programs that have not been finished is the worst kind of propaganda. It raises hopes that will be dashed.

  228. Neil that is just a plan and a proposed budget, not what was eventually spent and achieved. Howard was known for not spending the complete amount he budgeted for, often short changing projects and policies.

    One of his tricks was to put such onerous conditions on the spending it was very difficult to meet them all, so money was left unspent and rolled back into his revenue whilst he claimed he had “budgeted” for the full amount.

    Some started questioning this practice and sought the budget to actual outlays for Howard government policies through FOI. Costello went to caught and won that it was not in the public interest for people to know exactly how much was actually spent on any policy or program.

    This became such a hot potato for the Howard government in the end they bought in the Charter of Budget Honest, which they promptly ignored at the first instance of its use.

  229. they embellish the stranglehold on public manipulation by unmatched advertising outlays.”

    It is statement like this that causes me to distrust ALP supporters. While Howard spent a lot on advertsing so did the State govts. Actually Bracks, Carr, Beattie outspent the Commonwealth.

    How can you condemn Howard but not condemn the ALP Sate govts??

    I find the NBN advertisements disgusting. The NBN most probably will never be built. It is partisan political propaganda funded by the taxpayer. At least Workchoices was law of the land and this new IR system needed to be advertised.

  230. All circles again Neil and off the topic.

    Still not a lucid answer anywhere as to why Abbott would be a good PM.

    You’re a hypocrite of the first order Neil. You are condemning things the ALP are doing that Howard did over a decade but not once not ever did you ever condemn Howard for anything.

    We have gone round in these circles many time Neil and all you ever do is bring up the same point every single time. We show where we have criticised Labor, none more than the last NSW Labor government, but you just ignore that and say we don’t criticise them, whilst in the meantime you never ever have a bad word against the Liberals and lots of lame excuses for them

    Why would Abbott make a good PM?

  231. Neil’s next trick will be to ignore whatever you pick him up on and move onto another of his handful of Labor hate topics he’s thrown up many times before.

  232. You are condemning things the ALP are doing that Howard did over a decade”

    It was a promise by Rudd not to do political advertising.

    Actually other than the amount spent I did not have too much trouble with Howards advertising. The amount spent on Workchoices adds was over the top but Workchoices needed to be advertised.

    But Labor is advertising things that have not been finished. This is TOTALLY different. Things like the NBN and taking dominant health funding.

    Why would Abbott make a good PM?

    I told you many posts ago. JUDGEMENT.

    His judgement is better than Gillards. Gillard has no talent. She has alley cat morals and has no good judgement.

    Good judgement is what you need in a leader.

    Gillard does not have it. Neither do ALP supporters. The Coalition has to clean up the mess you people create when in govt every time.

  233. Liberal mates milked millions from Howard’s ad bonanza

    Bernard Keane, Crikey.com.au, 13 March 2008

    The Australian National Audit Office released its audit of the Howard Government’s advertising processes last week. In the dry and understated way of auditors, it is absolutely savage. It makes the famous Regional Partnerships report that went off like a bomb during the 2007 election campaign look like a model of best practice.

    But what is even more damning is what isn’t explicit in the report: that several senior Liberal Party mates were given millions of dollars of taxpayers’ money with no evidence they would provide value for money and no way of checking afterward whether they had provided it.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20090313-Howard-micro-managing-advertising.html

  234. Round in circles and off topic, not surprise from you Neil.

    Howard often advertised things that weren’t finished and even stuff that wasn’t started so he could sell a bad idea. So again you are being a hypocrite, condemning Labor for things Howard often did and in a far greater degree and more often.

    I think you have it totally wrong Neil and the facts show it’s Labor that needs to come in and fix the long term damage wrought by the Liberals.

    But still no reasons as to why Abbott, a confirmed liar, even a self confessed one, who has backflipped many times, runs away from questions he doesn’t like and has brain farts that have $70 billion in unfunded liabilities would make a better PM.

  235. Remember my feelings about Blewitt, that I could smell them. Appears I could have been right. Wonder if that is the reason he fled the country.

    THE CHILLING TRUTH: Ralph Blewitt raped his sister

    The Prime Minister’s principal accuser in an ancient saga relating to the admitted misuse of monies from an inappropriately titled union re-election fund by its principals has been denounced by his…

    vexnews.com · Tweet this story

  236. Labor reforms mean tough choices: PM

    Labor will outline how it will fund a national disability scheme and greater school spending in the May budget but Prime Minister Julia Gillard warned that will mean Australians face tough choices at…

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  237. Minority government was not meant to be this easy. And, for Tony Abbott, it has not been. The knife-edge election result of 2010 was difficult enough for Abbott to accept, but the independents’ protracted decision to support the minority Labor government has been almost unendurable. So close and still, two years later, so far…

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4401340.html

    Why has it been so easy??????????????????

    Could it be, we have an Opposition leader who can only manage to focus on one thing sat a time.

  238. FIRST ON 7NEWS: Pennelope Lennon is the sister of Ralph Blewitt, the self-confessed fraudster at the centre of the AWU slush fund affair, but she wishes she wasn’t.

    She has spoken exclusively to 7News, warning of dark secrets in the past, and says she wants the public to know the truth.

    PENNELOPE LENNON: I hate Ralph Blewitt and if the people out there know what he’s done they wouldn’t be backing him.

    MARK RILEY: You’ve spoken to the police about these matters?

    LENNON: I have.

    RILEY: We can’t broadcast the allegations, but Mrs Lennon cautions politicians against trusting her brother.

    LENNON: I don’t hold political favours or favourites to either side. This man is out to destroy lives. I know he’s already bloody destroyed mine.

    RILEY: Pennelope says she’s got nothing to gain by going public, but felt compelled to after seeing her brother on television.

    LENNON: He’s an imbecile, he’s an idiot, and he’s a scumbag!

    RILEY: This is your brother you’re talking about?

    LENNON: I hate him.

    RILEY: Hate is a really strong word.

    LENNON: I’m 60-years-old and I’m still suffering because of what he did to me. I was a young girl.

    Pennelope is the young girl in this photo, Ralph Blewitt is on the right in the uniform. Photo: 7News

    “I was made to be in that photo. I think you can see from the look on my face I didn’t want to be near him.”

    RILEY: You’re not doing this for money, you’re not doing it for exposure, so why are you doing it?

    LENNON: Because he couldn’t be punished for what he did to me when I was younger.]

    He needs to be punished for what he’s doing now, for what he did to the AWU, for what he did with all those worker’s money that they paid him, the companies that he defrauded.

    That would give me satisfaction in my life, if he were now to be charged with fraud, and some sort of imprisonment, and that’s all I want out of this.

    RILEY: Ralph Blewitt has flown back to Malaysia. The man who financed his trip to Canberra, researcher Harry Nowicki, said today that Ms Lennon was just ‘attacking his mate’s character’.

    He pointed out that Mrs Lennon hasn’t spoken to her brother since their father died 19 years ago.

    Pennelope Lennon says there’s a good reason for that, and now hopes other family members will come forward with their stories.

    LENNON: He’s openly admitted to fraud. Now come on Ralph, openly admit to what you did to your sister all those years ago.
    http://l.yimg.com/ea/img/-/121130/awu_hero_400_18bgmd5-18bgmd8.jpg?x=292&sig=qA3SohLMOja5mgYma2STJg–

  239. Cuppa

    I detest Bernard Keane. He is just a partisan deadbeat and I would not trust anything he says unless I check it out. But Labor after saying they would be different regarding political advertising are no different and are most probably worse.

    http://www.news.com.au/national-old/kevin-rudd-defends-mining-ads/story-e6frfkvr-1225872937660

    In order to run the ads, the government has waived its own guidelines, which aim to restrict political advertising.

    Get that?? After saying they would be different and introducing guidelines proving they would be different they overturned their own rules.

    They are therefore no different to Howard and are most probably worse. They are advertising health reforms that never happened and an NBN that will most probably never be built.

    This is political propaganda of the worst kind.

    Labor will outline how it will fund a national disability scheme and greater school spending in the May budget”

    And pigs fly. Maybe they will abolish the military to fund their scheme??

  240. Catching Up,

    It looks like an error in that piece. If you take the word “this” out of the first sentence it makes more sense:

    Minority government was not meant to be this easy. And, for Tony Abbott, it has not been.

  241. ……….are of it during the week when we became aware of another story about Ralph Blewitt but were restrained from publishing the filthy details.

    Now his sister has spoken up with Mark Riley on the Seven Network, we have been released from this constraint and can report the sordid and disturbing truth claimed by his victim:

    Ralph Blewitt raped his sister.

    Penelope Lennon has bravely spoken out about the trauma because she was so disgusted, outraged and horrified about her evil brother being considered a font of truth by one side of politics and some in the media.

    Blewitt has returned to Malaysia rather than face these new and chilling claims.

    As Seven reported tonight:..

    http://www.vexnews.com/2012/11/the-chilling-truth-ralph-blewitt-raped-his-sister/

  242. Mr. Abbott and Ms. Bishop definitely show they have good judgement. The PM did warn them, along with Mr. Wilson.

    This lady has gone to the police. They did not say when, but t could explain the man’s hurried departure,

  243. CU

    Your links just prove what poor judgement Gillard has. She associated with these people. She had a relationship with a known conman (Wilson).

    Gillard would not make it in any company. She was thrown out of Slater and Gordon.

    And from what has been published Gillard will be very very lucky if she is not charged for some criminal offense.

    “Hmmmm, if BK gets under Nil’s skin he’s obviously on the right track
    .”

    No, liars and deceitful people get under my skin. Poor old Bernard Keane. Writes an article about how much better Labor is regarding political advertising and then they overturn their own guidelines so they can produce political propaganda far worse than anything Howard did.

    Workchoices was law of the land and needed to be advertised. I have no problems with adds for Fair Work Australia. These new IR laws need to be advertised.

    But advertisements for programs that have not been finished?? This is political propaganda using my tax money.

  244. Ærchiearchive
    ‏@archiearchive
    What is this “Prove your innocence” tripe I am hearing from Lawyer Bishop? What law system have we suddenly gained?
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  245. Follow

    Preston Towers
    ‏@prestontowers
    Curiosity question – Margo Kingston can’t get an article published by the Drum, but Reith can anytime.
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  246. Neil, that is the twist that is being put on the story by like minded people. Go back the the last PC. The description that the PM gave of the man, outside the cowards castle was scathing. One could not say that the PM seen this man as a friend of hers. There is no evidence that he was ever a friend. An acquaintance yes, friend no.

    I was married to one of the scrum. They are clever at taking people in.

    Mr. Blewitt lives in Perth,in case you have forgotten.

    I am not too sure I would be proud to call iron bar Tuckey one of my friends, let alone lover.

  247. Let get this clear. The PM is not guilty of any criminal offence. Will not be charged with any.

    In spite of the campaign for the last two months, there is no evidence of any offence.

    Guilt by association is not an offence under law. Never was, never will be.

  248. Zero writes “No, liars and deceitful people get under my skin.”
    Then you must really hate Abbott, Bishop, Brandis, Pyne, Mirrabella, Turnbull,etc etc, not to mention yourself who lied two sentences earlier, when you said “She was thrown out of Slater and Gordon”, not to mention all the other BS post that you have made on this and every other thread you have ever posted on.

    Zero describes your credibility, honesty, integrity, intelligence, comprehension and ability to formulate an original thought.

    What A KNOB!

  249. Follow

    Judge ‘n Jury rocket
    ‏@sprocket___
    Tony Abbott spent $33,101 on phones in 6 months, twice more than the next politician. Putting Peter Reiths record to shame #auspol
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    ‏@profsarahj
    So Abbott would cut humanitarian program by 6000 to save $$, & spend it on a judicial inquiry into a 17 yo issue involving ex PM #priorities
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  250. When forced to admit that Ralph Blewitt was a fraudster, Julie Bishop showed good judgment in running away from the media.

  251. Zero describes your credibility, honesty, integrity, intelligence, comprehension and ability to formulate an original thought.

    Thanks for the compliment.

    Do you have any evidence that Gillard was not thrown out of Slater and Gordon?? I think this will eventually come out.

    My posts are accurate. Labors political advertising is wrong. I have no problems with adds for Fair Work Australia for example. The new IR system needs to be advertised.

    But advertisements for health reform which have not been legislated and an NBN that will never be built is wrong.

    Shame on you for not condemning this.

    Your judgement is as bad as Gillards.

  252. Rounding on 350 comments. Lashings of their spin and oft-refuted RW talking points, and still nothing from the Liberal spammers to show why Abbott would be a good PM.

    A conspicuous failure for them, and a lot of fun for the rest of us to watch them making fools of themselves. 😀

  253. You’re welcome!

    Apart from S & Gs own statement about her leaving, no company would name a room after someone that was sacked.
    But I have complete confidence in the fact that you would not possibly let truth, fact or reason get in the way of your own sad delusions.

    Yes your post are accurate, in your own delusional mind and the parallel universe that you inhabit, but in the real world….. ya got nothin’.

  254. If she was thrown out. Why have they named a room in her honour. Why do they invite her back every years as a honoured guest.

    The other myth is that Slater and Gordon do not handle AWU accounts. They do.

    These are just tow of the lies that Mr. Abbott repeated on Thursday and Friday morning, among others.

  255. A conspicuous failure for them, and a lot of fun for the rest of us to watch them making fools of themselves.”

    Your comment shows that your judgement is as bad as Gillards. You are also telling lies. I gave my answer. JUDGEMENT.

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/bishop-defends-meeting-with-blewitt-20121127-2a5kl.html

    Ms Bishop said her meeting did not compare with Ms Gillard’s “four-year personal friendship” with Mr Blewitt who worked with her then partner, AWU official Bruce Wilson. Surely the prime minister is not suggesting that I shouldn’t spend 10 minutes with a man that she considered one of her closest friends over four years and for whom she did free legal work,” Ms Bishop said……………………The only interest I had in meeting with him is he’d met with police and I wanted to know whether he produced any further documents,” she said.”

    And Gillard associated with a conman who was her boyfriend and Blewitt.

    What has our country come to???

  256. Even the ex partner said that the firm gave the PM the benefit of that doubt, He did not.

    Does that suggest she was sacked. I suggest the opposite is true.

    The PM went on long service leave, in an attempt to gain a senate seat. She was unsuccessful. She resigned soon after, to further her political career.

    Neil the stories, assumptions or conclusions you are repeating, come from the feverish imagination of Ms. Bishop, and probably Mr. Brandis.

  257. Nil,

    You were asked for evidence. Show EVIDENCE of Abbott’s judgement. All you’ve done is ASSERT. Right-wing assertion of anything is intrinsically unreliable.

  258. el gordo, how. Where is the evidence that the PM had a four year friendship with Blewitt. Where is the proof they were even friends.

    What we do know from what the PM said about the man at that PC, which amounted to serious defamation, the PM thought he was the lowest of scrum, She said so in no uncertain words,

    Does not sound like friendship to me. As to Mr. Wilson, when she discovered he was not the man she thought he was, she quickly dumped him as well.

  259. Thought this might explain it for all you trolls.

    In your guts you know he’s nuts.

    In your guts… you know he’s nuts
    The Abbott’s more than a… political clutz
    His mouth springs open
    While his brain just shuts
    If the Abbott played golf he’d play
    No drive… bad putts

    It’s really sad.. the Abbott’s mad
    His economic creds.. are just plain bad
    On… foreign… policy
    He’s… a bit of a…. lad
    And his attitude to Women
    Is rough… just a tad

    He’s politically lazy.. but he’s also crazy
    His policy platform’s… kinda hazy
    His ears.. might be cauliflower
    But his brain’s… pure daisy
    And his temperament he struggles with
    Cos his anger’s… quite.. blazey

    Though lacking hearts.. his team.. play their parts
    With very few finishes …despite.. plenty of starts
    Avoiding talk on… policy
    Yet defending Abbotts.. brain farts
    While their lies.. spin and dishonesty
    Are rating…. off the charts

    Chrissy Pyne.. thinks he’s just.. fine
    But the mincing poodle’s… full of whine
    Bishops class… is just a farce
    As she’s always talking through her… arse
    Sloppy Joe Hockey… is always cocky
    Though to say the least.. his maths are rocky

    Barnaby…. lets his mouth.. run free
    But he can’t see the wood.. cos it’s hidden in the tree
    Turnbulls creds… are all in.. shreds
    As he’s aligned himself… with the farting heads
    And the whole front bench.. has an awful stench
    Like a rotting carcase beaten.. with a monkey wrench

    And it’s really sad… that they’re all quite mad
    Pushing ideas… that are old… and bad
    And they’re all quite lazy… and completely crazy
    With a policy platform…. that’s incredibly hazy
    And everyone with him… is a political clutz
    And in your guts.. you know they’re ALL.. bloody… nuts

    Cheers 😆 😆 😆

  260. Pyne in two years has not asked one question related to his portfolio.

    If fact I cannot remember him asking any at all.

    Guess what he is shadow minister of. Mr. Garret is the one making the complaint,

  261. Where were they all this week, when two important pieces of legislation was introduced

    Bet that phone bill of Abbott’s is increasing dramatically in the next week or so.

  262. Lol, love the poem Truth Seeker. What a cast of clowns. 😀

    Reminds me of this cartoon by George Bludger which everyone should see:

    The Liberal Party of Australia: Clowns in need of a circus
    The Liberal Party of Australia: Clowns in need of a circus

  263. Cuppa, I bet the trolls don’t love it. 😆 😆 😆 but I am glad that you appreciate it.
    What a great pic sums them up nicely, thanks for the link 😆 😆 😆

    Cheers 😀

  264. Nil, fixed it for ya… Abbott does not have it. Neither do LP and N supporters. The ALP and others has to clean up the mess you people create when in govt every time.
    ” ….. long term future=ALP…….. next quarter future=LNP………. whats funny is that Abbott can’t see past the end of his nose………. yet Julia can… 😀

  265. The ALP and others has to clean up the mess you people create when in govt every time.”

    Have you heard of the Cain/Kirner Labor govt?? I was in Geelong when the Pyramid building society went under.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_state_election,_1992

    The Labor government, in power since the 1982 election, was dogged in its final term by a series of scandals and major corporate collapses which, like neighbouring South Australia, extended and deepened the early 1990s recession in those states. Unemployment reached 11.6% in Victoria in March 1992, with the manufacturing and textiles sector being particularly affected, while state debt was estimated at A$30 billion.[3] The State Bank of Victoria, the Victorian Economic Development Corporation (VEDC), Tricontinental and Pyramid Building Society failed, whilst the government-backed WorkCare insurance scheme was not in good shape. The Liberal party commenced an advertising campaign in January 1992 with the slogan “Labor: the Guilty Party”.[3]”

    Victoria went close to being bankrupt because of the ALP.

  266. Then why are there long term State ALP governments and only short term Liberal ones? Why was Kennett kicked out so early, the supposed saviour of Victoria.

    Why is every State Liberal government doing such a bad job at the moment, and that’s by every measurement they criticised the previous Labor governments on? Worse, every one of them are lying and deceiving the people, but unlike the previous Labor governments who were hounded on every word and action the decrepit and morally corrupt Liberal ones are mostly given free kicks.

    Don’t answer Neil, I already know the crap you are going to come out with, the same fictional stuff you always do. Round in circles you go.

  267. And Neil throws in a diversion of a State ALP government after being caught out lying about Gillard. Nothing new there, it’s something he’s always done and I predicted earlier he would do.

    Note how he’s derailing the topic, something he also always does.

    Still nothing, not a thing on why Abbot would be a good PM, which Neil is avoiding like the plague as he lamely attacks Labor on every front whilst conveniently ignoring the massive Liberal failings. He’s an A Grade hypocrite that’s for sure.

    And if Neil wants to go on about associations with Blewitt as a test to character, then many in the Liberal party should be thrown out.

    Ms Bishop met and talked with him and lied about it.
    Nowicki has called Blewitt his mate.
    There’s no record of Gillard having any association with Blewitt.
    Ms Bishop’s past boyfriends and actions actually call her character to question, unlike the innuendoes and unproven allegations against Gillard.
    Abbott’s past actions actually call his character to question, shit so do his current actions as he constantly lies, engages in stunts and cowardly runs away instead of facing questions.

    And I still don’t know why Abbott would make a good PM.

    If you need proof about how bad a PM Abbott would be, then you need look no further than Newman, the Mini-Me Abbott.

  268. Twitter highlighting where Abbott said he couldn’t remember something that happened 20 years ago and no one should be expected to, followed by Abbott saying Gillard must remember what happened 20 years ago.

    That’s another reason why Abbott would be a bad PM, his many contradictions and back flips.

  269. Mobius,

    Didn’t he also ask the people to give him a fresh start, that is, to forgive him his earlier mistakes. Words to that effect, he said on becoming leader. I’ve been trying to find the quote, I know I’ve read it somewhere… Yet what he asks for he doesn’t extend to Gillard, going back decades to before she even became an MP to try to pin something on her. He’s accused her of CRIMINALITY and provided exactly ZERO proof. These people are obscene in their spiteful hypocrisy. Abbott is more than a malevolent misfit, I believe there’s something not quite right in the head. As Albo said, “In your guts you know he’s nuts”.

  270. Come on, Nil, tell us about Abbott’s JUDGEMENT.

    Do you think it is good judgement to accuse the Prime Minister of CRIMINALITY without proof?

    Just because the complicit media lets him/them get away with it will never make it right.

  271. Come on, Neil, tell us about Abbott’s JUDGEMENT

    Abbott’s judgement goes AWOL Alister Drysdale

    Business Spectator, 18 October 2010

    This past two weeks in federal politics we have been treated to a classic case of a leader whose instinctive lack of judgement was on full parade.

    Tony Abbott went back to being Tony Abbott – and not the stage-managed politician we gained access to every day during the election campaign.

    His foray into the Afghanistan war was badly calculated and politically naïve at best. It was unethical at worst.

    […]

    Thus far on this issue, Tony Abbott has put his lack of nuanced judgement on full public parade. To many it has looked like cheap and dirty domestic politics – not public policy.

    (emphases mine)

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Abbotts-judgement-is-on-trial-pd20101018-ABRDN?OpenDocument&src=rot

  272. It was unethical at worst.

    And yet, the media tried to make out it was the journalist who was unethical for asking a question.

    Sorry, that is a journalists job. It might also indicate why not many are breve enough to ask any of tabot. He is a protected species it seems.

  273. Idiot Boy discovered a new word: “bastardry”. Like a kid does when they learn a new ‘swear’ word he blurts it out at short intervals, inappropriately and out of context.

    Michael Smith, The Age, 12 October 2010:

    …has ”bastardry” been shifting to the top drawer of Abbott’s arsenal of wounding words? He has used it before…when the word is aimed directly at the Prime Minister in the full sun of an Afghanistan day, in the middle of a conflict, the effect is much more volatile

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/abbott-guilty-of-inglorious-bastardry-during-afghan-trip-20101011-16g1x.html

    Good article. Goes into his Right Wing Projecting and of course hypocrisy.

  274. Iain made this remarkable claim way back up this thread. A perfect example of right wing projection

    So when it comes to the possibilities of future leadership we must go to questions of character

    Yes, lets look at tabots history, the guy who ripped so much out of public health, abused a dying man, is exposed as a sexist AND a misogynist, and makes unfounded claims of criminality against a sitting PM, to which he slunks away from like the true chicken he is when called out for it. In effect, he is revealed as a gutless bully.

    But let’s get on with our comparison of the Abbott and Gillard slush funds.

    There are, of course, differences: Gillard’s involvement was only as a lawyer who handled the legal work entailed in setting up the AWU fund. She did not control its accounts, she was not a trustee, she had no involvement, so far as anyone can show, in the disbursement of the funds and did not receive any benefit from them.

    Abbott on the other hand, was a trustee and did determine how the money in his fund was spent. So his role was more analogous to that of Bruce Wilson and Ralph Blewitt.

    http://www.theglobalmail.org/blog/in-politics-slush-happens/505/

    Let’s also not forget that this is the guy who lied about his involvement in this slush fund to Parliament. I don’t think tabot should lecture our PM about misogyny OR character. He’s on a hiding to no-where for both. Additionally, turnbull lost his job because he accused the then PM of impropriety because of a faked email. tabot has accused the sitting PM of criminality going on one false report in paper riddled with a history of making shit up. At least turnbull had the excuse that there was a forged document that it took the AFP to uncover as forged, whereas tabots claim could have been checked simply by reading the actual document the journalists story mis-represented to verify the facts. But he’s too lazy for that, what, with his history of snoozing through a Parliamentary vote that ended up saving thousands of jobs, finally admitting that he hadn’t read a report he had been using to attack the Government over in relation to the MRRT. Nothing but a lazy, gutless, bully.

    Character?! Caricature more like it.

    Because you are a character doesn’t mean that you have character.

  275. After all that Abbott has said. “This will be the dirtiest election campaign ever”.

    Well, that is one thing he is striving to make come true

    ‘Dirty’ probably doesn’t go far enough though

  276. Factless Troll
    NOVEMBER 30, 2012 @ 3:32 PM
    Ricky Boy
    I am certain that you are younger than I am having read your profile elsewhere having said that you have earned the “boy” epithet.

    Oh the factless troll is so intimidated by myself he is stalking me for highlighting the fact that

    1: Has no original thoughts and relies on Cnt V, Cnt P
    2: Presents Opinion and No Truth
    3: Posts in Cafe Whispers as a self promoting antagonist
    4: Is a liar and bullshits about his qualifications (not that we give a toss)
    5: Is incapable of debate as he self confesses “He likes a good argument”
    6: Worst of all parrot’s the lying Andrew Bolt as some type of authority on anything.
    reaffirming as I have always reiterated “the factelss troll is incapable of critical thinking”

    Boy…? I’m 51. I don’t suffer fools, especially delusional ones with not one fact to back up their opinion. Only a disrespectful fuckwit conservative would call someone “boy”. I am not a man of violence, however if you called me that in public, I would plant one right on that ignorant ugly mug of yours.

    “Boy”? What century are you in you ignorant right wing parrott. Boy is a derogatory term used by the ignorant who consider themselves better than others.
    So let me get this correct
    1: You have no job.
    2: You have no qualifications (Language in Media? Drama?…bullshit I’m afraid.)
    3: You have achieved very little in your life
    4: I would hazard that you have not seen much of the world beyond Queensland
    5: You quote Monkton and Bolt.
    6: Your not a member of a political party, hence not involved in the process
    7: You spend most of your time in a shed..

    In the next twelve months I will
    Finish my 4th degree.
    Direct a funded film I have written
    Am a principal architect in a multi million dollar Disability infrastructure initiative.

    Boy? Grow up you delusional dickhead.

  277. silkworm @ 1:13 pm

    Noticed Hall the troll is up to his usual practice again of pulling apart our comments and opinions, while Hall himself has not offered one opinion on why Abbott would be a better PM, other than to trash Prime Minister Gillard.

    Actually this is a useful technique for demolishing trolls (lefties) – taking apart their language and arguments forensically. The problem with using this technique is that the user really has to have a passion for doing this, and it is sometimes difficult to match the passion of a troll (conservative) such as Iain as his passion is amplified by his ideological delusions (understanding).

    There I fixed your comment for you Silky 🙂
    But seriously Paul is one of those sad creatures who does not fare well when what he says is given the close scrutiny of the Fisk treatment. That said he also fails to appreciate that in political debate one should try to be generous to your interlocutors and to keep it friendly and on topic. I put it down to his education even though he insists elsewhere that he is “well educated”.

  278. I have noticed that Hall is again on the education issue when he is unable to come up with legitimate argument to back up his claims of why Abbott would be a better PM.

    Hall, seeing though you are on the education bandwagon, what are your qualifications, and what gives you the right to abuse people about there education, this is an open blog and anyone can participate in the conversation, even you.

    As for this quote

    I put it down to his education even though he insists elsewhere that he is “well educated”.

    As I have said else where, my education is my business not yours. You are the one making this an issue, you are the one who bought it up, not me, and I would think that the majority of people here would agree with me on this issue, bringing up a person education when you nothing about them is degrading and offensive.

  279. Inain, could you put your passion and amplified ideological understanding on to the topic 🙄 …… ’cause mate were nearly 400 hits in and not one reason given as to why y’all think Tony would be a better PM than that wonderful lady that is leading this country so effectively at this moment…………… we are all holding our breath in anticipation. 😆

  280. Ms Bishop met and talked with him and lied about it.

    What lie was this?? She admitted to meeting with him.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-27/bishop-confirms-meeting-with-blewitt/4393720

    Ms Bishop, who has been running the Coalition’s pursuit of Ms Gillard, this morning confirmed she met Mr Blewitt for about 10 minutes in Melbourne last Friday………Asked if he seemed like a trustworthy character, Ms Bishop replied: “No, he’s a self-confessed fraudster”.

    Abbott is going to get rid of the mining tax. Another good reason to vote for Abbott. I do remember Wayne Swan saying Costello wasted the mining boom because he spent too much money. Well with an even bigger mining boom what is Swan doing with the money?? Well Swan is handing it back as tax cuts and further spending.

    Wayne Swan has not saved one cent since being elected.

  281. Last thing this country need is blatant tax cuts that benefit tie riich at the expense of the poor.
    This country needs to raise the money to put in place the infrastructure needed to guarantee a strong future.

    We can afford to. We cannot afford not to.

  282. Iain, the problem is that you do not take apart our arguments forensically.

    Sadly you do not appear to have that skill. What you do is take each point and overlay it with your opinion. Yes opinion,

    That is what is so boring. Very rarely do we get your opinion, or beliefs. Very rarely what you attempt to say, have little to do with the thread of the post.

    The question posed here, and it

    Not one line have I read, that tells me what the answer to that one is. Plenty examples of Mr. Abbott’s behavior and words posted, to indicate he would be disastrous, for himself as well as the country.

    Iain, you have not manage in thousand of words written, to demolish one of our arguments. Not on.

    Sorry to have to disillusion you.

    Now I know you believe you have succeed. We here do not agree. Suspect many that past through are also of the same belief.

  283. As Slater & Gordon has previously indicated these events occurred more than 17 years ago. None of the individuals involved remain in the employment of Slater & Gordon.

    Slater & Gordon has previously made clear it will continue to uphold the right of former and existing clients and staff to confidentiality in respect of all communications.

    Slater & Gordon is only able to make comment on the basis of records it now holds.

    In that context, the firm has received permission from the Prime Minister, Ms Gillard, a former salaried partner, to set out details of her employment history with Slater & Gordon.

    This statement is based on those records.

    Ms Gillard worked in the industrial department of Slater & Gordon in 1988 through to 1995.

    During that time Ms Gillard acted for a wide variety of trade unions and individuals in employment related matters including various branches of the AWU from 1991 until 1995.

    Upon the Slater & Gordon partnership learning of what has been described as the AWU/Bruce Wilson allegations in August 1995, it conducted an internal legal review as it would do, and has done, whenever any such allegations might be made.

    Ms Gillard co-operated fully with the internal review and denied any wrong doing.

    The review found nothing which contradicted the information provided by Ms Gillard at the time in relation to the AWU/Bruce Wilson allegations and which she has stated consistently since the allegations were first raised.

    In September 1995 Ms Gillard took a leave of absence from Slater & Gordon in order to campaign for the Senate.

    Ms Gillard’s resignation from the firm became effective on 3 May 1996 when, Slater & Gordon understands, she commenced employment with the then Victorian Opposition leader as an advisor.

    Slater & Gordon has regularly invited the Prime Minister back to the firm for events and functions.

    Like a number of other notable former lawyers a meeting room in the Melbourne office is named in recognition of her achievements.

    ^ Back to top

    http://www.slatergordon.com.au/media/news-media-releases/vic-act-sa-tas-nt/Statement-regarding-the-employment-of-Prime-Minister-Gillard#.ULnlkJbhat0.twitter

    Maybe all but the ex-partner are liars. Maybe there is a story to be had in why the ex-partner has it in for the firm. Maybe they did not recognize his talents. Who knows.

  284. In his latest tirade against the Newman government, the mining magnate has called on Mr Abbott to intervene.

    ‘It’s quite clear the LNP is acting in a most disgraceful manner which will have major repercussions at a federal level unless Tony Abbott shows some leadership,’ Mr Palmer said in a statement on Sunday.

    ‘Tony Abbott must intervene and clean up the LNP mess or (Prime Minister) Julia Gillard will be re-elected as a result of the disgraceful antics of the Newman government.’

    But Mr Abbott …..

    http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/12/02/Qld_could_cost_Abbott_election_Palmer_822282.html

    Completely agreement with Mr. Palmer. Problem is that Mr. Abbott’s agrees with the Queensland premier one hundred percent. Would follow his example if he gained power.

  285. ‘This country needs to raise the money to put in place the infrastructure needed to guarantee a strong future.’

    Chinese built very fast trains all across the country and increase immigration.

  286. This country needs to raise the money to put in place the infrastructure needed to guarantee a strong future

    The last thing this country needs is another term by Wayne Swan as Treasurer. He has been given the biggest mining boom in Australian history and the best terms of trade for a long time and is just wasting money.

    And Abbott should be PM because his judgement is better than Gillards. Abbott may not be great but he is better than Gillard and anyone else the ALP puts forward.

    And I suspect the judgement of most ALP supporters is just as bad as Gillards.

    It would not surprise me if the ALP’s mining tax has scared away investors and we will get less tax money because of the mining tax.

  287. Looks like poor old Nil has given up trying to spin about Abbott’s supposed JUDGEMENT.

    Lol, it was a ridiculous proposition from the beginning, even for a deluded RWF.

    Now he’s on to letting mining billionaires strip his grandkids of their country’s finite resource wealth.

    Charming. Next he’ll be telling us why the grandies should work for $2.00 per day and be subjected to rising carbon pollution to keep the Liberals fatcat backers happy.

  288. ‘Abbott may not be great but he is better than Gillard and anyone else the ALP puts forward.’

    That’s not quite true, Smith and Gray would be more popular than Gillard and Swanny.

  289. Hall you said this

    But seriously Paul is one of those sad creatures who does not fare well when what he says is given the close scrutiny.

    So I am a sad creature, I am a person, calling a person a sad creature is another form of racism as far as I am concerned, just like calling someone “boy”.

    And as for someone who does not like close scrutiny, I have, and most here have noticed that you have not given any valid reasons as to why Abbott would be a better PM, other than “he just would be” as this is one of the points of this post.

    Now either put up, shut up and do not post anything until you come up with points as to why Abbott would be a better PM, as I am sure most people here are getting sick of you so called opinions.

  290. “Now he’s on to letting mining billionaires strip his grandkids of their country’s finite resource wealth.

    How much tax has the mining tax collected?? How much has it cost business to implement this new tax?? And how many mining companies have gone elsewhere because of the mining tax??

    And I do not think Swan is going to spend the money he thinks he will get on anything worthwhile. I think the mining tax money (if it ever eventuates) is going on tax cuts and welfare. Meaning future govts will have to find money to fund these programs when the boom ends.

  291. Smith and Gray would be more popular than Gillard and Swanny.

    Gillard and Swan have been paid out on every hour of the day for years now by among the most one-sided partisan media of any democracy in the world. What did you expect – that they will have the popularity of movie stars?

    Now, Abbott, who’s the direct figurehead beneficiary of the biased media advantage, is among the most unpopular Opposition leaders ever. That should tell you what a hopeless case HE is.

  292. Neil, the ideology of austerity is bringing the western world economies to the brink of destruction.

    Yes, we need to go to where Swan and Gillard are taking us, that is to the future.

    The last thing we need to do, is go back to the dark ages with Abbott, who only plan is to demolish.

    We get nothing for nothing. If we do not in the hard yards needed to benefit from the future, we will get nothing.

    Yes, nothing in equals nothing out.

  293. Factless Troll
    DECEMBER 2, 2012 @ 10:48 AM
    silkworm @ 1:13 pm

    Actually this is a useful technique for demolishing trolls (lefties)

    This is a left wing Blog the only trolls in this blog are right wing, factless parrots of opinion. He demolishes no-one, rather embarrasses himself with google cut and paste of others opinion.

    That said he also fails to appreciate that in political debate one should try to be generous to your interlocutors and to keep it friendly and on topic.

    What like insulting people by calling them “Boy”..What a factless fuckwit.

    I put it down to his education even though he insists elsewhere that he is “well educated”.

    UTS, UNSW, COFA here, wonder where those “language in media”: and “drama” lies are told?

    A Troll posts in a Blog, what a dickhead…so that would be the factless troll, the poster. This is from a Troll (one who trolls a blog to antagonise, provoke and posts ideological nonsense opinion) who proclaims he likes a good argument (the opposite of debate). Debate is an exchange of ideas based upon fact, not parroted unoriginal opinion.

    Cuppa
    DECEMBER 2, 2012 @ 10:34 AM
    Don’t let them get to you, mate. If they had anything worth respect they wouldn’t be RWFs.

    No facts, so nothing but contempt here. This is the usual for someone who’s greatest accomplishment with a mythical media degree is posting lies and drivel in someone else’s blog.

    LOVO
    DECEMBER 2, 2012 @ 11:16 AM
    Inain

    Priceless mate 🙂 paint drying has more substance and is more engaging.

    Tom R
    DECEMBER 2, 2012 @ 11:33 AM
    we are all holding our breath in anticipation

    Mate breath your turning blue….

    Catching up
    DECEMBER 2, 2012 @ 11:59 AM
    Iain, the problem is that you do not take apart our arguments forensically.

    Sadly you do not appear to have that skill. What you do is take each point and overlay it with your opinion. Yes opinion,

    Forensically correct and factual as I constantly reiterate. I think he is embarrassingly thick as this fact fails to register in his defective logic of blind opposition and antagonism. He is a consistent laborious yawnfest.

    Neil of Sydney
    DECEMBER 2, 2012 @ 11:46 AM
    “Ms Bishop met and talked with him and lied about it.”

    What lie was this?? She admitted to meeting with him.

    Absolutely…”After it was leaked”….. Post Leakage…It was a “chance meeting”…”Oh I was walking down the street and my phone rang, it just happened to be Shock Jock Mike Smith (who was sacked for making unsubstantiated and liable claims) He was having coffee with Blew-it a confirmed frawster. It was on my way so I just popped in and asked him for documents for my dirt file. He had nothing, hence I have nothing.

    Seriously what an armature, Blew-it is being trailed by a conga line of Jouno’s, two of which were actually in the coffee shop at the time.Julie Bishop is pathetic.

    SLUSHY ANYONE?

    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/22/1061529330032.html

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/abbott-has-his-own-slushy-history-20121201-2anjy.html

    Inane…Yawn

  294. Neil, the ideology of austerity is bringing the western world economies to the brink of destruction.”

    Actually people are looking at austerity to solve their problems because previous govts have been spending too much. Western Europe is at the brink because of massive debts. The Greeks do not want to work but to live off govt welfare and not pay any tax.

    And the money Swan gets from the mining tax will be used to fund programs that will be unfundable when the boom ends.

  295. Neil, look again. IT IS NOT WORKING.

    Even the USA, including many Republicans have had to be brought screaming to this realization.

  296. Oh so we have to keep spending money we do not have. If people we more prudent with money we would not be in any trouble.

    It is reckless spending that has Europe in trouble.

    Thank goodness for Howard/Costello who managed to save money and still fund programs at a reasonable level.

    Do you understand that Swan has already spent the mining tax money even though it most probably will not raise the money he has already spent?? And it is being spent on welfare and tax cuts. Mining tax money should be used for infrastructure or to pay off debt not welfare and tax cuts. What happens when the boom ends??

  297. Catching Up,

    They don’t understand. Too inflexible. Their inflexibility defines them as conservatives.

    They’ve pinned their colours to an ideological mast. They’d see the economy turn to ashes before they:

    a) Admit they’ve got it wrong
    b) Change course

  298. I see reading through the troll posts that this open letter is marked return to sender. The right to be heard seems to be a deafening silence of fact.

    1: The economy is powering as displayed by economic facts

    2: The carbon tax scare campaign has fizzled as Carbon trading schemes are already operating or under development in 11 US states and across the globe http://www.climatechange.gov.au/government/international/global-action-facts-and-fiction/ets-by-country.aspx

    3: The floposition have released no policies, no vision other than a smokescreen of smear based on political opportunism flagging serial incompetence and faulty moral conviction.

    4: Despite being generously offered a chance to establish their point…Nothing.

  299. Actually from that list I found this funny

    They introduced the flawed Pacific solution, which has seen detention centres on Nauru and Manus Island remain open without any detainees.

    Only in Labor Party laa laa land could an empty detention centre be seen as a failure. No Mr John “I am a liar” Faulkner, an empty detention centre is a sign of success. What we do not want is what Labor has done. Building the detention centre revolution with centres being built all over the place and no matter how quickly they are built are soon full. Villawood burnt to the ground. Hundreds drowning at sea brought to you by the ALP and the people who vote for them. Billions of dollars of taxpayers money spent for no useful result.

    Epic fail.

  300. ‘and do not post anything until you come up with points as to why Abbott would be a better PM’

    He will be kinder to very small business.

  301. Migs, next could we have why Bishop jr would be a better , umm,….what is ‘she’ does again ….. 😀 or maybe a list of questions asked by opposition front benchers in their respective portfolio’s and ‘why’ they do a ‘better’ at the job… 😆 😆 ( so we could “take apart their language and arguments forensically.”) 😆

  302. He will be kinder to very small business.

    Like during the GFC, where the course they supported would have seen hundreds of small businesses fold?

    the libs look after big business. The don’t care about small business. Labor in fact have been their best friends. Even the Fair Work package is better for them, although they will be the last to admit it. It provides certainty for them.

    Care to show where the libs would actually help them?

  303. paulwello @ 11:11 am

    I have noticed that Hall is again on the education issue when he is unable to come up with legitimate argument to back up his claims of why Abbott would be a better PM.

    I have actually, however as you seem to think that only an argument that would change your mind is valid you do yourself no favours by insisting that I have failed to enunciate why Tony Abbott would be a better PM, I have done so many times. Deal

    Hall, seeing though you are on the education bandwagon, what are your qualifications, and what gives you the right to abuse people about there(sic) education, this is an open blog and anyone can participate in the conversation, even you.

    As I say in my blog profile I have a degree in Drama and Language in the media from the University of Queensland.
    Further to that I write everyday and having endured years of criticism about my spelling I have become acutely aware of the conventions and peculiarities of the English language which is why I think that sentences like the one you offer above shows that its author needs to work on their prose, or at the very least to take the time to proof read what they write. A good example of Paul’s problems is the phrase ” seeing though you are on the education bandwagon” which requires at least and extra preposition for it to make sense, further to that he has on several occasions made the same mistake or writing “there” when he should have written “their”

    As for this quote

    I put it down to his education even though he insists elsewhere that he is “well educated”.

    As I have said else where, my education is my business not yours. You are the one making this an issue, you are the one who bought it up, not me, and I would think that the majority of people here would agree with me on this issue, bringing up a person education when you nothing about them is degrading and offensive.

    You see Paul you are reaping the crop that you have sown and fertilised with your own lack of generosity in debate. I bring up your evident lack of education because it stands out like dogs dangles in the way that you write and saying that such things do not matter in a blog thread does not cut it as an excuse.
    LOVO @ 11:16 am

    Inain, could you put your passion and amplified ideological understanding on to the topic 🙄 …… ’cause mate were nearly 400 hits in and not one reason given as to why y’all think Tony would be a better PM than that wonderful lady that is leading this country so effectively at this moment…………… we are all holding our breath in anticipation. 😆

    Tony Abbott Is Not Julia Gillard and he has nothing to do with corrupt unions or the Australian Labor Party,and that “wonderful lady” can’t even get her own party to support her position on Israel so how you can think that she is effectively running the country?

    Catching up @ 11:59 am

    Iain, the problem is that you do not take apart our arguments forensically.

    Well that is your opinion CU I respcet you for that but of course I don’t agree

    Sadly you do not appear to have that skill. What you do is take each point and overlay it with your opinion. Yes opinion,

    Well not entirely I look at each point and point out the flaws in your argument as I see it.

    That is what is so boring. Very rarely do we get your opinion, or beliefs. Very rarely what you attempt to say, have little to do with the thread of the post.

    Hang on CU you can’t say, as you do in the line above “What you do is take each point and overlay it with your opinion.” and then claim “Very rarely do we get your opinion, or beliefs” without me being able to suggets taht you are exhibiting classic Doublethink worthy of Orwell’s 1984.

    The question posed here, and it

    Not one line have I read, that tells me what the answer to that one is. Plenty examples of Mr. Abbott’s behaviour and words posted, to indicate he would be disastrous, for himself as well as the country.

    Iain, you have not manage in thousand of words written, to demolish one of our arguments. Not one.

    Sorry to have to disillusion you.

    Now I know you believe you have succeeded. We here do not agree. Suspect many that past through are also of the same belief.

    Look we both know that neither of us will be able to offer an argument to convince the other that our position is the correct one and nothing is more impossible to prove that someone will excel at something at an unspecified time in the future. Its a proposition that can not be proven except for waiting and seeing. Can you understand that?

    paulwello @ 1:06 pm

    Hall you said this

    But seriously Paul is one of those sad creatures who does not fare well when what he says is given the close scrutiny.

    So I am a sad creature, I am a person, calling a person a sad creature is another form of racism as far as I am concerned, just like calling someone “boy”.

    The “racism card”? You have to be joking! Besides the fact that I have no idea what you ethnicity may be (and I don’t want to know) I am saying that as human being you you are a very poor example of the species which is an opinion based upon your behaviour not your, unknown to me, ethnicity.

    And as for someone who does not like close scrutiny, I have, and most here have noticed that you have not given any valid reasons as to why Abbott would be a better PM, other than “he just would be” as this is one of the points of this post.

    What defines a “valid reason” Please paul because you shifty the goalposts everytime you get an answer to this challenge.

    Now either put up, shut up and do not post anything until you come up with points as to why Abbott would be a better PM, as I am sure most people here are getting sick of you so called opinions.

    This is not your blog Paul and you don’t get to tell me how I will respond to its threads

    Ricky boy @ 1:24 pm

    Actually this is a useful technique for demolishing trolls (lefties)

    This is a left wing Blog the only trolls in this blog are right wing, factless parrots of opinion. He demolishes no-one, rather embarrasses himself with google cut and paste of others opinion.

    Ricky, Ricky, Ricky without the conservative voices that Migs welcomes here the threads would not be anywhere near as lively as they so often are. The fact that you have difficulty coping with any sort of contrary opinion does you no favours either. So are you man enough to be civil to me? Or are you going to continue to act like a spoilt brat?

    That said he also fails to appreciate that in political debate one should try to be generous to your interlocutors and to keep it friendly and on topic.

    What like insulting people by calling them “Boy”..What a factless fuckwit.

    Will you accept a “quid pro quo” and an undertaking that I will not address you with any derisive epithets if you agree to do the same in return? Because it is you that started the name calling in a fit of pique when you disliked my critique of your prose.

  304. Iain said …”Tony Abbott Is Not Julia Gillard” …….so thats it folks… there ya have it…. Tones would be better ’cause he ain’ts Julia…..400+ comments and we end up with ‘ because he just are…’ …….. now what is it Ricky calls you again 😆 😆

  305. LOVO,

    They’ve got no evidence to show why Abbott should be supported. Nothing but spin, oft-refuted catch-cries, malice, hypocrisy, RW projection and preposterous assertions.

    Miglo gave them a platform to present reliable evidence for Abbott …and they came up with nothing. Time wasters and oxygen thieves.

    They didn’t put up, next step as Migs said, Shut up. 😀

  306. ‘Like during the GFC, where the course they supported would have seen hundreds of small businesses fold?’

    Pubs and clubs did well.

  307. Eg try the BER which were projects which had to be shovel ready and therefore far more likely to employ local people and purchase locally rather than attempting to import cheap labour from os as per Gina.

  308. ‘Care to show where the libs would actually help them?’

    Tabit said he will abolish the tax on carbon dioxide and as I mentioned earlier Tom our winter power bills were three times higher after the tax.

    A coincidence? I think not.

    And because we are already in recession there is no way we can pass it on to the consumers… competition is too fierce.

  309. Neil, we are a rich country, Never been so rich. Are you trying to convince us we cannot afford to pay more.

    We have had years of taxes being reduced. A process that helped to transfer wealth from the lowest highest income level and form workers to bosses.

    This has occurred across the western world.

    Neil, it could just be possible that the deficits have cone about, not because of increased spending but of reduce receipts from lowering taxes.

    If one really believe there should be a surplus, one can have it today, simply by raising taxes.

    One can continue to go down the path that the PM and the treasurer are doing, pulling back upper earners rebates and tax breaks , while looking after the vulnerable and putting in place the necessary infrastructure for the future.

    Yes, it is all about the future, one that has never been sop promising to us. We are in the right place, at the right time, with the what the worlds needs and wants. It can also be thrown away by doing nothing. It will not just fall into our laps.

    It is not as simple as cutting spending. That is a dangerous path to go down.

    We are lucky that the government that has managed to cut, without sending the economy into free fall. Lucky to be able to lower interest rates to off set the danger on unemployment. Yes, we will get that unnecessary surplus with little pain.

    The world economy is indeed weak. Are you willing to have a demolisher at the steering wheel.

  310. Min,

    Asking for evidence to make a case for Abbott reminds me of the story of Jason and the Golden Fleece. The challenger is set with an impossible task. If they can pull it off, they get to continue in the game. These RWers are no Jasons. 😀

  311. Clubs and pubs employ many. Are legal entities last time time I looked. One still has the right to spend money where the wish. I assume the home bills were met.

    This money was extra.

    So if one is poor, they have no right to entertainment.

  312. How a so called tax, that led to less than a 10% rise in your electricity bill leads to a bill tree times the size, just does not add up.

    If this is your understanding of the cost of running a business, I wonder how you succeed, Have you not a roof top, to put some panels on. Might help. Even believe there might be some tax debater available.

    Have you even bothered to look. Suspect not

    Look to O’ Farrell to blame for your power cost rises. He is the culprit.

  313. Tabit said he will abolish the tax on carbon dioxide

    Two things

    First, he won’t. In fact, the media are already preparing the groundwork for his excuse that, by hte time he is in, it will be in the phase where the price is floating, and therefore, not a ‘Carbon Tax’ (yea, it takes some balls, but that’s what they are trying.

    Secondly, it has had no impact on small business bills. Any attempt to try and show this by the libs has backfired spectacularly.

    Come on, give us an example of where the libs have specifically helped, or offered to help, small business

  314. “Look to O’ Farrell to blame for your power cost rises. He is the culprit”

    What a lie that statement is. Electricity prices were rising long before O’Farrell got into power. One reason for the price rises are green energy schemes like the solar rebate. After winning power O,Farrel was shocked at the rebate people were getting to install solar power. This rebate is paid for by electricity price rises.

    CU your judgement is as bad as Gillards. And you are as honest as Gillard.

  315. Yes, Neil, I consider myself very honest. Sometimes to honest for my own good. Yes, I believe the PM is one of the most honest PMs we have seen in a long time.

    History is going to show this to be true. History also dealt well with Mr. Whltlam, who was also attacked in a similar manner. One cannot remember all the dirt he was accused of, only the legacies he left behind. Similar thing has happened to Keating.

    What I am which many who visit us lack is that I am very honesty to oneself.

  316. 56% said it would make no difference to their vote. Was pointed out that include Opposition voters.

    Wonder what the result would be, if one replace Gillard with Abbot?

  317. Senator Milne said this morning, that she believe man made climate change will be big at the next election. I believe she might be right, with all the reports coming in. with what appears to be proof of the changes already occurring.

    The Senator said that pressure will be put on Mr. Abbott to show us how his direct action will get to 5%.

    Cannot help but believe the questions arising on asylums seekers will also be in the forefront.

    Education and NDIS will be on the agenda for many.

    Yes, Mr. Abbott will not be in control of the election agenda. The next election will be nothing like the last. There will be a very solid agenda put forwarded by Labor. One that they will be in an position top explain clearly. It will be embedded in the May budget.

    There will be no early election. Can we stand a twelve month election campaign by Abbott.

  318. CU

    “There will be no early election. Can we stand a twelve month election campaign by Abbott.”

    Just hang onto your hat it will be an interesting ride at least!

    Climate change is not the scare show it once was and apart from mad zealots like Milne most people are just not buying the ‘end is nigh” stuff any-more, mainly because of the extravagant hyperbole sprouted my the Green nutters like Flannery.

    As laudable as the NDIS and education reforms may appear to be they are both entirely unfunded so what on first glance may appear to be a Plus for Gillard will instead be a weakness when she can’t explain how they will be paid for.

    The thing is for every thing that may be positive for Labor there are a greater number of things that will hurt them.

  319. I will rely on my record on predictions up to now. Have been more successful than those of our visitors.

    It is two years down the track. The PM is still in the Lodge. Parliament has not missed a step. Still functioning as it should.

    Yes, it is going to be a wild ride next year, an holding on to ones hat is good advice,

    Yes, there will be balanced budget. Yes the funding for the ongoing of NDIS and Gonski will be there. There will be an election around this time next year. I say this, because this is what the PM says.

    We can see that the Opposition knows this, hence their acts of desperation over the last couple of weeks. So desperate, they are willing to try anything, even if it backfires on them.

  320. Link?

    dumbass, how do I link to what isn’t happening 😯

    You are making the claims, you come up with an example.

  321. CU

    Yes, there will be balanced budget. Yes the funding for the ongoing of NDIS and Gonski will be there. There will be an election around this time next year. I say this, because this is what the PM says.

    You can say that but I reckon that you won’t hear such a claim from Gillard and Swan but if we do hear such a thing then check the small print because you can bet Sydney to a stone that there will be some sort of excuse primed and ready to explain why they failed to get there

    We can see that the Opposition knows this, hence their acts of desperation over the last couple of weeks. So desperate, they are willing to try anything, even if it backfires on them.

    I’m happy to concede that the opposition has not been able to land a killing blow on Labor but they have kept them on the back foot and made them defend themselves rather than Labor having any kind of control of the discourse. That in itself is a political victory for the coalition.

  322. Nah, I won’t play this silly game as trying to convince a leftist that this government is absolutely awful is like trying to convince a Catholic that there is no God.

    In other words, scaper, you cannot find any evidence.

  323. As for all the comments that the right wing trolls have put on here, I have yet to see any of the say, “Why Tony Abbott would be a better PM”.

    Is it because there is no information out there to say that he would be a good PM.

    Paul, they were offered the opportunity to put forward Abbott’s case. They have failed.

  324. No real original discussion from the rightards…

    MarkH, it was too optimistic of me to think that they might have been able to produce any.

  325. That is my point, over 450 comments and not one post as to why Abbott would be a better PM, Instead they try and pull apart the comments that are put on here, a big fail as far as I am concerned, and when you criticize them, out come the jibes about education, peoples writing skills and just about anything they can think off, as I have said before PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

  326. 2353 wrote earlier:

    So 230+ comments later and we still don’t have an answer to the original question? What a surprise.

    And now, 450+ comments later and we still don’t have an answer to the original question? What a surprise.

  327. Abbott would be a better PM because his judgement is better.

    Of all people, at least Neil has managed to come up with something in support of Abbott, as ludicrous as it is.

  328. Miglo, I do not believe they are that interested in Abbott at all. they are just interested in telling us we are wrong. Somehow it gives them pleasure. Funny people, I must say.

  329. “Yes, Neil, I consider myself very honest.”

    Well i do not.

    You said this “Look to O’ Farrell to blame for your power cost rises. He is the culprit.”

    This is not correct. Electricity prices have been increasing for years. One reason is because of green energy schemes. Green energy is very expensive. Much more expensive than coal. Solar rebates is one reason why electricity bills have been increasing.

    You are as dishonest as Gillard. Nothing can beat coal for cheap energy. Any Green scheme will cause electricity prices to rise. And they will continue to rise unless there is some major breakthrough in green energy technology.

  330. CU

    If you want to be honest you need to say something like this.

    Due to burning fossil fuels we are going to destroy the planet and ourselves because of CO2 release. We therefore need to pay much higher prices for electricity by trying green energy. It will cost more but we need to do this to save the planet.

    Please do not blame O’Farrell for price rises due to schemes introduced by the previous ALP government.

    Try to be honest for once.

  331. Abbott will dismantle the carbon tax when he secures both the upper and lower houses next year….the Clean Energy Future will be fazed out. Wind farms and solar ventures cannot survive without government support.

    The savings will be used to build a big Australia.

  332. Wind farms and solar ventures cannot survive without government support.

    You know you are supposed to be finding examples of where the coalition is going to help small business grodo, not hurt them 😉

  333. Solar rebates is one reason why electricity bills have been increasing.

    Actually, that is quite a furphy. The electricity companies pay very little for the electricity generated by the solar panels. The main lump of that cost comes from the Government. In fact, the electric companies are getting the electricity quite cheaply.

    Their main problem is that they are not geared up to use it to best effect.

  334. Neil, except that is not were the massive rise come from, I would be lying if I said that.

    Neil, it is alright if you call me a liar.. I know that is how you cope with those who do not agree. You always call them liars.

    Saying that, I must say, you have it all arse up,

    By the way, we need to make the price of fossil fuel higher, so it can be replaced with renewals. In the long run, this method of producing power will prove cheaper,

    The change over is expensive, but maintenance is cheaper, and in the long run, pay for itself.

    Meanwhile the money raised from the price on carbon emissions will be used, to assist in the change over.

    No it is not just a simple matter of making power expensive so we used less. It is about replacing fuel which produce the carbon emissions,

    It is not about cutting the use of electricity, it is about replacing it with renewals, that will not destroy the planet. Therefore I must be a liar.

  335. Building wind farms are big business.

    More importantly for the debate ….UN admits at Qatar climate talks that there has been NO global warming for the last 16 years!

  336. Hall, you said this

    The “racism card”? You have to be joking! Besides the fact that I have no idea what you ethnicity may be (and I don’t want to know) I am saying that as human being you you are a very poor example of the species which is an opinion based upon your behaviour not your, unknown to me, ethnicity.

    That is what the problem is, you do not no what my nationality is, so calling someone a sad creature is quite offensive, then stating I am a very poor example of the species, maybe you should actually look in the mirror one day Hall, then you will see an example of it yourself.

    By the way Hall you might want to check your grammar, there are comma’s missing, full stops, repeating of words, and you say I’m uneducated.

    Or is it because you are becoming frustrated on not being able to find any reasons as to why Abbott would be a better PM, which by the way, I have looked at your post’s and not one of them states the reason why.

  337. Paul if one wants a example of using the racist card. Listen to Bolt today . He did his best, and is was shocking.

  338. We need to get back to the question, why will Mr. Abbott be better.

    Climate change issues should be discussed on the that site designated to it.

    The question I ask, why will Mr Abbott’s Direct Action be better, Can it deliver the 5% cut.

  339. Why will Ms, Bishop be a better foreign minister.

    Why will Mr, Pyne be a better education minister.

    Why will Mr. Dutton be a better health minister.

    Why will Ms. Mirabella be a better trade minister. ( I believe that is what she is shadow minister of.)

    Nor I have no idea of what these people are about. They have asked few or in some cases, no questions in two years.

    Maybe you , who believe this team is better, can fill us it. Give us some hope.

  340. If one wants to know how low things have got, I would listen to today. Abbott was on, along with Costello and Costa.

  341. Another policy, why would Abbott’s Paid Parental Leave policy be better then the one in place now??

  342. Neil, it is alright if you call me a liar.. I know that is how you cope with those who do not agree. You always call them liars.”

    Nope. I am calling you a liar because you are telling lies. You said this

    Look to O’ Farrell to blame for your power cost rises. He is the culprit.”

    Shame on you for saying that. O’Farrell was elected in March 2011. So all electricity rises are due to him??

    Green energy is very expensive and is much more expensive than coal . At the moment any change from coal will mean a rise in electricity cost. Cheap and abundant coal is one advantage we have over the rest of the world. The Greens want to destroy our advantage.

  343. That is the other problem with right wing bloggers, there is the liberal web site with there policies, but not one of them have taken the liberty to discuss them here, are they afraid of there own policies and do not want to discuss them.

  344. Neil, I am not saying that the NSW premier is to blame for all the rises. What I am saying, the PM is not.

    The solutions to turning the prices about lie with the states. The PM is offering them assistance.

    I believe, as usual, we are going to see the Coalition premiers playing politics with it, as is usual.

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  345. Wonder were there is a policy for the second Sydney airport. The only city in the world of this size, that has one airport,

    Why is Mr. Abbott’s promises of new roads, everywhere he goes, is better than Labor’s well planned alternatives.

    Do we really need government rebates for nannies?

  346. Where is there transport policy, the one I just found is dated 2010. where are they, no here talking about there policies except people here from the cafe.

    The right should be here challenging us on there failure of their policies, or lack there of.

  347. ‘And hosting them is a very lucrative small business.’

    You’ll have to do better than that sonny jim.

  348. Come on, Nil, talk to us about Abbott’s JUDGEMENT.

    Is Abbott addicted to exercise? Does he require this to prevent falling apart mentally? Has Abbott got a screw loose?

    Abbott:

    “My wife keeps telling me I’m absolutely neurotic about exercising,” he said.

    “For me regular exercise is an important part of my mental health routine … If I didn’t get regular exercise I’m sure I’d drink more, I might be popping pills, I might be going slightly round the twist.”

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/julia-gillard-attacks-upset-tony-abbott/story-e6frf7l6-1225964246064

  349. For me regular exercise is an important part of my mental health routine …

    Do you mean he would be even more of a nutcase if he didn’t exercise? 😯

  350. Do not remember this PM building any plants.

    I as sure we will appreciate them in the future.

    No more wasteful than building another dam to meet the need.

    It was needed then. Will be needed again.

    As the populations are growing, I am sure, they will appreciate the extra water available.

    It is called being able to see ahead and plan for future needs. One who lives in the past, would find this hard.

    What plans has Mr.Abbott got for future infrastructure.

  351. We no longer see the speedos, the bike, coming out of the surf or competing in races with kids.

    All of those poses have disappeared.

    Could it have something to do with that rapidly growing bald patch.

    Maybe, just maybe, he has decided, as he is maturing, it is conduct unbecoming to be seen in such attire.

    The swagger has been replaced with the gait of a man that has the cares of the world upon his shoulders. The weigh so heavy that he is now a bowed man.

    Confidence no longer oozes from this man, he is quickly becoming battle weary.

    Such is life.

    Meanwhile, his worthy opponent has grown in stature, goes merrily on her way.

    This was not the way he says, it was meant to be. I missed out last year on moving into the lodge.

    How dare she defy me this year, by not lying down and dying.

    She has what is mine, it is not fair.

    She even dares to call me names.

    It is just not fair, that her and brigade of women dare challenge me.

    It is just not fair, the media even think they have the right to question me, how dare they.

    No no no no, it is not fair.

  352. You’ll have to do better than that sonny jim.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    You forget, you are supposed to be supplying examples of the libs helping small business, not the other way round.

    Or have you changed sides…..again?

  353. You minions of the left are forever complaining about a lack of policy or evidence about just what a Liberal government would do well find below the text of a speech given by Tony Abbott from his new book “a Stronger Australia” what would be better than his actual words to make our case that his would be a better government than than the current one?

    Four decades after Donald Horne ironically tagged Australia as
    “the Lucky Country”, the Gillard government is relying on good
    luck rather than on good management to secure our nation’s future.
    The government often cites the fragile international economic
    situation but fails to propose any new policies to respond to it. It
    claims ownership of the fundamental strength of the Australian
    economy even though its own actions have weakened it. And it
    boasts of a future return to surplus while actually delivering the four
    biggest budget deficits in Australian history.
    Labor’s economic strategy is to hope that China’s strength will keep
    our economy growing. It is lazy, complacent economic management
    from a government which is much better at deception and dirty
    tricks than at the hard work of actually running the country. The
    Eurozone crisis is a terrible verdict on governments that spend too
    much, borrow too much and tax too much, yet our prime minister
    is lecturing the Europeans while copying their failures. In just four
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    years, Labor has turned a $20 billion surplus into $167 billion in
    accumulated deficits and $70 billion in net Commonwealth assets
    into $133 billion of net debt. That is $6,000 for every Australian
    man, woman and child.
    At the heart of Labor’s failure is the assumption that bigger
    government and higher taxes are the answer to every problem.
    Emissions are rising; so let’s tax the necessities of life. There
    is a two-speed economy; so introduce a mining tax. Some teens
    drink too much; let’s have an alcopops tax. People do not save
    enough; so increase the superannuation tax. Gambling is a problem;
    so let’s force every club to redesign every poker machine. The
    government has completely failed to appreciate the iron law of
    economics that no country has ever taxed its way to prosperity.
    The only way to take
    the pressure off family
    budgets, to increase job
    opportunities, and to
    have the better services
    and infrastructure
    that every Australian
    wants is to build
    a stronger economy.
    The only foundation for a
    successful country is a strong
    economy. The only way to take
    the pressure off family budgets,
    to increase job opportunities,
    and to have the better services
    and infrastructure that every
    Australian wants is to build a
    stronger economy. That is why
    my plan for a stronger economy
    is to scrap unnecessary taxes,
    cut government spending and
    reduce the red tape burden on business.
    My plan to reduce the cost of living pressures on families is to take
    the carbon tax off their power and transport and make government
    live within its means. That way, there can be lower taxes and less
    upward pressure on interest rates.
    I know how to build a stronger economy because I was a senior
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    member of a government that did so. As employment minister,
    I brought unemployment down through the Job Network and Work
    for the Dole. As workplace minister, I boosted construction industry
    productivity by $5 billion a year through the establishment of the
    Cole Royal Commission which subjected industrial bullies to the
    rule of law. I know how to deliver the social dividend that a strong
    economy should provide because I’ve done that too. As health
    minister, I introduced the Medicare safety net for people with big
    out-of-pocket expenses and expanded Medicare beyond doctors –
    a historic change.
    My vision for Australia
    is to restore hope, reward
    and opportunity by
    delivering lower taxes,
    better services, more
    opportunities for work
    and stronger borders.
    Australians can be confident
    that the Liberal and National
    parties will provide good
    economic management in the
    future because that is what
    we’ve always done in the past.
    We’ve done it before and we
    will do it again. After all, 16
    members of the current
    shadow cabinet were ministers
    in the Howard government, which now looks like a lost golden age
    of reform and prosperity. Australia was a stronger society because
    we had a stronger economy. Between 1996 and 2007, real wages
    increased more than 20 per cent, real household wealth per person
    more than doubled, and there were more than two million new
    jobs. Since then, real household wealth has declined, productivity
    has stagnated and 2011 was the first year since 1992 without a net
    increase in jobs.
    It does not have to be this way. We could be so much better than
    this. What Australia most needs now is a competent, trustworthy,
    adult government with achievable plans for a better economy and
    a stronger society.
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    My vision for Australia is to restore hope, reward and opportunity
    by delivering lower taxes, better services, more opportunities for
    work and stronger borders. The government I lead will do fewer
    things but do them better so that the Australian people, individually
    and in community, will be best placed to realise the visions that each
    of us has for a better life.
    In 2004, the then leader of the Labor Party often spoke of the ladder
    of opportunity. It was a nice metaphor, albeit one recycled from
    conservative leaders such as Winston Churchill. Government can build
    ladders, but it takes motivated people actually to climb them. The
    current leaders of the Labor Party have failed to understand what
    Abraham Lincoln knew in the marrow of his bones that government
    should do for people what they cannot do for themselves and no more.
    Unlike Labor, the Coalition has achievable plans for a stronger
    economy, for stronger communities, for a cleaner environment, for
    stronger borders, and for future infrastructure. In each of these areas
    our plans will deliver change for the better. We understand that
    Australia has to live within its means, in much the same way that
    families and businesses do. We also know that countries have to get
    better at what they do, as businesses do. Finally, we appreciate that
    all the stakeholders in Australia Inc. eventually need to see a dividend
    as the reward for their hard work.
    A PLAN FOR
    A STRONGER ECONOMY
    At the heart of our plan for a stronger economy is getting government
    spending down and productivity up so that borrowing reduces, the
    pressure on interest rates comes off and taxes can responsibly come down.
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    The first act of
    an incoming Coalition
    government will be to
    prepare the carbon tax
    repeal legislation to take
    the pressure off the power
    prices and transport prices
    that feed through to every
    price in our economy.
    The first act of an incoming
    Coalition government will be
    to prepare the carbon tax
    repeal legislation to take the
    pressure off the power prices
    and transport prices that
    feed through to every price
    in our economy. Australians
    can have tax cuts without a
    carbon tax but only if we get
    government spending down
    by eliminating wasteful and
    unnecessary programmes and permanently reducing the size of
    government.
    No good government would ever spend more than a billion dollars
    putting pink batts into roofs and a billion dollars to take them out
    again. It wouldn’t spend $16 billion on over-priced school halls while
    the standards of academic achievement actually fell. A good
    government wouldn’t spend $2 billion buying Victorian brown coal
    power stations only to close them down; or $11 billion buying
    Telstra’s copper wires only to shut them down too; or $50 billion
    plus on a National Broadband Network that people do not need and
    do not want to pay more for.
    The last Coalition government turned an inherited $10 billion budget
    black hole into consistent surpluses averaging nearly one per cent
    of GDP. At the last election, the Coalition identified $50 billion in
    responsible savings – starting with a reduction of 12,000 in the size
    of the Commonwealth government payroll. Finding savings is a big
    task but we are up for it and will release all our costings in good
    time for the next election. The starting point will be programmes
    that have become bywords for waste.
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    Discontinuing the computers in schools programme, which parents
    are now having to pay for anyway, could save over half a billion
    dollars. Not proceeding with the extra bureaucracies associated with
    hospital changes that no one will notice could save over half a billion
    dollars. Not proceeding with the so-called GP super clinics, which
    are delivering new buildings not more doctors, could save about
    $200 million. Big savings could be made in the government’s $350
    a throw set-top box programme since Gerry Harvey can supply
    and install them for half the price. Vastly reducing the number
    of consultancies (which have cost over $2 billion over the past four
    years) would produce significant savings. Not proceeding with the
    carbon tax would deliver $31 billion in savings over the forward
    estimates period with a net improvement of $4 billion in the budget
    bottom line. Not proceeding with the mining tax would deliver
    $14 billion in savings over the forward estimates period with a net
    improvement of $6 billion in the budget bottom line.
    After a quarter century of reform that made Australia one of the
    world’s miracle economies, the tragedy of the past four years is the
    damage that has been done to our fiscal position with almost nothing
    lasting to show for it; and the changes that have been wrought that
    are almost designed to make our economy less competitive.
    Make no mistake: the Coalition supports a high wage economy. My
    best moments as employment minister were the figures showing
    ever-higher real wages and record job increases. It was possible to
    have more jobs and higher pay then because there were productivity
    increases to sustain them.
    There are many problems with the government’s so-called Fair Work
    Act: there is a flexibility problem, a militancy problem, but above
    all else a productivity problem which is hardly surprising when
    workplace negotiations are always meant to involve outside union
    bosses rather than the employees of a business. A serious review
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    of the Act would have been given to the Productivity Commission
    rather than to departmental officials even under the auspices
    of a distinguished committee.
    Higher productivity
    begins with more
    adaptable and creative
    workplaces, not with new
    government programmes.
    Higher productivity begins
    with more adaptable and
    creative workplaces, not with
    new government programmes.
    The Coalition will save
    business $1 billion a year in
    red tape expenses by requiring
    each department and agency to quantify the costs of its regulations
    and to set targets to reduce them. We will give people the chance
    to show what they can do – not what they cannot – by offering
    employers incentives to take on young people and seniors who might
    otherwise become trapped in the welfare system.
    There will be tough love too. Why should fit young people be able
    to take the dole when unskilled work is readily available? Why should
    middle aged people with bad backs or a bout of mental illness be
    semi-permanently parked on the disability pension because it is easier
    than helping them to experience once more the fulfilment of work?
    A PLAN FOR
    STRONGER COMMUNITIES
    At the heart of the Liberal National Coalition’s plan for stronger
    communities is the delivery of better health and education services.
    Almost nothing is more important for families than good schools,
    good clinics and hospitals. As technology improves and the
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    20
    population ages, more spending will be needed but, right now, what’s
    needed is more intelligent spending as much as greater spending.
    We are going to work with the states to make public hospitals and
    public schools more accountable to their communities with local
    boards and councils choosing leaders, employing staff and controlling
    budgets. We are going to work with community organisations and
    with the private sector to ensure that government funded services
    are delivered in the most effective way, much as the former
    government did with the Job Network. And we are going to deliver
    a fair-dinkum paid parental leave scheme, not the government’s
    re-badged baby bonus.
    I want to change Australia for the better. That means change that
    reflects our best work and family values and our deepest instincts.
    That is why paid parental leave is best understood as a conservative
    reform that makes it more achievable for women to combine larger
    families with better careers, if that is their choice.
    An immigration
    programme pitched
    to our economic needs
    and humanitarian
    obligations has not only
    been good for Australia,
    it has helped
    to create Australia.
    Just as every child is a parent’s
    implicit vote of confidence in
    our country and its future,
    likewise, every migrant who
    comes here is a tribute to
    the gravitational pull of the
    Australian way of life. One
    of John Howard’s great
    achievements in stopping the
    boats was to rebuild public
    support for a large, nondiscriminatory
    immigration programme. An immigration
    programme pitched to our economic needs and humanitarian
    obligations has not only been good for Australia, it has helped to
    create Australia.
    THE COALITION’ S PLAN FOR A STRONGER AUSTRALIA
    21
    Every migrant has chosen Australia in a way that no Australian-born
    person has ever had to. No migrant takes Australia for granted
    in the way that some who were born here do. The vast majority of
    them choose Australia not because they want to change us but
    because they want to join us. Nothing makes me prouder to be an
    Australian than the eagerness of people from all over the world
    to swap their life for ours. There should never be first and secondclass
    Australians based on where they were born, how they worship,
    or the length of time their forebears have been here.
    I was part of a government that sent in the army to improve
    infrastructure in remote Aboriginal communities, launched an
    intervention to get “the booze out and the police in” to Northern
    Territory townships, supported the work of Noel Pearson to end
    the poison of sit-down money, and put to a referendum the first
    proposal to recognise indigenous people in the constitution.
    Should I become prime
    minister, I will spend at
    least a week every year
    in a remote indigenous
    community because if
    these places are good
    enough for Australians
    to live in they should be
    good enough for a prime
    minister and senior
    officials to stay in.
    I want to end forever any
    lingering suspicion that the
    Coalition has a good head but
    a cold heart for dealing with
    Aboriginal people. Because
    there is no substitute for seeing
    things on the ground, I have
    been a volunteer teacher’s
    aide, assisted truancy patrols
    and helped with a home
    building project in Cape York.
    Should I become prime
    minister, I will spend at least
    a week every year in a remote
    indigenous community because if these places are good enough for
    Australians to live in they should be good enough for a prime minister
    THE COALITION’ S PLAN FOR A STRONGER AUSTRALIA
    22
    and senior officials to stay in. That way, everyone should understand
    that the next Coalition government’s commitment to a fair go for
    Aboriginal people is more than just words.
    After all, the measure of a decent society is how it looks after its most
    vulnerable members. Once the budget is strongly back in surplus,
    our aim is to provide the additional services that Australians yearn
    for but know cannot be built on debt. To be sustainable they have
    to be the social dividend of a strong economy. The Coalition strongly
    supports the Productivity Commission’s recommendation for a
    disability insurance scheme but, with an estimated price tag of
    $6 billion a year (roughly equal to the Commonwealth’s current
    interest bill), this important and necessary reform cannot fully be
    implemented until the budget returns to strong surplus. It is one of
    the reasons why it is so important to return to surplus quickly.
    A disability insurance scheme is not the only important social
    initiative that would become deliverable once the budget is back in
    the black. One of my final acts as health minister was to establish
    the Medicare dental scheme to give people on chronic disease care
    plans access to up to $4,000 worth of dental treatment every two
    years: not check-ups but treatment. I always envisaged that this
    would be the precursor to putting dental services more generally on
    Medicare. The advantage of Medicare funding is that it supports
    treatment by private health professionals who do not have to
    bulk-bill so there are still price signals to discourage excessive use.
    One in three Australians
    say that they have avoided
    dentistry because they
    cannot get Medicarefunded
    dentistry.
    The Medicare system respects
    the crucial difference between
    helping to fund services that
    are privately provided and
    government directly delivering
    them. The big problem with
    Medicare, as it stands, is that
    THE COALITION’ S PLAN FOR A STRONGER AUSTRALIA
    23
    it supports treatment for every part of the body except the mouth.
    People sometimes spend years on Medicare-funded antibiotics
    because they cannot get Medicare-funded dentistry. One in three
    Australians say that they have avoided dental treatment because they
    cannot afford it. I stress that Medicare funded dentistry is an
    aspiration not a commitment. Like disability insurance, this would
    be an expensive reform at over $4 billion a year. It is the kind of
    initiative that cannot responsibly be implemented until the budget
    returns to strong surplus but it is the kind of social dividend that
    should motivate the economic changes that Australia needs.
    A PLAN FOR
    A CLEANER ENVIRONMENT
    The Liberal National Coalition’s commitment to the environment
    means more trees, better soils and smarter technology.
    We only have one planet and it is vital to leave it to our children and
    grandchildren in better shape than we found it. I support reducing
    emissions because we should tread lightly on the planet, but it
    has to be part of the right plan for a cleaner environment, not the
    wrong one.
    No one should be fooled by Labor’s carbon tax which is socialism
    masquerading as environmentalism and will not actually start to
    reduce domestic emissions until the carbon tax is well over $100
    a tonne. The best way to reduce emissions is to invest intelligently
    in the changes that cost-conscious enterprises are already making
    to become more energy efficient. That is what our $10 billion
    emissions reduction fund is for: reducing domestic emissions by
    5 per cent by 2020 by reinforcing what businesses are already doing.
    THE COALITION’ S PLAN FOR A STRONGER AUSTRALIA
    24
    The government’s
    carbon tax fixation has
    meant that every other
    environmental challenge
    has been neglected.
    The government’s carbon
    tax fixation has meant that
    every other environmental
    challenge, like water quality,
    soil conservation and invasive
    species has been neglected.
    That is why the Green Army
    providing a reliable, substantial workforce to support the land care
    efforts of local councils, farmers and volunteers should turn out
    to be one of the next Coalition government’s signature policies.
    A PLAN FOR
    MORE SECURE BORDERS
    For a decade, the Coalition has been entirely consistent on
    border security.
    Our plan for strong borders starts with temporary protection visas
    to deny the people smugglers a product to sell, rigorous offshore
    processing for illegal arrivals so that bad behaviour has consequences,
    and turning boats around where it is safe to do so because sovereign
    countries do not allow themselves to be played for mugs.
    We will stand up for
    Australia’s values as well
    as for our interests but
    will avoid big talk without
    actions to match.
    The Coalition will ensure that
    Australia continues to play a
    role in global security working
    with our principal allies in the
    fight against terrorism.
    We will not lightly put our
    soldiers in harm’s way but
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    25
    withdrawal from Afghanistan should happen when our objectives
    have been secured not when a fixed date has been reached.
    We will stand up for Australia’s values as well as for our interests
    but will avoid big talk without actions to match.
    We will concentrate on the areas that are most important to
    Australia and where Australia can make the most difference, so our
    foreign policy will have a Jakarta focus rather than a Geneva one.
    A PLAN FOR THE
    INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE FUTURE
    The Coalition’s plan for a more prosperous future will try to ensure
    that our children and grandchildren look back appreciatively on the
    big decisions this generation has made. We have a responsibility to
    ensure that our land is as productive as possible. That is why we are
    looking at new dam sites especially in northern Australia, which
    could become a food bowl to Asia. We have a responsibility to keep
    a diverse five pillar economy: with a capable manufacturing sector,
    a growing knowledge economy and a sophisticated services sector,
    as well as strong resources and agricultural industries.
    This doesn’t mean “picking winners” or second guessing the private
    sector but it does mean low taxes, competitive interest rates,
    user-friendly government and first world infrastructure so that
    creative businesses can flourish. A rolling 15-year plan for major
    infrastructure priorities based on rigorous, published cost-benefit
    analyses should be the starting point for decision-making on the
    better roads, railways and ports that Australia needs for the years
    and decades ahead.
    THE COALITION’ S PLAN FOR A STRONGER AUSTRALIA
    26
    With abundant coal and iron ore, Australia should have a natural
    advantage in making steel. With abundant bauxite and cheap
    power, Australia should have a natural advantage in making
    aluminium. With greater export orientation to drive higher
    production volumes, there is no reason why Australia cannot sustain
    a viable motor industry.
    The demands of the resources sector should help to sustain
    a sophisticated heavy engineering capacity in Australia. In this case,
    the tyranny of distance should actually be working for us, not
    against us. The threat to Australian manufacturing industry doesn’t
    come from lack of subsidy but from ideologically driven taxes,
    union-brokered labour market changes and governments fixated
    on scoring political points ahead of good long-term policy.
    The threat to Australian
    manufacturing industry
    doesn’t come from lack
    of subsidy but from
    ideologically driven taxes,
    union-brokered labour
    market changes and
    governments fixated
    on scoring political
    points ahead of good
    long-term policy.
    The ministers in the next
    Liberal National government
    will be responsible reformers.
    We will take advice because
    we understand that good
    intentions can have unanticipated
    consequences. But
    we also understand that
    Australians are an optimistic
    people who want a government
    that sees potential rather than
    just problems. We will be a
    pragmatic, problem-solving
    government but it will be
    pragmatism based on mainstream Australian values. I know how
    important giving everyone a “fair go” is to Australians. That is why
    we need to “have a go” to build a stronger economy.
    By the close of the next Coalition government’s first term, I am
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    27
    confident that waste, mismanagement and reckless spending will
    have been brought under control; more tax cuts will be in prospect;
    there will be community controlled public schools and hospitals;
    and just about every fit working age person will be in work, preferably
    for a wage but, if not, for the dole.
    Small businesses, in particular, will have a government that wants
    to make their life easier, not harder. Illegal boat arrivals will be no
    more common than in the last five years of the Howard government.
    Better broadband will once more be delivered through market
    competition freeing more money to tackle traffic gridlock. The
    carbon tax will be gone and, with it, some of the upward pressure
    on prices.
    Instead, as the new parliamentary year dawns, it is hard to be
    confident about our country when people cannot have confidence
    in a government whose parliamentary survival depends upon Fair
    Work Australia stringing out its investigation of Craig Thomson
    into a fourth year. The best way to help the country right now would
    be to change the government and the best way to change the
    government would be to give the people their choice at an election.
    Changing the government, of course, is but a means to an end:
    to bring out the best in our people and in our nation.
    In his famous “light on the hill” speech, Ben Chifley said that the
    purpose of public life was not to make someone premier or prime
    minister or even to put an extra sixpence into people’s pockets but
    to “work for the betterment of mankind, not just here but wherever
    we can lend a helping hand”. People should be in public life for the
    right reasons. Mine are to serve our country, to stand up for the
    things I believe in, to do the right thing by my fellow Australians as
    best I can, to build a nation that will inspire us more and to lead
    a government that will disappoint us

  354. In one paragraph, what is he actually planning to do.

    Remove so call carbon tax for starters to replace wit inefficient Direct Action. Where does that benefit the country. Bring back work for the dole.

    To so, plunge the country into years of electoral instability, while he seeks the numbers in both houses, to do so.

    To remove legislation that most are comfortable with. That does indeed make sense.

    Will have to do better than that effort.

    We are asking why you think he will make the better leader. Not interested in reading pages of slogan and I can do, most of which come from the past.

    What you have put up, is Mr. Abbott’s election campaign for an election nearly a year off. It is not a smart move as you believe it to be. It is idiotic.

    It is telling us you have no idea.

  355. paulwello @ 9:25 pm

    Hall, you said this

    The “racism card”? You have to be joking! Besides the fact that I have no idea what you ethnicity may be (and I don’t want to know) I am saying that as human being you you are a very poor example of the species which is an opinion based upon your behaviour not your, unknown to me, ethnicity.

    That is what the problem is, you do not no(sic) what my nationality is, so calling someone a sad creature is quite offensive, then stating I am a very poor example of the species, maybe you should actually look in the mirror one day Hall, then you will see an example of it yourself.

    Oh I know that I am something of a physical wreck Paul, you know crashing Motorcycles will do that to your body, but ethically morally and spiritually I think that I am a far more evolved individual than you are. Now you whine about me calling you “a sad creature” yet here and elsewhere you insist on calling me far worse so it seems that you can dish it out but are mortally wounded that I should give you any kind of serve in return? Grow a pair Paul and realise that if you want to play that game that I will give you no quarter. So you don’t want to be offended and described as a “sad creature” then treat your interlocutors with a modicum of respect and you will get the same in return. Throw lots of personal insults and they will be returned, in spades.

    By the way Hall you might want to check your grammar, there are comma’s missing, full stops, repeating of words, and you say I’m uneducated.

    Mate I know that I’m not perfect but at least I can tell the difference between “no” and “know”. (highlighted above)

    Or is it because you are becoming frustrated on not being able to find any reasons as to why Abbott would be a better PM, which by the way, I have looked at your post’s and not one of them states the reason why.

    No the only thing that marginally frustrates me is your childish debating style and the way that you are so lacking in any sort of good graces, good humour, or good manners, its what makes you such a sad creature and so worthy of my pity.

  356. Troll, Why would we read such rubbish?

    The man is a self confessed LIAR, and the only ones that would want a copy of such rubbish are the rusted on trolls who would support him if he said the sky was green with purple spots. Thats you! 🙄

    He has also proved that he would say or do anything to get his grubby mits on the keys to the Lodge.

    Oh… except sell his arse…. cos Murdoch and Ironheart already own that! 👿

    😆 😆 😆

  357. Troll, have you never heard the saying… “Self praise is no recommendation” ?

    “but ethically morally and spiritually I think that I am a far more evolved individual than you are.”

    Nyaaaaaahahahahaha 😆 😆 😆

    Now you’re really pushing the envelope of credibility.

    And proved conclusively by that statement…. that you are NOT>

  358. Hall 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 It is you that is being made the fool, I put it there on purpose you fool, Glad to c that admitted that you make mistakes, personal insults, that is a bit far fetched, especially coming from you. By the way Hall someone said this

    need I remind you that playing the man rather than the ball means that you automatically lose the argument?

    you lost.

  359. Catching up @ 6:35 am

    In one paragraph, what is he actually planning to do.

    Remove so call carbon tax for starters to replace with inefficient Direct Action. Where does that benefit the country. Bring back work for the dole.

    You know what CU I am actually no fan of his direct action policy, thinking that instead the coalition should just drop all pretensions of a belief in the AGW nonsense, however at the very least there will be some tangible benefits to our environment like an improvement in our agricultural soil quality. What has the Carbon tax regime given us but a huge and useless money churn and socialist wealth redistribution by stealth?

    To so, plunge the country into years of electoral instability, while he seeks the numbers in both houses, to do so.

    No I don’t think so because I don’t expect that a chastened Labor party would block repeal of the Carbon tax regime that they only agreed to at the behest of the Greens

    To remove legislation that most are comfortable with. That does indeed make sense.

    It is a core promise to do so so Abbott will not follow Gillard’s sad example of betraying the trust of the voters by back-flipping, further I think that you confuse being “comfortable” with being resigned to a hated tax until the government is changed.

    Will have to do better than that effort.

    Quite a good speech IMHO, however as nothing would convince you that anyone but Labor should govern I am not surprised that you are unimpressed.

    We are asking why you think he will make the better leader. Not interested in reading pages of slogan and I can do, most of which come from the past.

    Well its a damn good speech that lays out the coalition plans quite well so you should take the time to read it and then you will know what the opposition are going to do rather than just the ALP attempts at spin and misinformation.

    What you have put up, is Mr. Abbott’s election campaign for an election nearly a year off. It is not a smart move as you believe it to be. It is idiotic.

    It is telling us you have no idea.

    No its telling you tat the coalition are at this remove from the election have a clear and cogent policy direction on all of the issues that matter and that the closer we get to polling day the more detail that will be shared about each of those policies in turn. That is the way that our electoral cycle works.

  360. paulwello @ 7:01 am

    Hall 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 It is you that is being made the fool, I put it there on purpose you fool, Glad to c that admitted that you make mistakes, personal insults, that is a bit far fetched, especially coming from you. By the way Hall someone said this

    need I remind you that playing the man rather than the ball means that you automatically lose the argument?

    you lost.

    Once again you prove the shallowness of your comprehension skills, when arguing about a substantive political issue one is “playing the man” if you respond with an off topic attack upon your interlocutor that is called making an ad hominem argument however I was not arguing about the political issues at hand here rather I was responding to you whining about being referred to as a “sad creature” and your complaint of racism. So that means that the topic of our conversation was your contentions and objections to the richly deserved epithet “sad creature” which mean that I was playing the ball that you had thrown in my direction rather than the man QED.

  361. I think the Abbott diatribe put up by the Nuffy troll should be mandatory reading. It will leave anyone who has read it in no doubt what Abbott will do to Australia should he win government. He will make John Howard look like a social worker.

    I love Nuffy’s ” Put a stop to all this AGW nonsense” In the above exchange. It’s like Hall is an expert on the science. Talk about delusions of grandeur.

  362. P.J. but it is so boring, and he is saying nothing new. Was boring enough listening to make them live, without having to read them.

    Just let Iain point out a few points. It is up to him to convince us.

    He would be better employed doing that, than handing out insults as his want of us.

  363. C.U yea point taken.The diatribe in Abbott’s book is very similar to the twaddle in in “Mein Kampf” obviously both works of fiction .OBTW Nuffy couldn’t convince a man dying of thirst to take a drink of water.

  364. ….y plan to reduce the cost of living pressures on families is to take
    the carbon tax off their power and transport and make government
    live within its means. That way, there can be lower taxes and less
    upward pressure on interest rates …..

    Will not save money. Will cost.

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    18
    Discontinuing the computers in schools programme, which parents
    are now having to pay for anyway, could save over half a billion …………………….

    Runs out before the next election.

    …………….There are many problems with the government’s so-called Fair Work
    Act: there is a flexibility problem, a militancy problem, but above
    all else a productivity problem which is hardly surprising when
    workplace negotiations are always meant to involve outside union
    bosses rather than the employees of a business. A serious review……………………..

    More power to the bosses.

    …………………….We are going to work with the states to make public hospitals and public schools more accountable to their communities with local
    boards and councils choosing leaders, employing staff and controlling
    budgets. We are going to work with community organisations and
    with the private sector to ensure that government funded services
    are delivered in the most effective way, much as the former
    government did with the Job Network. And we are going to deliver
    a fair-dinkum paid parental leave scheme, not the government’s
    re-badged baby bonus……………………..

    Sorry Iain, failed to find any where in the long diatribe, how he is going to do things.

    Nothing to give one any hope for the future.

  365. Notice poor old Nil has dropped the subject of Abbott’s supposed JUDGEMENT. What’s the matter, there, buddy, been caught out making absurd assertions? Come and tell us about Abbott’s JUDGEMENT.

    Abbott’s JUDGEMENT

    Abbott, May 2009:

    “Well let’s wait and see what the future brings. Obviously, all of us will, in a sense, be judged by the facts as they unfold. But my point is that all of the money that they are spending, it’s not going to stop us going into a recession. It’s not going to stop the recession being long and deep. And I would argue that the recession will actually be worse in the long run because of the measures that they’ve taken.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200905/r378685_1762870.asx

    As we know, there was NO recession in Australia. Let alone a “long and deep” one as predicted by the Speedo Sage.

    Australia was the only developed economy to avoid recession during the Global Financial Crisis. Three years on, Australia is (still) the strongest developed economy in the world. No thanks to the talking down of our confidence/prospects by Abbott, the Noalition and their cacophony of media mouthpieces.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/australian-economy-leads-the-world-20120418-1x6ac.html

  366. lol, that pasted piece of crap boy ian is nothing but a long list of ‘NO’, sprinkled with a lot of outright lies about the current ‘big taxing’ Government.

    There is no plan there, just a rose tinted reminiscence about his days as part of a Government.

    THAT’S his plan

    ROFL

    Labor are a shoe in.

  367. ‘you are supposed to be supplying examples of the libs helping small business’

    Very small business (VSB) is suffering because of global warming hysteria. Big business and government do well, but we are suffering.

    If Tabit can return power bills to pre joolya levels it will give VSBs a fighting chance.

  368. And I would argue that the recession will actually be worse in the long run because of the measures that they’ve taken.”

    The way him and his media cronies have been carrying on, we have been in a long and deep recession ever since.

    Unfortunately for them, the actual figures keep coming out contradicting them, yet still they maintain their stage.

  369. Very small business (VSB) is suffering because of global warming hysteria

    link(s)

    Cos I for one know that solar installation companies are being run off their feet.

    Ours is about to go up, no more paying for gold plating from our tribe 😉

    The Carbon Price is doing its job!

  370. Tom R,

    They would have been popping the champagne corks behind closed doors at the NOalition offices if we HAD gone into recession. Such is the toxicity of the worst Opposition in living memory.

  371. Catching up @ 7:35 am

    P.J. but it is so boring, and he is saying nothing new. Was boring enough listening to make them live, without having to read them.

    You get a big tick from me CU insofar as you do make the effort to listen, even if you don’t truly hear the message from Tony Abbott, so maybe you do need to read the speech so that you can consider what he is saying in detail and respond to his arguments in a more informed way.

    Just let Iain point out a few points. It is up to him to convince us.

    As the old saying goes one can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink, thus I have little expectation of convincing rusted on Labor supporters here that the alternative is better, even so I will try to oblige if you pick one of the points of the speech in particular that you don’t understand. 😉

  372. Iain, just reread the rubbish. Still nothing there. Big on words, small on information.

    Much is not fact. I could say lies but will give the benefit of the doubt.

    Yes, one can lead a horse to water, but it would be a stupid horse that drank from a poisoned waterhole.

  373. you do need to read the speech so that you can consider what he is saying in detail

    yabots yap, the abridged version

    That is why
    my plan for a stronger economy
    is to scrap unnecessary taxes,
    cut government spending and
    reduce the red tape burden on business.
    My plan to reduce the cost of living pressures on families is to take
    the carbon tax off their power and transport and make government
    live within its means. That way, there can be lower taxes and less
    upward pressure on interest rates.

    So, his plan is to do what Labor has done, reduce taxes andcost of living expenses. Genius. Of course, as yet, no idea how.

    At the heart of our plan for a stronger economy is getting government
    spending down and productivity up so that borrowing reduces, the
    pressure on interest rates comes off and taxes can responsibly come down.

    Hmm, remarkable like the Governmnet is doing NOW()

    The first act of
    an incoming Coalition
    government will be to
    prepare the carbon tax
    repeal legislation to take
    the pressure off the power
    prices and transport prices
    that feed through to every
    price in our economy.

    The party of ‘NOOOO!’

    Discontinuing the computers in schools programme,

    The party of ‘NOOOO!’

    Not proceeding with the so-called GP super clinics

    The party of ‘NOOOO!’

    Big savings could be made in the government’s $350
    a throw set-top box programme since Gerry Harvey can supply
    and install them for half the price.

    BULLSHIT!
    The party of ‘NOOOO!’

    Vastly reducing the number
    of consultancies

    lol, as if

    Not proceeding with the
    carbon tax

    Haven’t we heard this before

    Not proceeding with the mining tax

    ‘NOOOO!’

    The Coalition will save
    business $1 billion a year in
    red tape expenses by requiring
    each department and agency to quantify the costs of its regulations
    and to set targets to reduce them. We will give people the chance
    to show what they can do – not what they cannot – by offering
    employers incentives to take on young people and seniors who might
    otherwise become trapped in the welfare system.
    There will be tough love too. Why should fit young people be able
    to take the dole when unskilled work is readily available? Why should
    middle aged people with bad backs or a bout of mental illness be
    semi-permanently parked on the disability pension because it is easier
    than helping them to experience once more the fulfilment of work?

    YAAAAY, workchoices is back. Say goodby to any hope of a win now 😆

    At the heart of the Liberal National Coalition’s plan for stronger
    communities is the delivery of better health and education services.
    Almost nothing is more important for families than good schools,
    good clinics and hospitals. As technology improves and the
    population ages, more spending will be needed but, right now, what’s
    needed is more intelligent spending as much as greater spending.

    As technology improves they are going to stop the NBN, the biggest driver of better health and education. Muppets.

    We are going to work with the states to make public hospitals and
    public schools more accountable to their communities with local
    boards and councils choosing leaders, employing staff and controlling
    budgets. We are going to work with community organisations and
    with the private sector to ensure that government funded services
    are delivered in the most effective way, much as the former
    government did with the Job Network. And we are going to deliver
    a fair-dinkum paid parental leave scheme, not the government’s
    re-badged baby bonus.

    The party will never allow that to happen, in fact, they have already started moving away from the plan to subsidise rich parents with increased prices from the poorer community

    I will spend at
    least a week every year
    in a remote indigenous
    community

    Not really a policy, but be good to see the back of him for a week each year at least

    I stress that Medicare funded dentistry is an
    aspiration not a commitment.

    We get it 😉

    That is why the Green Army
    providing a reliable, substantial workforce to support the land care
    efforts of local councils, farmers and volunteers should turn out
    to be one of the next Coalition government’s signature policies.

    Same old same old policy that has been ripped to shreds anytime anyone cares to revisit it

    Our plan for strong borders starts with temporary protection visas
    to deny the people smugglers a product to sell, rigorous offshore
    processing for illegal arrivals so that bad behaviour has consequences,
    and turning boats around where it is safe to do so because sovereign
    countries do not allow themselves to be played for mugs.

    Yea, maybe one day you’ll even talk to our neighbours about it ROFL

    We will stand up for
    Australia’s values as well
    as for our interests but
    will avoid big talk without
    actions to match.

    😆 :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    (see above)

    so our
    foreign policy will have a Jakarta focus rather than a Geneva one.

    Even if Jakarts policy makers all happen to be in Geneva ROFL

    A rolling 15-year plan for major
    infrastructure priorities based on rigorous, published cost-benefit
    analyses should be the starting point for decision-making on the
    better roads, railways and ports that Australia needs for the years
    and decades ahead.

    Why don’t the Government have something like that now? The could call it ‘Infrastructure Australia’ or something

    So, tabots plan

    Do what Labor is already doing. Undo what Labor is already doing. Do what howard did

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  374. Why don’t the Government have something like that now? The could call it ‘Infrastructure Australia’ or something

    I think it used to be called Auslink until Labor changed the name in 2008.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AusLink

    AusLink was administered under the AusLink (National Land Transport) Act 2005,[2] until the 2005 legislation was superseded by the Infrastructure Australia Act 2008,[3] the Nation Building and Jobs Plan (State Infrastructure Delivery) Act 2009,[4] the Nation-building Funds Act 2008[5] and the Nation Building Program (National Land Transport) Act 2009.[1]”

  375. Actually, no, nil. Auslink was a “land transport funding program”,

    “Infrastructure Australia” is more far reaching than that, and Auslink (rebadged to “Nation Building Program (National Land Transport) Act 2009”) comes under it’s umbrella. Its role is to plan and co-ordinate infrastructure projects across Australia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Australia

  376. Yeh, the worst government in history.”

    Can’t stop lying can you. It was actually one of the better govts we have had. Certainly in terms of economic results. We will not see unemployment at 4% with Labor in power. And I have to mention this comment by Faulkner again.

    the rorting of the $500 million Regional Partnerships program, with massively disproportionate grants being allocated to coalition seats

    This is not true. Coalition got 70% of the funding because they had 70% of the seats. It is factual errors like this that causes me to distrust anything said by someone from the ALP.

    That comment by Faulkner ranks up with many comments I saw saying Howard changed the way the unemployment rate was measured to make his govt look better. I do not know how many times I saw the statement that Howard introduced the law where you worked for one hour you were classified as employed. Load of crap.

  377. Lol, the truth really stings Nil the Fiberal troll. Not only was the Howard government the worst government in history it was the most dishonest, incompetent and scandal-prone. The only thing that saved them from electoral oblivion was the fact that the economy didn’t all apart, and that was mostly due to three factors:

    a) Extensive modernisation reforms of the previous (Hawke-Keating) government
    b) The worldwide boom – one of the biggest ever
    c) Supplemented by the domestic resources boom

    Neither of the three factors was due to the Fiberals. Two had nothing whatever to do with them, and the third was Labor’s doing.

    Fiberals mythologise Howard as an economic achiever, but his record as the worst treasurer in history proves the opposite. As for Costello, one of the laziest, most unimaginative, complacent loafers to occupy the position. Most of his effort went into Spin – at that he was a true champion, even among the unrivaled Spinners of the Fiberal coalition.

    As for Abbott, he says he is “bored” by Economics. Those who have worked with him describe him as “innumerate” and other unflattering terms.

    But then, Nil would rather not talk about Abbott. He said earlier, rather impatiently, that his supposed JUDGEMENT is why Abbott should be supported. But in the face of considerable evidence that Abbott has very poor judgement Nil went silent on that score.

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  379. Hall, seeing that you are big on the environment, expand on this. A PLAN FOR
    A CLEANER ENVIRONMENT and their Direct action Policy.

  380. …ethically morally and spiritually I think that I am a far more evolved individual than you are…

    Putting aside the conceit in this remark, I am curious as to what Inain means by the term “spiritual.”

  381. Not only was the Howard government the worst government in history it was the most dishonest, incompetent and scandal-prone.

    Don’t agree. It was actually one of the better govts. Hard to beat the previous State ALP govt here in NSW for scandal.

    Howard was voted out by people who told lies about him and who invented somebody that did not exist. Like it was alleged he changed the way the unemployment rate was measured to help his govt look better. Load of crap. And I could go on.

    For some reason people told lies about Howard and his govt.

    I can only assume your morals are similar to Gillards since you voted for her. That is all the information I need to know she is an unethical human being.

  382. …………”Mr Abbott is now going to ask the Australian people in 2013 to vote for him on the basis that the centre of his prime ministership would be continuing with this personal campaign of sleaze and smear,” Ms Gillard told the Ten Network’s Meet the Press program on Sunday.
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    ”The driving purpose of his prime ministership would be to continue a fight against me, rather than a fight for the Australian people.
    ”Well, I think Australians are heartily sick of this.”
    With a new poll showing only one in five voters believed she was being honest about the saga, Ms Gillard reiterated she had done nothing wrong.
    ”I’ve told the truth about this matter,” she said.
    Mr Abbott insisted again that Ms Gillard had committed a crime in her role of providing legal advice to incorporate an association for her then boyfriend and Australian Workers Union Victoria state secretary Bruce Wilson.
    The association was allegedly defrauded by Mr Wilson and his sidekick, Ralph Blewitt, but Ms Gillard has maintained all along that she had no involvement with, or knowledge of, the association other than to provide routine legal advice to enable its incorporation.
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    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/pm-inquiry-pledge-shows-abbott-wedded-to-sleaze-20121202-2ap1v.html

  383. There, there, Nil. I can see that the truth is confronting for you as a right-winger. But denial won’t help. You can keep pretending that the Howard government was not the worst government of all time, but it’s not fooling anyone. This isn’t a right wing site where slack-jawed idiots line up to be fed Liberal lies.

  384. “For some reason people told lies about Howard and his govt.”

    Talk about desperation. Yea well I can believe that, because the same thing s s is happening to Gillard in spades. Is that pay back or Karma?.

  385. Reposted from the New Matilda Blog…..
    Dr Dog
    Posted Monday, 03 December 12 at 4:31PM
    In government we will also seek to harness the food production opportunities offered by the flocks of flying pigs that have recently appeared in Australian skies. Members of the shooters party have been convened to address this new policy shortfall.

    The testing of our Julie Bishop robot has been a complete success, and on election we intend to roll out this model to take up positions as school headmistresses and bowling club presidents across the nation. We understand public concerns and will ensure that the hair is less metallic and more flexible in the new models.

    In the spirit of true libertarianism we will legalise gay marriage and marijuana, which will be taxed to provide unprecendented improvements in health services. We have realised that a Liberal government has no place in social issues and therefore will stop being such busybodies.

    While we acknowledge that George Brandis cannot be available every time, public enthusiasm indicates that there are enough hardheads and nut jobs in the current party to make public floggings a monthly event. Requests for Tony Abbott to be released from his lead lined coffin and beaten will be considered but do not take into account the fact that he enjoys it. Opus dei huh? Does anyone get it? I don’t.

    Our newly created position of Parliamentary Jester will be taken up by Joe Hockey, and once he is on permanent loan to Channel 7 and back to his avuncular self the government anticipates annual savings of up to 12 million dollars in manufactured outrage.

    The CSIRO, Bureau of Meteorology and Dolly Doctor will be disbanded for annual savings of some 213 million dollars annually on the basis that Christopher Pyne already knows everything.

  386. So, is Abbott’s new book an official policy release?

    Pardon the crudity (It IS Abbott we’re talking about, remember 😉 ) The release of Abbott’s new ‘book’ is like the release of a fart in an elevator. There’s nothing to it except hot air. It’s on the nose. And when the depth of its offensiveness becomes apparent no one will want to own up to it.

  387. Not so mellow wello @ 4:47 pm

    Hall, seeing that you are big on the environment, expand on this. A PLAN FOR
    A CLEANER ENVIRONMENT and their Direct action Policy.

    As I have pointed out many times I am not the biggest fan of the direct action policy but it is going to produce some tangible results for our environment rather than just enriching the spivs and shysters ant the big end of town like the Carbon tax ETS that Gillard has created so that makes it marginally better than Labor’s offering but only just.
    silkworm @ 4:49 pm

    I am curious as to what Iain means by the term “spiritual.”

    Its a sense of wonder and a deep and abiding respect for nature, all living things and vast wonders of the universe. combined with some humility about the position of humanity in the scheme of things.

  388. iaiaian Hall,

    Quoting Miglo, and the conditions at top of thread,

    The only condition is that I want evidence produced from reliable sources. Hence links to Andrew Bolt or The Australian, for example, will be disregarded.

    If links to Blot and the OO are disregarded, it goes without saying that so too are links to their parliamentary extensions at Lieberal.org. Give us something credible or admit ya got nothin’ girlie.

  389. “So, is Abbott’s new book an official policy release”

    Would advise all to read. After all, I believe they are a collection of speeches given by Mr. Abbott lately.

    As I have taken the trouble to listen to most live, they do not read any better in this volume. It is what Mr. Abbott is about, though. We should not ignore that.

  390. Capitol Hill worthwhile today.

    Made a mistake, was an interview with Lyfal Gurtis a nd Bradbury before Capitol Hill.

  391. Well Hall, you said pick a topic, I did, seeing though have not answered the question, I give you a BIG FAT FAIL, I just proves to everyone here that you are just full of hot air

  392. It is what Mr. Abbott is about, though. We should not ignore that

    It doesn’t matter what Abbott SAYS he might do. The Lieberals say a lot of things, and don’t do them… or turn around and do something completely different.

    Or, they say nothing about a policy… only to hit you over the head with it after an election when it’s too late to refuse. For example, WorkChoices.

    Or they say they advocate “the world’s most comprehensive emissions trading scheme”… only to later deny climate change is even a problem worth addressing. Absolute crap, they are. Tell you anything.

    Good rule of thumb when judging the Fiberals: Don’t listen to what they say; watch what they do.

  393. OK, if Abbott’s book is his policy release, which are core and which are non-core promises? And where is the budgeting that goes with a policy release?

    It’s a policy release when you don’t have a policy release. It’s a Clayton’s policy release.

  394. Silkworm, we have moved on past core and non core promises. All have the

    That is why it is so important for Mr. Abbott to create the perception, that one of the richest countries in the world is bankrupted.

  395. Yesterday Abbott was saying he was Mr Yes when it comes to NDIS. Today, Joe Hockey responding to the reduction in interest rates was berating the government for spending too much money. Hockey said the government had caused problems to the RBA by committing to the NDIS etc.

  396. Come on Hall, you said this,

    As I have pointed out many times I am not the biggest fan of the direct action policy but it is going to produce some tangible results for our environment

    What would be those tangible results be Hall, your the expert on the environment.

  397. An improvement in our agricultural soils and more resources to local Landcare groups will bring both improved yields to our crops and a more sustainable farming sector

  398. So, is that all that the Abbott policy on the environment and there direct action policy is going to do, another BIG FAT FAIL, no wonder no one takes you seriously, you silly galah.

  399. Another problem with Abbott’s so-called direct action plan is where is his Green Army going to come from? From which magical hat will he draw these thousands of experts on indigenous species, care plus maintenance of same.

  400. Cuppa @ 4:28 pm

    If links to Blot and the OO are disregarded, it goes without saying that so too are links to their parliamentary extensions at Lieberal.org. Give us something credible or admit ya got nothin’ girlie.

    This nonsense just shows two very important things, firstly you are too closed minded to read what the opposition are saying will be what they want to do in government, even though it will cost you nothing to download. Secondly it must mean that you rely only upon the spin delivered by Labor and/ or worse yet the Greens. We grown ups read and consider all sides of the argument, you should try it sometime.

    Oh and If I got your gender wrong by referring to you as female, your correction will not see the mistake repeated, fair enough?

  401. ‘this is a political thread….’

    True, but Ricky cannot be allowed to run rampant without reply…the man has no blog etiquette.

  402. Min@ 8:07 pm

    Another problem with Abbott’s so-called direct action plan is where is his Green Army going to come from? From which magical hat will he draw these thousands of experts on indigenous species, care plus maintenance of same.

    As I have said before its hardly my favourite coalition policy that said though you would not have to be an “expert” on native species if your task is to pull out some woodie weeds cleaning up rubbish or similar tasks.

  403. Min, maybe that is where the asylum seekers are going to be put to work, for their benefits.

    My concern is where is he going to find the suitable land, almost I believe, acreage the size of Tasmania is needed..

    Still do not believe o0ne can grow trees in a desert. Could be wrong, as he is seen as the miracle land. Maybe he can.

  404. I’ll never forget that one..when questioned about where the trees would be planted and after the Nats had cracked the sads about any interference in farming pursuits, Abbott came up with the whiz-bang idea that the mega tree planting could also happen in parks and nature strips..Wow..that’s really going to make a difference….

  405. ‘this is a political thread….’

    True, but Ricky cannot be allowed to run rampant without reply…the man has no blog etiquette.

    El gordo, you forget that as a leftie Ricky has extra privileges on this blog.

  406. We hear little of carbon capitation or whatever it was called anymore. A;so the science of carbon sesquation, or whatever it was, Believe the science was found wanting. All things, direct action rely on.

  407. Hall, you actually make a great comedian, I know of a place near where I live you would fit right in, it is where Abbott will get his green army, Its actually called a gaol. You could do standup, Abbott will tell porkies, Pyne dog impressions, Julie Bishop could represent the inmates for their parole hearings. The way the opposition have been going this year they all might end up in gaol.

  408. Calls for an inquiry into trade unions could be an effective vehicle for the Coalition to return to aspects of WorkChoices — without using that hated name.

    This one is hilarious. Bishop has been saying for a while this government has damaged relationships with China, but it turns out it was Abbott. If you ever wanted absolute proof of right wing projection then this is it.

    Liberal Party deputy Julie Bishop is leading a heavy hitting group of Libs and Nats on a three-city tour of China, attempting to smooth over some of Tony Abbott’s past mistakes.

  409. Maybe Hall could expand on Abbott’s Paid Parental Leave as well, on how it is going to Tax companies that have a profit of more that $5,000,000.00, that is over 3,000 companies, wonder how that is going to affect the tax payers, will these companies raise prices to cover the tax. I think So.

  410. The problem is Hall, you would have to actually know something about the environment and botany, just pulling out woody plants and other plants could destroy the environment that you are working on and make it worse. The green army would have to be trained, learn plant identification and basic environmental skills, who is going to pay for these people to be trained.

  411. Paul, it can be done such as volunteers for Dune Care but the thing is that such people must be motivated to learn..a group of people there only under duress such a Work For The Dole scheme has the potential to cause a great deal of damage. For fully trained people paid at the going rate for example, for arboriculturalists then you are looking at one hell of a lot of money when you consider that the job is extremely labour intensive.

  412. Liberal Party deputy Julie Bishop is leading a heavy hitting group of Libs and Nats on a three-city tour of China, attempting to smooth over some of Tony Abbott’s past mistakes

    What mistakes are these??

  413. Have to revise my other post, I said this

    Tax companies that have a profit of more that $5,000,000.00

    Should have said

    Taxable Income of $5,000,000.00

    and 3,700 companies

  414. Miglo he told the Chinese that they should bring about political reform to match their remarkable economic reform.

    And he was not against Chinese involvement in Australia, but against the Communist state being behind the businesses.

    “It would rarely be in Australia’s interests to allow a foreign government or its agencies to control an Australian business,” Tony Abbott said, noting that Chinese investment was dominated by state-owned enterprises.

    “That’s because we don’t support the nationalisation of businesses by the Australian government, let alone a foreign one.”

    ‘It is understood an Abbott-led investment regime would welcome Chinese government investment in ”greenfield” start-up businesses, such as new mining or agricultural projects, but would reject most Chinese government attempts to take over established enterprises.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-talks-tough-during-china-visit-20120724-22nkw.html#ixzz2E5H81fs1

  415. Well for a start, Neil, he had a go at them for investing too much in Australia.”

    Well i heard some complaints from the Nats about China buying Cubbie station. I believe the Libs supported the purchase but it was the Nats who were against.

    Not too sure Abbott said he was worried about too much Chinese investment.

    Personally I have no idea if selling Cubbie station to the Chinese was a good idea.

  416. Iain Hall
    December 4, 2012 @ 7:55 pm
    An improvement in our agricultural soils and more resources to local Landcare groups will bring both improved yields to our crops and a more sustainable farming sector

    Fraking Oath

    scaper…
    November 30, 2012 @ 6:02 pm
    No comment.

    Gee you really Blew-itt there

    Cuppa
    December 1, 2012 @ 12:29 pm

    Worst government in Australia’s history goes to the Coalition. Let us recall a sample of the ministerial disasters:

    Your on fire son 🙂

    el gordo
    December 4, 2012 @ 5:16 pm

    ’522 and I smell desperation…..Climate change denial…’

    Could you elaborate?

    Yeah its up to 589

    el gordo
    December 4, 2012 @ 8:15 pm

    True, but Ricky cannot be allowed to run rampant without reply…the man has no blog etiquette.

    Thanks 589

    el gordo
    December 4, 2012 @ 8:22 pm

    I voted for joolya,

    And now she roolesya

  417. Worst government in Australia’s history goes to the Coalition. Let us recall a sample of the ministerial disasters”

    Well the alleged worst govt produced economic numbers not seen for a generation of Australians. Anybody who wanted a job could get one.

    Compare that to 1983-1996 where unemployment averaged 8% and we had 30 months of double digit unemployment. Banking deregulation which produced several banks going under. Large budget deficits. Selling Qantas and the Comm Bank and using the money obtained for recurrent spending.

    Your judgement is as bad as Gillards.

  418. paulwello @ 9:02 pm

    Maybe Hall could expand on Abbott’s Paid Parental Leave as well, on how it is going to Tax companies that have a profit of more that $5,000,000.00, that is over 3,000 companies, wonder how that is going to affect the tax payers, will these companies raise prices to cover the tax. I think So.

    Probably less effect on “taxpayers” than Julia’s scheme when push comes to shove, I tend to think that its a bit too generous, however if we want our best and brightest women to have children then we have to realise that this scheme will facilitate this.

    paulwello @ 9:15 pm

    The problem is Hall, you would have to actually know something about the environment and botany, just pulling out woody plants and other plants could destroy the environment that you are working on and make it worse. The green army would have to be trained, learn plant identification and basic environmental skills, who is going to pay for these people to be trained.

    Mate you are a city boy I gather eh? On our acreage we have a problem with Lantana, its a choking invasive weed and there is nothing that beats pulling out the plants and then going back a few weeks later to spray the regrowth , It takes about 10 seconds to learn to recognise this plant and how to pull the buggers out or chop em down, It does not get more basic than that and you don’t need any sort of extensive training to do it. The thing about most of the woody weeds is that they are very different to the native plants that they compete with and it does not take a PHD to learn what that difference is.

  419. Probably less effect on “taxpayers” than Julia’s scheme when push comes to shove

    Care to elaborate, considering it is financed in the same manner PLUS the extra from big business

  420. economic numbers not seen for a generation of Australians

    Well why do you think that was, genius? The Lieberal government just happened to be in office at the time of the biggest global boom in a generation.

    It doesn’t take a genius to see the connection, Nil.

    It’s easy to spin the line that you’re ‘competent economic managers’ while rivers of gold are flowing into government coffers thanks to the most remarkable burst in global prosperity seen for decades.

    It’s easier still to spin the line when you’ve got most of the media behind you, propping up and amplifying the propaganda.

    With every posting here, the RWers show why they’re all spin, no substance – just like much of their so-called “mainstream” media.

    And still no credible evidence as to why Abbott should be supported. Did someone say something about his supposed JUDGEMENT? Lol!

  421. And here comes Malcolm again, once again attempting to distance himself from, and differentiate himself from Tony Abbott..

    MALCOLM TURNBULL has portrayed himself as the antithesis of Tony Abbott’s political mentor, B.A. Santamaria, the staunch protectionsist and founder of the Democratic Labor Party.

    Note how Malcolm has specified not just Santamaria, but “Tony Abbott’s political mentor..”.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/enemy-within-still-the-danger-turnbull-20121204-2at6t.html#ixzz2E7STnsVw

  422. Mate you are a city boy I gather

    There you go again, assuming that you know people and where they live, or are you fishing again to find out where people live, galah.

    On our acreage we have a problem with Lantana, its a choking invasive weed and there is nothing that beats pulling out the plants and then going back a few weeks later to spray the regrowth

    You may know it it on your acreage, but will the volunteers know what is a weed and what is not out in the middle native scrub-land. I think not,

  423. ‘And now she roolesya’

    For the time being…not too much longer. Democracy is a wonderful concept.

  424. it does not take a PHD to learn what that difference is.

    That is right, it does not take a PHD, but basic skill in Botany and the environment would be an advantage.

  425. Santamaria was a practicing catlick and very devout.

    Does Abbott go religiously to church on Sunday? Its a mortal sin if you don’t.

  426. Today Mr Abbott will start a two-day journey driving a semi-trailer 875 kilometres along the Pacific Highway from Brisbane to Terrigal.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/enemy-within-still-the-danger-turnbull-20121204-2at6t.html#ixzz2E8FQJLDy

    Wonder if I should walk the 100 metres to see him go past. Then it might be a waste of time. It might not be the Pacific Highway he is coming down, but the freeway,

    Should I pull him over, to point out there are crosses and flowers, indictatig five deaths in the next 100 metres. No, I fear, it is not his part of the highway he is so concerned about. No plans to upgrade it as I can see. Also fail to see why the number is so high. The last, a few months ago, was pure exhaustion, just falling to sleep. How does more work on the road, overcome this.

    Two days to do this trip????

    Once again, a stunt. Clever me can drive a big truck. Getting ready for his next career.

    The question I would really like to ask, why he needs to talk down the economy, to achieve his ambition. Yes, surplus can be attained by other means than cutting taxes and expenditure.

    This is a rich country, not one in bankruptcy. The question should be, can we not afford. It is up to governments to find the means. It is about choices. Are Australians willing to pay, not we cannot. Yes we can, if we are willing.

  427. “Democracy is a wonderful concept.”

    Yes it is. When one makes mistakes, there is always the chance to fix things up at the next elections.

    This is good, as I am sure many in the eastern states cannot wait, to rid themselves of their Premiers.

    It will not be kissed by many, that Mr.Abott fully supports the Premeirs, and is promising more of the same.

    All we are hearing today, the economy is being talked down by the right. The problem is, they are being successful.

  428. It is quite clear that people here are talking out of their arses when it comes to native rehab! Been doing native rehab for decades and could teach people all they need to learn in less than a week on the job.

    A couple of hours walking on the site and plucking leaves/flowers off the exotics for identification purposes and explaining terrain specific eradication techniques puts them in good stead to be productive from day one.

    Had a lot of input into the structure of the proposal. Not overly costly to train team leaders on the job. Couldn’t be bothered going into detail here but I will say my model is heavily biased towards our indigenous brothers and sisters. Re-establishment of the connection would be soul enriching I would expect.

  429. Weed recognition is not the issue here, as the trolls would want it. The issue is Abbott’s policy of a Green Army, a work for the dole scheme, a failed social experiment, being used for the purpose of sequestering carbon, a spurious scientific outcome.

  430. Latest news: Tony Abbott to drive truck from Brisbane to Newcastle.

    This is nthing but a stunt, designed to keep his face in the media.

  431. silkworm.Sums it up. Not feasible, not based on established scientific fact. If it does work, which is dubious, is the most expensive and inefficient way to go,

    Same for their NBN plan, feasible but not the best option, especially in the long run.

    The obsession at balancing the budget, at the expense of everything else, is not feasible and will lead to disaster.

    It is not about what we cannot afford. It is about what we cannot afford to not to do.

    The Productivy Commission is putting forward these changes, as necessary to keep the country moving forward. That is Gonski and NDIS.

    Labor still has room to move within its budget. There is still plenty of upper income rebates and tax concessions that can go. It is just a matter of choice.

    It is about planning for the future. One may argue about the past, but is of little consequences of what is needed for tomorrow.

    .

  432. That is the thing, where is the green army going to come from, volunteers, unemployed, local residents, Abbott has not stated where this army is coming from, as far as I am concerned, Abbott is just talking hot air again and that is all he is capable of.

  433. Ah, someone that would prefer to pay people sit down money where there is no prospect of work. Nice bit of racism. Work for the dole??? What crap you are spinning!

    The details have not been released on the policy as of yet which also involves cooperation by local conservation groups. Your hateful speculation is so far off the mark it is absolutely pathetic!

  434. What are you on scraper.. because I have no idea what you are talking about, and I am sure you do not either, as for the rest of here, they are probably the same on your comments, very wishy washy.

  435. One has to suspect Mr. Abbott’s judgement, when he continues on his merry way with his “great big carbon tax”.

    People are talking about NDIS and lesser extent Gonski.

    I also believe that the boat trade and present treatment of asylum seekers , simmering along just below the surface, and could boil over at any time.

    As for Mr. Hockey, one can only shake one’s head at his comments today. None bear no relation to reality.

    MRRT, a tax on super profits, bring the industry to it;s knees. It is only on super profits.

    Mr. Abbott is now asking to be judged on his record. Being questioned. He is going to be the miracle man. That is what he is saying, I believe. Banks invariably provided full pass through, when he was in Government.

    Will expect him to walk soon. Which he would stop talking, as we are three year olds.

    Asked about that slush fund. His role in preventing the Hansom from destroying his government.

  436. Abbott is now reverting his habit of lying and twisting the truth.

    He is claiming that Labor promised a 80 20 split. Yes, this occurred during the stimulus package. They then reverted back to the 50 50 . Which is generous, as this is not the main highway north. The New England is. The national party demanded this many years ago,

    Talk about pork barrelling.

  437. ‘where is the green army going to come from’

    As the recession bites there will be opportunity for people from all walks of life to get involved.

    The watermelon brigade are expected to play a major part, but those working for the dole could easily swell the number of foot soldiers.

    Even conservation volunteers will be welcome.

  438. Cuppa, just going over the policy that discussed with Greg and I did mention work for the dole as a possible element of the policy. Also found an email dated December 21, 2009.

    “This could be enhanced by rural community input based on the government supply, volunteer planting and maintaining to establishment in conjunction with a feral weed infestation removal strategy or by a work for the dole arrangement which could be considered also for remote Aboriginal communities to break the cycle of non self worth and idleness.

    The government will attack your policy with gusto and I believe it would be prudent to withhold this element of the policy as long as possible from them.”

    It is not Abbott’s policy although he announced it three weeks later because there was serious talk that Rudd was going to call a DD election for March 2010 and the Libs had no policy in place after Turnbull was rolled.

    Rudd squibbed it due to being pressured by Gillard and Swan. The beginning of Rudd’s planned knifing.