Tony Abbott: pride before the fall

It would be anticipated that the prime motivator in making political choices equates with rational analysis of issues; and expressed by virtue of a leader with a vision which best represents the ideals and aspirations of oneself. This then being reflected in both policy and the team which the leader chooses to bring this about.

Certainly there is an element of personality involved with some psychologists hypothesizing that all beliefs, including political ones partly arise from an individual’s psychological fears and needs. At one end of the spectrum there is the desire for stability, order and belonging, and at the other a fervent desire for rebellion and novelty.

Has Tony Abbott been successful in latching onto these elements?

Tony Abbott on “stability, order and belonging”:

Tony Abbott has promised to return Australia to the “golden age” of the Howard government under his “incoming Coalition government”…

The tradition of the Howard government would live on, Mr Abbott declared…

“That’s why the longer this government lasts, the better the Howard government looks and that’s why the Howard government now looks like it created a golden age of prosperity, which is lost.”

Tony Abbott on “rebellion and novelty”:

Interesting is Tony Abbott’s assessment of himself from his boxing career..ego. Although somewhat subdued in recent times, (which can be dated from the series of “get dressed Tony” articles run by the media); this is the way that Tony has attempted to present himself.

TONY ABBOTT: I was very, very nervous, as you can imagine. It was my first formal bout…I got into the ring, determined to hit my opponent harder and more often than he could possibly hit me. I went out like a whirling dervish, kept hitting him again and again and again with just a left, right, succession. And then I got him this magnificent left upper cut and he seemed to go up in the air, across the ring and almost through the ropes.

On the face of it, the answer to the question regarding Abbott as “successful” would appear to be Yes. As the mainstream media has repeatedly insisted: Tony Abbott Is The Most Successful Leader of the Opposition since time immemorial.

At least he was until yesterday.

After wasting countless months attempting to paper over “the real Tony”, the media has suddenly and somewhat amazingly decided that their own polls might just be right. Nobody likes Tony.

“Tony Abbott is increasingly unpopular”, writes Chris Berg.

But it’s not true to say Abbott is the most effective opposition leader in history. The only mark of success in opposition is becoming the government. And Tony Abbott is going to have to change tack if the Coalition wants to remain competitive at the next election.

This dose of realism as compared with the endless blather about Tony Abbott and his startling “success”, is truly refreshing.

Chris Berg adds:

The Coalition has long believed it can win government on an impressionist platform: a few bold, strong strokes (stop the boats, axe the tax, pay back the debt) that, if voters step back and squint, offer a picture of what an Abbott government might look like. Those strokes are looking worn and colourless.

We therefore return to my original statement that the prime motivator in making political choices equates with rational analysis of issues; expressed via a leader with a vision which best represents the ideals and aspirations of oneself.

Michael Gordon’s suggestion is that Abbott’s “dual challenge is to be more positive on the one hand and to be far more disciplined on the other”.

I would suggest that Michael Gordon read the article by Chris Berg.

Gordon is an example of exactly what Berg is stating, that the Liberal Party is offering nothing more than an “impressionist platform” – yet Michael Gordon would, instead of suggesting that Tony Abbott present ideals and aspirations give himself a superficial make-over by becoming positive and disciplined. But that would only be an impression, wouldn’t it…and an insincere one.

224 comments on “Tony Abbott: pride before the fall

  1. There is no question that Tony Abbott is wearing thin with the electorate, apparent by the increasing 9 point gap. Was he ever an option? is the question I would ask. Turnbull, as a pleasantly communicating moderate appeals to small L Liberals and swinging voters. The fact that he was rolled for radicalism within the Liberal party against the wishes of the electorate (people wanted action on climate change) indicates that the neocon radical ideology that dominates the Liberal caucus at the moment has delivered much rhetoric, no talent and little substance. Abbott is a negative experiment that has not worked for the conservatives, he is belligerent, intolerant and far from Prime Ministerial material. Tony Abbott is incapable with all his personal baggage of governing for all Australians. No amount of doorstops to childcare centres with his wife promising subsidised Nannies can change a cracker. No one believes the latest line that he is the victim of a smear campaign after orchestrating and conducting the very same, which essentially defines his leadership as does this photo.

    [IMG] http://www.independentaustralia.net/Wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/AbbottDitchWitch.jpg [/IMG]

    .He is without substance, essentially a fake. Abbott is toast, scorched earth, standby for the grandiose reapplication of the moderate Turnbull brand to neocon conservatism that has enveloped the Liberal party. It all starts tonight on Q&A where Tunbull has been very very popular.

  2. This article was copied form The Daily Derp on 18 November, 2012 at 22:29. You can read the original article here: http://thedailyderp.net/2012/11/19/confirmation-that-libspill-is-on/

    Over the last few months there has been growing speculation that embattled Leader of the Opposition, Tony Abbott is going to get rolled. This has now been confirmed.

    Unfortunately, not an msm article, but I like the way it sounds 😉

    The article from berg is interesting. Is the bleeding obvious finally leaking through, or have they realised that ignoring it further is just adding insult to injury?

  3. Both the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition leave a lot to be desired.
    Quite frankly I dont think either would have been welcome at my weekend BBQ.
    Both suffer from ‘foot in mouth desease’, one seems to go from one catastrophe
    to another on a weekly basis, one seems to lie and cheat a lot and one
    seems to have lots of excess baggage which remains unexplained.
    As for a future President I can think of nothing worse than either in the role.
    Same goes for Fraser, Hawke , Keating or Howard being crowned President
    what a nightmare! Politicians are a breed of their own and should not multiply.

  4. Abbott is a ‘straw man’ with a megaphone. he will be replaced at an opportune moment. (the quid pro quo for his service will likely be elevation to ambassador to Ireland and the Holy See upon retirement)
    The conservative policy vacuum remains but has so far passed without notice. The Liberal leadership will pass from Abbbott’s noise and flashing pan to the flashing pan of his successor’s novelty, a novelty with a shelf-life equivalent to a federal election campaign
    .

  5. Jonathon, welcome. I found it interesting that the only recommendations coming from the msm is that Abbott become something which he has never been…positive and disciplined. I doubt that even the most rusted-ons would consider Tony as having either of those virtues…

  6. Min
    NOVEMBER 19, 2012 @ 9:40 AM
    Cuppa, as my dear old dad would have said..Tony Abbott couldn’t lie straight in bed..

    Another fact that defines Abbott s leadership Min. Accuse of lies whist delivering lies.

    Factless Troll
    NOVEMBER 19, 2012 @ 9:55 AM
    Min, your confirmation bias is showing like an errant petticoat….

    Consistent frivolous, fact devoid posting is a cry for attention

  7. Ricky, I’ve just spotted this link via yourself..says it straight and clear.

    Over the last few months there has been growing speculation that embattled Leader of the Opposition, Tony Abbott is going to get rolled. This has now been confirmed.

    The embattled Abbott’s popularity has been tanking for a long time now causing him to try ever more desperate stunts to try and revive his flagging fortunes.

    His “carbon tax scare campaign has utterly failed.

    His constant attacks on the Prime Minister have made him appear to the voters as a misogynistic, sexist bully.

    He’s even dragged his wife and kids out to spruik for him, which again has been an utter failure.

    The only thing keeping him in his job has been the sycophantic musings of his fans in the Fourth Estate.

    However, the worm has finally turned, and now even the Fourth Estate can see the writing on the wall.

    http://thedailyderp.net/2012/11/19/confirmation-that-libspill-is-on/

  8. Quote Jonathon Weldon: The conservative policy vacuum remains but has so far passed without notice.

    Hypothetically speaking, if the conservatives had policies that were superior to Labor’s (yeah, I know, fat chance of that), the media would be singing them from the rooftops.

    But, because the conservatives are a policy vacuum, the media keep deadly quiet about policy – except to condemn Labor policies.

    They’ve gone over the top with negative spin about the so-called “carbon tax”, but if they bothered to compare it with the conservatives’ sham ‘direct action” conjob, they’d find Labor’s policy is indeed cheaper, more cost-efficient, fairer and will be more effective at lowering carbon outputs.

    Very occasionally someone in the media does pick up on the paucity of conservative policy. But it happens so seldom as to be conspicuous by its rarity. For example, there’s this cartoon by Alan Moir, Sydney Morning Herald, 26 April 2012:

  9. Min @10.32

    thanks for that link, it explains a lot about Abbott’s press stunt this morning.

    at the press stunt he was asked about his personal tanking in the polls. his reply contained the usual, “i don’t comment on polls, however, the polls confirmed how the carbon tax is still unpopular”.

    So Abbott’s response deflecting from his own unpopularity was to say to his party, “the no to carbon tax is still working in the polls , so you better not try and assassinate me” (assassinate being the word of choice in the msm for replacing the leader)

  10. Abbott was in Canberra for the press stunt. why? no HOR until next week, does tony need to talk with bernardi, abetz and other hard right, to keep the party in check?

  11. Min
    No sexism in my comment at all, If you were a bloke then I would have suggested that your confirmation bias was like underpants elastic showing above droopy trousers!

    Show me where I am incorrect in my evaluation of Tony Abbott.

    Your error begins with:
    It would be anticipated that the prime motivator in making political choices equates with rational analysis of issues; and expressed by virtue of a leader with a vision which best represents the ideals and aspirations of oneself</em
    and ends with:
    But that would only be an impression, wouldn’t it…and an insincere one.
    Your problem apart from relying upon the opinion of Chris Berg (who is a card carrying lefty) is that you have an underlying dislike of the Coalition in general and of Tony Abbott in particular and that means that you see only what you want to see and that is a classic case of confirmation bias, and what you leave out of your quotes from Berg is his quite similar criticism of Gillard.

  12. Tony out again, promising miracles in child care.

    As they said, fair wages for the workers not included.

    What Tony is promising, is another rinquiry, then he will make decisons.

    What will be in the mix, is care within the home. In otherwords, nannies.

  13. The Chaser video on Tony Abbott mentioned his “deathstare” when he got caught out by Tony Jones; but it’s Julie Bishop who is known for her deathstare. Julie Bishop is in just as vulnerable as Abbott at the moment, and she looks as if she is about to crack. If there is a leadership spill, she won’t survive as deputy leader, and she knows it.

    When I think of her deathstare, I think of her appearance on QandA when someone in the audience made some comment to her, which got her incensed. It was a gotcha moment, but I couldn’t hear the comment that got her incensed. Does anyone know what that comment was?

  14. Iain, what is wrong with bias, if one believes what they say. Many here simply do not like or have faith in the ideology of the right. The same is true the world over.

    It is our right in a democracy to believe and say so.

  15. Once again, Tony is out, telling us he will let us know what he intends to do after he is elected.

    I am of the belief that Tony is on the way out. We need to be careful, we ,might get out wish in that regard. Who would replace him, could be more frighteng.

    Iain, once again, many words, with little meaning. Yes, the comment can be seen as sexist.

    I have not noticed that Berg is from the left. Where does he work again.

  16. Min
    NOVEMBER 19, 2012 @ 10:32 AM
    Ricky, I’ve just spotted this link via yourself..says it straight and clear.

    That would be Tom R :-)…and Tom R thanks for that.(I reposted it in TAWNBPM is what I think Min was talking about)

    And Yes Min…Sexist, yet he will wrap it in fancy vacuous language claiming a leftie PC feminist. plot…..like Abbott’s doorstop to a preschool it means absolutely nothing.

    Tom R
    NOVEMBER 19, 2012 @ 10:33 AM
    Maybe this why the coalition can afford to have a free chrissie dinner, why the poor old socialists make their members pay?

    That’s the one with the disclaimer stating that breakages have to be paid for, something you wont find around respectful comrades.

    Voyager – Sydney
    NOVEMBER 19, 2012 @ 10:07 AM
    Both the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition leave a lot to be desired.
    Quite frankly I don’t think either would have been welcome at my weekend BBQ.
    Both suffer from ‘foot in mouth disease’,

    Well I know that Prime Minister Gillard would be more than welcome @ our place.
    [IMG]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o310/rickypann/bobnme.jpg[/IMG]

    Not so Abbott, we don’t hang with negative neocons, he would never survive the the truth test. The difference is one has a legacy of important reform and excellent economic management and the other is…errr lying Tony Abbott, who would blame the burning of the steak on the carbon tax.

    Abbott wan not in that Preschool for more than a millisecond before he was bleating out lies about the carbon tax and electricity prices. I’m afraid he would end up on the BBQ at my place.

    .

  17. Min, good article, but I do hope your assessment of Abbotts up-coming demise is somewhat premature, as I have just finished my latest poem which is a bit of an epic on “The Abbotts Christmas Do”, which I was holding off posting until December.

    Maybe I should rethink the timing of the post, as a rewrite would be even more of an epic.

    At least if I post it early, I could possibly write a follow up if circumstances change?

    Oh the humanity! 🙄 🙄

    Cheers 😀 😆 😀

  18. Factless Troll
    NOVEMBER 19, 2012 @ 11:51 AM
    Min
    No sexism in my comment at all, If you were a bloke then I would have suggested that your confirmation bias was like underpants elastic showing above droopy trousers!

    Yeah Bullshit change feet, he seems to be lost in the delusionally unrecoverable 9% vacuum. I love the word Leftie, used like its some kind of slur by anyone with a social conscious who questions Neocon lies and pre school, pre parliamentary inquiry when i’m born to rule despite being despised selling my desperate ass airware.

  19. TSS, I have a feeling that the powers behind the throne will ensure that Abbott takes the Liberals to the next election..T’bull would be far less the puppet on a string, plus a moderate and therefore to be avoided.

  20. Did not see Tony out with the misses this morning. I believe she put her two bits in. Does not the lady only run an occasional Day Care Centre. Why would this make her an expert across the field.

  21. Hey Tom R no problem. You rock mate 🙂
    Email me rickypann@gmail.com and I will send you a link to my records to enjoy. I am very proud of my music and proud to have worked with some of the most amazing talent in the country. Oh sorry, i’m supposed to be humble like Abbott….RIGHT 🙂

  22. So it wasn’t a slip of the tongue. The factless troll really did mean Chris Berg, not someone else.

    Someone who’d say, with straight face, that Berg is “a card carrying lefty”, shouldn’t be taken seriously in anything else they say either.

    Scroll the Trolls.

  23. Chris Berg calls himself a Conservative commentator, but his politics is free-market corporatist libertarian. “Conservative” is not a proper description as that implies an affiliation with the Christian Right.

  24. Min
    it makes the point that most us are often as unaware of our own confirmation bias as we are about, well, “wardrobe malfunctions” and points out that just because I acknowledge your gender in my choice of metaphor it does not mean that I am disparaging you for being a woman as I would have to do to be making a sexist comment. 😉
    Ricky boy

    Yeah Bullshit change feet, he seems to be lost in the delusionally unrecoverable 9% vacuum. I love the word Leftie, used like its some kind of slur by anyone with a social conscious who questions Neocon lies and pre school, pre parliamentary inquiry when i’m born to rule despite being despised selling my desperate ass airware.

    Have you considered trying anger management? Or remedial English classes? You need both 🙄

  25. Another commission. We let you know after you elect me!!!!

    Mr. Abbott can we trust you, to allow that to occur.

    …..Mr Abbott was joined by his wife Margie in making today’s announcement, declaring he wants the commission to take into account the economic benefits of having more women in the workforce.

    He says the inquiry will be broad ranging, and not put things off limits.

    However, the terms of reference make clear that whatever ideas the commission comes up with, they would need to be paid for “within the existing funding parameters”….

    and

    Risky’ policy
    Childcare Minister Kate Ellis has been quick to respond to this morning’s announcement, taking to Twitter to warn voters that trusting Mr Abbott’s strategy was “risky”.

    “Tony Abbott’s child care ‘policy’ – we won’t tell you what we’ll do, or what we’ll cut to fund it, until after election,” Ms Ellis wrote on the social media website.

    She later tweeted: “The only Opposition announcement made on child care today is that they don’t have a policy, won’t have a policy and that all is now uncertain.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-19/abbott-details-proposed-inquiry-into-childcare-costs/4379418

  26. CU
    many studies have found that children really benefit from the care and attention form being raised by their biological parents and it does not make sense to me to make it harder for couples to be obliged both to undertake paid work just so that they can pay someone else to raise their children.

    Better for one of them to dedicate themselves to raising their offspring than having hired help IMHO

  27. Factless troll
    NOVEMBER 19, 2012 @ 12:37 PM
    Min
    it makes the point that most us are often as unaware of our own confirmation bias as we are about, well, “wardrobe malfunctions”

    Blah blah change feet..dig dig dig

    Ricky boy
    Have you considered trying anger management? Or remedial English classes? You need both

    Boy?..Boy? Sorry I have my factless fuckwit filter on…yawn yawn yawn…you attention seeking bore.

  28. But you believe that needs to occur until they reach adulthood. Otherwise how can you claim, your kids benefit from you being at home. At home, even when they spend hours away from the home.

    I have after seventy years and four chlldren, numerous grand and great grand children, seen any harm from good quality care.

    I have seen much harm done to children, from poor parenting. I have also seen these children, when place in day care, improve.

    There is not a single parent on this earth that can meet all the needs of a child.

    The natives had it right, when they said it takes an community to raise a child.

  29. Berg can’t be a lefty as he’s on the ABC all the time.

    Pay that one lol

    Berg writes for Fairfax, what more do I need to say about his place on the political spectrum?

    Then accuses others of ‘ confirmation bias’

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    factless fuckwit

    Trying to work out who you might be referring to there Ricky. Don’t tell me, I’m sure the penny will drop soon 😉

    So, it’s alright here to infer that someone is a ‘fuckwit’?

    ‘factless fuckwit’ cherry picker 😉

  30. By the way, this is about pride before the fall of Mr. Abbott. The childcare announcement is just another of his brain farts without any substance.

  31. Min

    when did you last wear a petticoat? for that matter, when did I?
    can you buy them? or do you have go online or go to one of those specialist shops? and if that petticoat is showing, then probably a lot more is on show too.

  32. scaper…
    NOVEMBER 19, 2012 @ 1:27 PM
    So, it’s alright here to infer that someone is a ‘fuckwit’?

    I don’t infer it I state it, my highly calibrated filter is 100 % tried tested and accurate. As soon as it sees the word “boy” & “Petticoat” the alarm lit up like a christmas tree. Unlike most Neocon “faux sincerity” farce filters, it has an incredible inbuilt tolerance. I have it set to, a hide thickness of 12 inches, a truth factor of 1 (that’s just 1 fact per 50 words), unsubstantiated opinion = + and a high attention seeking bore indication. I’m afraid if their are no facts, it just stays permanently on.

  33. LOL, so writing in Fairfax & doing appearances on ABC automatically makes you “Left of Center” in the weird, alternate universe inhabited by Factless Troll. No doubt this will come as a great surprise to the likes of Gerard Henderson, Peter Reith, Piers Ackerman & Andrew Bolt-all of whom have made frequent appearances on the ABC (& some of whom have written pieces for Fairfax). It will equally come as a shock to the likes of Mike Sketekee, George Megalogenis & Philip Adams because, by Iain’s “faultless logic”, they must be Far Right, as they routinely write for that Right Wing rag called The UnAustralian!

  34. So Abbott’s wife, a child care centre manager, announces Liberal party election policy, which could assist her business. Yet Rudd’s wife had to sell the Australian side of her business, so there could be no assistance!

    Double standard, where is the media on this! Let alone the Coalition.

  35. Sue, I believe that petticoats have disappeared along with corsets, suspender belts, camisole, stockings and garters. Pantyhose seems to be joining the lost brigade. Knee highs are not worn by many.

    One could say, that dresses is rarely seen, especially on the young.

    One needs to open their eyes, look around and note what is worn today.

    Suspect that anyone under thirty might ask “what is a petticoat”?

  36. Sue, I could and maybe wrong, but I suspect that is a community based centre.

    Which as an aside, not many remain today, because of Howard’s policy. They were forced out of existence. One had to look after private enterprise, by removing competition.

  37. scaper

    abbott did, you are correct, no new ideas coming from him.
    the only new idea is get the wife, who the public like, to re-announce the policy.
    they won’t worry about his wife being a beneficiary.

  38. Catching up
    NOVEMBER 19, 2012 @ 2:04 PM
    “confirmation bias ”

    What does it mean.

    Please mate..I just recallibrated…shall I double the hide thickness in anticpation of an explanation delivered in a pettcoat?

  39. And how would a manager of a child care centre benefit? A kickback from the industry?

    There is a difference between being a manager and an owner, you know.

  40. No scaper, he is ignoring that one. He is setting up a new one. Why, I would not know.

    He must not like the results. Did not that one recommended that the wages of staff need to rise. That is a problem that the PM is now struggling with.

    No, I believe he wants to dégularise and bring in a brain fart from the elder Ms. Bishop, of allowing nannies to be hired, A fart from the distance past. Never an original thought.

  41. No scaper, he is ignoring that one. He is setting up a new one. Why, I would not know.

    He must not like the results. Did not that one recommended that the wages of staff need to rise. That is a problem that the PM is now struggling with.

    No, I believe he wants to dégularise and bring in a brain fart from the elder Ms. Bishop, of allowing nannies to be hired, A fart from the distance past. Never an original thought.

    “Wasn’t Abbott talking about child care and seeking a Productivity Commission report over seven months ago?”

    If he was, there would be nothing stopping him from releasing policy before an election.

  42. scaper, that is what I was trying to point out. It is my belief that the wife only manges a community based, occasional day care centre. Could be wrong.

  43. With Tony nothing changes, At least he is consistent.

    …………JUSTIN RICKARD, FAMILY FRIEND: I don’t actually recall ever meeting Tony because he’s a little bit older than me, just a little bit, but I do recall dating his younger sister at university and even in those days Tony was spoken very highly of in his family, with great awe and respect, and the phrase “future PM” was often whispered or should I say yelled around the family table.

    JOHN LYONS: Tony Abbott is fast rising to the top in one area of politics, with Pauline Hanson side-lined and Peter Reith out of the picture, Abbott has become the most controversial politician in Canberra.

    CHERYL KERNOT, SHADOW EMPLOYMENT MINISTER: We all find that his answers contain, in my view, the highest level of personal abuse of anybody in the parliament. He’s made it into an art form.

    TONY ABBOTT: Come on! Show a bit of ticker for once!

    MALE MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT: The PM should be ashamed of himself for supporting this scumbag.

    JOHN LYONS: Abbott’s aggressive style riles the Opposition. His use of phrases like “job snobs” and “ruinism”, his views on working poor and his day-to-day performance in the House are making him a big target.

    TONY ABBOTT: I have done exactly what I promised.

    SPEAKER: Leader of the Opposition, Leader of the Opposition! ……….
    http://sgp1.paddington.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/transcript_882.asp

    And stubborn

    OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott is sticking to his anti-carbon tax message despite a poll showing public opinion towards the policy continuing to soften.
    The latest Nielsen poll, published in Fairfax newspapers on Monday, found 56 per cent of 1400 voters saying the carbon tax and its associated compensation had made no difference to them.
    This is up two points since September and up 19 points since June.
    Asked whether the poll numbers would prompt the opposition to change its tactics on the carbon tax, Mr Abbott said Australians were still opposed to the Labor policy.
    “I think if you are a fair-minded observer, you’d say that there has been a very consistent level of opposition to the carbon tax,” he told reporters in Canberra on Monday.
    “The public understand that this is a tax which will hurt them without hurting the environment.”
    It was a “stupid tax” which would hurt people the longer it lasts.
    “I talk about the carbon tax just about every day because this was a fundamental breach of tryst with the Australian electorate, as well as being a really counter-productive policy,” Mr Abbott said.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/people-still-opposed-to-carbon-tax-abbott/story-e6frfku9-1226519461350#ixzz2CdVjB0mU

  44. Weeks and months passed and the polls were a disaster for a government seemingly lost in its own intestines.

    Then July 1 came and – nothing happened. Despite Barnaby’s predictions, Australians could still afford their roast lamb.

    We know the rest. The polls started to edge back with the ALP still facing defeat, not decimation. Gillard’s approval ratings lifted slowly after she turned attention to education reforms, NDIS, budget management – and the issue of how we benefit from the Asian Century.

    In between she faced the Canberra press gallery on long past – but legitimate – issues of her time as a lawyer.

    That too was another turning point. “I’m here, as long as it takes, give me anything you’ve got and I’ll answer,” was the attitude. Voters agreed with her tactic and her openness and her answers. She was backed by her former employer.

    The current little internal game being played out on the front pages and the tabloid columns about a supposed, maybe, $5,000 cheque paid, perhaps, if my hazy memory serves me right, to Gillard, is called news. The media’s lawyers have made sure the right caveats are added in every story. In reality, it’s a non-news farce.

    Now with just a week of the House of Representatives left this year, the unthinkable has happened. Tony Abbott has become the story for many.

    He’s faced accusations as well of behaviour from a distant past. He’s faced criticism of his political tactics in continuing to focus on the carbon tax. His missteps, authentic or otherwise – standard fare for any opposition leader – are being magnified.

    Twelve months ago an Abbott slip-up may have made page 15 but today it makes page one or three. Commentary has started to focus on the meaning and viability of Opposition policies.

    Abbott is also quietly altering his role and tone, as I pointed out two weeks ago (Abbott’s changing the sermon, November 5). He’s leaving the dirt to others and starting to argue some fresh policy ideas, including the family worrying issue of cyber safety.

    Gillard is preferred prime minister, according to public opinion. Of course, it’s almost inevitable that these results favours the incumbent, according to history.

    And in the past week or so, the ground has settled even more.

    We watched live as Obama was convincingly re-elected, with a resounding delegate victory and a three million popular vote win. The big issues in America were the economy, jobs and fairness for the middle class. He won the female vote, and the vote of minorities and urbanites. He defied Rupert’s urgings. There’s a lesson there.

    Of course, the prime minister’s announcement of a Royal Commission into child sex abuse by state and private institutions has dominated domestic news over the past few days. It showed that governments can do big things, and control the agenda.

    The atheist Gillard has done the right thing. So has the Catholic Tony Abbott with his unequivocal support and early call.

    Australians are horrified at what they are hearing from the Baillieu government’s parliamentary inquiry, ABC current affair programs and elsewhere. Cardinal Pell’s vain and embarrassing self-serving defence of his organisation has alone validated the political decision to proceed with a Royal Commission….

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Gillard-Abbott-Rudd-FWA-PM-Royal-Commission-poll-pd20121118-26EBP?opendocument&src=idp&utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=135529&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary

    Yes, the game has changed. The unthinkable could be occurring.

  45. CU, can you point me to how you believe this is different to his earlier proposal?

    Funny how Gillard did want nothing to do with a Royal Commission the Friday before the much pressured announcement. Would have been prudent to get the terms of reference in place before the announcement as it looks like a brain fart without.

    A shame to get the victims’ hopes up to be dashed because of limited jurisdictional clout by the Feds. Kind of like the NDIS and Gonski announcements. I note that there is a $7B black hole per year in the costings of the NDIS but that’s nothing compared to the real $250B budget black hole they’ve created!

  46. Another brain fart. Sounds good but once again, no substance.

    ………….opinion/analysis
    In my opinion (and yes, I am a parent) there is no real need for Australia to set up a new Federal commissioner to deal with the issue of children’s safety online. The reality is that this is yet another attempt by an Australian Government to control something which is flagrantly impossible to control – the Internet. Even when I was in high school – almost 15 years ago now – everyone knew at that stage that the Internet was a place which the authorities found it hard to deal with, especially authorities important to kids such as teachers, school principals, parents and so on.

    Since that time, things have gotten even further out of control. Sure, it’s possible for the Government to work more closely with social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter in stopping objectionable content from being published online. But attempting to do so is akin to playing a constant game of whack a mole – if one Facebook page with cyber-bullying material is shut down, another one will spring up instantly, and if that page is shut down, perhaps the perpetrators will take to Reddit or one of a thousand other sites – or even a custom-created forum – to do the same thing……..
    http://delimiter.com.au/2012/11/19/coalition-calls-for-kids-e-safety-commissioner/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Delimiter+%28Delimiter%29

  47. scaper, I do not believe the PM said that. Whatever the PM does, you will find fault. If she makes announcement on the spot, you will accuse her of making decisons on the run. If the PM waits and looks at what needs to be done, you accuse her of acting under pressure.

  48. Then why did Gillard dismiss the idea of a Royal Commission just three days before she announced a RC??? I could quite easily…oh, stuff it!

    If Abbott makes (an) announcement on the spot, you will accuse him of making decisons on the run. See, it’s easy to use your own words against you. The difference is I don’t like either, you worship Gillard and your blind hatred of Abbott is so obvious.

  49. Then why did Gillard dismiss the idea of a Royal Commission just three days before she announced a RC?

    Have you got a link to that scaper? I thought that she hadn’t commented on it.

  50. Gillard did not dismiss the idea of a Royal Commission, the thing which she dismissed was that the Royal Commission have a deadline. The numerous quotes state “calls for” a deadline yet no article that I’ve been able to locate specifies exactly where these “calls for” originated.

  51. Spot on. Coalition is best friend that private health insurance has ever had. Agree completely. Whether this is good for health is another question.

    Refuses to answer, whether they will reverse this government actions.

    Still says the wealthy deserve rebates.

    ABC 24

    Pointed out to Dutton, that the rises are still the same as those under Tony Abbott. Went up by more under previous governemnt.

  52. The PM was out of the country and said she would consider all options on her return.

    The Facts with link

    “SABRA LANE: On Friday in Bali, the Prime Minister Julia Gillard was asked if there should be a royal commission into the Catholic Church’s alleged cover ups of child sex abuse.

    JULIA GILLARD: I think, like every other Australian, I’m very concerned about this issue and about the distressing human stories that we continue to hear, what happened to people and what happened to people over a long period of time.

    I haven’t had the opportunity from here in Bali to in detail review the material that is in today’s newspapers and the associated material. I will do that when I return to Australia and if I’ve got something further to say at that point then I’ll say it then.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3630575.htm

  53. Where, who is the shadow Minister for Early childhood and what did that person have to say today about Margie Abbott relaunching Abbott policy.

    Is there a shadow minister? and if so why are they getting shadow minister salary?

  54. If I recall, the argument behind this form of middle class welfare..and of course the Libs use an almost identical argument in their support of private education..is that the public system will be “swamped” if all those $$$$s aren’t given to the wealthy for life’s necessities such as Lomi Lomi massages and cheap gym memberships.

  55. Sue, what an odd Prime Minister..one that would actually like to read factual information and make an informed decision prior to making a formal announcement…

  56. one that would actually like to read factual information and make an informed decision prior to making a formal announcement…

    wishy washy !

  57. Middle class welfare was designed to open people’s purses, more disposable income in the hands of people who don’t need it…means they will spend.

    Its a stimulus package which enshrines the status quo.

    In other news…joolya is upsetting the military.

  58. Middle class welfare was designed to buy votes…

    Wrong there, if more money is given to the less well off they are far more likely to spend it on necessities and to buy locally. This compares with middle class welfare where the $s are far more likely to be spent on buying Ray Bans on EBay.

  59. “Then why did Gillard dismiss the idea of a Royal Commission”

    Would not be that much more came to light, indicating this was the correct way to go.

    That does happen over a few days. Things change. What was being revealed in Victoria change the whole scene. Yes, some people are capable of having a different opinion, when circumstances CHANGED.

    NOW SCAPER, YOUR ARE NOT GOING TO SAY THIS WAS NOT THE CASE.

    Mr, Abbott also changed his attitude, quickly, especially for him.

    It could just be that there is no choice and at last, the right thing is being done.

    I do not believe one will find any conspiracy in this matter.

  60. Sue, the Minster has given an interview. ABC 24 said they were unable to broadcast it. Hours later, still waiting. This never happens to Abbott. Not the first time it has occurred to Labor ministers.

  61. No scaper, the problem with Abbott is not that he makes them on the run.

    The problem is that none of his announcements carry any substance.

    They are little more than brain farts.

  62. We have two policies from the opposition today. No substance in either. We will let you know after the election.

  63. Maybe Margie is the shadow minister. After all, Newman was not in parliament when he led the Coalition when In opposition in Queensland, before the last election in the state.,

  64. ‘where the $s are far more likely to be spent on buying Ray Bans on EBay.’

    Yes, good point, this is probably why both sides want to ditch it.

  65. I saw Gillard on Sky News and she was against it. The pressure was applied by the independents to announce the RC over the weekend. No terms of reference is a brain fart.

  66. Mr. Hockey was just asked. if they are asking us to trust them to get it right. Mr Hockey, we do get it right.

    Mr.Hockey, I believe has had some media lessons. Sound authoritative. Sorry that did not last long back to insults and slogans.

    At last getting asked hard questions. Lyndal Curtis has done herself proud today.

    He definitely has had some tutoring.

    Yep, that is the message, we have to take them on trust, because they always get it right.

    Yep, one cannot trust the PM. We know this, because Mr. Hockey said so.

    ABC 24

  67. The minister has been just on. Appeared to be an abridged version of the PC, which was made many hours ago. Her belief is that the opposition has no policy and that is frightening.

  68. No scaper, no terms of reference at this time is very prudent. It is a very complicated problem with no easy answers. That is why nothing has been successful up till now.

    The poll taken, shows that 95% are happy with the action taken by the PM.. That in itself is amazing.

    It is not wise to turn this into a political bun fight. The only winners will be those who commit criminal acts against children.

  69. I know what I have to say is of little importance and is petty. Why do they not now congratulate the PM on her dress sense and trim figure she is presents with.

  70. ………………Mr Abbott had made no mention of funding and no commitment about existing measures, she said.

    His announcement was ‘terrifying’ as parents did not know whether the childcare benefit would be cut or means tested and had been given ‘zero answers’ about a coalition approach to the issue.

    She said the Labor government had made child care more affordable, more accessible and of higher quality.

    ‘We don’t believe it is our job to shirk our responsibility and instead just call for inquiries and reviews.’

    She said the announcement was further evidence that ‘Tony Abbott is geat with the sound bite, but he is a policy weakling’.

    Earlier, Mr Abbott said the terms of reference for his proposed review included consideration of the hours parents work and study, the needs of regional parents and shift workers, out-of-pocket costs, the availability of rebates and subsidies, and the needs of vulnerable children……………..

    http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/11/19/Childcare_proposal_labelled_terrifying_818033.html

    Do we need nannies, so mothers can be on call around the clock?

  71. Cu @4.41pm..yet another example of the point made by Chris Berg that the Libs have nothing but an impressionist platform, all slogan and little substance.

  72. Gillard’s dress sense and trim figure?? Looks and acts like trailer trash to me. Fat arse, kankles and walks like a duck that has been stuffed alive from the rear.

    Not representative of a lady at all!

  73. No more astounding than some of the shit I’ve read about Abbott here. Liked the one from a few months ago.

    “Abbott should have his tongue cut out.” I doubt that the person would know how to sharpen a knife, “little lone” have the guts to try it on.

  74. scaper, have you ever thought that you might need new glasses and maybe invest in some hearing aids.

    . That could account for you seeing,and hearing what here do,

    As for a faulty memory, I do not know what one can do about that.

    One cannot help the shpe of their ankles, I am afraid.

    Have you developed a belly as you aged, as most do.

    The PM is a fifty old woman, not a teenager..

  75. “We’ve got to realise what the public are saying – the public are starting to put a pox on both houses and they’re starting to ask questions about ‘are we acting like adults?’,” Senator Joyce told reporters in Canberra.

    “Out there … people are just saying ‘we don’t get you people’.

    “As I’ve said before, it’s like Romper Room and it’s not really a political debate.”

    Barnaby Joyce

    Hear hear…

  76. So the media have realised that Abbott is unpopular – as my niece says – well der.

    The interesting thing is Joyce (not to be confused with the clown that runs Qantas) talking up responsibility and leadership while his mate in Queensland is trashing the place.

  77. 2353, Abbott’s unpopularity is about the same as it’s always been and this is in spite of a compliant media who in the majority have done their best to promote “their boy”. At one stage it seemed that if Tony went to the opening of an envelope, there would be the press with cameras ready to record the event. However, it never seemed to matter until recently when the polls started to indicate a much tighter race than the shoo-in for the Liberals previously predicted.

    Also interesting about Barnaby is that after having gone to ground for quite some time he has now made a reappearance criticising both Gillard and his boss Tony Abbott. Conspiracy theory #13533422343333 but might there be an alignment between Turnbull and Joyce with Joyce being offered the Deputy leadership should T’bull take over from Tony…all dependent upon a lower seat possie for Barnaby of course, but he’s been working on it. Also noted is that when J.Bishop’s position is threatened (she is the female version of Old Araldite), then she bounces straight to the nearest person with a camera and a microphone…otherwise she always remains at a discreet distance from anything resembling her own portfolio.

  78. Catching up,

    Being a lady is all about a frame of mind and you and the Prime Minister are of the same mold. This fellow scaper wouldn’t know a lady if he fell over one, not that he ever is likely to do so going by his language.

  79. OMG – so many childish comments and going absolutely nowhere.
    Hope you have studdied new childcare policy and find it to your liking.
    And finally as there are lots of children around watch the extreme foul language
    so often displayed. Women also find foul swearing language offensive and usually
    perpertrated by a misoginast.

  80. sue @3.52 ….”Where, who is the shadow Minister for Early childhood and what did that person have to say today about Margie Abbott relaunching Abbott policy.

    Is there a shadow minister? and if so why are they getting shadow minister salary?”

    Sussan Ley is the shadow minister for early childhood etc….. This may or not be true but have heard before that Sussans in Malcolms camp….. may go some way to why she’s quiet and/or not included 😉 mm, interesting 😀

  81. My concern with Abbott’s child care funding is that he is saying that there will be no additional funding while at the same time he has previously promised to include nannies and au pairs. It would therefore, on the face of it appear to be less money available for those with the most need.

    Any review is of course most welcome, however with no additional funding I cannot see how child care can be made more “flexible” except by making child care workers (already among the lowest paid professionals) work minus penalty rates.

    United Voice, which represents childcare workers, fears any changes could lead to rebate and benefit cuts.

    “There is no new money in this from Mr Abbott,” union spokeswoman Sue Lines told reporters in Sydney.

    “By including nannies or au pairs we are going to make an amount of money stretch even further and the only way that can happen is by making deep cuts to families already using child care through their rebate or their benefit,” she said.

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/childcare-review-will-help-economy-abbott/story-e6frfku9-1226519482066#ixzz2Cm2yExLH

  82. Enjoy the policy? Voyger since when does a stunt using your wife to pad out vacuous rhetoric consisting nothing more than the amazing announcement that Tony Abbott will have an enquiry actually constitute a policy? What a crock.

  83. Ricky, it’s the same as all of Abbott’s other policies..looks good on the surface but it’s all froth and bubble..no money, no substance and doubtless will be quickly pushed aside should Tony Abbott become PM.

  84. What does the resident psychologist make of this?

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/australian-workers-union-scandal-insider-ralph-blewitt-speaks-out/story-fndo28a5-1226519913992

    One may well hypothesise that the belief in stonewalling is intrinsically connected to an individuals psychological fears and needs! Indeed youthful naivety enmeshed with fervent desires for rebellion and novelty may well be destabilising present order and sense of belonging!

  85. “Sussan Ley is the shadow minister for early childhood etc….. “

    On ABC radio news this morning . Did not answer one question. Not one. Was clear that the workers were not gaining any extra money from them. Said should take the matter to FWA.

    What is ignored and she refused to answer is the fact that it was the actions of Mr Costello and Mr Howard that led to this mess.

    There des need t be a review. The results I wold say, would advice the rebate cease, money being paid directly to the centres.

    The answer the shadow minister gave to this, was there was merit in this where there was a build up of bad debts, especially in country areas.

    This is not policy. It is little more than a stunt.
    Mr. Abbott is setting up reviews in all areas.

    Do not forget, he has already said weeks ago, If find when elected there was no money, all will delayed

    I thought government was about finding money for essential infrastructure.

  86. Mr. Blewitt who has been described as a crook, in his own right. The man that Wilson used a puppet. A man that did not seem bright enough to realize he was.

    I did see a comment where he even realised he was out of his debt,

    Wonder who his solicitor is.

    If held shares in the Australian, I would be questioning the money they spend on legal matters.

    I would be surprised if this man can show any light on anything. I would be surprised if he knew or had any comprehension of what was going on at the time.

    The AG recommended at a press conference, announcing the appointment of new judges, that Mr. Brandis, if he has any evidence, take it to the police. The AG, added that she recommend he does not do as in the past, contact police ministers or commissioners.

    All five different areas of discrimination complaint will be under one body. Also extra protection built in against false complaints.

  87. This particular resident psychologist would be more concerned about someone attempting to read something “psychological” into this and attempting to deal in speculation rather than factual information.

  88. Cu, that is excellent news coming from Attorney General Roxon and will end discrimination eg in aged care where same sex life partners have been forced to separate.

  89. Seem all the fiberals have is Turnbull after watching Q and A last night.
    Last night was an exchange between two politicians that are not too far apart politically. I loved Kevin’s comment, your on the wrong side of politics mate, your more left than me….priceless. It was in fact refreshing to see two polititions conceding and having common ground, both disgusted with the current climate.
    Rudd was indeed in fine form…”Tony Abbott is our best asset”…”not a shred of policy”
    Treeman, this old tired chestnut is about to blow…I suspect you stand back and watch the press get peppered with their own shrapnel. Most exclusive,, watch it here first, breaking news stories in the telegraph, like the Australian is like throwing half a sucked lemon into a public swimming pool and calling it lemonade.I suggest that unless PM Gillard has an illegitimate child to Blewit, it will be the most underwhelming story of 2012 as it has been so far..they have frankly Blewit.

  90. Ricky, thank you for that..I unfortunately missed it but I can imagine from your description 2 reasonable people having a reasonable discussion which contrasts absolutely with Abbott and his aggression.

  91. “I’m happy to give her the benefit of the doubt, but we’ve got to hear her side of the story and all we’ve heard so far from the Prime Minister is stonewalling,” the Opposition Leader said.

    Yes, that’s what I was thinking.

  92. When you smell a rat normally the rat is well dead.
    Indeed Ms Gillard has handled the ‘SLAG’ matter very poorly even if she was
    squeaky clean. There is too much of a stink on this one , no matter what it just
    will not go away.
    It certainly would not be considered a positive for her and the
    slightest confirmation of any dishonesty could be catastrophic for Ms Gillard.
    This is really a case of getting your own affairs in order regardless of who is the
    opposition. If there is doubt will she get the Australians vote?

  93. One may well hypothesise that the belief in stonewalling is intrinsically connected to an individuals psychological fears and needs! Indeed youthful naivety enmeshed with fervent desires for rebellion and novelty may well be destabilising present order and sense of belonging…One may also hypothesise that condescension is an attribute of the politically naive…

  94. It would seem to be becoming apparent that Turnbull is not all that far away from making his move…

    Malcolm Turnbull reveals that ‘thousands and thousands of people’ urge him to set up own political party

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/malcolm-turnbull-reveals-that-thousands-and-thousands-of-people-urge-him-to-set-up-own-political-party/story-fndo2dsc-1226519952265

    Mal of course says that he is a faithful Liberal who will carry Tony’s smugglers to the ends of the Earth..so why mention about his ever-increasing popularity which of course contrasts with Tony’s ever-decreasing one.

  95. Abbott run from parliament when Graig Thomson voted with his side.Weeks before saying in parliament the PM should not except his vote. Now things change Senator Bernardi will no longer serve as parliamentary secretary for families and the Opposition leader, but will remain a senator. Will Abbott practice his own preachings.Will he do so? NO! If he had any guts and one face he should sack him from the Liberal Party and not except his vote in the senate.Share this if you agree

  96. I suspect that the reason the PM’s time with Slater & Gordon keeps reappearing in one particular media outlet (it must be added – remember they had a go at the ABC not picking it up) is that a certain political party and a certain media outlet have realised that the “Carbon Tax” FUD campaign has not worked – i.e. the Abbott Family are not living at Kirribilli (they wouldn’t lower themselves to live in The Lodge). So they’ve gone to the cupboard to try another FUD campaign and realised the cupboard was bare.

    The PM actually told Bishop not to go there, and Bishop’s work to delay trials for those dying , valid or not, doesn’t look good – and it’s being reported everywhere. Its pretty to watch another LNP SNAFU in action.

  97. Min, there will be no move by Turnbull in the next year. Your comment is just wayward, wishful speculation.

    I was one of those so called ‘thousands’ that approached Malcolm, late March, 2010. He announced his intention to retire from politics just days after our rather heated email exchange. Doubt that it had much influence on his decision. Luckily he reversed his decision on reflection…would have been Australia’s loss. His loyalty to the Liberals is unwaiving, considering how the spill came about, it is testimony of his character.

    Still keep him posted on the progress of GSC…covering all bases.

  98. scaper, I believe one would not question Mr. Turnbull’s loyalty to the Liberal party. I am not so sure that one can count on a Liberal Members ongoing loyalty to any leader, let alone Mr. Abbott. That would be too much to expect of anyone.

    That loyalty is surely only in place while the leader has the support of his caucus. Leaders of any party only has support while this occurs.

    Some might see their loyalty to the party is best served by removing the sitting leader.

    That is generally the reason, they are deposed. In the name of the good of the party.

    Personally I hope Mr. Abbott remains. In fact I believe he will, because they do not have an apparent alternative they can agree on.

  99. Yes, Agree, the carbon tax , and Mr. Abbott’s desire to rescind it, will weigh the Coalition down in the next election.

    Now the next election will be, in part, a referendum on whether to take it off. Abbott will be promising change.

    …………Fear of the unknown versus the status quo.

    How about people who have shouted in comments on this blog that they’ve never met anyone who doesn’t want Abbott to be prime minister, that Tony’s a popular everyman who middle Australia flocks to, and this idea that he is unpopular is just lefty wishful thinking?

    The Liberal Party doesn’t agree with you. They’ve changed tactics; Abbott now stands above the fray and leaves the snarling to his colleagues. It is a much better look, but must have been a difficult to decision to make because his “aggressive negativity” was a large part of the reason the government was in so much trouble.

    It can’t be long before the penny drops in Liberal HQ that the promise to rescind the “carbon tax” will not be a boon but a hindrance at the next election. …

    http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/mumble/index.php/theaustralian/comments/five_minutes_to_midnight/

  100. It just did not occur. The PM still stands, and will lead this government to the next election.

    Oh, and which clown wrote this in February?

    “It’s almost certain Gillard will be gone by the end of the year, probably much sooner … ‘

    That was me.

    It’s five minutes to midnight. two polls yesterday had the Coalition ahead 53 to 47.

    There’s one more Newspoll House of Representatives sitting week.

    That’s next week.

    http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/mumble/index.php/theaustralian/comments/five_minutes_to_midnight/

  101. Yes, my loyalty is to the Liberal Party. Yes, he did say he would be a part of an Abbott government, if he was elected.

    “I’m committed to the Liberal Party … We don’t always agree but we are a strong, grass roots political party,” the former opposition leader told ABC.

    “We will do great things if we are fortunate enough to be returned to government,” he added.

    http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/406594/20121120/common-party-kevin-rudd-malcolm-turnbull-never.htm#.UKwK2GdF_zL

  102. Scaper and,

    Min, there will be no move by Turnbull in the next year. Your comment is just wayward, wishful speculation.

    You are reading into my personality traits which are generally in short supply, that being wayward and wishful speculation. My opinion is based on long term observation.

    As far as Turnbull, there have been several instances where it was speculated that Turnbull would make a play and most of these instances have been brought about due to statements made by Turnbull himself. Turnbull may or may not have the balls to turn his ambition into reality.

  103. Cu, precisely. Why do the headline grabber of “thousands” wanting him to form his own political party followed by the somewhat feeble backpedal but hey I’m loyal.

  104. Min, yes but to whom does his loyalty lay, Mr. Abbott or the party. They are not necessarily inclusive.

    One has a duty, I believe to get rid of a leader, that is not performing, in the interest of the party.

    That is as the leader is elected by the party, not the electors, as they like to believe.

  105. ….Contemporary understandings of Aboriginality are just as political. We have moved on from describing race in terms of biology and now we cast it in terms of culture. In the past we argued it was Aborigines’ biology that caused their dismal state, and now we argue it is their culture. The common argument goes that Aboriginal culture is ancient and primitive, and cannot be reconciled with modern Western culture.

    It is an argument that again lays the blame for the condition of Aboriginal people as being Aboriginality itself. As colonisers we argue that the conditions of the people we defeated are due to the internal flaws of the victims.

    Even more poignantly, in this framing, if a person gets educated and becomes professionally successful in white terms, they lose their Aboriginality. They are seen as moving away from the traditional way of life and culture. You can be successful in the white world, or you can be Aboriginal. You can’t be both.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/whitefellas-fail-to-grasp-reality-20121120-29o13.html#ixzz2Cpu6YCBR

    I think it is called foot in mouth disease.

  106. Voyager – Sydney
    NOVEMBER 20, 2012 @ 10:50 PM
    mdmonk – i shared it with my dog , just growled a bit, but its a bitch!

    Are Voyger and Scraper trying for a race to the bottom? Congratulations on your new lows, your both below Abbott’s Approval rating with the factless troll…

  107. Min…

    “This particular resident psychologist would be more concerned about someone attempting to read something “psychological” into this and attempting to deal in speculation rather than factual information.”

    Why carry on with the psychology rant then? Lets return to your “original statement that the prime motivator in making political choices equates with rational analysis of issues; expressed via a leader with a vision which best represents the ideals and aspirations of oneself”

    Hoisted on you own petard with that one! Your own dear leader fails on all counts!

  108. Another brain fart by Abbott

    “Opposition Leader Tony Abbott used the controversy to attack the Gillard government’s economic management.

    “It really is disgraceful that a cash-strapped government which is spending money hand over fist on things that shouldn’t be happening … now lacks the money to ensure decent cancer treatment for people who are seriously ill,” he told reporters in Perth.

    But as Ms Plibersek was quick to point out, opposition health spokesman Peter Dutton earlier this year took credit for introducing the price disclosure arrangements in 2007 and said they were “improving the affordability of the PBS”

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/govt-must-reverse-chemo-cut-xenophon/story-e6frfku9-1226520958320#ixzz2Cqafi55K

  109. Yes, Labor should just allow the drug companies to rip them off.

    Suggest the private hospitals do a deal with the drug companies. Plenty of room to move, it seems.

  110. Watch out or you may laugh at the double entendre in this

    “On Wednesday, Ms Bishop said “he understands the way I work”.

    She recalled how, after a particularly nasty question time that left her feeling as if she hadn’t done her job properly, Mr Abbott put his arm around her and offered words of support.

    “He knew in an instant how I was feeling,” she said.

    “A guy who’s got three feisty sisters and three stunning daughters knows how women feel. He’s certainly demonstrated that to me.”

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/abbott-a-hit-with-the-coiffured-wa-ladies/story-e6frfku9-1226521399387#ixzz2Ctct7IA4

  111. We have a Opposition leader that believes one can go to the election, not letting us know what he will do.
    As for the boats that keep coming, what else can Abbott do. The Labor policy at this time, is now the old Pacific Solution.

    Plus we have them being sent back in hundreds, to Sri Lanka.

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has warned the coalition might not be able immediately to introduce some policies and repeal others, such as means testing of the private health insurance rebate, because of budget constraints

    Mr Abbott told business leaders in Perth on Thursday the budget had gone from surpluses of one per cent-plus of gross domestic product to deficits of three per cent-plus.

    ‘So there are lots of things a coalition government would like to do, but the fiscal reality is we won’t be able to do all of them straight away,’ he said.

    ‘We have support for private health insurance in our DNA, and we will restore the policies we know will work,’ he said in response to a question from the audience.

    In his speech, he laid out the vision of a coalition government that would emphasise development.

    ‘I would like to be, should I get the chance, a prime minister that revels in seeing cranes over our cities, who revels seeing bulldozers at work and who revels in seeing water coming from where it flows to where it’s needed,’ he said.

    He reiterated that tax reform would start with repealing the carbon and mining taxes.

    ‘These two taxes which impact so disproportionately on a resource-rich, energy-intensive state as this one will be gone,’ he said.

    ‘There is no country on earth that has ever taxed its way to prosperity.’

    A coalition government would aim to boost labour force participation and productivity, restore the Australian Building and Construction Commission, and address flexibility and militancy problems in the workforce.

    One of its early acts would be to ensure union officials were subject to the same penalties as company directors if they broke the same laws.

    ‘There will be, if I may say so, a level playing field among wrongdoers,’ he said.

    A coalition government would live within its means, cut red tape and have a deeper engagement with Asia.

    He agreed with a questioner that the world remained difficult and dangerous in many places.

    ‘(But) if we keep our economy strong we will be able to afford the military hardware, the armed forces that we need to play our part in defending our country and in working with our allies towards a better world.’

    http://www.skynews.com.au/elements/img/article/638×359/skynews_819235.jpg

  112. All of Abbott’s points – less govt spending, less taxes, more military spending – are straight out of the US Tea Party book.

  113. Tony we have done it virtually your way. It is now time to get on board and put the WHOLE Houston solution into place.

    It is time to stop the arguments that it is Labor’s fault, that Howard had it right. That is of little consequence now.

    It is time to move on from apportion blame, and move onto what may work today.

    There is little difference between a bridging and temporary visa. In fact what Bowen has introduced seems harsher. They cannot bring family under either.

    You also know that Nauru cannot be bought into use with a coat of paint, and some glass. We have all seen the pictures were the termites have devoured all in their path. That is why the Windows have fallen out. To do so within 12 weeks belongs in fantasy land.

    It is time for the politics to be put aside. These are human beings, if you have not noticed.

    …. This problem can only get worse over time. Millions of deposed people are on the move globally, and the hundred of thousands in our region will multiply in number over time.

    That means Australia needs a policy that will resettle growing numbers of refugees here, in an orderly way, in the same way Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia and others are already forced to do. The annual figure of 20,000 must be substantially expanded, and that quota filled with processed refugees, rather than paper-less boat arrivals.

    Perhaps there is a better solution than the Malaysia solution, but the current alternatives won’t do.

    In short, Labor is now taking a thrashing for implementing a policy it doesn’t want, in a pursuit of one it does – and ending up meting out cruelty likely to be worse than that seen during that Howard years.

    But until one of the other parties offers a credible alternative, the parliament, and thousands of refugees, will be stuck in limbo.
    in…..

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Labor-politics-refugees-asylum-seekers-pd20121122-29T5F?OpenDocument&src=sph&src=rot

  114. Lovely cartoon isn’t it, Catching up? I’ve used it myself in my latest effort at http://polliepomes.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/he-gets-a-kick-from-campaign/ for which I wanted to pinch Min’s title about pride going before a fall. Then I saw a brilliant line from briefly at the Poll Bludger and used that instead.

    He Gets a Kick from Campaign!

    Tony Abbott is embattled,
    Clearly he is very rattled.
    Is he about to hit the wall?
    ‘Friends’ and foes await his fall.

    His rivals pledge their loyalty
    To him, as if to royalty,
    Protesting that he is their liege
    While all the time he’s under siege

    Murdoch tells him to persevere.
    News intensifies the smear
    And tales of doings sinister
    In the past of our Prime Minister.

    Abbott, being advised so often
    His pugnacious stance to soften,
    Swaps his daily verbal slaughter
    For photo op with wife or daughter.

    He’s no chauvinist from Hades,
    He says, mingling with the ladies.
    But still he has to hit out hard
    With, “Gillard’s playing the victim card!”

    ‘Victim?’ Is he trying to inflame
    The PM as he did with ‘shame?’
    His popularity’s so low
    Couldn’t he just have let it go?

    But that’s too difficult a lesson
    For him, an addict to aggression.
    From fighting back he can’t refrain.
    Abbott gets a kick from campaign!

  115. Tony intends to cut the number of refugee intake. That will sure help stop the boats. Do agree with him allowing those on bridging visas to work though. That makes sense, saves money and creates less problems from them.

    Tony, by saying they should work, is proving he is only interested in thwarting whatever action the government takes. Is not interested in stopping the boat trade.

    If so, he would agree to putting in place all of the Houston plan.

  116. Patricia, he did try so hard yesterday. Tony’s problem is that he just loves the game of playing dirty. Does not really believe that is not the way to go.

    If one wants to get some idea of at least one on the shadow back bench, watch Annabelle’s Crabbe cooking show from last night. Pyne, along with Vanstone was hilarious.

    It appears to me that there is indeed birds of a feather do group together.

    Those of similar ability and like mind, flocking together.

  117. Not even elected, but the excuse are far out in front.

    …..Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has warned the coalition might not be able immediately to introduce some policies and repeal others, such as means testing of the private health insurance rebate, because of budget constraints.

    Mr Abbott told business leaders in Perth on Thursday the budget had gone from surpluses of one per cent-plus of gross domestic product to deficits of three per cent-plus.

    “So there are lots of things a coalition government would like to do, but the fiscal reality is we won’t be able to do all of them straight away,” he said…..

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Budget-may-delay-my-policies-Abbott-2A5NT?OpenDocument&src=eiw&ir=4

  118. Next election is to be fought on, we are broke and kick a refugee, along with we will demolish everything Labor has put in place.

    Makes for a happy future, one would say.

    AUSTRALIA’S pledge to significantly boost our humanitarian immigration intake will be abandoned to save money if Tony Abbott becomes Prime Minister.

    The Opposition Leader today will announce the policy to save around $1.3 billion over four years. He will make a direct tradeoff between a healthy Budget and an expanded refugee program.

    Mr Abbott will argue the extra expense would not prevent irregular boat arrivals by asylum seekers and that the money would be needed to pay off debt accumulated by the Julia Gillard government.

    The Government has pledged to increase our humanitarian immigration intake from 13,750 a year to 20,000 as part of a bid to encourage asylum seekers to go through official channels to get here.

    Mr Abbott today will make clear he does not believe the measure will reduce the number of asylum seeker boats coming here – and will quote the Government to support his case……………….

    http://www.news.com.au/national/opposition-to-defy-houston-panel-recommendation/story-fncynjr2-1226522269829

  119. If I was a refugee, waiting in Indonesia and heard what Mr. Abbott to say today, I would be on the next boat out. Most have family in this country.

    There would be no hope of that queue being formed. No hope out of the hell.

    Is that Mr Abbott’s intent. Have the numbers began to go down. Suspect that might be the case.

  120. Abbott’s about-face on asylum seekers and his plan to “turn back the planes” has to be his stinkiest brain fart yet.

  121. It’s clear why Abbott does not want to increase refugee intake by plane. He knows it would indeed drastically stop the boats (and this is why the Greens have been pushing it all along), and he doesn’t want that because it would make the government look successful. Abbott wants the boat arrivals to continue because it makes the government look bad. Nothing would make him happier than to have more drownings at sea.

  122. “It’s clear why Abbott does not want to increase refugee intake by plane. He knows it would indeed drastically stop the boats (and this is why the Greens have been pushing it all along), and he doesn’t want that because it would make the government look successful. Abbott wants the boat arrivals to continue because it makes the government look bad. Nothing would make him happier than to have more drownings at sea.”

    What complete and unadulterated rubbish! What the hell are you on?

  123. The right wing trolls are reacting hysterically this afternoon, and it confirms that I am on the money re Abbott’s deviousness.

  124. Silkworm,

    1) Abbott tried (in his usual hamfisted way) to make a “joke” about the Italian cruise ship that went under, with large loss of life. “That’s one boat that did get stopped”.

    2) Wikileaks apparently turned up a document that showed the Coalition welcomed the prospect of more boats carrying asylum seekers as they saw it advantaging themselves politically.

  125. Bottom-of-the-barrel scraper,

    One day perhaps you will learn that it is the RWFs you should be doubting, not people who tell the truth.

    1) The Age, 17 December 2010:

    US cables obtained by WikiLeaks, reported in The Age this week …As for the opposition, the cable traffic quoted a ”key Liberal Party strategist” saying to American diplomats in November last year that the issue was ”fantastic” for the Coalition, with ”the more boats that come the better”.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ugly-debate-brews-20101216-18zkc.html

    2) Laurie Oakes, Adelaide Now, 21 January 2012:

    …Referring to the Costa Concordia – the Italian cruise ship that became a watery grave when it hit rocks and overturned – he said: “Well, that was one boat that did get stopped, wasn’t it?”

    Think about that.

    Eleven bodies had been recovered, 22 passengers and crew – including a five-year-old girl – were still missing, assumed dead, somewhere in the stricken ship.

    And the alternative prime minister of Australia thought it was an appropriate subject for humour.

    He treated the tragedy as a joke in a bid to score domestic political points on asylum seeker policy. It is hard to think of anything grubbier.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/oakes-tony-abbott-just-doesnt-get-it/story-e6freakc-1226249788890

  126. So, who sent the cable and in what context. No proof! The second was pretty grubby and in bad taste but not worse than what I’ve read here, spitoon.

  127. Of course he tells the truth. Only the Murdoch rags lie. Speaking of media…where are the Racist Party supporters going to get their ideological confirmation when Gina buys out Fairfax and the Libs sell off the ABC??

    I know, the Daily Spitoon. HAHAHAHAHAH!

  128. was pretty grubby and in bad taste

    Just admit it, scraper, Abbott is a moron. Only a complete moron would try to make a “joke” about the sinking of a cruise ship while the search was still on for bodies and survivors.

    This is just one of many many gaffes he generates so effortlessly.

    He’s only being left in his position as Opposition Leader for such time as the Liberals “win” weekly opinion polls. Which in itself is no big deal as the manipulation of public opinion is only managed on the back of an obscenely biased “mainstream” media.

    If the media got serious about going after Abbott for his many lies, gaffes and flip flops – to even a quarter of what they do Gillard and did Rudd – his career as OL would be finished in five minutes flat.

    He’s a media welfare case of the highest order.

  129. ….Meanwhile, the Salvation Army has given a relatively positive report of conditions at Australia’s Manus Island detention centre in Papua New Guinea.

    The group is responsible for providing welfare at the centre, as well as at Nauru.

    The Salvation Army’s director of offshore missions, Paul Moulds, has told the ABC radio’s Saturday AM program, the situation on Manus Island is significantly better.

    “I think the children are doing very well. We’ve both educational activities for the adults and for the children, there are some good rooms to do those things in and I think things are much better at this point in time,” he said.

    Topics: community-and-society, immigration, nauru

    First posted 8 hours 6 minutes ago

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-24/red-cross-considers-nauru-monitoring-presence/4390010

    Not all bad, but I assume that Mr, Abbott would be out to make savings in this area as well.

    Would not fit in with Mr. Abbott’s plan to convince us, these are no more than dangerous criminals, out to fleece us, and that the country is so broke, we cannot afford to help them.

    After all, according to him, the country is broke. I wonder what business thinks about the companion to talk down the economy????

  130. THIS WAS THE VICTIM CARD??

    You know what a victim looks like, right? A victim cowers, a victim shuffles to the back of the room. A victim acquieses and deflects. A victim demurs. This is glorious, righteous anger. This is a woman standing up for…

    thehoopla.com.au · Tweet this story

  131. This from Mr No-

    “You will never find from me invocation of a false class war. I will never try to set workers against managers because I understand, in a way I fear the current incumbents do not, that it is only by working together that we are going to generate the prosperity that all Australians have a right to expect. ”

    And from the man who would not address Julia Gillard as PM but has constantly referred to the PM as “she”

    “I think I can say with absolute confidence that you will never find from me any attempt to invoke the gender war against my political opponents. Never, ever will I attempt to say that as a man I have been the victim of powerful forces beyond my control and how dare any that Prime Minister of Australia play the victim card. If there is one thing which marks the current government as utterly unworthy of leading this country, it is the attempt to set one Australian against another for party political advantage.”

    http://australianconservative.com/2012/11/no-class-or-gender-wars-under-a-government-i-lead-abbott-says/

  132. ………..r Abbott said the temporary protection visas will only last until it is safe for people to go back to where they came from.

    ”We must keep control of our borders,” Mr Abbott said. ”We must deny people smugglers a product to sell and the best way ensure that the people smugglers don’t have a product to sell is to deny them the ultimate prize of permanent residency and Australian citizenship.”

    Mr Morrison said that under his bill, asylum seekers who are found to have passed through another country on their way to Australia where their applications could have been assessed will have their application for a permanent visa denied.

    This would hopefully stop asylum seekers ”country shopping” he said.

    ”It is a key element of the tool box which this government removed and we want to put it back on the tool box,” Mr Morrison said.

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/gillard-will-be-grilled-says-abbott-20121124-29zsq.html#ixzz2D7lFh9v1

  133. …….The complete collapse of the Government’s measures to discourage boats loaded with asylum seekers from reaching our shores has the Coalition even more fired up than usual.

    Julia Gillard no longer seems to have any defence against the charge that Labor opened our borders to people smugglers when it dismantled the Howard government’s policies.

    Debate on the issue, less than edifying throughout 2012, can be expected to hit a new level of animosity.

    Even nastier – and certainly more personal – will be clashes over the union slush fund set up almost 20 years ago by Gillard’s then boyfriend, AWU official Bruce Wilson.

    Gillard, a lawyer with Slater & Gordon at the time, provided legal advice.

    Although she denies doing anything wrong, and says she dumped Wilson when evidence of the misappropriation of hundreds of thousands of dollars started to emerge, the affair won’t go away.

    The Opposition has signalled a full-scale onslaught. The PM says it’s a vicious smear campaign. No quarter will be given.

    Add to the mix a frustrated Opposition Leader. Tony Abbott didn’t expect the Government to survive this long in the hung Parliament. Take into account, too, a Prime Minister convinced by the impact of her “sexism and misogyny” speech that steely aggression is the way to political success.

    So we are facing possibly the most poisonous week of a politically poisonous 12 months. But there is a ray of hope for those voters – a big majority, I’d suggest – sick of the aggro and bitterness that characterises politics these days.

    In a Parliament notorious for division, we’re about to see a rare example of bipartisanship, one that involves both the Government and Opposition making compromises.

    On Wednesday, Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin will introduce an Act of Recognition, a symbolic piece of legislation acknowledging Aboriginal people. It is intended as an interim step in the process of building support for a referendum recognising the history and culture of indigenous Australians in the Constitution and removing a section that say,….

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/a-symbolic-piece-of-legislation-acknowledging-aboriginal-people-is-an-antidote-to-the-poison/story-fn56baaq-1226523050921

  134. ” a vicious smear campaign conducted by trolls against this site”
    “Not with much success, I see”

    Wrong on both counts…I’m here for some fun and consider that’s successful because I’ve enjoyed it so much. I suspect Scaper and a couple of others would agree.

    再見

  135. Indeed strange words. What the article does not point out, Mr. Abbott sounded very angry, when saying these words. The PM it appears, has gotten under his skin. Does not appreciate criticism from her.

    It was on his mind in Perth on Thursday in his rather strange lines: ”I can say with absolute confidence that you will never find from me any attempt to invoke the gender war against my political opponents. Never, ever will I attempt to say that as a man I have been the victim of powerful forces beyond my control, and how dare any prime minister of Australia play the victim card.”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/wrapped-in-polls-gillard-defies-the-killing-season-20121124-2a096.html#ixzz2DAnHzQVB

  136. Another blast from the past. Why do they all include some form of violence, that is the question.

    The claim was made yesterday by Unions ACT secretary Kim Sattler at a rally outside the Israeli embassy in Canberra following last week’s fighting in and around Gaza.

    Ms Sattler says in 1974 a group of students wanted to invite a delegation of the Palestine Liberation Organisation to Australia, but Tony Abbott opposed the idea and backers of idea were beaten with rolled up newspapers and umbrellas and spat on.

    http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/11/25/Zionist_Abbott_-_Unions_ACT_Secretary_819907.html

  137. “I can say with absolute confidence that you will never find from me any attempt to invoke the gender war against my political opponents. Never, ever will I attempt to say that as a man I have been the victim of powerful forces beyond my control, and how dare any prime minister of Australia play the victim card.””

    I FORGOT TO SAY, AS A WOMAN, I FIND THIS HIGHLY INSULTING.

    Mr, Abbott might see it as a joke. I do not.

    He has, and I suspect many other men, has missed the point again. Only woman find themselves in this position.

    Men re not the victims of powerful forces against them , just because they are men.

  138. el gordo, I agree. He was dead serious but trying to present what he said as a joke.

    It is also insulting to woman.

    He, along with some men, who have not descended from the dark ages, does not get the point.

    He, or any other man, will never find himself in the same position, as it does not happen to males, because they are males.

  139. sue, that was what pointed out to me, why the comments have been worrying me, since I first seen him at that Leadership forum.

  140. Catching up
    NOVEMBER 25, 2012 @ 10:43 AM

    “el gordo, I agree. He was dead serious but trying to present what he said as a joke. It is also insulting to woman. He, along with some men, who have not descended from the dark ages, does not get the point. He, or any other man, will never find himself in the same position, as it does not happen to males, because they are males”

    BIZARRE! CU What are you on. Way back when i first dropped by I suspected you were typing faster than your brain works. Now i know it!

    “Ms Sattler says in 1974 a group of students wanted to invite a delegation of the Palestine Liberation Organisation to Australia, but Tony Abbott opposed the idea and backers of idea were beaten with rolled up newspapers and umbrellas and spat on”

    Too bad Sattlers credibility is inversely proportionate to her weight.

  141. What has her weigh got to do with it. You have lost me.

    Yes, that comment in that speech was one more example of the lack of understanding of how women feel about the comments he makes, and the jokes he cracks.

    As for the Sattler story, that has been in the public domain before, from other sources.

    I would give her more credit than Mr. Blewitt. I suspect she has more brains as well.

  142. Once again, police investigations found that there was no conspiracy. In fact there was no riot.

    Not that it matters to some.

    People have a tight to their own view, even those on the left.

    Does not mean the story of Abbott’s early says is not true.

  143. “Once again, police investigations found that there was no conspiracy. In fact there was no riot.”

    I haven’t seen a retraction to this piece…http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/video-catches-unionist-kim-sattler-giving-false-abbott-story/story-e6freuzi-1226271220024
    “Filmed by a protester, it captures Unions ACT secretary Kim Sattler passing on a message from Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s former staffer Tony Hodges that Opposition Leader Tony Abbott was just down the road and had just told the press that “the tent embassy should be pulled down”.”

    Besides Sattler has plenty of form.

  144. ….and that constitutes a riot. God help us. There was some slapping on a window,

    There were security men that panicked, bodily pulling the PM through a couple of men, hanging off the steps to let them past.

    Now what you have written, is indeed spin. Spin because it is exaggerated and not based on what happened.

  145. I was watching. That is what I thought at the time. I then made it my business to view as much video of the incident I could find, Did not see anything that amounted to a riot.

    A few angry people, slapping on the window, and then half heartily running after the car.

    No one hurt. No one arrested. No damage. Over in a very short time.

  146. CU heard an interview with Kim Sattler on the radio after the royal commission was announced.
    In the early 90’s she was a youth worker and of course dealt with a lot of abuse cases. In the 90’s they put a submission to the crime commission, in the hope of them taking on an investigation of abuse. for the crime commission to be involved they had to convince the commission that the abuse was in part being done by organised groups. they were unable to convince the crime commission.
    as sattler said on the radio, current cases and evidence presented in victoria tend to prove networks of abusers exist.

    just another side of kim sattler, i thought was worth mentioning.

  147. Sue, I am a little fed up with people who are activist, standing up for a cause, receiving the abuse they do. If one does not agree, one is denigrated.

    What happened that day, was the comments of Mr. Abbott;’s was conveyed to the people, raising, what could be justifiable anger. They went to where the man who made the remarked was. They yell a bit, and slapped the palms of their hands against the glass. No damage was done.

    We still have the right to protest in this country, I believe.

    It seems our visitors are here to shoot messengers. That Mr. Rudd has forty people now, came from Bolt’s show. He had a union rep, putting the boot into Labour and the PM.

    They are terribly thin skinned our visitors, Dish it out, but fall in heap at any criticism or challenge.

    No one knows how tomorrow will go. What will not occur, is the PM to fall in a screaming heap, throwing in the towel. The PM will put up a good fight.

    I believe the PM has to win tomorrow, not because I support her, but the type of politics that Mr. Abbott’s practices need to be destroyed for once and all. Bullying tactics cannot allow to thrive.

    It thwarts good governance. It should not be found in a democracy.

    A government should be elected and expect some respect for the next three years.

    Our politics should not include destroying people to win. We know we have a man that will pursue their opposition to the prison gates. This weekend we have heard from more than one source, the PM should end up in prison.

    It should be fought on ideas and policies.

  148. CU

    Sattler has been an activist for many years in many fields.

    So many greek parachutists around the cafe lately.

    see you tomorrow, cheers.

  149. “I believe the PM has to win tomorrow, not because I support her, but the type of politics that Mr. Abbott’s practices need to be destroyed for once and all. Bullying tactics cannot allow to thrive. It thwarts good governance. It should not be found in a democracy”

    And Gillard’s vitriolic speech on misogyny wasn’t bullying? And the smear and inuendo you lot put on Abbott isn’t that either?

    Problem for the Cafe of whisperers is it’s not good governance being thwarted. It’s the worst government Australia has ever seen being called to account!

  150. “I am a little fed up with people who are activist, standing up for a cause, receiving the abuse they do. If one does not agree, one is denigrated.”

    Denigration is De rigueur at the Cafe of whispering smear and innuendo. It’s everywhere here, not that I read it all but theres bucket loads of it. If you deal it out you must cop it sweet.

  151. Secret photos have been uncovered of units within the LNP – Lies Not Policies Party.

    pic.twitter.com/KVyhnjhH

  152. the worst government Australia has ever seen

    There they go again with that dumbed down Fiberal slogan.

    The hallmark of Lieberal trolls is, when shown to be lying, they come back with the same lie again and again. They last tried that lie here. It was rebutted, so they left it alone for a while, then scurry back with it a day or two later as though nothing ever happened.

    The worst government Australia has ever seen was the Miserable Liberal government of John ‘The Rodent’ Howard.

    Let us recall a sample of the ministerial disasters:

    * Minister Jim Short was forced to resign for failing to divest himself of financial interests in his area of ministerial responsibility.

    * Industry minister John Moore was exposed for his shareholdings in technology investment and share-trading companies.

    * Parliamentary secretary Brian Gibson lost his job because of a conflict of interest.

    * Small business minister Geoff Prosser was running three shopping centres while he was a minister and he was forced to resign. [Geoff Prosser resigned in July 1997 following the disclosure that he was a shopping centre landlord while he was responsible for commercial tenancy provisions of the Trade Practices Act 1975.]

    * Resources minister Warwick Parer had massive share interests in a coalmine and in other resource companies; he stayed, in breach of the ministerial code.

    * Acting minister for communications Peter McGauran forgot that he owned 70 poker machines.

    * Employment services minister Mal Brough promoted training courses which were actually Liberal Party fundraisers.

    * Industry minister Ian Macfarlane was involved in a complex scam to rort GST rebates from Liberal Party fundraisers.

    * Aboriginal affairs minister John Herron kept up his practice as a surgeon, in breach of the code.

    Mr Howard himself was found to be in breach of his own code when he failed to resign as a director of the Menzies Research Centre.

    Mr Howard misled the parliament over meetings he had held with ethanol producer Manildra’s boss – massive Liberal Party donor Dick Honan. It was eventually proved that the meetings did occur, and three weeks later the government increased trade penalties against a Brazilian ethanol producer. And there’s more:

    * Parliamentary secretary Warren Entsch’s concrete company won a massive government contract in breach of the code.

    * Peter Reith was appointed as a consultant to defence contractor Tenix immediately after resigning as defence minister.

    * Health minister Michael Wooldridge signed a $5 million building deal for the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners and days later, after resigning as health minister, was employed by the college as a consultant.

    * Senator Coonan, as Minister for Revenue, avoided paying a land tax. She was then exposed and forced to resign as a registered director of an insurance dispute resolution company operating from her own home.

    * Wilson Tuckey, then Minister for Regional Services, Territories and Local Government, heavied a state police minister on behalf of a family member.

    http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/22/1061529333629.html

    * Parliamentary secretary Bob Woods retired from politics when he was under police investigation for travel rorts.

    * Communication minister Richard Alston’s family trust held Telstra shares.

    * Peter Costello, the Treasurer, appointed Liberal Party megadonor Robert Gerard to the Reserve Bank board despite being told by Mr Gerard that he was involved in a 14-year long tax evasion dispute with the Australian Taxation Office.

    * Three ministers – John Sharp, David Jull and Peter McGauran – were forced to resign as a result of travel rorts involving false claims, mismanagement or cover-ups.

    * Parliamentary secretary Bill Heffernan was forced to resign over fabricated claims against a High Court judge.

    What else have we had over the past 10 years? Ten years of public policy failure. A partial – very partial – list would include:

    * the massive pork-barrelling of the $1 billion Federation Fund program;

    * the scandal over the budget leak about MRI machines;

    * the development of a culture of assumption and denial in DIMIA while Mr Ruddock was minister for immigration, which the Comrie report called failed, catastrophic and dehumanised; the wrongful and scandalous deportation of Australian citizen Vivian Alvarez Solon;

    * the wrongful and scandalous detention of Cornelia Rau at Baxter detention centre;

    * the utter incompetence of veterans’ affairs minister Dana Vale over roadworks at Anzac Cove;

    * the rorting of the $500 million Regional Partnerships program, with massively disproportionate grants being allocated to coalition seats – not to mention the Tumbi Creek and Beaudesert Rail scandals under the same program; and

    * support for the training of scab labour in Dubai to work on the waterfront and the use of dogs and security guards in balaclavas during the waterfront dispute as waterside workers were sacked under the cover of darkness with the loss of all entitlements and, in some cases, personal possessions.

    Of course, the Prime Minister introduced the GST after promising he never, ever would.

    * The Howard government have sponsored many attacks on the independence of the judiciary and the courts, including repeated slurs by Senator Heffernan in this chamber and in Senate estimates.

    * They scrapped the free Commonwealth dental health scheme for low-income people.

    * They put back the cause of reconciliation irrevocably by refusing to say sorry to the stolen generations.

    * They blurred the line between church and state by the disastrous appointment of Archbishop Hollingworth as Governor-General of Australia.

    Within days of coming to office, the Howard government sacked six departmental secretaries and have since politicised the public service so that officials will never offer frank and fearless advice. In fact, the government have encouraged a culture where advice of any kind from a public servant is not welcome.

    * They have increased government staffing of ministers and parliamentary secretaries from 293 when they came to office to 430 now, many paid above the salary range.

    * They cynically manipulated public sentiment about asylum seekers for political advantage.

    * They refused to sign the Kyoto protocol to deal with our greatest global environmental challenge – climate change.

    * They sponsored attacks from the former communications minister Richard Alston and from government backbenchers over alleged ABC bias while making partisan appointments to the ABC board.

    * They introduced draconian industrial legislation to strip away the hard-won rights of Australian workers.

    * They introduced the flawed Pacific solution, which has seen detention centres on Nauru and Manus Island remain open without any detainees.

    * They have allowed an Australian citizen, David Hicks, to be held overseas without charge or trial for more than four years and left him to face a highly flawed tribunal process without making any efforts to ensure he will have a fair trial.

    Then there was the dithering over preferences to One Nation, giving succour, as a result, to Pauline Hanson and tacit approval of her racist views.

    * There was the billion dollar bungling of major defence upgrade and acquisition projects. There was the massive blow-out of $2 billion in the Commonwealth’s consultancies bill.

    * There was the complete fiasco of the family tax benefit debt trap, which has slugged millions of Australian families with over $1.5 billion in debts.

    * There is the fiasco of child-care shortages and the broken promise of the government on the child-care rebate.

    * We have had the Minister for Health and Ageing, Tony Abbott, presiding over private health insurance premium hikes, which have totally absorbed the government rebate.

    * We have had the plunge in bulk-billing rates and the breaking of the health minister’s promise not to increase the Medicare safety net threshold.

    We really have seen 10 years of sleaze, deception and manipulation. We would be here all night if I had time to list every sorry exploit of the Howard government, but I do not. A mere sample includes:

    * National Textiles, the company headed by the Prime Minister’s brother, Stan Howard, which was bailed out by the government to the tune of $4 million;

    * the infamous Peter Reith telecard affair; and

    * the lies and deceit of ‘children overboard’

    Then this nation was committed to war in Iraq on the basis of faulty intelligence about weapons of mass destruction while the government claimed that they were not aiming for regime change in Iraq.

    But when the government’s claims about weapons of mass destruction proved false, of course regime change became the justification for the war in Iraq. Never before has an Australian government sent our troops to war and lied to the Australian people about the reason for doing so.

    We had Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty heavied for doing no more than stating the obvious about the increased terrorist threat in Australia after our involvement in Iraq.

    * We have had public servants and senior defence officers forced to take the blame over the government’s denials about their knowledge of the abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison.

    * We have had an unprecedented amount of public money splurged in advertising campaigns – as the Auditor-General has reported – to promote Liberal Party policies in the lead-up to the last three federal elections when the Howard government was in office.

    * We have even had the government write the name of the Federal Liberal Party into electoral legislation on 33 occasions to strip the Liberal state divisions of public funding. They even now use the parliament for their own dirty factional work.

    Despite the farcical denials that we have heard about Senator Hill’s appointment, he is about to become the 18th former Liberal Party politician to be appointed by the Howard government to a plum diplomatic post.

    Mr Howard perverted the accepted definition of an election promise. He broke promises willy-nilly but just redefined those broken promises as ‘non-core’ promises.

    What about the Nixonian leaking of a classified document to Andrew Bolt in order to politically assassinate its author, Andrew Wilkie, while not vetoing the leaker from contesting a Liberal Party preselection ballot?

    We also had a situation where Mr Howard’s government engineered the sleaziest of deals with a former Labor senator, Mal Colston, to promote Colston to the deputy presidency of the Senate in return for Colston’s vote on crucial legislation. How low can you go? Just recently, we had the unprecedented gagging of public servants before estimates committees.

    Kickbacks to Saddam

    Mr Howard himself, his senior minister, and his entire government have turned a blind eye to kickbacks paid to Saddam Hussein’s regime to ensure wheat sales. At the same time, we had Mr Howard self-righteously proclaiming that Saddam Hussein is a ‘loathsome dictator’. They turned a blind eye to our single-desk wheat exporter, who practically became the banker of the Baath Party in Iraq. Who knows where that money ended up? Who knows what it paid for?

    What we do know is that, under the government’s own terrorist legislation, if someone acts recklessly and funds turn up in the hands of terrorists, the guilty party is subject to life imprisonment. You go to jail and they throw away the keys if you recklessly engage in an action under our terrorism laws where financial resources end up in the hands of a terrorist. Let us see what happens in relation to the Howard government, which has acted as Saddam Hussein’s banker.

    Of course, all these sins mean nothing to the Howard government. After all, how can they repent what they cannot recall? This government, and its hand-picked sycophants, suffers from the worst case of collective amnesia in medical and political history.

    What are the bywords of the Howard government? ‘I cannot recall,’ ‘I don’t recollect,’ ‘I wasn’t informed,’ ‘I can’t remember,’ ‘I have no recollection of that.’

    Best of all, we had Trevor Flugge of AWB fame claiming, as his defence, that he is hard of hearing. It seems to me the whole of this government is hard of hearing. They are certainly deaf to the cries of conscience.

    NOTE: This is an edited excerpt of a parliamentary speech by Senator John Faulkner, 22 March 2006.

  153. Cuppa, a little more than opinion there. A long list of events that occurred and can be substantiated.

    Unlike the ones that we are seeing about PM. List of so called facts, that many are reading their own meanings into.

    A piece of paper, that may have been out on the PM desk by a clerical asking a question. Two words I believe, declined and Julia. Could mean anything. A piece of paper that turned up in the file of the person who was responsible for the carriage of the conveyance of the buying of the house. A form letter from a bank. Could have result from Mr. Blewitt himself, who was dealing with his end, directing the bank to send it to Ms, Gillard, not knowing who was doing the work, assumed the PM was in charged. He was on the other side of the country at the time.

    All assumptions, nothing else.

    I do not like the policies and beliefs of Mr. Abbott. I also believe that Mr. Abbott has the right to his opinions. He should also respect the right and beliefs of others. So should his supporters.

    I do not like Mr.Abbott, but not because of his beliefs.

    I do not like him because of his actions and attitudes. I do not like him because he shows no respect for the views of others, and those who espouse them.

    The real issue in parliament this week should and I believe will be that which deals with asylum seekers.

    Climate change might come a close second, Not with how the PM dealt with a client nearly 20 years ago,

  154. tree, if it upsets you so, why visit. It is not compulsory. I do not visit sites that upset i\or make me unhappy.

    The simple truth is, you are entitled to your opinion, we to ours.

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