Government by shock jock

Supporters of the far right have suggested that Alan Jones and his ilk represent “core values”.  Jones devotees claim, free from constraints (such as good manners) that Jones is best able to represent the views of “average Australians”.

Core values could be described as our assumptions, and our expectations; a value system which we believe ought to be true, not just for ourselves but for others.  These are notions of how we believe people ought to behave, speak and act and could include concepts such as honesty, integrity, equality of opportunity and respect.

Especially dear to the Australian ethos is the ideal of a fair go.

If Alan Jones represents core values, then it is core beliefs of the darker realms me-thinks..the fair go does not exist, but in it’s place is power, denigration and ridicule; anyone daring to put forward a contra opinion “should be taken out and shot!”.

As expressed by Kerryn Williams:

The shock jocks don’t limit their misinformation and fear mongering..they can be heard mouthing off on any controversial issue, particular if there are marginalised or victimised people involved who make easy targets for whipping up prejudice.

Previously there has been the suggestion that there are others pulling Tony Abbott’s strings (Minchin and Howard), with Abbott their more than willing puppet.  However, are we in the future should Tony Abbott ever become prime minister, have Government By Shock Jock?

The above thought might at first glance appear to be an exaggeration, because clearly Jones’ influence could be considered a dwindling one due to his lack of appeal to the younger demographic.

Yet recent statements not just by Jones, but Andrew Bolt also come to mind and both deliberately give the impression that they that they have substantial political influence.  And why not when you have Leader of the Opposition Tony Abbott not only stating that he would repeal s18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, being the Act which secured Bolt’s conviction but of Tony Abbott’s recent statement, as reported by Phillip Coorey:

TONY ABBOTT says he was ”absolutely oblivious” to Alan Jones’s controversial remarks about the Prime Minister’s father when he told the Parliament on Tuesday that the government ”should have already died of shame”.

On this one I am prepared to give Tony Abbott the benefit of the doubt – yes, he could be that stupid, or perhaps devious is a far more apt description.

We therefore have highly vocal, publicity seeking employees of the mainstream media purporting to speak on behalf of “average Australians”, people who attempt to convince all that they are representatives of the “silent majority”: a perception of political influence. Shock jocks decide what the debate will be, the tone of that debate and the conditions under which all might participate in that debate: a perception of personal influence.

One must suspect due to Tony Abbott’s previous responses to Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt, that he is more than willing to use the lowest form of debate in his quest to win at all costs. I would advise Tony Abbott to be careful as the next strings which Jones might decide to pull might be his own.

191 comments on “Government by shock jock

  1. Previously there has been the suggestion that there are others pulling Tony Abbott’s strings (Minchin and Howard), with Abbott their more than willing puppet. However, are we in the future should Tony Abbott ever become prime minister, have Government By Shock Jock?
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    Indeed Migs,
    Abbott would cater to shock jocks, Murdoch empire, Channel Nine…and Gina Rinehart. Just for starters.

    What a lovely democracy…that would be. NOT

    He’s a puppet on a corporate, greedy sods’ chain.

    Top post.

    N’

  2. I read somewhere that Abbott was reading from a script when he said, ‘should have already died of shame’. Far to generous of you Min. He said it and he meant it.

  3. Pell denies being present when rape claims made

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/…/…0121011-27fa8.html

    I KNOW NOTHING…NOTHING

    Sounds like Howard.

    Too many times.

    Best not trial by media…let the investigation continue…presume Pell is innocent until otherwise.

    Provided investigation is not run by Catholic church protecting Lib supporters, interfered with by Lib govt…and a whitewash.

    Like AWB scandal inquiry…complete whitewash.

    And the sexing up of evidence to go to war in Iraq various inquiries. WHITEwash.

    Lot of it goes on.

    We know what they have in common. White old and middle-aged men crusaders.

    TIME FOR A CHANGE

    N’

  4. Do agree with Bernard Keane from Crikey here:

    Where the “don’t get it” criticism of the gallery may have more substance is that a key moment arrived in political debate without being heralded or particularly noticed. The issue of gender in politics has been simmering since Julia Gillard become. The misogynist abuse of her from sections of the Right outside Parliament, whipped along by shock jocks and sections of News Ltd, has drawn increasing attention. But in recent weeks the issue has erupted into a storm, particularly after Alan Jones’ “destroying the joint” comments. Tony Abbott’s decision — yet again showing he refuses to be hobbled by his own previous comments on any issue — to attack the Prime Minister was always going to create a tipping point.

    Never before have gender issues been at the centre of political debate like this. Indeed, the Canberra tradition is to resolutely ignore such issues. Female politicians have, usually silently, endured double standards in how the press treats them. Both sides of politics consigned women to “soft” portfolios involving welfare and social services, with the silent assumption they were incapable of the hard stuff of government, good only for doling out money. Male politicians arrogantly assumed the right to dictate women’s reproductive choices. Attempts to lift the representation of women in Parliament were dismissed as “patronising”.

    Suddenly that’s over. A female Prime Minister has directly, fiercely, attacked her opponent for misogyny, in a way, clearly, that no male politician could ever have done.

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  5. If Jones represents core values. I want to be an outsider. even if it means being a loner.

    I do not want to be a part of that community.

    Me thinks I have no fear of being lonely, I will have plenty of company.

  6. :On this one I am prepared to give Tony Abbott the benefit of the doubt – yes, he could be that stupid, or perhaps devious is a far more apt description.”

    or one that was not even interested enough to ask what Jones had said. Knowing Abbott’s reluctance to read reports or anything else, I suspect I am very near the truth.

  7. I feel that Abbott’s behaviour since the Jones outburst has been one of passive defiance. He has not condemned what Jones said. He only said it was inappropriate. Whatever that means.

    Ms. Bishop has been on the Jones show, earlier this week. Found this out from the Project that mentioned the fact. Nothing in the wider community.

    His used of the word shame, which was used more than once by the way, is another indication of this defiance.

    He is waiting for those in the media, who appear to spend their time promoting Abbott to change the present climate, in their attempts to undermine what the PM has said and done,

    The latest is that she is not genuine in her anger, and that the speech was contrived.

    Nothing has changed. Ms. Bishop stunt in the house today shows that to the truth.

  8. There is a paradigm irreversible shift from terrestrial media. As such you will see the powerbase and relevance of Jones and those like him evaporate. Bear in mind Singleton has a buyback option on his shares which he would duly love to exercise at half price. Jones is neither typical nor at the heart of core values, this is a marketing ploy perpetuated by his brand to sell stuff. The more outrageous he appears, the more he appears to “say what people are thinking” which of course is lies, diatribe and vile propaganda.

  9. Rabbit, I agree..Abbott is either stupid or devious, but probably a combination of both.

    It’s the shock jocks’ tactic and now used by Abbott, say something decidedly “off” then have to apologise for it = DOUBLE the publicity.

  10. Min no matter how much you dislike bolt you can’t really consider him a “shock jock” he never raises his voice in anger on the radio, in fact he as quite mellow tones on air and he is also always polite to his guests and to talk-back callers.

  11. Iain thinks shock jock means the level of their voice or their demeanour. It’s the things they say you ignoramus.Bolt is Iains hero.

  12. I should add, also being very light-on where the truth is concerned. Example is Bolt stating that Larissa Behrendt’s father was German, hence her supposed blonde locks. The truth was that was just one photo of Larissa – her father is of Aboriginal heritage.

  13. Factless Troll: he is also always polite to his guests and to talk-back callers.

    Oh low tones are acceptable when you are lying, disrespectful and criminally negligent. Actually there may be a good point in there somewhere as I do not think the tone of debate could get much lower than Bolt.

  14. Listened to bolt once, turned to a different channel, same with AJ, were truly un-listenable, the reason, the comments were offensive and the people calling in were just as bad, if someone had a different opinion they were abused then cut off. I think that is the reason the Libs go on, just so people can hear there mistruths and agree with them.

  15. I am glad the visitor put up that link, I think it shows just what type of person he is, deliberately offensive, vulgar, etc.

  16. Min the courts proved your point.

    Factless Troll: Hate? I see you are has hate filled as ever.
    “media language degree” aye?

    I can honestly say I don’t hate anyone. Facts are my friends, however I know that Trolls and Bolt “hate” facts. Factless Trolls prefer to waller in the predictive obstinacy of opinion devoid of original thought.

  17. Ricky, followed by the ever faithful Abbott (Tonto to Bolt’s Lone Ranger) generously offering to change racial vilification legislation..just for him.

  18. Min…. Bolt is a disrespectful liar, who peddles hate for profit. Bolt especially hates academics or anyone with qualifications that reveal his tardiness with fact at odds with his “opinion”. His first attempt to copy O’reilly was a pitch to Foxtel in Sydney which was laughed at. Why would they want a broke assed copy when they have the real deal (as repulsive as that is) was the response. He got his start with 10 at the expressed demand of Reinhart despite poor ratings. He is infact very like jones. Self obsessed with his own importance, poorly researched and profoundly disrespectful.

    You may also notice the factless troll never states fact. Just the same old predictable cut and paste from other sources
    You know…”the yawn dance of the factless troll”
    Cntl C……
    Cntl V…….
    Factless opinion.

    Change partner……

    Cntl C……
    Cntl V…….
    factless opinion.

    Dosey Doe.

  19. ” Slang a radio talk-show host who features material that is deliberately offencive,”

    That’s what I said doofus. It was you that said it was the tone and leval.

    A shock jock = Bullshit artist. Spinning the facts again Iain.

    They can also be racist, ha ha and what would Bolt know about that I wonder?

  20. Just for the visitor, this article states that shock jocks are a dying breed

    Shock for the shock jock. Is this the beginning of the end of the political power wielded by the likes of Alan Jones?

    His comments represented a new low. They crossed a line because they were about family, they were personal, offensive and intruded upon a daughter’s grief.

    One of the biggest things this incident reveals is that shock-jock talkback is no longer the powerful political medium it once was. It had its moment and that moment ended in the mid-2000s. Jones’ audience is a demographic of economically working-class, socially conservative, older people. It is literally, a dying audience. It is now one medium among many and one audience among increasingly fragmented media audiences.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/shock-for-the-shock-jock-20121001-26vgp.html

  21. Sexism is being used as an attack weapon. Neither side of Politics will succede
    with this. The most recent gaff being the CFMEU Sydney dinner.
    What we all need to learn from this is very simply to respect women not degrade
    them. We are so over some of the continuing critique and time wasting on shock jocks and comentators.Dont be fooled or distracted from more important issues.

  22. Ms. Bishop might be correct when she says Abbott is not a misogynist, if one takes the narrow meaning of the word. Many do not, they see behaviour that continually denigrate women as also being one.

    We do know that Abbott appears to like, even love many women.

    What is clear, that Abbott does not care for or respect women that are his superior or in positions he believes belong to him.

    The continued undermining the PM with misogynist remarks is no better than if he was. In fact, it is worse.

    Much of the behaviour of the shadow front bench since Abbott took over as Opposition Leader is beyond what is acceptable to many women. The PM has let it be known beyond any doubt she believes it is offensive.

    Ms. Bishop, I have seen you jump up and yell, I find that offensive each time the slightest insult has been aimed at you or your party. It appears you reserve that right for you and your party can say as they please, with no accountability, while the PM must watch every word

    Ms. Bishop, maybe you can explain meowing and using your fist in a clawing manner means. You have been asked to withdraw and cease this behavior on many occasions. What would be your action, if the PM behaved in a similar manner. I am sure you would be jumping to your feet, screaming, I am offended, as you are ought to do,

    Now to the word “she” and I would like to add :her:. Yes it is a legitimate term, that can be used, especially by men to denigrate. You asked what else does one used. I have news for you, there is another word, and in fact is the one that should be used. It is Prime Minister. Sorry that is two words.

    The PM has every reason, as the legitimate PM, to be named by her title. It is not so hard to say the word, Maybe you on the other side of the chamber need to take time out to practice saying it.

    Maybe Mr. Abbott is not a misogynist, but he sure behaves like one. His actions and behaviour is nasty, and design to undermine and denigrated the PM.

    Ms. Bishop you stretch credibility saying he did not see those sign and posters, that he forgot what Mr. Jones said.

    Mr, Abbott has not yet condemned Mr. Jones statement, or the Young Liberals for not responding, All he has said, is that Mr, Jones actions were not appropriate, What does that mean.

    Are terms that come from your side of the house, such as slag, slag bag, harridine, bitch and witch among many acceptable.

    It was Coalition women, mostly from the shadow front bench, that stood proudly on the back of that truck.

    Ms, Bishop, stop trying to defend the indefensible, you do your cause no good, Take some responsibility for your own actions. At times they are not pretty.

    The PM has said clearly, that she finds the behaviour offensive, and it should cease.

    What the PM has objected to, is not fair criticism, as the PM has no problem dealing with that, What the PM has said is that she finds sexist and misogynist remarks offensive, That is her right, as it is of all women.

    Whether he is a misogynist or not is immaterial. He uses their methods and acts like one.

    If Mr. Abbott and his cohorts do not like the label, stop acting like you are.

  23. The difference from the Young Liberals dinner and that of the CFMEU, is that the behaviour was not found acceptable at the time, with all objecting, some walking out. It was condemned by the PM and the government, before it became publish. It has been widely condemned by Labor.

    The only person on the Coalition side, was Mr. Turnbull a week later.In fact they first set out to denied it had occurred.

    The Opposition leader still has not condemned what was said, All he has said, it was inappropriate, whatever that means.

    In fact Mr. Abbott used the excuse when he used similar words, in an attack on the PM, he forgot, or maybe never knew what was said. He added the use of the words might not have been the best course to take.,

    Who is using the sexist or misogynist card, I will leave up to readers,

    I have and I say, no one has heard the PM complain about being criticised, The PM has always been able to deal with any that she gets. Deal with very well at all times.

    The PM seems to welcome criticism, it gives her a chance to correct the record, which she does very well,

    Whatever you call the behaviour is not that important. What is true, it is very nasty and unnecessary behaviour. Behaviour we can all do without.

  24. Cu and,

    What is clear, that Abbott does not care for or respect women that are his superior or in positions he believes belong to him.

    The continued undermining the PM with misogynist remarks is no better than if he was. In fact, it is worse.

    Excellent observation…that is, if Abbott is not a misogynist (and he and his wife and J.Bishop says that he isn’t) then he is using misogynist remarks against female politicians..and deliberately.

  25. I should imagine that Julia Gillard having entered a then male dominated profession and having risen through the ranks of politics, has had more sexist remarks made against her in her time than most of us have had hot breakfasts.

  26. “Shadow attorney-general George Brandis had already called for the Speaker to resign the previous Friday after text massages likening female anatomy to shelled mussels had been read into evidence in the Slipper v Ashby case.”

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/Slipper-meets-a-predictable-end-despite-the-fireworks/

    Have I missed something in the last week, The Slipper assault was only based on what one would at the most, call a school ground smutty joke.

    No wonder Mr. Abbott may a big thing about stating what was actually aid between Slipper and Ashby, who by the way appeared to be two consenting adults.

    I am disappointed that the PM did not keep to reality, as she is wont to do, and put into Hansard the actual words, not the inference that Abbott got away with. Inferences that put forward. I can hear the laughter from many men, and I suspect women, if they knew what exactly was the terrible crimes that Mr. Slipper committed.

    I am sure that conversations go on every day, in the same light. Yes, smutty, not nice and childish comments that one expects most to leave when they become adults.

    Now, I am sure, in fact I have heard women describe men’s anatomy in similar terms. Not nice, smutty, but surely not the crime of the century.

    Have we become so precious, and sensitive that comedian jokes and smut in private are no longer allowed, to be outlawed,

    I would like to say, I have no time for smut, smutty jokes, smutty comedians and pornography. Others see it differently.

    If Mr. Brandis could put it into Hansard, why not the PM and the Opposition Leader.

    It has been much ado about nothing,

    Yes, maybe Slipper had to go. That is not what I am talking about.

    The truth is that the process would soon have made that decision. It did not need political threats and stunts. Stunts that could impose on the court process.

    I suspect that the Opposition have come to the decision that when the Judge brings down his decision, he might throw the matter out of court, on either of two grounds, One, the matter was abuse of the court system, brought on to undermine the Speaker and the government. The other, which the judge is hinting at, the matter is about little of importance.

    The Cabcharge allegations seem to have disappeared into the ether.

    I must have it wrong, as I have seen no one else raised the concerns I have. It is amazing, not one has said, what in the hell is this about.

    I will say very clearly again, I do not condone the behaviour of both men. I do not like what has been said.

    Because I do not like it, does not mean it is a crime or unacceptable by many. If said in public, that would be different, It would be very rude to start with.

    If I have it wrong, what do people believe Mr. Abbott was alluding to, when he said it was so bad, it could not be repeated. I am sure he was inferring it was much worse than comparing a vagina to a mussel in a jar.

  27. Min, and I suspect in those situations from the past, she put the men in their place, Would have had to, to get to where she is.

    No matter how often one is the target of such abuse, one does not have to learn to like it, or accept it.

    As PM she has had to wait until a opportunity came up, to take the abuse head on.

    The PM has, and no longer will she back down.

    Contrary to many, many commentators, she will gain respect for her stand.

    If one does not hit back, one is seen as weak, and loses respect.

    One has no choice but to take the action the PM did.

  28. Tony Abbott has on 2 recent public occasions, shown disrespect for his deputy leader Julie Bishop. First with the promotion of Josh Frydenberg, “now we have someone who knows about foreign affairs”, then the famous “i get women, my chief of staff is the real deputy leader”.
    And yet Julie Bishop lets herself be “used” by Abbott yesterday. To protect Abbott from his own inability to keep his quiet nasty remarks from flowing, Bishop was used to launch another attack on the PM with the latest newspaper story from the 1990’s. The Abbott team had not done any research but had read the newspaper and thought they could once again throw mud at the PM.
    Bishop was used and the PM was able to bundle Bishop off quickly with facts.

    So now we have a pattern of behaviour with Abbott, when in trouble, stand aside and let women, do the clean up. Just comes so naturally for him, no matter how much mess he makes.

  29. CU – I agree, Gillard’s speech has done her no harm at all. She has put personal abuse of any type on notice. Hopefully the trend continues.

  30. I think we all miss the point somewhat in the Gillard – Abbott debate.
    I strongly believe that the Titles: Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition
    do not have a gender and those holding the positions should be treated with
    due respect not gender respect. They have been selected by their peers because they are simply the best and not on any Gender grounds.
    Enough is enough on this very very tiresome subject before some of the silly ones amongst us run off for a sex change!

  31. Enough is enough, the opposition leader should refer to Gillard as Prime Minister not she or her as he launches his debates. So until the opposition leader changes we won’t just move on. I think everyone just finds it tiresome of Abbott to be still carrying on with his 2 year dummy spit.

  32. Voyager, this is a complete straw figure. No one was ever talking about affirmative action or special treatment. It’s about misogyny and the degradation of civility in public debate, and the leading role played by certain politicians and shock jocks like Jones and Bolt. This is a landmark conversation the country is having, and I for one am not tired if it.

  33. Strangely enough, I actually agree with you on this point, Voyager. The thing which so often bothered me about the behaviour of Abbott & his Front Bench has been the way in which they’ve frequently referred to the Prime Minister as “She”, “Her” or even “that woman”-or variations of the same-instead of the usual honorific of “Prime Minister”. This is a serious break from parliamentary convention, & one that I doubt the Coalition would have engaged in had the Prime Minister been a man.

  34. paulwello
    October 11, 2012 @ 8:17 pm

    Listened to bolt once, turned to a different channel, same with AJ, were truly un-listenable, the reason, the comments were offensive and the people calling in were just as bad, if someone had a different opinion they were abused then cut off.

    Talk about a fact free response, you clearly have not listened to Andrew Bolt on air yet you make all kinds of claims about the content try out this stream of his Oct 9 show
    actually listen and then tell us how his radio show is either unreasonable or meets the definition of a “shock jock”

    I think that is the reason the Libs go on, just so people can hear there(sic) mistruths and agree with them.

    Pollies of all flavours want exposure in the media and the Labor Pollies are so frightened of hard questions that they hate going on any show hosted by a conservative.

    paulwello
    October 11, 2012 @ 8:33 pm

    I am glad the visitor put up that link, I think it shows just what type of person he is, deliberately offensive, vulgar, etc.

    I am far from that Paul,I seldom use profanity either in my writing or in the real world and I am eternally polite even in the face of vile personal attacks. Hmm maybe you are projecting Paul 😉


    Ricky Pann
    October 11, 2012 @ 8:43 pm

    Factless Troll: Hate? I see you are has hate filled as ever.
    “media language degree” aye?

    Yes and clearly I’m more competent in rhetoric and argument than you are.

    I can honestly say I don’t hate anyone. Facts are my friends, however I know that Trolls and Bolt “hate” facts. Factless Trolls prefer to waller in the predictive obstinacy of opinion devoid of original thought.

    I don’t for one second believe that you are free of hate. Your comments are dripping with hate. As for “original thought” I am rather sure that the person lacking in that facility is your own good self as your rambling rants at your own blog clearly demonstrate

    Min
    October 11, 2012 @ 8:59 pm

    Ricky, followed by the ever faithful Abbott (Tonto to Bolt’s Lone Ranger) generously offering to change racial vilification legislation..just for him.

    Do you really think that the racial vilification legislation do you really think that it is perfect? come on be honest 😉

    Ricky Pann
    October 11, 2012 @ 9:35 pm

    Min…. Bolt is a disrespectful liar, who peddles hate for profit.

    Citation needed

    Bolt especially hates academics or anyone with qualifications that reveal his tardiness with fact at odds with his “opinion”.

    He may disagree with what academics like Robert Manne but I don’t think that it is about hate at all. Further unlike you Bolt does not genuflect to everyone who has an academic qualification.

    His first attempt to copy O’reilly was a pitch to Foxtel in Sydney which was laughed at. Why would they want a broke assed copy when they have the real deal (as repulsive as that is) was the response. He got his start with 10 at the expressed demand of Reinhart despite poor ratings. He is infact very like jones. Self obsessed with his own importance, poorly researched and profoundly disrespectful.

    Really? the show goes from strength to strength, its good humoured and amusing. As for him being like Jones you are far too biased and probably never listen to either of them which is why your claims about the style and content are so much at odds with the facts.


    P.J.
    October 11, 2012 @ 10:00 pm

    ” Slang a radio talk-show host who features material that is deliberately offensive,”

    That’s what I said doofus. It was you that said it was the tone and level.

    A shock jock = Bullshit artist. Spinning the facts again Iain.

    They can also be racist, ha ha and what would Bolt know about that I wonder?

    Now you are inventing your own definitions!

  35. PM refers to Abbott with his title The Leader of the Opposition. Misandry does not apply. Cannot speak for Julie Bishop, you can ask her what she thought of the Frydenberg and Credlin remarks.

  36. “Really? the show goes from strength to strength”

    Once again, Iain, you demand citations from everyone else, then follow up with claims for which you provide *no* evidence whatsoever. Care to show us the viewing figures that prove this show is going from “strength to strength” as you say? Also, the only people Bolt shows any deference to are those who agree with his opinions-whether or not they have any qualifications, or if those opinions are backed up with fact. We need look no further than his ongoing denial of the evidence for Global Warming & the article for which he was convicted of Racial Vilification to see evidence of this behaviour! Once again, Iain, your only role on this blog appears to be to highlight the ignorance & willful blindness of the Far Right.

  37. Did the visitor say something, as I said, listened once and that was enough. or is the visitor going deaf from listening to the like of Dolt and the AJ’s

  38. “The series debuted with 163,000 while the encore received 123,000 viewers.The debut was narrowly beaten by Insiders, which received 172,000 viewers. Bolt stated on his blog he would like to beat Insiders on which he had appeared for 10 years. He reached this goal in his second episode, reaching 174,000 viewers, beating Insiders with 166,000.

    Ratings for the show declined to 136,000 viewers for the third episode and 131,000 for the encore. This compared to 207,000 for Insiders. The Bolt Report remains at the bottom of the free-to-air ratings for its timeslot.”

    Yep, going from “strength to strength”-if you call being at the bottom a “strength” ;-).

  39. That sounds like thee visitors web site, he says going from strength to strength but doesn’t go anywhere, only ever a few posting.

  40. Visitor said this

    Talk about a fact free response, you clearly have not listened to Andrew Bolt on air yet

    Actually have listened and said changed stations, or cannot you read.

    Also noticed that the visitor has asked us for citations to his responses, that is a laugh coming from him.

  41. Marcus Bob the Builder whops The Bolt Report.

    It is the worst political report show ever and only remains viable because Gina wants it to. If were up to Ten as a commercial decision it would have been scrapped ages ago.

    I believe that Ten give away advertising in Bolt’s time slot.

    The Bolt report was to serve one purpose only, and ratings was never a factor. It’s along the lines of why Murdoch keeps failing print media alive by subsidising with other parts of his business and also giving away hundreds of thousands of free copies of his newspapers.

    The reason is the sound grab or the talking point in the main news bulletins.

    Ltd News continues to achieve this but something from the Bolt Report rarely gets a mention now days.

    Like Jones, Bolt is slowly sinking into the tar pits of extinction, but unlike the dinosaurs he’s akin to his genus and fossil won’t be remembered and will never be dug up by any media archaeological dig in the future. He will become a meaningless and forgotten blip on the political media landscape.

  42. This is a serious break from parliamentary convention, & one that I doubt the Coalition would have engaged in had the Prime Minister been a man.

    The Howardistas went into epileptic fits if any reporter or commentator didn’t give due reference to the office of the PM when Howard was in it.

    In what was a soft and civil interview with Howard by Kerry on ABC there was an outcry because Kerry referred to Howard as Mr Howard instead of Prime Minister Howard.

    There is no doubt those same people who were so upset at the supposed irreverence to the office of the PM are now at the forefront of calling Gillard a she, Juliar and even bitch, but never Prime Minister Gillard.

  43. Visitor here is another definition of shock jock.

    A shock jock is a type of radio broadcaster or disc jockey who entertains listeners or attracts attention using humor and/or melodramatic exaggeration that a notable portion of the listening audience may find offensive. The term is usually used pejoratively to describe provocative or irreverent broadcasters whose mannerisms, statements and actions are typically offensive to many members of the community. It is a popular term, generally not used within the radio industry. A shock jock is considered to be the radio equivalent of the tabloid newspaper, for which entertaining readers is as important as, or more important than, providing factual information.
    Confusingly, the term has been used in two broad (but sometimes overlapping) contexts:
    (1) The radio announcer who deliberately does something outrageous and shocking (e.g., to improve ratings).
    (2) The political radio announcer who has an emotional outburst in response to a controversial government policy decision.

    This is the part I actually like,

    A shock jock is considered to be the radio equivalent of the tabloid newspaper, for which entertaining readers is as important as, or more important than, providing factual information.

    From reading the comments of AJ and the Dolt, and people who follow them, that seems to be the truth.

  44. Factless Troll: Hate? Rambling? strength to strength? Assumptions?
    Folks if this factless troll applied his “forensic analysis” to his own ranting, he may get the “fact” that every response he imposes is “OPINION” as opposed to “FACT”

    Factless Troll: Hate?
    Sorry I stand corrected, I do take exception to trolls who quote only opinion and ‘hate” fact

    Factless Troll: Rambling? …yes Yota I know you’re jealous …yawn

    Factless Troll: Citation needed? High court of Australia, racial vilification act. Using Christopher Monktons bogus inaccurate statistical as fact. Disrespecting Professor Flannery on numerous occasions. Oh and lets not forget the Victorian Supreme Court ruling for defamation of Deputy Chief Magistrate Jelena Popovic

    Factless Troll: strength to strength? yeah thats reflected in the ratings….Not…..104,000 and falling half its initial airing. Bolt is a construct to create an O’reilly market clone.

    Factless Troll: Assumptions? It was two of my written complaints to ACMA that has contributed to the successful prosecution of Jones in contravision of the broadcast act for the third time.

    The factless troll finds Bolt witty and entertaining, what a terrible life he must lead, I feel truly sorry for you. Its little wonder you’re r in here embarrassing yourself with unhealthy obstinate factless diatribe.

    Factless troll = Yawn

  45. “I strongly believe that the Titles: Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition
    do not have a gender and those holding the positions should be treated with
    due respect not gender respect.”

    Agree completely,. Tell me why Mr. Abbott and many that sit behind him, cannot bring themselves to used the title, PM.

    Ms. Bishop asked last night, what does one use, if “she” is off bounds. The answer is clear, the correct title, PM.

    If they went down this track, most would have no complaint.

  46. Martin, it is a conversation we should have been having long ago. it should have begun when Mr. Abbott first took over the role of Opposition Leader.

    It is simply about Abbott using sexism and misogyny comments to undermine and belittle the legitimate PM of this country.

    It is an insult to the people of Australia.

    I have a feeling that the PM was not as upset, as she claimed of the Slipper texts.

    I suspect she used the situation to have grounds to attack Mr. Abbott. They say she has had that speech written for a long time, waiting for the opportunity to used it.

    It is sad that the PM did say it as it is, and repeat what Mr. Brandis had said on the previous Friday, the words that Mr. Abbott said were too shocking to repeat. It is a shame that the PM did not point out, the words were pure smut, not in good taste, but not a hanging offence.

    I do not know what many believe was said between Ashby and Slipper, yes, between consenting adults, long before Ashby was hired, and Slipper became speaker. Yes, and still member of the Liberal Party at the time.

    Tell me truly, how many are really insulted or offended by the comments.
    How many do not agree with the description of Mirabella that day.

    I remember that she took the speaker on in a disgraceful way, before she finally left the chamber.

    Yes, it was smut, adolescent smut at that. I am also sure,I have heard many women over the years describe male appendage in a similar manner.

    Yes, it was not nice, even nasty, but it was in private, communication between two men. Ashby was on the staff at the time of the Mirabella comment.

    Maybe there has been more said, that I have missed, If so, I apologize.

  47. Marcus

    October 12, 2012 @ 10:50 am

    “Really? the show goes from strength to strength”

    Once again, Iain, you demand citations from everyone else, then follow up with claims for which you provide *no* evidence whatsoever.
    Care to show us the viewing figures that prove this show is going from “strength to strength” as you say?

    The program is doing better than you think,check out this report which adds the first airing to the encore which is legitimate because even fans are unlikely to watch it twice so we can assume that different people are watching in the arvo. Further the ratings don’t include you tube views either

    Also, the only people Bolt shows any deference to are those who agree with his opinions-whether or not they have any qualifications, or if those opinions are backed up with fact.

    Bolt is essentially an egalitarian so he does not show great deference to anyone, good manner and politeness however he has a plenty.But as you are probably like Paul Wello and nopt a watcher or a listener I suspect you are actually unfamiliar with what he does on the broadcast media anyway.

    We need look no further than his ongoing denial of the evidence for Global Warming & the article for which he was convicted of Racial Vilification to see evidence of this behaviour!

    Bolt is a sceptic about the theory of Anthropomorphic Global warming as are a great number of very sensible people your use of the term denial shows that you are a true believer in the Green faith and clearly intolerant of any heresy. As for the court case 🙄 it shows the plaintiffs in afar worse light that it shows Bolt.

    Once again, Iain, your only role on this blog appears to be to highlight the ignorance & willful blindness of the Far Right

    My role here is to have a bit of fun and your comments help me do it ;).
    paulwello
    October 12, 2012 @ 10:53 am

    Did the visitor say something, as I said, listened once and that was enough. or is the visitor going deaf from listening to the like of Dolt and the AJ’s

    Well thanks for proving my point Paul, just how can you legitimately judge that which you never listen too? You can’t!!!

    paulwello
    October 12, 2012 @ 11:12 am

    That sounds like thee visitors web site, he says going from strength to strength but doesn’t go anywhere, only ever a few posting.

    Actually Paul my blog has been picking up lately :0)

  48. Misandry, yes, women who hate men. Are you saying that the PM hates men, Where is the evidence for this.

    What I would love, is a word for many women who join men in misogyny abuse.

    Women who have no self pride in being woman, who attack women who see themselves as equal to men.

    Not much written on misandry either. None for the second.

  49. Visitor said this

    Well thanks for proving my point Paul, just how can you legitimately judge that which you never listen too? You can’t!!!

    As I said, once was enough.

    Visitor

    Actually Paul my blog has been picking up lately

    Yes had a look, seen all the sexist remarks about Stef Rice, Kate Ellis and other women. They are truly disgusting.

  50. Möbius, I understand that The Australian is also a lost cause as far as profits go, and it’s not hard to fathom why. It exists purely as a mouthpiece.

  51. Hall every comment you make is your definition of something or other.

    You don’t offer facts on anything. The links you leave at times to try and buttress your diatribe is just more opinion. A fact is, apart from a real event or, something that is known like the sky is blue, or something proven by scientific analysis, is just another opinion.

    That Bolt like your good self is an opinionated know all, is just an opinion, however it is an opinion on this blog that is shared by 99.999 % of its readers. You coming here trying to defend his M.O. makes you behave like the wingnut troll in my opinion and hundreds of other blog commentators you have crossed swords with over the years, by analysis, a fact 🙂

    Be honest Hall are you taking the piss or serious? Enquiring minds want to know.

    .

    .

  52. I still listen to Bolt, but I admit, I am finding it much harder to do so,

    I have heard nothing yet, that one could agree with him on. I definitely do not learn anything from him.

  53. “Bolt is a sceptic about the theory of Anthropomorphic Global warming”.

    Well done for proving you’re a complete & total moron there, Iain. First of all its Anthropogenic Global Warming-if you can’t even get the naming correct, then it’s pretty fair to say you’re completely ignorant of the more than 100 years of scientific research which underpins this SCIENTIFIC THEORY-which is of course what makes it the very antithesis of “Faith”, I have noticed that Denialist Cultists such as yourself do rely extremely heavily on Faith-faith in the words handed down to you by your High Priests (like Monckton) without any question whatsoever. Still, I’d love to see you provide a list of “sensible” people who doubt the science of climate change-because I suspect it would be a very short list.

    Oh, I also notice you use yet another Conservative webpage to pack your position regarding The Bolt Report. Wow, talk about an echo chamber. Your pathetic use of encore screenings to boost Bolts ratings is absolute rubbish for several key reasons

    -(1) It is *false* to claim that many fans don’t watch the show twice-that is just as assumption you’re choosing to make.

    -(2) The Bolt Report numbers you use are compared to only a *single* viewing of Insiders. How do you know, with certainty that encore screenings of Insiders wouldn’t attract a similarly large following? Answer, you don’t, so you’re just making assumptions.

    You see, your approach to boosting Bolt’s “apparent” ratings (using incomplete data to make utterly spurious assumptions & discarding any information that disagrees with your viewpoint) is very similar to the approach used by Right Wing Nuts to deny the evidence of Global Warming.

    Lastly, I have watched parts of some episodes (whilst trying to hold down my bile and vomit) & I have seen two things about Bolt’s show (1) between interviews, its primarily nothing more than one long pro-Coalition rant, (2) his choice of guests is heavily biased towards the Far Right, (3) he treats the rare Center-Left guests he has very differently to those from the Far Right. Though never outright rude, he is incredibly condescending & will tend to talk over the former group.

    Now, Iain, why don’t you crawl back to your troll hole & leave us in peace?

  54. BTW, guys, did anyone else see Abbott get caught out lying about the impacts of the Carbon Price on a “pensioners” electricity bill? Totally hilarious-claiming that 70% of the $800 increase in price was due to the Carbon Price, when in fact almost all of the increase was due to a doubling in the use of electricity (more than 100kwh per day, apparently, which is around 5 times the national average). The frustrating thing, though, is how little coverage this story got in the MSM-especially the fact that the “pensioner” is, in truth, a fairly well-to-do self funded retiree with long-held connections with the Liberal Party.

  55. Yes, read that Marcus, the Liberal party cannot even read a power bill, makes you wonder how they would manage the Australian budget, or do they leave all that to the person who runs the house.

  56. Bolt Report inaccurate with ratings data

    October 3, 2011

    Yesterday Andrew Bolt slipped in a reference to ratings figures that suggested The Bolt Report has more viewers than ABC1′s Insiders.

    “Since The Bolt Report started 22 shows ago we’ve asked more than 50 times for Gillard government ministers for a chat. Gillard, Rudd, Combet, Bowen, Crean… but not one had even though our total audience is often bigger than the ABC’s Insiders,” he said.

    The line about “total audience” is meant to mean the total of the show’s two airings at 10am and 4:30pm on Sundays. By all rights it should really be an average of the two (which is frequently the way the Free to Air sector arrives at averages for Pay TV’s many replays).

    But even adding in the two numbers, the figure is still incorrect.

    Why? Because Insiders plays on both ABC1 and ABC News 24.

    If the total audience for The Bolt Report is the total of its two broadcasts, then ABC is entitled to have their three broadcasts factored in. This is a multichannel landscape after all.

    So adding up all broadcasts of both shows here are the most recent results.

    Sunday 25 September
    9am Insiders ABC1 201,000
    9 am Insiders ABC News 24 33,000
    8pm Insiders ABC News 24 20,000
    Total: 254,000

    10am The Bolt Report TEN 119,000
    4:30pm The Bolt Report Encore 126,000
    Total: 245,000

    Sept 18
    Insiders 239,000
    The Bolt Report 221,00

    Sept 11
    Insiders 236,000
    The Bolt Report 134,000 (one screening)

    Sept 4
    Insiders 276,000
    The Bolt Report 264,000

  57. Iain and,

    Bolt is essentially an egalitarian so he does not show great deference to anyone, good manner and politeness however he has a plenty.

    Except if you are of Aboriginal heritage… 🙄

  58. I definitely do not learn anything from him.

    And that is the main reason he is a ‘shock jock’.

    You only listen to him to re-inforce your perceptions, or to stoke your indignant outrage over whatever particular topic he is outraged about.

    The only other reason is to simply debunk him. But that becomes tiresome after a while. Groundhog day debating.

  59. There are encore showings of Insiders throughout the week.

    I generally watch it on iview (when I could be bothered these days, it really has gone downhill, totally unrelated to dolt, completely related to it’s host)

  60. Carina Garland, 28, a lecturer in gender and cultural studies at the University of Sydney, said ”the term has been defined and redefined through recent history and a modern definition is probably quite synonymous with sexism, or disrespect of women, or of an attitude that it’s OK to discriminate on the basis of female gender”.

    She believes it’s ”used more freely than perhaps 20 or 30 years ago” because of the views and experiences of her generation, ”born after second wave feminism’

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/misogyny-its-still-all-greek-to-male-chauvinists-20121011-27fv3.html

  61. But she cautions against the word being flung around too liberally because, ”depending on people’s views, they can read it as the gender card just being played because the PM is a woman”.

    Robert Brooks, Professor of Evolutionary Biology at the University of New South Wales, also says the term should be used with some restraint.

    ”It is possible for people to abuse words like that and be McCarthyist about it – I don’t think all sexism is misogyny, some is pure ignorance.”

    Having said that, he feels Ms Gillard’s fiery denunciation of Tony Abbott was ”justified” – she had ”had enough and drew a line in the sand”.

    The prominent feminist Anne Summers, who delivered a prophetic lecture several weeks ago titled ”Her rights at work: The political persecution of Australia’s first female Prime Minister”, also believes Ms Gillard was right to push back against sexist denigration.

    ”We used to have an old expression back in the day that was quite useful – male chauvinism. It mightn’t be hatred but it’s the point of view that blokes should run the show.” The term might be ripe for revival, she says.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/misogyny-its-still-all-greek-to-male-chauvinists-20121011-27fv3.html

  62. The PM being condemned for acting in a humane way,

    A senior government source said yesterday both Ms Gillard and chief strategist Anthony Albanese, who came and went as Mr Slipper was talking to the independents, did believe Mr Slipper’s tenure had become untenable.

    But they were cognisant that court proceedings were still under way. They were also mindful Mr Slipper was not coping well and were seeking a dignified exit, rather than have him sacked.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/pms-backers-return-fire-on-snipers-from-rudd-camp-20121011-27frw.html

  63. Wonder how much he will embarrass us with this trip?

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is off to Jakarta where he will recommit the federal coalition to working closely with Indonesia on challenges facing the Asian region.

    Mr Abbott will meet senior Indonesian government officials with his deputy, foreign affairs spokeswoman Julie Bishop, immigration spokesman Scott Morrison and agriculture spokesman John Cobb.

    He is heading to Jakarta for three days of talks after accompanying Prime Minister Julia Gillard on Friday to the 10th anniversary commemoration of the 2002 Bali terror bombing in Bali.

    “I have consistently said that Australia’s foreign policy should have a Jakarta rather than a Geneva focus,” he said in a statement on Friday.

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8547277

  64. PARLIAMENT’S new umpire has come down heavily on Julia Gillard’s side in the week’s gender debate, declaring as “spot on” the Prime Minister’s speech in which she branded Tony Abbott a misogynist.

    Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop condemned what she said was an “outrageous and vile slur” against the Opposition Leader aimed at silencing Mr Abbott as a political opponent.

    But the new Speaker, Anna Burke, said Ms Gillard’s prime ministership had triggered a wave of public and political sexism.

    Days after she was confirmed as Peter Slipper’s replacement in the chair, the Labor MP condemned the tone and subject matter of much of the debate in the current parliament.

    “I think there is obviously some sexism and misogyny that goes on in the parliament, as it does in a lot of workplaces, tragically,” Ms Burke told ABC radio.

    “And I think that one of the disappointing parts about having the first female prime minister is that unfortunately that has brought out the worst in some people in the parliament and some people in the public.

    “Instead of rising and saying `isn’t this a fantastic thing’, it’s brought this tone and tenor of underlying sexism in our country.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/new-speaker-anna-burke-backs-julia-gillard-in-gender-war/story-fn59niix-1226494243940

  65. Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s extraordinary attack on Tony Abbott in Parliament over his alleged sexism has divided 774 listeners this week – but not evenly.
    Mornings host Jon Faine says most of the callers to his program are siding with Gillard – especially if they are women.
    He says this is in disconnect with the way the issue has been reported in the tabloid press.
    The issue of sexism certainly inflames passions – and it’s an issue that doesn’t fall neatly across partisan party lines.

    http://blogs.abc.net.au/victoria/2012/10/talkback-siding-with-julia-gillard-over-tony-abbott-attack-jon-faine.html

  66. There’s been a lot of debate in the media about whether or not Tony Abbott is a misogynist, even extending to an American style intervention by his wife and daughter. You know we’re in trouble in this country when family members, rather than policy, become front and centre in our political debate.
    But where’s the debate about Abbott’s lack of policy detail?
    Our chart of the week is a little unconventional in that it is nothing fancy, just your stock standard utility bill. Except it seems that Tony Abbott, nor his legion of advisers, nor the pensioner whose bill it was, seemed capable of interpreting it properly.
    The failure for Abbott to do even the most simple of analysis on this occasion is in fact illustrative of a much broader problem – his lack of attention to detail.
    Eighty-two-year-old pensioner Hetty Verolme of Perth, received a rather unpleasant shock when she opened her electricity bill for August and found it had gone up by $800, a 70 per cent rise relative to her last bill. She immediately concluded it must be due to the carbon tax and sent it straight through to Tony Abbott’s office in support of his campaign to “axe the tax”.

    http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/abbott-s-problems-go-far-beyond-misogyny?&utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=116473&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary

  67. Tony ‘I’m not a tech head’ Abbott has for the most part got away with this lack of attention to detail because he has largely bent with the winds of the tabloid media in their sensationalist coverage around cost of living pressures. This coverage has been largely rubbish, as any cursory review of the Australian Bureau of Statistics’ inflation data would reveal.
    But Abbott has learnt well from his baptism of fire as press secretary for John Hewson in the unlosable 1993 election; and then Howard’s subsequent success in 1996 with his small target strategy.
    He has been a brilliant opposition leader to date because of his mastery of the Keep It Simple Stupid principle. Abbott knows that the ability to get a message across in the media from opposition is incredibly constrained. Messages must be simple, short, small in number, repeated regularly, and shaped around, not against, the predominant flow of news coverage.
    No point talking about a serious problem if the media aren’t already covering it. And even if something isn’t really a problem, if the media think it is, then just go with it.

    http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/abbott-s-problems-go-far-beyond-misogyny?&utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=116473&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary

  68. Boo hoo.Maybe the organisers didn’t want to be embarrassed by the lack of numbers.

    ‘SUPPORTERS of 2GB broadcaster Alan Jones have cancelled a weekend rally for the shock jock, citing “the sensitive situation”.

    “Due to the sensitive situation with the cyber attack, it would be best to hold off for now on any rallies,” the Consumers & Taxpayers Association Incorporation (CATA) said in a statement.
    Mr Laxale called for laws to be passed which would fine people who participated in online campaigns such as the one mounted against Jones
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/consumers-and-taxpayers-association-incorporation-rally-in-support-of-2gb-broadcaster-alan-jones-cancelled/story-fndo2j43-1226494435242

  69. CU
    the the jon faine video was interesting. 80% of talkback callers and blog comments to his program were for Gillard.

  70. Sue, maybe Mr laxale on free speech, the people who organised these online campaigns have the same rights as to those that are organised by Alan Jones.

    Mr Laxale called for laws to be passed which would fine people who participated in online campaigns such as the one mounted against Jones.

    “What Alan Jones said was not right but some of the 100,000 people on this petition are fictitious,” Mr Laxale said of a Change.org online petition that called for Mr Jones to be sacked.

    He also said the Destroy The Joint social media campaign was a “cyber attack” that threatened free speech and the rights of businesses to choose where they advertise.

    “A number of small businesses have been crippled by their campaign and they are struggling big time,” Mr Laxale said.

  71. Congratulations to you all .
    Your recycling is commendable but becoming extremely boring and totally predictable.
    The weekend is with us – time for a creative new topic please. Next subject
    If it is to be ‘shock jocks’ can we assume it the extreme nature of mens underware?
    Have a really great weekend to all.

  72. “The weekend is with us – time for a creative new topic please. Next subject”

    If you are so concerned, you could always introduce a new topic on Cafe Talk. Always open for new comments.

    The other alternative is to take yourself off to greener pastures. it is not compulsory for anyone to visit or stay on this site.

    Now for another slant on what Mr. Abbott is up to.

    Mr. Abbott is going to stay in Indonesia for three days with his team.

    Fancy being bombarded with Abbott, Morrison and Bishop. Do not know who else is accompanying him.

    I assume he is going to inform the President , that he intends to turn the boats back, regardless of what Indonesia thinks.

    He will also probably begin by informing the Indonesians what a liar and untrustworthy person our PM is, and how he will be able to work with them better.

    Now Mr. Abbott cannot even do this, without turning it into a political bun fight with the PM.

    Wonder what the Indonesians think of Mr. Abbott using them as a political tolls to hit the PM over the head. One generally ans use to leave these battles at home when they travelled overseas. Not Mr. Abbott.

    Mr. Abbott said that the PM needs to focus on Jakarta, not Geneva. .Now, I thought that Labor ministers where scheduled to visit during this parliamentary break,

    I also thought that Labor has negotiations current wit India and Japan.

    Can someone please inform Mr. Abbott that it is possible to deal with ore than one country at a time. In fact it is essential to do so.

    Yes, Indonesia is important. So are other countries in the region. So is what goes on in the rest of the world.

    It is not one or the other. It is all. One has to be able to juggle many things at once, when one is PM.

    From the words that have come out of his mouth, this is another Abbott political stunt.

  73. CU
    i think I read Abbott and team will visit with ‘high’ level indonesian ministers. they didn’t actually mention who, actually not even sure it is with ministers.
    meanwhile back in Canberra Craig Emerson has been in Trade talks discussing education and increasing the quotas on live cattle exports.

  74. Bolt is a sceptic about the theory of Anthropomorphic Global warming

    No, he is not. The correct term is “denier” or “contrarian.”

    your use of the term denial shows that you are a true believer in the Green faith

    That is just idiotic.

  75. On this one I am prepared to give Tony Abbott the benefit of the doubt – yes, he could be that stupid, or perhaps devious is a far more apt description.

    Min, you’re too kind. He did not choose the words that he did out of stupidity. It was out of malice and thee desire to inflict more pain on the PM AND HER FAMILY! People forget that the PM is not the only one mourning her dad.

    Imagine how painful this must also be for the PM’s mum and her sister. It highlights his complete lack of respect and empathy for a family which has only recently lost a much loved member. And he is a serial offender in this regard-remember his inappropriate comments when Margaret Whitlam died.

    Sue @9.22pm, another Rally of Incontinence Inconsequence down the gurgler. Maybe his fans hadn’t recharged the batteries in their gophers.

    paulwello, just how does Mr Laxale know that any of the petitioners are ficticious? After all, Anal has been allowed to lie about, misrepresent, obfuscate, demean, denigrate and threaten the PM and other members of the government without consequence.

    Toughen TFU, Mr Laxale. I’ve got news for you. People are allowed to get up petitions and sign them. I think it’s called democracy.

    If you and Anal don’t like it, I suggest you go and live in a country like Tajikistan-the bloke who runs that joint doesn’t care for democracy either, but I don’t think you’d be too keen on how he deals with problem citizens.

    But on a positive note, I’d put the house on there being no pesky petitions, on or off line.

    Great post, Min.

  76. He will also probably begin by informing the Indonesians what a liar and untrustworthy person our PM is, and how he will be able to work with them better.

    CU, I think the Indonesians are well aware who the liar is in Australian politics and who is the buffoon.

  77. A couple of visitors have said, time to move on. A view not held by the Australian today. It appears all their big guns have articles about how the Gillard whipping of Abbott will (and) or has bounced back badly on the PM.
    Meanwhile over at fairfax, the lead journalists are still pushing their opinion pieces from earlier in the week, even one going so far to claim, “yeah i’m real i’ve got kids and have suffered sexism”. The only dissenting view is that of part time journalist Mike Carlton, who mentions the current court case.
    Rather than move on, we are over it, the ‘Gillard having had enough of Abbott’ is lasting longer than Abbott’s Newspoll reason for the Margie defence. The press gave Tony free political advertising for 3 days. Now because of the egos of journalists hurt by the response to their opinion pieces, Abbott, as he is viewed by women other than his family, has been in the news for 5 days at least.

  78. Tom R:

    You only listen to him to re-inforce your perceptions, or to stoke your indignant outrage over whatever particular topic he is outraged about.

    I believe that’s correct. Jones’ session has been described as the Liberal Party morning meeting. The same could be said of other 2GB sessions.

  79. Mr Laxale called for laws to be passed which would fine people who participated in online campaigns such as the one mounted against Jones

    From Sue’s link last night. That is just laughable. from those claiming about ‘free speech’, attempting to silence their critics lol

    Also read this morning on PB that someone from the IPA (the doyens of free speech) has forbidden his daughters from watching the PM’s 15 minute oration. Mind you, I also am a supporter of restricting graphically violent videos for my younger children, and watching budgies being ripped asunder in that manner might leave a lasting impression on the poor tots 😦

    Hypocrites, the lot.

  80. He did not choose the words that he did out of stupidity.

    The other thing to remember here, is he was reading from a prepared script. It would have been vetted by others. Is the whole party that blindly ignorant?

  81. As I have previously stated I have respect for Sussan Ley as my local MP…. I do not agree with her views …..especially in relation to the ‘rivers’ issues, but am aware that Sussan is a ‘hands on’ MP who has been an active MP in her electorate. With that said I am posting below Sussans response to my email detailing her version of that infamous insightful night. ……. I hope this will clear things up for everyone 😀
    Dear LOVO,
    Thank you for your email. I appreciate you giving me the ‘benefit of the doubt’
    and an opportunity to respond – and apologise for the delay in doing so.
    Yes I attended the event, having been invited to join several (non young liberal) colleagues after a ay of liberal party and portfolio business in Sydney.
    I released a statement once Mr Jones’ remark about the PM was made public.
    I did not hear the comment about the PM’s father but was quick to condemn it
    and have since said, on the record, that it was appalling and I would in no way defend the indefensible,
    Mr Jones, who I had not met previously and whose program I have never
    spoken on started his talk at about 10.15pm. The background noise level was
    high (uni students drinking for 4 hours a significant contributor) and I was very
    tired. My mind simply wandered during the course of an hour long speech.
    I do not think it has been reported that ANYONE laughed at this particular remark although there was general boisterousness in the room. I did not laugh at any
    of the proceedings during an evening where the tone was at times juvenile rather than spiteful.
    No-one who has met and had dealings with me has questioned my response to these events. In a ten year career as an MP I believe I have kept the personal
    out of the political debate, preferring to always play the ball, never the man – or woman.
    I appreciate the distress this remark is likely to have caused the PM and have reflected on that. I have also been surprised at the sheer political opportunism
    of the Government in Parliament this week in using this event to cast aspersions
    on the Leader of the Opposition who was not even there.
    Many people have suggested that I should have walked out; with respect to
    this – I am not a person who walks out. I sat through public meetings where my
    then leader John Howard was called a war criminal (and worse) during the
    Iraq war, where I was accused of having the blood of children on my
    hands (tragedy of refugee boats sinking) and I stood in front of a hall full of angry farmers some of who used sexist and insulting language towards me (AWB single desk debate).
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    I have just been, sorta, defending you on a blog in relation to Anul Jones and his insult to the PM, which I think is digusting…. my defence was “lets hear what she (you) have to say….. that you my have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time??? What say you … , thanks

  82. Sounds fair to me LOVO.

    Listening to jones for that amount of time would put one to sleep. Kinda like Homer listening to the teacher

  83. Another interesting point, is the MSM’s ‘Humpty Dumpty’ defence of ‘their boy’ throughout the week.

    Thus, sexist and misogynist are now in some respects synonymous. Because sexist has been so widely used, apparently misogynist — in the same sense of “prejudice” rather than “hatred” — now carries more force with those who are familiar with the word,” wrote Safire.

    ….

    No, the real indicator of misogyny came in Abbott’s suggestion that women — all women — are unsuited to the public domain and that it was biologically predestined that men should run the show.

    http://www.theglobalmail.org/blog/word-of-the-day/421/

    On a slightly off-topic rant, than god the Global Mail has finally caught up with the rest of the internet and worked out how we all see ‘scrolling’. While horizontal scrolling might be different and ‘edgy’, it sure isn’t conducive to reading.

  84. “Also read this morning on PB that someone from the IPA (the doyens of free speech) has forbidden his daughters from watching the PM’s 15 minute oration. Mind you, I also am a supporter of restricting “

    if there was any evidence that the speech was a powerful one, this is statement.

    The man must be a fool if he believes he can stop a fifteen old from watching anything, good or bad. It is about time this fifteen year old is on the verge of adulthood and needs to learn to make up he own mind. What a sensible father would do, is sit down and explain where the PM is wrong. That would be a scene to see, as I would think he would find it near impossible in finding good reasons to convince his daughter. he would have to tell her the PM is wrong, as she is only a woman. No other explanation I can see.

    Sexism is the use of gender based language. A meaning I heard this morning. Also it was pointed out the\at most leading the assault against the PM, saying that we should get over it, are middle age, mostly white men. Time for them to come into the twenty first century.

    The other issue raised in the ABC 24 segment was by a man. He bought up the new belief that if anyone at a public or maybe private event should walk out if the hear anything that offends their sensibilities. Mostly being pushed by the right, I believe.

    What is wrong with voice their opinions later to the alleged offender or the organizers. Why should one have to make a show of themselves walking out. This is more true, when there are other speakers to follow.

    Maybe Swan, should have as he himself said, made a comment of his feelings before he began his speech. Swan was also the guest speaker. Maybe he should, but how many of us think to do the right thing at the time, most in retrospect come to this awakening, not at the time.

    Now maybe Mr. Abbott is not misogynistic or sexist. That is not the point. The point is that he uses the language and behaviour of those types of people.

  85. Now maybe Mr. Abbott is not misogynistic or sexist.

    A difficult position to defend, but am happy for him to try 😉

    1,111,782 views (and growing)

  86. It must be worrying for Mr. Jones, that he gives a speech to an audience of the party he loves so much, and they do not bother to listen to his words of wisdom.

  87. LOVO, the reply says everything. No simple apology No a letter saying we are not to blame, it is those horrible Labor people and their PM. The PM should have held her hurt to herself.

    It is not the PM that has kept this going, it is women who are offended at how females in positions of power are still being treated.

    Maybe LOVO you can take that message back to the good lady. She is also has no spine, if she believes Mr. Abbott does not act and use sexist language daily within the house.

    It has moved on being about the PM.

  88. Cu, “It must be worrying for Mr. Jones, that he gives a speech to an audience of the party he loves so much, and they do not bother to listen to his words of wisdom”……. especially when Alan seems to be talking directly to people in the room………..as in this part of that screech..:-
    ‘Here we are providing foreign aid in money to countries that are going to spend it on guns when down in MIA they are pulling orange trees out of the ground. Could we harvest the orange trees and use them as foreign aid? So that the farmer gets a bit of a go? So why are we going to continue with this nonsense and Susan well done too you’ve opposed of this rubbish from day one and it’s absolute rubbish.’
    ………..yawn.

  89. “A difficult position to defend, but am happy for him to try”

    Tom, what I am saying whether he is or not is immaterial. What cannot be denied that he uses sexist language. He behaves like one.

    The other thing I would like to add, the word misogynist has a much wider meaning in this day and age, than just the narrow one of hate of women.

    It now takes in the treatment of women. All words and there meanings change over time.

    Whatever, any self respecting women will leave this rest. It is not about a PM. It is about the general treatment of women in powerful positions. As the PM has said, enough is enough.

    If those middle aged, white men out there cannot get that, it is just their bad luck. Things have to change, will change.

  90. What fun the intertubes is.

    After the Liberal party and Tony and Ms Abbott doubled down on the gender wars, Abbott became renowned around the world as a first class chauvinist, thanks to the ‘tubes, no thanks to the Australian MSM.

    And after generally grumpy Paul “Mr Gutter and Mr Sewer” Sheehan scribbled his defence of Abbott, suddenly the pond had American correspondents wondering who this prime arsehat was and drawing the pond’s attention to An Apology To Paul Sheehan, whose number of hits must have gone off the charts.

    That fifteen minutes of fame, at least of a viral meme kind, awaits on the intertubes, knocking at the door. Let it in, let it in …

    Could that prissy poodle Christopher Pyne also achieve international celebrity? What’s that you say, calling Pyne a poodle is sexist?

    http://www.feedly.com/home#my

    Is calling Pyne a poodle sexist. I suspect not. No mention of the word, mincing.

    I would say, the man is the biggest whiner in the house. Never had much to do with poodles, do they whine, yap or bark?

    Some times one get the impression that he is going to break down and cry with frustration. The chair is becoming inclined to ignore him. Suspect few listen to what he has to say.

    What dog would one compare Mr. Abbott to. Maybe those annoying little pekinese that do much yapping and nipping but achieve nothing.

    Any other favourite dog comparison’s. Either side could be in the firing gun.

    Lets have a little fun.

  91. Of course the speaker will now be in those gun sights of the right. She has dared raised the issue of behaviour, that she is responsible for controlling, Cannot have that. A woman speaker should know her place.

    I have this funny feeling that Slipper had to go more for the fact he was a effective speaker, one of the best for generations, than for his battle with Ashby.

    I also suspect, that the new speaker is a woman who is not a push over. Time will tell.

    But okay, the pond will go with it, happily the pond will better it by exclusively reporting on the exclusive report of Phillip Coorey’s Speaker accused of bias over Gillard on what Anna Burke said on ABC radio:

    “One of the disappointing parts about having the first female prime minister is that, unfortunately, that’s brought out the worst in some people in the Parliament and some people in the public,” Ms Burke said. ”It’s brought this tone and tenor of underlying sexism in our country and I think we need to be rising above it and I think the Prime Minster’s speech this week was pretty spot on.”

    Naturally this sent fusspot Pyne into a poodle frenzy, as he sniffed bias and was outraged, and he forced Burke to back down. Speaking the truth is a danger in politics, especially when the political thought police, prissy fusspots that they are, are on the prowl …
    http://www.feedly.com/home#my

  92. This is why it is not going to go away.

    Most women watching Julia Gillard’s speech to Parliament last Tuesday would have felt that silent cheer.

    If you forgot the context, didn’t over-scrutinise the substance and just saw a powerful woman calling out sexism and saying she had had enough, it was arresting.

    Any woman who has ever been put down, talked over, dismissed, demeaned, overlooked or derided – in ways a male colleague would never be – was probably transfixed.

    And let’s face it, that’s most women, except for the very fortunate columnist Judith Sloan, who wrote this week that she had not encountered any sexism in her entire career………..

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/pms-speech-did-stir-hearts-but-remember-the-context-20121012-27i1h.html

  93. Carlton spoke about his aged mother before he wrote this.

    Could it be, that he was bought up by only his mother since he was five, that he does not see women as many other men do, and I am sad to say, some women.

    …..EVERY time you think Tony Abbott has scaled a new height of hypocrisy he finds another Everest and climbs effortlessly to a still higher peak. Without oxygen.

    His motion to dismiss the Speaker on Tuesday was mired in cant. It had nothing to do with Peter Slipper’s lewd text messages and everything to do with Abbott’s lust for power. This is the man who famously told the independent MP Tony Windsor that he would do anything but “sell my arse” to become prime minister and, ever since, has shown every sign that he meant it.

    Abbott was prepared to trash parliamentary convention and the presumption of innocence before the law in his rush to wedge the government if he could. A vote to overthrow a speaker has never happened before. (Jim Cope, Gough Whitlam’s first speaker, resigned in 1975 when he knew he had lost the confidence of the government.) But to hell with principle. So ambitious was Abbott, so ruthless, that the friend whose wedding he’d attended, whose counsel he had sought, a man chosen nine times as a Liberal candidate – was now to be collateral damage, so much cat’s meat.

    The Tories and their media claque howled blue murder when the government backed the Speaker in the vote but, repugnant though it was, it was the proper thing to do. Julia Gillard and her women ministers, especially, were clearly offended by Slipper’s adolescent grot. But their support on the floor of the house recognised that the allegations against him remain untested while allowing space for him and his family to cling to some shred of dignity in his resignation.

    In this they were helped – and the Parliament and the nation were helped – by Windsor and his fellow crossbencher Rob Oakeshott who, with typical tact and decency, privately convinced Slipper it was time to quit. Then, piling yet more humbug upon hypocrisy, Abbott announced he would be only too pleased to accept the wretched man’s vote.

    The Prime Minister’s speech skewering Abbott for his sexism and misogyny was a ripper, rightly applauded around the world. Nice to see the Real Julia come out fighting………….

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/oh-for-a-glimpse-of-the-mum-i-knew-20121012-27i0m.html

  94. The response to my column last week was astounding, far and away the biggest I have had. There were nearly 1000 emails, more than 1250 tweets and 10,000-plus Facebook recommends, all but a handful expressing revulsion at Alan Jones’s bullying presence on radio. A lot also went for Ray Hadley, Jones’s 2GB partner in grime and a former taxi-driver newly famous as a teenage party host. Thank you, but I simply cannot reply to you all.

    The Parrot’s chief concern seemed to be the loss of the Benz, a mortal insult. “You big hero … you absolutely gutless wonder!” he snarled at the Mercedes executive who had revealed the decision. That done, he ranted about the “cyber-terrorism” which has seen his advertisers heading for the exits. You cannot parody this idiocy.

    The only surprise was that Mercedes was ever a Jones sponsor. His audience, top heavy with elderly pensioners and retirees, is not in the market for German limos. Nor do they buy a lot of Freedom furniture, fine wine or ritzy gym memberships. They do shop at Harvey Norman but only to replace the burnt-out toaster, not to get the home theatre system.

    Radio ratings are little understood, but Jones is actually number three in what counts most to advertisers: cumulative audience, or cumes. These measure how many people listen to a program for a quarter of an hour or more. The latest Sydney ratings survey gave him a cume of 442,000 listeners – easily beaten by ABC 702 with 464,000 at breakfast, and 2DayFM with a whopping 584,000 people.

    Not a good look, that. I wouldn’t be surprised if he quit by Christmas.

    *With thanks to Janis Joplin.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/oh-for-a-glimpse-of-the-mum-i-knew-20121012-27i0m.html

  95. So there was the ABC’s uber-interviewer, Tony Jones, on Lateline Thursday night, bumping on and on and on in the same stupid rut as all the rest of them, as he interviewed Treasurer Wayne Swan. Did he accept Julia Gillard’s assertion that Tony Abbott was “a misogynist, a woman-hater?” he asked.
    Then, after getting an answer, he asked again: “The word means, literally, ‘The hatred or dislike of women and girls’. I mean, are we meant to take that word at its definition…?”
    After another answer, Jones asked the same question again: “So do you stand by the use of this word misogynist, woman-hater, in relation to Tony Abbott or do you want to step back from that because … ?”
    It was the same tired, trite question as Emma Alberici asked Tanya Plibersek the previous night. That Leigh Sales asked Penny Wong.
    Yes, over the past couple of days — ever since Julia Gillard flayed Abbott for his undeniable sexism — even the sober types at the ABC were singing from the same song sheet as the right wing claquers like Piers Akerman, Andrew Bolt and Paul Sheehan. Or, more correctly reciting from the same page of an abridged dictionary.
    And all of them equally inane. For the English language is a far more nimble and subtle thing than much of Australia’s political commentary this week…
    http://www.theglobalmail.org/blog/word-of-the-day/421/

  96. So, then, have we got that? Words change their meanings over time, through usage. These days, “misogynist” is sort of an amped-up version of “sexist”. I would argue that there is a slight difference in meaning, in that a sexist comment may refer to an individual, whereas a misogynist comment refers to the female sex more generally.
    In any case, the examples of Abbott’s behaviour and comments cited by Gillard in that blistering speech show him to be both.
    The most clearly misogynist of the Abbott quotes cited by Gillard was not his assertion that abortion is “the easy way out”. While that shows an anachronistic and insensitive view on the subject, it does not necessarily show prejudice against all women.
    Nor does his deliberate association with people who hold Gillard to be “Bob Brown’s bitch” and who want to “ditch the witch” indicate misogyny. These are sexist terms, for sure, but they are directed at an individual.
    As for his suggestion that the Gillard government should have died of shame – so clearly, despite his denials, a deliberate echo of Alan Jones’s appalling quip that Gillard’s father had died of shame – that just showed meanness of spirit and lack of judgment.
    No, the real indicator of misogyny came in Abbott’s suggestion that women — all women — are unsuited to the public domain and that it was biologically predestined that men should run the show.

    http://www.theglobalmail.org/blog/word-of-the-day/421/

    Yes, a lot of what Mr. Abbott’s says and calls people is just plain nasty, very nasty. Does that make it any better.

  97. Love the headlines. I am sure that is not what Senator Wong is about.

    Labor seeks end to ‘gender war’

    Labor appears to have eased back on the so-called gender wars with Finance Minister Penny Wong declaring no one wants that type of conflict.

    The call follows a tumultuous week in federal politics in which Prime Minister Julia Gillard branded Opposition Leader Tony Abbott sexist and misogynist.

    Ms Gillard was in turn branded a hypocrite for backing former Speaker Peter Slipper after the opposition demanded he be sacked for sending offensive text messages referring to female genitalia..

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/labor-seeks-end-to-gender-war-20121013-27jh2.html

  98. Let’s put the truth on that bullshit piece.

    It was the MSM who falsely branded Gillard a hypocrite on a lie. What Gillard really did was defend the integrity of parliament that Abbott was attempting to trash.

    We won’t see that angle in any MSM piece as they do everything in their power to protect their gormless man and put down Gillard.

    And since when has a minister saying that no one wants nasty conflict a back down, which is what the MSM are attempting to frame it as. You see this way they can frame it as Abbott having won.

    Thanks there’s now a huge online community who no longer swallow this MSM crap and call it for what it is.

  99. ME, and in spite of what the MSM believes, it is gaining influence every day. In my opinion it works like the old bush telegraph or Chinese whispers. It takes on a life of its own.

    We see the reaction of retailers, they know the damage word of mouth can do.

    Yes, the social media works well when it comes to word of mouth.

    PS. One only had to live in the bush a little over half a century ago, before most homes had phones and radio very scarce to know how quickly gossip and news can spread.

    It only took the mail truck or other regular travelers to enhance the process.

  100. Is the whole party that blindly ignorant?

    No, Tom R. Corrupt, incompetent, chauvinist, mendacious and calculating about covers it. 😯

    CU @5.00pm, the key word there is “so-called”.

    As for the Slipper tests, how come the Noalition is so enraged about some tacky text messages sent by Peter Slipper, but can’t raise an eyebrow at the public and disgusting attacks on the PM by the likes of Anal Jones? Hypocrisy writ large?

    Slipper’s texts, while crude and tacky, were not public and no doubt weren’t meant to demean or denigrate anyone-I believe he is most probably an old chauvinist, but not a vicious liar and hypocrite.

    All this is so typical of this opposition and this opposition leader. Nasty, vicious, ungracious in defeat and power mad. they never stop to reflect that if Liealot had convinced Oakeshott and Windsor that he would make a better PM, he would be swanning about the Lodge as we speak.

    But like a sulky kid, he blames everyone else for his character flaws. Suck it up, princess. You’re a flop and no-one’s gunna ask you to the prom!

  101. jane, would love to know what Ashby’s text were that led to those replies, because that is what they appear to be., They did not appear to be aimed at women, except for the Mirabella one.

    That was sent after Mirabella put on a tantrum because of the speakers ruling. Was not a pretty sight that day. It was a wonder Slippers language was not stronger.

    The others were made while Slipper was still in the Liberal Party, not Speaker, At that time, Ashby was only a friend, not employed in the speakers office.

    Does one get the feeling that must of the last week just does not add up, just does not compute. That we the public have been led on a merry dance..

  102. Always three times a bridesmaid, never the bride.

    By the way, the lady is divorced, has no children and lives in sin.

  103. Möbius Ecko

    If you looked carefully you would have seen it was the blogosphere that branded Gillard a hypocrite. It’s been going on for quite some time. One only has to google Gillard hypocrite to see the extent of it.

    Min, I’ve been following this post and the comments since you wrote it and have to say you have managed to dredge up more hatred than I’ve previously noted in comments on this blog.

    For what it’s worth, IMHO “Core values could be described as our assumptions, and our expectations” is an utterly worthless statement. Both assumptions and expectations deliver nothing but disappointment to those who adopt them. Perhaps that is why this blog is filled with it!

    Honesty and integrity define what I call real people but to label these as “notions of how we believe people ought to behave” is to devalue them. As an example my colleague suggested one day that I was more honest than he. In context I was filling out my billing details and had included the travel time from the last client to the next, when he was accustomed to billing time each way. My answer was “So you believe there are degrees of honesty?”

    In all things there are degrees and perceptions. Vilification and bad language are hallmarks of ignorance. Many comments here are full of it and in the name of honesty! Vilification is easy when all you have is a keyboard.

    I’ve just had a few days with a small delegation from China. When the language barrier limits, concepts such as honesty and integrity are revealed by the firmness of a handshake, the meeting of eyes, expressions and deeds rather than words. How interesting that the very fabric of Labor today relies on Twitter et al. How ironic it is that Twitter et al are becoming its downfall!

  104. To bad the Liberals rely on the MSM lies and deceits for their honesty.

    Without the backing of the MSM, especially Ltd News, and their covering for his brain farts and the many policy stumbles of the opposition they would have been relegated to second rate a while ago.

    The social media far more reflects honest than the MSM has done for quite a long time now.

  105. “If you looked carefully you would have seen it was the blogosphere that branded Gillard a hypocrite.”

    We are all aware that it is the role of trolls to spread these messages across the blooper. Well aware ot the AstroTurfers or whatever they are called, have been created for.

    Yes, the right wing sites have been very good at getting out misinformation.

    Does this visitor really believe we are stupid.

    Are you saying that the MSM or the Opposition never have made similar comments.

    What rock do you live under.

  106. Where is the hate. I only see comments on what Abbott has said and done over the years. Not one made up comment in sight. The last come off his own official Liberal site.

    We often go as far as cutting and paste what he has said. Many times, we even supply the video,

    How fairer can we be,

    Sorry if it upsets you.

  107. We do not hate Abbott. It is just that we have no respect or believe he has anty ability. Not our fault. Take it up with your leader. Maybe you can get some change in him.

  108. For the rest of your comment, I have no idea what you are trying to say. Not a bit really interested in trying to work it out. I would say you have missed the mark by a long shot.

    I suspect you do not know either.

  109. How dare the people form a debate the MSM cannot control and bend to their way.

  110. What a prickly lot you are! Happy to troll and bag others yourselves but not happy to be called to task in the same way.

    Even happier to make assumptions…who said I’m upset? Believe you’re all stupid? Where do you get that? No idea what I’m trying to say or interested in trying to find out… maybe you’re the stupid one? Suspect I don’t know either? Says it all really.

    When you lot get over your own self importance you might begin to be relevant in the overall scheme of things.

  111. There you go the usual crap”when you lot get over blah blah blah”

    Does that mean you will not bother posting until then, promises , promises

  112. Sure have tickets on ones self. You do not have to visit, you know.

    We happen to like the way things are run here.

    I assume we do have that right in this country,

    What gives you the right to come here and criticize other commentators.

    What they write, yes, , but not them personally.

    I have told you before that certain things make me very prickly, one of your favourite words I see. Comments from opinionated trolls top the list.

    In this country, I still have that right to my own opinion, that is if it is OK with you.

    What are you calling us for account about. Surely it is not because we have the hide to voice our own opinions.

    Who gave you this wonderful power to bring to account, those who do not agree with you.

    Why do you believe that you alone, have all the answers and your opinion is always correct.

    News for you, you are far from being always correct.

    I will admit, one is stupid indeed to take time to attempt to communicate with self opinionated, no all trolls.

  113. CU
    Look at this for a demonstration by another social media campaign

    ‘Million Muppet March in Washington to defend public broadcasting

    Mitt Romney’s pledge to end subsidy for PBS is met by protest spearheaded by Sesame Street’s Big Bird
    A campaign to defend America’s Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) – using Big Bird, the fuzzy yellow character on Sesame Street, as a figurehead – is to feature a puppet-based protest next month dubbed the Million Muppet March.

    The demonstration is scheduled for 3 November at the National Mall in Washington, three days before the presidential election, after the idea was dreamed up on on social media.

    Mitt Romney pledged during the 3 October presidential debate to end the federal government’s subsidy for the PBS despite his professed love for Big Bird, one of the characters on the channel’s 43-year-old children’s educational programme alongside the Muppets.’
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/oct/13/million-muppet-march-washington-public-broadcasting

  114. As Obama said the next day, he did not realise big bird was a problem. Cannot have him corrupting all those children with examples of playing fair.

  115. Treeman…I love it how with a “firm handshake” and a “steely, but honest eye” you capitalists overcome the urge to opportunistically cash in on any advantage…language barrier or not! If, after “sussing-out” the chances of making a quick quid and realising there are none, you sigh for lost opportunity and suddenly nominate yourselves for the “integrity medal”….Yet, the whole je ne sais quoi of the capitalist mindset is to profit, or “capitalise” on any opportunity without fear or favour…and, if learnt experience and reported court proceedings tell us anything, :or legal niceties!
    So instead of coming here and trying to teach our grandmothers how to suck eggs….go check your stocks and shares!

  116. What rock do you live under

    A rather large one under a bridge, CU.

    Treeman, we don’t hate Liealot, we just think he’s an incompetent, mendacious waste of oxygen.

    Sue @9.14pm, set Miss piggy on Romney, I say.

  117. Thanks Jaycee, except I am a proud great grandmother of six, I care what type of world they inherit.

    That some see that as being a little silly.

    I feel that the policies that took us into the great depression is emerging in some areas. One must hope they do not get a head of steam up.

    Austerity always means those at the bottom must give up the little they have.

  118. I dont even bother with the likes of Iain or ‘whatthefugugottodowith-trees…man….*scroll*.. they are pointless and stupid people….. they have no social conscience, just money…. dumb *f*’s…. fancy supporting a party that supports the $ over Australians( well, hey thats the Liberals)….. how little they have valued their ‘one’ time around…..(or have I missed how special they really are….)… I value social capital , after all it is the real driver of the $, not the leaching banks that ‘bought’ us the GFC.

  119. …………….What women have understood “gender card” slurs to mean is that if they call out sexism, they will be stigmatised as weak, or whingers, and their careers will be damaged. This is what female bankers, lawyers, academics and professionals everywhere learnt: cop it and move on, despite the cost.

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    And this is why Gillard’s speech in Parliament this week, in the middle of another grubby debate about grubby texts and a grubby court case, struck a loud chord.

    For the first time in Australian political history, a senior woman from a major party stood in our Federal Parliament and attacked her opponent on the grounds of sexism in a long, blistering speech.

    Agree or not, the fact that it was the first female prime minister who took the opportunity to do this made it extraordinary.

    This was the real Julia: succinct, cool, visceral, combative and pissed off. Alan Jones said her father died in shame; Tony Abbott had just said her government should have died in shame. She was very angry; and beautifully controlled.

    It struck a chord because she made a speech millions of women have rehearsed in their heads for years – against a colleague, boss or opponent they consider to be obnoxious or sexist – but never made. Labor women, Democrat, Republican, donkey-vote women and even some Liberal women (just quietly) gathered around their computers and yelled, air-punched and cheered.

    Because Gillard said things women aren’t supposed to say, in any job, and most of all, in politics. She made a speech that politically is dangerous and may cost her electorally. (Former ALP minister John Della Bosca told the ABC on Thursday he would have told her not to give the speech because he believes it will lose votes.)

    This is also why the video of the speech went viral.

    Americans were fascinated because she was aggressive about things women in US politics are supposed to be ashamed of, or defensive about: being unmarried, being pro-choice, and being a woman who is pissed off about sexism. Newsweek’s Andrew Sullivan praised the speech as ”a model of a brutal take-down of a conservative political opponent”, and argued: ”Obama needs to Gillard Romney in the next debate. To his face.”

    Despite this, the press gallery have been a chorus of rolling eyeballs this week, pointing out that Gillard was trying to save her skin, to maintain power in a hung parliament. Peter Slipper has been used as a political football by both sides, repetitively, and shamefully, and still is, given both still welcome his vote……………..

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/politics/words-that-millions-of-women-have-rehearsed-yet-never-spoken-20121012-27i1j.html

  120. Oh dear!…a bit too much merlot joie de vivre and I got my je ne sais quoi(s) mixed up with my raison d’etre(s)!….oh well..c’est la vie!..and bugger the spelling!!

  121. Shock Jock Alan Jones gives free advertising to NSW state Coalition government, but wants a Union to buy advertising.
    Alan Jones interview Minister Baird for 15 minutes an changes to fire levy (tax to be applied to all households rather than insurance companies. Then Alan Jones mentions a union website, the management email the union asking for paid advertising , rather the give the Union the opportunity air its case for opposing the tax change.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/fireys-fuming-at-2gb-tactics/story-e6freuy9-1226494944666

  122. Piers Ackerman in a piece accusing Kate Ellis of sexism allows this comment to go through.

    ‘Kate Ellis reminds me of a well made blow up doll’

  123. Good pick up on Twitter of the gendering of the word rants by the media and male commentators.

    She rants, he argues.

  124. If anyone has seen Abbott in action over more than a decade now know this is gendering of the word rants is just more Right wing projection. Abbott does nothing but rant whilst Gillard calmly argues.

    There is also a concerted media effort to shift the blame for the bad behaviour in parliament and the collapse of protocol there on Gillard.

    Apparently it’s her bad behaviour that has caused it.

    They really do live in an alternate universe but at least this morning Leonore Taylor admitted the press gallery got it wrong on Gillard’s speech rightly putting down Abbott.

  125. Iain & “Treeman” must be long lost relatives. They’re both stupid enough to think they can make broad assertions without *ever* having to bring forward a single piece of evidence to back them up. Oh & classic projection-a troll accusing us of trolling. Again, “Treeman” evidence would be nice!

  126. Treeman or Tea man, If your reading this Tea-man it means you have made a comment on this blog, which is something that does not happen at your blog….. Whisperers take note… if you dare to lower yourselves and go to site below you will find zero comments on Treemans postings….. no wonder he comes here…boring there 😆
    http://austeaparty.com.au/web/

  127. SMH had damning article on Ms Gillard yesterday , following on from The Age.
    How long before we know the S & G / Union deals and what they mean for the
    integrety of our current PM. Truth some how always seems to bubble to the
    surface. I smell a rat and it is well decomposed .

  128. It past our notice last week, but does Mr Ashby no longer have a job. That agreement ti Attorney made with him, included that when Slipper went, he would also go.I

  129. Yes the truth on Abbott did bubble to the surface didn’t it, and the slew of damning articles world wide followed.

  130. CU, you’d think the PM would get a pat on the back for not having kids. It’s not like the planet’s short on humans.

    Shock Jock Alan Jones gives free advertising to NSW state Coalition government, but wants a Union to buy advertising.

    i trust the Union sent him a billboard sized photo of a raised middle digit. He should pay them.

    ME @12.04pm, at least she’s had the grace to admit that the Press Gallery got it (deliberately) wrong. There isn’t one of them who would be unaware that Gillard was defending the integrity of the Parliament, due process and the separation of powers, not Mr Slipper.

    There isn’t one of them who was unaware of the actual “context” of the PM’s speech and if they claim not to have been aware, they should be stocking shelves at the local supermarket. They may JUST learn how to do that job properly, although I wouldn’t put the dog kennel on it.

    I smell a rat and it is well decomposed

    And it’s coming from the Liars Party. There’s been a whiff emanating from there since 1996, and it’s been getting worse since 2009. All the perfumes of Arabia cannot sweeten the stench from the Liars Party.

  131. Yeah what a shocking terrible government we have according to the right wingers, who would rather see this country crash and burn under a Labor government than do as well as this:

    Australians’ personal wealth highest in world

    Yet they are perfectly willing to have a gormless idiot as PM and a team that time and again have shown they have the economic skills of a kindergarten kid with a piggy bank.

  132. Does anyone believe that the Shock Jocks radio might have had it’s day.

    With the coming of the social media and the blogs, we now have many more effective means to have our voices heard.

    I feel the the emergence of smart phones and tablets are going to speed up the process.

    The use of the social media and the web in general, is spreading across all layers of society. The elderly are becoming the fastest growing group.

    I notice the polling companies are now Beginning to poll on web.

    There are great changes occurring in this country on all levels, in all spheres.

    We now live in a global world.

  133. Having a hard time with links today ME? 😉

    The Possum links on the Media Watch thread don’t work either…

  134. Well I must admit one could be more confident in the Opposition after watching their plans for the next few days.

    They sure seem to know what they are doing in Indonesia, why they are there, who they are going to talk to, and what they want to achieve.

    Yes, watching them makes one feel much more secure and have more faith in the future.

    If Mr. Abbott gets his childhood promise and dream of being PM, we can be more relaxed about the prospect.

    There I wrote something nice. Anyone in agreement..

  135. voyager, I believe if one reads that story. The PM said that the union was legally registered. A statement of fact. That is a terrible thing for a solicitor to say, when asked. Giving a fact, not an opinion.

  136. This is an example of a male, that needs to come into the 21st century, His wife should have told him to grow up, not shut up

    And my own reaction? My response too was visceral. As I watched on Tuesday night, I found an involuntary and incoherent stream of invective escaping at full volume until my wife told me to pipe down and I had to leave the room.

    How long are we going to have put up with this bloody woman, I railed. Her ghastly voice! Her insincerity! Her mendacity, and her cynicism! Thoughts I must admit I have had before.

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/Gillard-acted-like-a-woman-who-was-losing-an-argument/?from=scroller&pos=1&referrer=article&link=text.

  137. Not the first time for me in stuffed up links. Something funny going on I can’t put my finger on as I have the link properly selected and have the right bbcode but somehow they get screwed from Twitter. It seems it’s the Twitter links that stuff up.

    Anyway that’s too good a piece to let go so here’s a direct link to the article: Mussel flexing women destroy the joint

  138. By the state of our our economy and plans being put in place for the future, I would say the PM is doing well in the sphere this article says the PM should focus on.

    News for the writer, one can do many things at once. It is not one or the other.

    The PM did conduct herself well on our behalf in Indonesia.

    If Ms Gillard really wants to take up the fight for Australian women (and men, actually, Prime Minister) she’ll stop obsessing over Mr Abbott and focus instead on the business of prosecuting good policies to boost the economy and keep people employed.

    And if Ms Gillard really wants to take up the fight for feminism, she’ll set herself up to be remembered as a Prime Minister of exemplary political judgment and principle.

    Sadly, my fellow sheilas, we didn’t see much of either this week.

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/this-weeks-appalling-act-of-misogyny-wasnt-this/?from=scroller&pos=2&referrer=article&link=text

  139. Cu the right wing comments in that piece are hilarious. Almost to a tee they either sprout the opposition and Ltd News lines of bullshit proving they haven’t a mind of their own, or they falsely accuse Gillard and Labor of doing exactly what Abbott and the opposition are actually doing.

    For instance one poster accuses Gillard of running away when the questions get too hard. I had to read it twice more to make sure the poster had typed Gillard and not Abbott, but there it was.

    They are so out of touch with what’s really happening and don’t want to be in touch. They want to be told what to say and follow like sheep. The reality intrudes too much into their narrow blinkered mindset so they just swap it around, make up their mind it doesn’t exist or if that fails make up their own reality totally divorced from what’s actually happening.

  140. I have just had a thought. None of the sexist material sheeted home to Mr. Slipper, comes anywhere near the cartoons that have been flooding the internet from the pen of Pickering and others.

    Cartoons that visitors to this site, see nothing wrong in. Cartoons that they believe women should have to endure.

    Yes, Mr Abbott, we and the PM have much to hyperventilate about.

  141. When ever did the PM run away. That is news on me.

    I have the suspicion, that Mr. Abbott has stayed longer in Indonesia, for one reason only, that is to hide from the weekend media. He cannot get away for going into hiding on another weekend at home, as he did a couple of weeks ago.

    From what we are reading about the arrangements, they seem to be have made on the run.

    Wonder why he did not travel with the PM, as it was planned. Surely two planes were not needed.

    Suggest he did not have the guts to travel with the PM.

  142. There was a good interview on ABC Breakfast this morning by the author of Women in Politics.

    She pointed out that the PM was not coming from the position of victim. In fact the opposite was true. It was from the position of strength, and appear not to be talking on behalf of herself, but all women.

    One moment to make people think, and that is why they are still talking about it. It is about a lot more than Abbott.

    Agree.

  143. Cu, I would suspect that Tony Abbott could not abide being in any sort of situation of inferiority to the “she”, hence the reason for refusing to travel with the PM.

  144. PM on her way to spend three days in India. Important discussion are schedule. With both government and business men. Is Abbott trying to divert attention.

    This is a long stay for the PM.

    Yes, the PM can deal with more than one matter at a time.

  145. There has not been a visit of an Indian Prime Minister for twenty six years. Maybe we will see that announcement.

    The PM is focusing on the Asian-Pacific, something that Mr. Abbott has problems doing.

    Makes his exercise look a little childish in Indonesia.

  146. Some men have been in too many scrums, too many boxing matches, have beaten their heads against too many walls. Of all the words in the whole wide world, Tony Abbott chose – deliberately, it would seem – to use the word ”shame” in his speech on the motion to sack Peter Slipper as speaker. Shame, with all the connotations Alan Jones wrapped around it clumsily weeks earlier, when referring to the Prime Minister’s dead father. Abbott’s use of ”shame” made Slipper’s description of women’s private parts look positively eloquent.

    When Abbott said this Parliament was covered in shame, he had both feet in his mouth and led with his glass jaw because people who throw punches or stones should not live in glass parliament houses. And the word was snatched from his mouth by Julia Gillard and shoved down his throat on Tuesday, in the most riveting, exhilarating, exhorting speech delivered in the house since Paul Keating hammered Hewson and Howard into submission on a daily basis. Gillard’s speech channelled Margaret Thatcher, Germaine Greer and Martin Luther King jnr with the punch of Muhammad Ali.

    Gillard rose from the ashes of the Slipper affair with her head glowing red, full of fire and ire, her big guns blazing and every bullet went into the head and heart of Abbott. On hearing the Opposition Leader say, ”Standing in this Parliament to defend this Speaker will be another day of shame … another day of shame for a government which should already have died of shame”, Gillard sensed blood. Maybe the blood on the knuckle of Abbott’s left and right fists after they pounded the wall around the head of a frightened Barbara Ramjan, who had just licked him in a fair fight for presidency of the Students Representative Council at Sydney University in 1977.

    The Prime Minister delivered the fatal one-two punches to the hapless jaw of Abbott. ”The government is not dying of shame, my father did not die of shame. What the Leader of the Opposition should be ashamed of is his performance in this Parliament and the sexism he brings with it.”

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/politics/gillard-brought-down-the-house-20121013-27jmn.html

  147. The elder Ms. Bishop told the PM, if she cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

    I will suggest that the PM can well stand the heat.

    The heat in this kitchen has been added to by the fires that Mr. Abbott’s lit, when destroying what he cannot have.

    That fire needs putting out, and the PM is taking steps to do so.

  148. Yes, indeed the speech was bigger than the Slipper thing. Much bigger.

    At the end of the day, what is more disgusting, Mr. Slipper and Ashby discussing that a vagina looks like A unshelled mussel, or those cartoons of Pickering that flooded the facebook and the airways,

    Cartoons that has the PM wearing a strap on, and using it to emasculate Abbott I believe.

    Cartoons that many seen nothing wrong in, or laughed at.

  149. CU
    on Ashby
    Ashby was employed by the Commonwealth and lost his job when Slipper resigned. It was not part of the agreement of the court case just part of normal contracts in parliament house. For example when Rudd was replaced by Gillard, some of the staff in the PM’s office changed. When the Howard govt left office the parliamentary staff employed for Howard ministers were no longer employed. In the case of Ashby, I think the govt made sure that he at some time in the future then didn’t try and sue them for wrongful dismissal. That is why Roxon said publically that Ashby’s employment time frame was limited. And at most he would only be employed upto the time parliament is dissolved. That also limited his settlement.

  150. From Mussel flexing women destroy the joint

    “The contrast between the prime minister who regularly takes all questions and an opposition leader who avoids them – by either refusing to appear or simply walking away from journalists once he’s spouted his talking points – was stark.”

    Something our media does not address. PM takes all questions. Abbott walks off when things stray from his 3 word slogans.

  151. Sue, they say in all black clouds, there are silver linings.

    I believe there might be many in what we have seen the last week.

    For the love of me, I cannot see any for Mr.Abbott.

    Maybe Turnbull though, I know it is far stretched, the younger Bishop. I am sure she does not see herself as bridesmaid for the fourth time.

    It would be interesting to know what Judge Rare thinks of the weeks shenanigans. considering what he is now pondering on.

    The judge has to decide whether the action was vexatious, not whether Slipper or Ashby is telling the truth.

    I say this especial in regard for the Opposition tactics of demanding that the Attorney General should have rel leased and acted on what the court gave in confidence to the government legal team.

    It is fascinating what knowledge the Opposition has of all the evidence lodged by Mr. Ashby and his legal team. Knowledge they are nor slow in releasing, if it suits their cause.

    No wonder Abbott has gone into hiding in Jakarta, with his tail between his legs.

    Well that is the way I see it.

  152. CU
    I had been thinking about judge Rares as well. He did challenge Ashby’s team with “well how much more money do you want?’ To which they didn’t reply. also the judge was less than impressed with it all appearing in the newspapers before coming to court. Oh well it will be interesting to see what happens. I await more articles in IA,too.
    Back to Abbott hiding in Indonesia, has Margie stayed on or flown home? As to Margie, would she feel betrayed by Abbott after her weekends hard work, being a private person thrust into the media. And would this from the article in TheVine about sum it up:

    “or trots out women who love him unconditionally as proof that his past sexist behaviour and comments mean absolutely nothing, there have been millions of women itching to wheel around on these people and shine a harsh light on the absurdity of their attitudes, expose their behaviour for the untenable, antediluvian bullshit that it truly is”
    http://www.thevine.com.au/life/news/what-the-australian-media-missed-in-gillards-misogyny-speech/

  153. OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott says he’s not visiting Indonesia to lecture them on taking a tougher stand against asylum seekers.

    But he says Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and others have stated repeatedly that Australia needed to “take the sugar off the table” and remove attractions which give people smugglers a product to sell.

    Mr Abbott says the Indonesians are well aware of Opposition policy of turning back asylum seeker boats to Indonesian territory and also restoring temporary protection visas.

    “They understand that turning boats around is but one element of that policy and the last thing I’m coming to Indonesia to do is to lecture,” he told reporters in Jakarta.

    “I’m coming here to listen, to learn and to indicate to the Indonesian government that as far as I’m concerned, Indonesia and its government should always be treated with respect and should always be dealt with as a candid friend.”
    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/abbott-has-no-beef-with-indonesias-asylum-policies/story-fnejr8lb-1226494975441

    Candid friend.

    It appears that Margie stayed home.

    Now do the other two represent what is truly Australian society, as was said on the Insider this morning.

    I really hope not.

  154. No wonder he is representing himself. Money I would say he has no chance of getting back even if he won the court matters.

    FORMER Speaker Peter Slipper and his wife Inge-Jane Hall are desperately trying to offload two investment properties as the MP faces a mounting legal bill estimated at $450,000.

    A shattered Mr Slipper has told parliamentary colleagues of his fears of a crushing legal bill, amid fears the court case involving staffer James Ashby could send him bankrupt.

    This could force him to leave parliament early, paving the way for Opposition leader Tony Abbott to pick up another Liberal National Party MP, former Howard Government Minister Mal Brough.

    The Labor Party has ruled out paying any of Mr Slipper’s legal costs as it did for suspended ALP backbencher, Craig Thomson, who faces potential criminal charges.

    Federal Court judge Steven Rares last month ruled that Mr Slipper was liable to pay for an indemnity costs order which will require him to pay a substantial legal bill incurred by Mr Ashby…….

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/investment-property-sell-off-as-peter-slippers-legal-bill-tops-450000/story-fndo2j43-1226494986252

  155. Sue, no mention of the wife. Probably traveled back with the Howard’s. Sorry sue for missing her.

  156. See the bias in the Tele story on Slipper’s court costs.
    The labor party not paying slipper’s costs but paid thomson.

    The real story is The Commonwealth is not paying Slipper’s costs, the rules are only Minister’s are covered. And this is what has got parliamentarians worried, What has the (LNP) Ashby unleashed? Could any parliamentarian be crippled by claims such as Ashby’s. forget the “truth” of any claim. Could a politician be bankrupted out of his elected position? The Ashby / Slipper texts start before Ashby was employed. Interesting precedent here, and once again it has started with the Liberal Party.

    That is why “who” is backing Ashby is relevant, with his legal costs suggested to total $1.2 million and then there is the PR firm.

  157. Sue, politics has been going down a dangerous path for years. There have been a number of politicians that have come close to ruin, not always guilty. Pauline Hanson comes to mind.

    I would like to see Slipper win this one. One needs to remember he has had many allegations made against him.

    All up to this time have not survived scrutiny. He has never been found guilty of anything.

    That is where the arguments fall down, that he should not have been made speaker. Allegations yes, innuendo yes, rumours yes, all investigated as far as I know, it not, why not.

    None found to have substance. Some have been shocking.

    The truth is that there was no proven grounds that Slipper was not worthy of the role.

    It is said that it was Ashby that suggest to Slipper he go after the speakers job.

    Yes, conspiracies are the seldom the case, but is this case, I can accept it could be true, especially with Mr. Abbott being involved.

    The next few weeks will be interesting., There is a desperation to the actions of the Opposition. While this government remains, they are more in danger of the truth of any wrong doing or dirty tactics emerging.

  158. Caption competition…

    Caption 1: Tony Abbott puts the boot into Indonesian cuisine.

    Caption 2: “Get your food off my footstool!”

    Caption 3: “The shit on my shoe is better than the shit you people serve as food!”

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