Looking ahead

Unless the Prime Minister surprises us all by calling a snap election – and I’m betting she won’t – 2013 will be the year of the Federal election.

The last twenty four months have been a pure delight for a political tragic. For that we thank the Coalition for providing us with some comedy relief in the form of Tony Abbott. The next 12 months should be equally as entertaining and is sure to be another Abbott cocktail of gaffes, brain farts, back-flips, thought bubbles and publicity stunts. Yet, the daily media mantra of “Mr Abbott says . . .” will be elevated to headline status. He’ll be in our faces from the time we have breakfast until we tuck ourselves in at night. It’s a scary thought.

Over the next 12 months it all gets serious.

He’ll again be exposing his hairy chest, running marathons, kissing babies, firing rifles and visiting cities on the eve of their destruction. As Nasking suggested on this blog, he’ll still be the show-pony grabbing the limelight and attention he so desperately needs.

For our mainstream media, 2013 will be Tony’s year.

Quoting Nasking again . . . like many of you, I haven’t failed to notice that time and time again, the moment his leadership is at crisis point, comes a Newspoll to the rescue – Abbott’s numbers as preferred PM are up? . . . yea, and my mother was born a Vulcan . . . followed by some shock jock, News Ltd, Channel Nine and ABC ‘usual suspect’ support. Yep, they’ll be there to save Tony’s bacon.

It has started already. Just when the whole world has woken up to the fact that Tony Abbott is a misogynist sledge hammer the media pluck his wife Margie out of his shadow to promote him as the perfect, dare I say it . . . man. Such headlines are sure to dominate the media landscape over the next 12 months as Margie competes with Paris Hilton as the tabloid gossip girl. The media will find people (that Tony himself may have even forgotten about) that will attest to all his goodness and purity. And no doubt too, the media will beat a path to John Howard’s door, swooning to the lavish praise the little man will bless upon him.

This week he’s being presented as a lady’s man. What will he be next week? A soldier? A savior? A saint? And closer to the election he may become the Pied Piper or Tarzan, or perhaps a miniature version of Arnold Schwarzenegger. There is nothing our media couldn’t portray him as.

He will be the expert voice on all things in the known universe. He will be humanity’s guiding light and of course his incompetent mumblings will be fed to us as though he was a divine entity. He will be the master of all knowledge. Dare I chose what pair of socks to put on in the morning without first consulting him? I’ll need Tony the hold my hand and the media will attempt to have us handcuffed.

Might I suggest that over the next 12 months the tabloid media change from printing on white paper to brown. It might be appropriate. Brown is a close colour to bullshit. Looking ahead, we’re going to cop it in the bucket loads.

For the independent and social media, 2013 will be Tony’s year too. But we won’t be as kind.

Looking ahead, this and other left-wing blogs will be there helping to expose every lie, mock every brain fart, dissect every thought bubble and fill in the gaps missed by our media goons. Since he became Leader of the Opposition we have been subjected to a stream of lies, misrepresentations, obfuscations and . . . a string of idiotic brain farts thinly disguised as policy which have been neither well thought out, nor costed. (Thanks to Jane from this blog for that quote). If the mainstream media won’t hold him to account, the independent media will be demanding that they do.

We’ll be pushing the message on all social media platforms and even at the hallowed family BBQs. People who don’t engage in social media – who only read/listen to our mainstream media – have no idea how politically incompetent and socially dangerous this man is.

2013 is the year to get in peoples’ faces. The might of the mainstream media can never be taken on, but by Christ we can still make a noise.

263 comments on “Looking ahead

  1. Pleased to see someone not part of the “poor Tony” brigade. The bigger the bully, the more the whining and claims of victimhood and the more they need their mummy, or their wife or their news corporation to cover for them. Abbot should just behave in a civil manner and take responsibility. The News Ltd press and the news limited media would serve Australians better if they informed and commented fairly and rationally and not want to be players themselves

  2. Superb post Migs.

    You tell it as it is.

    Fun to see a couple of quotes from the Bear in bygone days up there. 🙂

    And that superb and consistent contributor jane.

    It should be a great election period…with the likes of this and other blogs and social network sites analysing the race…and Abbott & the Coalition’s words and policies (if you can call them that).

    Keep up the fine work.

    Cheers
    N’

  3. The News Ltd press and the news limited media would serve Australians better if they informed and commented fairly and rationally and not want to be players themselves
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    Spot on Mario.

    Seems Murdoch and cronies can’t help themselves.

    A natural bias against a centre-left female PM.

    Didn’t mind supporting male Blair of Labour in UK tho.

    But of course, he helped their empire expand…like RICHO is on SKY NEWS now…and Thatcher.

    And they are all CRUSADERS.

    N’

  4. Indeed, Nasking, that old bear comes out with some telling statements that should be echoed right up until the election.

  5. Migs,
    If I did not know you better I would think you had just allowed Margie to turn you to the dark side. Then I awoke and saw it as a call for all us 5th estaters to rise up and slay the evil ones just like Buffy and her friends.

    I think the year will be one where more not less scrutiny of the Noalition will occur and why, because for the very reason is that it is an election year. The general populace realize it is on and will come out of their slumber.

    They will see the clowns for what they are and the KISS principle is what labor needs to apply “Its the Economy Stupid” and the BISON’s are there to back it up.

    Speedo’s brain farts and baby kissing won’t do it for them and as it is sort of sorry week. I feel sorry for that child shown above do you realize she may need counselling for the rest of her natural. May the force be with us all.

  6. Hi Bilko. We must catch up before I head off to America late next week. I’ll arrange something with our fellow Canberran blogging friends.

  7. Stirring stuff!
    The MSM’s coverage of Margie is pretty disgraceful. Repeating what I previously said, the Australian MSM is being used, knows it’s being used, admits it’s being used & doesn’t care. Watching a shot tonight of Abbott (the boy one, we’ll have to learn to distinguish there it seems) accusing Gillard of everything he does himself & getting away with it was annoying to say the least.
    But we can take heart from Jonesgate & its aftermath. Possibly for the first time the MSM’s been taken on & beaten. Copping what the’ve dished out for so long. And not liking it.

    P.S. And they’re immune to the numerous ironies of their position. As the “Handbag hit squad” line is obligingly taken up by the media we’re simultaneously told “sexist comments??? not from Tony’s mob.” There are better & more important examples of this that anyone can think of. Or perhaps they’re just so confident they don’t care- blanket criticism & insults, no matter how contradictory.

  8. Repeating what I previously said, the Australian MSM is being used, knows it’s being used, admits it’s being used & doesn’t care

  9. Sorry Migs but I see this effort as a mixture of desperation , wishful thinking and just old wilful blindness to the faults of this woeful government. Labor’s fortunes are dependant on a rather dull crew lead by an even duller PM so the one thing that you forgot to discuss here is why they deserve to be re elected, Naturally I don’t think that they do deserve another term. Apart from “they are not Tony Abbott” what have you minions of the left got to recommend the Gillard crew?
    Bugger all !
    😎

  10. One word, plenty. More than one could say for the Opposition leader.

    Thanks Neil for the video. It reminds us how caring and calm our PM is.

    It shows us how normal she is.

    I used the word normal, as MArgie used the word nine times at least in her speech, to undermine how normal she seen her husband and their family.

    Yes, the PM lives in a long term relationship without the benefit of a formal marriage as does about fifty percent of the population, including many with children.

    Yes, the PM is a very normal Australian, The PM, like the previous Liberal PM and present Opposition leader also believes in daily exercise, which she carries out in private, unlike the public stunts of the prior two mentioned. No walks along the harbour in baggy track suits, or bile rides, in the early hours of the day in lycra, with media following.,

    No, the PM might not have children. Many couples do not.

    Yes, thanks Neil for the reminder.

    As for using the media. This was one video.

    Last weekend, the media effort was full front page stories on at least four papers. A four page spread in another. Long interviews on nine and sky. Radio interviews during the day. Coverage every fifteen ,minutes on ABC 24,

    Now one cannot possibly believe the story deserved this orchestrated coverage,

    Neil, that is the difference.

    Yes, Neil, the media have appeared to no compunction about so openly giving Mr. Abbott all the assistance they can. Last Saturday could not have occurred without direct cooperation between the media and the Abbott camp.

    VIsitor, the reason that Mr. Abbott will do better are :-………………..

  11. Visitor, would start with a pretty good economy. Am happy with most of what has been delivered, some not especially like by many, but good for the nation, now and into the future,

    Yes, the lady will do for me.

    The alternative is just too frightening.

  12. Iain

    On an economic basis can you please point out to me the faults of this government. The numbers just don’t stack up when you compare them to the rest of the world. Simple negativity by the conservatives is rubbish when you look at the actual results and numbers.
    I am glad the so called Gillard crew are not Tony Abbott. Even his wife says he makes everything a competition and from my personal observations, those who make everything a competition are aggressive and unable to absorb or accept differences of opinion. Alan Jones is an example. When Tony Abbott was caught out uttering the words “thats bullshit” under his breath to one of the opposition MPs a while ago, he showed his hidden nastiness and temperament and that simply is not what I want as our PM. Malcolm Turnbull on the other hand is far rmore appealing to us non rusted on middle of the road voters.

  13. C U & Shane

    While our economy does seem to be in better shape that many other countries in the world it is much more due to the fact that the previous coalition administrations paid down debt and left a full treasury. Under Swan that full treasury is now empty and our debt levels have gone through the roof. Frankly I don’t see how that is anything to boast about or that it bodes well for our future.
    Competitiveness is no crime and I will suggest that it is actually virtue in a political player. Further when it comes to Nastiness you can’t go past Gillard and co with their ongoing smear campaign against Abbott.

  14. Iain

    Coffers fill and empty that is part of a government. What you forget is the number of tax cuts John Howard gave. Previous tax cuts have a devastating effect on the ability of a government ot generate sufficient income to maintain services when things turn for the worse like the GFC. You may like to research how the depression was overcome with government borrowings and debt.

    Government is not a business it should not be run like a business. It should be run like a government.

    How can you even compare the nastiness of right wing shock jocks with anything from Gillard. Your partisan blindness is showing through.

  15. While I agree that a government is not a business it is still an inescapable fact that governments should aim to spend no more that they receive in revenue and the sad truth is that Swan and Gillard are spending far more than they can reasonably expect to get in the immediate future. Are you saying that is a responsible way to manage our economy?

    The shock jocks are indeed often nasty but they are just entertainers when it comes down to it frankly I expect better of my politicians. Labor , in their desperation, are practising rather tawdry politics at present would you be happy to see the coalition doing the same to Labor? I think not.

  16. Iain

    If governments aim to spend no more than they recieve in revenue, there would be no snowy mountains scheme, no opera house, no harbour bridge and countless other buldings, infrastructure and amenities all over the world which contribute to our lifestyle and economy. Spending no more than you earn creates no visions but rather a here and now attitutde and framework. Our politicians have been hiajcked by the posturing of spend no more than you earn for over 15 years now and hence very little infrastructure, vision for the future and the short term immediate effect of tax cuts for the wealthy applied with pressure from the elite, rather than using increasing revenue to build and plan. All to simply win the next election. Greed has become the driving factor now, not vision or forward thinking.

  17. Iain

    If you enjoy nastiness, partisan politics and disgraceful comments leading to whipped up hysteria, then yes shock jocks are entertainers. I would much rather listen to an even handed debate full of logic and fact to get ones point of view accross, than resort to hate, hysteria and partisan points of view. I also end the experience with a calm decision instead of a headache.They claim freedom of speech but are more than happy to silence callers who criticise, with the disconnect button, they state that is their right, but then claim I have no right to boycott an advertiser who advertises on a programme I disgaree with. They pull out the freedom card only when it suits their agenda, a lot like the racist card being thrown in peoples faces at times.

  18. shaneinqld is absolutely correct to say there is no way someone can debate with these shock jocks as the piss off button is hit the minute any facts start to surface and then the personal abuse starts to kick in. If you don’t sing their song then you are kicked to the kerb. There is no freedom of speech with these cowards and they get away with lie after filthy lie day in day out and are rarely held accountable for their putrid verbals of decent people.

  19. Oh, newsflash, Iain is coming to the defense of the most mean-spirited & pathetic Opposition in Australian history. Gee, never saw *that* coming. BTW, please spare us your attempts at projection-Labor is giving us the National Broadband Network, has tripled the tax-free threshold, is bringing in Denticare, has brought in Paid Maternity Leave, has placed a price on pollution, is seeking to spread the benefits of the mining boom over a broader section of the community, is investing heavily in public education & public health (after a decade of Howard cutting funding to these areas), has helped to deliver a combination of the lowest unemployment, inflation & interest rates. Has given us an economy still in growth, is helping to wean the wealthy off of expensive welfare schemes (like the Child Care & Health Insurance rebates), in order to bring our budget back into surplus (though I don’t care much if they fail to achieve that goal-as I think surpluses have been massively overstated by the Right Wing media). Now, please do tell us what policies of Abbott are making you so desperate to vote for him in the next election. I bet you’ve got NOTHING, because Abbott has got NOTHING!

  20. BTW, Iain, I assume then that you saved the entire price of your house before you entered the housing market? I mean, if debt is such an evil, then no doubt you’d be rabidly opposed to having a mortgage. Oh, & what about those irresponsible businesses that get loans in order to make investments in infrastructure & the like? Once again, Iain, your only role on this blog site is to show how ignorant you & your fellow Right Wingers actually are!

  21. Shane, the shock jocks also pander to the lowest common denominator by the use of ridicule and sarcasm. This is not just against the intended victim, but against any who dare voice an alternative opinion. It’s the bully boy mentality, voices shrill and full of condescension egging others to join in to gang up against the dissenter.

  22. Mobius, from your link..I thought that this is very well said.

    What News Ltd has done is to wilfully refuse to “get” social media and instead press the pedal to the metal and attempt to pass the juggernaut of popular opinion on the inside.

    It was not all that long ago that there was a concerted campaign by some in the media to try to defuse the social media movement by stating that those involved in blogs were not “real journalists”. Real journalists apparently are those who get paid to do the job…

    But what Limited News especially are fearful of is that the social media provides a voice for every person, and not just those in charge of the microphone. However, one cannot help but consider that the msm have brought this situation upon themselves – who these days reads the oo or news.com to find opinion of the standard of Matty Price or Tim Dunlop.

  23. What an ugly opportunist Abbott is.

    “Opposition leader Tony Abbott has already been out and about in Melbourne this morning promising funding for CCTV cameras in the federal electorate of Higgins.

    Fifty million. Mr Abbott says this money is already in the Budget.

    quote As a father of three daughters, I want our communities to be safe.”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/blogs/the-pulse/politics-live-october-8-2012-20121008-277xl.html#ixzz28enw8Z5B

    Using your daughters yuck. Give this a thought you ugly man, the person you are using for your politicking was dead by the time the vision was viewed.

    How dare you use soemone grief for your wish for the lodge. By the way Margie what do you think of your man? Does this politicking of a dead young woman mean he gets women?

    Yuck yuck yuck

  24. And as a real issue
    $50 million for either a state or council issue, why not for every electorate in australia,why just Higgins. Is there something about the member for Higgins, Kelly O’Dwyer?
    disgusting

  25. The troll again demonstrates nothing more than a blind, cloth eared, lemming like line dance. Maybe he would be better served doing the “time warp” for some factual perspective…you know…”It’s just a jump to the left”.

    If one was to get into the technical semantics of the economic credibility of previous administrations, Keating built the house in which Howard squatted. Keating and his legacy is the De Bergerac of Howard’s (Arguably by legacy Australia’s worst treasurer) economic swoon to the electorate. You know those little overlooked facts like banking deregulation, floating the dollar, the accord, centralised bargaining and an economic focus on Asia.

    Our ongoing prosperity lies in the infrastructure that Liberals always put in the too hard basket and label as reckless spending. You know the mantra…you don’t need it until you start using it deal. Labor builds prosperity, productivity whilst still maintaining social equality. Real economic credentials are now tested as there is nothing left to privatise. The economic rationalists realise that market forces are none too keen on actually building anything for projected long term gain as is the case with Telecommunications and the NBN.

    Tony Abbott has spent his whole political career as an attack dog. Now like Alan Jones, when held to the blowtorch of reflected hypocrisy, he claims to be victimised?….Oh the shameless double standards.
    12 months out two words….John Hewson

  26. N.o.S. @ 1.12
    Produce evidence of a co ordinated pro Labor multi media wide propaganda offensive backed up by repeat barrages & faux “analysis” from party shills & we’ll have a talk.

  27. What you forget is the number of tax cuts John Howard gave. Previous tax cuts have a devastating effect on the ability of a government ot generate sufficient income to maintain services when things turn for the worse like the GFC.

    Actually Shane that is not true and even if it was Swan did not have to agree with the Costello tax cuts. Labor has the numbers to get legislation through parliament to fix the tax rates. So it is Swans fault. But they are getting plenty of money.

    http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/speeches/budget-in-reply-speech-labor-wasting-the-boom/

    During the four budgets delivered so far by Labor in this term of government the Treasury figures from October last year suggest that the federal government has benefited from a terms of trade windfall of at least $90 billion, with the largest single boost coming in the 2011-12 financial year we are about to commence. ……………………if we really want to understand what has been going on with the federal budget we need to look at the outlays side—the spending side. There we can seen that annual spending has risen by $90 billion since the last year of the Howard government. That is a rise of 33 per cent in nominal terms…

  28. “Power the people!” Thank you, social media, for reminding the people that they do have power and that they can exercise that power. The people have spoken

  29. On CCTVs, that is almost always a local government and police matter..hardly the jurisdiction of the federal government. Opportunistic..spot on..

    Brisbane Lord Mayor Graham Quirk confirmed he was considering a “city audit” of CCTV blackspots within the state’s capital.

    “I would certainly be more than willing to have a look at a city audit in terms of the types of facilities we have,” he said.

    While he said the city had a “pretty good handle on our CCTV coverage already”, Cr Quirk expressed an interest in liaising with police to determine whether more cameras were needed.

    “That is something that probably would be worthwhile discussing with the Queensland Police Service,” he said.

  30. NOS… quoting economic information from Malcolm Turnbull’s site is like quoting Gina Rinehart on evils of capitalism….fairly predictable and hardly credible

    Truth is Howard missed a great opportunity to spend on future infrastructure.but chose to bribe the middle class instead.Selling the future in privitising Telstra for zero gain only for Labor to buy it back again.

  31. Neil

    Unlike you, I am not a rusted on supporter of either side of politics and Wayne Swan is just as wrong in giving tax cuts. When polled, the majority of aussies wanted no tax cuts but better hospitals, roads and services and this was also during the levy for everything governments reign. Your, “Wayne Swan did it as well”, comment does nothing to refute the argument. If you continue to give tax cuts you destroy the ability for the government to function and provide services without the need for additional borrowings. I suggest you look at the ramifications of the the tax cuts given to the rich in the USA since Ronald Reagan was elected. I suggest you look at the ramification of tax cuts given to the wealthy in many european nations. Giving tax cuts in good times is just bad policy as good times never last.

    I hope you are watching with interest the recession the UK is now in, as a result of the slash and burn tactics of the Tories and now the toxic and poisonous relations between them and the their coalition partner who is seeking to have the rich pay more again with the tories against the idea. The Labour party in the UK is now 10 points ahead in the polls and the tories governing partner the liberal alliance would be annihialated just like the Democrats. Businesses are collapsing under the austerity measures and this is exactly what will happen in QLD over the next 12 months as the public service cuts, hit all aspects of small business.

  32. Shane, which compares with the carbon tax…

    The other dire predictions, from Senator Barnaby Joyce’s $100 roasts to the assertion by the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, that the South Australian steel town of Whyalla would be ”wiped off the map”, are stubbornly refusing to come true.

    The prices of beef and lamb have fallen since June, according to Meat and Livestock Australia. Last week a 1.7-kilogram leg of lamb from Woolworths online was going for just over $18.

    Meanwhile, Whyalla’s main employer, Arrium – previously OneSteel – has been the target of an Asian takeover bid, a vote of confidence in the steel industry. The independent mayor, Jim Pollock, says the town is ”kicking goals”.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/carbon-tax-not-all-it-was-cooked-up-to-be-20121007-277be.html#ixzz28fXHQMCx

  33. How Margie Abbott has been co-opted by the Liberal spin machine.
    ——–
    Mobius & Min,
    I thought that a good post too.

    N’

  34. Shane, well said…tho I think Labour is ahead by 14 pts in some polls:

    I hope you are watching with interest the recession the UK is now in, as a result of the slash and burn tactics of the Tories and now the toxic and poisonous relations between them and the their coalition partner who is seeking to have the rich pay more again with the tories against the idea. The Labour party in the UK is now 10 points ahead in the polls and the tories governing partner the liberal alliance would be annihialated just like the Democrats. Businesses are collapsing under the austerity measures and this is exactly what will happen in QLD over the next 12 months as the public service cuts, hit all aspects of small business.

  35. Time to get our democracy back from Murdoch…no more Murdochracy.

    Focus on the Murdoch empire with all you’ve got.

    N’

  36. I think you’re spot on Miglo, especially when you watch yesterday’s episode of Insiders. Just about the entire program was spent re-writing Abbott’s personal history of aggression towards women.

    Though it will be interesting to see how the media responds when Abbott refuses to answer questions that require detail on policy pronouncements, and walks away from press conferences he calls.

  37. Nas’ and,

    Time to get our democracy back from Murdoch…no more Murdochracy.

    The thing which came to mind is that the times are rapidly changing. The Murdochracy’s day is done. They had the choice to participate in the changing media scene instead of attempting to cling to their power base, plus to use their status as “the news” to manipulate public opinion. Their choice was power.

    So far, their attempts to denigrate and obliterate the alternative media have come to nothing. It is they who must change, because the alternative media is growing and quickly…

  38. shaneinqld
    October 8, 2012 @ 9:00 am

    Iain

    If governments aim to spend no more than they receive in revenue, there would be no snowy mountains scheme, no opera house, no harbour bridge and countless other buldings, infrastructure and amenities all over the world which contribute to our lifestyle and economy. Spending no more than you earn creates no visions but rather a here and now attitude and framework. Our politicians have been hijacked by the posturing of spend no more than you earn for over 15 years now and hence very little infrastructure, vision for the future and the short term immediate effect of tax cuts for the wealthy applied with pressure from the elite, rather than using increasing revenue to build and plan. All to simply win the next election. Greed has become the driving factor now, not vision or forward thinking.

    Shane there is a big difference between investing in something of value with borrowed money and borrowing money to pay fopr recurrent costs. I would argue that something like the snowy mountains scheme created something of value but the majority of things that the borrowed cash has been spent on by Team Labor have given us nothing but useless tat and debt

    shaneinqld
    October 8, 2012 @ 9:06 am

    Iain

    If you enjoy nastiness, partisan politics and disgraceful comments leading to whipped up hysteria, then yes shock jocks are entertainers.

    I think that you misunderstand the meaning of the term “entertainer” in this context Shane. It does not matter what sort of response we feel towards these performers we just have to understand that they are playing a part.

    I would much rather listen to an even handed debate full of logic and fact to get ones point of view across, than resort to hate, hysteria and partisan points of view. I also end the experience with a calm decision instead of a headache.They claim freedom of speech but are more than happy to silence callers who criticise, with the disconnect button, they state that is their right, but then claim I have no right to boycott an advertiser who advertises on a programme I disagree with. They pull out the freedom card only when it suits their agenda, a lot like the racist card being thrown in peoples faces at times.

    The thing is Shane if Jones is silenced by this mob mentality how long will it be before the same sort of “social media pressure” is mobilised against the minions of the left in the media that YOU might endorse? Its a nasty place that we are headed for if this campaign works and I say that as someone who loathes Jones. Its all about consequences and you might find that you don’t like them at all.

    Patricia Ryan
    October 8, 2012 @ 9:19 am

    shaneinqld is absolutely correct to say there is no way someone can debate with these shock jocks as the piss off button is hit the minute any facts start to surface and then the personal abuse starts to kick in. If you don’t sing their song then you are kicked to the kerb. There is no freedom of speech with these cowards and they get away with lie after filthy lie day in day out and are rarely held accountable for their putrid verbals of decent people.

    The funny thing is that lefties are just as prone to being selective are are the right and you forget taht no one is forced to listen to anyone that they don’t like on the radio.

    Marcus
    October 8, 2012 @ 9:22 am

    Oh, newsflash, Iain is coming to the defense of the most mean-spirited & pathetic Opposition in Australian history.

    No M you are wrong on both counts, The opposition are serious people certainly but “mean spirited” they aren’t , secondly to be “pathetic” the opposition would have to be utterly ineffectual but the reality is that they have been effective enough to consistently lead the government in the polling for the last two years

    Gee, never saw *that* coming. BTW, please spare us your attempts at projection-Labor is giving us the National Broadband Network, has tripled the tax-free threshold, is bringing in Denticare, has brought in Paid Maternity Leave, has placed a price on pollution, is seeking to spread the benefits of the mining boom over a broader section of the community, is investing heavily in public education & public health (after a decade of Howard cutting funding to these areas), has helped to deliver a combination of the lowest unemployment, inflation & interest rates. Has given us an economy still in growth, is helping to wean the wealthy off of expensive welfare schemes (like the Child Care & Health Insurance rebates), in order to bring our budget back into surplus (though I don’t care much if they fail to achieve that goal-as I think surpluses have been massively overstated by the Right Wing media). Now, please do tell us what policies of Abbott are making you so desperate to vote for him in the next election. I bet you’ve got NOTHING, because Abbott has got NOTHING!

    Gee there is nothing like reading out the Gillard/Swan Labor cheat sheet. But nearly everyone of your virtues is undelivered “gunna” stuff which may or may not turn out to be good stuff for the nation.

    Marcus
    October 8, 2012 @ 9:25 am

    BTW, Iain, I assume then that you saved the entire price of your house before you entered the housing market? I mean, if debt is such an evil, then no doubt you’d be rabidly opposed to having a mortgage. Oh, & what about those irresponsible businesses that get loans in order to make investments in infrastructure & the like? Once again, Iain, your only role on this blog site is to show how ignorant you & your fellow Right Wingers actually are!

    No actually I did borrow money to buy may place and I managed to pay down that 25 year mortgage in a decade precisely because I hate debt so much and i know how much it enslaves you.

  39. Might have to start a #boycottQ&A if Christopher Pyne, house stand-up comic continues to sit down with Tony Jones every other week. Are there no other voices? Cafe should start a campaign to get you on there Migs. I feel a petition coming on!

  40. Mr. Abbott has a new three word slogan, which I am sure we are going to hear more of. “father three daughters”

    I have to tell Mr. Abbott, that many have achieved that. I, myself, three daughters and one son. I would like to remind him, they are now adults.

    We have Abbott now handing out promises of money every day. Some which have little to do with the Commonwealth. Sounds good.

    Pondering on Mr. Abbott’s recent doings, I have a vision of what they could mean.

    Surely Mr. Abbott could not be embarking on a year long, full on election campaign, With the weekends over the top, I am a devoted and loving family man, whose wife, sisters, mother and daughters think the sun shines out of his arse, plus the daily promises of gifts being made, wherever he travels..

    That could not possibly be the case, at least I hope not.

  41. Its a nasty place that we are headed for if this campaign works

    It’s nothing compared to what we will get if it doesn’t

  42. Iain and,

    The thing is Shane if Jones is silenced by this mob mentality how long will it be before the same sort of “social media pressure” is mobilised against the minions of the left in the media that YOU might endorse?

    Since when did people exercising their democratic right to voice an opinion equate with a “mob mentality”. The right has a long and less than distinguished history of attempting to silence dissenting opinions..ever tried having an opinion published on an Andrew Bolt blog?

  43. I should add, clearly the alternative media wouldn’t be going from strength to strength if the MSM had been living up to expectations of impartiality and balance.

    That is, TUFF if the MSM don’t like it, they only have themselves to blame.

  44. @ Iain.

    “secondly to be “pathetic” the opposition would have to be utterly ineffectual”. Typical Right Wing propaganda from you-as usual. The only thing the Opposition has been “effective” at is Grandstanding & sloganeering. They’ve been utterly ineffectual when it comes to articulating an alternative vision for Australia (well, one which doesn’t involve creating a massive budget black hole), utterly ineffectual when it comes to modifying/blocking government legislation & utterly ineffectual when it comes to getting Ministers to explain policies-instead choosing to just focus all their attention on 2 or 3 Ministers (Wayne Swan & Gillard, usually). Still, the Opposition does have the record for the most SOSO’s-which are nothing more than an excuse for them to rant, rave & repeat pointless slogans-an utter waste of tax-payers money!

    “Gee there is nothing like reading out the Gillard/Swan Labor cheat sheet. But nearly everyone of your virtues is undelivered “gunna” stuff”

    Once again, Iain, you choose to display your total ignorance. Carbon Price & MRRT have already been delivered, as has the trebling of the tax-free threshold; Denticare is in the process of being put in place; the NBN is being rolled out as we speak, increased investment in public health & education has been ongoing since 2007, as has the means testing of Welfare for the Rich. Trials for the NDIS are soon to kick off-in spite of attempts by the Conservatives to sabotage the trial. The good economic data I mentioned is also happening right now. I find it hilarious though that you can’t accept that I was able to meet your challenge, whilst you’ve utterly FAILED to provide a good reason why you’ll support an Abbott led Opposition-other than the fact that you’re a Right Wing SHEEP!

  45. Just hilarious how the Right think a rowdy mob of less than 1,000 people-bitching & moaning about putting a price on carbon-is “democracy in action”, yet over 100,000 people using their purchasing power & social networking to bring about just outcomes is “mob rule”. The Far Right are really nothing but a bunch of ignorant hypocrites!

  46. Iain, I noticed you didn’t answer Marcus’s question, except with this,

    From Iain.Gee there is nothing like reading out the Gillard/Swan Labor cheat sheet. But nearly everyone of your virtues is undelivered “gunna” stuff which may or may not turn out to be good stuff for the nation.

    Iain, what is “undelivered gunna stuff”

    From Marcus

    Now, please do tell us what policies of Abbott are making you so desperate to vote for him in the next election. I bet you’ve got NOTHING, because Abbott has got NOTHING!

    Now Iain why don’t you answer Marcus’s Question, and what everyone here has asked you, why would Tony Abbott be a better PM

  47. Now it is crime, law and order. The imagination of this man and party is hooking into the death of that ABC employee a couple of weeks ago.

    it started off with demanding money for the Bali survivors at the celebrations..

    Wonder where he now stands with disaster levies.

    Yes, acting as father of three adult daughters would do,

    Of course the inference is, that the PM, having no children could possibly understand what the father of three daughters does.

    The PM appears to understand the needs of her niece and nephew, but I suppose that is different. Being a good and caring aunt cannot count.

    We have had promises for roads, especially those that Labor has refused to fund as the states demand., Something like 80-20, the states the smaller amount. Not a bad deal if one can get it.

    Ten million over four years for street security, across the country, I would hope, does not appear that much. Sounds good, that is all that counts.

    Wonder what he will promise to fund tomorrow. We must not forget, he is the father of three daughters.

  48. Abbott has money for CCTV (populist pap) but doubts we can fund National Disability Insurance Scheme or govt school education. CU – he’s doing for the daughters.

  49. Is this what we have to look forward to,

    …………..18pm: Education correspondent Bianca Hall has been keeping a close eye on the Prime Minister’s Facebook chat. The event appears to be heading full speed to charm central.

    Advertisement
    Here’s Bianca:

    A Facebook question-and-answer session hosted by the Prime Minister descended into personal abuse today, as the row over Alan Jones’ comments about Julia Gillard’s family continues to rage.

    Participants in the online event made sexist and at times lecherous comments about Ms Gillard, with one even asking her: How’s your dad?…

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/blogs/the-pulse/politics-live-october-8-2012-20121008-277xl.html?reload=true

  50. On the three daughters, expect this one to be pushed and pushed.. Not that sexism comes into it (much..sarcasm alert), but it’s going to be continuously written into the subtext ..the deliberately barren “she” versus well, what shall we call Tony….

  51. I think people will start to get sick of the liberal party and tony abbott pushing his family into the limelight just to satisfy the female vote, I for one am getting sick of it already.

  52. I predict we’re going to start seeing publicity shots of Abbott in an unaccustomed pose. Seated on a rock, one elbow on his knees, chin in hand, look of studied concentration on his face.

    The remake of Abbott from simian sub-100 IQ thug to sensitive New Age thinker would be an arduous assignment for anyone. But if anyone is up to the challenge, it’s the Liberal Spin Machine. Passing off shit as sugar since 2004.

  53. I think people will start to get sick of the liberal party and tony abbott pushing his family into the limelight just to satisfy the female vote,”

    I would not do it if it was me. But Labor has decided to attack the man. Labor did the same against Cambell Newman. Labor sounds like a desperate political party who are afraid of Abbott. Labor would prefer Turnbull as leader because they would know how to handle him. However with Abbott they just lash out.

    It appears that this Abbott is anti-woman crap has been imported from Britain. It shows how low Labor is when they get their women MP’s to tell lies about Abbott.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/johnmcternan1/100109638/labours-reshuffle-gives-david-cameron-even-more-of-a-woman-problem/

    Labour’s reshuffle gives David Cameron even more of a woman problem

  54. Iain

    Are you capable of understanding I have no allegiance to the left or the right. I have no allegiance to left shock jocks or right shock jocks. I have voted all different parties. I am not a rusted on one sided political voter.

    Now having said that can you remove all your leftoid hating and right wing support and just absorb my comments.

    Alan Jones comments are nasty and unforgiveable. I could not care less if he was left, right or a communist. They are unforgiveable. The uproar is by the middle of the road sensible people who see the comments for what they are, bitter nasty, vindictive and totally reprehensible. However those on the right seem to think they are not that bad, or easily overlooked, or easily forgiveable. Those on the right seem to rthink it is a leftoid vendetta just because it is against a right wing shock jock.

    Those in the middle would be outraged at anyone who said these words and the fallout would be the same. Just becuase the left are taking advantage does not make it their boat. the right also take utter glee at anything that goes wrong for the left.

    The problem is this is a real bad one for the right wing side of politics and as such the shock jocks and extremists are now trying to lay the blame at the left instead of at the perpetrator. Do you remember the Canberra antics of Alan Jones and the lies about the police. When middle voters draw the line it is time to stop and take notice. While the middle road voters withdraw from slanging matches, they don’t forget who slung the shit in the first place.

  55. Neil

    If labour in the UK has a shuffle and that gives David Camerons Tories more of a woman problem then that is the Tories problem and not Labours. It also shows the insecurity of the Tories. However the problem with the Tories is that their slash and burn austerity measures are destroying the economy as it plunges into recession.

  56. Shane,

    One small point: There is no such thing as a left wing shock jock. Shock jockery is a 100 per cent right-wing media genre. The rest of the media – maybe about 80 per cent.

  57. You really can’t make this stuff up. NOS do you actually read or listen to anything in the media? The coalition has been lambasting the Labor party 24/7 aided and abetted by a media they own, since the election.

    As for the Labor party attacking the man, are you ill or something? The coalition has had a personal vendetta against Julia Gillard since she was the P.M.

    I have a hot flash for you, the Labor party is going to win the next election, granted Alan Jones has helped by showing the public that were wavering and contemplating voting for Tony Abbott, what a shower of shit houses they really are.

    You like the other conservative Neanderthals that get on this blog, were cock sure your man was in the lodge.Well sorry it ain’t gonna happen. It is dollars to donuts they are going to shaft Abbott and put Turnbull in. If that comes to pass, and he wins, your victory will be shallow indeed. All the squawking about how good Abbott was will be just a load of hot air.

  58. As to why shock jocks appeal to a right wing audience. That’s the end of the political spectrum likely to be lesser educated, more credulous, more accepting of being told “what” to think. Susceptible to paranoia, class envy (expressed about those above and below themselves), delusions of persecution. From the older demographic, usuallly having great trouble adjusting to the inevitable movements and change that come with the passing of time.

  59. DOes anyone else find it amusing that Abbott is being transformed into Dear Leader (or is it Eternal Leader)? Next you know he will be winning every marathon he enters and that afternoon completing a round of golf scoring the new course record under par.

    Welcome to North Korea – LNP style. 🙂

  60. As for the Labor party attacking the man, are you ill or something?

    No I am fine. Labor has been playing the man not the ball.

    It was the race riots which originated from Gillards office. I cannot believe that Tony Hodges acted all by himself. Labor has been down and dirty and making personal attacks against Abbott.

    Labor has been setting the tone of the debate by making personal attacks.

  61. Neil

    Abbott has been setting the tone since the day the independents denied him the lodge. A nasty, bitter, negative , spiteful tone as he lost. Afterall even his wife said he has to make everything a competition. He has been waging a competition of negativism ever since.

  62. It was the race riots which originated from Gillards office

    Gillards office made tabot say those things about the Embassy? 😯

  63. Tom R
    October 8, 2012 @ 3:27 pm

    Its a nasty place that we are headed for if this campaign works

    It’s nothing compared to what we will get if it doesn’t

    Tom
    Just imagine its David Marr in the firing line…

    Min
    October 8, 2012 @ 3:32 pm

    Iain and,

    The thing is Shane if Jones is silenced by this mob mentality how long will it be before the same sort of “social media pressure” is mobilised against the minions of the left in the media that YOU might endorse?

    Since when did people exercising their democratic right to voice an opinion equate with a “mob mentality”. The right has a long and less than distinguished history of attempting to silence dissenting opinions..ever tried having an opinion published on an Andrew Bolt blog?

    Well I have had comments published on Bolt’s blog and I have had them rejected as well The campaign against Jones has gone far beyond the exercise of democratic rights Min, advertisers have been deluged with abusive emails and phone calls.

    Min
    October 8, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

    I should add, clearly the alternative media wouldn’t be going from strength to strength if the MSM had been living up to expectations of impartiality and balance.

    “impartiality and balance” have always been illusory at best in all media including the ABC and the so called “alternative media” is of less value that its fans think

    Marcus
    October 8, 2012 @ 4:27 pm

    @ Iain.

    “secondly to be “pathetic” the opposition would have to be utterly ineffectual”. Typical Right Wing propaganda from you-as usual. The only thing the Opposition has been “effective” at is Grandstanding & sloganeering.

    The consistent lead in the Polls suggest otherwise mate. But You keep telling yourself that if it makes you happy 🙄

    They’ve been utterly ineffectual when it comes to articulating an alternative vision for Australia (well, one which doesn’t involve creating a massive budget black hole), utterly ineffectual when it comes to modifying/blocking government legislation & utterly ineffectual when it comes to getting Ministers to explain policies-instead choosing to just focus all their attention on 2 or 3 Ministers (Wayne Swan & Gillard, usually). Still, the Opposition does have the record for the most SOSO’s-which are nothing more than an excuse for them to rant, rave & repeat pointless slogans-an utter waste of tax-payers money!

    They don’t have the numbers in the house so they can’t stop legislation (if they had the numbers they would be the government wouldn’t they? Doh!) As for their “alternative vision” all most of us want is government who will be a “safe pair of hands” that won’t engage in stupid ideological cavorts like the Carbon Tax, wasteful programs like the BER ect ect Idiocy like the ongoing SNAFU over boat arrivals is one of the worst examples of waste and it is all down to Labor.


    “Gee there is nothing like reading out the Gillard/Swan Labor cheat sheet. But nearly everyone of your virtues is undelivered “gunna” stuff”

    Once again, Iain, you choose to display your total ignorance. Carbon Price & MRRT have already been delivered, as has the trebling of the tax-free threshold; Denticare is in the process of being put in place; the NBN is being rolled out as we speak, increased investment in public health & education has been ongoing since 2007, as has the means testing of Welfare for the Rich. Trials for the NDIS are soon to kick off-in spite of attempts by the Conservatives to sabotage the trial.

    From the top of your grab bag of “virtues”
    The Carbon Tax is a “gunna” because its “gunna” make a difference to the Climate (if you believe that you must be IQ minus!) 🙄
    The MRRT has so far not collected any revenue and with the down turn in minerals prices it may never come anywhere near doing what Swan claims it will provide , so that makes it a “gunna”
    As for the Tax free threshold well its something I endorse but that is just one small plus in a sea of negatives
    Denticare is a promise to be delivered after the next election so its a definite “Gunna”
    The NBN is behind schedule and way over budget and its benefits are all, at this stage hypothetical, so that makes it a “Gunna” too.

    spending on Health and education is very popular with the ALP but its often more about appearances than outcomes and its always “gunna” make our lives better But somehow it never seems to do much no matter how much is spent

    The good economic data I mentioned is also happening right now. I find it hilarious though that you can’t accept that I was able to meet your challenge, whilst you’ve utterly FAILED to provide a good reason why you’ll support an Abbott led Opposition-other than the fact that you’re a Right Wing SHEEP!
    Marcus
    October 8, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

    Just hilarious how the Right think a rowdy mob of less than 1,000 people-bitching & moaning about putting a price on carbon-is “democracy in action”, yet over 100,000 people using their purchasing power & social networking to bring about just outcomes is “mob rule”. The Far Right are really nothing but a bunch of ignorant hypocrites!
    paulwello
    October 8, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

    Iain, I noticed you didn’t answer Marcus’s question, except with this,

    From Iain.Gee there is nothing like reading out the Gillard/Swan Labor cheat sheet. But nearly everyone of your virtues is undelivered “gunna” stuff which may or may not turn out to be good stuff for the nation.

    Iain, what is “undelivered gunna stuff”

    From Marcus

    Now, please do tell us what policies of Abbott are making you so desperate to vote for him in the next election. I bet you’ve got NOTHING, because Abbott has got NOTHING!

    Now Iain why don’t you answer Marcus’s Question, and what everyone here has asked you, why would Tony Abbott be a better PM

  64. Iain

    I dont endorse any minions of the left or the right. Do you actually absorb anything I write. I believe in the actions of the middle of the road voters and their actions would be against any person spouting bile that goes too far. Alan Jones brought this on himself, but as usual the bully cannot see past his nose to recognise he has gone too far.

  65. So Iain, by your definition of “gunna” then all coalition policies are “gunna” as well. The coalition are “gunna” do nothing.

  66. Iain, I can vouch that Shane sits in the middle. He is neither left or right. You come here with many assumptions and act accordingly.

    It might surprise you to learn that even the lefties here, myself included, are not as rusted on as you’d think. If we feel the government is deserved of some criticism then we’ll say it.

    I do not hear any such condemnation from the right towards their party, no matter how open to criticism they might be.

  67. So far, their attempts to denigrate and obliterate the alternative media have come to nothing. It is they who must change, because the alternative media is growing and quickly…
    ——–
    Min,
    exactly. In fact the more they refer to “cyber-bullying and use implied threats to clamp down on the blogs, social network sites, tweeters, the more passionate those users become…and the more it peaks the curiousity of the part-time & non-users. Galvanising many into reluctant and unusual alliances, determined in common pursuit to speak our mind, let our knowledge and ideas and views be heard.

    I recall a time when Peter Costello and his running scared team banned Crikey from the budget papers’ lockup…it was a blundering & unsuccessful attempt to stymie the growth of the alternative online-based media. Crikey gained traction.

    In a similar over-reaching fashion News Ltd outed Grog’s Gamut as public servant Greg Jericho…he has gone from strength to strength.

    This is an inevitable process of change…exponential growth in media and news filtering sites and individuals outside the mainstream system…eventually working their way to “the inside” that they partially help create and transform.

    The Murdochracy is on its last legs…flailing away…desperate for attention…and seeking credibility…yet unable to extricate itself from its ‘tabloid’ reputation…and the sense by a growing mass of public that it is an opportunistic, top-down controlled Limited News organisation, the plaything of Rupert and children, a candy shop for a wannabe great dynasty…and at this present time partisan political Liberal propaganda machine.

    The perfect greedy media entity and multi-tentacled empire for an alternative media and news filtering system to revolt against…and grow & benefit from.

    🙂

    N’

  68. @ Iain. If your only definition of “being effective” is merely leading in the polls, then you’re even more pathetic than that sad-sack of a political party you’ve welded yourself to. The only reason the Coalition has remained ahead in the polls is because the media has failed to do its job of holding both parties equally to account-with the Murdoch Press being especially Partisan. Notice how the moment the press actually start asking *hard* questions, all the Coalition people go completely to water? That & the failure of Abbott’s “Carbon Tax” scare campaign are why the polling gap has narrowed so much. A truly effective Opposition-like the Labor Opposition in 1996-2001 & 2004-2007-would be able to attain a lead in the polls without having the media effectively in its pocket. The fact is that if an Opposition isn’t truly active in the process of government-such as properly debating bills, amending bills, scrutinizing *all* elements of government policy & formulating their own, alternative vision for the Country, then they’re not effective at all, & are in fact nothing more than a waste of tax-payers money. Still, wouldn’t expect a Coalition Lemming like yourself to understand such a simple distinction between “effective” & “opportunistic”.

  69. Oh &, Iain, you still haven’t answered my question. Could it be that, aside from his political leanings, you can’t think of *anything* that would make Abbott a more worthy candidate for Prime Minister?

  70. Iain, if the NBN is going to be a “gunna” as you say, maybe these experts have got it all wrong then.

    http://nbnmyths.wordpress.com/what-do-the-experts-say/

    maybe the Government and these companies have got it wrong as well.

    IT more valuable than mining, says Gillard

    The Digital Economy Forum was attended by major Internet companies such as Google (whose local MD Nick Leeder penned a column on it this morning in the Financial Review newspaper), Facebook, and PayPal, as well as software giants such as Microsoft, and other local businesses active in the technology sector such as the Commonwealth Bank of Australia, Australia Post and Virgin Australia. A number of technology-related startups such as Shoes of Prey, Nicko’s Kitchen and Birdsnest also attended.

    The news comes as a number of major companies have recently kicked off substantial datacentre investments in Australia, with a number of them citing the development of the NBN as a stimulant for investment in the space. In June, for example, global cloud computing player and retailer Amazon confirmed that it had added an ‘edge’ location in Sydney to speed up the delivery of content to Australians, confirming a deployment model which was the subject of speculation some 12 months ago. In addition, other companies such as HP, NEXTDC and Metronode have recently launched major new datacentre facilities locally, as has US giant Rackspace.

    Seeing you say the Government is “gunna” do nothing with the NBN, I for one am looking forward to this “gunna” do nothing Government.

  71. “The Carbon Tax is a “gunna” because its “gunna” make a difference to the Climate (if you believe that you must be IQ minus!)”

    Wow, if that’s all you think a PRICE on Carbon (not a tax, you imbecile) is about, then you’re the one with the negative IQ. It’s about Australia being part of a *global* solution-not merely to climate change, but to the shift away from highly polluting, non-renewable sources of energy. Still, wouldn’t expect a Right Wing dill to understand any of that.

    As for your claims re the MRRT, got any *facts* to back your claims, or are you just channeling your lord & master-Tony Abbott?

    “spending on Health and education is very popular with the ALP but its often more about appearances than outcomes and its always “gunna” make our lives better But somehow it never seems to do much no matter how much is spent”

    Yet another statement of yours which is utterly unbacked by *facts*. At least health & education didn’t go BACKWARDS like it did under your beloved John Howard. Intelligent people (aka, not Right Wing morons like yourself, Iain) understand that increased funding for Public Health & Education doesn’t always yield immediate benefits-but is more of a long-term investment. Unlike your moronic, Right Wing mates who’ve pumped tens of billions of dollars into propping up the bottom lines of the major health insurance companies-even though it did *nothing* to increase Health Fund Membership, reduce insurance costs or reduce the length of waiting lists for elective surgery. A classic example of one of Howard’s “Gunna” policies (another one was the Childcare Rebate).

    Once again, Iain, it appears that your only purpose here is to prove to everyone here just how utterly *dense* those on the Far Right truly are.

  72. NBN hey

    “We must bear in mind that this is a company which is heavily involved in eight of nine NBN roll-outs around the world,” Mr Robb said.

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/opposition-slams-nbn-exclusion-of-huawei-20120326-1vtly.html

    Incompetent bloody Labor

    OOPS

    CHINESE communications and technology giant Huawei has been branded a threat to United States national security.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/chinese-telco-seen-as-security-threat-20121006-276dm.html#ixzz28hkwXvpq

  73. Paul, from your link:

    Personal support for the Liberal leader lifted slightly, despite a campaign from Labor ministers attacking Mr Abbott over his problem in dealing with women and seeking to link him to distasteful remarks about the death of Julia Gillard’s father by radio shock jock Alan Jones.

    They just make this shit up, don’t they?

  74. I mean the poll means nothing, but our right wing butterflies will make something out of it, as it states if an election were held on the weekend, but the election is not for another 12 months, and that is the poll that counts.

    I think it lifted slightly because of Abbott’s wife and family, so what.

  75. with 113,005 supporters……….. over 200 in less than an hour…… keep it up Liberal Party Spin Machine and 2GB….. it’s working 😉 as it should ……. some call it Karma…… some say ‘good’ wins over ‘evil’ 👿 …. where I say your just a bunch of up yourself jerks that are getting (what your type always get )…. your just desserts’…… oh and by the way .*.look over there* bwwaaha-ha ( by the way bwwaaha-ha is not bullying ) 😆

  76. The numbers slowed for a while there though…. then the LNP-2GB spin machine got into gear and whyalla, sorry, Walla ( Voila).. the numbers have been climbing ever since…. tad underestimated the average aussie (again)….. as usual 😉

  77. Tony Abbott is going to be the “gunna” man according to our visitor, because Tony is “gunna” do this, “gunna” do that to be the PM, but our visitor has not said how he is “gunna” do it.

  78. Marcus, I’m afraid that Iain and Neil are impervious to facts and the truth. They are only swayed by arguments filled with factoids, lies, obfuscations and misrepresentations manufactured by orcs deep in the bowels of Menzies House.

    They are hostage to that Liars Party furphy that governments must always produce budget surpluses and that there really is such a thing as the trickle down effect to justify welfare and unwarranted tax cuts to the wealthy.

    That was one of Ronny Raygun’s mantras; that unless government threw money at the rich hand over fist they’d sulk, but that the poor should be exploited and kept on starvation wages because otherwise they wouldn’t show up for their weekly exploitation.

    If government taxed the likes of Gina Rinehart at a rate of 50%, she’d still be obscenely wealthy and would have the warm fuzzy feeling that she was providing not so much a trickle, but more of a strong flow down to the plebs she despises so much.

    Go figure.

    I’ve challenged all manner of dingbats to explain why governments should run surpluses, but so far no joy.

  79. Every commercial news this morning plus the ABC are framing the latest Newspoll as favouring Tony Abbott as if they are a personal improvement for him, when they aren’t. Gillard is still ahead as preferred Prime Minister, meaning Margaret Abbott failed.

    Julia Gillard has improved further on her strongly recovering personal ratings last time, holding steady on approval at 36% and dropping two on disapproval to 50%, producing her best net approval rating since April last year.

    Every news bulletin except the ABC has reported the wild Newspoll swing back to the Coalition as all Margie Abbott’s doing.

    In the meantime the much less erratic Essential poll has the slow and steady trend in polling favouring Labor still continuing.

  80. In the meantime the much less erratic Essential poll has the slow and steady trend in polling favouring Labor still continuing.

    The trend in newspoll is the same, ignoring the wild fluctuations. The last one was a wild jump up, this one is a wild jump back. But the trend remains upward for labor, which is what counts over the long run.

    Slowly, slowly, catchee 😉

  81. Jane, I agree with you on that the visitors will not give an answer, I have tried the same question, still awaiting on an answer as to why tony abbott would make a better PM, but I ain’t “gunna” get one.

  82. “Abbott himself doesn’t even know how he’s gunna do things.”

    Yes he does, he’s already said it, he’s going to do what Newman has done but on a grander scale. In other words he’s going to destroy everything.

    Also proves he hasn’t got any original ideas, either having to go back to Howard policies or steal State ones.

  83. Swanne is looking ahead, and lining up anyone who gets in his way.

    Good on him for alling a hypocrit a hypocrit

    If Mr Sheehan can’t grasp the pathetic hypocrisy of devoting an entire column to labelling myself and Anthony Albanese as sewer and gutter dwellers, while simultaneously bemoaning the lack of civility in our public debate, then he should put away his pen for good.

    If he was serious about analysing the recent debasement of public discourse in Australia, he should reflect on the acres of partisan vitriol and abuse hurled by the cabal of unfailingly biased and chronically self-righteous shock-jocks and commentators to which he belongs.

    For my part, I’ll continue to talk up the achievements of our country – such as the strongest economy in the advanced world – as I do every day, while Mr Sheehan and Mr Jones sit on the sidelines contributing little to our country beyond personal denigration.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/letters/peoples-voice-trumps-power-of-the-microphone-20121008-279c4.html#ixzz28k1ZtPvO

  84. Apparently Gillard copped some real nasty abuse in her online Q&A.

    I don’t care how the right wingers here attempt to dress it up, throw in straw men and attempt to say the abuse is on both sides currently it’s the right who have descended into the nastiest and most base levels of political discourse seen.

    As much as Howard had some abuse thrown at him it never denigrated to this base level of constant nastiness and personal abuse as we are seeing leveled at Gillard.

    And it all sheets home to Abbott, no matter what his wife says about him, as he is the one who has encouraged it and condones it by refusing to behave in a more civil manner befitting a potential PM and by not outright condemning it, instead using mamby pamby words as half baked excuses for the abuse.

  85. My big question is do Newspoll results include Mobile Phones yet?

    If not then they are skewed. I have many clients who only have Mobile Phones and no landline. These clients are the younger demographic and if their opinions are not included the result is skewed to the elderly. While the result may be the same or even better for the conservatives, with the decline in landlines Newspoll needs to include mobiles as a percentage of the true representation of the communication medium in Australia.

  86. Apparently Gillard copped some real nasty abuse in her online Q&A.

    Apparently Ellis copped some real nasty abuse in her actual Q&A.

    just a taste of the comments, which makes me wonder if it is worth tuning in to it later on today?

    or

  87. Also, not sure if it is the best idea for the opposition to harp on about Slipper being a misogynist considering he was preselected by them three times. Wasn’t he tabots best friend too? Something about best-man? These people really do expect us to swallow a pile of….

  88. Shane @8.03am..no, only landlines. And precisely, due to the younger demographic having mobiles only, they are tending to be increasingly under-represented in phone polls.

  89. As much as Howard had some abuse thrown at him it never denigrated to this base level of constant nastiness and personal abuse as we are seeing leveled at Gillard.

    I think you will find that Howard got plenty of nasty abuse. You just do not like it when Gillard gets some.

    I remember there was some play written by Hannie Rayson which proclaimed that Costello was a mass murderer. In the play the minister lets asylum seekers drown rather than have them saved by the navy. The play was an obvious reference to SIEVX.

    I lay the nasty tone at the feet of the ALP who have been playing nasty for years. It looks like McTernan brought this Abbott hates women stuff from the UK. He tried the same thing on David Cameron. Same goes for the race riots that Gillards office started. It is unlikely Tony Hodges did what he did without authority. It appears that Abbotts location was revealed because Gillards office wanted some violence done to him.

    Gillard also tried to stuff up Abbotts plan to go to Afghanistan on his way home from England. She made it known that she offered him a seat to go with her knowing all along it is against protocol to the PM and Opposition leader to be together in a war zone and knowing all along he was going to visit the troops on his way back.

  90. Latika Bourke on ABC news 24 interviewed Sophie Mirrabella on Peter Slipper texts.
    Referring to the texts about Mirabella Latika got to say to Mirabella twice in the one interview “ignorant bitch” . I wonder how many journalists will line up to interview Sophie today?

  91. Min, the people who call this “mob mentality:” also have the same opinions when workers strike, or people take to the streets to protest.

    People uniting scare and should share the daylights of them.

    Now to the protests of Mirabella, whom Slipper trew out of parliament is beyond relief.

    Using the Ashby texts, that have not been release by the court yet, and still allegations,

    Justice demands that one waits for the court to make its decision.

    I feel that the judge might ask what Ashby and his team hoped to achieve with the new evidence they have lodged. The only answer I can come to, is to further blacken Slippers name. Which in a funny way proves Slippers case, that is what they are about.

    Remember that Ashby’s legal team threatened to do this for over a week. I could be a cynic enough, that they where hoping the threat would be enough for Slipper to back off. I do not know what it means, that he has not.

    Must give Mr. Turnbull a tick for his speech last night. Once again going publicity against Abbott and his tactics.

    PS. Mirabella was given a little bit of a hard time ABC24 Interview. Suggested if Slipper was so bad, why did they not get rid of him. Questioned her if what Slipper has said, was the worse she had heard.

    It suggests that the comments might not be as bad as portrayed. At the most, private sexual talk between two men.

    I believe it is the judge’s role to decide who is grooming who, The answer will be interesting.

    What we have seen so far, can be read two ways, Either for Slipper or Ashby.

    Time to decide the Slipper matter is when the court makes it;s decision.

    We do not know what it means, until put in context.

  92. I have seen economist, more than one. say, Australia would have been in a better position to cope with the GFC and now, if Rudd had not made and kept the promises to continue on with the Howard tax cuts,

    It is said that those tax cuts, that mostly benefited the upper income earners, led to structural problems within the economy,

    That combined with Howard’s GST, which has not delivered what he promised, has made it harder to bring the budget back to surplus.

    We get deficits for many reasons. Spending is not the only one. Sometimes, one spends to earn or save money. Howard’s cuts were ideology, and made regardless to the needs of the economy.

    The wealthy, through the ages have always objected to paying taxes. What is new.

    A strong and wealthy country, needs the infrastructure and a healthy educated population to thrive.

    Health, education, training and many other institutions, are essentials, not things judge whether we can afford them or not.

    The waste is when we abandon the quest for a better society.

    Governments are there to serve the nation, to make decisions that are in the best interest of all,

  93. Remember, Bob Ellis has been putting out outrageous stories for years. His influence today carries so little weight, that none bother to reply. It would be a full time job doing so.

    He is seen in some eyes, including mine, in the same light as the trolls that visited us on a regular basis, One ignores them and gets on with life.

    Yes, there are bitter, old men on both sides. Which is a shame, especially when they trash a good reputation to do so.

    They are yesterday’s men.

    Sorry I got the wrong Ellis. Still the comment stands.

    Yes, she got a hard time last night, If one watches, not e the arrogant poses of Pierce who sits beside her, He did not get a chance to spout his bile, Wanted to talk about Thomson and Slipper all night. Watch the way he pumps himself up. It is comical.

    Pyne, his annoying bad manner self.

  94. Australia’s economy has jumped to 12th largest in the world, something Howard could not achieve in a decade plus of record surpluses.

    You cannot grow economies by not spending. Thus an Abbott government going on what he’s promising will send Australia backwards, blaming Labor all the way as they always do.

    Whenever the Liberals royally stuff up, which is often, as they are doing in spades in the States, it’s never their fault. Howard was the greatest shirker of blame this country had ever seen, all the while saying he took full responsibility whilst sheeting off responsibility to everyone and everything but himself.

  95. Shorter Neil.

    Just go back to any post anywhere and you will find the same unfounded claims and nonsensical bitching about Labor repeated over and again.

    He’s permanently stuck on the Liberal party spin cycle.

  96. “Opposition leader to be together in a war zone and knowing all along he was going to visit the troops on his way back.”

    Wrong, wrong wrong,

    Is not true. Abbott is not deputy leader, He is leader of the Opposition, Swan would take over from Gillard. Bishop from Abbott and things would go on as usual.

    This happened when as am example, that PM drowned. Would not changed things in any way, if the Opposition leader of the time was with him.

    Wonder if they will travel to Bali together.

    By the same token, they do not have to travel together and it appears choose not to.

  97. Tony Burke die ABC 24 to talk on fresh modelling of the Murray valley.

    Pointed out be the announcer, that SA might end up with nothing for over a decade it they do not agree,

    He also said that the government wanted bipartisan support for this action. Time for Abbott to get on board The country cannot afford for nothing to be done,

  98. Cu, you are perfectly correct, plus we are not the US where the President and Vice President are not permitted to travel (anywhere) on the same flight. But that is because the President is also Commander in Chief, which our Prime Minister is not.

    Abbott’s decision not to travel with the PM was purely grandstanding by Abbott.

  99. with 113,271 supporters @…..12.14am
    now 12 and a bit hours later…. with 113,974 supporters…. 700 more….. people still voiceing their “poll” …

  100. Hi Shane, a mobile phone is not allowed to be phoned by pollsters as some users have plans where they can be charged for calls made to them.

  101. Min, the President and Vice President are also elected. Are mentioned in their Constitution. The same is not true for us.

    They Founding Fathers did not see it necessary to do so,

    it is the numbers on the floor of the lower house, of elected MP’s that elect a leader, who in practice is what we call PM.

    If both leaders of the party go down together, the numbers in the house will not be changed, at least until by elections are held.

  102. It is the next polls that will be interesting. When we see the reactions of the public to Abbott and Jones shennagians.

    Is it the Essential poll that is taken over an extended time and averaged out.

    Most are taken over two or three days, I believe.

  103. Mr Turnbull said on Monday the 2GB radio host had not been the victim of cyberbullying as Jones claimed but new media had allowed thousands of Australians to speak up “unedited and unmediated”.

    2GB has suspended all advertising on Jones’s radio show after dozens of sponsors pulled their advertising as an unprecedented online campaign against Jones grew.

    The anger against the broadcaster was sparked by his comments at a Liberal Party fundraiser that Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s father had “died of shame” over his daughter’s lies to the electorate.

    Delivering the Alfred Deakin lecture entitled Liberty in the Digital Age, Mr Turnbull said Jones had sought to lead people’s revolts for years but was now the target of one.

    The revolt was against “vicious and destructive public discourse”, he said…
    Mr Turnbull said on Monday the 2GB radio host had not been the victim of cyberbullying as Jones claimed but new media had allowed thousands of Australians to speak up “unedited and unmediated”.

    2GB has suspended all advertising on Jones’s radio show after dozens of sponsors pulled their advertising as an unprecedented online campaign against Jones grew.

    The anger against the broadcaster was sparked by his comments at a Liberal Party fundraiser that Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s father had “died of shame” over his daughter’s lies to the electorate.

    Delivering the Alfred Deakin lecture entitled Liberty in the Digital Age, Mr Turnbull said Jones had sought to lead people’s revolts for years but was now the target of one.

    The revolt was against “vicious and destructive public discourse”, he said.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/alan-jones-gets-dose-of-own-medicine-says-malcolm-turnbull/story-fndo4eg9-1226491707732

  104. Just my opinion, but I believe that the Liberals could to have chosen a more high principled person, other than Mirabella, to lead the charge against Slipper.

  105. ……..Deputy Opposition leader Julie Bishop told ABC radio “there are many views about Alan Jones,” when asked about Mr Turnbull’s speech, adding that people did not have the right to stop others exercising freedom of speech.

    When asked whether Mr Turnbull was at odds with the coalition’s stance, she said: “I don’t believe there’s one view about Alan Jones anywhere, let alone within the Coalition.”
    http://www.news.com.au/national/alan-jones-gets-dose-of-own-medicine-says-malcolm-turnbull/story-fndo4eg9-1226491707732

  106. Yes, Mr. Jones, democracy at work. The right of the community to join one another in protest.

    Mr Jones has sought to lead ‘people’s revolts’ for many years. But this was indeed a popular revolt against vicious and destructive public discourse.

    “And while the thousands of tweets would not have affected Mr Jones’ sunny equanimity, they had a marked impact on his advertisers.

    “This should not go unremarked by those, like Julia Gillard, who want greater regulation of newspapers.”

    Mr Turnbull said Jones believed his association with certain products would lead people to buy them.

    “If other people take the view that an association with Jones will lead them not to buy those products, why are they not able to tell the advertiser of their view and encourage others to do the same?”

    Mr Turnbull said the Jones issue highlighted the enhanced freedom afforded to people by social media and bolstered the case against more media regulation.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/alan-jones-gets-dose-of-own-medicine-says-malcolm-turnbull/story-fndo4eg9-1226491707732

  107. Wrong, wrong wrong,”

    It is actually right.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/point-scoring-over-troops-and-breakdown-in-bipartisanship-is-appalling-says-ada/story-e6frg8yo-1225934798761

    Mr James said Mr Abbott had planned to visit Afghanistan before Ms Gillard extended her invitation and there was a longstanding convention that opposition leaders and prime ministers did not visit war zones at the same time.

    It was a low act by Gillard but typical of what she is as a person. She knew all this but tried to make Abbott look stupid. Looks like she succeeded. Gillard is a devious women. I would not trust anything she says. She is a nasty politician and she is setting the tone for debates.

  108. We’ve gone all over that before with you Neil so why do you keep raising the same old things over, is it you have nothing else to defend your deficient Party and nasty hero with?

  109. The Coalition are now like a Tea Party/One Nation/extremist religion rabble. The internal battles must be ferocious…but mainly hidden. Once those polls shift more the place will erupt. The truth will be revealed.

    You can see why the Murdoch empire and its bloody Newspoll and the sycophantic reporting of it is such a problem.

    They distort the playing field…too much manipulation of public perception.

    They are a highly influential Liberal propaganda machine trying to save Tony Abbott’s bacon.

    We need more CHANGE.

    That is why it is important to not just LIKE links and comments on Facebook etc…but SHARE so the WORD gets around.

    N’

  110. Wonder if he has the numbers.

    Well he is not stopping from putting in.

    Albanese has accepted the first motion. That is that the speaker be removed. Stops Abbott from attacking the PM.

    Abbott is raving on he is having problems repeating the words. God, help us.

    Attorney General is not present.

    Evidence by the way, that the judge has not released. Abbott is claiming it has not been denied. It is not suppose to be public knowledge,

    Oh, the hypocrisy.

  111. CU QT is riveting stuff.
    What is with Abbott and female genitalia?
    Opposition have been caught flat footed quickly trying to organise four speakers.

  112. Not that many happy faces behind him.

    PM has stayed in the house. I suspect we are in for some fun.

    Now we are onto sorry, and I was wrong.

  113. What is his fixation?

    I think it is the ALP and its supporters who have started all this nastiness. Race riots trying to get Abbott assaulted, stuffing up his trips to Afghanistan for political purposes.

    And I cannot believe you are still going on about Jones. It is looking more and more like you are using Jones terrible comments for political purposes rather than any sadness at his comments.

    Anything you like, if someone from the ALP said something similar about Abbotts parents it would not get days of exposure on ALP supporting blogs.

  114. Npw Roxon time. Respecting the process of the law and courts.

    Is this outburst respecting due process of the courts.

    He is all over the place. I believe he is losing it.

  115. Talk about a whinge. Now defending Ashby.

    I believe the judge will be interested in this outburst when making decision about this evidence being put forward last week.

    Evidence by the way, they attempted to threaten Slipper with before the mediation session.

    Wonder who will be next in the line of attack.

  116. Member for Banks has resigned from his position.

    Maybe Abbott does have the numbers.

    Wonder will Abbott feel better when he gets the bile off his chest.

  117. “should have have already died of shame”. Did I hear right.

    Is he backiong Jones. Bad choice of words, or is it deliberate.

  118. alan jones coaching shines through.

    We don’t need to associate them with each other, he does it himself

  119. Has anyone counted how many times ashame was used.

    Bishop has a heavy heart talking on the matter.

    Have I missed something, has he been accused of a ghastly murder. I thought at the most, it was sexual talk among two males in private at the most. Was it aimed at any woman, We do not know, because the judge has not released the evidence. What we are getting is cherry pick, innuendo from the Opposition,

    Come on, get back into the real world.

    Bishop says they are available to the public, on a web site. That is true, I believe, but where they came from are unknown, as the judge did not release the evidence.

    Bishop said the were read into the court. Do not recall seeing that anywhere. I was under the belief that they afdivatits put before the court.

    One does not need to wait for the court to make a decision. Yes, one does respect legal procedures.

    It would be nice to know what the remarks are. Maybe Labor will let us in on the secret.

  120. Don’t these tools understand two important facts

    Slipper is a child of the Libs

    The texts in question are still before the court, yet tabot and co have handed down their judgement, and sentence.

    Sure gonna save the judge a lot of bother 😯

  121. Why are the faces of the Opposition back bench so sombre.

    PM looks a little bemused, when looking at Bishop.

    I think they protest too much.

  122. Wow, gloves are off

  123. And Gillard is just listing every sexist comment uttered by tabot, and getting it all on record

    Bare Knuckle stuff

    Even get’s the ‘Browns Bitch’ and tabot in together

  124. Not a very looking Abbott. Why does the Opposition always act as if the PM has no options when she replies.

    Very strong performance.

  125. The PM look s happy. She got Abbott to bite.

    The PM was setting the climate earlier in the day. It easy to see the Opposition missed that.

    Now Truss so embarrassed talking on the motion. Only with the deepness of heart.

    The worse this parliament has seen. Texted around the country. Oh, I thought they were between Ashby and Slipper. By the way, where is waht Ashby said in the communications. I assume that Ashby made some replies. One is not incline to keep on texting, when one gets no replies.Wonder who the next Labor speaker will be.

  126. God, they are now defending Mirabella. Hope someone in Labor lists some of what she says every day within the house. Would make one ears curl, I believe.

  127. It was about female gentalia I believe. Find it hard to extend that to what one feels about women.

    Does sound a little like text sex. Is that illegal, I wonder.

  128. Reference to female members of this parliament. I say that Mirabella might be a leading contender.

    It will be interesting what we see, when it is all released and put into context.

  129. Sue, she uses much worse language than that. Much worse. Present Labor speaker is putting the matter in context.

    The text occurred before Slipper became Speaker. Long before. Yes, context is a wonderful thing.

  130. Pyne is onto Thomas Moore today.

    Biggest problem seems to be, is that the PM has ambitions and is still there.

  131. The look on Abbott’s face says, he may have made a mistake. He is not a happy cookie.

    By the way, there was no notice made to the government before it was taken., Albanese has asked Abbott to do one thing, for the rest of the week, use the word PM.

    Vote being taken. Serious debate. Wonder will they stick to pairs. Roxon at the swearing in of a new judge,

    If passed, the parliament cannot sit until a speaker is appointed.

    Could what we have seen, be a replay of High Noon.

  132. Prime Minister Julia Gillard won’t support Tony Abbott’s call to have Peter Slipper removed as Speaker and says she won’t be lectured on ‘sexism and misogyny’ by the opposition leader.

    Mr Abbott provided a dramatic opening to question time on Tuesday by seeking to have Mr Slipper immediately removed from office.

    Mr Slipper was disqualified ‘by the undenied, uncontradicted facts’ that had emerged during a sexual harassment claim brought by the Speaker’s ex-staffer James Ashby, Mr Abbott said.

    Ms Gillard opposed the motion.

    ‘I will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by this man, I will not,’ she said, pointing at the opposition leader.

    ‘Not now, not ever.’

    Ms Gillard attempted to turn the tables on Mr Abbott, saying he had double standards when it came to sexism.

    She said she was personally offended when, as health minister, he said abortion was the ‘easy way out’ and when he raised her unmarried status and when he stood beside the ‘Ditch the Witch’ placards at anti-carbon tax rallies.

    ‘I was very offended,’ she said.

    ‘Let’s go through the opposition leader’s repulsive double standards when it comes to misogyny and sexism……

    and

    ‘And across many of those preselections Mr Slipper enjoyed the personal support of the leader of the opposition,’ she said, quoting Mr Abbott referring to Mr Slipper as a friend and adding that Mr Abbott had attended Mr Slipper’s wedding.

    ‘After a long personal association, including attending Mr Slipper’s wedding, it would be interesting to know whether the leader of the opposition was surprised by these text massages,’ she said.

    ‘He’s certainly in a position to speak more intimately about Mr Slipper than I am and many other people in this parliament, given this long personal association.’

    Ms Gillard urged that the motion be defeated, arguing the parliament should not be making decisions about the speakership while Mr Slipper’s legal case was in progress.

    ‘People then will have the opportunity to make up their minds, with the fullest information available to them.’…

    http://www.skynews.com.au/politics/article.aspx?id=803857

  133. On a day that the Coalition was devoting to winning the women’s vote, Mr Abbott questioned whether when Julia Gillard says no, she really means it.

    Mr Abbott has knocked back the Prime Minister’s offer for a debate on the economy, saying she initially refused his request for three debates and had changed her mind because she was now in panic mode.

    “Are you suggesting to me that when it comes to Julia, no doesn’t mean no?” he said.

    Mr Abbott repeated the comment a number of times.

    http://hoydenabouttown.com/20100803.7906/tony-abbott-makes-rape-joke-msm-frames-it-as-sexist-gaffe/

    My feeling watching todays QT is when one witness continual bullying of someone, in the workplace, school ground or even one’s family, the relif one gets, when they eventually hit back. One oftens applauds when this happens.

    It is a feeling, of about time.

    I have been looking back at the bullies I have come across in my life. Most end up on the outer and very lonely people.

    They just disappear from our sight. It is such a shame they do so must harm and cause so much harm before they do,

  134. Cu, I enjoy reading your comments on the happenings in Parliament. You offer a view that the media ignores.

  135. The media (well, rupes media at least) have gone into bat for tabot

    Ms Gillard later linked the comment about her father to Mr Abbott’s often used phrase that the government was “dying of shame.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/deputy-opposition-leader-julie-bishop-says-peter-slipper-cannot-remain-as-speaker/story-fndo4eg9-1226491792937

    Actually, dopes, tabot reused a phrase that has been front and center in the news for all the wrong reasons. If it is fact that he once used it also months ago doesn’t change the fact that he repeated it this week with the absolute knowledge of the context it NOW takes.

    Nice try airbrushers, but I don’t reckon yer readers will be falling for this one 😉

    It will only take one news station to replay what he said in Parliament today to expose the full viciousness of the man. Will any rise to that challenge?

  136. I will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by this man, I will not,’ she said, pointing at the opposition leader.”

    Mate this is getting ridiculous. Must be what McTernan says she should be saying. Talk about playing the man and not the ball.

    It is the nasty tone of debate which Gillard is leading that is causing a lot of problems. Must be ALP talking point 101- call Abbott sexist one million times and some people will be stupid enough to believe it.

    I will not be lectured to by someone who shakes hands, signs a written document and verbally agrees to do something and then breaks the deal. Poor old Wilkie. Betrayed by a terrible human being.

  137. Who won today. Proper process, according to David Marr.

    Liberal. They are picking on Tony.

    ABC 24

    I agree with David. It is up to the courts, not parliament.

    Yes. Slipper maybe gone. That is not what this is about. It is about Abbott’s obsessive quest to be PM, at any costs.

    Ross Cameron also present.

  138. He used “shame” more than once. It is said, he could have picked his words better. The argument is whether he lost it, or used the phrase deliberately.

    I am going for deliberate, even though I do believe he did lose it at one stage. Was all over the place at the time.

    Julie BIshop on the Alan Jones show this morning. David Marr just told us, there was that brave woman going out there, and appearing on Jones. Maybe he is being a little sarcastic.

    Back to carbon tax.

  139. Should people be condemned for what they say in private to another person. How many people would survive if private conversations between friends were made public.

    ETER Slipper has unreservedly apologised for his comments on female genitalia following a fiery question time that saw the PM label Tony Abbott a misogynist.

    An unprecedented constitutional bid to sack the problem Speaker failed in Parliament today but the Opposition will not relent in branding the former Liberal unfit for the office.

    The debate over Mr Slipper’s fate — following a court’s release of what Opposition Leader Tony Abbott called “vile” text messages by the Speaker — sparked savage exchanges which took over Question Time.

    Mr Slipper issued an unreserved apology over the remarks this afternoon.

    Mr Slipper said his words contained in texts to former staffer James Ashby were intended to be private and some of the offensive messages were sent before he became Speaker.

    “A number of these text messages refer to women and nothing excuses their content,” Mr Slipper said in a statement.

    “I understand why people, particularly women, would be offended by these statements and I unreservedly apologise for them

    http://www.news.com.au/national/deputy-opposition-leader-julie-bishop-says-peter-slipper-cannot-remain-as-speaker/story-fndo4eg9-1226491792937

  140. To use a modern phrase, Tony Abbott just got “owned”. He was utterly torn to shreds by the finest performance Julia Gillard has ever delivered on the floor of the House of Reps.

    and

    Here is what Mr Abbott said: “I must allude to the vile anatomical references to which this Speaker appears to be addicted in his text message… Should (Gillard) rise in this place now to try and defend the Speaker, she will shame this parliament again… And every day the prime minister stands in this parliament to defend this Speaker will be another day of shame for this parliament, another day of shame for a government which should already have died of shame

    and

    “And every day the prime minister stands in this parliament to defend this Speaker will be another day of shame for this parliament, another day of shame for a government which should already have died of shame”
    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/gillard-wins-a-verbal-stoush-and-maybe-an-election-too/

  141. Anyway, the PM struck back with lethal force not seen since the Night of the Long Knives. Her manner was brutal, and was a strong reminder of why so many saw her as a natural PM-in-waiting.

    Here are some of the more choice statements the Prime Minister made in response:

    “The government is not dying of shame, my father did not die of shame, what the Opposition Leader should be ashamed of is his performance in parliament”

    Ouch. Nowhere to hide from that one. And this:

    “I will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by this man, I will not. Not now, not ever.”

    She also said (and excuse us for not getting some of this precisely word for word as we were caught off guard in a noisy newsroom):

    “What i won’t stand for, what I will never stand for is the leader of the opposition peddling a double standard, a standard he has not set for members of his own front bench.”

    and:,,,,,,,

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/gillard-wins-a-verbal-stoush-and-maybe-an-election-too/

  142. and in a delicious moment:

    “Now he is looking at his watch (which Abbott was) because apparently a woman’s spoken too long.”

    then, back to the original subject matter:

    “This parliament today should reject this motion and the leader of the opposition should think seriously about the role of Australian women in public life and society because we deserve better than this.”

    Long story short, what we saw today was the PM fired up as never before, with a brilliant (seemingly) off-the-cuff retort to the dumbest, most cynically-worded motion imaginable.

    Tony Abbott got the shellacking he deserved, not only undoing all the image-shaping work done by his wife Margie last week, but quite likely also burning the poll surge that went with it.

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/gillard-wins-a-verbal-stoush-and-maybe-an-election-too/

  143. 7.30, the text about Sophie Mirabella being an ‘ignorant bitch’ was sent by Ashby to Slipper and then Slipper replied.

    Wow that does make the context of whether Slipper has been set up / entrapped more relevant. It will be interesting to see how the judge rules. One good thing, Ashby is now unemployed.

  144. Sue and Cu, I think that Julia’s tactics might be to take the fight up to Abbott. I would agree with this. Little has been gained by being “nice”. Enter the feisty redhead.

  145. It also lets the likes of Albanese pff the leash. there are plenty capable of handiong it out.

    It must not come official until he hands his resignation to the GG.

    Think the experts would have told us that. it was in Slippers speech.

  146. Experts?
    who would that be? the experts have been declaring this is the end of Gillard.
    The experts have been saying the words of Tony have been used before. How on earth can these experts back this opposition leader who is so unaware of what comes out of his mouth.

    apparently there will be a vote in the house at 9pm. gosh does that mean the experts will miss dinner

  147. stoopid expert hartcher is banging on how technically the govts position has weakened.

    like how? the libs do not have slipper he is now a cross bencher. thomson is a cross bencher.

    no doubt hartcher will write an article tomorrow on how gillard is weakened an rudd will make a come back.

    don’t look hartcher but a few in the liberal party could be appalled at abbott’s lack of ability in the house today. even truss the nationals leader could hardly speak after gillard skewered abbott.

  148. Sue, spin all they like. The PM is in no worse position tonight.

    In fact it is Abbott that is less one less thing to whinge about.

    The PM has has a chance to say what she feels.

    The gloves are now off. The relationship between the PM and Opposition is now in the open.

    As the PMK said, she is sick of Abbott telling her what she should do, and what she should take responsibility for.

    Everytime I hear Abbott or Bishop say, she has to do …. , I flinched. There must be others that feel the same way. That treatment was worse that the sexism stuff. Maybe it could be seen as a part of the sexism.

    If calling Mirabella’s a botch or bitch is as bad as it gets, maybe some will have some explaining to do down the track.

    The final chapter in this will occur when the court’s judgement is brought down.

    The deputy speaker left the chair for a while during that debate. Maybe that is when Slipper informed the government of his resignation. At the time I wondered why.

    It looks like Abbott will have to bow to another woman.

    Moving back into chamber now, Thought Labor might have picked another woman for deputy, It appears they have not.

  149. CU
    after the election of the speaker there were congratulations .
    but typical of pyne he had a nasty sledge against the PM. what a little sh!t, he must have really rankled at what the PM served up to Abbott, so instead of being just curteous he had to use the moment for some type of point scoring. i hope the new speaker takes note once again of his attitude within the house.

  150. cu
    i hope anna burke is tougher than she has been to date. after all she has been the recipient of abbott’s lack of respect .
    and tonight is no better.

    i wonder how credlin will play this, she was on a warning from slipper, for shouting abuse at the pm. i hope anna has eyes in the back of her head as well as watching how pyne, bishop and abbott play qt.

  151. They are trying to get the perception out that the government is unstable. Do not like their chances.

    In fact it has become more stable, The question of Slipper has now been settled, as far as the government is concerned.

    All that is left hanging is Thomson, and that has even lost it’s bite.

    As Lyndal is pointing out, this has been a productive government.

    Lyndal said that Abbott has set up a new template for Opposition leaders, a template that could be used against a future Coalition government.

    As they say, what goes around, comes around.

    People might not like the PM any more, but I suspect they will not underestimate her from now on.

  152. I think she is tougher than most give her credit for.

    It is no secret that Pyne does not like her.

    Her hands are free now to do as she wants.

    I believe she will be OK.

  153. she certainly has the measure of abbott

    Totally

    Then, of course I was offended too by the sexism, by the misogyny of the Leader of the Opposition cat-calling across this table at me as I sit here as Prime Minister.

    ‘If the Prime Minister wants to politically speaking make an honest woman of herself’, something that would never have been said to any man sitting in this chair.

    I was offended when the Leader of the Opposition went outside in the front of Parliament and stood next to a sign that said “Ditch the witch”.

    I was offended when the Leader of the Opposition stood next to a sign that ascribed me as a man’s bitch.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-09/gillard-vs-abbott-on-the-slipper-affair/4303618

    All in the hansard too 🙂

  154. Tanya Plibersek was on Lateline tonight. Emma Alberici was a rude pig. Tony Abbott is not the only Liberal who has a problem with strong women.

  155. The Prime Minister has Abbott rattled, her performance yesterday was wonderful.

    Factless Troll
    OCTOBER 8, 2012 @ 8:29 PM
    “The NBN is behind schedule and way over budget and its benefits are all, at this stage hypothetical, so that makes it a “Gunna” too.”

    Möbius Ecko
    OCTOBER 9, 2012 @ 1:08 PM
    We’ve gone all over that before with you so why do you keep raising the same old things over,
    Because factless, know it all trolls are incapable of understanding such complexities and truth.
    Like Jones, trolls by nature:
    • Are unable to divert from perverted baseless opinion
    • Blinkered by embarrassing blind ignorance.
    • Unable to accept they are irrefutably wrong.
    These trolls are not interested in debate or the exchange of ideas, rather the predictable self-importance lemming dance of fact deficient negativity. Don’t feed the trolls.

  156. Tanya Plibersek was on Lateline tonight. Emma Alberici was a rude pig. Tony Abbott is not the only Liberal who has a problem with strong women.

    I saw that interview. The only rude person was Plibersek. An absolute disgrace. Alberici was asking questions about the topic of the day which was Slipper and his resignation as speaker. However Plibersek kept talking about Abbott. Alberici kept trying to keep the questions on topic but Plibersek kept answering to any question asked that it was all Abbotts fault.

    The ALP must have been coached by McTernan to play the man and to spread personal abuse about Abbott no matter what the topic is. It was so plain that Plibersek did not want to answer any question about Slipper and why the ALP supported him as speaker. But somehow or other no matter what question was asked the answer was it was Abbotts fault.

    Childish answers from an ALP politician.

  157. Grow up Neil. What the media is attempting to do now, is disgraceful. All the Plibersek was trying to do, was correct the records. The questions being asked were not based on fact.

    The habit of making a statement, with little fact or reality, then asking a question is now back again.

    If one does not believe with the premises of the question, tell me how they can answer without correcting the premises it is based on.

    NO, the interviewers are often not only rude, but also wrong.

    They are there to elicit information, not create it.

  158. All the Plibersek was trying to do, was correct the records.

    Really?? Did you see the interview?? It was a disgrace. The topic was about Peter Slipper who the ALP put into the speakers chair. But no matter what question was asked Plibersek’s answer was Abbott.

    ALP politicians must be coached by McTernan to insert Abbott into every answer. It is so obvious. However all they are doing is giving Abbott more publicity.

  159. Yes I did.

    No, it as about what happened in the house.

    It was about the action that Abbott took to remove Slipper.

    It was about procedural fairness, that thanks to the Independents and the PM occurred, in spite of Abbott.

    At no time did the PM support Mr. Slippers behaviour. In fact she strongly condemned it.

    The PM acted in a manner that does her proud.

    At no time was it about saving Slippers job.

    Mr. Abbott went to far in his attack on theh PM. The PM returned the insults in full.

    The questions were formed in such away, to make the PM look as if she had supported Slipper, in order to save her own skin,

    Now, I believe if the truth is known, the PMis very happy with the results of yesterday. She has one more problem solved with Slipper gone. The numbers are still the same.

    The questions were formed in such a way, that to give any answer,made Labor and the PM look bad.

    Now Neil, you might see nothing wrong with that. I do,

    One always have the right to question the premise on what the question is based.

    If that is seen by the likes of you as being rude, so be it. I consider asking the questions that way is rude.

    Abbott’s actions were out of place yesterday. He could have approach the problem in other ways.

    His aim was to cause as much damage to the PM as possible. His actions were not necessary.

  160. I know that many think that Labor women should just lay there and take what is dished out to them.

    Sorry, that is not going to happen.

  161. I know that many think that Labor women should just lay there and take what is dished out to them.

    No- I expect them to answer the questions asked. Abbott had nothing to do with making Slipper speaker of the house. It was Gillards decision. Somehow or other Plibersek kept answer any question asked by mentioning Abbott. It was Labor who voted for Slipper to remain speaker and then Slipper resigned. Slipper did the right thing and Labor did the wrong thing but somehow this was Abbotts fault according to Plibersek.

    ALP politicians have obviously been coached by McTernan to insert Abbott into any answer as many times as possible. If you cannot see that you are beyond hope.

  162. Neil, listen carefully. Many of the questions could not be answered, They were asked on false premises.

    Now I would love to see Abbott answer questions. Yes, he does give answers but rarely match the questions asked. If push for answer, he just walks away.

    It was not about who put Slipper in the chair, It was about what occurred in the house yesterday, It was about the action that Abbott took, It was about Abbott’s behaviour. It was about the PM reactions to those procedures.

    If it was not, it should have been.

    It should not have been about laying blame on the PM. It was about whether Slipper should have been removed and how that should have happened.

    Abbott took part in what occurred yesterday,

    Abbott should also be responsible for his actions.

    So why cannot one also talk about Abbott. Abbott answers every question, condemning or complaining about the PM’s actions. What is different.

  163. PS. Every answer of Abbott’s contains carbon tax, MRRT and now and then, BER and pink batts.

    This is no matter what is asked. Now has a new three word slogan, father of three girls.

    None of his answers make much sense, three word slogans, linked together, making little sense,

  164. making little sense,

    But our media love it. Of course, our media think the rest of the worlds media is crazy for acknowledging the fine performance by our PM, not ours, it’s just that the PM got shrill with their hero tabot

    Meanwhile, they go about defending him for the indefensible

    “I’d completely forgotten about (the Jones saga) of course, but nevertheless. Look I have said time and time again this is a government that has died of shame, that should’ve died of shame years ago,” he told 2UE.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/abbott-forgot-about-jones-comments-when-he-used-died-of-shame-phrase-in-parliament/story-e6freuy9-1226492829696

    What a load of crap our media swallow from him. He was reading from a prepared statement when he said it. And then, the ultimate insult

    “Come on Prime Minister and Government, get over it and let’s talk about the things that the public are really interested in.”

    Yea, the Government should get over the fact that tabot is a dumbass who cannot remember what is headlining in the current news cycle. It just goes to show, if in fact he had forgotten, how little he really cares about peoples feelings. Although, being ignorantly stupid might be a better option than contemplating the only other excuse for him having used those words.

    But instead of exposing him for this, our media jump to his defense, and want to tell us, the public, what we are interested in.

    Well, I’m interested in what tabot actually thinks. Going on the evidence, not much.

  165. “If you cannot see that you are beyond hope.”

    Projection again Neil.

    Sorry but it is you, and you prove it in nearly every post, who cannot see. You won’t look at the gross failings of Abbott and the opposition, his so obvious coaching and constant refusal to answer questions often turning his back on them and even running away.

    You are the one who has two standards and exhibits hypocrisy, not the ones you attempt to project that on.

  166. Sorry but it is you, and you prove it in nearly every post, who cannot see

    Andrew Bolt sumarised some of the answers Plibersek gave to Alberici’s questions. The topics was of course the issue of the day, Peter Slippers resignation from Parliament and ALPs support for Slipper. Some of the answers were

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/labors_excuse_the_abbottabbottabbott/

    it raises the question about the role that Tony Abbott’s playing… the Leader of the Opposition hasn’t distanced himself from the use of this type of language… why won’t the Leader of the Opposition take similar responsibility … When Tony Abbott wrote a letter …When Tony Abbott wrote a letter… when Tony Abbott attended Mr Slipper’s wedding … We don’t see the Leader of the Opposition … We’ve got a Leader of the Opposition … you could very equally ask why the Leader of the Opposition … Tony Abbott and his front bench … a further effort of Tony Abbott to smash the place up… If Tony Abbott becomes the leader of this country we’ll have one of the most aggressively negative politicians in Australian history …Tony Abbott would be a disaster as prime minister… Tony Abbott hasn’t wanted to get on with business…. He’s wanted to smash the place up from the day that he became Opposition Leader… it’s actually going to take Tony Abbott to stop trying to blow the place up every day.”

    It was ridiculous. And if you cannot see what Labor is doing you are also beyond hope.

  167. Andrew Bolt. FAIL.

    Sorry Neil it is you who is ideologically blinded. Abbott was caught out in a lie in parliament again because he either didn’t read the evidence he attempted to bash the government with or was deliberaly attempting to be misleading.

    Everything you quote is demonstrably true, but I bet you would have trouble finding things Abbott states that are demonstrably true.

  168. Andrew Bolt. FAIL.

    ???? The topic was Pliberseks non-answers to questions on Lateline asked about the issue of the day- Slippers resignation from parliament. Silkworm alleged that Alberici was being rude. It was Plibersek being rude. Most probably following McTurds directions to divert the topic to Abbott.

    And you have just done what Plibersek did, diverted the conversation to Abbott. It is getting ridiculous.

  169. On ABC 702 they have a sector called spin doctors. Do not know who was on this morning but one stated that Mr.Abbott;s does due the words shame and government dying of shame and many like statements all the time, and has for a long time.

    The person said d that she could not help but think that is where Jones got the idea from. She also added that she found it incredulous that Mr.,Abbott was not aware of the words that Jones is being condemned for.

    Yes, she is right. That is why Abbott should be condemned for what Jones said. Nop matter what, from now2 on, if Abbott keeps up the :shame: campaign, it will always be linked with what Jones put into words.

    The speaker also called the phrases, nasty, Which they are.

    Yes, Hockey is out. Trying to look concerned. No need to repeat what he sayd, as we all know without hearing.

    One thing about the Opposition, we always know what is coming/

    Of course it is the carbon tax. No matter that there is no proof for this, The rest of the world and China’s economy slowing has nothing to do with it. Of course the states can cut PS and other services, putting people out of work has nothing to do with the figures.

    Nothing to do with Queensland.because this is a lay indicator Lag used more than once. Hockey does not appear happy. Wonder why.

    Pointed out that Queensland lost 10,000 jobs alone.

    Of course not even the government was expecting the figures to go down. Why does one think the interest rates were lowered.

    Yes, there are many factors that go into play, the major, the overseas economy.

    But no, it is all carbon tax and MRRT.

    I get the impression, he does not believe his own spin

  170. At least being questioned. Not accepting Thomson vote. Sorry, he does not have the ability not to. It is Thomson vote on behalf of his constituents.

    Now ask questions on the wheat industry.

    Could be why he is uncomfortable, knew the questions were coming.

  171. NEIL, YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT LABOR DOES NOT GIVE THE ANSWERS YOU WANT. tHEY LIKE TO STICK TO THE TRUTH AND FACTS, dOES NOT FIT IN WITH YOUR PERCEPTION

  172. Shorten interview. No wonder Hockey was subdued, Queensland biggest fall since figures have been kept. Biggest fallin thirty odd years.
    First question is about the About insult last night.

    Media has problems with nobody left the room.

    Which is the most newsworthy, unemployment figures or a comedian’s insult aimed at Abbott. Tasteless remarks.

    Are comedians joke about the Opposition leader are no longer on.

    Questioning still continuing questions in his vein.

    Seven questions on tasteless remarks, any questions on the figures.

    Anyone know what the tasteless remark, Was it along the one about Ms. Mirabella, which was greatly exaggerated. Leaving debate,

    Pointed as there has been two hundreds jobs created each day since pricing on carbon emissions came in.

    More older people back at work than ever before. More in the workforce.

  173. CU

    Bolt has listed some of the questions asked

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3607307.htm

    “Now that Peter Slipper has resigned do you think it was wrong for the Prime Minister to defend him so vociferously in the House today?

    Do you think members of public would have been happy to see this man remain a Speaker, second to the Prime Minister, the highest office in the House of Representatives?

    Do you regret Julia Gillard’s decision to install Peter Slipper in the Speaker’s chair in the first place for what were purely political purposes?

    How can the electorate now ever respect Julia Gillard’s judgment again after this?

    Today in the Parliament, Minister, the country’s first female Prime Minister and her female ministers were there defending the indefensible. Many women in this country would no doubt be feeling pretty outraged about that?

    It’s hard to escape the impression, Minister, that within the Labor Party, keeping your jobs is more important than protecting the integrity of the Parliament.

    The answer to most of the questions was ABBottABBottABBott.

    The topic on Lateline was the topic of the day- Peter Slipper and his resignation from Parliament. Plibersek introduced Abbott into the conversation as many times as she could.

  174. Abbott may regret telling the PM to just get over it, as now there is time to examine all those electricity accounts that Abbott has used to push his claims on the Carbon tax. With a quick glance at yesterdays example it was shown Abbott deceived the House and the wider public.
    More importantly it showed Abbott does not even give a casual glance at the evidence in his own hands. Or evidence he has never looked or understood the amounts on an electricity bill.

  175. First question. Unemployment figures blaming carbon tax.

    PM Abbott misunderstands or is misleading.

    32000 more Australians now have full time work/.

    More people seeking jobs.

    Two thirds of job losses can be found in Queensland.

    Hockey made a claim this morning that when Howard came in, he made big cuts in Canberra and Canberra is still thriving. According to Hockey the found real jobs.

    I might be wrong, but I thought that action sent many in Canberra to the wall.

    Maybe those who suffered under Howard can correct t me..That Hockey is correct and they thank Howard for making them better off.

  176. Combet rubbing it into Abbott. By the way. Albanese now allows these bills to be tabled, . In fact asks that they do.

    Heard the pensioner this morning on 702, Was surprise that Abbott used the bill that way. Said she did what Abbott asked and sent big bills. Is a proud liberal voters.

    Member of Indi already starting.

    Opposition noisy today.

    Abbott according to the PM, is misleading, misinterpreting and making false impressions.

    PM pointed out that her5 government has done much to ease cost of living imposts on the people.

    Went onto make a long list of actions taken.

  177. Opposition will not table papers they are reading from.. After the PM answered the question, ask leave to table it. Was told that he could wait until after QT. Albanese gave permission for it to be tabled. Opposition are really becoming confused.

    Could the PM be playing with their minds.

    Since the day Labor lost in Queensland, there has been a lost of 26000 jobs.

  178. Bishop MSSO demanding the Attorney General answer questions on Slipper.

    Albanese objecting. Reserve decision on whether there has been a abuse of claims made. This is about the exact case.

    This motion could be a abuse of the court process,.

    I would not be surprise that Bishop might see herself as Opposition Leader. Asked question of the PM about Wilson.

    Speaker given warning but allowed to go ahead.

    Albanese objects. Pyne disagrees.

    This is a tricky one. The judge is reserving his opinion, not on the racist allegations but on whether the that action has been made to harm Slipper and the government. Whether the action is abuse of the court process. The Opposition move in my opinions backs this allegations up.

    Move that member be no longer heard.

    This is another stunt that ignores procedures of the house.

  179. Undertaking was given to the court, that the evidence given access to, could only be used for the court. Suggest that fact, the AT cannot speak and has done nothing wrong,

  180. Emerson walked out last night in distrust. Swan stayed, as he was the next speaker. Was not raised by the Opposition today in parliament.

    Credlin was subject of joke.

    Albanese lost.

    Pyne supporting the motion.

    Albanese making allegations about a case that is before the court.

  181. Member be no longer heard. Wonder why the last vote was so wide. 68 72

    No one knows where Slipper is.

    Probably lose this vote as well.

    By the time these motions are finished with, the time for MSSO will have expired.

  182. 421 pieces of legislation now without defeat.

    That’s impressive in any government let alone a minority one.

  183. 421 pieces of legislation now without defeat.

    That’s impressive in any government let alone a minority one.
    ——-
    Very impressive.

    Not that many in the MSM would give a crap.

    Too grumpy and hungover.

    N’

  184. Neil of Sydney I suggest that if you would like anyone to take you seriously you may want to consider not directing people to read Bolt. I for one consider him to be a lying, fact deficient, intellectual pygmy who pushes any barrow for a quid Bolt personifies disrespect as a failed Bill O’reilly incapable of critical thinking. Then again if you resort to reading him, Its a window into where your coming from.

    Yes I saw that interview, don’t forget Slipper is a defective Liberal. Why would Labor not lever political advantage? Claims of morality did were not a problem for the Fiberals pre defection 10 years previous or when his mate Tony flew up for his wedding.

    Troll Yawn.

  185. Not only that Ricky the text messages were sent when Slipper was still in the Liberal party, and it beggars belief that at least Brough and possibly Pyne had not known of them via Ashby, who it appears they were grooming to take down Slipper so the failed politician Brough could get a safe conservative seat.

  186. Actually the 421 pieces of legislation so far is not just a sign of a good government and an even better one being able to achieve it in minority, but a terrible indictment on a failed and miserable opposition who apart from asylum seeker legislation, which is a failure, have not even been able to amend, add to or put up alternatives to any of the 421 pieces of passed legislation.

    I believe that is unheard of and has never happened before where against majority governments opposition’s have been able to have legislation amended or have had input into them.

    Abbott is the greatest failure of a leader this country has seen and it bodes badly if he is ever PM.

  187. And we thought we’d seen the end of Downer, or at the minimum the rare idiotic high pitched whine on a sound grab or flaccid words in a press piece, but no, he’s back.

    Story is he’s going for the State Liberal leadership in SA.

  188. In itself, 421 pieces of legislation should be headline material.

    421 pieces of legislation also shows that there certainly had to be progress and change after the sleepy Howard years.

  189. “Abbott is the greatest failure of a leader this country has seen and it bodes badly if he is ever PM.”

    Albanese said that the fact they have been able to get so much legislation through without amendments, proves how ineffectual Abbott is. He said a Opposition leader focus on the house an legislation on, would have done much better.

    Mr. Albanese said all Abbott is good for is trashing and performing stunts.

    Yes, he will be seen as the worse Opposition leader ever,

    The most gutless one, I also suspect. Definitely the laziest. The first that can only manage one task at a time.

    Would love to be on that plane. I fear it is ot big enough for the two of them.

    I also expect the PM is long past being civil to him.

    I believe the PM has invited Howard as well. I do not know if he is on the plane as well.

    If we were unlucky and he won the next election, I do hope they leave the PM as leader, to show Abbott how a effective Opposition leader acts and behaves,

    There is more to the job than in leading in the polls and winning elections.

  190. silkworm, intriguing proposition but not sure where you are coming from. I have no idea what he is, except he reminds me of Utegate and Goeth.

  191. Why is Slipper seen as a misogynist. After all he has had two wives, which appear to stand by him. Not too sure his description of a vagina says much.

    Surely one cannot say criticising the behaviour of that Opposition Shadow minister has anything to do with hating women in general, More like a justified description.

    He has children, not sure what sex.

    It appears it is true, that he is into smut.

    Now Ashby, that is a different case.

  192. It appears that the Opposition Leader and the PM flew to Bali on separate RAAF planes. All the week it was said they would be travelling together. I wonder why the change. Why two planes.

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