Since the introduction of the ‘carbon tax’ . . .

Whyalla might have survived but the rest of the world is paying a heavy price for the ‘carbon tax’. Tony Abbott has at his disposal an arsenal full of weaponry to prove that the Julia Gillard inspired Armageddon is upon us.

Just take a look at what has happened since the introduction of this shattering ‘tax’:

  • An Australian digger has been wounded in Afghanistan.
  • A Qantas passenger was put on hold for 15 hours.
  • A BHP executive has had to give up his bonus.
  • Demand for locally produced 4WDs has plummeted.
  • A globe blew in my garage.
  • My football team has lost more games than they’ve won. No link provided.
  • A backpacker has been blinded by ‘Bali booze‘.
  • There has been an outbreak of influenza in the Hunter Valley.
  • My mate Russell’s footy tipping has gone downhill.
  • I keep getting in the wrong line at the checkouts at the supermarket.
  • I spilled some wine – something I’d never done until that damn tax.
  • A Swedish diplomat has been expelled from Russia for dropping a teddy bear. What country isn’t affected by the carbon tax?
  • Oil prices have jumped.
  • I’ve had a tooth removed.
  • Australia has had it’s worst showing at the Olympic Games in living memory. See below:

There’s a clear correlation between the carbon tax and the run of tragedies that have befell us.

The evidence is overwhelming.

Has anyone else noticed it?

136 comments on “Since the introduction of the ‘carbon tax’ . . .

  1. Everyone at our place has coughs and colds. We all blame “that damn tax”. Vote Liberal to Stop the Flu.

  2. The most important tragedy for you Latte sippers is not on your list Migs, Namely the fortunes of Labor and the left have not improved as Gillard et al hoped they would…

    I and those with operating brains knew that would be the result so why did the left think otherwise?

  3. Since the introduction of the carbon tax Iain’s use of last century terms such as “latte sippers” has quadrupled…

  4. Iain, who said we thought otherwise. What we are saying is, the PM is the best person for the job.

    When has anyone here ever said the polls will improve.

    If you read what has been written, most are saying the PM has a tough job ahead of her.

    They are also saying that Rudd is not the answer.

    They are also saying the lady has guts, and should be given credit for staying focus and getting on with the job.

    They are also saying there is 18 months to go. Governments have recovered in quicker time, including Howard himself. Of course lying and Tampa help him.
    So, Iain what are you trying to enlighten us about. That the polls are bad, and might not change.

    Do you really believe we are not aware of that.

    Are you saying we should lie down and die, as Abbott wants the PM to do. Hand it to Abbott on a silver tray.

    Nah, Iain, we will keep the fight up to the bitter end.

    Go find another site to annoy. You are failing here. Failing badly, as the replies that are being made to your rubbish, give people a chance to get facts across.

    If we keep repeating the facts long enough, they just might drown out Abbott’s lies.

    If not,the country will get the government they deserve. Labor will live to fight another day.

    As it is said, poor bugger my country.

  5. And apart from burdening Australian manufacturing (not offshore companies), exporting jobs off shore, increasing my electricity bill (and the electricity bill for every small business)….. what has the Carbon Dioxide Tax achieved? what was it again … the roit thing to do?… on the roit side of history?
    I noticed the sea levels have fallen, global warming has subsided, gillard and Labor are still on the nose and are going to be wiped out at the next election…. all these are good results of the Carbon Dioxide Tax..
    I am a huge supporter of The Carbon Dioxide Tax it has delivered the death blow to gillard and Labor and gives Tony the reins to fix all of Labor’s cockups. Has a serving or past Australian PM been charged with embezzlement?
    Might be another first for gillard………….

  6. Ianin claimed the other day in his defene of his opposition to the carbon tax (price) was how much it would wreck the economy. This even though the effect to date has been less than minimal.

  7. Yes I have, yes I have! The batteries in my inside/outside thermometer went flat and now I can’t tell if there’s any temperature at all!

  8. Tweed, don’t forget, Gillard also killed our GOLD medal hopes.

    http://www.smh.com.au/olympics/news-london-2012/coates-regrets-slow-show-in-money-pool-20120804-23mbv.html#ixzz22aS2UctV

    Probably because she was too busy lying about a Carbon Price 😯

    “I don’t rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism,” she said of the next parliament. “I rule out a carbon tax.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983
    Just note the title of that story in the link

    julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise

  9. I believe we could be making a grave mistake to encourage lain to go to another site. He, in opposing rational thought, gives clarity and firm direction to those on the civilised side of politics…indeed, I feel we shoild encourage posters like lain because it gives thought AND warning as to how one could end up should one lose ones’ clarity of logic.
    So yes..lain..come inside the tent, perform your routine..but please, consider your audience and improvise your lines a bit more often lest we succume from boredom….BUT ; as to criticism of your “work”..you always perform at a standard more rehearsed than expected!….Good man!

  10. Jaycee, I agree with you. We could all sit here and agree with each other but with Iain stating his opinions it means having to provide clear examples. I’ve noted here of late a couple of people stating Troll. This is disappointing. This lowers the standard considerably.

  11. One of my Riedel tumblers broke in the dishwasher last weekend. It is a clear case of the CO2 tax being the culprit.

    Since the price of electricy has gone up the water in the dishwasher is too hot! The tax needs to be scrapped to save my finest glassware.

  12. Migs – you also forgot the nearly $1k repair to my car, the train running late the other day, Abbott’s poll numbers not improving as people realise it was the end of the world as we know it, and the killer blow – I’m still near the bottom of the footy tipping comp at work.

  13. Iain believes the polls because it says, ” if an election was held today” there was no election but they believe it is there born to rule mentality that they should be in power or take the easy way, have no election.

  14. Antony,

    I agree it’s regrettable when the “troll” word is bandied about….. HOWEVER, in some situations it does fit.

    For instance, said commenter is still going on that Julia Gillard “lied about the carbon tax”.

    It’s been explained to them a hundred times that she did not lie; at worst she changed her mind.

    Yet he insists on continuing to wheel out the claim as though it’s never been refuted!

    It’s bloody frustrating to have to reinvent the wheel every five minutes.

    And I’m sure there must be other examples.

  15. Cuppa,

    Point taken. There is only so many times that a person can repeat themselves, however I prefer the ignoring them completely tactic rather than encouraging them by continuously engaging with them.

  16. I should add that the name calling such as troll does nothing to enhance debate but only goes to provide evidence that the lefties are even worse than the right whingers.

  17. Surely scaper has a point concerning his ‘glassware”…but one would have to reflect, on evidence shown in past posts that scaper’s most fragile “glassware” would have to be his jaw!

  18. The trouble Antony, If you ignore the commenter his claims are left to stand uncorrected.

    The right-wing lies become “truth”.

    Just as it is in the so-called “mainstream” media.

    Blogs are where mainstream media memes are deconstructed and refuted.

    But it’s tedious to see the same lie/s having to be disproved over and over.

    Those who provoke that necessity; are they not by definition “trolls”? I think they are. And this is from someone with a long personal code of scrolling past them and never commenting directly to them.

  19. By the way, Miglo…I have to congratulate you on those pics of cafes and restraurants at the head of your “page”…some of them just make one “ache” to go there and partake of their service!

  20. The so called person never gives a direct answer, he bypasses it just like his Idol and runs away.

  21. I’m all for ignoring them, as I said, Antony. But if his claim that (for example) the PM “lied about the carbon tax” is ignored, that is, is allowed to stand, then a lie is allowed to live.

    I feel that lies should not be allowed to live.

    If we wanted to be subjected to right-wing lies, they’re as close and ubiquitous as the nearest mainstream media outlet.

    Thinking people come to blogs to get away from that crap.

  22. The most important tragedy for you `Toad`Lickers`
    is not on your list. .. Namely the fortunes of Liberal
    and the `right` have not improved as Mr-Rabbit and
    his Bunnies hoped they would. Once rid of Mr-Talkbull.

    Those with operating brains knew that would be the
    result so why did the `right` think otherwise?

  23. Migs
    Why are you supporting a lie when you know in your heart, it is a price on carbon, any way I still can not get the grandsons scooter to start so I better blame the carbon price like everyone else.

    PS The OH has a saying “a man has to get married so that some time some place he needs someone to blame other than the government. Moral don’t get married we have a replacement scapegoat “the carbon tax” oops I have said it three self inflicted tongue lashings asap. may the force be with us all

  24. My concern is that we always seem to be on the back foot and in a defensive mode all the time, defending the same things over and over.

    We have to learn to ignore the noise from the right, and move on with going on the offensive, saying over and over, until it sinks in, what this government has achieved.

    We need to set our own agenda and stick to it, not let ourselves be sidetracked.

    It is now the trolls that are setting the agenda by sidetracking whatever post has been put up. .We end up every time, where we are now.

    There is a great tale to be told. They say it is the economy stupid, and so it is. The world is changing fast, and we need to be ahead of the game.

  25. Good point CU.

    Maybe a quick paste-in of a proforma response is what’s needed when a right-wing lie is repeated.

    Dear {insert name of troll},

    Your claim {insert right wing lie} has already been disproven multiple times on this blog.

    Please do not repost refuted lies.

    Then having posted that we can get back onto talking about what we choose.

  26. CU – you are on to something there

    My concern is that we always seem to be on the back foot and in a defensive mode all the time, defending the same things over and over.

    We have to learn to ignore the noise from the right, and move on with going on the offensive, saying over and over, until it sinks in, what this government has achieved.

    Defence of a point of view can be seen as being uncertain of its truth. Its also a way for those who want to change the argument to something they can win to do so. What’s the old saying – never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience? Not saying all conservatives are idiots but . . .

  27. 2353. I suspect we are not arguing with idiots, but with those who agenda is to thwart us in getting our message out.

    We have to ignore the noise.

  28. Just when you think that a photograph couldn’t get any uglier aka my driver’s licence, I had one taken for a passport..am I getting uglier because of the price on carbon. 😯

  29. Cu and 2353, and with due respect, and as we know, the PM has seldom gone on the attack against Abbott instead preferring to promote the government’s achievements. This has resulted in open slather for Abbott and the msm, for as we also know it is extremely rare that the government’s accomplishments receive more than a footnote in the msm.

    The way that the msm operates, it is only interested in hot juicy gossip and the sensationalised. I think that it’s time for the government to go in for the kill and to stop being so nice all of the time. This is the only way that the government’s achievements are going to get noticed IMO.

  30. Has anyone noticed how vine ripened tomatoes have become decidedly paler? I blame the price on carbon.

    **Notice how I said a price on carbon, so as to avoid one of Bilko’s self inflicted tongue lashings. 🙂

  31. Min @ 1:43 – true to an extent, however when one of LOTO’s outbursts comes, the ALP spends a lot of time defending rather than pulling up the “errant” media person with thats wrong [insert reason in one soundbite] and moving on with original statement.

    It takes discipline and planning – two things the ALP seem not to do very well at the moment.

    CU – substitute idiots with conservatives (not saying all conservatives are idiots either).

  32. Thanks Jaycee. I took most of the photos myself and the rest were provided by Min and Möbius. And with a little bit of photoshopping from Möbius. 😉

  33. Hi Bilko. I put tax in inverted commas, you might note. I only called it a tax because that’s what Tones said it is. We know different, of course. 😉

  34. 2353, I think that the government should be looking at the way that the alternative media often treat Abbott – as a joke. Nothing diffuses an egoist quicker than to be laughed at..that is, as a joke and therefore shouldn’t be taken seriously.

    They did the same deal on Julia, via continuous ridicule it became almost an embarrassment for (some) people to admit that they admired her. I would be trying the same trick on Abbott.

    Julia definitely needs a promotional strategy. For example, she looked stunning in a blue outfit and hat..we see far too little of her glammed up..if you’ve got it, flaunt it.

  35. There’s a rolling start date for the true extent of the catastrophe to unfold. We’ll always be told to wait for it, wait for it & sure as eggs one day the sun’s going nova will be the fault of all this.

  36. Bob, the sun has enough energy in it to keep burning for another five billion years.

    However . . .

    In 1.1 billion years time when it realises it doesn’t have enough energy to keep burning it is going to expand, engulfing the inner planets, of which ours is one.

    There is speculation that this was always going to happen, but the carbon tax ensures it.

    It is no longer a subject of debate.

  37. It is no small coincidence that the introduction of the carbon tax coincides with the end of the Mayan calendar…

  38. I’ve been in Molong (west of Orange) for the past five days and the carbon tax has made no difference…it was still bitingly cold.

  39. Migs said, “My football team has lost more games than they’ve won. No link provided. ”
    How about this link, ( an oldie but a goodie ) :mrgreen:

  40. I hadn’t thought about the Mayan calendar angle but you’ve got a point Min. Bloody Gillard in league with those devilworshipping heathens without the Law, inflicting ruination on us all. It’s too late now, the legislation’s in & not even Tony can save us!!!!
    Puts small things like the sun going nova into perspective I guess….

  41. BTW, should we ban LOVO?
    All these years later and your still a sore loser…… as attested to by you every time I re-link that particular link for your considered attention ….. again 👿

  42. Miglo, June 27th? Close, but I’ve already blamed Abbott and the Coalition speechifying in the Asylum Seeker boat people debate. I stayed back to hear the final vote, so it was a bit darker than usual when we set out. The woman stationary behind the Stop sign had been stuck in traffic for hours listening to those bastards. She wasn’t thinking or seeing straight!

  43. It was 5.7 the other day in Canberra and I dare say about the same in Molong..the earth is clearly cooling and so we don’t even need a tax on carbon.

  44. LOVO and the carbon “tax” made you do it..for a moment there I got mixed up between yourself @4.52pm and Jaycee @4.54pm…

  45. Patricia, clearly the carbon tax was on that young lady’s mind as July 1 fast approached.

    The emotional effects of this tax is clearly regressive.

  46. LOVO and the carbon “tax” made you do it..for a moment there I got mixed up between yourself @4.52pm and Jaycee @4.54pm…

    Min, such an insult to jaycee. :mrgreen:

  47. This is the latest in a series of these from Mr Koukoulas, relevant to this thread:

    http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2168-since-the-carbon-tax-started-edition-4

    Market Indicators — Change since end June 2012

    Official cash rate — No change
    Australian dollar (vs USD) — +2.9%
    10 year govt bond yield — +0.13 percentage points
    ASX200 — +4.3%
    Change in market cap of ASX — +$47 billion

    Economic Indicators
    RP Data house prices — +0.6%
    Change in Housing Wealth — +$24 billion
    Westpac index of Consumer sentiment — +3.7%

  48. rabbit, there maybe many at Molong, but not as many I seen at Four Corners. Then I still have memories of my grandmothers grave in the Canowindra area,

  49. CU, there was only one rabbit I saw in Molong, and that was when I looked in the mirror after a heavy night. Not very pretty!

    Four Corners. Haven’t watched in years. 😀

  50. In one way or another, this century will be the one in which we learn to account for our planet. Because unless we start accounting for our transactions with the earth we will bankrupt it for all future human habitation

    These words are the last couple of sentences in Jane Gleeson-White’s acclaimed book, “Double Entry”.

    Our carbon tax is one small first step.

    A lot of very bright economists are now getting on board. You don’t have to be a Nobel Laureate to to understand that ignoring the cost of “externalities” is very shortsighted but it takes a special kind of willful stupidity to bury one’s head in the sand and deny the obvious.

  51. Baccus @ 5:34 – thanks.

    Cross posted those stats to another forum and already the denialists are in a lather. Pretty to watch – and the real funny thing is the claim is the stats are useless because there is no alternative universe to run the experiment. I have been arguing there for over a year that there was no alternative universe so we could test the do nothing approach to climate change and up until now have been shouted down.

  52. 2353..What was that other forum..;The Drum?…there’s heaps of brain-dead right-wingers over there now…it’s fair infected!

  53. For the first time ever, my wife cooked the perfect roast pork and I now have severe indigestion as a result of eating too much crackling! Bloody Carbon Tax (price).

  54. Migs, no the pork was always good, but the crackle was less than perfect.
    The good news is that just like the effects of the carbon price, the indigestion is almost gone.

  55. Rabbit, i have misled everyone. I should have said, Four Corners is a place. A place in my memory, that was full of rabbits.

  56. I’m now glad that my football team lost on the weekend as it has motivated the club to rid itself of a less than ordinary coach. Hopefully the less than ordinary players will be next.

    Gosh, there won’t be many left. 😦

  57. Good to hear 2353 😀

    Mr Koukoulas has many articles containing inconvenient facts on his site that get right up the right whingers’ nostrils 😆

  58. rid itself of a less than ordinary coach

    I’ll admit, I don’t rate Primus as much of a coach (although, as a player and leader, he excelled)

    Unfortunately, I think the problems at Prot extend farther than just the coach, and up the rungs to the administration itself.

    I don’t know the answer there, not being all that involved, but to me, the rot set in when they allowed a coach to bag a major sponsor on a Grand Final win, without any repercussion. It is not how a modern, national sporting team is run, no matter who it is. Keep that behind closed doors, not aired when you should be celebrating.

    That culture appears to have only grown since then, and it shows in the poor financial situation they find themselves in now, which, to me, is more to blame for their present form than just the coach

    That’s my take on it anyway.

  59. A private index shows the carbon tax had little effect on inflation in its first month of operation, despite pushing up energy costs.

    The monthly inflation gauge by TD Securities and the Melbourne Institute shows consumer prices rose by only 0.2 per cent in July, with the annual rate hitting a three-year low of 1.5 per cent.

    The carbon tax, combined with regular new financial year price hikes, led to a significant jump in utility prices – electricity costs rose almost 15 per cent, gas and other household fuel prices increased a touch over 10 per cent.

    TD Securities says the scale of the utility price increases was in line with Treasury’s forecasts.

    These rises were offset by falling petrol and diesel costs, and price falls for insurance and financial services, and holiday travel and accommodation.

    TD Securities head of Asia-Pacific research Annette Beacher says, outside of utilities, there was no evidence of the carbon tax pushing up prices.

    “We looked closely at food, airfares, some electrical appliances, we looked at the other sectors that were meant to have an impact of the carbon tax and we don’t see anything,” she observed.

    “So while the first round effects have certainly been on energy prices in July we have to keep looking at this gauge on a month to month basis to see if it actually starts creeping through into other sectors.”

    “There is absolutely a first round impact of the carbon tax on utilities, but certainly we’ve found next to no evidence of the carbon tax on any of the other expenditure classes,” she said.

    However, she also notes that may change as businesses start receiving higher utility bills and pass on some of their higher energy costs.

    The Reserve Bank has said it would look through the inflationary impact of the carbon price, and the latest TD Securities monthly inflation gauge indicates that it can afford to, with underlying consumer price measures falling 0.1 per cent in July.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-06/carbon-tax-affecting-utility-prices/4179448

  60. rabbit, that is all that is there.

    Even as a kid, I thought it was funny for a place to have a name, and no buildings. I think it might have been where four properties met, before they were divided up.

  61. And a six foot whatever bird that is on your gravatar. But you keep telling us you’re small, so maybe just a five foot birdie.

  62. Roswell, I have to confess that to be the case with one 1 3/4″ in addition..however, as can be noted by my gravatar I can hang from tree branches by my feet..

  63. jaycee.

    No, not The Drum – try a “member only” section of a car forum. Just going there now to see what has happened since last night.

  64. jaycee,

    The response (after a bit of stirring by others as well).

    You are a mindless, tunnel visioned, wide eyed adoring totally controlled robotic slave to the great socialist principles that your ‘leaders’ preach. you are incapable of having any debate based on reason, and whatever the subject immediately resort to your ranting hatred of capitalists, (without whom all western countries would cease to exist) whether relevant to the argument or not. I wonder if you have a brain at all sometimes….certainly the one you have has been thoroughly ‘washed’. Why don’t you go and live in a socialist totalitarian state if you admire their principles so much? A ‘chardonay socialist’ if ever there was one. You are an IDIOT, and not worth bothering with. I certainly won’t read any of your future posts.

    And this person votes!

  65. …and back to important issues

    that strap on just won’t go away. Which whisperer is going to fess up re knowledge of gillards tool of choice?

  66. Here Here 2353. Reading the Whisperers comments it really is an intellectually sheltered workshop. It is a little tea cup community but a very close knit teacup community.
    I wonder what gillard meant when she said “there will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead”. It is pretty clear to those who reside outside of the whisperer’s community.
    …. another sunset,,,, another boat…….another day closer to an election.

  67. “I wonder what gillard meant when she said “there will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead”.”

    Not hard at all. The PM was talking about a carbon tax versus a cost on carbon emissions.

    Is that really hard to understand. That is what was being argued at the time. Mr. Abbott was one that asked, why not a tax instead of a pricing mechanism. based on market forces.

    I agree with Mr. Abbott, the bullying has to stop.

    http://www.blogotariat.com/node/502784

    The free speech I want, is one based on truth. Nothing less is acceptable.

  68. …….There will be No Carbon Tax under a Government I lead.
    Gillard will never spin her way out of it. Solid gold for Tony at the next election.
    Utter contempt by Gillard for the voters. Put aside the incompetence of gillard and the government for a moment……It is not hard to see why gillard has not regained the trust of the electorate by bending over for the Greens rather than being honest with the electorate..

  69. Tweed, stop for a minute. The PM is not spinning. What I wrote is pure fact.

    I do feel for you, if you have been taken in by Abbott’s spin and lies.

    What was said, or words to that effect, in the same statement.. was. I will not have a carbon tax. I will bring in a price on carbon emission. That is what has happened.

    Even if that was not the truth, it still would not be a lie. It would be a change of ones mind.

  70. ReachTEL has deftly targeted Campbell Newman’s electorate of Ashgrove with one of its automated phone polls: this one from a substantial sample of 661, with a margin of error of slightly below 4%. Daniel Hurst of Fairfax reports the poll has Labor 51.5-48.5 ahead if preferences are distributed as per the last election, compared with Newman’s 55.7-44.3 win at the state election. The primary votes are 41.1% for Labor (compared with 36.6% at the election), 42.8% for Campbell Newman (51.8%), 9.7% for the Greens (9.2%) and 4.0% for Katter’s Australian Party (1.7%).

    Also:

    • Newman’s performance received a 47.7% poor or very poor rating against 42.3% for good or very good.

    • 45.3% supported “the Newman government pledge to reduce the size of the Queensland public services to help reduce the state’s debt”, against 46.0% opposed.

    • 27.9% rated the state government’s financial position strong or very strong, against 34.0% poor or very poor and 38.1% average.

    I wouldn’t normally give such a poll its own post at this point of the electoral cycle, but besides the intrinsic interest of the figures, the Newman government and its federal implications seems a worthy topic for a dedicated thread. Labor will clearly seek to make capital out of Newman’s aggressive style during the federal election campaign, and the poll indicates that they will have something to work with – although it should be recalled that Labor went into the 1996 election hoping to win seats off the back of Jeff Kennett’s budget-slashing, for all the good it ended up doing them. I would also caution that the immediate aftermath of the breast screening flare-up was probably an inopportune time for a poll to have been conducted from Newman’s perspective.

    ReachTEL’s electorate-level polling has a patchy track record, but it seemed to do well in its very extensive coverage of Ashgrove before the state election. It apparently tracked the internal party polling closely in showing a steady narrowing in Newman’s lead up to the second last week, when Labor clawed its way to a statistic dead heat, followed by a blowout in Newman’s favour in the final week. The latter point may be telling, as it appeared many in Ashgrove fell in behind Newman because it had become incontrovertibly clear the LNP would win the election. The ReachTEL poll could well suggest that a lot of this apparent support remains very soft.

    The Ashgrove gamble having served its purpose, I would suggest that Newman now cop a hit to his pride and stake a claim on the first safe LNP seat that becomes available.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/08/07/reachtel-51-5-48-5-to-labor-in-ashgrove/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CrikeyBlogs%2Fpollbludger+%28The+Poll+Bludger%29

  71. Labor’s primary vote is improving, the latest Newspoll suggests, but the government is still well behind the opposition on a two-party preferred basis.
    Federal Labor’s primary vote has climbed five points to 33 per cent in the latest Newspoll.

    But the Gillard government still trails the coalition by a hefty margin on a two-party preferred basis 46 to 54 per cent.

    The previous poll, released a fortnight ago, had Labor 12 points behind the opposition 44 to 56 per cent.

    The new figures, published in The Australian, also suggest Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is leading Julia Gillard as preferred prime minister 38 to 36 per cent.

    But 26 per cent of the poll’s 1141 respondents said they were uncommitted to either Ms Gillard or Mr Abbott as leader, a figure not seen since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 when John Howard was prime minister and Simon Crean the opposition leader.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1678830/Poll-suggests-Labor-s-vote-up-five-points

  72. So I guess it means Abbott lied when he said a carbon price was the best way to go.

    And we know he lies and spins, my god how he spins, just about every time he speaks.

    And we know he’s an absolute failure on policy, economics and foreign policy.

    So going on Tweeds standard it’s good to see he won’t be voting for Abbott next election.

    Oh and Abbott is bringing in a carbon tax as well. But his is worse in that it will cost each household a minimum of $790pa, which is much more than the current carbon tax, but won’t be compensated for and by every measurement so far won’t work.

    We need not get into the $74b in unfunded liabilities of which only $50b has been addressed and that $50b was calculated on exposed very shonky figures.

    So again going on how Tweed judges a party its good to know he won’t have a bar to do with an Abbott Coalition.

    Good on you Tweed for having principals.

  73. Breathtaking CU. So when gillard said ..there will be no Carbon Tax under a Government I lead…. and then she announces after being told by the Greens to introduce a Carbon Tax and a Carbon Tax is legislated you say it never happened.
    Breathtaking position CU.
    … and as I said CU she has never recovered from the lie to the electorate. The electorate won’t forgive her. The tiny blinkered whisperer community will ignore her lies and continue to say it never happened.
    you guys are just …….dumb and in denial.
    … and the boats keep coming, the NBN continues to unravel, the surplus fades into the setting sun, rudd lurks at every turn, the Feds are now digging up the Union embezzlement facts, Craig has been quiet but he should be due for a run this month, Labor should have gone to the polls 3 months after they lost control of the government in 2010.
    Breathtaking stupidity as usual CU. Keep the faith as you guys get rolled by the grinding wheel of democracy.

  74. Cuppa
    looking at your vid its very clear that Abbott is making a comparison between an emission trading scheme and a simple carbon tax and then suggesting that as simple scheme is better. Its all couched it caveats that make it clear that he is talking purely hypothetically. He in no way commits to such a tax either then or now.
    So what was the point of your citation again?

  75. The only thing that the likes of Tweed and Iain add to the conversation is length to the page.

    Right wing BLAH BLAH BLAH

  76. Tweed, your comments have a desperation about them that I find quite entertaining.

    You seem oblivious to being the mirror version of the nutty left that so frightens you.

    Mercifully (and mathematically) you cancel each other out.

    That makes you, and you opinions, irrelevant.

  77. “But the Gillard government still trails the coalition by a hefty margin on a two-party preferred basis 46 to 54 per cent.

    The previous poll, released a fortnight ago, had Labor 12 points behind the
    opposition 44 to 56 per cent.”

    At that rate CU, using the same methodology Costello used to calculate the Qld debt, by the time the election comes around Labor will have 100% of the vote.

  78. Watching Q and A last night, which was recorded in Queensland, one did not get the impression that Labor was on the nose.

    In fact, the only one getting a chiacking was Senator Brandis.

    The first question raised was the metacentre that is dealt out to the PM. Most were strong in their belief that no other PM has had to endure what she has,

    The second was from a young woman asking how politicians think they are going to attract good young people to the fold. Her concern, that all the young see, is winning at all costs. Nothing else, such as doing things seem to count. What young person would want to enter this world. Except for Brandis, all appeared to agree, including tweets.

    Cando was heavily censured for his actions. NO one bought that the government was bankrupted. They did not trust Costello’s figures. Mr, Emerson pointed out the treasury figures pointed out that the Queensland budget would be back in surplus within three years. Mr. Emerson, said that the LNP has once again rejected the advice of the experts, treasury. I will add, do not forget, Mr. Costello is one of the founders of the HR Nicholls Society.

    When Senator Brandis attempted to paint the Australian economy in a bad light, he was literally laughed down.

    One could cut the air with the contempt that was coming across for Premier Newman.

    It was agreed, if Mr. Abbott was to become PM, he would be as Cando, and willdo.

    One suggested the song theme for Queensland should be the Highway to Hell.

    The way I see what is happening today, is KISS

    Keep it simple stupid.

    It is the economy..

    The economy that Labor has delivered since 2007, cannot be faulted.

  79. Not only that Min, but the headline of the story is “Julia Gillard’s carbon price promise ”

    Pretty unambiguous

    Which somehow has turned around 180 to become the worlds greatest lie. Simply jaw-dropping in it’s audacity, and completely unable to perpetrate without a concerted effort from a willing and able media.

  80. Tony Abbott said its impact on the cost of living would be “almost unimaginable.” Joe Hockey said it would “drive up the price of everything.” National’s Senate leader Barnaby Joyce said it would force working mothers to pay “over $100 for a roast.”

    Yet the first figures in on the price impact of the carbon tax show its effect contained and inflation shockingly low.

    The privately compiled TD Securities Melbourne Institute price index barely moved as the carbon tax came in in July. The total increase for the month was 0.2 per cent, taking the annual rate of inflation to just 1.5 per cent – the lowest in three years.

    TD Securities compiles the data monthly because the Bureau of Statistics will not. Its quarterly measure of inflation over the first three months of the carbon tax won’t be released until late October.

    But the TD gauge has a good record of tracking the ABS consumer price index. Over the past decade it is said to have been accurate to more than one hundred thousandth of a per cent. If what it has discovered is borne out in the official survey Australia won’t have much inflation at all when the impact of the carbon tax is officially tallied up.

    Its findings aren’t because energy prices didn’t rise. It reports a jump in electricity prices of 14.9 per cent and a jump in household gas prices of 10.3 per cent, almost all of which would have been due to the carbon tax. But the little-appreciated reality of consumer spending is that by themselves electricity and gas aren’t very important in household budgets. Combined, they make up 2.7 per cent of consumer spending. In contrast meals out and takeaway food account for 5.5 per cent and alcohol 4.8 per cent.

    While electricity and gas prices were going up other more important prices were falling. Petrol slid 2.7 per cent, insurance and financial services 0.7 per cent and local travel 2.7 per cent, mainly because of cheaper air fares.

    Economist Stephen Koukoulas who helped create the TD Securities index said the carbon tax appeared to have pushed up the cost of living 0.4 per cent, meaning without them the inflation gauge would have fallen 0.2 per cent in July.

    The outcome is consistent with the Treasury forecast of an inflation impact of tax of 0.7 per cent over twelve months.

    TD Securities research chief Annette Beacher said future impacts would most likely be smaller…

    “The immediate impact was always going to be on electricity and gas prices, because they are things that can be adjusted with a keystroke,” she told the Age /Herald. “In future we will be looking at delayed first round effects which could include things such as air fares which at some stage will have to reflect the increased cost of emissions. Later there will be second-round impacts on the cost of meat and other things that will be harder to measure.”

    http://www.petermartin.com.au/2012/08/truth-time-how-much-has-great-big-new.html

  81. Labor MP Michael Danby, who is Jewish, said Mr Abbott’s promise might give the green light to bigoted groups such as the far-right LaRouchites and Adelaide Institute.
    The Jewish community and many others had fought for these laws because racial hatred from some elements in the community was getting out of hand in mid-1990. ”We don’t want to go back to that darkness,” he said

    http://www.blogotariat.com/node/503960

  82. .Julia Gillard will give a speech this afternoon, about two years late, which finally acknowledges that state government-owned electricity network companies have been ripping us off to the tune of billions of dollars.
    While the media and opposition have been jumping up and down over the carbon price, they have been completely negligent in reporting on the main game behind a huge spike in electricity prices over the past five years. While much is made of the NBN, there has been precious little coverage of how government regulators signed-off on monopoly networks spending more than $40 billion within five years doing upgrades of poles and wires that it turns out we won’t need. The chart below illustrates the huge blow-out in electricity prices that started in 2007, well before the carbon price came into effect in July this year…

    http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/gillard-wakes-electricity-price-disgrace?utm_source=Climate%2BSpectator%2Bdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Climate%2BSpectator%2Bdaily

  83. Since the introduction of the carbon tax, Liberal MPs and candidates are closing their Twitter accounts..

  84. Tweed, not half, more like 10%.

    Gillard’s Electricity prices: the facts speech to the Energy Policy Institute of Australia finally acknowledges that state government-owned electricity network companies in NSW, Queensland and WA, have been gouging households since 2007.

    They have used the pricing of carbon as a cover. The reality is that energy price rises are well above the cost of the introduction of the carbon price and taking action on climate change. 9c of every dollar in an electricity bill (the retail price) is for the carbon price – and that’s fully compensated – while 51c is for the poles and wires.

    The government regulators signed-off on monopoly networks spending more than $40 billion within five years doing upgrades of poles and wires to serve peak demand for a few days a year. Approved network spending will keep driving prices up over the next two years at least – and much of it is questionable. It turns out that we won’t need this, since the very low wholesale prices over the last few years reflect the general state of oversupply on the National Electricity Market (NEM), due to falling demand.

    The state governments were able to pocket a huge windfall of additional revenue from their network businesses. They use their networks to siphoning off millions per year in dividends. The states have abused their dual roles as owners and regulators of power assets by over-investing to maximise dividends.

    http://www.sauer-thompson.com/archives/opinion/2012/08/power-industry.php

    http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/electricity-prices-facts-speech-energy-policy-institute-australia

  85. But now, we are better placed to act.

    First, because much of the vital policy work is nearing completion, including the Federal Government’s Energy White Paper.

    Second, because the round of price determinations starting next year will begin setting prices for years to come.

    And thirdly, and importantly, the last Council of Australian Governments meeting convinced me that there is an opportunity to act through COAG before the end of this year.

    http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/electricity-prices-facts-speech-energy-policy-institute-australia

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