In Control

To have effective control is to exercise an authoritative or dominating influence whilst having the ability to restrain that control.

Some of our present and recent politicians exercise it in odd ways.

Kevin Rudd was a control freak. Mark Latham was out of control. Tony Abbott has lost control. Julia Gillard is in control.

Let’s briefly consider each one individually.

To the Canberra bureaucrats it was no surprise that Kevin Rudd was whitewashed in the last leadership challenge against Julia Gillard. I use the word ‘last’ reservedly, as I’m sure the mainstream media will convince us that another challenge is only moments away. And another after that, and so on ad nauseum.

Those who work within the corridors of government will attest that Kevin Rudd is a control freak, to the point where working relationships become untenable. Critics had been quick to predict the demise of the Labor Government in discarding Rudd, given his electoral popularity. He was seen as the saviour of the current administration. That the party voted overwhelmingly to support Julia Gillard, despite the media prediction that to do so would result in doom, speaks volumes of their opinion of their former leader.

He is held in such contempt within Canberra’s bureaucratic community that no one wants to work with him because he is widely regarded as not only a control freak but a man possessing an obsessive superiority complex.

Not the qualities of a good leader.

In portraying himself as a victim and quick to blame the world for his woes, Mark Latham provides a stark contrast to Kevin Rudd. Booted from the leadership of Labor he went down in a screaming heap, punching and scratching as he went. In the years since, he has exercised no restraint in condemning the party he once led and who could forget his performance as a reporter in the 2010 election campaign where to observers he displayed all the characteristics of a sore loser and Labor ‘deserved’ to lose because of what the party did to him. His behaviour is not unlike the reaction of a spoiled child who missed out on his favourite lollies. Yet history has shown that if he had a bag of lollies he would never share them. The Prime Minister summed him up when she recently said:

You can’t preach compassion if you don’t show it to those nearest to you.

You can’t argue for fairness if you treat people unfairly.

You can’t stand for honesty, if you aren’t honest with yourself and your own.

A good leader is gracious in defeat. Mark Latham was not, and neither was Tony Abbott.

While his gaze is forever fixed on blaming Labor for denying him the keys to The Lodge, he is unable to notice that sitting directly behind him is the most incompetent, undisciplined, irresponsible rabble ever to occupy the benches of the Opposition. And why are they like that? The answer is simple: They do not have a leader who can provide direction or vision. It’s a two-edged sword.

I recently wrote:

Unable to lure the Government to the early election they have fought so hard for, the Opposition now comes across like a mob of dazed and confused rabbits caught in the headlights of a speeding media convoy. All of a sudden they have nowhere to run. Their incessant gibberish is desperate.

And that’s how they come across. A pack of rabbits running off in all directions with no leader to follow. Every decision contradicted. Lost for ideas.

They need a leader. They need a leader in control. Instead they get Tony Abbott.

He has not one attribute that could hope to inspire them. In order to lead and set direction a leader needs to inspire confidence in others and draw out the best efforts of his or her team to complete their tasks well. A leader who conveys confidence towards their objectives inspires the best effort from team members. Tony Abbott fails. He has lost control.

Consider the first line and a half from Kipling’s timeless poem If:

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs . . .

That doesn’t sound like Tony Abbott, does it? Not only has he lost control of his team but he is devoid of any self-control. His media and parliamentary performances attest to that.

He is the opposite of Julia Gillard; a person in total control.

The starkest difference between the two is that Julia Gillard is a person who has a vision, with the drive and commitment to achieve that vision. And also unlike Mr Abbott she possesses the skills to make it happen. You might argue that Kevin Rudd also had that vision and drive, and you will not get an argument from me, but he lacked the ability to lead by example and develop a cohesive team. Successful leaders empower others by managing their control.

Another aspect of Julia Gillard’s control is that she knows her team; what they are doing; what they are saying; and what makes them tick. She knows their strengths and their weaknesses. The former she nurtures, the latter she develops.

On the parliamentary floor they do not makes fools of themselves. They have a sense of self discipline. That is to her credit.

Across the floor sits a disorganised leader who isn’t leading, he’s simply chasing his tail. Disorganisation breeds nothing but more disorganisation. If you’re frazzled and chaotic, so too will your team will be. When you’re organised and in control you’ll be much more productive and so will everyone else in the team.

Even her thoughts are controlled. A person in control has the ability to listen and communicate effectively. She has a vision and can articulate it at all levels. Do Rudd, Latham or Abbott have that ability?

Being in control also manufactures a mental toughness. Nobody can lead without being criticised or without facing discouragement. In this sense, Julia Gillard is a great leader.

She is in control. She has control.

Julia Gillard speaking at the lanch of the Aus...

(Photo credit: Wikipedia)

112 comments on “In Control

  1. Fabulous post – I am a Project Manager by profession, with a strong personal and professional interest in leadership and the way it is used to drive organisational change. Your words rang true on so many levels. Strip the politics aside and you have still written an outstanding study on contemporary leadership traits. Great work, one to keep!

  2. From Tony Adams, you have still written an outstanding study on contemporary leadership traits. What else can I say but, Yes.

  3. Migs,

    mate I want some of what you have been smoking because it must be damn fine gear if you really believe this:

    The starkest difference between the two is that Julia Gillard is a person who has a vision, with the drive and commitment to achieve that vision. And also unlike Mr Abbott she possesses the skills to make it happen.

    well where is her vision to address the unending boat arrivals? To sell her useless carbon tax? To convince the Australian voters to support her government? Just how is she making anything beneficial to her government happen? If she had any real skills the government would not be so unpopular!

    You might argue that Kevin Rudd also had that vision and drive, and you will not get an argument from me, but he lacked the ability to lead by example and develop a cohesive team. Successful leaders empower others by managing their control.

    What he lacked was the ability to delegate but at least the people loved him.

    Another aspect of Julia Gillard’s control is that she knows her team; what they are doing; what they are saying; and what makes them tick. She knows their strengths and their weaknesses. The former she nurtures, the latter she develops.

    “develops their weaknesses eh? That must be where Craig Emerson got his singing lessons then!

    On the parliamentary floor they do not makes fools of themselves. They have a sense of self discipline. That is to her credit.

    Its called trying to be small targets!

    Across the floor sits a disorganised leader who isn’t leading, he’s simply chasing his tail. Disorganisation breeds nothing but more disorganisation. If you’re frazzled and chaotic, so too will your team will be. When you’re organised and in control you’ll be much more productive and so will everyone else in the team.

    Hmm yeah so disorganised that Abbott is the preferred PM in the all of the polling and his party is set to thrash Labor at the next election!

    Even her thoughts are controlled. A person in control has the ability to listen and communicate effectively. She has a vision and can articulate it at all levels. Do Rudd, Latham or Abbott have that ability?

    How can you possibly be privy to Gillard thoughts? and every time I hear her speak all she does is deliver the Labor talking points in that annoying nasal strine.

  4. Great blog, right on, thanks, IT’S TIME for her supporters to be promoting the achievements, JG’s work ethic, her determination, professionalism and management skills. Iain, I agree her voice is nasally, but so is almost every American accent, non of us are perfect, and she too has her faults, but I believe the MMS have done her a great dis-service, not reporting achievements and falling in behind the 3 word slogan’s, dished out, unchallenged, spouted by the unprincipled TA and his band of NO-IT-ALL blind followers. (that’s say No to everything, and we KNOW it all, we don’t take advice) Regards, my first WordPress post.

  5. “Yes!” to every word you say!
    Why don’t we hear that every day?
    Our Prime Minister is Okay!
    Julia Gillard rates Triple A!

    She’s always admired overseas
    For how easily she shoots the breeze
    With little folk and the big cheese.
    With Caucus she’s the bees knees!

    Many experts, who ought to know,
    Have told us that she’s all the go
    With public servants. who’re aglow.
    Now Miglo here confirms it’s so.

    That’s why she scares the Coalition,
    Our hysterical Opposition,
    Who share mad Tony’s premonition
    That she’s done for his ambition.

    See how she’s praised by Independents
    For all her talents and achievements.
    It’s not just we ALP attendants
    Who want more years of her ascendance!

  6. lain,Hmm yeah so disorganised that Abbott is the preferred PM, so why did Abbott run from the floor of the parliament, If he is the preferred PM and leader of the opposition, is he the best they have Do not think so.

  7. “mate I want some of what you have been smoking because it must be damn fine gear if you really believe this:”

    Once again the personal. Tell us why he is wrong.

    Do not fear, the boat trade will be dealt with shortly. Not Abbott’s way though.

  8. Migs
    Another fine effort I am just sipping my tea with Jim Reeves serenading me in the background.

    If the pollsters only contact land line connections they are missing out on a small percentage of the populace who I am sure would not be supporting the noalition with their current technology offerings under any circumstances.

    The Melbourne by-election showed the real numbers out there and as Tony Windsor has commented in the past Labor should just get on and govern for all and ignore the polls and let the voters have their say next year.

    Just think if there were no published polls for three months or even longer, the journo’s would have to think, (unlikly one might say) and may be talk about policies instead of repeating the same claptrap every couple of weeks. Groundhog fortnight reality is what we seem to be living in.

  9. Tony Abbott is not in control of his party, Hockey contradicts his leader on Fiscal policy, we do not know where the communications policy is, one minister says one thing and another says something completely different. Why Abbott even contradicts himself, trashing the economy while here in Australia and then praising the Economy when over seas, He even contradicted his own Climate change Policy, where does the Coalition stand. Iain could you explain to us where they stand.

  10. Tom, it’s not what it is with the left and cigars..it’s what it is with Migs and cigars, it goes with his flat whites..and very well.

  11. Iain said

    well where is her vision to address the unending boat arrivals? To sell her useless carbon tax? To convince the Australian voters to support her government? Just how is she making anything beneficial to her government happen? If she had any real skills the government would not be so unpopular!

    “Unending boat arrivals” – Australia has got under 10000 people this year by leaky boat, most countries in Europe have millions. The difference is that the leaders of most European countries can’t lower themselves to the level of using people’s lives for perceived political advantage. Abbott can.

    “useless carbon tax” – firstly there is no tax as it is not compulsory, it is a levy in the same way as a speeding fine is not compulsory. If you don’t emit the carbon (or do the speed), you don’t pay it. Secondly there are a number of US states, China and Europe also introducing a carbon pricing scheme. Most countries can do it without a political leader who admits there is a problem but is prepared to tax the rest of us to pay emitters who in return have to consider action to maybe reduce emissions while planting forests of trees in areas that either can’t support forests or reduce available grazing or cropping land.

    “Support the Government” – leaders will tell you they make decisions because they are right – not popular. The next election is yonks away and since the sky didn’t fall on July 1 (and various towns around Australia that Abbott claimed would suffer pestilence and disaster still exists), the NDIS looks to be a goer everywhere but Queensland (and doesn’t that phrase bring back memories), Gillard has the proof of achievement and relevance. Something that Abbott lacks and has done so for years.

  12. dear editor
    this year i got one of my staff on a future leaders program run by our department and, for what its worth, she came back early on with this cute little video about management styles:-

    for me, quite illuminating, metaphorically speaking. comes in at twenty minutes, nice soundtrack.
    yours sincerely
    alfred venison

  13. Migs
    My response is “He’ll have to Go”(Tones that is).
    Min
    My response is “Devil Woman” Marty Robbins.

  14. Alfred, I for one will watch your video with interest. TED Talks are always very illuminating.

  15. so he’s got form, Roswell. that i didn’t know, but i really enjoyed this one, more than i thought i would at first. he gets across some helpful notions using a novel metaphor that is personally appealing.
    cheers
    a.v.

  16. Juliar Gillard, as Mike Carlton points out, seems for a PM to have a major flaw. She is unable to cut through. The primary support for the ALP has not moved for months and that prefigures an electoral wipeout as has occurred in NSW and Queensland. With respect to leadership, her greatest flaw was that she took on the job in the first place, showing a fundamental lack of self awareness. We seem to have a bevy of second-rate politicians, so what that say about the political process? Perhaps we are all to blame.

  17. Mig, the Opposition is like what I suspect many of the young WW1 volunteers were as they marched in their new uniforms down the main street of various cities to the cheers of the crowd prior to hopping on the ships ….. full of excitement, adrenalin, so proud and upbeat shoulder to shoulder in their new uniforms.

    We all know that such feelings were transient and quite the opposite to their eventual feelings as they endured the terrible reality, once on active service in Europe.

    The coalition rabble behind Abbott are high on adrenalin; their march down the main street to cheering crowds still continues in their minds and emotions ……. inspired by their delusional assessment that The Pug is the man to lead them to victory ……. shoulder to shoulder “it’s so great …… Tony will lead us to victory, no sweat, what a breeze it is.” No sense of reality.

    After 2 years of waiting and expectation that it will happen tomorrow, they still believe that real “war” will never come ….. JG the enemy will meekly capitulate. Their adrenalised high still lets them enjoy this confidence.

    They have no idea that at the end of 2013, their boat will put them ashore to fight a real battle …. the election campaign. There will be nowhere to run and hide. Watch them thrash around hopelessly and desperately when those days arrive.

    “We’ve as good as won the Lodge ……. soon now!” ….. a mirage ….. fool’s gold ……. the hallucinations of the intoxicated.

  18. Migs, I am probably a little less harsh on Rudd than many. You would know far better than I, but was his reputation for micro-management real or an exaggeration of the press?

    From my own perspective, I could imagine that Rudd would visualise The Big Picuture and it would often frustrate him that many could not.

  19. psyclaw, what a good analogy.

    The soldiers in the Coalition are pumped-up to take on the world, but too bad all the adrenalin has rushed to their vocal chords.

    I have a theory that when people get an adrenalin rush to their talking box, the brain switches off altogether and produces tiny thought bubbles whilst it’s winding down. The life threatening event can only be reversed once the victim stops talking.

  20. Migs, that theory would indeed fit in with many ideas pertaining to our ancient ancestors. In a world of physical dangers, a quick reaction was required – watch out that sabre tooth tiger is about to pounce. No time to think, only to react hence the need for an adrenaline rush.

    Is that me you are referring to in if a person ever stops talking. 😉

  21. Mig, excellent perception of leadership. Being another poll week for News Ltd’s Newspoll, we can expect the usual media beatup on Ruddstoration. Take that and the plight of Asylum Seekers out of the equation and the sniveling MSM have nothing with which to attack Ms Gillard and her outstanding reform record. I notice the talk and demonising of the carbon pricing has practically disappeared. Leaves a great big black hole in Abbotts psycho manipulation of facts.
    I note the troll Hall crawled out from under the rock, must be seeking enlightenment from your wise words!! Great article.

  22. I note the troll Hall crawled out from under the rock,…

    I thought he dwelt under a bridge, dafid1. Perhaps his rock is under a bridge. 😕

    Min @12.15pm, takes your breath away, doesn’t it? Hypocrisy so sweeping leaves you gobsmacked. Are there no depths he won’t sink to and no f*cken lies he won’t tell?

  23. A brain farting universe where the noxious gasses build up between his ears creating a distortion of the truth, addling his thought processes, making him run away when asked a kindergarten question from a reporter and freezing him on the spot when it screws up his fight or flight instinct. But most of all a fart bubble occasionally escapes from his mouth and whereas in his brain fart universe he sees a few dollars in a promise it comes out as a few billion.

  24. Min, it is OK to attack those who received the education allowance and accuse them of putting the money through pokies.

    it OK to attack the worker. especially if they have the hide to be an unionist.

    Just listened to Swan Button speech. He has said the same as Obama said.

    That is big business does not create wealth on their own. They need the worker, the customer sand the infrastructure that the taxpayer provided.

    Yes, the likes of Forester may have given much to Australia, but nowhere near what Australia has given them.

    According to Abbott, one must not attack Can do, but it is OK to remove the rights of all PS in his state. It is OK to not only sack, but remove the rights and conditions of all that are left.

    Maybe Mr. Abbott can tell us, why we should all have to bow and scrape to the wealthy.

    At the end of the day, there is no wealth creates unless something is grown dug out of the ground or made.

    Money is a tool to create wealth but it needs labour and materials to bring it into being.

    Like the horse and cart, they go together, you cannot have one without the other.

  25. psyclaw, what a good analogy.

    As long as its not too good … the Allies won WWI … to the cheers of the crowd prior to hopping on the ships … The Germans didn’t leave on ships … France Belgium and Holland were just a border away (no ships) …

    And then I thought … no … what an awful analogy … men dying in trenches for a cause they knew nothing about … and a pointless one at that …

    A bit like calling athletes “Heros” … nup, awful analogy!

  26. Min, were does Abbott touch anywhere on reality. It is not mine, and I suspect most others.

    He lives in a world of his own that has naught to do with reality.

    It will be our reality, if he ever gets into power.

  27. Everything Abbott does and says is ordained by the catholic church, He does nothing without the church approval and with the blessing of Opus Dei, the secretive shadowy catholic society. Remember many of his cohorts in his party and media are also fervent catholics. I have talked conspiracies, not fanciful as I am a brought up catholic and have been involved in many of their societies, until realising the lengths they go to obtaining outcomes they demand. No place for me.
    Study the Jesuits, not a group to be messed with. They set the standard Abbott conducts his life on.

  28. Cu, it’s an impression that I often get..he seems to think that whatever he says is God’s Own Truth. I think that this is why he goes into a mad panic and can’t get away quickly enough when any of his reality is questioned. He simply cannot comprehend any other reality than that of his own.

  29. To add, I think that Abbott is going to be in very big strife if he does become PM as he is going to be continuously faced with a reality other than his own..but sigh..the msm will probably continue their job of covering up for him..

  30. It might be different if he’s PM even if the msm do worship him. If he can’t deliver on his promises, no amount of spin will save him.

    I hope.

  31. Roswell I agree, the people will start to ask the question, why, when the tax was dropped are my power bills still going up when the LNP said prices were going to go down. Why are interest rates going up but my wage is going down. He will have to answer these questions and no spin will help.

  32. This is Iain answer to my Question on the Coalitions Policy on PPL

    ME: Why is it that TA wants to dismantle the Carbon Price on companies, which on affects just over 300 companies

    Iain: The part that I have emboldened is where you enunciate a false assumption, the carbon TAX will affect every aspect of our economy as there is no way under heaven that those “300″ (its more than that) companies won’t increase the cost of their commodities or services to the rest of us The knock on effect is going to be truly massive, something that Gillard acknowledges by creating a massive money churn to “compensate” those people receiving government payments.

    ME: but wants to bring in a PPL to be funded by a 1.5 percent levy on companies with taxable incomes in excess of $5 million. The levy will apply only to taxable income in excess of $5 million. Now this would be more than 300 companies would it not.

    IAIN: While the number of companies who will have to pay this levy may well exceed 300 the affect on the greater economy will be orders of magnitude smaller than the Carbon TAX and its the effect on the economy as a whole that matters is it not?

  33. Iain does not want to answer the question, the impact of the Carbon Price is very minimal, I would like to know why TA is going to implement a Tax on more companies and have an impact on everyone and that is only going to benefit very few people. I believe the current PPL scheme is good, although it does not benefit me. or impact me, where’s TA policy will.

  34. Paul as the makeup of a trolls brain is very similar to that of pre mentioned sausage, the problem is for Iain the Troll, his thoughts are all mushy and sticky with main ingredient breadcrumbs. Not a receipe for intelligence.

  35. This is what I wrote at mine in answer to essentially the same question you pose here:

    Paul
    The the tax from the PPL will help the whole nation because it will encourage/enable some of our best and brightest women to have children and experience teaches us that intelligent and high achieving parents tend to produce like minded offspring. That way we won’t need to import so many skilled people in the future. Don’t you think that would be good for the country?
    In any event who is going to benefit form the Carbon tax? Apart from the spivs and shonks that is.

  36. Iain, In any event who is going to benefit form the Carbon tax? Apart from the spivs and shonks that is.

    I think you answered your own Question there.

  37. Paul
    The the tax from the PPL will help the whole nation because it will encourage/enable some of our best and brightest women to have children and experience teaches us that intelligent and high achieving parents tend to produce like minded offspring. That way we won’t need to import so many skilled people in the future. Don’t you think that would be good for the country?

    Iain so your saying only the brightest and most experienced people should have children, the poor and untrained should not have any children.

  38. paulwello @ 3:48 pm

    Iain, In any event who is going to benefit form the Carbon tax? Apart from the spivs and shonks that is.

    I think you answered your own Question there.

    So if you think, as I do, that only the spivs and shonks will benefit from the carbon tax then why do you endorse it?
    paulwello @ 4:04 pm

    Iain so you(‘re) saying only the brightest and most experienced people should have children, the poor and untrained should not have any children.

    No I’m not saying any such thing. I am only saying that at present there are lots of disincentives that discourage too many career women from having their children when they are biologically best suited to do so (when they are young and fertile)and the opposition scheme is designed to address that.

  39. Iain, I endorse the Government’s plan as it gives incentives to companies to reduce there Carbon footprint and to invest in green technologies.

    So Iain, your saying the current Governments policy does not do this, It only encourages the young and untrained to have children. So what disincentives are stopping these career women now from having there children.

  40. paulwello

    Iain, I endorse the Government’s plan as it gives incentives to companies to reduce there(sic) Carbon footprint and to invest in green technologies.

    Actually the only incentive it provides is to raise the prices of their product or service, But if that is your desired outcome then wouldn’t it be far more economically efficient to just require business to meet ever tougher standards by regulation? That way you could cut the shonks and spivs out of the loop.

    So Iain, your saying the current Governments policy does not do this, It only encourages the young and untrained to have children. So what disincentives are stopping these career women now from having there children.

    Imagine for a minute that you are a career woman of child bearing age do you really think that being paid the equivalent to the dole as a maternity benefit is going to compensate you for the pause in your career while you make a new Australian? Or do you think that you might just keep putting it off until you have paid of more of your mortgage? Or until the time is “better”?

  41. So Iain, money is the only reason women are having children then. They are not being paid the dole while on PPL with this govt, maybe you should look it up. lazy liberal.

  42. paulwello

    So Iain, money is the only reason women are having children then. They are not being paid the dole while on PPL with this govt, maybe you should look it up. lazy liberal.

    Well i never said that they would be paid “the dole” what I said was that they would get a benefit of similar magnitude.

  43. Iain and,

    Imagine for a minute that you are a career woman of child bearing age do you really think that being paid the equivalent to the dole as a maternity benefit is going to compensate you for the pause in your career while you make a new Australian? Or do you think that you might just keep putting it off until you have paid of more of your mortgage? Or until the time is “better”?

    Clearly the problem is not to do with paid maternity leave, the problem is to do with housing affordability.

    I do not know of one single woman, not in my circle of friends nor that of my adult daughter’s who want to return to work soon after a baby is born, but that it’s a necessity in order to meet mortgage repayments. And don’t get me started on why 1:1 contact from a carer is so very important in the first 2 year’s of a child’s life.

  44. What’s so incongruous about watching Iain attempting to defend Abbott’s policy is that if Abbott had kept his pledge and not bought in a scheme. Iain would be defending that with arguments just as specious and far fetched as the ones he’s currently using to defend the policy.

  45. Min I understand where you are coming from but don’t forget the time constraints that a woman’s biological clock puts on the issue either

    ME
    You are wrong on that BTW

  46. Amazing how the fekin troll regards itself as correct on every topic, that is one of many reasons it deserves all that is thrown at it. Now its an expert on a womans biological clock !!! Certainly its an expert on degrading women

  47. Didn’t Abbott once say there would never be a PPL on his watch?

    ‘Under this Government’ was the phrase.
    That this is being taken so seriously by the media, when we know it nothing but clusterf*&^k, is the most remarkable thing about it all.

    That, and why pay those who can most afford it even more, at the expense of those who can’t?

    I listened to a recent Something Wonky podcast, and they raised the point that during a recent Q&A, a lib pollie said that the difference between the Carbon Price on 300 polluters, and a PPL on many more companies, was that it only lasts 9 months

    This was not challenged at all. Even though the complete and absolute lack of reason and logic attached to the remark was there for all to see.

  48. I don’t think I am going on form. But if I am then I look forward to all your profound criticisms of Abbott when he breaks his promises, goes back on his word, brings in unfair and terrible policies and turns out to be a terrible PM in the mould of the Premier Newman. It will be good to see you not make excuses for his failures as you now do.

  49. Actually you can add Barnett, Bailieu and O’Farrell to Newman as well, though Newman certainly seems to be racing for the greatest a’hole of a leader in the shortest amount of time ever.

  50. Min
    I was rushed for time yesterday so please allow me to answer this in more detail this morning:

    I do not know of one single woman, not in my circle of friends nor that of my adult daughter’s who want to return to work soon after a baby is born, but that it’s a necessity in order to meet mortgage repayments. And don’t get me started on why 1:1 contact from a carer is so very important in the first 2 year’s of a child’s life.

    In my own family I have always been the primary carer for our children so I am right with you on the value of parental care for the first few years of a child’s life, It also lays the foundations of a lifelong closeness IMHO>

    dafid1 @ 6:46 pm

    Amazing how the fekin troll regards itself as correct on every topic, that is one of many reasons it deserves all that is thrown at it. Now its an expert on a womans(sic) biological clock !!! Certainly its an expert on degrading women

    Hmm why is it that all you seem to be able to produce is piss and vinegar? And flat out falsehoods? If you are an example of the contemporary left then clearly some root and branch pruning is in order!

    Cue dafid1 insisting that I am suggesting violence against him, which I’m not.

    Get a grip man and try to find some perspective because you clearly lack it at present.

  51. As expected when on the back foot the troll resorts to outright lies…your quote troll ..
    ” Cue dafid1 insisting that I am suggesting violence against him, which I’m not.” …now prove that statement exactly. as you have been quoted, low life. Where have I said you are suggesting violence against me? Direct me to it.

  52. dafid1 @ 11:14 am

    As expected when on the back foot the troll resorts to outright lies…your quote troll ..
    Cue dafid1 insisting that I am suggesting violence against him, which I’m not.” …now prove that statement exactly. as you have been quoted, low life. Where have I said you are suggesting violence against me? Direct me to it.

    You fail at basic comprehension so to help you understand just where you have gone wrong:

    A cue is a signal to a person to do something. (noun)

    An example of cue is a word in a play telling an actor when to come on stage.
    An example of cue is a girlfiend hinting to her boyfriend that she’d like to get married.
    Source

    Maybe you need to reprise primary school english.
    Oh and an apology would be appropriate too but I doubt that you have the good grace to offer that.

  53. “You fail at basic comprehension so to help you understand just where you have gone wrong:”

    Who gives you the right to judge?

    No apology is required. You are out of order.

  54. Troll you are fekin mentally unstable, yu burble manure as a cow in the field drops it.
    You attempt to cover yourself by going off on wild tangents..you are fortunate I am not running this site, you would be blackballed. You are a liberal troll, nothing but.

  55. Catching up @ 3:38 pm

    “You fail at basic comprehension so to help you understand just where you have gone wrong:”

    Who gives you the right to judge?

    Well I do have a degree in English (Drama and Language in the Media) but besides that “dafid1” was insisting that I was lying on the basis of his clear misunderstanding of the word “cue”

    No apology is required. You are out of order.

    No you are 100% wrong.


    dafid1 @ 3:40 pm

    Troll you are fekin mentally unstable, yu burble manure as a cow in the field drops it.
    You attempt to cover yourself by going off on wild tangents..you are fortunate I am not running this site, you would be blackballed. You are a liberal troll, nothing but.

    You see I was spot on about you lacking any good graces dafid1 just as I was spot on about you failing to understand the meaning of the word “cue”.

  56. Dafid,

    How about toning it down a bit, we don’t need that sort comment. This blog is know for informed debate not childish name calling.

  57. Dafid,

    I would have thought that this decision is up to Admin rather than for you to demand it.

  58. “Well I do have a degree in English (Drama and Language in the Media) but besides that “dafid1″ was insisting that I was lying on the basis of his clear misunderstanding of the word “cue”

    Well at last we know what your qualifications are.

    I have a degree in Social Science and a Associate Diploma in Welfare.

    I believe this also means something as well.

    Let us into the secret that your degree allow you to work in. In other words, what is your job.

    Whatever it is, it does not give you the tight to judge others.

  59. Dafid, I think we’re the only left-leaning blog that allows Iain to comment.

    If he is the voice of the ‘right’ then it’s fair to say he’ll never get their message across. 😉

  60. With you AntonyG. Either debate Iain’s wrongfulness, which is just about everything, and do it civilly, or scroll past him.

    You lose the argument once you go down to abuse, which is why the conservatives have lost the argument on merit and have resorted to abusing Gillard and making up lies about government and government policy. They can’t debate on merit so this is what you should point out and debate on, the utter failings of this dysfunctional opposition, their lack of lucid policy frameworks and Abbott’s obvious failings as a decent human being, and it’s not as though you haven’t got good examples to go by in the Liberal and LNP governments.

  61. AntonyG, I’m happy to live with both.

    I don’t think Iain’s doing a good job of convincing anyone his argument is worthwhile. 🙂

  62. “I would have thought that this decision is up to Admin rather than for you to demand it.”

    Sorry,when one is being attacked, we do not need admin to stand up for us. We are capable of doing this ourselves. I believe in treating others as they treat me.

    I do not appreciate Iain’s put downs that he turns to. every time he is challenged. When the man comes back with facts and evidence, I might have some respect for him. I fear that day will never happen.

  63. Miglo, you are correct, He has not got one person on side. Saying that, I reserve the right to treat him,. as he does us,

    Nothing more. Nothing less.

  64. MO, Iain is here for one reason and one reason only. He is here to make this site ineffective,

    I believe that every left wing site will be under similar attack.

    If you do not believe me, go and have a real a look at his site.

  65. Mobius Ecko,

    It’s all a matter of choice. If people don’t like what Iain is saying and I agree with him on just about nothing, then scroll on past him. My opinion also, you go one on one with personal abusive then you’re going down to their level.

  66. Me, I hope that does not mean, we have to lie down and die. I will still stay with the PM, this is not going to happen.

    Sorry, I believe it is time we took off the kid gloves with the likes of Iain and exposed then for what they are about.,.

    They are a part of a conspiracy to bring down the PM.

  67. They are a part of a conspiracy to bring down the PM.

    And subsequently, subject their own grandchildren to the degradations of SerfChoices.

  68. Maybe cuppa, but they are not here to debate. They are here to stop debate from happening .

  69. Cu,

    If they’re Coalition supporters, then by extension they support the WorkChoicing of their neighbours and loved ones, yours and mine. There’s a word for those who knowingly help to impose ill on others… but I won’t use in here!

  70. AntonyG @ 4:08 pm

    Dafid,

    How about toning it down a bit, we don’t need that sort comment. This blog is know for informed debate not childish name calling.

    Something that we agree on 🙂

    dafid1 @ 4:08 pm

    troll I understand well… the word is fucue.

    🙄
    dafid1 @ 4:09 pm

    Oh dear Antony so sorry to hurt your feelings, if its known for informed debate what is the troll doing here?

    Well I’m not the one losing their cool and throwing abuse into the comment threads.

    Catching up
    August 5, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

    “Well I do have a degree in English (Drama and Language in the Media) but besides that “dafid1″ was insisting that I was lying on the basis of his clear misunderstanding of the word “cue”

    Well at last we know what your qualifications are.

    I have a degree in Social Science and a Associate Diploma in Welfare.

    I believe this also means something as well.

    Well I knew that because you have mentioned it before

    Let us into the secret that your degree allow you to work in. In other words, what is your job.

    Whatever it is, it does not give you the tight to judge others.

    Surely you don’t define people only by their profession CU? the only reason I cited may degree was to point out that I do know what I am saying when it comes to the meaning of most words in English, especially if I have used them in sentence.
    Miglo@ 4:15 pm

    Dafid, I think we’re the only left-leaning blog that allows Iain to comment.

    If he is the voice of the ‘right’ then it’s fair to say he’ll never get their message across. 😉

    Not so actaully I often comment at New Matilda and various other lefty blogs when they write something interesting.
    Möbius Ecko @ 4:15 pm

    With you AntonyG. Either debate Iain’s wrongfulness, which is just about everything, and do it civilly, or scroll past him.

    Fair enough M E

    You lose the argument once you go down to abuse, which is why the conservatives have lost the argument on merit and have resorted to abusing Gillard and making up lies about government and government policy.

    We conservatives are all individuals and as such its inappropriate to suggest that we all lose the argument if a few of our number resort to abuse and name calling. By your logic Jane would have long ago lost all of your arguments here at the Cafe

    They can’t debate on merit so this is what you should point out and debate on, the utter failings of this dysfunctional opposition, their lack of lucid policy frameworks and Abbott’s obvious failings as a decent human being, and it’s not as though you haven’t got good examples to go by in the Liberal and LNP governments.

    No you are so wrong if the opposition are failing then the government is failing more according to their consistently woeful polling!

    Miglo @ 4:17 pm

    AntonyG, I’m happy to live with both.

    I don’t think Iain’s doing a good job of convincing anyone his argument is worthwhile. 🙂

    Thanks fro your hospitality Migs/

    Catching up @ 4:23 pm

    Sorry,when one is being attacked, we do not need admin to stand up for us. We are capable of doing this ourselves. I believe in treating others as they treat me.

    I am trying to treat you with respect CU

    I do not appreciate Iain’s put downs that he turns to. every time he is challenged. When the man comes back with facts and evidence, I might have some respect for him. I fear that day will never happen.

    What put downs?

    Catching up @ 4:27 pm

    Miglo, you are correct, He has not got one person on side. Saying that, I reserve the right to treat him,. as he does us,

    Nothing more. Nothing less.

    Well as I said earlier I love a challenge but I don’t treat anyone here badly.

    Catching up @ 4:34 pm

    MO, Iain is here for one reason and one reason only. He is here to make this site ineffective,

    I believe that every left wing site will be under similar attack.

    Please lose the paranoia I have no agenda other than seeking some spirited discussion and debate. But what do you think that

    this site exists for?

    If you do not believe me, go and have a real a look at his site.

    What so offends you about my site CU?

    Möbius Ecko @ 4:36 pm

    Cu I know about Iain and his infamy and why he does what he does.

    🙄
    I more sinned against than sinner mate

    Catching up @ 5:11 pm

    Me, I hope that does not mean, we have to lie down and die. I will still stay with the PM, this is not going to happen.

    Sorry, I believe it is time we took off the kid gloves with the likes of Iain and exposed then for what they are about.,.

    They are a part of a conspiracy to bring down the PM.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
    You problem is that there is no need to create any conspiracy to bring down the PM because she is doing a damn fine job of that all by herself with a bit of help from her Labor colleges.

    Cuppa @ 5:15 pm

    They are a part of a conspiracy to bring down the PM.

    And subsequently, subject their own grandchildren to the degradations of SerfChoices.

    No its “climatechoices” you have to worry about!!!!

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Catching up@ 5:44 pm

    Maybe cuppa, but they are not here to debate. They are here to stop debate from happening .

    How can you have any sort of debate if you are all in furious agreement?

  71. Cuppa @ 6:22 pm

    If they’re Coalition supporters, then by extension they support the WorkChoicing of their neighbours and loved ones, yours and mine. There’s a word for those who knowingly help to impose ill on others… but I won’t use in here!

    Not at all Cuppa, I have consistently argued that “workchoices” was a bad idea and that it went too far. I believe that the coalition has learnt its lesson and that Tony Abbott is sincere when he says its “dead buried and cremated”

  72. “I believe that the coalition has learnt its lesson and that Tony Abbott is sincere when he says its “dead buried and cremated”…I rest my case re the troll.

  73. Iain, you still haven’t answered my question what are shonks and spivs in relation to the carbon price.

  74. “climatechoices” Iain is that the new word for the Coalitions climate policy, u seem to have inside knowledge.

  75. The Superdud Flip-Flops.

    Against a Parental leave scheme… then for one.

    For a carbon tax…. then against one.

    Climate change is crap… No, it isn’t.

    No new taxes… Then, Let’s have a Great Big New Tax.

    SerfChoices is dead, buried and cremated…. Haha, tricked you didn’t I!

  76. Yeah babies, let the hatred flow!

    TONY ABBOTT, PM.
    TONY ABBOTT, PM.
    TONY ABBOTT, PM.
    TONY ABBOTT, PM.
    TONY ABBOTT, PM.
    TONY ABBOTT, PM.
    TONY ABBOTT, PM.
    TONY ABBOTT, PM.
    TONY ABBOTT, PM.
    TONY ABBOTT, PM.

    LABOR @ UNIONS DESTROYED…got my popcorn.

  77. dafid1 @ 6:42 pm

    “I believe that the coalition has learnt its lesson and that Tony Abbott is sincere when he says its “dead buried and cremated”…I rest my case re the troll.

    Are you incapable of accepting an honest opinion if it contradicts your own?

    paulwello@ 6:58 pm

    Iain, you still haven’t answered my question what are shonks and spivs in relation to the carbon price.

    But I have answered your question Paul, several times

    paulwello@ 7:01 pm

    “climatechoices” Iain is that the new word for the Coalitions climate policy, u seem to have inside knowledge.

    Besides the fact that I use that epithet to describe the Labor scheme I think that you have missed the implications of me calling it that. What it boils down to is the simple observation that before 2007 “workchoices” was a big mistake for the Coalition and something that is trotted out as a scare tactic still by Lefties like yourself even though its is now categorically disavowed by the opposition. At the next election and in particular in the years that follow the fall of Labor their “clean energy future” will be even more of a millstone for Labor that Work choice has been for the Coalition.

    Min @ 7:03 pm

    Paul.. “climatechoices”.. like it, has a certain ring to it..

    Yep and I invented the epithet Min even though you use it in reference to the wrong party I’ll take that as a complement

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