Welcome to Abbott’s Australia

Some very sick people worship Tony Abbott.

He stands in front of them as they hold signs calling Julia Gillard a bitch or a slut.  He rubs shoulders with them after they’ve said on air that Julia Gillard should be dumped at sea.  He supports members of his party who suggest Julia Gillard should be kicked to death.  He also fails to reprimand those in his party who say Julia Gillard she needs a bullet.

Now we see this. Now removed.

Yep, these are the same people who cry the loudest when a refugee drowns or an Australian cow is mistreated in an Indonesian abattoir.

I’m too repulsed to write much, however, I’m sure we’ll all find something to say about this horrid behavior.

Tony Abbott, stop being a head-kicking bully and try setting an example for the scum you’re setting out to impress.

253 comments on “Welcome to Abbott’s Australia

  1. I reported this and the page it was published on to the Australian Federal Police last night, as did many others. This kind of thing frightens me.

  2. Well done, Mandy.

    I thought twice about posting this as I don’t want this sort of stuff publiised. But I felt there is a need to highlight how sick this country is becoming. Something needs to be done.

  3. Frightening, really. I don’t have a lot of words to add – it actually makes me very sad that as a supposed civilised, intelligent nation we manage to come across as ignorant cave dwelling fools. Honestly Australia, wake up. *sigh*

  4. I feel sick to my stomach seeing that …. and IF I saw anybody do the same to Tony Abbott.. I would be JUST as outraged..
    THIS IS AUSTRALIA.. we do not nor ever have advocated assassination and violence..

    ANYBODY who thinks this behaviour ( regardless of the politics) is acceptable .. is sick twisted vile and evil..

    WE ARE A BETTER PEOPLE THAN THAT..

    sorry but I am already feeling Net-Weary.. That .. kind of stuff doesn’t help..

  5. Miglo or Min .. can I suggest you send this to Tony Windsor.. cc it to Both the PM and LOTO .. and Jonathon Holmes .. Somebody has to start saying something

  6. The Tea Party seems to be losing it’s sting in the USA.

    Appears to be well alive here.

    Wonder if Mr. Abbott will visit them on his ten days over seas.

    So I am wrong, according to some, that the politics of hate and loathing are in full force here.

    Mr. Abbott has taken us from Mr. Howard’s regime of fear to one of hate.

    Well done. Mr. Abbott.

  7. Police investigate threats against Windsor
    Ninemsn, 04 March 2011

    Federal police are investigating further political threats against Independent MP Tony Windsor after his Wikipedia site was changed to report he had been assassinated.

    Windsor found out yesterday that his unauthorised Wikipedia page had been altered to read that the member for New England “became the first political [sic] to be assassinated in Australian history.”

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8219784/police-investigate-threats-against-windsor

  8. Migs, it’s important that people do realise that this is what is happening via Hate Groups. It might seem just the work of a radical, but add to this the inflamatory words from the shock jocks and their nodding heads when they agree about a bullet to the head..then factor in our own leader of the opposition playing along with it all…it makes it all very kosher. A bullet to the head for the PM becomes a public service. This is no exaggeration, we are not that far removed from the US of A.

    I am full of admiration for you for seeing the need..I think that you might have been working up to this one. We can tackle Tony via his policies and laugh him off as a buffoon, but ultimately this is the nastiness which lurks. This is where it stops being funny.

  9. Just watch the level of political discourse change when Teflon gets on the plane to the US. Same thing happened last time he left. Common sense returns, he is a brown stain on our nation. I hope him all the best in health and his private life though!

  10. I love a sunburt country ,
    a land of Dills and Pricks
    whose cries for political violence
    have made me feel so sick

    We never used to call for death
    we were happy just to vote
    and now we have some bastard
    that calls to stop the boats.

    He stands afront of hateful signs
    And never says They’re wrong
    The day that blood is spilt because
    Is the Day we say so long

    To All the things Australian
    that were valued as being right
    The Fairness and Áve A Go
    Buried deep and out of site.

    We might as well be the 51st state
    of the Mighty USA
    the day we Kill our Pollies
    We’ll be well upon our way.

  11. Independents say they are targets of threat campaign
    Phillip Coorey, Sydney Morning Herald, 03 March 2011
    The rural independents say they are being targeted by an orchestrated campaign of threatening emails and phone calls, driven by radio ”shock jocks” and websites promoted by some members of the Coalition.

    As the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, accused the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, yesterday of allowing his shadow ministers to lower the tone of the climate debate by likening her to the unhinged Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi, Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott reported a continued deluge of threatening emails and phone calls.

    The Liberal senator Cory Bernardi recommends three courses of action on his website to lobby the independents against supporting a price on carbon, one of which is to ring or email them.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/independents-say-they-are-targets-of-threat-campaign-20110302-1bexo.html

    Radio “shock jocks”: There’s not one of them that isn’t a frothing-at-the-mouth Coalition spruiker.

  12. Mandy, I did see your post on that where you had decided to reported this to the AFP. It’s about time that people reacted and strongly. It’s death threats. It’s not only treason but it’s sedition and it’s about time, irrespective of one’s political allegiance that it should be named as such.

  13. Shock jocks running campaign – Windsor
    Herald Sun, 02 March 2011

    Independent MP Tony Windsor says radio shock jocks are running an orchestrated campaign to get key crossbench MPs to switch their allegiance to the Coalition and bring down the Government.

    Mr Windsor believes the broadcasters are using Labor’s proposed carbon price to try to organise a people’s revolt.

    The country member, whose vote will be crucial if the Government is to pass its carbon price legislation, revealed yesterday he’d received a threatening phone message over his role in developing climate policy.

    “You’re a f***ing liar, a dog, a rat … I hope you die, you bastard,” the caller said.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/shock-jocks-running-campaign-windsor/story-e6frf7jx-1226014552123

  14. It is also about time that the shock jocks, print media and coalition are put under the spotlight for their respective responsibilities in the degeneration of the political debate in this country.

    All are responsible for this, all should shoulder the blame.

  15. JooR, and sending this to Tony Windsor..will do so.

    Don’t worry girl, deep breath. I’m sending around a flat white and a bloke in a very short kilt. 😉

  16. Climate anger dangerous, says German physicist
    The Australian, 16 July 2011

    Anger against scientists involved in the climate debate is reaching dangerous levels and it’s only a matter of time before one is murdered, says leading German physicist Hans Schellnhuber.

    […]

    While he was opening a recent climate conference in Melbourne, a man in the front row waved a noose at him. “I was confronted with a death threat when I gave my public lecture,” Professor Schellnhuber said.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/climate-anger-dangerous-says-german-physicist/story-e6frg6nf-1226095587105

  17. Cu, the first that I spotted it was this morning via the Stand Up For Julia Gillard FB group, and there was one other group as well.

  18. I think it originated on Facebook on an anti-Labor page. I saw it there earlier today. Migs might know.

  19. Liberal website runs net nasties
    Phillip Coorey, Sydney Morning Herald, 13 October 2011

    The nastiness pervading federal politics was laid bare yesterday when the Liberal Party’s official website ran comments about Julia Gillard saying ”shoot the f—ing bitch” and ”madam hitler and her lies”. The comments were posted underneath a new commercial the Liberals put on their website featuring Ms Gillard’s promise to not introduce a carbon tax. They remained on the website for 30 minutes until the Greens leader, Bob Brown, pointed them out to the Liberal Senate Leader, Eric Abetz.

    The advertisement was posted soon after the House of Representatives passed the legislation to put a price on carbon.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/liberal-website-runs-net-nasties-20111012-1ll45.html

  20. This is disgraceful, only a matter of time until we see the Mad Monk doing a Palinesque apology. Hopefully we don’t see a Gabrielle Giffords assassination attempt.

  21. Ian, Abbott has significantly contributed to an environment that tolerates the suggestion of violence towards the PM. There’s never going to any way of proving that that the dickheads responsible for this are inspired totally by Tony Abbott. The article wasn’t claiming this. I think it’s a bit silly to even suggest this is possible. Actually, how would you prove Abbott is solely reonsible for this picture?

  22. Abbott needn’t worry about terrorists arriving by boat. There are plenty of them here. Which makes me think, is this a criminal offence under Howard’s anti terrorism laws? I honestly hope it is.

  23. What happened to baseball bats?

    A dreadful image that should be condemned by all, including Abbott.

  24. I remember when Joe Hockey was holding a forum. Libs had stirred people up so much, one member of the audience stood up and asked what Libs would do if they (members of the audience) took their rifle’s down to Canberra. Joe Hockey said ” I understand your anger but we are a peaceful country”.

  25. Iain, a problem with Abbott is that although these types of pages do not originate with him personally..nor does he do anything to discourage it. Ditch The Witch/Bob Brown’s B*tch are mild examples of where we have Tony’s happy little self smuggly sitting there and enjoying the whole scene.

  26. Roswell, incitement such as this does indeed come under Howard’s anti-terrorism laws…

    Section 100.1 of the Criminal Code defines a terrorist act as ‘an action or threat of action’ which is done or made with the intention of:

    * advancing a political, religious or ideological cause; and
    * coercing, or influencing by intimidation, the government of the Commonwealth, State or Territory or the government of a foreign country or intimidating the public or a section of the public.

    The point about s100.1 surrounds the word “intent”, if the intention is to cause harm…

  27. Too many think this type of thing is witty.

    Too many thinks there is no boundaries and anything goes.

    Too many think it is OK to disrespect the office of PM.

    Until Mr. Abbott stands up and condemns this type of behaviour, I am happy to hold him responsible.

    Too many believe that if a woman enters the field, they have ti take what is ditched out.

  28. Can anyone find a comparable example of this rubbish from the progressive side of politics? Have a look Iain.

  29. I really don’t think the conservative think tank (contradiction in terms I know) understand what they have unleashed, and if they do win the next election, unleashed on themselves. Abbotts greed for power has broken something inside our society that cannot be healed easily if at all.

  30. UPDATE: After we posted this, the Liberals went through and deleted both of the above comments. They also silently deleted the following, hoping no-one noticed it had also been published for a month – but unfortunately for them, I saved the web page this morning and can produce a screengrab:

    As I noted above, it’s disturbing how many comments were left after Barry’s whose authors apparently had no problem with what he’d written. To them it apparently was not out of the ordinary to call for the murder of their political opponents.

    Interestingly, as soon as people who’d read this post wandered across – well, suddenly there were calls for moderators. Funny that

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2011/08/01/liberal-org-au-publishes-calls-to-violence/

  31. The gunman responsible for the Norway massacre cited several Australian leaders in his rambling 1,500-page manifesto, including John Howard and George Pell (Abbott’s political and spiritual mentors respectively).
    Min, I am sure that neither Howard nor Pell would have come under Section 100.1 of the Criminal Code which defines a terrorist act, but that does not excuse them from promoting an atmosphere in which a person feels justified to go out and slaughter 69 young Labor supporters.
    Either they renounce this violence or they are the worst kind of irresponsible leaders.

  32. Iain is the only person here who hasn’t expressed outrage over the above poster, let alone the idiots who designed it.

    Iain, I really am disappointed. And I mean that mate.

  33. That 299 above this article, suggests that many do not like the anything goes politics we have today.

  34. Miglo, did you expect anything different.

    To some, all is fair in love and war, and war, it seems today.

    All that counts is winning.

    How one does it, does not matter.

    This I do not understand, because even in the sport of boxing, there are rules that must be obeyed.

    Most do not show respect for cheats.

    Honesty, justice and fairness can be dumped.

  35. All due respect but linking Brievic(correct spelling CBF) to Australian politics is giving a lunatic undue credit. Don’t do it!

  36. There have been a lot of hate comments and links to offensive cartoons on this site.
    That picture should be removed and the source article sent to the Federal police.

  37. I seem to recall there was a earlier outcry when Abbott said something about having the PM in his gun sights in the house.

  38. kitkat, I believe that Norway showed us the way to react.

    The nation as one rose against what happened. They have condemn the sentiments of what was being said by the offender in every form.

    They showed us, it has nothing to do with political beliefs.

    We in this country could do well, to follow the behaviour of the Norwegians,.

  39. There isn’t anyting anywhere near comparable and there wont be in the future unless we keep this sort of page open. Close it, that’s my point.

  40. Truly appalling. No politician, no person, should have this said about them. Abbott and his rightwing reactionary cretins will unleash on us a horror such as happened on that island camp. I do not want to name it, but you know what I mean. It starts with things like this. And Abbott does not condemn it.

  41. Kitkat, I don’t think Lunalava meant anything in a sinister way. To me he sounded upset that this sort of trash now goes on in Australia. I do recall Andrew Bolt blaming the Left for what happened in Norway even though the murderer was a right wing nutter.

  42. So, if some crazy right wingnut sees this and goes nuts and does whatever and the polls look better after, is that a victory; fuck no. get this shit off all pages!!!!! piss it off. End of lesson!

  43. I do not understand the reasoning that the site should be closed and once again we put our heads in the sand.

    We need to realise that in this country, there are many people with ideas and beliefs that we should railed against.

    We are no different from anywhere else. We have good and bad within our ranks. The bad should be condemned strongly.

    It has naught to do with what side of politics one comes from.

    It has all to do with what we want for this country.

    I would start with respect for one another on all levels. Respect for each beliefs.

    Not much to ask.

    It is well past the time for some bipartisan politics where necessary.

    There is more that parties agree on, than what separated them. It is time we got back to this reality.

    It is not, nor should not be about winning at all costs.

    Why is that so wrong?

  44. That’s OK kitkat. I understand your rage.

    Because of the exposure this post has received, a number of people have been able to express their disgust through the appropriate channels.

    If you belong to Facebook you might also want to express your feelings at the group who first published this horrendous poster. Our feelings need to be known to them. This will not be tolerated by the wider community, left or right.

    Imagine if they were allowed to get away with this on this occasion.

  45. We have more than enough to bring Teflon Tony to task without using some dellusional right winger from the otherside of the planet. Cmon, leave it alone is all I am saying. Maybe I’m wrong but I cant see how bringing it up will help.

  46. Yesterday on Twitter.. i saw somebody say that Abbott should be executed..
    well …..

    I chastised the person for what they had tweeted.. and over the course of a couple of hours.. we discussed why they did it… and why it was wrong that they did… they wrote it out of frustration… BUT .. after discussion.. realised it was the wrong and horrible thing to say…. and that they wouldn’t do it again…

    YES THERE IS THIS SHIT coming from some people on BOTH sides.. and I tolerate it from neither.. I don’t care HOW horrid TA is.. I would hate to see an act of violence committed against him.. OR ANYBODY ..

    I think the difference though is.. Julia Gillard HAS NOT STOOD in front of the signs condemning T.A.. as he stood in front of signs condemning her.. AND… THAT IS HOW TONY ABBOTT GETS CONNECTED to this sort of thing.. he has form.

  47. I was shocked to see that 3 people I know personally “like” the vile hate page that this image was posted on …. i just shake my head and hope we don’t end up with a “Norway” here in Australia

  48. OK kitkat. We will resume without referring to Norway.

    We have enough nut cases in our own country to contend with.

    We’re all on the same side here.

  49. Annette is it possible they are only there to keep an eye on the page..

    I know a few people who do that..

  50. Annette, do not fear having a Norway.

    There was one man that acted alone.

    He was immediately condemn by all his countrymen.

    They refused to allow hatred to grow from the disaster.

    That is the lesson we need to learn,. That the country cannot show any tolerance for this type of behaviour.

  51. I really don’t think the conservative think tank (contradiction in terms I know) understand what they have unleashed

    kitkat,
    I’ve felt it in my fingers and in my toes that all this will come to a head during a conservative reign. Yes, this is all disgusting and terrifying, but these things take a little while to foment – I fear that Tony Abbott (not necessarily personally) may well be a victim of what they’ve unleashed. A right-wing nutter could very well find that Tony’s delivery isn’t far enough right for them and will be frustrated enough to do something about it.

    At this stage of the political cycle, the RWDBs are salivating at a conservative annihilation of Labor next year – there’s no urgent need to resort to the extreme yet, but put a conservative government that CAN’T possibly deliver on all that they’ve hinted at over the last few years and you could light the fuse of this sort of nutter.

    Alternatively, for such a nutter, a Labor victory may be just too much to take after the “promises” of conservative utopia from Tony – {choose your deity} save us from this sort of nutter!

    Just my take on this…

  52. There’s a point, JooR.

    You and I both belong to some left wing Facebook groups where we’ve seen someone ‘like’ a post, only to follow it up with some abuse towards the group members.

    Those right wingers are intent on infiltration.

  53. What a sad day for Aus when we mirror the USofA to the point where our political discourse is held to ransom at the point of a gun either figuratively or literally.
    This type of hate should be roundly condemned by all, but Abbott and co have been sadly missing in (non) action, on these matters, and as almost every night on the news we hear about the new national pastime of drive-by shootings, it seems that it is only a matter of time before some loony takes one of the right wing shock jocks as a gospel speaker and acts on their purposeful hate speak.
    Our country has been waylaid by the radical right and the concerted fear campaigns
    have achieved the dubious outcome of making many Australians scared of their own shadows and this kind of reactionist response is the end result.
    Shame shame shame.

  54. @ Catching Up – it only takes one person …. possibly having their extreme right wing views and hate fuelled by the likes of those vile individuals on “shock jock” radio stations across the Nation.

  55. Bacchus, I agree. Gone are the days where if you lse an election well you put the kids in the car and tell em we’ll gettem next week. Things have got to absolutes and only the ‘sith refer to absolutes’ (sorry nerd as). Now Poodles (who will hopefully will soon be under investigation) has confirmed that they will go to a double dissolution, without really giving the detail as to how they will do this nor how long it would take. So yeah, the Libs are really painting themselves into a few corners (yes I know).

  56. Yep Roswell – I don’t know why, but I sense that this will be the fate of conservatives in the future. They’ve unleashed the beast – they will bear the brunt of its fury…

  57. Bacchus, remember the backlash against Rudd because he couldn’t rebuild Rome in one day?
    ^^ this!

  58. one person ( to my knowledge only one) has already been imprisoned for making likely threats against the PM…. there will be others.. and I tend to believe a part of the lack of condemnation is that many people just think IT WON’T HAPPEN..

    sadly.. with the world shrinking through electronic means.. and the Ultra-Right that seems to be rearing it’s ugly head world wide… IT WILL only take ONE nut with a gun to forever change this nation

  59. Yes Joor – it’s only a matter of time here. Australian politics will never be the same thereafter. It’s a morbid thing to say, but ultimately, such an abhorrent event may abate the sort of extreme rhetoric we’re seeing at the moment.

    Then again, perhaps not. The US has had many such shocks, but their political discourse can still be toxic in the extreme 😦

  60. Just caught up with the earlier posts … sorry to bring it up again kitkat. what I can’t understand is WHY are these nut-job overpaid, over-rated “shock jocks” ALLOWED to get away with incitement to violence. And make no mistake, they don’t sprout their vile hate, disrespect and misogynistic viewpoints to encourage more respect for our PM.

  61. understand your sentiments exactly.. Bacchus

    and I would rather we ALWAYS have concerns… than to ever have them abated because people are shocked into standing up against such behaviour because of an incident.. ( if that late night rambling makes sense)

  62. Yep Migs, but that’s just one of a huge number of “policies” that Mr Abbott cannot implement – Bolt, Akerman and their minions will be most disappointed. Amongst them is sure to be extremist nutters. The rage that’s been stirred, may just spill over at that time…

  63. Once a political debate becomes an episode of the Voice then democracy has been lost, I think it has died and revived a few times in the US but this may be the first time we have had to get the paddles out here in Australia…CLEAR!!!

  64. Norway is significant for progressive political movements around the world. Brevik set out to destroy the emerging left wing leaders of Norway. In this he succeeded. He did it out of a political agenda. We can get all very understanding about it and refrain from making connections with our own brand of reactionary rightwing nuttery because that would be just so indelicate. But look at what really happened. He sought to destroy the future of the Left-wing party in Norway by killing their kids, and he did it. It is the extreme end of the spectrum. Abbott is not on that end, but he is certainly on the same sliding scale, in my opinion.

  65. Such terrible images and content need to be dealt with in a manner that sends a very clear message that it is totally unacceptable. I fear we are being force fed so much rubbish from media and other sources that we are becoming desensitized to threats of violence in an arena that was once respected.

  66. Killing people is as far from politics as is possible. I know that seems far fetched but thats why it was born.

  67. Its a power play that started when the Libs lost power due to taking a step to far due to the forced IR policy. I just hope Australia isn’t dumb enough to have all state and a fed Liberal Govt. wow

  68. I just hope Australia isn’t dumb enough to have all state and a fed Liberal Govt. wow

    Sadly, kitkat, Australia might be that dumb. 😥

  69. Yes, but such a state cannot exist for long – expose the coalition to the rigours of government, and, as is being seen in WA, VIC, NSW & QLD, they don’t look so good after a very short period of time.

    There are those who are talking of a decade or more of coalition rule in the federal arena, but IMO, state conservative governments will help to limit the length of the next reign of the conservatives federally, whenever that may come. (I’m not convinced that reign will start in 2013 at this point in time 😉 )

  70. Well that’s democracy, pehaps assisted democracy but hey. We will learn like we did last time. Me I cant wait till Abbott gets in (if he does), there arn’t enough puppies up a tree for him to hide from the media frenzy he has created. Many lols will occur especially considering the mighty fucking hole he’s dug himself, the deluded power hungry prick!

  71. No I don’t think much of Abbott, nor do I think much of Gillard. But at least I can see what Gillard is trying to do for ‘us’. I really can’t see what the fuck Abbott wants to do apart from impress his mum by becoming PM. And the rest of the Lib front bench are spinless twerps following around the bully for the hope of crumbs. Its not about ‘us’ to them only them.

  72. Watch it, disagree with and then realise how fucking smart this guy was. God bless KEATING. Hence why Costello never got nor deserved any accoladse for sitting on his hands and selling the silverware below cost the fool. Costello wasn’t nor is he a treasureres arsehole, he’s just upset so many people know this.

  73. Because someone keeps tweeting me with the claim that I created the poster and that he reckons he’s going to get the AFP onto me, it’s best I remove it.

  74. Well I think I’ve seen the worst of social media over the last 24 hours.

    First that poster on Facebook, and then some right wing bully attacking me on Twitter over it.

  75. As Idi Amin said “be the change you want to see in the world” Well someone said it. Give the guy my address I’ll argue for months mate!!

  76. Migs, the person who tweeted that claim clearly had not read your accompanying text, or far more likely the action of this person was in fact all about intimidation.

    You are spot on with, Because of the exposure this post has received, a number of people have been able to express their disgust through the appropriate channels.

  77. Migs
    To answer your suggestion earlier about my lack of disgust at the now removed image I actaully did not feel any need to enunciate that which is obvious, especially when the source of the image was of far more importance, because you had not and still have not made a satisfactory argument for Tony Abbott having any responsibility for this sort of nonsense.
    By your logic are we to hold Julia Gillard responsible for acts of sabotage against the coal industry because she is such a strong fan of “climate change action” as evidenced by her Carbon Tax?

  78. I actaully did not feel any need to enunciate that which is obvious

    You equated it with a (granted, very tasteless) image about someones looks for christ sake.

    Personally, I think your ‘enunciatin’ needs a LOT of work. So far, I get the impression that you just think its a bit ‘nasty’

    And if you cannot see how an alleged leader, who himself uses violent imagery, and refuses to condemn others who use violent imagery themselves to attack anybody politically is not empowering these fringe idiots, you really need to open your awareness. Watch what unfolded in America, This is a case study already available, and these idiots (the loto included) are chasing off down the same path.

  79. Tom, as much as I dislike JW Howard he would have taken immediate steps to distance himself from any association whatsoever with such lunatic and dangerous propaganda. Tony Abbott does not have Howard’s style nor his class..which provides a fair indication as to my opinion of Tony Abbott.

  80. Tom
    You can not realistically hold anyone, from any political party responsible for the actions of idiots unless they actaully encourage and endorse said idiots and just in case you have not ever done any geography you should appreciate that Australia is certainly NOT The USA.
    So show me clear and unequivocal citations of just where Tony Abbott has ever encouraged idiots to take up arms against the Labor government let alone assassinate the PM.

  81. Min
    to be fair To Tony Abbott do you have any evidence that he was even aware of the offending image’s ephemeral existence? Because its not like it was published in the MSM it was only here and on face-book as far as I know which is rather limited in its reach.

  82. BTW Tom what violent imagery are you talking about?

    Try ‘targets on their foreheads’ for starters

  83. or “‘Their baseball bats aren’t there for Anna Bligh, they’re there for this Prime Minister”, Abbott cried.’

  84. And let’s not forget him proudly standing in front of a sign that declared the PM was Bob Browns ‘bitch’

    Without batting an eyelid.

  85. Iain, if Tony Abbott is unaware of what is being put forward by people who claim to be his supporters, I would be exceptionally surprised..surely he can’t be that oblivious to what is happening around him.

  86. “She won’t lie down and die”

    Battlelines

    Oath written in blood

    “All of us when we’re in the heat of verbal combat, so to speak, will sometimes say things that will go a little bit further.”

  87. Iain, point taken about “everyone”, Ms Klemm my English Comprehension teacher would have rapped me on the knuckles for that one.

    But on the other hand you asked a question which clearly is impossible to answer which is, Do I/we think that Abbott is aware of that image. If it was a point of law, one would have to go directly to Tony Abbott himself as the primary source or to his spokesperson.

    Several opposition parliamentarians have been contacted. To my knowledge none have yet responded.

  88. Right back at you Tom!
    lets be real which is worse, a stupid and crass image or contrived outrage over said image and an attempt to smear Tony Abbott with blame for an image that in all likelihood he has never even seen?

  89. Abbott endorsed the signs stating Bob Brown’s B*tch by choosing to stand in front of them.

    The fact remains that if it had been Howard, Howard would have immediately distanced himself..Abbott’s silence on these issues is highly relevant.

  90. lets be real which is worse, a stupid and crass image or contrived outrage

    or choosing to ignore all of the violent imagery that tabot has not only endorsed, but has himself used. There is nothing ‘contrived’ about that. In the immortal words, ‘shit happens’

  91. Iain @10.27am, I agree that the image is stupid and crass, but it is also very dangerous and represents an incitement to slay a PM or anyone else some loon may disagree with.

    These sorts of images and words are not to be taken lightly. Words are very potent tools for good or evil and when accompanied by violent and suggestive images of the sort Migs has exposed, could lead certain people to act on them. they should be taken very seriously.

    It’s high time everyone in politics, and particularly Abbott and his cronies, sent a very clear message in the strongest possible terms that they oppose any propaganda, either visual or verbal, which constitutes an incitement to violence against others and that they repudiate anyone responsible for originating and/or disseminating it.

    I think the shock jocks and oafs like Dolt should come in for special attention and all politicians should refuse to have any truck with them, but I’m sure it won’t stop Liealot having his ego stroked by the king of smarm and vitriol, Anal Jones

  92. Min@ 10:40 am

    Abbott endorsed the signs stating Bob Brown’s B*tch by choosing to stand in front of them.

    The fact remains that if it had been Howard, Howard would have immediately distanced himself..Abbott’s silence on these issues is highly relevant.

    Oh come on Min I expect better from you than that! The sign in question may have been crass or even mildly sexist but it was not in ANY way endorsing or suggesting the assassination of the PM the straw that you are clutching at has just shattered into dust!

    Tom R @ 10:44 am

    or choosing to ignore all of the violent imagery that tabot has not only endorsed, but has himself used. There is nothing ‘contrived’ about that. In the immortal words, ‘shit happens’

    Show me where he has specifically endorsed “violent imagery” you are streching your argument beyond all credibility and it shows

    Jane @ 11:56 am

    Iain @10.27am, I agree that the image is stupid and crass, but it is also very dangerous and represents an incitement to slay a PM or anyone else some loon may disagree with.

    Do you really believe that Jane? Come on put your hand on your heart and then tell us that you think that its really in the realms of possibility that would happen.

    These sorts of images and words are not to be taken lightly. Words are very potent tools for good or evil and when accompanied by violent and suggestive images of the sort Migs has exposed, could lead certain people to act on them. they should be taken very seriously.

    That is a very stupid argument, but putting that aside would you get as upset about images such as This of course as a dead set lefty I expect you to make excuses for that image. That said I don’t think that Migs has exposed anything of substance here other than a very crass bit of internet nonsense.

    It’s high time everyone in politics, and particularly Abbott and his cronies, sent a very clear message in the strongest possible terms that they oppose any propaganda, either visual or verbal, which constitutes an incitement to violence against others and that they repudiate anyone responsible for originating and/or disseminating it.

    Well name any Australian MP State member, senator or even local councillor who endorses incitements to violence, take your time and do your research, but in the end I don’t expect that there would be a single one. So its ludicrous for you are anyone else to demand that any particular person mouth anti violence platitudes.

    I think the shock jocks and oafs like Dolt should come in for special attention and all politicians should refuse to have any truck with them, but I’m sure it won’t stop Liealot having his ego stroked by the king of smarm and vitriol, Anal Jones

    Well that would be up to them but lefties like you just don’t get the fact that even our worst radio nut (Alan Jones) is by no stretch of the mouth breathing ranter that is rather common in the USA. As for Andrew Bolt he comes across as quite a charming and reasonable man.

  93. Well lets be real here Min if someone one were to show the Image to Tony do you really think that he would endorse it?

    Iain, he endorses such things by saying nothing as he has with other nutjob propaganda. Standing proudly beneath the “Bob Brown’s Bitch” placard clearly says “Well done. Keep up the good work.”

    Had he enunciated in the strongest possible terms his abhorrence of such images and words, it would have ceased being produced.

    Had he refused to address the crowd until the offending placards were removed, his disapproval would have been loud and clear. He chose to endorse them by saying and doing nothing about them.

    His bullying and hectoring behaviour and violent verbal attacks on the PM in QT, his sneering reference to the PM as “she” at pressers and other venues are all calculated to engender disrespect for the PM and encourage nutjobs to do their worst.

    But because he hasn’t directly told them to continue, he can deny any responsibility for what they may do.

    Iain, I don’t believe for one minute that you are foolish or naive enough to be unaware that this is so and for this reason you should also speak out against it. There must also be nutters publishing similar threatening stuff about Abbott.

    We should all be joining together to let not just the producers of such repellent stuff know that it’s completely unacceptable, we also have to let politicians know that we hold them accountable for the actions of their followers if they don’t speak out against it.

    I intend to email Parliamentarians expressing my disgust at this assault on our democracy and urging them to denounce it and those producing and disseminating it, or we really will be no better than a banana republic.

  94. Looks as though Iain gets his jollys by getting people to repeat over and over again, Abbott ‘s nastiness towards the PM. Why else would he ask for the “proof”, he knows , he enjoys, he probably has bookmarked for personal perusal.

  95. Do you really believe that Jane? Come on put your hand on your heart and then tell us that you think that its really in the realms of possibility that would happen.

    Arthur Calwell, Abraham Lincoln, John F Kennedy. Need I say more, Iain?

    Anal is the epitome of a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing ranter, who has called for the PM and Bob Brown to be drowned amongst other threats.

    Anyone in public life who remains silent in the face of such imagery and words has tacitly endorsed it. You know, the sin of omission.

    Of course you approve of Dolt because he and the truth, honesty and integrity are strangers, much like you, I suspect.

    I wonder what your reaction would be if Lielot were the target of the same imagery to the general amusement of this and many other sites? A shrug of the shoulders, a wry “shit happens” perhaps, couldn’t possibly incite some loony to have a go?

  96. Ah, yes. That word specific. One of Liealot’s favourites lately. He has no specific knowledge about Brough, Prissy and Ashby.’s clandestine meetings. In fact it seems he has no specific knowledge about anything much at all.

    He has no specific knowledge about how he’ll find the dough to fill his $70bn and rising black hole. He has no specific knowledge about which catering company he’ll hire to frame his budgets.

    No specific knowledge about how he’ll force the Navy to disobey Maritime Law. Oh wait, he’ll have a specific batphone that the Mayor of Gotham City specifically gave him.

    Speaking specifically he doesn’t seem too specific about anything specific., does he?

    Specific a specific word that just keeps on giving.

  97. This was after Liberal MP, Sophie Mirabella, in typical right wing fashion, hyperbolically likened the Prime Minister to the Libyan dictator, Muammar Gaddafi.

    Sydney Morning Herald, 02 March 2011

    …Asked several times on Fairfax Radio whether he would tell his party members to tone down their language, Mr Abbott said: “People understand that in a robust democracy there’ll be a lot of colourful language.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/comparing-gillard-to-gaddafi-colourful-says-abbott-20110302-1bduf.html

  98. jane @ 12:47 pm

    Iain, he endorses such things by saying nothing as he has with other nutjob propaganda. Standing proudly beneath the “Bob Brown’s Bitch” placard clearly says “Well done. Keep up the good work.”

    Look you can complain all yopu like about that sign but the inescapable fact remains and that is as objectionable as you and other feministas might find that sign you can’t possibly think that it was any sort of incitement to violence

    Had he enunciated in the strongest possible terms his abhorrence of such images and words, it would have ceased being produced.

    Even on Planet Latte you can’t believe things like that Jane,

    Had he refused to address the crowd until the offending placards were removed, his disapproval would have been loud and clear. He chose to endorse them by saying and doing nothing about them.

    So what of free speech then Jane> are you only going to allow signs that are approved by the PC police? Do you think we are in Syria or something?

    His bullying and hectoring behaviour and violent verbal attacks on the PM in QT, his sneering reference to the PM as “she” at pressers and other venues are all calculated to engender disrespect for the PM and encourage nutjobs to do their worst.

    Julia gives as good as she gets in the house and in public forums, As for ‘disrespect for the PM what do you have to say about teh Way that John Howard was treated b y your fellow Lefties?

    But because he hasn’t directly told them to continue, he can deny any responsibility for what they may do.

    That is a totally stupid argument, would you make the same one against the ALP and teh Greens about the G20 riots in Melbourne?

    Iain, I don’t believe for one minute that you are foolish or naive enough to be unaware that this is so and for this reason you should also speak out against it. There must also be nutters publishing similar threatening stuff about Abbott.

    There probably are so it begs the question of just how much condemning do all of us have to do, Frankly if there are nutters at both ends of the spectrum then neither has any particular need to mouth the platitudes IMHO.

    We should all be joining together to let not just the producers of such repellent stuff know that it’s completely unacceptable, we also have to let politicians know that we hold them accountable for the actions of their followers if they don’t speak out against it.

    You go right ahead but personally I’m not a big fan of pissing into the wind

    I intend to email Parliamentarians expressing my disgust at this assault on our democracy and urging them to denounce it and those producing and disseminating it, or we really will be no better than a banana republic.

    The trouble is Jane the cure (especially on this occasion)is likely to be far worse than the disease when it comes to the health of our democracy.

    Tom
    appealing to your own authority is never a good look.
    I think that I know what you refer to in your first and only under the influence of drugs would anyone construe that as a direct incitement to violence
    But Just fro fun I googled your second citation and its nothing other than a sporting metaphor, Your second is back to BBB and that does not even imply any violence
    Three strikes there Tom which must mean that you are out!

  99. Yes jane the old specific that only applies to one side of the political fence, and I don’t have to say which side. It was favourite ploy of Howard’s as well.

    Demand specifics from the opponents and then criticise the leader as being terrible for not knowing the specifics, yet as is the case with Abbott now, use not knowing the specifics as an excuse for the leadership shortcomings.

    The old Liberal Party and right wing double standard.

  100. And where was the moralising left when Howard was called Bush’s poodle, Stalin, Hitler and a kid killer on placards? Most probably cheering the haters on.

    What about smashing up Parliament House and assaulting house attendants egged on by Combet and crew? Most probably high fiving in their lounge rooms.

    It’s not hard to pick the hypocrites, they resort to childish name calling and the loudest at the whinge but are silent when their mob does same or should I say “WORSE”!

  101. would anyone construe that as a direct incitement to violence

    I didn’t say ‘direct incitement to violence’ ia n, I said violent imagery. I’m not ‘appealing to my authority’, I am repeating cases of tabot using violent imagery, because you are too blind (stupid?) to see them. Get off your high horse.

    Get used to it, he uses it, repeatedly. He does not admonish others who use it, and he stands in front of signs that belittle and denigrate public officials.

    He feeds the lowest forms, and appears to enjoy it. He has called for an ‘illegitimate Government” to be turfed out, ignoring the absolute lie that this is, and fed off the hysteria that created. He is breeding the angst that in turns breeds these looneys.

    He has not once condemned his good mate alan jones for his chaff bag comment. Even though they both have had numerous paly chats since it was made. In the place of leadership, ignoring such comments lends them weight. That is what he has done. He has not only allowed the toxic debate to arise, he personally enabled it.

  102. And where was the moralising left when Howard was called Bush’s poodle,

    If throwing a shoe can somehow demonstrate a failure of the left, what the hell do all of these images mentioned here demonstrate about ‘teh’ right?

  103. Jane, well said. Just cos I’m standing in front of a signs saying Ditch the witch doesn’t mean to say that I endorse them.

    Cuppa, ah yes the good old descriptor: robust. If I had a dollar for every time that the term “robust” has been used as an excuse to slander and denigrate others, I would be moving into the condo this coming weekend..

  104. “Most probably high fiving in their lounge rooms.”

    Here is an example at work. Make an assertion with no evidence, smashing of parliament house egged on by Combet and crew (who was this crew?), then flies off into a fantasy of supposition of high fives in lounge rooms purely as a denigration to set up an ignis fatuus, the very thing the shock jocks and those holding signs inciting violence to the PM and government are doing, but projects that as a hypocrisy.

  105. I don’t think there’s any argument as to which side is the nastiest in politics.

    Eyes right.

  106. Funny how you lot somehow blame Abbott for signs that other people had yet when an ACTU protest turns into a riot by union grubs somehow the speakers are innocent.

    I see that Beazley, Combet, Brown, George and Kirner were on the truck stirring up the crowd and because they were there, they should shoulder the responsibility. It fits in to the group think on Abbott so to deny their responsibility is the height of hypocrisy.

    Come on…tell me somehow it’s different.

  107. What about smashing up Parliament House and assaulting house attendants egged on by Combet and crew? Most probably high fiving in their lounge rooms.

    That would almost have to be the best example of pure, unadulterated bullshit you’ve ever uttered in the blogosphere scaper.

    “The ACTU Council condemns, in the strongest possible terms, the violent actions of a small minority of protesters at the rally. These acts of violence and destruction of property are totally abhorrent to the union movement and any person found to be involved should receive no support or comfort from our movement.”

    The ACTU also said ‘Should individual union officials or union members be found guilty of serious offences, … disciplinary actions by the unions is warranted.’


    The leadership of the Labor party were unequivocal in their condemnation of the ‘rioters’. Senior figures of the Parliamentary Party, from the left and right condemned the riot. On the left Senator Faulkner, Opposition leader in the Senate, was clear that ‘as far as the opposition is concerned, we make absolutely clear that we condemn acts of violence, destruction of property and attacks on police.’ On the Right, Kim Beazely referred to ‘lunatics’ and ‘louts who went off and attacked parliament’ Deputy Opposition leader Gareth Evans described the protesters as ‘crazy, self-indulgent bastards’ adding that ‘what happened yesterday was ugly, un-Australian, stupid and indefensible.’

    The day after the riot Beazely summed up the standard labourist assessment of the political effects of the demonstration:

    “I think that the tragedy caused by the lunatics who attacked the parliament, apart from absolutely unacceptable consequences in terms of personal damage and damage to property, is that they draw attention away from what was, around the country, a peaceful and lawful demonstration by decent citizens asserting their rights to democratically express their concerns about the direction of government and broken undertakings in the budget and industrial relations.

    http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/interventions/riot.htm

  108. Read what actually happened scaper. Those on the truck were not even aware of what the breakaway group was doing at parliament house!

  109. Can someone tell me why we are wasting time, arguing with Iain, who is defending the indefensible. There are better things to spend our energies. What about what Pyne has to say, in his speech defending the right of private schools at the expense of the public system.

    Let Iain rave on with his agenda. It does not and should not be ours. He will be saying the same thing a week from now. He is the expert of diversion tactics.

    Let gets back to what this site is about.

    Time to ignore the trolls.

    Miglo, congratulations. You have arrived. You would not been attacked , if you were not making a mark.

    Let the right wing red necks stew in there own bile. We have better things to do.

    By the number now commenting, I believe there are many others that agree.

    PM now on ABC 24. Comments on Pyne spot on. That is what interests us ,most. As the PM said the future of Australians children. I, a great grandmother agrees completely. PM once again getting stupid questions. Putting the media in their place.

  110. So who rioted then, union members that were organised to attend or was it some evil right wingers? They knew exactly what was going down and incited the riot by organising the protest in the first instance. Beazley with his waffle about the government hates groups started it.

    Now, if it was Abbott and the right that rioted then you would all be screaming for Abbott’s head. Hypocrites!

  111. Opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne said Ms Gillard looked “weak”.

    Knowing the Right’s habitual tactic of projecting their own failings/motivations onto their opponents, it’s highly likely Pyne here is indulging in Right Wing Projection again.

  112. If Abbott does not know what is going on, he needs to sack his staff. They are badly letting him down

    If he does not, it is because he has let it known, he does not want to know.

    It is time we moved on, the comments are starting to look like a carousel, going around and getting nowhere.

    What we are seeing is not appropriate, no matter what side is responsible. Whether it is coming from the left or right, it should not be acceptable.

    The argument has sunk to the level of who has sunk to the lowest level of hate and stupidity.

  113. You obviously haven’t read the linked piece scaper. Fine, continue to wallow in your ignorance 🙄 but don’t expect to be taken seriously…

  114. scaper, I seem to remember many condemning the action at the time. It is immaterial, the behaviour is wrong, no matter where it comes from.

    We have all had our say, time to move on.

  115. Talking about drawing a long bow scaper. You were proved false in a statement you made, and that’s without addressing the utterly ludicrous high fiving in lounge rooms bit, so now you get all petulant and yell hypocrite.

    There is hypocrisy and projection and we all know its name.

  116. scaper, I know I said it is time to move on, but I am curious.

    Do you support the outrageous behaviour of some on the right at this time?

    Do see it OK in the rough and tumble of politics?

    Do you believe it is witty and clever?

  117. Patricia what do you think of Pyne’s efforts yesterday. All that is wrong with the education system, is poor teachers and lack parents supports.

    Do you believe that the system has not improved over recent times, or is the problem is that others in our region have improved more than us.
    There must be some educators out there, with something to say.

    While I am at it. what about the Queensland’s LNP vote to stop climate change science being taught in their schools.

  118. Um, Iain, Howard had us invade Iraq on the pretence that it had WMDs, although he knew that was not true. How many people have died as a result of that illegal invasion?

    He also claimed that asylum seekers had thrown their children into the sea to drown although he knew that to be completely untrue.

    His government had a mentally ill Australian citizen deported; it connived in the wrongful imprisonment of Mamdouh Habib, David Hicks and Mohammed Haneef.

    Then there was the AWB scandal, and like his political love child, he claimed he had no specific knowledge of it.

    That’s just the short list, but I reckon anyone responsible for that little lot deserves everything they get.

    And let’s not forget Liealot’s treatment of Bernie Banton and his role in the gaoling of Pauline Hanson, as well as the fact that he was well aware of and would have been involved in the skullduggery listed above.

    G20 riots. I don’t recall any government member out there egging on the rioters, nor did Beazley etc egg on the rioters who damaged Parliament House 16 years ago. In fact, they roundly condemned the rioters and their actions as did the ACTU.

    Still waiting for Mr Specific Knowledge to do likewise wrt the abuse of the PM. Oh hang on! He’s one of the chief abusers and he’s right out there amongst their vile placards egging them on!

    And if it’s not him it’s one of his fellow travellers, like the MP for Kerosene Baths and the Shadowy Minister for Breaching Electoral Funding Laws and Questionable Treatment of Senile Senior Cits.

  119. CU, no…I don’t support the behaviour of the far right just as I don’t support the same by the left. I don’t make excuses for either side.

    Politics has always been a tough place, if you look back at our history there is nothing new these days apart from bad leadership and no direction…meandering on the road to nowhere.

    If you mean the placards at the no CO2 Tax rally…seen worse at my first protest in 1977 against uranium mining bagging Fraser but no violence. The protesters back those days were witty.

    I remember a time when we were camped outside the Lucas Heights Nuclear facility. We used to visit the canteen but John Holmes (Friends of the Earth) was kicked out for not wearing shoes. Some chicken wire, old Volleys, plaster of Paris, paints and the next day John walks in with three foot long multi coloured shoes on. Even the security guards were in stitches.

    This placards are offensive is just so overblown. The enduring problem is the organisers and speakers can not forbid radicals joining in the protest. Also, the right are amateurs at protesting but they are learning fast. Was not at that rally as was addressing a rally in Brisbane at the time.

    An example of their learning was at the Convoy Rally. Before Abbott spoke one of his office boys told everyone behind the stage to vacate or Abbott would not speak. Everyone cleared out except for me as I was going to stand my ground. Bad enough that unknown to us Jones and bus loads of his worshippers turned up, our rally was hijacked!

    Anyway, this office boy laid a hand on me and I was only seconds from scaping him when an MP I know said it was OK that I stand behind the stage. I don’t do placards, just fly the flag.

    In the past I’ve protested with both the left and the right, at time with both in the same crowd which are the best rallies I’ve attended. Two late examples would be the No Traveston Dam and Lock the Gate movements.

    I’m proud of my work behind the scenes to stop the Dam and will be ecstatic if I can prevent CSG extraction in Qld.

  120. CU, I hope people are paying close attention to what Prissy is saying wrt education and what the Newman government is proposing in Qld.

    Far from being committed to public education, he’s flagging a reduction in funding and teacher numbers in public education with his sly, gutless attack on teachers and low income parents’ commitment to their children’s education.

    I think we can see where this is heading; poorly educated SerfChoices slaves for his mates Gina, Clive and Twiggy.

    With luck, they’ll keep it up and shoot themselves in both feet. I guess that’ll be another policy area that the msm will be instructed to studiously avoid. 😦

  121. jane @ 4:44 pm

    Um, Iain, Howard had us invade Iraq on the pretence that it had WMDs, although he knew that was not true. How many people have died as a result of that illegal invasion?

    Yawn! Look even if you were right about teh Invasion of Iraq (which you aren’t) are you suggesting that the circumstances therefore excuse abuse directed at John Howard becauseif you are doesn’t that make you a hypocrite?

    He also claimed that asylum seekers had thrown their children into the sea to drown although he knew that to be completely untrue.

    That was Peter Reith actually but how would that justifiy abbusing the PM of the time by your pals from the left?

    His government had a mentally ill Australian citizen deported; it connived in the wrongful imprisonment of Mamdouh Habib, David Hicks and Mohammed Haneef.

    The first was a mistake taht was not helped by the woman insiting that she was a non citizen. Nice to see that you are so Keren on supporting the two men who got caught playing at Jihad but in real terms the Australian government had no power to get them released any sooner. That said are you suggetsing that it justified the abuse metted ot to John Howard?

    Then there was the AWB scandal, and like his political love child, he claimed he had no specific knowledge of it.

    The Australian wheat board was an independent Quango and not subject to direct control of the government. Further are you suggesting that this justified the abuse?

    That’s just the short list, but I reckon anyone responsible for that little lot deserves everything they get.

    Oh you ARE suggesting it justifies the abuse?

    And let’s not forget Liealot’s treatment of Bernie Banton and his role in the gaoling of Pauline Hanson, as well as the fact that he was well aware of and would have been involved in the skullduggery listed above.

    Really Jane ?

    G20 riots. I don’t recall any government member out there egging on the rioters, nor did Beazley etc egg on the rioters who damaged Parliament House 16 years ago. In fact, they roundly condemned the rioters and their actions as did the ACTU.

    Wake me up when you are not dripping with hypocrisy on this one Jane because I could go through a long list of bad decisions and stupid moves from Gillard, things like the changing of border protection rules costing nearly a thousand (that we know of) asylum seekers to be lost at sea.
    Then there are all of the business that are going to go broke under the carbon tax.
    Attacks on freedom of speech and the media
    Not to mention her crimes against spoken english with that nasal drone of a voice.
    Face it Jane there are just as many reasons for people to want her gone and to want to express that desire dark sarcasm as there was for Lefties in the case of Howard. So you have to decide if you meant what you said earlier when you were making a rather reasonable appeal for better behaviour form all sides or do you only want to smother any commentary form the right and allow the left open slather?

  122. Iain and Wake me up when you are not dripping with hypocrisy

    And likewise wake me up with you are not dripping with condescension.

  123. Min, I cannot even be bothered with reading such insignificant ranting anymore.

    There is nothing there, in the glance I gave the comment that warrants a reply.

    We have bigger fish to fry.

  124. WOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH,,, SO we’re comparing a little abuse to a poster advocating … possibly inciting VIOLENCE ???????????

    yep.. can see why NO LNP people complained about the picture on the site.. THEY SEE NO DIFFERENCE

  125. Off to an extraordinary body corporate meeting.

    It appears we have similar trouble makers as we do on the sites.

    Another unnecessary mess to be sorted out.

    As we all got a grovelling apology in out mail boxes today, it may be interesting.

    There is always someone around that believes they have the right to tell others what and how they should think.

  126. JooR, the claim against me was that I’m a lefty trying to cause trouble. That’s right – they said I produced the poster to incite violence against Tony Abbott.

    My claim that it originated on a Julia Gillard ‘hate’ group on Facebook was refuted by them.

    In their narrow minds they are convinced I did it.

  127. JooR and yep.. can see why NO LNP people complained about the picture on the site.. THEY SEE NO DIFFERENCE

    Now you have it..it’s a visual perception disorder where LNP people can see no difference between a pic of Australia’s Prime Minister and a bullet and a pic of a toddler wearing a tutu..

  128. Migs, I found the link to the original anti-Gillard hate group…it’s back there.

    I would highly suspect that they knew all along that you were not the originator of that pic..after all it had done the rounds on FB. It would have to be one warped and twisted individual who tried to turn it back onto you saying that you had deliberately conjured up the photo with the specific aim being to badmouth Tony Abbott. It speaks of paranoia.

  129. Migs, I am beginning to get the picture..I think..so in retaliation they snapped back at you, jumping to the wrong conclusion.

  130. No, they were threatening to report me to the AFP. They obviously didn’t know that the AFP were already onto it and had been for 24 hours.

    That’s when I realised they were talking shit, just trying to scare.

  131. Then there are all of the business that are going to go broke under the carbon tax.

    Now might be an interesting to remind ourselves that the only person to date to have lost their job directly due to the Carbon Price is someone who listened to tabot, and took it to heart.

  132. Well, you can forget about jobs..Bob Brown is going to make certain that there are none of these in the future..

    Former Greens leader Bob Brown is joining the Sea Shepherd environmental action group in a campaign against the $35 billion Browse gas hub project near Broome in Western Australia.

    The activist ship will leave Melbourne this week for the Kimberley coast to draw attention to potential impacts on humpback whales by the giant project….

    Dr Brown and Aboriginal activists will meet the ship in Broome, Western Australia, before steaming to the site of the development early next month….

    A group of Aboriginal leaders of the Golarabooloo people told Sea Shepherd in a letter: “We have seen the work you have done to protect the whales in the Southern Ocean.

    “We would appreciate any support you can give us to protect the humpback in our Sea Country from the proposal to build an industrial port at James Price Point for LNG export.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/bob-brown-to-board-sea-shepherd-for-gas-hub-campaign-20120717-22761.html#ixzz20s1JaZw3

  133. Three major mining and energy expansions announced since the introduction of the carbon tax, so it’s roll out Pyne to change the subject to something he knows nothing about, his portfolio, not that he knows nothing about anything else either, just like the rest of the opposition.

  134. This evening I’ve seen on the TV;
    Standard issue “leadership speculation” story on Channel 9 read by that vacuous girl whose name I can never remember, complete with that infuriating montage of someone (Gillard) giving the same answer over & over again, no doubt in answer to the same question being asked over & over again but that’s OK, we’re the media & it’s easier to do these standards than come up with anything new.

    As fine an example of the pot calling…etc. as you’ll find with that hideous A Current Affair getting into a shitkicking fight with 10 over their equally hideous (from the brief pieces I saw) “The Shire”

    Sticking to it, on 7.30 we saw some “pig dogging” enthusiasts whose idea of a good time is to truck some attack dogs out to find feral pigs & rip them apart, filming the event for the edification of others on youtube or something.

    Maybe we deserve Abbott.
    Maybe he deserves us.

  135. Body corp meeting as silly as expected. Have not been to one for over twelve months.

    Still arguing about the same things. When to open the gate. Whether the security service is worth the money. Whether we should have cameras.

    The gate should be left open. The security service jettison. The cameras installed. My argument last time. Seems that is what will occur.

    Yes, things go round and round. Nothing happens.

  136. I wonder if Bob Brown and the Sea Shepherd will get to rescue any asylum seekers.
    wouldn’t it be the newsmans easiest segue,
    Here’s Bob Brown saving whales and while there saved some refugees. Bob recorded the cries of the whales that sounded distinctly like the cries of Sarah Hanson-Young in the Senate.

  137. ABC said Gillard was frustrated. Why. Because she answered a stupid question on leadership by saying it had all been dealt with in February.

    She answered it calmy without raising her voice and then politely moved on. Yet somehow Melissa Clarke, who never misses a moment to bag Gillard, said the PM was frustrated.

  138. Melissa Clarke was the frustrated one. Frustrated that politicians won’t answer stupid questions.

    Why doesn’t someone ask a question about his leadership? Watch him run when they do.

  139. No Abbott today or did I miss him. Has he left on his travels yet. Be nice to have the lively Mr. Truss in charge.

  140. MO, not only answered but got her point of view across. It was the reporters that looked silly.

  141. CU
    looks as though Abbott does not trust either Truss or Bishop or Hockey or….., so Pyne has got the gig, while Abbott has his holiday.
    The Slipper case returns to the courts next week, will Pyne suddenly need to be elsewhere?

  142. Another good reason for change of plans getting Abbott out of the country.

    He was going nowhere when Parliament closed down for the winter break. He promise us six weeks of traversing the country, showing us the disasters cause by the so called tax on carbon.

    How quickly plans change.

  143. Well our illustrious, know all Opposition Leader has served us well overseas.

    At his first effort he has told the yanks what they should do and think.

    At the same time he has broken the time honoured protocol that one does not run down your country or government while aboard.

    Yes, we will be very proud when this man achieved his birthright, becoming our PM. What a wonderful we have to look forwarded to.

  144. So Tony choofed off overseas to speak at the Heritage Foundation. And one of the foundation members is none other than American shock jock Rush Limbaugh.

  145. PS. He has condemned Australia and the government for cuts to defence spending.

    Something I believe many other countries are also doing. So I assume he will also be telling them they are wrong.

  146. The way a good Opposition should behave abroad. Undermining your PM is the name of the game. Who cares about long established protocol.

    Abbott full of praise for Rudd
    From: AAP July 18, 2012 9:21AM
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    OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott has praised Kevin Rudd for his work in the United States this week, amid fresh Labor leadership speculation back home.

    Mr Abbott and Mr Rudd are in the US to attend several sessions of the American-Australian Leadership Dialogue.

    Back in Australia, Labor MPs have denied reports Julia Gillard’s leadership is under threat following comments by chief government whip Joel Fitzgibbon that populism mattered in politics.

    Asked whether he saw Mr Rudd’s hand in renewed leadership speculation, Mr Abbott instead was full of praise for the former Labor leader.

    “Kevin Rudd has been doing what you’d think a former prime minister and a former foreign minister ought to do at a conference like this,” he told Sky News from the US on Wednesday.

    “I have to say the contributions that I’ve heard from Kevin Rudd have been highly sophisticated and very much to the point.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/abbott-full-of-praise-for-rudd/story-fn3dxiwe-1226428776381

  147. Cu, it turns up right on cue, the moment that Tony either fluffs his lines or that there is any positive news for the government..in come the msm with leadership speculation.

  148. Catching up,

    That is certainly part of Abbott’s pattern of behaviour. While other leaders speak about their team, for Tony the story is always about Tony.

  149. I would love to know when the plans were made for him to go overseas. When Parliament closed for the winter break, Mr. Abbott promised to spend every working hours campaigning against the toxic carbon tax. Nothing was said about taking ten days out to go overseas.

    For some reason the Opposition appears to be working to the belief that there will be an election in the near future.

    Why would they believe this. Slipper and Thomson are no longer flying. If anything they have become an negative for the Opposition.

    The PM appears to be very confident and at ease. Her minister appear to be one hundred percent behind her.

    The economy is travelling well.

    There is a good chance that the boat trade will be put to bed. If not, it will not be a positive for the Greens or Mr. Howard.

    We can only hope that the Asians have as thick skin, when he lands among them.

    He is definitely breaking a long standing protocol that one does not trash your country overseas.

    He is also talking about cutting waste etc. Now what has that got to do with the Australian/American relationship.

  150. They really have to work hard to turn what Mr. Fitzgibbons said into what they want.

    Maybe the PM is not his Favorited person, so what.

    He agree to the statement, that if one is unpopular in the polls, they generally go.

    He also said he expected the PM to improve in the polls.

    I know a couple of MP’s in this area are supportive of Mr. Rudd. My local member just might not get my vote for this reason. That is it I can find a way of voting that doers not harm Labor. She will also be told of my intentions.

  151. “I have to say the contributions that I’ve heard from Kevin Rudd have been highly sophisticated and very much to the point.”

    TA. As compared to my contributions that are basic shit and very much convoluted nonsense.

  152. TA’s “high powered” friends at the Heritage Foundation are kindred spirits…..

    TONY Abbott has attacked Labor defence cuts in front of a high-powered audience in Washington, siding with US hawks who say Australia is not pulling its weight in the bilateral defence relationship.

    Speaking to the Heritage Foundation, a leading conservative think tank, the Opposition Leader endorsed recent critiques of Australia’s defence budget by former US secretary of state, Richard Armitage, and the commander of the US Pacific Command, Admiral Samuel Locklear.

    He said he shared their concerns, and believed many Australians were also worried at the Gillard government’s commitment to defence.

    “As a result of defence cuts in the recent budget, Australia’s defence spending as a percentage of gross domestic product is now at the lowest level since, wait for it, 1938,” he said.

    “So that is quite a concern given we do not live in a benign environment. We do not live in benign times.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/tony-abbott-pitches-himself-to-us-as-future-pm-in-washington-speech/story-e6frg8yo-1226428707536

    The Heritage Foundation – Ask Heritage

    Will America reassert individual freedom—or continue our rapid slide toward European-style socialism and suffocating government control of our lives?
    Will our children be enslaved by federal debt as Washington politicians tax and spend away our future? Or will we raise our voices and say, “No more”?
    Will Obamacare be the beginning of a new, less free America—or will we one day look back on its repeal as the turning point that restored freedom to our citizens?

    There’s a pic of Rush Limbaugh with the caption

    Join Rush and more than 700,000 conservatives as members of the Heritage Foundation

    and this from “the experts”..

    What the experts are saying

    “No organization on earth is a better supplier of innovative, conservative ideas grounded in founding principles than Heritage.”
    —Sean Hannity

    “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of someone else’s money. Heritage has the answers this country needs.”
    —Rush Limbaugh

    “No policy shop has more clout than the conservative Heritage Foundation.”
    —Wall Street Journal</blockquote.
    http://www.askheritage.org/

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heritage_Foundation

  153. Min @ 10.57am,
    Cu, it turns up right on cue, the moment that Tony either fluffs his lines or that there is any positive news for the government..in come the msm with leadership speculation.

    Yes, like clockwork!

  154. JooR, you can be certain that the AFP work under the criteria of “a genuine fear of”. It’s not a great feeling, being threatened..and I know that both you and I have gone through similar in recent times. Just from my very slight knowledge of having worked with the police (Cu has far more experience in this regard), that it will be duly noted for future reference, but as no further threats have ensued that will be it for the moment.

  155. MO, is it the norm to carry on his campaign against a duly elected and legitimate government on the world stage. Surely his job is to build up Australia’s reputation.

    Yes, he can say how he, if elected will govern. Nothing wrong with that. What he can do, is leave words out like waste etc.

    The picture he is giving the world is of a dysfunctional and unstable government.

    Neither is true.

    He has only been there 24 hours.

    By the way he has lied to the Australian people. He told us he would be campaigning against the toxic tax for sex weeks.

    He added to this, the reason he believed he deserved the pay rise, because of the fight he was making on our behalf.

    He said he would be doing this every day until parliament resumed. Going overseas for 10 days is not fighting the toxic tax.

  156. He told us he would be campaigning against the toxic tax for sex weeks.

    Freudian slip of the keyboard there CU? 😀
    Or was he taking his chief of staff with him? 😉

  157. Sorry Bacchus, six. What I get for not looking at what I write. The fact is at that at the moment, I am likely to miss it. Sinus is the culprit. Everything is bleary.

    I cannot imagine the man having sex, It is hard for one to do with oneself.

  158. Some of Tony Abbott’s principles of propaganda:

    “Propaganda must be planned and executed by only one authority.”

    “Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.”

    “Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans. ”

    “Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred. ”

    “Black rather than white propaganda may be employed when the latter is less credible or produces undesirable effects. ”

    “To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium. ”

    “Propaganda must create an optimum anxiety level”
    Mr Abbott follows the principle that ‘when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. One must keep up the lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous’.

  159. Pip,
    Tony Abbott went straight to his Nazi Roots to address ex Nazis on Australia’s defence spending and socialist meeting at the ‘Heritage Foundation’.

    Paul Weyrich is a Melkite Greek Catholic whose personal background abounds with ties to Nazi collaborators and neo-fascist organizations. These well-documented facts do not seem to concern the U.S. Government, whose agencies have also been infiltrated by post World War II Nazi emigres. [For documentation of the CIA-Nazi connection, please see the Watch Unto Prayer report on The John Birch Society.]

    In the 1970s, Weyrich and Coors made appointments and set up political contacts on Capitol Hill for Franz Joseph Strauss, Bavarian head of state who helped emigre Nazi collaborators. Another fascist, Roger Pearson, writer and organizer for the Nazi Northern League of northern Europe, joined the editorial board of Policy Review, the monthly Heritage publication in 1977. The Coors Connection notes in a caption under an illustration of Pearson’s Eugenics And Race: “Dr. Roger Pearson’s racialist theories are circulated worldwide by neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations.” (6)

    Pearson was brought to the U.S. in 1965 by Willis Carto, founder of the neo-fascist Institute for Historical Review (which denies the Holocaust) and the anti-Semitic Liberty Lobby, which publishes the weekly Spotlight newspaper. Pearson left Heritage after a Washington Post expose of the racist/fascist orientation of the World Anti-Communist League. Pearson chaired the American branch, the Council on American Affairs from 1975-80, as well as the WACL from 1978-79. The following brief mention of Roger Pearson on the British Eugenics Society web site is an indicator of his abiding contribution to pure racial breeding:

    “Hans K. Gunther, a Nazi anthropologist and eugenicist… was assisted by Roger Pearson of the Eugenics Society, an important figure on the racist journal, Mankind Quarterly… Mankind Quarterly is a racist journal still pumping out venom in 1994, still influenced by Roger Pearson. Josef Mengele’s co-researcher at Auschwitz, Von Verschuer, was on the editorial advisory board of this journal before his death in 1970.”
    Paul Weyrich also sponsored and currently works closely with Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Austrian Nazi-collaborator whose Coalitions of the Americas is housed as a subsidiary in the Free Congress Foundation, the political arm of Heritage Foundation. Martin Lee’s book, The Beast Reawakens, refers to Pasztor as Weyrich’s right hand man:
    “In addition to homegrown agitators who dredged up anti-Semitic motifs that harkened back to the 1930s, some countries had to contend with groups that were led or supported by profascist exiles who repatriated from the West where they had carried on as vocal anti-Communists during the Cold War, often with CIA support. The Free Congress Foundation, founded by American far right strategist Paul Weyrich, became active in eastern European politics after the Cold War. Figuring prominently in this effort was Weyrich’s right-hand man, Laszlo Pasztor, a former leader of the pro-Nazi Arrow Cross organization in Hungary, which had collaborated with Hitler’s Reich. After serving two years in prison for his Arrow Cross activities, Pasztor found his way to the United States, where he was instrumental in establishing the ethnic-outreach arm of the Republican national Committee.”
    A recent SCOOP newsletter from the Heritage related National Center for Public Policy Research mentions foreign and defense policy meetings chaired by Laszlo Pasztor. NCPPR is a conservative communications and research foundation which also sponsors Wednesday luncheons frequently chaired by Weyrich and Pasztor.

  160. Bacchus @ 3.32

    Peta Credlin is definitely travelling with Tony. On the tele today there was Credlin following Tony, as Tony went to greet and shake hands with ,McCain.

  161. And did I see him yesterday sucking up to McCain, calling him a hero? I think so. And remember his sycophancy toward David Cameron when he visited the UK. Compare this “can I have a pat? please? please?” attitude with his sneering aggression toward anyone he thinks he can browbeat. What a creep.

  162. John McCain’s not a hero?

    He shook hands with a snake oil salesman. I reckon that’s pretty brave.

  163. I couldn’t shake hands with Tony Abbott, at least not with a clear conscience. How’s McCain’s? I don’t suppose we’ll find out. Would it have recovered yet from his preparedness to put Sarah Palin a literal heartbeat away from the Presidency of the United States?

  164. “Are you suggesting that Abbott is sleeping with Peta??”

    No, I am not. I see, it is OK talk about the PM’s sex life but not the Honorable Mr. Abbott’s.

    No, I am not. I might be suggesting that it is unlikely to be his wife.

    I might also be suggesting that I cannot imagine a person who is so wrapped up in themselves, sleeping with anybody.

    I see the Honorable Mr. Abbott as more show than substance.

  165. The post is a simple factually based report and at the moment draws no conclusions on causality, correlations or linkages between the carbon price starting and movements in the various indicators.
    Since end June 2012
    Official cash rate: No change
    Australian dollar (vs USD): +1.8%
    10 year govt bond yield: -0.12 percentage points
    ASX200: +1.9%
    RP Data house prices: +0.6%
    Change in Housing Wealth: +$24 billion
    Westpac index of Consumer sentiment: +3.7%
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    Peter Martin is economics correspondent for The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald.
    He blogs at petermartin.com.au and tweets at @1petermartin.

    http://www.blogotariat.com/node/470792

  166. James, as much sense as many of your comments. They both lost, their last elections, did they not.

  167. Woodside announced a 23% increase in production. Outlook for further increases looks good.

    Resources rebound with a 2% increase.

    Yep Tony’s Toxic Tax is so toxic it’s scaring the economy to jump higher.

  168. VOTERS believe that the carbon tax will not be scrapped by a Coalition government despite Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s “pledge in blood” to move on his first day as prime minister to repeal it, private polling by the major parties has found.

    http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/carbonageddon-nobody-believes-tony.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/UtodS+(North+Coast+Voices)

    If anyone believes this, they need to remember the mistake may made back in Howard’s day.

    Many believed that there would be no GST. They believed this, because the Democrats promised they would block any legislation.

    Remember the Democrats sold out, leading to their demise.

    It is one promise that Mr. Abbott will find hard to keep, but he is stupid and stubborn enough to try.

    If you do not want it to go, do not vote for the man.

  169. So Tony has chosen the New York Stock Exchange for his daily stunt.

    I am, sure they were interested in his messages about productivity. Have not heard full interview, except for his put down of the PM.

    he has had little success in talking the economy down here, so he has moved off shore.

    Good on him.

  170. Mr. Abbott from the floor of the New York Stock Exchange.

    “She entered into an agreement that she cannot uphold and should never had made in the first place”

    He is once again alleging this government is not legitimate.

    Sorry it is a duly elected legitimate government according to the Constitution.

    The PM has delivered on the agreement that was made with the cross benches to form this government.

    The government has delivered one of the strongest economies in the world.

    It is a functional and effective government.

    Mr. Abbott once again breaking the protocol not to trash the government while abroad.

    It is said that Mr. Keating made negative comments about Mr. Howard while abroad, breaking the protocol. Can anyone recall what comments did Mr. Keating make.

    I am sure that the businessmen listening to Mr. Abbott took comforted from what he said. I am sure they were reassured that the country was travelling well. Pigs might also fly.

    What gets me, no one seems to care about what he is saying.

  171. Cu, he is deluded enough into thinking America is in love with him.

    Sorry Tony, nobody loves you.

  172. A union leader’s defamation writ against federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott also names Sky News’s producer as a defendant in the claim.

    John Setka, the assistant secretary of the Victorian branch of the CFMEU, is suing Mr Abbott over comments made during a nationally-televised address in February.

    He says Mr Abbott defamed him and caused grave injury, humiliation, embarrassment and caused him loss and damage.

    The writ, filed in the Victorian Supreme Court, also names Australian News Channel, the producer of Sky News, which replayed Mr Abbott’s words, as a second defendant.

    On Friday, Justice David Beach directed the matter return to court on November 16.

    Mr Abbott has dismissed the case against him as a ‘blatant political try-on’, and vowed to strongly defend the matter.

    http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/07/20/November_date_for_Abbott_defamation_case_774065.html

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