Polls Apart

Opinion polls conducted by the mainstream media over the last year and a bit have delivered disastrous results for the Government and show that Julia Gillard is locked in a tight battle with Tony Abbott as the country’s preferred Prime Minister.

The Newspolls, in particular, are followed up with the most imaginative dribble of spin from analysts employed by the same organisation that conduct the poll.  Even bumps in popularity for the Government are explained away as something negative and assures folks that the next poll will wipe away any illusion of a Government comeback.  I’m sure most of you are familiar with the rubbish I’m referring to.

The polls themselves are conducted simply enough.  Respondents are selected randomly and are phoned by the polling interviewer.  Only landlines are phoned as it is illegal for a pollster to call a person’s mobile phone as many people have phone plans where they may be charged for taking a call.

So who’s missing out on a call?  The younger voters, that’s who.

I’ve found the results of many surveys on the internet about mobile phone user demographics and they all provide the same story: The younger cohort groups do not use a landline and the older ones are less likely to use a mobile.  (I won’t bore you with the statistics as I have many of them to follow).

If you look at the Primary Vote results for the latest Newspoll you’ll notice that support for the Coalition jumps dramatically with each increasing age group.  The healthiest support is in the 50+ age group (yes, that same group who mostly rely on a landline phone).  When a pollster phones a landline number, the chances are high that a person aged over 50 will answer the call and respond to the pollster’s questions.

So how do we know what the younger generations think?  Again I relied on the results of surveys found on the internet and guess what I found?  Younger people are more likely to be engaged with the internet and social media than the older generations.  And again I won’t bore you with statistics.  You’ll just have to take my word.

Turning to the social media sites it was soon apparent that the results from media ran opinion polls do not reflect the opinions of a hell of a lot of people.  Facebook is a good starting point.

The Facebook Page for Julia Gillard has almost 129,000 followers.  The Facebook Page for Tony Abbott has a sprinkle over 24,000 followers.  From those figures it’s not too hard to deduce who the younger generations prefer.

The Liberal Party of Australia has its own Facebook Page and has a miserable 23,000 followers.  The ALP does not have its own official page.

Kevin Rudd, incidentally, has over 70,000 followers.

Twitter also has Labor people as clear winners in the social media ‘opinion polls’.  Julia Gillard has 245,000 followers, leaving behind Tony Abbott on 70,700.  The ALP has 18,200 followers whilst the Liberal Party is yet to work out what Twitter is.

Kevin Rudd clearly has.  He has almost one and a quarter million followers.

My conclusions might be a bit pie in the sky but what I see is a lot of younger people out there engaging with, ‘following’ and ‘liking’ Labor politicians many times more than their Liberal counterparts.  These are the people who are not likely to be taking calls from pollsters and responding by blowing kisses at the Liberals.

Do you get the picture?

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74 comments on “Polls Apart

  1. https://www.facebook.com/LaborConnect

    I would love to agree. I also find it hard to believe what the polls say.

    What make me wonder, is that the state4 polls have been on course, predicting election results.

    I do suspect that polls are being used, or at least influencing outcomes.

    I would like to see them barred once elections are called.

    Today we more than 60% against the so called carbon tax. At the same time, we still have a similar number saying they believe in man made global warming.

    Remember, that the polls say that Mr. Abbott is as much on the nose as the PM.

    We could do without hearing all day how the PM job is getting harder and harder.

    We now have Mr.Abbott’s pledge in blood back again.

    The Labor is getting more desperate. ABC Lateline.

    Maybe so, but there is nothing coming from the Labor camp that back up the proposition that Labor is desperate.

    On my opinion, the most the media can say, is that Labor should or could be desperate,. because of the polls.

    My problem is that at this time, those same polls means nothing. It is not or should not be a popularity quest.

    Polls can change overnight. Remember how quickly they turned on Rudd.

    There is another worry, that might undermine your proposition. There is over a million and half not on the rolls. They are also in the same age group that do not have land lines.

  2. Migs, maybe we should encourage the young to get back on the rolls and that it is worth their while to take a interest in politics.

  3. I too think the polls can influence public opinion, and if not the polls then certainly the commentary that follows them.

  4. Catching up said, “there is nothing coming from the Labor camp that back up the proposition that Labor is desperate.”

    What about Craig Emerson’s performance today? Desperate to the point of madness, I’d have thought.

  5. I must admit I haven’t seen the performance, Victor. But I’m led to believe it was quite forgettable. We animals are all prone to moments of madness.

    I’m sure that when I do watch it, there might be the odd cringe or two.

    Or do you think it’s best I give it a miss?

  6. Emmo should stick to his day job, but to be fair, it showed that he isn’t vain… Albo would have had the moves down with no trouble. 😆

  7. No-one should be surprised at the Newspoll results. Ltd News is full to overflowing with stories of how bad this government is, with the ratio of opinion to policy weighted to assist the Newspoll results. Just saying..

  8. Emerson’s performance done the job. The media were again in their usual asking stupid questions and ignoring what Emerson was saying. That song illustrating that Abbott had lied, which is the message Emerson was attempting to get across but the media ignored, is now across everywhere, even internationally.

    So Emerson making a fool of himself has got the message out there that Abbott lied, something the media rarely pulls him up for.

    That the Australian has launched into an attack proves he got the message across. Also note that the Australian’s headlines do not bear any resemblance to the story.

    It is this type of false reporting that the government is battling against, and losing. So it it takes a politician making an idiot of himself like Costello and Downer have, and let’s face it Abbott does nearly every day, then so be it, it’s all the media deserve as they have turned political reporting and journalism into a circus.

  9. Mig. The polls generally reflect the election result. Even the union poll Essential Vision,
    http://essentialvision.com.au/
    is getting the same results, 44/56. The problem is Labor is alienated from the electorate. It started with Gillard’s announcement of the Carbon Tax and Labor’s Coalition with the greens. People did not vote for that policy or that arrangement.

  10. Geoff, I think that this is a good deal to do with Migs’ topic..that the polls over the years have become far less representative. This is to do with the methodology, in conducting phone polls, and I believe mostly on Friday nights and Saturdays.

    All of my crew are in the under 35yrs demographic and none of them, nor any of their friends have landlines. If you want a younger person’s phone number these days, they are far more likely to give you their mobile number.

  11. The polls are also reflecting a constant media beatup and negative campaign. If even a fraction of the attention was applied to Abbott and the Coalition then they would be in deep shit, even if that scrutiny were honest, unlike the beatup and often outright lies that are leveled against this government.

    That Abbott is so on the nose with all the favorable media he gets and being allowed to get away with constant blatant porkies says a lot about just how badly this man is thought of by the people.

    If you take the polls as being gospel then you must take the fact that Abbott constantly polls very badly, and often lower than Gillard who is consistently and unfairly harangued by the media, means he’s really on the nose.

  12. Mobius, indeed..and contain leading questions such as: Given that carbon tax is so unpopular, do you agree with it?

  13. I don’t disbelieve that the polls are telling us what the polls are asking, but, the polls themselves need to be taken into context. Yes, Labor is going to find it very difficult to claw its way back, and, with the media accentuating the negatives, and ignoring the positives, it will always look bleak. Take the last poll yesterday, that told us that, even after the Carbon Tax had begun, the support had actually fallen. A couple of points need to be considered, first, the poll would have been run before the Sunday, and secondly, even had it been run on Sunday, no actual ‘lived’ experience would have occurred. Interesting to see what the result is in a few weeks.

    As for Emerson, so sad that our politicians have to resort to this kind of inanity to get their message across, but it worked. Interesting also how the media have ridiculed him, yet tabots daily excursions into inanity barely raise an eyebrow, it is just mill for the grind now.

    The media wonder why they are bleeding readers, and blame ‘teh interwebs’. They really need to look closer to home I think 😉


  14. Its far from being a good day when it comes to the fortunes of Labor and the left this example From Craig Emerson shows me that Labor have totally lost both their dignity and any hope of winning on this issue. If the polling is to believed Emerson is gone at the next election, well I for on think that taking up singing as an alternative to politics won’t be an option even though he will be forced to give up his day job.
    The voice he ain’t!
    This is how to do it on key Craig

    Cheers Comrades

  15. The media appears to think that political activities start and end with the polls. They are being given a credibilty and status they do no deserve.

    There is much more going on, than the polls tell us.

    All day yesterday, that was all we heard. This in a time of many political stories being available.

    They may tell you an issue is important but not what it is you need to do to address it. Quite often politicians are panicked into personnel decisions and policy commitments that aren’t properly thought through.
    Of course what the public think about particular leaders is part of the political dynamic. However, even here there are many variations on a theme. They may dislike a leader but respect him or her and agree with their policy priorities.
    On the other hand they may like them but not trust them to perform well in a crisis. They may not like the way governments (or oppositions) are performing but when their political minds are focused in an election campaign this may be a secondary consideration.
    In my mind two things stand out as having overarching importance – conviction and creativity.
    Conviction around “the light on the hill” can never be under-estimated. It is true that it needs to be backed up by strategy – and to that end in-depth political research is necessary – but without a vision behind it the all-important trust factor is threatened.
    Electors like (and need) to know what their political leaders stand for. Good leaders will have a clear view about this and a narrative to back it up.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/opinion-polls-and-modern-politics-20120305-1ue32.html#ixzz1zVadGf65

  16. You know what that tells me ian. Even you have been made aware that tabot lied to us 😉

    Pathetic that it has to come to this to make it happen, but make it happen it did.

  17. The bandwagon effect occurs in voting: some people vote for those candidates or parties who are likely to succeed (or are proclaimed as such by the media), hoping to be on the “winner’s side” in the end.[8] The bandwagon effect has been applied to situations involving majority opinion, such as political outcomes, where people alter their opinions to the majority view (McAllister and Studlar 721). Such a shift in opinion can occur because individuals draw inferences from the decisions of others, as in an informational cascade.[citation needed]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect

  18. From the link to the oo ME put up

    Both sides of politics blitzed the airwaves yesterday

    And what is everyone talking about. Emo making a fool of himself over the fact that ‘tabot lied’ 😉

    The difference between the libs and Labor, Labor has the footsoldiers doing the stoopid things the media likes to watch, the libs leader does all theirs.

  19. Effect on voters
    By providing information about voting intentions, opinion polls can sometimes influence the behavior of electors, and in his book The Broken Compass, Peter Hitchens asserts that opinion polls are actually a device for influencing public opinion.[27] The various theories about how this happens can be split into two groups: bandwagon/underdog effects, and strategic (“tactical”) voting.
    A bandwagon effect occurs when the poll prompts voters to back the candidate shown to be winning in the poll. The idea that voters are susceptible to such effects is old, stemming at least from 1884; William Safire reported that the term was first used in a political cartoon in the magazine Puck in that year.[28] It has also remained persistent in spite of a lack of empirical corroboration until the late 20th century. George Gallup spent much effort in vain trying to discredit this theory in his time by presenting empirical research. A recent meta-study of scientific research on this topic indicates that from the 1980s onward the Bandwagon effect is found more often by researchers.[29]
    The opposite of the bandwagon effect is the underdog effect. It is often mentioned in the media. This occurs when people vote, out of sympathy, for the party perceived to be “losing” the elections. There is less empirical evidence for the existence of this effect than there is for the existence of the bandwagon effect.[29]
    The second category of theories on how polls directly affect voting is called strategic or tactical voting. This theory is based on the idea that voters view the act of voting as a means of selecting a government. Thus they will sometimes not choose the candidate they prefer on ground of ideology or sympathy, but another, less-preferred, candidate from strategic considerations. An example can be found in the United Kingdom general election, 1997. As he was then a Cabinet Minister, Michael Portillo’s constituency of Enfield Southgate was believed to be a safe seat but opinion polls showed the Labour candidate Stephen Twigg steadily gaining support, which may have prompted undecided voters or supporters of other parties to support Twigg in order to remove Portillo. Another example is the boomerang effect where the likely supporters of the candidate shown to be winning feel that chances are slim and that their vote is not required, thus allowing another candidate to win.
    In addition, Mark Pickup in Cameron Anderson and Laura Stephenson’s “Voting Behaviour in Canada” outlines three additional “behavioural” responses that voters may exhibit when faced with polling data.
    The first is known as a “cue taking” effect which holds that poll data is used as a “proxy” for information about the candidates or parties. Cue taking is “based on the psychological phenomenon of using heuristics to simplify a complex decision” (243) [30]
    The second, first described by Petty and Cacioppo (1996) is known as “cognitive response” theory. This theory asserts that a voter’s response to a poll may not line with their initial conception of the electoral reality. In response, the voter is likely to generate a “mental list” in which they create reasons for a party’s loss or gain in the polls. This can reinforce or change their opinion of the candidate and thus affect voting behaviour.
    Third, the final possibility is a “behavioural response” which is similar to a cognitive response. The only salient difference is that a voter will go and seek new information to form their “mental list,” thus becoming more informed of the election. This may then affect voting behaviour.
    These effects indicate how opinion polls can directly affect political choices of the electorate. But directly or indirectly, other effects can be surveyed and analyzed on all political parties. The form of media framing and party ideology shifts must also be taken under consideration. Opinion polling in some instances is a measure of cognitive bias, which is variably considered and handled appropriately in its various applications.
    [edit]Effect on politicians
    This section requires expansion.
    Starting in the 1980s, tracking polls and related technologies began having a notable impact on U.S. political leaders.[31] According to Douglas Bailey, a Republican who had helped run Gerald Ford’s 1976 presidential campaign, “It’s no longer necessary for a political candidate to guess what an audience thinks. He can [find out] with a nightly tracking poll. So it’s no longer likely that political leaders are going to lead. Instead, they’re going to follow.”[31]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_poll

  20. Geoff, I think the question being asked here, is whether polls in themselves not only reflect views but help to form them.

    This could be true when we have a new one every few days, and being done to death by the media..

    All we hear from the media is how the PM is in danger of going, because the polls. What I mean, is that everything is crouch in what they think the PM is doing, feeling and thinking because of the polls results.

    When one sees the PM in the media, polls appear to be the last thing from her mind.

    Iain, Mr. Emerson is generally a staid type of person. He appears to have made a conscious effort over the last few days, to act the fool. It is obviously, this is something that does not come naturally to him. I expect it was meant to send up Mr. Abbott’s stupid predictions, but I agree with you, he failed badly.

    Now this is not true of the Opposition Leader. We see an example of his stupid stunts every day of the year.

    That is not quite true, he does disappear, if the media begin asking him questions.

  21. I also think that, considering Emos antics yesterday, now is a good time to repeat this snippet 😉

    JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.

    It will be part of a bold series of reforms that include school funding, education and health.

    In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step.

    “I don’t rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism,” she said of the next parliament. “I rule out a carbon tax.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983

  22. Tom, and that is the downside of the alternative media. For quite a number of years now people have considered that they are somehow immune from things such as defamation. There was a leading case last year where a person was defamed on Facebook, and it seems that people are now taking on Twitter. Basically, you cannot just say what you like about a person and for there not to be any legal ramifications.

  23. Cu, Albo is the one who should be the main face of the government..as you mentioned yesterday, there is a certain similarity between Albanese and Fred Daly. Albo, and perhaps Combet..he spruces up ok too. If I was thinking strategy for Labor, I would highly recommend that they start to get a few personalities out there. Labor may not currently have a Bob Hawke or a Keating or even a Rudd, but the current mob have a darn sight more character than what the Liberals have on offer.

    Recommendation to Emo..give it a miss in the future.

  24. As it should be Min, as it should be.

    I may post anonymously (or so I assume), yet I still try and assume that I’ll be held responsible for what I say and do.

    As uncomfortable as that might be.

  25. One cannot get away from the truth, that the PM did not lie.

    The truth is that the Opposition and the media continue to lie, when they keep saying she did.

    When one takes the time and effort to listen, one will find that she is a straight talker and does not set out to confuse.

    Yes, she does not always answer every question as the questioner would like.

    This is because the question is often phrases to elicit an simple answer that is misleading.

    The question is often based on misleading facts.

  26. I was quite bemused yesterday when I got a warning on legality of what is common knowledge.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/nation-adjusts-to-pms-first-bloke/story-fn59niix-1225896299583

    He drank a glass of water, her contact lenses and all. Emerson will lose his seat at the next election so he can play the fool.

    All the polls are around the same mark, a thrashing is in store and the only Labor person that has a chance of holding his seat is Rudd in QLD. Worst government ever!

  27. Min, I noticed that it was Combet that responded last night on Q&A from the other end of the table.

  28. Ray Hadley, in The Project, got under my skin last night. He made a nasty comment on the fact that the PM’s partner accompanied her to Darwin.

    He thought this was disgusting. I can never recall that it was disgusting when Howard or any other male PM was accompanied by their wives.

    It was appropriate, as the Indonesian leader was accompanied by his wife.

    I do believe that there are many that can not deal with a woman PM. Added to this, some who cannot deal with her not being married, but in their eyes living in sin. Thirdly, the fact that she does not have children, is one step to far for some.

    We now have those who find fault in having more than one boyfriend.

    The PM has now added to their discomforted, because she has not wilted, as a woman should. The PM is now adding insult to injury by showing she can take it, but also deal it out.

    It is sad world we live in, when the prejudice of a few seem to set the perception of the PM.

    On the Drum, we had a Opposition spokesman, tearing down the PM’s and Labor’s relationship with Indonesia. Saying that the relationship between the two countries have never been so bad. He ranted on that the first thing Abbott would be doing, was repairing this relationship. This is false but occurring whole the Indonesian leader is in the country is beyond the pale.

    This is all the rubbish that is being fed into the polls.

  29. Please please don’t let Abbott loose on the world stage. Saw his speech to the Indonesian president yesterday (why did ABC give him more prominence than Gillard?) and he will the biggest embarrassment to this country every, far worse than Howard and probably worse than Downer, though that’s a hard one to go below.

    ——————
    Freed Australian lawyer Melinda Taylor flies out of Libya

    Must add a very well done to Bob Carr who is getting high praise for his efforts in freeing Melinda Taylor and her co-workers, who volunteered to remain incarcerated with her.

    Carr apparently laid out a road map as he called it in steps to be taken to free her and at every stage kept her family and all those concerned informed. His road map came to a successful fruition yesterday.

    Must have a dig at the opposition here. Imagine stare of death Bishop as Foreign Minister in the same situation? Scary thought for any Australian who finds themselves in trouble overseas isn’t it?

  30. On Adelaide radio yesterday, Dr Emerson defended his decision to ridicule the opposition’s anti-carbon tax campaign at an appearance in Whyalla, west of Adelaide, with fellow Labor frontbencher Gary Gray on Sunday. “We were mocking Tony Abbott because . . . he said that Whyalla would be wiped off the face of the earth along with a whole bunch of other regional towns and centres, so we actually don’t see the funny side of Tony Abbott going around terrorising regional cities and communities for his own political benefit.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/carbon-tax/craig-emerson-turns-the-serious-into-a-stunt/story-fndttws1-1226415115920

  31. On the Drum, we had a Opposition spokesman, tearing down the PM’s and Labor’s relationship with Indonesia. Saying that the relationship between the two countries have never been so bad.

    Maybe that spokesman wasn’t around in 2004 under Howard when we nearly went to war with Indonesia and we had troops mobilised in Darwin in preparation.

    Sorry, that’s all I know. We’ll all have to wait under 2034 when documents are released under the 30 year rule.

  32. The Australian/Indonesian relationship during the Howard years is yet another rewrite of history by the Liberals, just as their supposed great relationship with China was.

  33. Miglo, I can see nothing wrong with the present relationship. It seems to be mature to me, dealing with issues that are important to both countries.

    All we heard yesterday was that the boat people would be the major issue. This in spite of the PM saying trade and many other important issues are on the table.

    The media, or should I say, rhe ABC seemed amazed that the boats were not discussed yesterday.

    Yesterday was defence.

    Trade looms large,

    Yes, the boats will be discussed, but in the scheme of things, is really a small matter.

  34. Cu, I doubt very much there is a problem with our relationship with Indonesia. The Opposition simply want another thing to complain about.

  35. I don’t remember any incident in 2004, I do remember the threat by the Howard Government to wipe out Indonesia’s airforce in 1999 however.

    It was in regards to prevent the scorched earth policy of the Indonesian forces pulling out of Timor and to protect the peace keeping force there.

    Our strike fighters were all at a base south west of Darwin, loaded with our pilots and flight crews sitting under the wings waiting for the order to scramble.

    Doubt if it is general knowledge as I only learnt of it by being told by a mate who loads the ordnance. Could have got pretty messy but the Indo’s backed down.

  36. Scaper, the 2004 incident was not for public knowledge. That’s why we have to wait until 2034.

    We’ll have to be patient. 😦

  37. Our present relationship with Indonesia is fine..but things do change, and it wasn’t all that long ago that son was on shore patrol with the Federal Police in East Timor.

    Rudd as both PM and FM was making inroads, but that all could change when you have idiots like Abbott and J.Bishop coming over all hairy chested against Indonesia saying that they’ll turn the boats around. J.Bishop has already received a reprimand over the issue from Indonesian officials.

  38. Cu, I doubt very much there is a problem with our relationship with Indonesia.

    Of course not, july bishop was over there smoothing things over for us 😉

  39. Tom, July Bishop would have problems getting her brain around the latest Armani sales. This is with due respect to those who believe that Armani suits on sale are important.

  40. Min don’t forget Hockey in the fairy gab.
    Poor Joe has has gained a lot of weight since his shrek days

  41. Sue, as a Fiona..I would run a mile..who needs a two-faced Shrek in their lives..

    Hockey was actually personable in those days, before he sold his soul to the devil.

  42. Hi Fran. I’d like to think that most people on Facebook who take an interest in politics/a politician would be of a voting age.

    The Abbott lovers would easily qualify. Most of them are over 90. 😉

  43. “The Abbott lovers would easily qualify. Most of them are over 90.”

    My Mum’s nearly 96 and can’t stand the sight of Abbott (or any conservative for that matter)

  44. Great piece mig. i have often wondered how important social media will be in the future for deciding elections. and as for polls, i’d be happy to limit them to yearly occurrences. a government’s term lasts three years for a reason – placing parties under 24/7 popularity pressure is what leads to knee-jerk, short-term policy production.

  45. Tom R, it’s hilarious when creatures like Textor and Crosby whine about their “integrity” being challenged. You can’t challenge something that doesn’t exist.

  46. Hi Luke, how’s your holiday in America going?

    The social media revolution has begun. Within five years governments will not be giving traditional media releases any more, but providing them through Facebook and Twitter.

    And that, my friend, is a fact.

  47. Americas going great thanks migs! Hard to keep on top of aussie politics though. CW and other blogs have become my primary source of news 😛 And if media releases reach more people via fb then why not embrace social media.

  48. Luke, glad you’re enjoying yourself. You’ll have lots of memories.

    Aussie politics hasn’t changed much since you left. Abbott is still full of shit. Nothing new.

  49. Abbott is still full of shit. Nothing new.

    Yes Migs, he is !

    Abbott backs Brough selection bid
    July 5, 2012

    In the Slipper case, Mr Brough has been accused of receiving from Mr Ashby, a Slipper staffer, extracts of the Speaker’s diary. Asked about Mr Brough’s involvement, Mr Abbott said: ”He’s dealt with this in a pretty upfront way and it’s there for everyone to see.”

    Unfortunately for Mr. Brough … it is there for everyone to see.

  50. Boycotting Brumby’s Bakery? learn more about them, including their Liberal Party connections

    There has been a lot of talk in the past 24 hours about boycotting Brumby’s Bakeries for their encouraging their franchise holders to put up their prices and blame it on the carbon pricing.

    But, what ever dark corner of the business world Brumby’s crawled out of, it is time to shine a light on them, just exactly are we giving our money to when we buy their products.

    First up, is their connection with the Liberal Party.
    Brumby’s is just one brand / franchise owned by Retail Food Group. RFG was founded by Murray D’Almeida

    He has held a variety of Non-Executive positions with the Queensland Branch of the Liberal Party of Australia, both as a member of the Finance Committee and the Queensland State Executive.
    Source: here
    [ http://mrslimited.com/corporate-directory/directors/ ]

    Is it any surprise that someone that connected to the Liberal Party would be happy with franchise holders risking huge, massive fines in order to push a political agenda.

    Next, is their use of 457 visas.

    cont.,
    http://turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2012/07/05/boycotting-brumbys-bakery-learn-more/

  51. … it is there for everyone to see.

    And by the end of it there will be a lot more for everyone to see, unfortunately for Brough but fortunately for the Australian people.

  52. Mobius, I agree..Brough has certainly shot himself in the foot with this one. A decided lack of character. I must admit that I *used to* think Brough half way reasonable..not any more, and that’s a certainty.

  53. “there for all to see” 😆

    Peter Slipper subpoenaes LNP head Bruce McIver

    by: MICHAEL McKENNA and MATTHEW FRANKLIN
    From: The Australian
    July 05, 2012 12:00AM

    QUEENSLAND Liberal National Party president Bruce McIver has been subpoenaed to give evidence in the sexual harassment case against Peter Slipper, with lawyers demanding he provide any evidence of his involvement with Mal Brough or the stood-aside Speaker’s staffers.

    Mr Slipper’s lawyers are demanding that Mr McIver disclose documents and communications after being asked by Mr Brough, a former Howard government minister, to find at least one staffer a job in the then newly-elected Campbell Newman state government as the lawsuit was being prepared in April.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/peter-slipper-subpoenaes-lnp-head-bruce-mciver/story-fndckad0-1226417324357

  54. Thank you Pip on the link @ 8.26

    I was hoping someone would do the outing for the political connections.

    I hope it is spread across the blogs as it won’t make the msm.

  55. Oh Pip we must just throw this bit into the misx hope we get a rise

    “As Brumbys said in June of this year “The main issue for us has always been staffing, especially finding bakers. About 4 years ago we decided to sponsor our first overseas baker on a 457 Visa”. I see their point. Finding someone who can open a huge bag of premixed bread mix, dumping it in the mixer and hitting the On switch takes skills as elusive as the Higgs-Boson particle.”

    http://turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2012/07/05/boycotting-brumbys-bakery-learn-more/

  56. Yesterday we were talking showing the small businesses that support Tony Abbott what happens on the other side of Abbott’s political stunts.
    Have a look at this response to Abbott at Bickford’s Cordials

    “I am boycotting Bickford’s Cordials. For a boycott to have impact, letting the company or organisation know why you are boycotting them, enables them them change their practices and policies.

    This is a copy of an email I sent to Bickford’s Cordial over their involvement today in Tony Abbott’s carbon “tax” stunt. Feel free to use this as a basis for your own letters or emails. If I receive a reply, I will post that too.

    http://turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/mummy-blogger-shares-her-email-to-bickfords-over-their-participation-in-tony-abbotts-carbon-tax-stunt-guest-post-jo-nakashima/

  57. Sue, excellent work by mummy blogger. We consumers often forget that we do have power to make the manufacturers take notice. If Bickfords choose to play politics, then they will have to wear the consequences.

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