Civil War

Please allow me to quote the famous yet chilling words spoken by Robert Menzies to his fellow Australians at the outbreak of World War 2:

‘It is my melancholy duty to inform you officially that, in consequence of a persistence by Germany in her invasion of Poland, Great Britain has declared war upon her, and that, as a result, Australia is also at war.’

We are again under threat.  Not since the Japanese bombing of Darwin and the advancement of the Japanese forces as they swept through our northern neighbours have we faced a greater threat to our country, our freedom and our future.  At great cost, we survived the Japanese onslaught but that threat pales in comparison to the destiny that awaits us.  We are facing total annihilation, this time from an enemy within and I am forced to borrow those haunting words of Robert Menzies:

It is my melancholy duty to inform you officially that, in consequence of a persistence by Her Majesty’s Opposition and the right-wing media that the sky is going to fall down, we are at civil war.

Do not underestimate their rabid gallantry.  Or their cunning.

As we saw in World War 2, preceding any invasion was the flooding of propaganda material aimed at convincing the beleaguered victims that a better life awaits them if they submit peacefully.  Mr Abbott has repeatedly warned that our impending torture would be averted if another Federal election could be held before July 1 and the anointed of him as Prime Minister.  He failed.  We are hence now at war and the right-wing propaganda has begun in earnest.

This morning the first of the propaganda leflets fell from the sky.

Renewable energy targets are adding m ore than $100 a year to household power bills and should face a wholesale review, a key regulator warned as it approved an 18 per cent rise in NSW electricity prices. The price rise sparked immediate outrage from the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, which warned business was facing a “perfect storm” as power prices were driven higher by the carbon tax . . . Of the 18.1per cent rise in electricity prices, 8.9 per cent was attributable to the carbon tax.

Brisbane lord mayor Graham Quirk has blamed the carbon price for increasing rates by 1.9 per cent.

Families are in for a larger than predicted power bill shock, with a quarter of households to pay more than $400 extra a year from July 1. And almost half the rise is due to the carbon tax.

The state government needs to increase help to households most exposed to rising power prices, welfare groups have warned, after the pricing regulator yesterday approved double-digit rises for electricity and gas bills from July 1. Part of the increase is due to the carbon tax.

A mechanic already forced to lay off two workers because of increasing costs yesterday lashed out at having to pay hundreds more to keep the lights on and tools working at his business. Corey Siviour from Port Macquarie will pay above the average of $555 extra for a Country Energy small business customer from July 1. Of the 19.7 per cent rise for Country Energy customers, 9.4 per cent is due to the carbon tax and Mr Siviour will not be compensated.

At the time, the government maintained it was because the Liberals had promised to block the corporate tax cut in the Senate because it was supposedly to be paid for by the proceeds of the evil mining tax.

He said when the Rudd Government announced the 40 per cent Resources Super Profits Tax, a more extensive forerunner to the MRRT, orders from mining firms dried up, with none for two months and just one in the third. “When the first (version of the) tax was announced, everything went dead, orders just stopped,” he told The Advertiser.

Meka says government policy read the introduction of the minerals resource rent tax and the carbon tax have turned investors away from Australia.

That’s a lot of propaganda in one morning and I expect it to fall from the sky like heavy rain for the rest of the month.

Mr Abbott, surprisingly, has been very quiet and is no longer seen bravely darting around the battlefront.  Maybe he’s staying indoors so the falling sky won’t flatten him. Closer to the truth is that he’s probably run out of targets to ambush.  His terror campaign of fronting up to businesses warning them that they’d be ruined unless his ‘occupation’ of The Lodge was achieved peacefully has been ignored. Or maybe he simply ran out of business enterprises to verbally snipe at.  Let’s face it, it was a robust and relentless drawn out campaign.

Now his heavily-backed troops in the media have taken up the fight.

Peace can only be achieved when they see Abbott instilled as dictator leader of this country, when people can afford to switch on their lights, when when mines don’t have to close, when towns won’t be wiped off the map, when butchers, bakers and candle stick makers don’t nail shut their doors, when people can venture outside safe in the knowledge that the sky won’t fall down.

Until that time, we remain at war.

It is my melancholy duty to inform you officially, that, we are undermanned and under resourced .  The war is going badly for us.  WE NEED MORE TROOPS.

108 comments on “Civil War

  1. Well, the left started it with the skewed FWA that is as bad as Workchoices in reverse. Then Swan and Gillard started the class war and no amount of troops are going to win that outdated stupid divide and rule farce.

    The artillery is being assembled and the hair shirted rebels that had to invent a cause will be decimated by being relegated to the dustbin of no consequence. Slowly but surely taking over Fairfax and what then? Circle the wagons around the ABC?

    The ABC has some very good assets…should get a good price when it is privatised by the next government. I hear James wants that action.

  2. Miglo – It is my melancholic and solemn duty to inform you that you are suffering serious paranoid delusions and confusions of thought, and need professional help as a matter of some considerable urgency. If you are able to secure the most appropriate therapeutic and recuperative treatment you should be restored to sanity in a matter of months, and we look forward to receiving you back as soon as you are fully restored. My good wishes for your future and please get well soon.

  3. The greatest madness of all..to see life as it is, and not as it should be. My dear friend Miglo sees life as it should be.

  4. “Mr Abbott, surprisingly, has been very quiet and is no longer seen bravely darting around the battlefront. Maybe he’s staying indoor”

    Sadly you are wrong. He has been in SA for the last couple of fays, saving that uranium mine.

    This morning he was with Cory, in some factory.

    He made the most informative comment I have seen him make. He said that because of the carbon tax, the firm has had to make many adaptions to survive.

    This was terrible according to Mr. Abbott, and you know what, the tax has not even come in.

    Hey, is not that what it is about. Is it not to encourage business to use less electricity.

    Miglo it might not be war but it sure feels like it is.

    It also feels like it is going to be fought to the bitter death. I fear it might be the death of our democracy and political system, as we know it.

  5. ‘I fear it might be the death of our democracy and political system, as we know it.’

    Do not be afraid, we have a robust democracy and the people will choose wisely. There will be no blood in the streets, riots of one sort or another, it’s merely a change of government.

    I still haven’t given up hope that princess Julia will be dumped in time to save the party.

  6. Min.time does go on. Things do change. We make great noise, that is quickly forgotten.

    How many political disasters have we had since Howard was thrown out of office and his seat.

    How many can you name.

    The PM is still there. Governance is occurring, The economy is sound.

    It is all much ado, about nothing.

  7. Public housing rents are to go up in NSW and guess what the O’Farrell government is blaming it on?

  8. Migs, that is something that I do admire about you..somewhere on the list 1-1,000 hehehe. Cool rationality. A trait I sadly lack. 😦

  9. Cu, sometimes history needs leaders such as Abbott in order to change things around yet again.

    IF/when Abbott gets in, it’s going to be strange times indeed..because who is Abbott going to blame?

  10. Tom, why I’m thinking it strange because nowhere has Abbott actually specified what Julia has done wrong..it’s all just nebulous statements, nothing specific whatsoever.

    So Tony doesn’t like Julia..but who is he going blame when things go down the tube, when he cannot turn the boats around, when he cannot repeal the taxes.

    All that we know so far about Tony is that he’s going to turn around the boats (method unknown), spend a squillion taking people to Nauru for zero effect whatsoever, pay millionaire mums to stay at home to mind the kiddies, pay these same millionaire mums the cost of hiring a nanny. Apart from that, I cannot for the life of me think of what Tony actually is going to do.

  11. i seriously doubt that abbot will ever face another election as LOTO, let alone ever becoming PM.

    The reliance of the right on scapegoating , lies and denial of reality, bears an eerie similarity to prewar germany, and poses similar threats, culminating in fascism,imho.

    i think many are beginning to wake up to lunacy involved in the tactics of the opposition, and are starting to ask for policies from those who would contest government, but offer nothing but lies and vicious negativity.

  12. Me 3, but just in case I have copied some stats put up earlier by CU 2.55pm and MJ 7.44pm on Team Abbott thread here and will be printing copies to distribute, I may need permission Migs, (not sure on protocol Migs)

  13. Word of mouth may be the best form of advertising… and I’v worked out, by past experience, that a leaflet drop can start the conversation. F* time ( again Goff) Papers wont print it, so lets do it our selves….. a copy in the Dr’s surgery.. a copy at the laundromat…. etc… from little things..

  14. LOVO, I believe they came from Glen Stevens. I feel he wants them out int he public arena. He has used them in at least row speeches that I know of. The cameras never showed them once,

    Do not know what the media game is.

  15. CU, but peoples here know what the media’s game (aim) is…. so what do we do ❓
    We disseminate the data some other way…. word of mouth.. make our way around ‘them’ ……. a copy in the lunch room.. a copy at the Dr’s…. a copy in the local laundry….. caravan pk, dentist, coffee shop…etc….. and of course here and other ‘new’ media out-lets….
    Like Iain said, its about walking not talk’n.. 😀

  16. Bacchus, thanks…. have done did that very thing.. simple ,basic but here ’tis…………
    According to Abbott and the MSM Press this Labor Govt has not done a thing.
    some FACTS:-
    Question : The standard variable mortgage interest rate was 8.55% when the Labor Government won the November 2007 election. After the June cut in official interest rates, what is the average mortgage rate of the big banks?
    A: 6.80%
    Question : How much is the annual savings in repayments on a $300,000 mortgage with interest rates at 6.80% versus 8.55%?
    A: $4,100 a year.
    Question : The June cut from the RBA saw the official cash rate fall to 3.5%. When was the last time a Coalition or Liberal Party controlled Government presided over a cash rate this low and who was Prime Minister at that time?
    A: 1965; Robert Menzies.
    Question : When was the last cut in official interest rates during the Howard Government?
    A: December 2001.
    Question : What happened to official interest rates during the final 6 years of the Howard Government?
    A: Interest rates only rose – there were 10 straight interest rate rises from a low of 4.25% in December 2001 to 6.75% by the time of the November 2007 election.
    Question : If the futures market is correct, where will the official cash rate be at the start of 2013 and what does this imply for the level of mortgage rates?
    A: Around 2.25% to 2.50% for the official cash rate, which implies a standard variable mortgage rate around 5.75% to 6.00%.
    Question : What was the average official cash rate under the Howard Government? (April 1996 to November 2007)
    A: 5.43%
    Question : What is the average official cash rate under the Rudd and Gillard Governments? (December 2007 to June 2012)
    A: 4.71%
    Q. In what year, did the tax to GDP ratio reach a record high? Which political party presided over this record tax take?
    A: 24.2 per cent of GDP in both 2004-05 and 2005-06. The Coalition.
    Q. In terms of big taxing governments, in how many years since 1982-83 has the tax to GDP ratio been above 23.5 per cent?
    A: Seven, under the Coalition. None under Labor.
    Q. In how many years was the tax to GDP ratio below 21.0 per cent when the Coalition was in government? In how many years was the tax to GDP ratio below 21.0 per cent when Labor was in government?
    A: Zero under the Coalition, Six under Labor.
    Q. In the last eight Labor budgets where the budget outcome is known (five for Hawke/Keating and three for Rudd/Gillard), how many times has the tax to GDP been above 22.0 per cent?
    A: None.
    Q. In the 12 Howard government budgets, how many times was the tax to GDP ratio above 22.0 per cent?
    A: All 12.
    http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2079-a-little-quiz-on-interest-rates#respond

  17. Bacchus, Migs has had me down the cellar looking for you. He mumbled something about you being in State of Origin hiding. 😉

  18. Nah Roswell – that was a good game. The better team on the night won. It will be a different result in 3 weeks time though 😉

    Don’t tell TB I said so, but I think it would be better for SOO for NSW to win a series occasionally – gotta keep the interest alive. NSW people I talk to at work have given up on SOO. I can’t stir them up at origin time like I used to. 😆

    Indians and cricket season is another matter though :mrgreen:

  19. Five people are down in the cellar looking for you.

    I didn’t think you were gullible enough to fall for that one Migs – they were never actually looking for me :mrgreen:

  20. MIgs
    You do have a witty way with words but there are clearly times when that brave rear guard action won’t win the day, trying to “save” this dogs breakfast of a government is certainly one of those times. To echo another prime minister :
    “well may you say “God save the Queen” but nothing will save the Gillard government” This government has absolutely passed the point of no return when it comes to credibility with the public and Labor don’t have the ability to do mid-air refuelling so Its crash and burn or try to stay in the air for as long as possible before a final and devastating crash-landing Queensland style, That meets the classic definition of Hobbson’s choice.

  21. Abbott is despised and dismissed more than any other opposition leader ever, despised even more so than the PM.

    Yet you want this gormless cowardly lying puppet in charge.

    And the PM supposedly being despised is because of a continuous media beat up based on lies and distortions, which you swallow hook line and sinker in your mindless follow the rabid right wing pack mentality.

  22. Möbius
    If you are going to make the claim that the only reason that Gillard is despised is because of a hostile media then its only fair to use the same argument about how some people feel about Tony Abbott, given the way that Fairfax press, the ABC and every lefty blogger under the sun knock Tony at every opportunity. So horses being courses lets say that both sides of politics are less than loved, then it becomes a question of which side can be more trusted andGillard loses out big time on that score.

  23. Iain, if you believe that Abbott has been treated so unfairly, I would love to know your opinion about why he would make such a sterling Prime Minister…and no, because he’s not Gillard does not equate with logic.

  24. I call bullshit Iain. Only a hard core one eye blinded automaton Liberal Party follower would call the ABC left these days, and Fairfax, who Gina just bought another large chunk of, hasn’t been true left in a long time.

    Take of your blue tinted glasses.

    Along with that, Abbott has had a dream run across the media of all persuasions whereas Rudd, and now Gillard, have been relentlessly attacked even over the most minor and petty things, or they just make it up.

    Abbott is rarely, if ever, held to account for his nonsense statements, brain farts that cost billions in unfunded liabilities, undeliverable half baked policies, that are mostly negativisms, and his almost daily stream of lies, like the big porky he told only two days ago, yet not one reporter picked him up on that blatant lie.

    Yet with all that Abbott is still on the nose and worse than Gillard. Imagine how low Abbott would be if he didn’t have such a favorable media on his side, and had to actually account for his stammering three word gibberish nonsense and was pulled up on his constant stream of porkies?

  25. It’s a funny thing with hard core right wing supporters and their warped belief and skewed view of the world that any media that doesn’t spend 50% of its time praising the hard right conservatives and the other 50% attacking the center and the left, even at times the center-right, then that media must be Left biased.

    I remember an interview with Howard where throughout he was treated with kid gloves and allowed to get away with blatantly obvious distortions and untruths without challenge, yet there was still a slew of complaints that Howard wasn’t treated with due deference and the respect the PMs office deserved.

    I bet those same complainants today are trashing the PMs office in every utterance and not an iota of deference is being paid to the PM.

    Welcome to the warped world of the RWDB.

  26. ME, I hope you don’t mean things like, when Labor maintain a file of speeches made by opposition members that is on the public record, it is called a ‘dirt file’, yet for their chosen opposition, they accept it simply as a ‘clips file’

  27. Iain, so what. As I have said before, that is democracy.

    In the meantime, even though you cannot bring yourself to believe it, the PM is the legit duly elected leader of the government the people elected at the last government.

    Why keep repeating what we are well aware of, that Labor could lose the next election. It is also possible that the Coalition will not win.

    It is you that cannot accept reality, not us.

    What will happen in the next 470 odd days is not known today. Much can change. Have not you noticed, that Mr. Abbott is being scrutinized and questioned. There is a little ridicule starting to appear.

    Maybe people will begin to see all those good numbers, numbers that I cannot remember being all together in my lifetime.

    Iain, what is really your gripe. I suspect it is that Ms. Gillard is PM and nothing more.

    ,

  28. the far-right ideologues abandoned reality with their denialist theme wrt agw.
    doing this, they have sacrificed credibility.

    nothing remains for them, except propoganda

  29. Pterosaur and

    nothing remains for them, except propoganda

    Precisely. Tony Abbott is so paranoid as to always feel threatened..you can see it in the darting of the eyes. He’s a man not comfortable in his own skin.

    When you cannot deal with a person logically and factually, then just throw insults, one liners and other other propaganda their way.

  30. Coalition ‘angst’ at Abbott’s attitude
    Chris Johnson, Canberra Times, 29 August 2011

    Tony Abbott has little trust for his front bench and is paranoid about being double-crossed, according to a number of senior members of his team who have expressed a growing unease over the Opposition Leader’s style.

    Some shadow ministers as well as numerous backbenchers have told The Canberra Times that Mr Abbott is nervous about many of those around him and that he is making too many unilateral decisions.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/coalition-angst-at-abbotts-attitude/2273068.aspx?src=rss

  31. What I find amusing, and slightly disturbing, is how a lot of ‘blokes’ like Iain desperately want to keep alive the idea of how much the PM is hated by ALL and sundry. (Just scroll through any of the MSM comments and you’ll see what I mean.)

  32. Julia, yet when challenged “the blokes” cannot provide a reason. They say it because the person in charge of their psyche says it to be the truth.

  33. Julia, we could keep on replying that Abbott is liked less, The problem is that it would prove nothing.

    I would rather talk about what both are doing and achieving.

    it is the PM that has won every round with Mr. Abbott. He has achieved nothing over the last couple of years, nothing.

    The PM is still strongly entrenched in government. Mr. Abbott is still languishing on the opposition benches.

    The PM has got all through, three hundred pieces in fact, while Mr. Abbott has not got through one amendment.

    The only piece of legislation that the PM has not been able to precede with is the Malaysian scheme.

    Mr. Abbott is doing day in and out, what he was doing two years ago, He is still performing the same stunts and repeating the same three word slogans.

    In a fortnight, the GEF and MRRT come into being.

    The public will begin collecting the goodies that these actions involve. The mining super profits will be shared out among the community, as they should.

    Iain, could be correct, the public might despise this PM but she sure has been effective and productive.

    The PM does as she says, she delivers.

  34. CU

    Julia, we could keep on replying that Abbott is liked less, The problem is that it would prove nothing.

    Hmm when the topic is who has the best prospects at the next election it is entirely pertinent.

    I would rather talk about what both are doing and achieving.

    it is the PM that has won every round with Mr. Abbott. He has achieved nothing over the last couple of years, nothing.

    Really? now I have heard of rose coloured glasses but yours must be the deepest and most opaque red glass imaginable!

    The PM is still strongly entrenched in government. Mr. Abbott is still languishing on the opposition benches.

    No Gillard is not “strongly entrenched” at all and in fact she is just one heart attack or serious scandal (Craig Thomson take a bow ) away from political oblivion she is certainly hanging on by her finger nails but only just.

    The PM has got all through, three hundred pieces in fact, while Mr. Abbott has not got through one amendment.

    🙄
    That canard is about the most hollow and stupid piece of spin imaginable, any government has to have a majority in the reps so of course it will be able to pass legislation.Its both disingenuous and meaningless to suggest that it shows any sort of competence or governmental success.

    The only piece of legislation that the PM has not been able to precede with is the Malaysian scheme.

    No it could not get its changes to company tax through and they have had to seriously compromise their policies and promises to buy the votes of the Greens and independents, so seriously in fact that the price they have paid is their credibility.

    Mr. Abbott is doing day in and out, what he was doing two years ago, He is still performing the same stunts and repeating the same three word slogans.

    He is fulfilling his role as leader of the opposition in highlighting the shortcomings of the incumbent government and given the fact that the opposition has a consistent eight point lead in the polls I think its safe to say taht most Aussies think he is doing very well in that role.

    In a fortnight, the GEF and MRRT come into being.

    The Carbon tax is going to be worse for Labor that Workchoices was for John Howard and while the people will certainly accept and spend the largess (who dislikes free money?) but it won’t win any votes back for Labor once the 0prices start to rise.

    The public will begin collecting the goodies that these actions involve. The mining super profits will be shared out among the community, as they should.

    maybe you are right about the moral virtues of the mining tax but this government will do what all Labor governments do with revenue, piss it up against the wall with pie in the sky schemes and mismanagement.

    Iain, could be correct, the public might despise this PM but she sure has been effective and productive.

    The PM does as she says, she delivers.

    You are kidding aren’t you?
    Look at the news and when we see one boat a day turning up I agree that she delivers, but what she delivers is disappointment and despair that we are so badly governed.

  35. It all boils down to one boat a day. Look around you, who cares.

    So this PM is too be judge on what you see as one failure, and all the good ignored.

    I do not see many demanding we go back to the horror and cruel days of Howard’s treatment of refugees.

    The court has declared on two or more occasions, what he did was illegal.

    The noise is only coming from Mr. Abbott and Mr. Morrison.

  36. CU

    It all boils down to one boat a day. Look around you, who cares.

    Well as I live outside the Latte belt I find that there are plenty of people who care that this government took a system that worked to deter people from taking to the boats and blithely changed it to pander to the open door far left with the expectation that there would be no consequences and boy were they wrong!

    So this PM is too be judge(d) on what you see as one failure, and all the good ignored.

    What good is there to ignore? come on you would be hard pressed to find much about the Gillard administration that is really good even by the most generous judgement of a Labor Tragic its been shambolic and frankly embarrassing.

    I do not see many demanding we go back to the horror and cruel days of Howard’s treatment of refugees.

    Some times you have to be tough and the fact that there were what just 6 boats in the last few years of the Howard government shows that having mandatory offshore detention, TPVs worked. so the quantum of “cruelty” was actaully far less under Howard. Now we have more than six boats a week under Gillard’s open door policy. While we are on this issue what do you think about the opposition’s position on claimants who turn up without any documents being deemed to be dodgy? Seems like a good idea to me after all how could they have got to third countries without their papers and who would believe that they all accidental lost them?

    The court has declared on two or more occasions, what he did was illegal.

    No that is not correct you draw a very broad brush from what were rather specific court rulings on some very limited legal points.

    The noise is only coming from Mr. Abbott and Mr. Morrison.

    Get out of the latte belt bubble and ask ordinary people in the burbs how they feel about the endless flotilla of boats and you won’t find that many are as sanguine about this as you are.

  37. Friggin’ Iain and his constant references to the latte belt as a derogatory. It’s an attempt to portray him as being in touch and everyone who is not of his circle and very narrow warped right wing view is out of touch.

    The fact is that he needs to keep referring to it this way to justify his distorted unreal world view and stance.

    Yes let’s asked the “ordinary” folks in the burbs, of which Iain is not one by the way so he hasn’t a clue on the “ordinary” folks, about the “endless” beatup on the boats, but let’s frame the questions in a more realistic way. Whenever that is done and the facts, the real facts, not Iain’s and the other RWDB’s warped and exaggerated ones, are presented there is a completely different response from the “ordinary” folks in the burbs.

    It is very telling that Iain and the right wing, especially with Abbott, can only get traction by lies, deceits, distortions and exaggerations all to scaremonger. The whole core of the conservatives is based on spreading fear and scaring people as much and as often as possible. They never offer hope or any positives, just fear.

    When the media also spread that fear, often using the same deceits and exaggerations, then it’s no wonder the “ordinary” folks in the burbs answer negatively to questions on refugees. Yet when given the positive side and show the history of these people, as SBS has done, then the answers from the “ordinary” burbians are the opposite.

    Take away the unfounded fear and hard core right wingers like Iain are impotent and flounder around trying to find something else to play boogeyman (sic) with,

    The most incongruous thing about the projection and scaremongering of the right is that when the same happens on their watch, and it will under Abbott, out comes every excuse and blame shift they can come up with, and guess what, all based on fear.

    You need look at the failing State Liberal government to see this in action. All bravado and scaremongering in opposition with the media daily feeding that to the public without question, yet when in government every promise they made to be better and positive falls apart and here they are lying and scaremongering as they always have.

    How the right want “ordinary” folks to view the world:

  38. Mobius, I hope that was ok..I fixed up the image for you. Unfortunately, and for some unknown reason WordPress only allows Admin and authors to post pics using their code.

  39. Mobius, if you (or anyone else for that matter) wants an image put up..just pop up the link to it and I’ll enter the code on your behalf.

  40. Iain and ask ordinary people in the burbs how they feel about the endless flotilla of boats

    Because I should imagine that some “ordinary people” have zero idea how few people come to our shores compared with other nations. These same people from the burbs would have zero idea of not only our international treaty obligations, but a minus-zero idea about the two High Court rulings.

    These same WASPs and predominantly males have an insular idea of Australia is mine, mine..all mine, and if you’re not white and not christian then f*ck off back to where you came from.

  41. Luckily, not everyone who has escaped the ‘Latte Belt’ are as inward as our friend ian

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/inverbrackie-detention-centre-a-38m-boost/story-e6frea6u-1226332114295

    It is interesting how, once left alone, without the busloads of a type of latte belter with a xenophobic chip on their shoulder bussed in to these ural communities, life can just get on. It is a shame this success wasn’t trumpetted as loudly as the initial redkneck busloads were trumptetted when this was first initiated. In fact, outside of local papers (yes, we only have ltdnews here) there is nothing.

    The UniSA study found that, while there were initial problems in the relationship between the local community, Immigration Department and centre operator Serco, the Inverbrackie centre had not caused the social friction foreshadowed by opponents.

    After the way this was reported in our failed msm, it is largely unsurprising that there were ‘initial problems’. Most of the intial time was spent attempting to correct the information the media had pumped out there.

    Anyway, time for a Latte on the Terrace 😉

  42. If Iain followed my comments, he well knows that my life has been far from the latte belt. If he wants to stop the boats, all he has to do is support the PM. The answer lays in a regional solution, with the Malaysian scheme as it’s center piece.

    Many do not like this solution, as they see it as putting the refugees at risk. As Iain is so supportive of the Howard solution, that was based on removing the refugees legal and human rights, he should have not problem accepting that in this case, the PM knows best.

    It is not our fault that Iain cannot accept any facts or reality that does not fit in with his belief.

    I spent my early years in the bush, as a daughter of a wheat and sheep cocky. I have lived on the Central Coast on a diary farm and have retire back to the region. I lived for many years in the western suburbs of Sydney. Reared four children in Guildford. The home of the middle east migration destination.

    During my working life, which began in factories and labouring jobs, finishing a a professional after attending uni at the age of forty.

    I have endured extreme domestic violence and seen my child abused as a result of this marriage.

    I spent my childhood knowing my mother could drop dead at anytime. She died when I was seventeen.

    I have had close involvement, which I would rather have missed with mental illness and alcoholism.

    Iain, how much more life experience do I need, to equal your life.

  43. Cu, and for myself I was physically abused as a child. I had caring loving father, but he chose to turn a blind eye to the bashings which came from my mother. At 6yrs old onwards I was digitally raped by an uncle. When he died when I was about 10yrs old, I thanked the angels.

    The bashings continued until I left home age 17yrs. I worked and studied firstly becoming a primary school teacher. It was suggested by one specialist that I am hearing impaired due to the bashings, although there is an hereditary component there also.

    My father was a factory hand and I was the first of my generation on both sides of the family to achieve a tertiary education.

    Cu, you are endowed with a resilience which only those of us who have endured similar can possibly appreciate.

  44. Could this be the real world.

    THE Inverbrackie immigration detention facility has pumped almost $40 million into the regional economy and provided hundreds of jobs, independent studies show.

    And it has done so without causing major social problems, the reports say.

    However, a rushed consultation process and short window to tender for capital works created community friction and limited the scope for local businesses to benefit from its construction.

    The Federal Government will today release the findings of two separate reviews it commissioned at the request of local residents.

    One is from the University of SA, which looked at the social implications of setting up the 350-bed low-security centre.

    The other, by Flinders University’s South Australian Centre for Economic Studies, measured the economics.

    The studies show that, since being announced in 2010 and opening later that year, the Inverbrackie Alternative Place of Detention has had a positive impact on the Adelaide Hills in economic terms, injecting $38 million into the economy.

    Should we have more detention centres here?
    Editorial: Learn from Inverbrackie Adelaide Now, 19 Apr 2012
    Child advocates critical of Inverbrackie Courier Mail, 15 Nov 2011
    Bowen tackled on asylum centre fears Foundation, 14 Oct 2011
    Inside the world of Inverbrackie Adelaide Now, 9 Jul 2011
    Inverbrackie numbers could be tripled Adelaide Now, 16 May 2011

    It has led to the creation of 463 full-time-equivalent jobs – an estimated

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/inverbrackie-detention-centre-a-38m-boost/story-e6frea6u-1226332114295

  45. Min, I am sad to hear that. The thought never enter my mind, It takes guts to announce such to the world.

    The Iain’s of this world have no idea of how many live their lives.

    We know this by the rubbish that comes out of their mouths.

    Min, I wonder if the Iain’s of the world believe this only happens to those who live in the gutter. If so, once again they are wrong. It can be found in all levels of society, in the homes of the rich and in the homes of the poor. It can be found in religious homes, and those of non believers.

    There is one truth, the offender will be that good uncle or friend that is so good with the kids, one you have come to rely on, and cannot do without.

    Min, I was hard on my daughter. She was behaving in a way I could not understand. As much as I tried to understand, I just did not know. She would place her self at risk by removing her self from the home at all times of the day or night. Not once did she say why or fight back.

    It was only when the truth came out, did I understand. I should have known and did not.

  46. Cu, and likewise for you. If you hadn’t told the world, then I doubt that I would have had the courage to do so. There is only one friend who knows a little about this, but even to him I’ve never told the entire story.

  47. Min, Cu, i, and many others i know, have been similarly affected – i don’t think it coincidental that the generations traumatised by ww2 experiences were the main perpetrators.

    ME, you’re so right about iain – just another (somewhat verbose) troll imho, that i first encountered on “The road to surfdom” one of tim dunlop’s early blogs.

  48. I love it when el gordo’s stream of bunkum is shot down, in this case it’s the frequent nonsense attacks against renewable energy.

    Renewable energy is viable and is good for this country especially since the Liberal State governments are breaking their promises on cheap electricity hand over foot and intend to up the price by several magnitude more by their policies.

    Why Australia must build its own solar future

  49. Yes they can el gordo, which is why California is building a base load solar energy plant in the desert.

    If you do just a cursory search you will find many studies showing renewable base load can achieved, but I don’t expect you to ever actually look at data or information that goes against your erroneous point of view.

    —————–
    Now that you posted the link to an extreme right wing source how about you tell us your take. It seems their bitch is not that the scheme is a failure only that some of the money is going to regimes they don’t like.

    The hypocrisy of that article is that many of these regimes were supported by the US for big business and arms sales, especially by previous Republicans.

    So supporting corrupt regimes, and indeed instilling corrupt regimes by removing legitimate ones, by the US is perfect OK, but hey, if it’s the UN and not the US doing it then it must be terrible and stopped at all costs.

    As I keep stating the hypocrisy of the right is breathtaking.

  50. Min, there is one sad fact that I must make you aware of. Other people, whether friends, family or enemies do not like hearing the truth.

    What is more terrible, they have problems seeing it as the truth.

    I believe that the truth has to be told, to protect today’s children..

    Abuse of children and domestic violence can only be dealt wityh, by having all out in the public domain.

    I was told, when working in welfare, that hearing my story meant my workmates seen me as a client.

    What rubbish. I used to wonder how they could dealt with the clients when they had this attitude. What they were really saying, they could not cope with reality.

    Yes, I was a victim. Playing the role of victim is not my intention. To keep the bad hidden, would have meant, I seen myself as a victim.

    I am not ashamed of the life I have led. I never ask for the bad to occur. It did, I have to accept that and get on with life. At the same time I will do all I can, to prevent the same thing happening to others.

    I will not stand by and allow the arrogant and ignorant get away with throwing insults, every time they lose an argument or when others disagree,

  51. Which is why Germany and China are now the world leaders in biofuels, specifically chlamydomonas reinhardtii. Mind you our Aussie crews at both UQ and UniSA are up there too.

  52. “el gordo, solar energy does and will carry the base load”

    Do yourself a favour and keep up with the latest technology. The means for doing so is not even expensive.

    el gordo, it is not even scientist saying so, it is proven technology.

  53. As I keep stating the hypocrisy of the right is breathtaking.

    I’ve been toying with the idea of a post on that for a few weeks now, however, I’m finding an information overload. Where the hell do I start?

  54. Pterosaur, I have a feeling that this sort of abuse has been around for a millenium or more. It’s all about power and control. It’s all about ego, that one who one considers an inferior in any way may be treated as just an object..and an object which has no feelings.

    Lots of things, just a child and child won’t be believed – (as per Migs great white god topic), just an Abo’ and won’t be believed, just a woman and won’t be believed. Plus the belief that a person can treat these “objects” however one wants to, because of the belief of Because I Can. I do it, Because I Can. Victims will understand this, how the perpetrator does it, just because they can.

  55. Min, with politics they way they are today, where is the beginning. I do not believe we start with Abbott, maybe back to the 70’s is needed. Maybe Menzies himself.

    The right, always in my humble opinion, use the weapons of fear, and divide and rule.

    We are always being told to be afraid. Afraid of the hordes of yellow people from the north. Afraid of the countries falling like dominoes to the communists.

    Afraid of the terrorists, that are coming to get us. Afraid of great big new taxes and debt.

    Afraid of crime, the bikies and all that are coming to get us.

    Afraid that out borders are at risk with a few boat people, who by the way since the Vietnam war have gone on to help build this wonderful country of ours.

    We are told that the only ones that can keep us safe, is those from the right.

    I suggest they are who we should fear most.

    Those who have no respect for our democracy and laws. Those whose answer to everything, is new laws that take more of our freedoms away.

    Those who tell us, it is dangerous to give the poor and invulnerable a fair go. It will only make them lazier.

    We should fear that the bulk of income in Australia and world wide, from the workers to the bosses. How can this benefit the majority.

    The campaign and the introduction of lower taxes for decades in the USA has not led to a strong economy. It had led to more being poor.

  56. ‘…but I don’t expect you to ever actually look at data or information that goes against your erroneous point of view.’

    The Gemasolar plant in Spain is apparently successful and the company is planning to export the technology to India.

  57. Then why the hell did you state that renewables can’t carry base load and then a few posts later mention a successful scheme that does that?

  58. Mo it seems like a good idea, but if it rains for three days they are stuffed. It cannot provide continuous baseload, yet the technology is promising.

  59. James Lovelock gives his support for nuclear power and comes out as a fracking luvver.

    ‘Lovelock does not miss a chance to criticise the green movement that has long paid heed to his views. “It’s just the way the humans are that if there’s a cause of some sort, a religion starts forming around it. It just so happens that the green religion is now taking over from the Christian religion. I don’t think people have noticed that, but it’s got all the sort of terms that religions use. The greens use guilt. You can’t win people round by saying they are guilty for putting CO2 in the air.”

    The Guardian

  60. Min, of course you’re right in what you say – i just think that damaged people seek the sort of “payoffs” you mention – my thoughts are not designed to excuse perpetrators, but are an attempt to understand why they act as they do.

  61. You really don’t understand this stuff do you el gordo?

    ——————-
    Ah the old Greens and AGW proponents as religion meme. Yawn, and he only need look at the opponents to see where the real religious analogy resides and indeed the real radical religion as well.

  62. Pterosaur, I have forgiven my uncle a very very long time ago, and my mother. It’s just a part of my story. My uncle knew right from wrong. I don’t know that trauma from war is an excuse to manhandle children. Children in our society are not to be told it’s ok to be a victim of sexual abuse whether it’s from a relative or from a member of the church, a teacher or any other adult. The perpetrators are not to be excused because they themselves had bad things happen to them. I am not one to see things in black and white, on the issue of child abuse I see things in black and white.

  63. pterosaur1, when you find the answer to that one let me know. It took me to uni, in my endeavor to find out.

    I do know that society condones the behaviour by keeping it behind closed doors.

    it has a lot to do with ones high sense of entitlements. Lots to do with the belief that woman and children were chattels.

    While society keeps it’s head in the sand, it will continue to happen.

    What is frightening, that it seems to run in families. Those abused, go on to be abusers.

  64. Cu, about a year ago when I was going through some very rough times you said to me: when someone with a high sense of entitlement marries someone with a high sense of responsibility. I’ve never forgotten and want to thank you.

  65. ‘You really don’t understand this stuff do you el gordo?’

    Exactly what ‘stuff’ are you referring to?

    ‘SUBSIDIES for rooftop solar panels will cost consumers about $2.3 billion over the next year as the combination of a federal government solar subsidy program and state government feed-in tariffs add about $140 a year to household power bills.

    ‘The figures emerged as the South Australian government’s electricity regulator yesterday announced an 18 per cent rise in electricity prices for the state’s households, with the cost of the state’s solar feed-in tariff scheme outstripping that of the carbon tax.

    ‘State and federal governments are facing calls for reform of the schemes as they are driving electricity prices higher, in addition to the increases associated with the carbon tax.’

    Sid Maher in the Oz

  66. Mo the carbon price has collapsed and CDMs have become a rort in some third world counties.

  67. El gordo,

    Do you ever get the feeling that you’re talking in a vacuum. Do you ever get the feeling that you’ve said the same thing 20 thousand times already.

  68. Costs are coming down.

    Everything collapsed in Europe.

    All new technology is expensive. Looked at the flat screen tellies.

    What is also true, that down the track, when renewal fuels take up the slack, it will be the cheapest.

    The change over is expensive, that is why we have put a charge on carbon emissions.

  69. I don’t mind speaking in a vauum at the cafe and if I repeat myself too often do let me know.

    Mo suggested I didn’t have a clue about the technology or the economics, but let me assure you the Denialati are up to speed as July 1 draws near.

    It stands to reason that every renewable power plant constructed will drive electricity costs higher, the same goes for the average rooftop solar panels.

    The bureaucrats and snake oil salesmen will tell you not to worry, prices will come down when more people come on board. Its a lie, prices cannot fall under renewables like this.

    At this time in history nuclear and coal remain the best sources of power generation because they supply humungous amounts of energy ‘on a constant and regular basis.’

  70. El gordo,

    A self created vacuum. You should try engaging with people sometimes, conversation is a learning experience. It’s just a suggestion.

  71. Möbius Ecko

    Friggin’ Iain and his constant references to the latte belt as a derogatory. It’s an attempt to portray him as being in touch and everyone who is not of his circle and very narrow warped right wing view is out of touch.

    I do have other terms like “silvertail socialists” if you prefer but talking about the “latte belt” or “Latte sippers” is not actaully meant to be a term of outright derision, rather it is a bit of gentle mockery on the inner city lefties who I acknowledge are mostly well intentioned if a little distanced from ordinary Aussies.

    The fact is that he needs to keep referring to it this way to justify his distorted unreal world view and stance.

    I am a 100% sure that my view of the world is both balanced and realistic.

    Yes let’s asked the “ordinary” folks in the burbs, of which Iain is not one by the way so he hasn’t a clue on the “ordinary” folks, about the “endless” beatup on the boats, but let’s frame the questions in a more realistic way. Whenever that is done and the facts, the real facts, not Iain’s and the other RWDB’s warped and exaggerated ones, are presented there is a completely different response from the “ordinary” folks in the burbs.

    What does that mean? frame your questions how ever you please but the ordinary people smell something dodgy about all of these people fronting up in boats all with a well rehearsed sob story seeking the largess of our government. We get that they come from dysfunctional countries but that is not grounds to accept them as migrants

    It is very telling that Iain and the right wing, especially with Abbott, can only get traction by lies, deceits, distortions and exaggerations all to scaremonger. The whole core of the conservatives is based on spreading fear and scaring people as much and as often as possible. They never offer hope or any positives, just fear.

    No its about not being deceived and its clear that the reason that none of these boat arrivals have any papers at all is because they know that by doing so they make it so much harder to verify their claims and they work on the expectation that if they drag out the checking process long enough that they will be accepted eventually. Its a calculated strategy that the colaition plan to address by making it clear that having no papers will count against any claim for asylum that they make.

    When the media also spread that fear, often using the same deceits and exaggerations, then it’s no wonder the “ordinary” folks in the burbs answer negatively to questions on refugees. Yet when given the positive side and show the history of these people, as SBS has done, then the answers from the “ordinary” burbians are the opposite.

    Why do you think its about fear? Mate that is a totally spurious claim, Its just a natural aversion to bullshit and lies which are the staples of illegal immigration. This is a country of migrants, heck I’m a migrant myself but for new arrivals to be truly accepted its best if they come by invitation rather than pouring in through open boarders.

    Take away the unfounded fear and hard core right wingers like Iain are impotent and flounder around trying to find something else to play boogeyman (sic) with,

    As I keep telling you its not about “fear” its about considering the desires of our own citizens ahead of non-citizens.

    The most incongruous thing about the projection and scaremongering of the right is that when the same happens on their watch, and it will under Abbott, out comes every excuse and blame shift they can come up with, and guess what, all based on fear.

    The regime under Howard slowed the boats to an insignificant trickle and a similar combination of off shore processing, TPVs and no permanency will work again. While it may take some time to deal with the problem created by Labor’s mismanagement eventually that will be done and we can truly relax and save the huge drain on our resources necessitated by Labor’s naive policy changes under Rudd that started this whole problem.

    You need look at the failing State Liberal government to see this in action. All bravado and scaremongering in opposition with the media daily feeding that to the public without question, yet when in government every promise they made to be better and positive falls apart and here they are lying and scaremongering as they always have.

    How the right want “ordinary” folks to view the world

    You don’t specify which government you are talking about but I guess that you are from Melbourne. Well I’m happy to admit that I don’t follow Victorian state politics that closely but if they found anything like the mess that Newman has to contend with up here I guess that its as bigger job to fix the Labor legacy there as it will be up here.

  72. ‘You should try engaging with people sometimes, conversation is a learning experience.’

    Okay, I’ll try.

  73. Oh, how upset those on the right get when one criticizes them.

    Mr. Howard knew the boats would resume coming. If not, why did he begin to spend millions of dollars on Christmas island.

    I will add NSW to the list that is fast becoming failed Coalition governments.

    As for your state, it tells us a lot when they hire a ex treasurer, that needed to change the audit methods to get the figures he was after.

    So much energy spent to defend oneself. Why.

  74. Iain, I do not know if you missed on that Four Corners Program where the papers came from that they get rid of quickly.

    They are provided by the people smugglers to get them to Malaysia. They are false and are taken off them when they arrive. Maybe to give the next plane load.

    I think I read once, that Muslims are allow to travel between Muslim countries without documentation. I could be wrong there, or maybe it has changed.

  75. Yes, it is about humans.

    Australia’s debate on asylum seekers has stalled because politicians are glossing over the human side of the equation, a leading refugee advocate says.

    ‘It certainly hasn’t improved,’ Refugee Council CEO Paul Power told AAP.

    ‘If you compare the political debate that we have in Australia to other countries in equivalent situations, it is pretty disappointing that the process of seeking protection from persecution is so politicised in Australia,’ he said.

    http://wap.news.bigpond.com/articles/National/2012/06/16/Call_for_compassion_heralds_Refugee_Week_761647.htmlhttp://wap.news.bigpond.com/articles/National/2012/06/16/Call_for_compassion_heralds_Refugee_Week_761647.html

    Some humour.
    [audio src="http://media23.podbean.com/pb/c4797198eb84a8cb699a1b853db75618/4fdc4165/blogs23/310537/uploads/Pure_Poison_podcast_20120616.mp3" /]

  76. CU
    “Those abused, go on to be abusers.”
    plenty of evidence, and succinctly expressing what i was trying to say, on one level,
    and recognising that this is not inevitably so.

    The recognition that abuses do propagate, suggests that an attempt to understand/remediate the process(es) involved is a prequisite to addressing these problems in any meaningful ways.

    Which is my (sole) contention wrt this issue

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