Monday in Canberra

Sue earlier wrote:

Miglo

We have been following the “slippery slipper” across a few stories . But it may end up with its own thread with the revelations today in the Age.

Just how many Liberals are involved will soon be left to the bookies, I guess.

Who knew what and when is like the classic defense “I smoked dope but never inhaled”

So getting to today’s story, we have Julie Bishop, Tony Abbott and Warren Entsch.

Tony Abbott must think the James Murdoch style of answer to probing questions is good.  As according to Warren Entsch, his message to Tony must have gone to the message bank, “cause he didn’t pick up”.

Then as a side dish to the main course we have good ol’ Barnaby Joyce with “he seems only slightly less dodgy than Slipper”.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/opposition-slipper-story-slips-20120506-1y72f.html#ixzz1u85eO4os

Due to not having a lot of spare time on my hands I wasn’t able to meet Sue’s request, however, in a moment of inspiration I thought I’d build this post around her comment and throw it open as a Monday in Canberra thread where we can discuss the news coming out of our capital.

Over to you.

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188 comments on “Monday in Canberra

  1. Sue, love your comment:

    Just how many Liberals are involved will soon be left to the bookies, I guess.

    It seems that these days that politics is not about what is best for the country, but all about the polls, and yes the bookies too.

  2. I said something similar on Twitter this morning…. everyday it seems another member of the Coalition becomes involved.
    Mal Brough must think we are all stupid, either that or he is… For him not to see a major conflict of interest is mind boggling.
    I would like to see someone ask the direct question of Abbott “Is the Liberal Party, or any member of it, in any way involved in paying for, or sourcing, or assisting with the legal services for Asby?”

  3. Wixxy, I think every member of the Opposition think we are stupid. The media think we are stupid too. The pity is that a lot of people are, or gullible.

    Maybe the media also think Abbott is stupid. That’s why they stay clear of asking him the tough questions.

  4. Methinks Barnaby is doing yet another of his little dances…but he’ll be there ironing Abbott’s suits in the end…you can count on that.

    N’

  5. Roswell, maybe not stupid..but confident that when they do stuff it up that they have a well oiled machine called the msm to cover for them.

  6. Nas’, I agree..Barnaby performs an equivalent to the Dance of the Butterflies sometimes, a couple of photo ops and then disappears to once again say nothing.

  7. Meanwhile…

    GARDEN Island will host the first grid-connected wave power project in the Southern Hemisphere, after the Federal Government announced a $9.9 million grant for the $31 million initiative on Tuesday.
    The project, pioneered by Carnegie Wave Energy Ltd, transforms energy created by ocean swells into electricity.

    It will produce up to two megawatts of electricity – enough to power up to 2000 homes.

    http://www.inmycommunity.com.au/news-and-views/local-news/Garden-Island-gets-hemispheres-first-grid-connected-wave-power-project/7621499/#.T6Nn5hvpigY.facebook

  8. A small point about the report…. no names were mentioned, and Craig Thomson has issued another statement today denying any wrongdoing.

    Ms O’Neill says the majority of contraventions relate to the former official but will not name the officials concerned for privacy reasons.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-07/fair-work-reveals-more-about-hsu-investigation/3995412

    Ms. O’Neill says she can’t name names in the FWA HSU Report because she has no protection from defamation charges….

    The only paper that’s named Thomson in the headline is The Age

    Fair Work moves on Thomson over ‘substantial misuse’ of HSU funds

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/fair-work–moves-on-thomson-over-substantial-misuse-of-hsu-funds-20120507-1y86c.html#ixzz1u9RrED00

  9. Pip,
    Thomson is an ongoing weeping wound for this govt…I’ve said it time and time again.

    One of the reasons I supported Rudd previously was him keeping unions at arm’s length…they can do a great job…have some great history…but corrupt officials damage their necessary cause.

    Gillard backed Thomson based on innocence until proven guilty…Abbott has done same for his lot.

    I don’t think Gillard should have to pay for the same kind of loyalty Howard showed Downer etc.

    N’

  10. From the link to The Age

    Mr Thomson continues to deny any wrongdoing and says that any proceedings brought against him as a result of the report’s findings will be “strenuously defended”.

    “I maintain my innocence and deny any wrongdoing,” he said in a statement this afternoon.

    The Member for Dobell said that the whole Fair Work investigation into the national office of the HSU had been “nothing short of a joke”.

    “It is unprecedented that an investigative body has such little confidence in its report that it seeks parliamentary privilege as a condition of the report’s release,” he said.

    Mr Thomson said that both the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions and the Police had “made it clear” that there was nothing of a criminal nature in the Fair Work report.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/fair-work–moves-on-thomson-over-substantial-misuse-of-hsu-funds-20120507-1y86c.html#ixzz1u9TYL03A

  11. Nas’, that’s a very good point about Howard and Downer, both of whom are still out and about making big fellas of themselves.

    They got off scott free, mainly due to the compliance of the msm.

  12. As the number of liberals involved in the slipper scandal increases, the lies they have used to condemn the Gillard government in the last few weeks become more and more atrocious. I recall a LNP member comparing Slipper’s place in the party as ‘rubbish’ that they had put out on the street for collection, only to have the ALP come, get it off the street and bring it into their home. The fact that leadership challenges have been suggested because of this issue shows how devastating dishonest politics can be.

  13. Pip, from your link to The Age. Parliamentary privilege, in that if FWA get it wrong that individuals cannot be sued. I think that could be the likely connotation in that one.

  14. Pip, the Thomson affair, even if he is eventually found to be guilty it pales into insignificance when you consider the AWB affair, undermining the UN efforts against Saddam Hussein.

  15. Bear’s comment that the Ruddster kept the unions ‘at arm’s length’ is probably correct, but with eight ministers not wanting him back we appear to have reached stagnation. The stench…

  16. I guess Tony Abbott will surface eventually, meanwhile, why aren’t the media smelling blood on the elusive Liberal? Are they out looking for him, asking questions? They should be. Hopefully they soon will be. And then what?

    We seek you here, we seek you there.
    We journos seek you everywhere.
    Are you crook, or just slightly unwell?
    Come out, Tony! Come on, tell!
    You said there’d be a Dissolution
    Now you could pass that resolution,
    Right at the start of Budget week
    Before Peter Slipper got the chance to speak.

    We seek you here, We seek you there!
    We journos hunt you everywhere!
    The word is out. We’ll soon get a bell,
    Then we’ll track you. We know your smell.
    Tony, call us! We need your story!
    Come on! Tell it! Make sure it’s gory!
    Answer our questions. Don’t cut us short.
    We don’t like it when you act spoil sport.

    They seek you here, they seek you there
    The lefties seek you everywhere!
    Till now you’ve caused them much frustration
    Now they demand your decapitation.
    Gillard can call for your execution.
    We heard you too cry, “Revolution!”
    Okay, stay lost. Your story‘s dead.
    Tomorrow’s headline will be, “Off with his head!”

  17. Yes, reb, but after all these years still nothing has been done about it. Downer’s “I know nothing” excuse put it quietly to bed.

  18. Yes Roswell, polus Howard’s terms of reference ensured that no govt minister could be found guilty of wrongdoing anyway…

    The point bI was simply trying to make, is that there’s little point/relevance in discussing things that happened a decade ago in the context of today’s HSU scandal…

    That’s why it’s called “current affairs…” 😉

  19. Reb, it’s an old wound I’d be happy to see opened up. It’ll never happen though. Maybe Prime Minister Abbott will order an enquiry. :mrgreen:

  20. “it’s an old wound I’d be happy to see opened up”

    True. But it’s all in the “anals” (sic) of political history now…

    Rudd had the opportunity to launch another enquiry when he took office in 2007, but he declined….

    “Honour amongst thieves” I suspect, or something like that…….. 😉

  21. reb @ 2.15pm, Nas’ mentioned this…

    I don’t think Gillard should have to pay for the same kind of loyalty Howard showed Downer etc.

    I posted an explanation for his comment. That is all.
    It wouldn’t matter if it happened a century ago, it is still a monumental scandal, and Howard, Downer and the AWB guys all got away with it in the end.

  22. Another thing seldom reported also is that Abbotts hands are all over the HSU saga also….
    Abbott is good buddies with Kathy Jacksons partner and they regularly socialise…. Jackson was quite keen to put the boot into Labor

  23. “It wouldn’t matter if it happened a century ago, it is still a monumental scandal, and Howard, Downer and the AWB guys all got away with it in the end.”

    And it’s relevant today because………………………….??

  24. Reb, it is relevant whenever people want to talk about it. Perhaps Miglo could move it over to the open thread.

  25. It’s relevant today because a good number of that particular government may indeed go on to form the next government.

  26. Whatever….

    The heading of the thread was “Monday in Canberra” so I inadvertently thought that this might be a thread that was about things that are happening in politics you know, like “today”.

    Maybe it should be amended to “Monday in Canberra Ten Years Ago” to avoid any confusion…

    That way I’ll know not to upset the trip down memory lane with any inconvenient discussion of “current affairs”….

    🙄

  27. patriciawa a joke by the PM

    “Over at the Red Cross morning tea, the Prime Minister has cracked a little joke.

    Ms Gillard is sharing the podium with Opposition leader Tony Abbott.

    Here’s the gag:

    I’m Red, he’s always Cross, so here we are together.

    It seems to have gone down well, there are hoots of laughter in the room.

    Mr Abbott doesn’t look that thrilled.

    Sorry, couldn’t help it, Ms Gillard added”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/blogs/the-pulse/politics-live-may-7-2012-20120507-1y7me.html#ixzz1uA2a2ZTg

  28. Thanks for the link to that video, Sue! I love the picture of the PM sitting alongside Abbott with her little girl ‘aren’t I naughty’ grin, Very natural and endearing.

  29. I the post above There is a video clip of the joke. Note that when Abbott arrived not only did he not greet Matilda House he ignored the PM. He apologised to Matilda House.

  30. Reb, point taken. As a reader it doesn’t bother me though. I doubt anyone is upset.

  31. Sue, Abbott has been educated by the best teachers, and is supposedly a pillar of the community, yet he remained on his bum with his feet on the table when both Windsor and Oakeshott met with him to discuss forming the minority government. Arrogance barely describes such rude behaviour.
    he couldn’t or wouldn’t even pretend to be a genuine human being.

    A real man would have stood up and shaken hands. he’s nothing but a goon.

  32. Here’s a couple of up to the minute posts.

    The first is a letter from the Treasurer, Wayne Swan.

    With the final touches being applied to tomorrow’s Budget, I wanted to send a short note letting you know what the Budget will mean for everyday Australians.

    The 2012-13 Budget will deliver a surplus on time, as promised.

    A surplus is important as it builds a buffer in times of global uncertainty and sends a very clear message about our strong economy.

    This Labor Budget is all about spreading the benefits of the boom to all corners of our country by delivering much-needed new financial relief to families and businesses under pressure.

    It will provide a fair go for everyday Australians, by delivering on important things like aged care reform and the first steps towards the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

    It’s about making sure all Australians share in the benefits of the mining boom and our strong economy.

    Wayne

    P.S. Don’t forget to follow @SwannyDPM on Twitter for updates and news in the lead up to tomorrow’s Budget.

  33. and the second post…

    Dept of Climate Change rebuts Plimer’s book for sceptic kids
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/05/07/dept-of-climate-change-rebuts-plimers-book-for-sceptic-kids/

    The Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency have confirmed that the decision to commission and publish a document called Accurate Answers to Professor Plimer’s 101 Climate Change Science Questions was made in reaction to outrage from teachers and scientists about Ian Plimer’s climate sceptic book aimed at children.

    As Matthew Knott reported in The Power Index and Crikey back in April, a number of teachers and climate scientists were concerned that conservative think-tank The Institute of Public Affairs had paid for hundreds of copies of Plimer’s How to get expelled from school: a guide to climate change for pupils, parents and punters to be sent to schools across the country.

  34. Maybe we should be asking, who did not know.

    It appears that the underlings ensured that the leader did not know.

    Funny, we did not see much of him last weekend.

    What would be nice to know, who knew what the specifics were.

    What bad memory, especially short term. Goes back to many Liberal PMs’.

    I can only assure, it is considered necessary for the selection.

  35. I repeat:

    I don’t think Gillard should have to pay for the same kind of loyalty Howard showed Downer etc.

    Double standards by the public and many in the media.

    I don’t recall Howard being told by much of the media and the bulk of the public to stand aside because the public perceived his judgement to be off by sticking by his ministers under investigation or being scrutinised for immoral behaviour.

    Another blogger wrote: Whatever….
    The heading of the thread was “Monday in Canberra” so I inadvertently thought that this might be a thread that was about things that are happening in politics you know, like “today”.

    Since when did this other blogger start dictating again as to what happens on Cafe threads?

    N’

  36. There were comments today that journalists couln’t find Abbott for comments.

    Maybe he had some “specific” issues to deal with.

  37. You’ll never guess who wrote this article for the smellygraph…..sorry I don’t post links to this pernickety fella…

    Murdoch fit to run a paper
    by…..

  38. Nasking

    “Since when did this other blogger start dictating again as to what happens on Cafe threads?”

    EXACTLY

  39. Nas, you can talk about anything political you want. Go for it. That’s what the thread was designed for but I admit I didn’t make that clear.

    The AWB issue was a disgrace and it’s good to draw comparisons with it. Members of the Opposition need reminding.

  40. Sue he “specifically” sent his phone calls to message bank… that’s a first!
    I suppose he didn’t wan’t more laughter for another 47 second nod…..

  41. Reb,

    Can’t you understand how the past influences the future. For you right whingers Scores was a huge issue, but not the AWB scandal. 🙄

    If you’re not satisfied with the content, why don’t you try introducing some relevant talking points.

  42. “A real man would have stood up and shaken hands. he’s nothing but a goon.”

    Pip, he was showing them who is boss. This man proudly says he does not make deals. When you do not have the numbers to go on your own. it is right that one deals with other MP’s that have a similar mandate. That is to act on behalf of those who elect you.

    Mr. Abbott and his ilk do not believe that one has legitimacy unless you are in the majority. What he ignores, is that he just does not have the numbers.

    Parties are not elected under our system.

    PM’s and parties are not mentioned in the Constitution.

    If one does not believe that is the way it should work, change the Constitution. Until then the Constitution reigns supreme.

  43. Migs, as Min pointed out @ 3.53pm,

    It’s relevant today because a good number of that particular government may indeed go on to form the next government.

  44. Cu, as per usual, you’ve nailed it in one little sentence.

    Pip, he was showing them who is boss. This man proudly says he does not make deals.

    Not in public anyway Cu…..

  45. Miglo,

    I agree with Nasking. There can be people here who I disagree with, Iain Hall, Chris and el gordo for example, but none of them try to stiffle debate by making demands.

  46. AWB bordered on treason. I do not care if they knew or not. I do not care if they cannot remember.

    This is a country we went to two wars with. This is a country we had trade barriers on.

    The children over board is a similar scandal that was never dealt with.

    Locking an Indian doctor up is another.

    We do not know to this day, how many were sent to Pakistan and Afghan that meant certain death.

    The list just goes on and on and on.

  47. “It’s relevant today because a good number of that particular government may indeed go on to form the next government.”

    Not maybe, Mr. Abbott boast that they will.

    How many from Howard’s front bench is in Abbott’s shadow ministry.

    The reason we have the Slipper episode, is because Mr. Howard, and I assume Mr. Abbott were desperate to find a set for Mr. Brough, another minister from that era.

    It says something, that Mr. Brough is not welcome in any seat, including Slipper’s.

    The stink I am getting, is of Mr. Abbott shoring up support for himself.

  48. Migs,
    cheers.

    An examination of history helps put current issues into perspective.

    For instance,
    how many times have unions all been tarred with the same brush due to the corruption of a few individuals?

    Pattern of aggressive, biased behaviour on the part of some union-hating propaganda machines methinks.

    How often did PM John Howard stumble and make bad judgement calls? Or Hawke for that matter? How long did they serve for? Were they severely punished for their loyalty to ministers?…and/or presuming them innocent until proved guilty?

    Did the media clamour for the blood of Howard when it was discovered that the idiots Bush and co. he’d been loyal to had got the weapons of mass destruction bit wrong…and made one of the worst strategic eras in US history…profiting a few chosen corporates at the expense of taxpayers’ valuable moolah?

    I don’t recall Howard being strung up by his own party in 2004, 2005, 2006.

    A lady pragmatically tries to be loyal, presume innocence, keep her govt passing many useful bills…tries to do something about diversifying energy production and use…

    and the pitchforks and torches are out…

    Baahhh…let’s kick to death, drown, burn…the witch.

    A sane, rational country eh?

    N’

  49. Sue, when I read that, all I could see, was cry baby.

    There has only been one reason Mr. Abbott has not fallen in a heap.

    There has been no pressure put on him.

  50. “I’m Red, he’s always Cross, so here we are together.”

    Most amusing and at last a bit of honesty from the PM.

  51. ‘…yet he remained on his bum with his feet on the table when both Windsor and Oakeshott met with him to discuss forming the minority government. Arrogance barely describes such rude behaviour.’

    This is how country people greet each other, tabit was just pretending to be laconic and relaxed…which he’s not.

  52. Nas’ and Baahhh…let’s kick to death, drown, burn…the witch.

    A sane, rational country eh?

    Hence the reasons for the screams, Gillard is doing too good a job and Abbott is getting desperate. Abbott believes religiously that he is pre-ordained for greatness, and as he sees the opportunities dwindle becomes ever more desperate and resorts to scandal.

    Scandal the logic of fools.

  53. Abbott is the egotist supreme, who believes that he should be admired for dressing in lycra, who believes that girls should remain virgins, who finds Muslim women confronting, who believes that gay relationships are unnatural and a sin.

  54. Min,
    I sometimes try to imagine what an Abbott cum Santamaria govt promoted by Murdoch’s empire neo-con Libs & shock jocks would be like…

    change country to Australia, flag for ours, party from Republican to Coalition/LNP…9/11 for Bali & 9/11…Fortune 500 for our market…including certain miners:

  55. On the subject of Ashby..

    Speaker Peter Slipper’s harassment accuser and political player James Ashby has been accused by those familiar with his exploits on Queensland’s Sunshine Coast of socially introducing young gay men to the acquaintance of a close millionaire friend without disclosing the friend is HIV positive.

    http://www.vexnews.com/2012/05/life-of-the-party-james-ashby-accused-of-procuring-unwitting-young-men-for-hiv-positive-millionaire-mate-for-pleasure-palace-partying/

  56. In feels much colder than 11 degrees. Sitting in a warm office unprepared me for the minor cold snap.

    Thank god for global warming, hey el gordo.

  57. el grodo,
    This is how country people greet each other, tabit was just pretending to be laconic and relaxed…which he’s not.

    Not any of the country people I know, especially when they are talking business!

    They all behave like grown-ups…

  58. Pip, you’re right there. I can’t say that I’ve had any meetings with people in recent times when they’ve had their boots on the table. Most people I know stand up and shake hands as a greeting…

  59. All of my uncles and aunts on both sides of the family are from the country, and I’ve NEVER seen them greet anyone in this manner. As Pip & Min point out, it’s always stand-up for a firm, friendly handshake.

  60. Pip, I am one also with a bush background, never came across that behavior. The my father was only a wheat and sheep cocky, ;later on a dairy farmer.

    When he sold out in the sixty’s, it was to a small factory owner from Sydney.

    Dad’s old neighbors where highly amused at the newcomers behavior. The big hats, boots but thankfully no gun.

    I do believe the locals had fun for a long time. I am not ti sure, that they ever caught on that they were being ridiculed.

  61. History of the Howard government is important. The school bonus, is another Howard initiative that was open ended. Labor has bought another bad policy into line.

    So often the political debate appears to assume we all suffer from short term memory loss.
    The Coalition claims the education tax rebate is just a panicked Labor Party ”giving out handfuls of taxpayer’s money is a desperate bid to improve their electoral stocks.” Which it is.
    The Coalition would know because when the Rudd Opposition announced the original rebate in the 2007 election campaign, a panicked Howard Government trying to improve its electoral stocks promised to almost treble it.
    Advertisement: Story continues below
    Labor’s original rebate was supposed to cost $2.4 billion over four years, John Howard’s rebate – not means tested and extended to include school fees and a bunch of other stuff – was going to cost $6.3 billion.
    In the 2010 campaign, Labor’s rebate had become law. Tony Abbott accepted the means-testing, but again promised to increase the payment, from $390 to $500 for primary school students and from $780 to $1000 for high school students, and to widen what it could be claimed for – to school fees, camps, tutors, sporting equipment, drama classes and more.

    and

    The truth is there has been long term bipartisan support for electorally popular sugar hits for families. The Coalition likens this one to Labor’s ”cash splash” stimulus payments. It could as easily be compared with the Howard Government’s $500 annual ”utility allowances” which pitched for the seniors’ vote.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-coalition-and-labor-both-tax-our-memory-bank-20120507-1y83e.html#ixzz1uAhsVGbj

  62. My wife’s family are rural types…if it’s a formal setting they stand up to greet, unless ill or disabled.

    Perhaps Abbott is ill?

    …ill-tempered.

    N’

  63. LOL CU – reminds me of when my grandfather sold his dairy farm & retired to the city. The birds were getting at his fruit trees, so he’s loaded up his gun & given them a bit of a scare. A visit from the constabulary followed after reports by neighbours, but he had already put the gun away and pleaded ignorance – “no sir, ’twasn’t me” 😆

  64. Bacchus, we ended up in Wentworthville, Sydney when my father was nearly sixty. He finished his working life working on the Holroyd Council.

    Whole and behold, he was visited by the police. Police who’s job was cattle and horse stealing.

    My young brother who was a bit of a tear away and his mates had removed a horse from a paddock, in Prospect for their own use.

    I can safely say he was not amused. He was a man that was too honest for his own good. Paid a tax bill against the lawyers and accountants advice. it was his honesty, that he had the bill in the first place.

    It left us broke.

  65. My mum’s side of the family are from the Tungamah through to Berrigan area. Talk of the country reminds me of running away from turkeys of the gobble, gobble variety, and hand feeding poddy calves.

  66. Come to think of it, if there were any visitors, the teapot would be on the table in the blink of an eye.

    It would be the visitors that were offered seats, while my grandfather brewed the tea,

  67. At my grandmother Jenkins house in Kew, visitors would be ushered into the front sitting room to be served tea and scones neatly placed on doilies.

    Visitors who were family would sit in the kitchen around the black stove where it was warm and it would be tea and biscuits.

    Grandmother Jenkins died a week short of her 103rd birthday, never used a telephone, had a small television and always cooked on the huge black stove. Above the stove hung the big black kettle and the pots. She chopped her own firewood until she was well into her 90’s.

  68. Say I was working for a CEO of hypothetical corporation Bapple…and I was being sexually harassed…

    would I go to my bosses’ competitor, CEO of Microhard for advice and to confide?

    Hmmm…

    N’

  69. Nas, and the details of the sexual harassment issue are becoming somewhat blurred. Clearly if it was about Slipper asking that the shower door be left open, then this did not occur in the workplace. If it was xxx on the bottom emails, it could be construed as intimidating, but then Ashby would have to prove that Slipper’s advances were unwelcome..and clearly if Ashby was showering at Slipper’s house, this might be difficult.

  70. Yes CU, some of my earliest memories relate to that dairy farm in the South Burnett Region. We lived in a small town in the region and I was sent to stay with my grandparents when my sister was born. I vaguely remember driving around on the tractor with my grandfather, and my uncle’s strange guitar he’d made himself out of steel 😯

    I also remember that uncle visiting in his flash Simca Vedette, and killing a red-bellied black snake that had just come out of the wood pile with a garden fork just as it was about to bite his toe.

    There was also a visit from Mum’s uncle (who ran the Post Office up near grandparents’ farm) who got a shotgun out of the boot of his car to shoot a magpie which had been swooping me in previous days.

    We moved to the city a few years after my grandparents had been down here, but all the other families stayed in country areas from the South Burnett region, Bundaberg & Toowoomba areas.

    Good memories 🙂

  71. Interesting is that Brough is now being made out to be the culprit when Ashby’s main contact has been Pyne..clearly, it’s so as to take the heat off Pyne.

  72. I’m not one who is into conspiracy theories but this Ashby thing has a rather strong smell to it.

    When Pyne was asked if he had requested Ashby’s contact details he could have just said ‘let me check my outbox’. but he didn’t…he tried to weasel his way out of it.

    When Brough was questioned it was first denial and then a firm retreat of that stance (notably to the Oz). He didn’t only meet him once but….

    Then we have Hockey on ABC saying that it should be left to the court system After all the flak the Opposition had hurled at he issue in the previous weeks.

    And of course there is the ‘specific’ term from Abbott and others.

    I really don’t think this will go to court. Ashby, I suspect, will withdraw the charges (harassment at least). No doubt the criminal charges will be persued.

    Abbott could lose on this one.

  73. handyrab, Brough was also sent 10 messages by Jessica Wright [Fairfax] asking for comment and he didn’t reply, but went scurrying off to uncle Rupe’s friendly staff to set his stories straight.
    It does look like they’re prepared to let him shoulder some flak to cover for Prissy Pyne but he will still get preselected for Slipper’s seat of Fisher when the shouting is over.

  74. Coalition anger over Mal Brough’s role in the Peter Slipper claims
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/coalition-anger-over-mal-broughs-role-in-the-peter-slipper-claims/story-fndckad0-1226348902072

    Several other LNP members, who asked not to be named, said Mr Brough should not have involved himself in the matter.

    “This is all about Mal Brough. He’s running for preselection and he is trying present himself as the hero guy who advised Ashby,” one MP said.

    “It (his preselection) bloody well should be under threat but I wouldn’t think it will be.”

    Another MP said the former Howard government minister “should never have got involved” but that his preselection would likely not suffer as a result.

    “I don’t know, that’s a question for his preselectors, but I think he’s ok,” the MP said.

  75. ‘Thank god for global warming…’

    Too bad its all over, it was great while it lasted.

    If a Maunder breaks out I may go and live in Darwin.

  76. Min @ 5.52

    EEEEKKKKKKK no wonder Abbott could not be found today and when found was scowling

  77. Min @ 7.35pm, I’ve just realised you’d already made the point that the Brough chastising is to cover and divert from Pyne’s part in the Ashby “recruitment”.
    I’m assuming that “recruitment” is a strong possibility given past form by the Liberals.

  78. Sue, I had a peek at that as well.. 😮
    not known as the most reputable site, but then what to compare it with….
    In any case they’ve been right about other stories in the past..

  79. Now Abbott is demanding that the PM “disown” Craig Thomson’s vote

    THE Coalition has urged Julia Gillard to disown the vote of former Labor MP Craig Thomson or risk bringing its legislative agenda into “national disgrace” following a damning report by Fair Work Australia into the Health Services Union.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/pm-must-disown-craig-thomsons-vote-says-tony-abbott/story-fn59niix-1226349247893

    EricA has gone further..

    Coalition workplace relations spokesman Eric Abetz says the government must cut all ties with Mr Thomson.

    “This Fair Work Australia report is absolutely damning and on the basis of this report Ms Gillard, surely, can no longer accept Craig Thomson’s vote on the floor of the parliament,” he told ABC television.

    Mr Abetz said the allegations relating to the funding of Mr Thomson’s election campaign deserved further scrutiny.

    “We believe that the Australian Electoral Commission will need to reconsider the Dobell campaign on the basis of this report,” Mr Abetz said.

    Mr Thomson maintains his innocence.

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/pm-must-disown-thomsons-vote-opposition-20120507-1y8d7.html

    Is anyone else suspicious about the timing of the release of the FWA report
    on the eve of the Budget??

  80. Gosh Min, there will be a lot more coming out about the “victim”.Vexnews doesn’t seem at all worried about threats to sue.
    No wonder Hockey wants everyone to stop talking about the “issue” and let the courts decide.
    I wonder what Slipper will say tomorrow and I wonder if the Coalition will dare to challenge the Speaker.

    Which reminds me earlier today the tweeters were saying that according to the deputy speaker, Anna Bourke ,,,”she would remain deputy speaker”
    didn’t sound as though peter slipper was going any where, as in vacating the position of speaker

  81. Pip

    I can hardly wait for the time when the Speaker Slipper gets to toss the tosser Abbott out of the House.

  82. ‘Heartland Institute has disgraced itself somewhat.’

    Some ratbag has disgraced himself, the Denialati have no links to Heartland.

  83. Yes. eg. They do. Heartland’s prints are all over the denial campaigns which promote the denialist theories that you believe in.

    Some noted denialist bloggers in this country even receive funding from Heartland.

  84. Tim Blair on James Delingpole in the Australian Spectator.

    ‘The debate was never about “the science” in the first place,’ he writes, which explains why non-scientists like Al Gore and scientists working outside of their specialist area like Tim Flannery came to be so prominent. Understanding that politics drives ‘the science’ of global warming rather than the other way around is key to grasping why, in Delingpole’s words, this subject grew from ‘a minor cult followed by a few tousled eccentrics’ in the 1970s to ‘the world’s most powerful religion’ today.’

  85. I would like to see someone ask the direct question of Abbott “Is the Liberal Party, or any member of it, in any way involved in paying for, or sourcing, or assisting with the legal services for Asby?”

    Specific or non-specific involvement, wixxy? :mrgreen:

    And let’s not forget Phone Card, Nas’ & Pip @1.46pm.

    Won’t find any dirt there wixxy.

    grodo, the eternal optimist. Jackson’s living room rug is a metre off the floor, she’s swept so much dirt under it.

    reb @3.29pm, it’s still relevant wrt the hypocrisy of the Liars Party’s confected outrage over Thomson’s rumoured misuse of funds.

    Nas’ @4.41pm, yet another example of Liars Party hypocrisy in action. Odd isn’t it that the msm has failed to notice both their own hypocrisy and double standards and that of the opposition?

    Maybe he had some “specific” issues to deal with.

    Specifically to get his specific lack of knowledge programmed into his head by Peta, Sue. 😯

    Pip @4.15pm, the truth is that Liealot just hasn’t got any manners.

    And @4.51pm, wouldn’t be a champion of free speech, by any chance?

    CU @5.05pm, and Cornelia Rau, Vivien Solon, the Baktiari family and God knows who else.

    Min @5.41pm, Liealot’s destined for greatness alright; hopefully a great fall and all the Emperor’s horses and all the emperor’s men………couldn’t find the sticky tape!

    And @5.52pm, yes so young *tosses hair* and naive.

    Pip @6.09pm, no country people I know are as rude, lacking in manners and arrogant as Liealot.

    Coalition anger over Mal Brough’s role in the Peter Slipper claims

    Coalition anger that he got sprung, Pip. Ditto Prissy.

  86. Bugger! I couldn’t read any of the vexnews link, Sue and I’m dying to know if it’s a pipe bomb!!!

  87. El gordo, please tell me how you fixed it.

    Don’t tell us Mal Brough and Prissy have been visiting you, grodo? Anything specific to impart?

    If the Deviant Duo did call on you, I hope you had the decency to take your feet off the coffee table.

    Speaking of which, we didn’t even have a coffee table or coffee for that matter. 😯

  88. Jane, if you ask Migs very nicely he might give you my email and I’ll fill in all the salacious details on Vex News… 😯

  89. Jane

    and the msm will be like the japanese govt and sit on it and pray it doesn’t blow up, and destroy all those that rushed in, defending the “plant” designers

  90. As Tuesday follows Monday, so does the outing /the involvement of another Liberal in who knew what on Ashby. And like all before him, Pyne,Brough, Abbott now we have Hockey changing the elements of his first statements on the matter.

    “The shadow treasurer, Joe Hockey, had coffee with Mr Brough and the LNP benefactor Clive Palmer on the Sunshine Coast at Easter.

    Mr Hockey said Mr Brough talked about Mr Slipper but never mentioned Mr Ashby nor any of the claims he was making against Mr Slipper.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/joyce-takes-brough-to-task-over-meeting-with-slippers-accuser-20120507-1y95o.html#ixzz1uDkmY1VR

  91. Sue, I finally got the link to work. Probably sabotaged by some bloody Crows supporter. *sends black look in Pip’s direction.* 😡

    Interestinger and interestinger!

    Will Liealot’s “Look over there at Craig Thomson!” ploy work, I wonder?

  92. The Age leads with: Surplus released… but Thomson takes headlines.

    Now I wonder whose choice is that..the media’s of course. Surplus? Who cares about that, now that it seems that Swan is about to deliver one…

  93. No surprises here..Thomson is in deep poo. This is on the surface of it of course as reported in the media, but the fact that Shorten is making a stand means that Thomson is a goner (just my opinion). Of course, do date it is just an allegation and must be tested at law.

    It alleges suspended Labor MP Craig Thomson spent almost $6,000 of union members’ funds on escort services, nearly $200,000 employing staff to work on his campaign to become a federal MP, and $71,000 directly on the campaign.

    The report’s investigator said he considered Mr Thomson provided false or misleading information. Fair Work plans to take civil action against Mr Thomson in the Federal Court.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-08/shorten-vows-action-after-disturbing-hsu-report/3996666

  94. AntonyG:

    “Can’t you understand how the past influences the future. For you right whingers Scores was a huge issue, but not the AWB scandal. “

    Me, a “right whinger…?” Clearly you don’t me at all…

    “If you’re not satisfied with the content, why don’t you try introducing some relevant talking points.”

    That AWB thing was really terrible eh…

  95. If Thomson is guilty beyond doubt then he gets no sympathy from me. However, I have avoided speculation. I’m more interested in the outcome.

  96. Min,

    I still don’t think that Abbott will get his wish and be able to bring down the government because of Thomson.

  97. Roswell,

    The msm is based on speculation and innuendo. I’m with you on this one, if Thomson is found guilty then let justice be served.

  98. “No surprises here..Thomson is in deep poo. This is on the surface of it of course as reported in the media, but the fact that Shorten is making a stand means that Thomson is a goner (just my opinion).”

    I agree. It was kind of foolish for Gillard to give Thomson her unbridled support when the allegations first aired. In much the same way as she claimed that Julain Assange had “acted illegally” when he hasn’t been found guilty of anything illegal.

    I think a large part of the problem is that whenever a (potential) scandal emerges, politicians feel that there is some sort of publicity opportunity to be gained by taking a public stance on a particular issue when only scant details are known…

    The sensible approach would be to remain silent, however that allows the Opposition to gain the upperhand in the media circle….

    So the Govt (and Gillard) are kind of damned if they do comment, and damned if they don’t.

    Unfortunately Gillard has demonstrated fairly poor judgement in backing people that in hindsight she shouldn’t have (Slipper, Thomson) and condemned people that she probably shouldn’t have (Assange)…….

  99. “If Thomson is guilty beyond doubt then he gets no sympathy from me. However, I have avoided speculation. I’m more interested in the outcome.”

    True.. That’s the sensible approach, however a public lynching is much more fun… 🙂

  100. Reb, even I thought you were a right winger. Not in a big way though. The AWB fiasco was indeed terrible but equally as terrible was the way it was swept under the carpet. I’m glad that the Thomson issue hasn’t been.

    Does this tell us something about the way the major parties operate? Or does us tell us that media only demand disclosure from the ALP?

  101. “Ahh the aroma of freshly burnt troll in the morning.”

    *Groan* Is that all you’ve got, name-calling?

  102. The new website sucks. It’s not as iPhone friendly as the old one. Can I lodge an appeal?

  103. “Does this tell us something about the way the major parties operate? Or does us tell us that media only demand disclosure from the ALP?”

    Oh, I think the Liberals are far more clever at staging mock enquiries (the Cole enquiry with its narrow terms of reference and condition that no govt minister could be implicated is just one example), as well as their half truths, un-truths, blatant lies and scaremongering…

    Children overboard, fridge magnets, boat people, no apology to indigenous Australians… Howard was the most repulsive PM I think I’ve ever encountered, although New Zealand’s “piggy” Muldoon would be a close contender.

    Howard had ten years in office to learn how to mislead and deceive the public, Gillard’s only had a year or so, so she has quite learned the mastery of the “art” quite to the lowly standard of the lying rodent…

  104. Julia’s pre emptive strike against Assange is a good comparison…I might tip the Bolter.

  105. Min, you should try it on your iPhone if you have one. Perhaps we could lodge a joint appeal now that mine has been rejected.

  106. Tony Abbott this morning:

    Even this surplus is like a culinary delight…and being that my last budget reply was based on rubbery & artificial figures…I’m going to project that onto the Treasurer’s surplus…and keep boringly saying my negative label for the week to see if it sticks…artificial, artificial, artificial, artificial, artificial, artificial, artificial, artificial, artificial, artificial, artificial me…I mean them…the surplus…not me…definitely not me…I’m not artificial am I Joe?…Joe?…JOE?…artificial, artificial, artificial, artificial…

    ——-
    Example of an artificial sweetener:

    Anything offered up by Tony Abbott that his Lib and Nat colleagues won’t go for…and the country cannot afford:

    http://www.smh.com.au/…/…ave-plan-20120306-1uifh.html

    and:

    http://www.smh.com.au/…/…al-leave-20120305-1uefc.html

    and:

    http://www.chrisbowen.net/…/blogs.do?newsId=5709

    N’

  107. Courtesy of Sky News (partially controlled by Rupert’s Sinistry of Propaganda and Public Dumbing Down) Tony Abbott’s latest words of pissdom:

    As long as the government does what John Howard and I have done in the past by accepting a democratically-elected member of the parliament’s vote this is a tainted love affair with Coalition style politics…and we can’t have that kind of tainted love reminding the Australian public yet again how truly tainted Coalition politics has been since the AWB scandal, Tampa affair, children overboard lies, Iraq War bum slumming with Bush based on sexed-up evidence, the Gretched Affair, accepting Peter Slipper’s vote to win the leadership then knifing him…tainted, tainted, tainted, tainted, tainted tainted me…NO NO NO NO
    them…not me…them…we’re not tainted..are we Malcolm?…Malcolm?…MALCOLM?…tainted, tainted, tainted…

    N’

  108. Nas’, is this what Abbott said..”a tainted love affair”? If so, then it’s another example of Abbott-style morality revealing itself in the rhetoric.

  109. From my iPhone I write: Tony Abbott has said that tonight’s budget will just be an example of Labour cooking the books. Oh dear. Doesn’t he know what Joe Hockey favours?

  110. Min, there ate no problems with writing comments in this new design. The problem is in the reading.

    Am I a lone voice in the wilderness?

  111. Let me guess, around about now the right whingers will be complaining about Gillard’s poor judgement in the appointment of Slipper. Let’s disregard the fact that he is a Liberal. Let’s forget the fact that Gillard outfoxed Mr Lycra Man and the girl will do it again.

    Mr Lycra Man doesn’t like losing to a woman. I personally don’t have issues with this, in fact I quite enjoy it the rare occasions that it’s happened. 😉

  112. AntonyG, in regards to your first sentence I think you’re a bit late with that call.

    I’m convinced.

  113. Antony re QT,, nothing new to see there, move on… 😆

    Slagabella just interjected and Albo suggested she be quiet which was sound advice given her current affairs re probate of the estate of a demented old man…

    Albo hasn’t been down that road but he could….

  114. I remain unconvinced about my convincibility and I’m not even convinced about that either.

  115. Pip

    Albo suggested to Slagabella to watch out, “we haven’t had a go at you” ……..yet

    I am glad that Albo pointed out that Mary jo Fisher was found GUILTY.
    He also pointed out to Abbott that he lied to the House when he said Senator MJFisher did not vote while charged and before the courts, when in fact she had voted 95 times.

  116. Sorry folks missed it, I was too busy sitting out back under the coolabah tree smoking my second joint for the day.

  117. Pip, but a Liberal scandal is but a Clayton’s scandal..the scandal that you have when you’re not having a scandal.

  118. One of my favourite bits from Albo’s reply on the Speaker debate, which went something like this

    “I look forward to when C Pyne is called to court to tell all about his contact with Ashby before documents were lodged.”

    Aren’t we all!!!.

    Next favourite, he Albo had never asked for the personal phone number of someone’s staffer.

    Oh, the interpretations you could put on that, and its all in Hansard

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