Pedlars of Fear

Tony Abbott’s ‘mandate’ to scare every Australian half to death about the consequences of the ‘carbon tax’, whilst annoyingly desperate and overly passionate, is not unusual behaviour from a Coalition leader.  I have witnessed this code of conduct from Liberal leaders with monotonous regularity over the last couple of decades.

They have generally been powerful enough to win elections for them.

Malcolm Fraser provides an exception.  During the election campaign in 1983 he stridently attacked Labor’s financial integrity suggesting that the banking system would be ruined if the Commie Labor Party was elected and thus peoples’ money would be safer kept under the bed than in a bank.  There was no substance in this claim.  It was a failed attempt to scare the electorate.  In 1983 the electorate wasn’t as ignorant as they would later turn out to be.

Future attempts have been more successful as the average IQ of the electorate plummeted.

Opinion polls in 2001 showed that the Howard Government was facing massive defeat.  The terrorist attacks of September 2001 changed all that, but not enough to Howard’s satisfaction.  He was able to terrorise the gullible electorate into believing that terrorists were hopping onto any rickety old boat heading to Australia and only he could protect us from the murderous intentions of these alleged evildoers.  Abdullah the Butcher and his mates were coming to sacrifice us all.  Oh how different it might have been if an election wasn’t around the corner.  From 1996 to that point of time 221 boatloads of refugees sailed unhindered into Australian waters.  Number 222 – just after the September 2011 attacks -  ran into a bit of trouble and running to its aid was the Norwegian vessel the Tampa.

I’m sure that most readers here will have fresh in their mind the stench surrounding the politicisation of the Tampa incident and how it was the turning point for Howard’s fortunes so I won’t recap it here. Dissecting individual incidents is not the intention of the post but will be welcomed in reader’s comments.

Howard didn’t need any more scare campaigns until 2004, and incidentally, during his calling of an election.  Electing a Labor Government, he warned, would cost you the family home.  Interest rates would go through the roof and as a result his little Aussie battlers would lose the roof over their heads.  He was very affective in pushing this message across, taking aim at Labor’s historic spending patterns and Mark Latham’s record as Mayor of Liverpool, both of which were irrelevant points in this election.  Didn’t he look stupid when he rode us through eleven straight interest rate rises over the next three years?  But it mattered not.  We had been saved from the merciless Abdullah and on that point we needed to be reminded.

Dr Hanif helped him.

Howard had to convince the dumbed down electorate that his unpopular counter terrorism legislation was for the good of the country.  It protected us from the likes of the despicable and ill-intentioned Dr Hanif.  It would protect us from every body and every thing that Howard saw as a threat to his battling Aussies.  We were saved by his fridge magnets.  Terrorist alerts were upgraded every five minutes and I have it on good advice that these always coincided with political maneuvers.  They were not real.  Howard only wanted us to be afraid.  Very afraid.  The only thing he wanted to protect was his job.  The terrorists, to him, were the Labor Party.

So were Aborigines, in particular the Stolen Generation.  Saying sorry to them would send the country broke.  An apology to the Stolen Generations would have legal ramifications and pave the way for huge compensation bills.  And that was the unproven basis of his argument, which was rabidly supported from those loyal battlers who didn’t mind the interest rate rises.  It didn’t matter if you lost the family home, just as long as those Aborigines didn’t get any money.  During Howard’s gloating about the healthy state of the economy he had the complete morons fearful that we couldn’t afford to pay some Aborigines compensation for the mistreatment they had received at the hands of the State.  You can read about his hypocrisy here.

Now we have prophet Abbott as the pedlar fear.  Today it’s the carbon tax, which by the time of the next election may well be proven to not be as damaging as he squawks.  He’ll have to move onto something else.  On the eve of the next election what will it be?  My money’s on boat people.

John Howard

John Howard (Photo credit: Takver)

376 comments on “Pedlars of Fear

  1. I certainly remember the one about the Stolen Generations..how we would have Abos camped in our front yards.

    The next one is the mining tax where Abbott claims that jobs will be lost when the fact of the matter is that the mining industry employs few Australians. I would like to see the stats about how many Kiwis are employed.

    I don’t see that the mining tax is going to hit the right note as there is something a little odd about Gina and Twiggy crying poor.

    I think that the opposition will aim for personal vilification..expect to see a lot more about Julia’s derrier and her empty fruit bowl.

  2. Yep, Migs. Can’t have them darkies thinking they have rights’n’stuff. Goes against the natural order.

    ..expect to see a lot more about Julia’s derrier and her empty fruit bowl.

    Leading to the obvious conclusion that she’s gay, ‘cos any NORMAL woman would far rather be pumping out children and doing the ironing than running a country.

    Min, I wish you’d stop picking on poor Gina and Twiggy. They’re down to their last TV station. :???:

  3. The Libs strategy of spreading fear and loathing then to divide and conquer surely has a use by date. Here is hoping that a little common sense and a gut full of Abbott and his bull shit will prove to be their undoing.

  4. Patricia R, I think that this is why Tony has a wild eyed look about him at times..he is running out of fear campaigns.

  5. Migs wrote: On the eve of the next election what will it be?  My money’s on boat people.

    Top post Migs. I agree asylum seekers will be used like bogeymen.

    Yes, Libs unfortunately luv their fear-mongering…and making mountains out of molehills with the help of a complicit (aiding and abetting) media.

    But Abbott has taken this crap to a new high.

    I think the difference is that Abbott sounds like an outraged One Nation/Tea Party protestor…combined with a religious zealot…add a corporate opportunist and victim…libertarian sceptic…muck-raking tabloid reporter…loud mouthed shock jock…compassionate conservative missionary with a beef…raging old time pugilist…scary Scrooge…fingerpointing Senator McCarthy…and B.A. Santamaria’s bitter love child…all rolled into one.

    Bizarre.

    N’

  6. Right back to Mr. Menzies’s day, when just before an election, which by the way he looked like losing, we had the Petrov Affair. Pictures of that poor woman being carried on to a plane, at Darwin , losing her shoe in the process.

    Many tales of espionage filled our papers, up to the election. Nothing much heard of from there on. They lived out their lives in seclusion for many years.

    It did save Mr. Menzie’s bacon.

    Fear of communism and beds under the bed was very real in the community. The domino theory was effective.

    I suspected then, and believe now, this fear was unfounded.

  7. “The Libs strategy of spreading fear and loathing then to divide and conquer surely has a use by date. ”

    Sadly it is a long time coming.

  8. Cu, and who can forget the *gasp* Latham handshake with poor little Johnny cringing at the aggressive onslaught.

    Mind you..they could have been right about Latham…

  9. “But Abbott has taken this crap to a new high”.

    I’m afraid you’re right, Nas. Whereas Howard would save his fear tactics for elections or the introduction of some legislation, Abbott comes out with it daily.

  10. Min, I know I shouldn’t but I loved that handshake. Mr. Howard’s habit of grabbing hands and pumping them for all he was worth, not letting go used to annoy me.

    The Latham story of the taxi driver and his broken arm was a another that got up my nose.

    I believe if there was any truth in this one, there would have been pro bono lawyer from the right, that would have got that into court. The driver was off work, I believe six months. I am sure he could have used the money.

    No police or court involvement.

  11. Miglo wrote: Whereas Howard would save his fear tactics for elections or the introduction of some legislation, Abbott comes out with it daily.

    So true Migs, so true.

    And he has a 24hr a day media – desperate to survive financially and promote any story/hype to grab viewers/readers attention – giving him airtime.

    He worked for the media…he knows how they work…how to suck them in…manipulate, use, exploit them.

    N’

  12. Archie, I would have to agree with Migs on this one..the Liberal Party do not have policies, they have slogans. Then when they do announce something bearing a vague resemblance to..that black hole just grows deeper and darker.

  13. Patricia,
    We’ve seen the scare tactics for some years now and as much as we hope to see it reach its use-by date, the media keep aiding them.

  14. Nas’ and “He worked for the media…he knows how they work…how to suck them in…manipulate, use, exploit them.”

    I do wonder sometimes if it isn’t the other way around. That the Murdoch media have found themselves a pretty face, one that is semi-presentable on most occasions..and when he isn’t what the heck, there is always a journo or 2 to cover for him.

  15. Nas’, Santamaria’s bitter love child,etc. Spot on!

    CU, I remember my father being incensed every time Menzies cynically played the “reds under the beds” card.

    The Liars Party has never held back on scare smear campaigns. i’ve heard barrackers banging on about Labor running scare campaigns, but they’re the champions.

    My paternal grandmother had stories about Liars agents putting the ear of God into immigrants,by telling if they didn’t vote for the Liars, they’d be deported.

    No wonder I despise them.

    And when the “reds under the beds” got a bit stale, it was the “yellow peril”. My first husband was a yellow peril, a fact which seemed to delight my father.

    Yes, Min that handshake. It still has me buggered how that was regarded as an assault on the Rodent; it just looked like a robust handshake to me. Latham should have gone for broke and grasped the slimy bastard around the neck!!!

  16. I love Mr. Marr’s explanation of the preferred PM. According to him, Mr. Abbott has manged to bring the PM down to his level.
    Mr. Howard refuse to accept Coulson vote. Did that occur and how. Pyne ABC24
    Pyne is now claiming that Mr. Shorten putting an administrator in because of Mr. Thompson’s action. I believe this is not the truth.
    Wonder, Mr Pyne does not support this government, Has done so since day one. Mr. Pyne is indeed angry.
    He is sure upset.
    It would not be, because they have been outsmarted again.

    Are you worried. Did one noticed the half smirk, Mr. Pyne had problem controlling.
    Is being challenged about the type of politics aboard today.

  17. On the eve of the next election I envisage the Opposition pushing an Indigenous issue Expect to see the need for more interventions ramped up. Expect to see the demand for more Aborigines to get a job. Expect to hear how they drain the government coffers. Expect to hear Abbott claiming he can fix all that.

  18. My award for the Fear Campaign of the Century must go to the Children Overboard Affair. Let me count the ways, but probably the pic of a female sailor who was supposedly in the water after people threw their children overboard.

    It of course was nothing of the kind, the people were ordered into the water following normal rescue procedures.

    There is a footnote. That female sailor later resigned from the Navy, being so appalled that her photo was misused in this way.

  19. Min, they do indeed have policies. They are do not and dare not let us know what they are.

    That is why we have to keep asking.

    They just might let something slip.

  20. How can I look when it’s not on TV?

    Hey Migs – there’s this really neat, new-fangled do-dad called the Interwebby thingy. You should try it one day – you can find out all sorts of stuff ;) :mrgreen:

  21. One of these “new-fangled” sites tells me Adelaide Noisy Annoying Black Birds are giving some other team a flogging 10 4 64 to 7 3 45 near the end of the 2nd quarter. Maybe that means sometghing to you? :mrgreen:

  22. Miglo, do you think we have time for a Carbon Trading system to do anything worthwhile. All this Tax does is gather money for the Government, the compensation they are offering the people will run out before the tax does, and the proposed trading provides opportunities for the crooks to make money at the peoples expense. The Global Crissis was started by traders and you think they are our saviours? What can I say?

  23. @miglo – perhaps not publically announced policies. But they have deep laid plans to turn Australia into a Billionaire’s Paradise! The trick is to spot just what they have in mind. Watch the strings as the puppet-mistress organises her puppets and conceals her plotting.

  24. I believe too much praise is being given to Abbott’s winning tactics, I see it more like this…In a land with a true democracy, the media would attack virtually everything that comes out of his mouth….just one example, a truly democratic media, when an opposition leader calls the PM ‘Juliar”, would understand the difference between “a government I lead” and a “minority government I lead” and would report accordingly, probably with a proviso, that infantile terms such as this should be restricted to the playground and have no place in modern politics…but no! they have done the complete opposite, and in the minds of the mindless turned his lie into the gospel truth, as they have done with every other juvenile utterance he has made, as I said at the start,
    if Abbott’s childish rant had been shown for what it was, we would have a far different scenario, the lies would have stopped, and policy would have appeared. Now thanks to a biased media set on regime change, we have a government doing everything right, being called a failure, and an opposition which has failed at everything being called successful, Abbott needs help tying his shoelaces, we are in this situation because too many people believe what they see on the TV and in the newspapers.

  25. archiearchive

    please stop, everytime I think of Credlin as the puppet mistress, all i can see is Abbott practicing with his very own p**is puppetry. he does spend a lot of time alone you know.

  26. Ian, I agree with you. Abbott does as you say, “a childish rant” and the media gush..it’s a winner. Abbott has the tactics they say, eyebrows bristling from certain commentators on Sky News. He’s the clever one, he’s got the numbers.

    Abbott needs help to undo his fly…

  27. @Miglo I must disagree, the only weapon he has is the media, and his only tactic is fear, and that wouldn’t/couldn’t work without his one and only weapon the media….even they are finding it hard lately to keep pushing his rubbish…strike me down but I actually read a piece the other day musing what would the libs do in government, anymore of this radical type reporting, would see a quick change of fortunes.

  28. @Min exactly Min, without the power of the media, he is an imbecile, who publicly declares he lies, embarrasses all with misogynistic lying comments, such as the cost of your ironing is going up because of the carbon price, that was aimed at winning women’s votes, all the miners will go overseas….doh! like everybody has resources like us, even as he was uttering that tripe, increased investment was flooding in…the list goes on and on…not one lie questioned by the media and again the opposite happening they endorse his rubbish…the devil is the media, he just makes inane comments, they turn it into the “truth”?

  29. Ian, and “the only weapon he has is the media”. Which is exactly right..the only weapon that Abbott has is communication, and he has the full arsenal at his disposal.

  30. Is it really over a year since the media last asked Tony a question. After his previous performance, they’re probably been warned off about asking him anything…

  31. @Min if that is his reaction to one probing (the only one) question, imagine 3 or 4, he would be carried off as a cot case.

  32. Miglo wrote: sometimes I wish PJK was still in Parliament. To watch him carve up Abbott would be pure gold.

    Indeed Migs.

    Someone needs to take him apart in parliament real soon.

    Hit him hard day after day on a consistent basis…add wit.

    N’

  33. Someone needs to take him apart in parliament real soon.

    And in the media too, Nas. Ask him more questions that makes his head shake.

  34. @Miglo.you have probably determined my pet hate is the media, mainly because if it is doing it’s job properly the Abbotts of the world can’t exist and I just see him as another homophobic,xenophobic conservative, the media though, I see as destroyers of democracy, wanton vandals of an egalitarian society, proponents of a class system and as much as I detest them, the bullet bit I leave to the redneck shock jock brigade, we are better than that and I know you didn’t mean it.

  35. Which headline made into the ABC TV News tonight: ‘Labor to win South Brisbane by-election’ or nothing. You guessed it. Labor to lose South Brisbane by-election’ would have been a certainty. I’m beginning to sound like a sore winner as well as a sore loser.

  36. Ian, the bloke I want to shoot – Tom R – is over a game of footy. We’re at each other’s throats every football season. It’s in good fun.

    His team beat mine today. I’ll have fun shooting him. :mrgreen:

  37. I barrack for Collingwood…1point is as good as I’m going to get this week, don’t suppose I will get too much pity on this page though :)

  38. Ian, I think that you have arrived at the right place. Up at the top of the page you will see 2 Tabs. Media Watch and Murdoch. Media Watch is now up to XV since Migs first introduced it.

    Precisely. The Liberals do not have to spend $s when they have the Murdoch media doing all of the publicity on their behalf. One of our recent “favorites” is misleading headlines but the text says nothing of the kind. Yet another media tactic.

  39. @Miglo I was responding to Min…don’t ask how I got my Miglo mixed up with my Min….probably too much Abbott so soon after eating :(

  40. Thanks for the advice Min, I did see that topic above…I promise I will check it out, meant to the other day actually, got sidetracked.

  41. I have a bit of a problem with port….Bucks originates from there, in the safl they had the same strip as the woods, and Bucks as their captain had a dream to play for the woods…how can I possibly hate a team with those credentials.

  42. My wife reckons there are double standards being applied to PM Gillard by many in the media…and public…she reckons this fella stretched the truth too often and made plenty of bad judgement calls…yet won time and time again…interesting:

  43. Just for we hearing impaired people, Johnny Ray was rendered completely deaf after surgery in ’58. I don’t know how he did it, if you can’t hear you don’t know what you sound like…which given my singing abilities is probably a blessing.

  44. Howard’s biggest weasel effort was when he was questioned about rates being lower under his government, just after they’d risen for the umpteenth time. He denied saying it, reckoning the government said it, not him. It was of course a lie. He even denied it after the footage was replayed to him.

    He took us for fools.

  45. Ian Riley @6.38pm, utterly, completely and totally right. The msm is the only thing keeping Liealot from being exposed as the empty vessel he is.

    And if, as you say, the msm had called Liealot on the Juliar thing, I think Liealot would have been replaced by another desperado.

    At the moment, I’m reminded of 1984 where everything is the opposite of its name-the Ministry of Truth only tells lies.

    This is where, like Sauron, Peta Credlin resides and sends her armies of orcs and
    trolls to infest the country.

    Of course not, Migs @7.14pm. it’s just that they’re very annoying people. :???:

    Nas’ @7.24pm, this country most definitely needs another PJK. Mind you, I’ve heard the PM in full flight and she tends to take no prisoners. But she shouldn’t have to perform the job of the msm..

    Min do you remember the howls of outrage against Mark Riley for being so cruel to Liealot? What’s up with that?

    These idiots support someone who is incapable of responding to a question he should have been able to answer without even thinking……oh, wait. Did I say thinking? What was I thinking?

  46. Of course not, Migs @7.14pm. it’s just that they’re very annoying people.

    And the dastardly duo will no doubt be here in due course to take their level of annoyance to new heights. :(

  47. Jane, I don’t believe that Tony expends much energy on the thinking thing..other than trying to decide which shade of Lycra should I wear today, the pink or the peach.

  48. Jane, I don’t believe that Tony expends much energy on the thinking thing.

    Min, how can you say such a thing? Tones is one of Australia’s great public intellectuals. :shock:

  49. You would always tell when Howard was lying.

    Every time he opened his mouth, Min.

    And the dastardly duo will no doubt be here in due course to take their level of annoyance to new heights.

    A scold’s bridle is the only solution, Migs. :mrgreen:

    Min, I’m also shocked and horrified that you would cast nasturtiums at that great intellectual, Liealot. :lol:

  50. I sometimes believe that Mr. Abbott does not know when he is lying. Many of the Opposition have convinced themselves that in telling the same lie over and over and over and over, it becomes truth,

  51. Hi Cu, ….

    good evening Migs. :grin:

    I think they believe what they’re saying…… will win the election, and Abbott does know he can get away with it.

    It’s the journalists who seem convinced of the truth of what “the Opposition says”.
    That what happens in circular group think sessions

  52. Is Labor really this bad. It goes on and on. What has really changed this week. Are the public really care about what is going on.

    CHRIS KENNY From: The Australian April 30, 2012 12:00AM
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    JULIA Gillard’s terminal government will go down in history as an ill-conceived, shambolic and dysfunctional administration. All that remains to be known is when it draws its last breath and whether Gillard, or another martyr, will be at the helm. And after the Prime Minister’s snitchy, reactive and belated response to the Slipper and Thomson issues yesterday, her only chance of leading her party to the next election is if it is forced immediately.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/why-labors-hollow-men-and-women-must-topple/story-fn8qlm5e-1226342051350?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAustralianOpinion+%28The+Australian+%7C+Opinion%29

    PETER VAN ONSELEN From: The Australian April 30, 2012 12:00AM
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    IN the past 48 hours, Julia Gillard has lost significant support for her leadership and the previously unthinkable is starting to happen.

    Kevin Rudd is firming for another shot at the prime ministership. It has happened because Gillard backers can no longer see how she will rise in the polls. Saving seats is the mantra.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/rudd-firms-for-another-shot-at-the-leadership/story-fn53lw5p-1226342178692

    VOTERS are demanding an early federal election to blast out a government they believe is desperate to cling to power and a prime minister who has poor political judgment.

    The findings of the exclusive Herald Sun/Galaxy Poll come as Prime Minister Julia Gillard said yesterday she no longer wanted Craig Thomson in her partyroom – but would still rely on his vote to stay in power.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/voters-fl

  53. The perfect Mr. Abbott.

    On 29 April 2012 Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott called for the approximately 93,661 voters in the federal electorate of Dobell in NSW to be immediately disenfranchised after he heard that their elected representative since 2007, Craig Thomson MP, hah resigned from the Australian Labor Party and moved onto the parliamentary cross-benches as an Independent.
    Again on 29 April Sky News revealed Abbott’s personal reference for then Coalition MP Peter Slipper:
    On Sunday Liberal frontbencher Christopher Pyne defended Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s personal reference for Mr Slipper’s preselection campaign at the 2007 election which praised the Sunshine Coast MP.
    “Tony Abbott has always been famously generous with his colleagues and his friends. It doesn’t surprise me at all that he would write a reference of that nature,” Mr Pyne told Sky News.
    Also on 29 April the Northern Rivers Echo reported that the highest levels of the Howard Government (in which Opposition Leader Tony Abbott was then a senior minister) had known about and attempted to conceal Peter Slipper’s parliamentary travel expense allowance difficulties:
    AN ”urgent” ministerial briefing note to the former special minister of state Eric Abetz warned that as far back as 2002 something was amiss with Peter Slipper’s family travel expenses.
    The note, obtained by The Sun-Herald under freedom-of-information laws, reveals Mr Abetz and other ministers were advised Mr Slipper had been spoken to ”on various occasions” about his family travel entitlements, yet continued making expense claims that broke the rules.
    Other documents obtained under FOI reveal the Howard government at the time prepared a brief titled ”hot issues” just in case the matter was raised in an estimates hearing.
    The suggested response was to say Mr Slipper had repaid the $5079.40 owing to the Commonwealth but in the background notes, headlined ”not for release”, it said ”Mr Slipper was critical of departmental processes in identifying apparent travel outside of entitlement…….
    Elsewhere it was reported that known Abbott ally Senator Santo Santoro had supported Slipper’s continued pre-selection in Fisher, before his own ministerial fall from grace in 2007. Abbott later voted for Santoro in his successful bid to become vice-president of the political arm of the Liberal Party in 2011.
    The Sunshine Coast Daily on 25 April takes Abbott to task for trying to rewrite his history with Peter Slipper:
    Tony Abbott lied on Monday night when he told the ABC he had been in the process of shepherding Mr Slipper out of parliament when Julia Gillard made him Speaker.
    How can that be true? Mr Abbott and his then Prime Minister John Howard wrote letters to Liberal members in Fisher urging them to back Peter Slipper in a preselection contest with Glenn Garrick and Harry Burnett.
    Mr Abbott’s office was the source of the press release Mr Slipper put out explaining his reasons for accepting the PM’s offer of the deputy speakership even after he absented himself from the Liberal Party room vote that selected Bruce Scott as its nomination for the job.
    On 24 April The Australian carries Abbott’s denial that Coalition staffers didn’t help prepare the sexual harassment case against Speaker Peter Slipper, but didn’t mention the newspaper’s previous claim that Coalition political operatives began leaking to it after Slipper’s defection or that Abbott had particular friendships with senior staff at The Australian.

    http://www.blogotariat.com/node/345824

  54. Cu @ 2.05am, how typical of former Liberal adviser Chris Kenny who’s not above making ‘snitchy” comments himself, to describe the Prime Minister this way:-

    And after the Prime Minister’s snitchy, reactive and belated response to the Slipper and Thomson issues yesterday, her only chance of leading her party to the next election is if it is forced immediately.

    Chris Kenny should put a sock in it.

    The fact is that Liberal Senator Mary Jo Fisher continued to sit in the Senate when she was facing Court.

    Tony Abbott stands by arrested Liberal SA Senator Mary Jo Fisher
    by: Brad Crouch
    From: Sunday Mail (SA) July 25, 2011

    OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott is standing by SA Liberal Senator Mary Jo Fisher, who faces charges of theft and assault.
    Mr Abbott said yesterday although he “did not want to talk about private circumstances”, he was aware Senator Fisher was battling depression.

    “The party is right behind her and supporting her in this tough time,” Mr Abbott said.

    Senator Fisher was yesterday bunkered down at her Adelaide home following revelations she had been charged over an incident at the Frewville Foodland last year.

    Contacted by The Advertiser she remained reluctant to talk about the charges.

    Senator Nick Xenophon, who works with Senator Fisher on a parliamentary committee, said yesterday “the presumption of innocence is paramount”.

    Not for everyone it’s not.

  55. So much for due process.and innocent until proven guilty

    Union chiefs in Tony Abbott’s sights
    by: David Hurley
    From: Sunday Herald Sun April 29, 2012
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/union-chiefs-in-tony-abbotts-sights/story-fn7x8me2-1226341653631

    And in a swipe at Julia Gillard’s continued support for Labor MP Craig Thomson, whose actions while national secretary of the Health Services Union are under investigation, Mr Abbott quipped: “The party of Ben Chifley has become the party of Craig Thomson.

    Chifley’s light on the hill has evolved, has degenerated into something so much worse: Craig Thomson’s red light on the hill.”

  56. Hmm when it comes to the peadlers of fear you lot really are blind to those created by labor and the Greens, in particular the campagn against workchoices and the fear mongering about climate change, both are still being dragged out for fresh airings on a regular basis even now.

  57. If Prime Minister Gillard had asked Mr. Thomson and Mr.Slipper to stand
    down earlier, the Opposition and their echo chamber would have accused her of panicking; now, when “a line has been crossed” that same group of nongs
    at news.con are calling her “desperate Julia”.

    They were shrewd enough, or otherwise too stupid to ask her just who had crossed the line. they might not have appreciated her answer.

    She’s damned by them no matter what she does.

    Attorney General Nicola Roxon is right, but with Abbott and Prissy and others
    still angling and wheedling and whining for an “early election” while the government is preparing to announce the Budget in a weeks time, the PM has chosen to stand the two men down as a circuit breaker.

    It’s too much to expect that this will happen without more histrionics from
    Tony the Mauler.

    Roxon warns against ‘lynch mob’ over Slipper claims
    Updated April 23, 2012
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-23/roxon-blasts-trial-by-media-surrounding-slipper-case/3967208/?site=newcastle

    Ms Roxon says stopping Mr Slipper from returning to the Speaker’s role because of a civil lawsuit would set a dangerous precedent.

    “Senator Sean Edwards has a misleading and deceptive conduct complaint working its way through the courts in South Australia at the moment, he continues to sit on Parliamentary committees,” she said.

    “There is not able to be one rule for Mr Slipper and another rule for the Liberal Party.

    “Let’s not have a double standard here. Mr Abbott is calling for this because he can see the political advantage in it.”

    Ms Roxon says Mr Abbott needs to remember that people are entitled to the presumption of innocence.

    “I’m very concerned that Mr Abbott is acting more like the leader of a lynch mob than the Leader of the Liberal Party,” she said.

    “That’s not how our legal system works in Australia. People are entitled to make allegations, but people are entitled to defend those allegations as well.”

  58. Iain you’re not paying enough attention,
    Why do you think the ABC is littered with the likes of Peter Reith and the parrots from the IPA, whose main aim is to promote Workchoices Mk11 industrial relations policies among other things .

  59. Abbott sorry for go-it-alone pledge
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-sorry-for-goitalone-pledge-20100309-pur8.html

    Mr Abbott told a joint party room meeting that he had made a “leader’s call” in making the announcement.

    He admitted it was something leaders shouldn’t do often but was sometimes necessary.

    “Sometimes it’s better to ask forgiveness than permission,” Mr Abbott told his colleagues.

    Given Abbott’s reluctance to state his plans up front the public should be very afraid of an Abbott led government.

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  61. This post is spot on.

    I’m so scared. And its all because of what AbbottAbbottAbbott has been saying.

    That’s why I’m intend to vote Coalition come the next election.

  62. ‘Today it’s the carbon tax, which by the time of the next election may well be proven to not be as damaging as he squawks.’

    Get off the grass Miglo, the electorate rightly blame Julia for the increase in power bills. The PM thinks like a watermelon (surprise surprise) and believes the 97% of scientists.

    What a laugh!

    And after the ALP becomes a rump I imagine you will all just carry on hating Abbott and whinging about how the hate media destroyed the party.

    Barrackers are pathetic.

  63. My goodness. Some people are grumpy this morning.

    Iain, I thought you were a believer in climate change. I am a believer and I also believe the message needs to get out there. It’s not a scare campaign. It’s telling the truth.

    El gordo, what increase in power bills is the PM being blamed for? It cannot be the carbon tax as that hasn’t been introduced.

    Leon, welcome to the Cafe.

  64. Migs, the topic of increases in power bills is something worth considering..surely it couldn’t be anything to do with the mega monster television sets, aircon in every room and running half a dozen computers. Then we have the current design of houses with narrow eaves necessitating using heating and airconditioning instead of using nature to assist. But of course, nobody wants to own up to personal responsibility, far easier to blame a carbon tax which is yet to be introduced.

  65. The Galileo Movement has an “Axe the Tax” video out supposedly destroying the science underpinning the science of global warming.

    I won’t provide a link, but it can be googled.

    Sadly, I fear it will convince simple folk that the CO2 link is all bullshit, if they haven’t already been convinced by the shock-jocks and media hysteria.

    The video uses a crude sleight of hand to convince a gullible viewer that man-made CO2 is only 1 part in 33 of the “natural” CO2 in the atmosphere.

    And the natural CO2 is bugger-all anyway. So how could such a small amount of CO2 etc etc. The argument depends on the viewer accepting that something very small can’t hurt you.

    It’s a sad twist on the old adage that you’ll never lose by underestimating the intelligence of the public.

    What’s immediately obvious to anyone with half a brain is that the 1 part in 33 is an annual contribution, and that we’ve been adding it for 200 years, slowly at first but now at an accelerating rate.

    So man-made CO2 now makes up 40% of the total atmospheric load.

    I guess if you don’t understand the century-old science that explains the peculiar radiative properties of the tri-atomic gases, or distrust the scientists, then that won’t worry you.

    And that makes it so difficult to counter the impact of the video.

    We are living in a truly goebellian world and it’s very worrying.

  66. Iain, there’s a difference between a real threat and a perceived threat. Climate change is real, as was WorkChoices. The threats spruiked by the Liberals, mentioned in this post, were perceived.

  67. Pip

    In one way you do have to agree with Tony Abbott on Mary Jo, in that case the party machine got in early and remakably the video evidence was “lost”.

    And assaulting a worker in the act of doing their job although criminal to us ordinary folk is part of the superior ethos of them born to rule types.

  68. Mangrove, it’s like using simple interest to describe compound interest. The deniers are applying simple interest, don’t you think? ;-)

  69. Therefore unfortunately it is a proven fact that scare campaigns do work, and that it doesn’t matter one iota whether these are real or perceived.

  70. It is interesting how the media are able to not only dissect evey utterance and action from the Labor party, and then come to the (prerdained??) conclusion that whatever it is is wrong, yet are able to blithely parrot the oppositions lines, without any analysis or scrutiny, and pretend that this is somehow justified.

    The we end up with tweets like these two, which indicate that the media know the situation, but would prefer to push their agenda.

  71. Min

    On the tele yesterday there was a story on people cutting back on electricity usage. then there was the usual interface with the “a typical family” and the family explained, one of their measures on cut back.

    We only run the dishwasher when its full.

  72. In NSW Barry O’Farrell has locked in an 18% rise in power prices to pay for infastructure upkeep, guess what date it kicks in???? July 1 2012, same day as the carbon price… people will forget about this decision a year earlier, and prompted by the Coalition and the Shock Jocks, will blame Gillard and the Carbon Price for Barry’s decision…
    The Coalition Premiers are screwing us blind to make Abbotts scare campaign more effective, and they are getting away with it….

  73. What about analysing that claim from pyne, and reflecting on exactly how we got to this point?

    Chaff bags, convoys of no consequence, targets on foreheads

    ring a bell dopes?

    Meanwhile, the PM says she is standing aside (temporarily, and with their support) two people currently not facing any charges, yet found guilty (of what?) in the media court, to try and clear the air because the ‘line’ has been crossed, and the media all stand their and try to pretend they don’t know what ‘line’ this might be.

    The PM should have made it clear, as it is obvious the journos all have difficulty with comprehension.

    DON’T WRITE CRAP!!!

  74. So it’s a brutal terrible parliament according to Pyne, perhaps the opposition might try moving an amendment or several..oh wait, I believe that tried that once.

  75. Tom, it is a bit of a worry as Palmer has billions to throw into buying himself this seat..this will take away from resources that Labor needs to contest other seats.

  76. Therese Rein gave up her Australian Business, the standard has been setThe msm will no doubt ask Clive if he will do the same

  77. Mangrove, it’s like using simple interest to describe compound interest. The deniers are applying simple interest, don’t you think?

    It’s worse than that Roswell. Whilst the video does mention that it’s an annual contribution, the metaphorical device employed (representative piles of rice) leaves the viewer believing that man-made CO2 is 1 part in 33, end of story. No cumulative or compounding effect. And as that’s only 1 part in 60 million of total CO2, then what’s to get concerned about ?

    There’s certainly a “compound interest-like” component in the man-made contribution because of the natural growth function embedded in the production of industrial CO2. Growth on growth. But, oddly, that doesn’t get a mention.

    But at 400 ppm CO2 or whatever it is now, it’s the highest for the last 1 million or so years.

    I think the video also said that temperature rise always precedes CO2 in the historical record (I couldn’t stomach watching it again to check). And that’s quite true of course. But my simplified take is that the unprecedented intervention of mankind has turned the usual causality around, and now we’re going to see if we can’t reverse the process and raise the temperature by jacking up the CO2.

    So far it seems to be working.

  78. Sue, you’re certainly right there..imagine what Clive Palmer’s declarations of a pecuniary interest might look like.

  79. Augustus

    Re vex news

    Is Clive Palmer annoucement today the BIG DISTRACTION , the BIG LOOK OVER HERE,

    Who is paying Ashby’s $600 per hour leagal representation?

    In Tony Abbot’s words, he is not aware of any coaloition/lnp member in Canberra being involved with Ashby

    Could Titanic 11, sink the civil action?

  80. I haven’t read the comments yet, sorry. A 4 year old insisting I help come save LIghtning McQueen.

    My bet is on boat people too. It’s the one that infuriates me the most though. It makes me boiling mad.

    The problem being is that the electorate is getting dumber and dumber. Prepared to take their ‘news’ from Today Tonight and ACA and Dave freaking Hughes (he’s no Jon Stewart, that’s for damned sure). They’re prepared to go to news.com.au for soundbites and headlines and unprepared to go anywhere else. They’ll just be drip fed and refuse to go anywhere they need to think for themselves or digest anything meatier.

    I’m terrified of the next election. Utterly terrified.

  81. ‘…what increase in power bills is the PM being blamed for?’

    The electorate blame green energy and they instinctively know (because of hate media) that power bills will continue to grow because of this folly.

  82. It appears a lot of tweets are going to Latika Bourke on the Ashby $50000 payment, suggesting she investigate. Now lets see if there is any response.

  83. Melissa, I agree with you absolutely. We used to have programs dedicated to science and innovation..today we have Toddlers & Tiaras, the great dumbing down.

  84. Sue, the bigger question to ask is why Abbot supported Slippers pre-selection for many years and even went to the point of assisting in covering up expense irregularities during the Howard government.

  85. Augustus

    If Ashby withdrawsand in civil cases they can be withdrawn at any time, then the questions should go to Steve Lewis, Qld LNP, Abbott

  86. I just heard Mr. Windsor call Mr. Abbott a “rabid dog”. ABC24

    As for Slipper, he said that he had a thirty minute talk with Slipper Wednesday night and encouraged him to do as he is doing.

    Mr. Pyne was at his best this morning ABC 702. He is saying that this illegitimate government and that there should heave been an election straight after the last one. Claimed that Mr.Wilkie now wants a new election. I do not believe that is so. Presumption of innocence does not apply as what Mr. Thompson is alleged to have done is dramatic. I suggest the only dramatics around today, is Mr. Pyne and Mr. Abbott.

    Was surprise at the phone ins that supported Mr. Thompson and has no time for Mr. Abbott. In fact they were ridiculing him.

    The we have Mr. Palmer, wanting Swans seat. He makes this announcement, without talking to the LNP. This would be his second run for a sear. Mr. Slipper defeated him last time.

    We have definitely enter Alice in Wonderland to day.

    Mr. Abbott was challenged on ABC Radio News. According to Mr. Abbott when challenged that Mr. Thompson has not been charged with anything, he said he must have, because the PM would not have disowned him or something along that line.

    I was laying in bed, and was starting to think I was dreaming, but sadly was awake.

    Another said that what is going on is politics and one should bot take much notice. I think it was Mr. Green.

    It was said more than once that the economy is string and this government has produced many good policies.

    Mr, Abbott’s rising screams and insulting those who will not support his call for an election is becoming a little absurd.

    As Mr. Windsor said if Mr. Abbott comes and lives in his electorate, he might listen to him.

    Others are highly insulted that Mr. Abbott wants the man they voted for prevented from voting on their behalf.

    What is clear,that Mr. Abbott has no concern for rules and the constitution.

    How can government refuse to accept Mr. Thompson’s vote. How can they do that. Mr. Howard done exactly the same with Coulson. It appears that Mr. Howard did not accept Coulson vote in the beginning,. He did later.

    What about the rights of the people who voted for him.

  87. Iain and Leon, well, well, hypocrites writ large. Forgotten about Liealot standing by Sen MJ Fisher, who has been convicted of assault. Still waiting for the howls of outrage and demands that she should be slung out of the Senate.

    Liealot’s protegé Slagabella with a civil suit pending for keeping a frail lderly Alzheimer’s sufferer in the potting shed until he signed over his estate to her. Liealot is standing by her, although she’s guilty.

    Before you pop your cork, according to Liealot and barrackers like you, the accusation is good enough. All we need is an accusation and straight to the slammer.

    So I guess Slagabella will be voting from her prison cell. Liealot and the barrackers don’t have a problem with a convicted criminals in the party, it seems.

    Then there’s Sean Edwards; accused of misleading and deceptive conduct. Obviously, we’ll skip any trials, so yet another criminal inthe ranks.

    And last but not least Liealot has a civil suit for defamation against him. Again we’ll dispense with an unnecessaryand expensive trial and pronounce him guilty.

    So what’s the tally; Liars Party 4 criminals, one of whom is the LOTO. Not a good look is it, particularly as the leader of the party is a crook sanding by his other crooks?

    I guess all Lielot’s and Slagabella’s constituents should be diesenfranchised as well. And if Fisher and Edwards get any votes, they should be distributed to the parties which aren’t infested with criminals, don’t you think?

    Not looking too promising for the next election, is it?

    Now Labor: well looky here. No accusations and one charged with any crimes at all.

    Cross benches: One new Independent whose constituents Liealot reckons should be disenfranchised because………. Oh yes, because Liealot the well known defamer says so.

    I don’t know about you, but given the choice, I’d always take the word of a non criminal against the word of a criminal. And I certainly don’t think convicted criminals should be allowed to hold the position of MP or Senator, do you?

    As for SerfChoices, the victims voted to get rid of it. No scare campaign needed, Phone Card’s bill ran its own campaign.

    Well bugger me! Phone Card, another Liar caught with his fingers in the till!

    Blimey, the crooks are piling up on the Liars side, aren’t they?

    MJ, the flaw in their reasoning is that even by just adding the amount they claim we’re upsetting the balance of CO2 in the atmosphere. A set of scales perfectly balanced; on each side is the equivalent of the atmosphere showing the gases in their respective proportions.

    Add just the extra CO2 they claim we’re responsible for to one side. The scales are out of balance and tip. ergo we’re interfering with the proportion of CO2 that should be in the atmosphere.

    I guess you could use any example that sheeples are familiar with; inflating a tyre is another. We all know the consequences of over inflating your tyres, or putting too much oil in the engine, or too much salt in the stew etc.

    KISS is the key. The deniers culd rubbish it all they liked, but the comparison is there. Over inflating your tyres has bad consequences; so does putting too much CO2 into the air we breathe.

    And as a kicker, they could invite the CO2 isn’t dangerous brigade to step into an enclosed space where CO2 had replaced the oxygen.

    The first subject should be Liealot. Putting his money where his mouth is.

    Tom R, I think the government now has to start talking about how many Liars are currently the subject of charges or have been convicted as in the case of Fisher.

    Remind the punters that Lielaot has stood by every single one invoking the presumption of innocence, and never once suggested they stand aside until the allegations including shoplifting and assault, were resolved.

    Then invite them to compare Lielaot’s hypocrisy when it comes to Craig Thomson who has not been charged with any crime. and the Liars who are currently subject to charges and the Liar convicted of assault.

    And to compare Thomson’s behaviour with that of the Liars. Not one has offered to stand aside, in fact the Senators have raked in extra cash for sitting on Senate committees with charges hanging over their heads.

    And the body blow, they could ask Liealot how his defamation case is going.

    Gloves off. The Liars have brought it on themselves. time to go for the throat.

  88. Perhaps they could also ask the sheeples whether they should trust someone who stands accused of defamation. Can you reallly trust someone like that to tell the ruth?

  89. Catching up,

    It does not matter what Tony wants or Wilkie wants. This government was elected to run a full term, and the fact is the Windsor and Oakeshott stated that they supported Gillard because of this fact. Both Windsor and Oakeshott sought Gillard’s assurance that she would run a full term, and she gave them this assurance.

  90. Tom, the PM told them they did have problems with group think yesterday.

    The journalist say they have trouble understanding what the PM says.

    Now I watched the interview involved, and believe me it was very clear what the PM said and meant.

    The PM even put even repeated some points using different words, to ensure the meaning was clear.

    I believe the journalist all know what she is going to say, and do not listen. This leads to them being confused.

    If they do hear the words, they then report what they believe she really said.

    It will not resemble what she did say.

    Like Mr. Abbott today, the PM would not have taken action she did yesterday, if she did not know something new about Mr. Thompson.

    Of course it could not have been the extreme media and his campaign for the last week or so.

    What the PM did , was what they were calling for. I believe the PM did this reluctantly, as she went to great pains to point out, that she still believed in the presumption of innocence and nothing had changed in that department.

    What she was also clear about, that there were two principals in play.

    The PM did not sack either man. The PM asked them to stand aside. A action both agreed with.

  91. Min wrote: on April 30, 2012 at 10:52 amMin
    Melissa, I agree with you absolutely. We used to have programs dedicated to science and innovation..today we have Toddlers & Tiaras, the great dumbing down.

    Min & Melissa,
    more proof that our media and the Howard government led us down the rampant corporate American direction…a road to nowhere:

  92. idle speculation, or was it merely an attempt to divert attention from good economic news? (which has now successfully been achieved by the slipperslur)

    THERE is a strong element of wishful thinking attached to the rumours that have recently begun swirling around business, financial and Labor circles that Wayne Swan will quit politics.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/waynes-world-may-be-ending/story-fnahw9xv-1226336520390

    and, today :shock:

  93. A reminder:

    The 0.01 Per Cent: The Rising Influence of Vested Interests in Australia
    Wayne Swan

    THE MONTHLY | THE MONTHLY ESSAYS | MARCH 2012 |

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/rising-influence-vested-interests-australia-001-cent-wayne-swan-4670

    They want to own more shares in the media.

    They want to pay less tax.

    They own Tony Abbott…think about his views on the mining tax.

    Now one of them wants to run for the Liberal party and get rid of our Treasurer.

    By choosing the Liberal party run by Abbott…Clive Palmer has told us all we need to know about the present Coalition.

    If I were a rich man,
    Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum.
    All day long I’d mine this country dumb.
    If I were a wealthy man.
    I wouldn’t have to work hard.
    I’d buy a political party.
    Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dumb.
    If I were a biddy biddy rich,
    Yidle-diddle-didle-didle man.

    N’

  94. Mr. Swan is hitting back ABC 24 Why so we have Slipper gate now. Maybe Mr. Palmer should shut up. He is only giving Mr. Swan a platform to get his message out.

    It was highly suspicious that Slippergate happened at this particular time as well…just after the Government had finalised the budget, bringing in the surplus they had promised and in the lead up to the delivery of it in a week or so. It’s funny that it appears to be Tony’s final chance to seize power without earning it by getting the budget to not get through and blocking supply. Once the carbox tax goes through and people start to realise that it’s not going to affect them that much his scare tactics lose their bite and he will be seen for the screeching monkey he really is. It’s also funny that the “scandal” includes stuff from 2003 when he was in the Liberal Party…why wasn’t that dealt with then?

    Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see this for the beat up it truly is…the fact that it includes a lot of the same players as the last great failure Utegate should be food for thought for everyone.

    http://sprayoftheday.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/media-war-ramps-up/#comments

  95. Treasurer Wayne swan on ABC24 now; says

    “I will be thrilled to fight for the smalll businesses across
    the nation

    “I want molre australians to have a stake in our prosperity

    “my state is a wholly owned subsiiary of Clive Palmer”

    “Mr. Abbott must immediately repudiate statements by Mr. Palmer”.

    “the Gillard Government will continue to fight for the

    “I don’t respond to daily, weekly, monthly polls”

    “Matthew” from news.con asked why the government message is getting across…”

    Mr. Swan “Matthew we’ve had this conversation many times…”

    Mr. Swan repeated what he has been saying for several years now that he is working on numbers. 700,000 new jobs since Labor came to power, ….

    Joe Hockey tweeted. One week before the Budget and Swan holds a press conference to talk about his own seat

    Joe Hockey , knows his comment will be on the top line in any report about Swan’s press conference

  96. Indeed:

    Today, when a would-be US president, Mitt Romney, is wealthier than 99.9975% of his fellow Americans, and wealthier than the last eight presidents combined, there’s a global conversation raging about the rich, the poor, the gap between them, and the role of vested interests in the significant widening of that gap in advanced economies over the past three decades.

    This is a debate Australia too must be part of. We’ve always prided ourselves on being a nation that’s more equal than most – a place where, if you work hard, you can create a better life for yourself and your family. Our egalitarian spirit is the product of our history and our national character, as well as the institutions and safeguards built up over more than a century. This spirit informed our stimulus response to the global financial crisis, and meant we avoided the kinds of immense social dislocation that occurred elsewhere in the developed world.

    But Australia’s fair go is today under threat from a new source. To be blunt, the rising power of vested interests is undermining our equality and threatening our democracy. We see this most obviously in the ferocious and highly misleading campaigns waged in recent years against resource taxation reforms and the pricing of carbon pollution. The infamous billionaires’ protest against the mining tax would have been laughed out of town in the Australia I grew up in, and yet it received a wide and favourable reception two years ago. A handful of vested interests that have pocketed a disproportionate share of the nation’s economic success now feel they have a right to shape Australia’s future to satisfy their own self-interest.

    So I write this essay to make a simple point: if we don’t grow together economically, our community will grow apart.
    (Wayne Swan)

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/rising-influence-vested-interests-australia-001-cent-wayne-swan-4670

    Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum.

    N’

  97. When can the lady win. If they keep saying her day is over, every day, maybe one day they will be correct. As Windsor said, they have been saying this since day one.

    Many are once again counting their chickens before the eggs have hatched.

    JULIA Gillard should consider falling on her sword for the good of the Labor Party, because she can no longer present an even slightly credible face at the election. Her spectacular U-turn on everything she’d said before on Craig Thomson and Peter Slipper has left her looking nakedly expedient, and further exposed the state of crisis within the government.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/credibility-gone-pm-should-fall-on-her-sword-20120429-1xt3a.html#ixzz1tU9SCMMr

  98. Swan doesn’t respond to polls, but thank the gods Julia does. That’s why we have this about-face…. the stench of rotting watermelons and of course the other two larrikins.

    Have you discussed an exit strategy yet?

  99. Did I hear that the Age is visiting brothels this week to see if Mr.Thompson visited them.

    We are talking about pre early 2007 are we not.

    How many staff would still be around. How many would remember if they were.

    How much credibility would we put on what they say.

    Are brothels in the practice of giving information out on their clients.

    The matter is being investigated by more than seven bodies. Surely that is enough.

    There is a saying that too many cooks spoil the broth.

    Th way this is going, we could have evidence to tainted to use, mainly because of Opposition and media interference.

    It is best to let the legal system proceed in its own way.

  100. Cu, Michelle Grattan has set herself up as the wise senior journalist, but in reality she’s been reduced to the role of gossip columnist, by her own hand.

  101. CU

    I was going to do a search on how many time Grattan has talked up the demise of Julia Gillard, but then thought why give Grattan any boost in her numbers.

  102. Min, the only hope the rabid dog has is that the PM falls on her sword, as Grattan says.

    All we need is for Labor to hold it’s nerve. Mr. Abbott has nowhere to go.

    I love Mr. Windsor’s rabid dog like Abbott.

    We now have that rally. Roxon being interviewed.

    The PM appears to be too busy to worry about Abbott and co.

    Once again, the PM did not get rid of either man. The PM asked them to stand aside, which they have. It appears both were coming to that view because of the intensity of the media attack.

    Mr. Thompson was NOT SUSPENDED. Mr. Thompson asked Labor to suspend him for the time being.

    PM doing the right thing by people interviewed on the streets of Melbourne.

    Maybe, just maybe they have gone too far this time.

  103. That’s why we have this about-face

    If you listened to what the PM said, rather than what the media reckoned she said, you would realise it is not an about face.

  104. Min

    Abbott will be in Perth today at a navy base. Suppose he can tell them it will be safe for him that they will be the ones TURNING BACK THE BOATS.

    Time for Abbott to play Naval captain. What will he get to wear? Wetsuit?

  105. Sue, I had the same thought about Grattan. she’s been writing the same lines for years now, and her bitchy chats with Fran Kelly are a daily feature on Radio National every morning.
    She should have retired while she still had some credibilty.

  106. Melissa, not only boat people but you can add just about any minority group or disadvantaged sector you can think of. Before the election they’ll also try and hating Aborigines, the unemployed, people on a disability pension. In fact, anybody they can say are rorting the tax payers.

  107. CU wrote: I just heard Mr. Windsor call Mr. Abbott a “rabid dog”. ABC24

    Catching up,
    an apt description by Tony Windsor.

    And then there’s Christopher Pyne…rabid in his own way:

  108. He must have done something wrong. This after intensive questioning on why Mr. Thompson voter should not be accepted.

    ABC News this morning, from Perth..

    This rubbish from Pyne and Abbott is what the public is hearing today.

    I am being kind when I say rubbish.

    How do we find that interview, along with the one that Mr. Pyne made on ABC 702.

    Milne now speaking.

    Politics today is sure in real time 7/24.

  109. Cu, it’s true.

    Catching up
    Did I hear that the Age is visiting brothels this week to see if Mr.Thompson visited them.

    They cannot be serious!

    Police to quiz sex workers about MP
    http://www.theage.com.au/national/police-to-quiz-sex-workers-about-mp-20120429-1xt46.html

    MEMBERS of the Victoria Police fraud and extortion squads are expected to visit Sydney brothels and escort agencies this week to interview sex workers about whether MP Craig Thomson used union funds to pay for their services while he was national secretary of the Health Services Union.

  110. There is a new word that everyone is using. swirling. The description of group think is not far from the mark. I must add, that every writer for the Telegraph has the PM dead and buried. Some are saying she will not last the day out. How that could happen with no caucus meeting is beyond me.

    Wishful thinking is what driving the trashing of the PM.

    THERE is a strong element of wishful thinking attached to the rumours that have recently begun swirling around business, financial and Labor circles that Wayne Swan will quit politics.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/waynes-world-may-be-ending/story-fnahw9xv-1226336520390

  111. Nas’, Pyne boasts now that he’s been in Parliament for 19 years.

    19 YEARS!
    He was an ‘experienced’ 25 year old when he entered Parliament. What does it say about Liberal preselection processes that they’ve been propping up a yapping poodle for almost two decades?

  112. Milne, it is unconstitutional not have your vote counted. Is Mr. Abbott seriously saying as PM he would prevent a MP from voting. Would he call on the Sergeant at arms to remove the MP.

    ABC24.

    Comments on Clive not far off the

    In terms of the Parliament there is no instability.

    Forest still says he is lodging a case against the mining tax. They are still compiling the papers. It appears this sneaky PM has made it hard.

  113. PIp
    Aye aye aye
    Do you remember bonking this guy? And did you as you do with all your customers, check his identity?

    First Miss ?, your real name?

  114. Pip, maybe that is what I heard. Still a stupid proposition.

    Five years is a long time.

    Maybe they should asked if Mr. Jackson and other officials visited as well.

  115. They are going to come all the way from Victoria to do this. Maybe they just want a weekend away.

  116. Abbott giving another press conference, in Perth, supporting Michaelia Cash, and in the first sentence he’s attacking the carbon tax, followed by an attack on the Prime Minister’s judgement and integrity.

    Carbon tax carbon tax integrity integrity blah blah blah

    No judgement bad judgement blah blah blah

    The Australian public fear the country is in a dark space

    Nothing wrong with our country that a new government can’t fix

    Attacks Oakeshott and Windsor….
    Time for a change blah blah

    Carbon tax mining tax blah blah blah

    change this government repeat repeat.

    No chance unless of a no confidence vote unless Windsor and Oakeshott change their minds.

    Brushed off a question aboutr Clive Palmer

    spin spin spin…

  117. Abbott on again. He does not do deals. Desperation is oozing out of the man’s skin. We have been here many times before.

    Right for Mr. Slipper not to vote. It is right for Mr. Thompson not to vote. No, Mr. Abbott, it is different, Mr. Slipper cannot vote as Speaker, which he still is.

    Cut the interview short once again. They are beginning to ask questions. Maybe his experience this morning was enough for one day.

    Clive has to run the gauntlet of the pre election of the branch. In other words, he is not wanted.

  118. Pip and Cu

    Abbott was asked about the claim of payt to Ashby of $50000. 3 times he ducked the answer, then came out with it must be a labor rumour, but show him the evidence.

  119. O love Mr. Windsor’s rabid dog like Abbott.

    Yap, yap, yap.

    It never ends.

    I hate the thought of strychnine baits, but methinks there are exceptions.

  120. Jane
    I find your commentary immensely amusing, as much for your dogged defence of the indefensible as for your desperate attempts find any excuse to run your own unique Ad hominem attacks upon the Coalition.
    Finally your unflinching faith ion The Gillard government is touching even though its amazingly naive.

  121. ABC24′s Lyndal Curtis just declared that the governmsnt’s problem in not getting the “magical” clear to get their message out to the public is a problem of the government’s own making.

    Unbelievable!

    Does “echoing the Opposition” ring any bells Lyndal?

  122. “MEMBERS of the Victoria Police fraud and extortion squads are expected to visit Sydney brothels and escort agencies this week.”

    There was a small problem with puntuation.

  123. Iain, get lost.

    I do not believe many are that interested in what you have to contribute.

    I sometimes wonder why you come here, as you do not like anything we say.

    Go and do your gloating elsewhere but be aware you might be counting them chickens before they hatch.

  124. Sue, I couldn’t hear the Ashby question, but Abbott’s challenge to show him the evidence should be taken up immediately :lol:

  125. Sue
    what you forget about the brothels in question is that they are actaully legal business and that they would be obliged to keep records of the transactions with their clients, namely who provided what services to whom. Its not like the old days where being a sex worker is so shameful either. If nothing else they would need to know who serviced which client for their payroll especially if they pay per bonk to their workers.

  126. I wrote @ The Political Sword:

    Ad,

    jane, 2353, yer good self and others on here and elsewhere helped me to see things clearer.

    And let’s face it, when the usual suspects are throwing anti-Gillard columns out there this morning in a desperate and shrill way…and Sky News and other Liberal minions are salivating at the prospect of a leadership challenge…going fullbore at trying to manufacture one…ya get the idea of where THE LIGHT is coming from…and it ain’t them…

    so it must be Julia.

    Yes…

    they almost had me yesterday…as the black dog of despair once again took a bite…shook me about.

    But then I saw THE LIGHT.

    Recognised once more the darkness that surrounds the Liberal party under Abbott…the black hole-like Murdoch shadow absorbing them…the mining mogul wraiths screeching above…the religious zealots a hangover from the Dark Ages slithering like snakes in and out of their orifices…the bigotry that walks amongst them like skeleton warriors…the giant xenophobe beetles, mandibles seeking and crushing prey for political purposes…

    I will stand with you Ad…and Gillard and her supporters.

    If we lose this fight…at least we didn’t lose on our knees.
    We will have given the Abbott and Murdoch forces more than a few wounds to think about…and far less room to maneuver…To act out their paranoid, antiquated, deceitful plans.

    If we win. It will be the greatest victory of all.

    N’

  127. Iain and..

    Finally your (Jane’s) unflinching faith ion The Gillard government is touching even though its amazingly naive.

    Can you manage to say anything remotely logical, or address any issues specifically..I will not be holding my breath in this regard.

  128. Pip wrote: What does it say about Liberal preselection processes that they’ve been propping up a yapping poodle for almost two decades?

    Indeed Pip. Pyne is all yap and no bite.

    Looks more desperate and anxious by the day. Haunted in fact.

    N’

  129. Catching up
    Mate do you like to to argue the issues or do you want to just have a mutual bitch session about the cruelty of fate to an other wise “good” government?

    As for chickens I never count them before they have hatched but I recken that if you squint slightly more with your left eye than your right as you look at teh eggs the even you would have to be noticing more than a few of those eggs are already cracked and here and there we can see some beaks in evidence.

  130. Nas’ et al, there is something quite desperate about the latest call for a new election. And the reason is certainly ZILCH to do with the welfare of the country.

  131. Iain and:

    or do you want to just have a mutual bitch session.

    Oh dear Iain, are you so frustrated that you must revert to sexist abuse. Someone’s willy warmer isn’t working so well these days..perhaps you’ll have to revert to the fluffy slipper.

  132. CU

    It appears that IH comes a calling at the same time the hysteria mounts for An End To this Illegal Govt. With 10 weeks til the Carbon tax starts expect more of the hysteria.

  133. Min

    Well I did point out that the Labor party and the Greens have far outstripped the Coalition when it comes to peddling fear, and to further advance that argument I suggest that you look no further than the recent election campaign run up here in Queensland, the entire Labor strategy was one big scare and smear campaign, The way that the federal Labor government just Keeps screaming “Abbott Abbott Abbott” when talking about anything is just a huge scare campaign as well (that is backfiring badly on Labor)

  134. Min
    I was of course using the phrase “bitch session” in a totally gender neutral manner meaning of course a conversation of mutual misery and complaint.

  135. Iain, as far as a “fear campaign” in Qld, it seems that it wasn’t..now what was it again that Campbell Newman is planning? Let’s not worry about those pesky koalas..their furry little bodies are nothing more than impediments on the way to progress.

    Ok, so Iain as you are in the know – please explain – WHY is Tony Abbott the best Prime Minister which Australia is ever going to see.

  136. Iain, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt..the term bitch session has only ever meant females or gays.

    Gender neutral? I think not, you’re not that stupid and neither are we.

  137. Min wrote: there is something quite desperate about the latest call for a new election. And the reason is certainly ZILCH to do with the welfare of the country.

    Min,
    it must be eating Abbott and his backers up that the government continues.

    I noticed Abbott almost lost his temper today when talking to reporters. He raced off in order to keep his too oft impetuous mouth in check.

    I imagine he’ll let that lava flow in parliament…we’ll be provided yet another opportunity to watch Abbott do his erupting volcano bit.

    All in the public interest.
    Hmmm…is he willing to pay for the calmative teas, valium and blood pressure pills of the nation?

    N’

  138. Tom @ 11.46am,
    Tom R
    idle speculation, or was it merely an attempt to divert attention from good economic news? (which has now successfully been achieved by the slipperslur)

    The latest diversion began with the “dump” of dirt files to news.con about the Ashby claims; that was an eye-catching week’s worth of diversion.

    As for the rumour that Wayne Swan is leaving Parliament, well, that one one came straight from Peter Costello’s good friend, Niki Savva, a staunch and one-eyed Liberal apologist, one of the many who now haunt the ABC.

  139. Iain, you do not argue issues.

    You are more interested in giving your opinion of us, such as how naive you think we are.

    I am not into bitching, but sometimes you border on it.

    I just find seeing the same thing from you boring.

    Now if you are capable of telling us how and why we are wrong or mistaken, that might be different.

    I am also interested in why you believe Mr. Abbott will make a better PM. That really interests me, as I can find no evidence that he will. What I see of Mr. Abbott, now and in the past, tells me he will be disastrous dor this country.

    Yes. I am very interested in debate but not in been told I am stupid etc.

  140. Sue and Jane, Slagabella was granted probate “last month” according to that article which puts it at December. Any claim has to be made in six months which is around the middle of this year.

    The Coalition figured they’d have devised a way of gaining government before then, too late for Ms Mirabella’s constituents to change their mind about her integrity.

    In any case, the media won’t say too much about it so she’ll be right.
    As with the January article, there will be one story for one day and it’ll be gone!

  141. nasking, Abbott did have a hard time this morning on ABC radio News. He was asked some questions and asked to explain some of his own actions.

    We all know how Mr. Abbott reacts to situations like that.

    Different body language compare to that, when he addresses his right wing groups such IPA.

  142. CU

    I am also interested in why you believe Mr. Abbott will make a better PM. That really interests me, as I can find no evidence that he will. What I see of Mr. Abbott, now and in the past, tells me he will be disastrous dor this country.

    Well for a start he is not going to be leading a government with such a tenuous majority that is held at the behest of either the Greens or the Independents which means that he won’t have to dance to a tune unless it is one to his liking.
    However in reality no one can produce “evidence” of how someone will perform in the the top political job in the country. All that we can do is make some educated guesses based upon someone’s past form. On that score Abbot was a competent minister in the Howard government which is in his favour, He has a good Everyman sort of humility which is likewise a plus, he is not from Labor or the left so he lacks the politics of envy and resentment that plagues the left. Finally come the hour come the man and given just how low that Gillard has moved the bar I can’t see how that Abbott could be worse than the current incumbent.

  143. Cu, there was a distinct element of serious journalism in that interview, and
    Tony Abbott was out of his comfort zone.

    There should be more of that on the ABC but there’s no point in even watching commercial stations other than to observe their absolute support for the Coalition.

  144. Nas’ @11.57am, agree 100%.

    Iain, as usual, you evade the point. It will be interesting if Liealot is convicted and the winner goes for his throat. I suppose you’ll be shelling out to help him raise the money.

    I find your refusal to acknowledge the truth rather pathetic.

    Without the Murdochracy covering up Lielaot’s brain farts, lies and general incompetence to run a chook raffle, let alone a country he would now be languishing in a dustbin somewhere rending his smugglers.

    You’ve been provided with plenty of evidence of his and the Liars Party’s incompetence, stupidity and mendacity. You have the truth, I don’t particularly care if you’re incapable of recognising it; you are a creature of the Liars Party after all.

    It seems the old foreigner’s empire could be crumbling and with it Liealot’s safety net.

    Min @1.16pm, you’ll notice Iain’s comments only repeat Murdochracy and Liars Party talking points. It seems that’s his only evidence-repeating the lies spruiked by the MP with the defamation charge hanging over his head.

    Apparently, having 4 of your political party of choice either convicted of assault or with charges ranging from defamation, misleading and deceptive conduct and stealing an Alzheimer’s sufferer’s estate is of no concern whatever. What integrity, what moral fibre….for a Mafia Don, I suppose.

    But Iain is happy to be represented by criminals, which of course is his choice. It does raise questions about his judgement though, although he seems to think it’s evidence of sound judgement. Shades of 1984.

    Peddling fear-”We’ll all be rooned if we have a stimulus!”
    “We’ll all be rooned if we keep people working!”
    “Thousands will lose their jobs and we’ll all be rooned if Gina, Twiggy and Clive have to pay some tax!”
    “The world as we know it will end if * and we’ll all be rooned!”
    “The IMF says Australia has the strongest economy in the developed world.” “No we haven’t!!! We’re going the way of Greece!!”

    *Insert Liars Party talking point of choice

    In fact Iain and the rest of the barrackers remind me of this:

  145. Iain, this is an legitimate government under the constitution, It has got in a budget through and is in the process of presenting it’s second.

    It has been functioning, as government should.

    It is getting all it’s legislation through with little trouble.

    The economy is faring well.

    Policies for the future are being put in place.

    The government represents the 58% of voters who voted.

    The only nigger in the wood pike is Mr. Abbott; who has refused to accept he lost the last election.

    We had Mr. Howard with a big majority. That was not good government.

    I do not believe that Mr. Abbott was a competent minister in any portfolio he held,

    Mr. Hockey also does not seem to like being asked questions. ABC 24

    The only evidence of have seen of the politics on envy lately have been from the top down. I am sure we are going to hear next how unfair that the low paid get benefits that they do not.

    We have had this argument before, so that is all I am going to say.

    It is the perception of the PM that is bad. When one takes the time to look and listen, the perception is misleading.

    Just look at the Murdoch press today. Every writer has written about the demise of the PM and how bad she is.

    There are many good stories, but they are ignored. Have to be, the allow the false perception to survive.

    Me. Abbott cannot allow the PM one success.

  146. “You can’t honestly expect the Media to turn a blind eye to all of the faults of this governemnt now can you?”

    Yes, I do expect the media to do as you say. I also expect them to report the positives.

    Where we differ, I also expect for the media to treat Mr. Abbott’s failures, and there are many in the same manner.

    I also expect Mr. Abbott to be questioned and challenged.

    This does not happen.

  147. Iain, ok. Labelled 1-10 what are the faults of this government.

    Apparenly, it’s not the ‘actual’ faults Min, it is the ‘perception’ of them.

    Something I agree the Government has a real issue with. But it is something that has been created by a barrage of lies and misinformation from the media

  148. Iain wrote about Abbott:
    He has a good Everyman sort of humility which is likewise a plus, he is not from Labor or the left so he lacks the politics of envy and resentment that plagues the left.

    LOL…

    Yes, Tony is just yer everyman…an ordinary bloke…kissing the butt of THE BOSS:

  149. Hello good folk.

    This is indeed embarrassing. I put up a topic then do not find the time to engage in the wonderful debate. Some of you might say it has been better because of my absence (I glance at Tom R). :mrgreen:

    My apologies nonetheless.

    Again I must dash. My car lease has expired and my new car is ready for pick up. I’ve decided to get myself a hoon car.

    Tonight I’ll be hooning. :)

  150. BTW, Nas it’s good to see you punching again after yesterday’s despondency. We need you throwing punches. One day one of them might knock some sense into a right winger. ;-)

  151. Miglo, do you believe that he is capable of miracles. I believe you are asking the impossible.

    It is good to see him back.

    The PM has upset them again. The disability insurance is to start next year.

    Another job for the demolisher.

    Enjoy your new car. One only has the scent for a little time.

  152. Tom, I’ve been asking myself, “who the hell does he think he is, ordering you about?”

    Doesn’t matter, i have some reading material for Iain to absorb.

    Why do journalists have so much difficulty being objective?
    http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/default.aspx

    I expect him to read to the end otherwise he’ll be tempted to cherry-pick the msleading headlines as the best bits.

  153. The one thing I cannot understand why this is a tainted government that depends on a tainted vote.

    Mr. Thompson has not been charged or convicted of any crime.

    This is in spite of allegations made three years ago, by one official, who does not appear to have support of the union.

    One who herself is under suspicion.

    There have been up to seven investigations. Three I believe clearing him.

    The same goes for Mr. Slipper. Many allegations made over years. Not one charge.

  154. While other news outlets are echoing the Opposition and spinning about a no confidence motion there is a stand alone piece which has a more honest slant.

    Let Gillard do her job as PM, says Wilkie
    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8459546

    Federal independent MP Andrew Wilkie says he would not support a no-confidence motion in the Gillard government over its handling of the Craig Thomson and Peter Slipper affairs.

    Mr Wilkie says Prime Minister Julia Gillard has made the right call on both members, although she should have suspended Mr Thomson earlier.

    “The prime minister has the numbers currently and she should be allowed to get on and run the country,” Mr Wilkie said on Monday after attending a Hobart rally for the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

    “If the opposition think there’s a question of the parliament’s confidence in the prime minister or the government they should bring on a no-confidence motion and stop talking about it.

    “At this exact point in time I would not support it.”

  155. Andrew Wilkie on the Craig Thomson matter :-

    t makes perfect sense to me why someone who has a cloud over their head would be put on the crossbench,” Mr Wilkie said.

    “But it makes no sense to me to then say his vote doesn’t count.

    “He has been elected to the House of Representatives fairly. He is entitled to sit in the House of Representatives and it is entirely proper that we accord him a presumption of innocence until proven guilty.”

    Maybe Wilkie has realised that it is not a good look to be seen to be supporting Mr Abbott’s unconstitutional stance.

  156. Tom R, one can start making replies before he gets back. We all know what the list is going to be. It will start off with “she lied”

    On ch10, breakfast, this morning one young lady wisely said that the PM was a effective PM but the public perception of her was bad.

    Of course she was howled down by the males on the panel.

  157. I don’t agree that Tony Abbott will be using any `Scare Tactics’ at the next election. The Labor government have been in self-destruct mode since 2007 and resemble a trainwreck happening in slow motion. So Tony Abbott does not have to do anything – the Labor government are very effectively destroying their own electoral credibility and he just has to sit back and watch and eventually just slide into power. Lemmings and cliffs spring to mind whenever I think of the Labor Govt.

  158. ““At this exact point in time I would not support it.”

    Mr Abbott is claiming that Mr Wilkie will support such a mooting.

    Mr. Abbott will not bring it on, as he does not have the numbers.

    This is a serious motion, which will backfire on anyone that fails.

    That is why he has not attempted it up to now,. He has not got the guts.

    There is big award there for some journalist with the intelligence and guts to blow what is going on, wide open.

    They will be doing the nation a favour. Then we can return to decent politics.

    Like sport, when the core becomes rotten, because of cheats, that will do anything to win.

  159. “Cu, there’s “illegitimate government”, and lately “stench” and “tainted”.and the list is long and goes back to the day after the 2010 election.

    It must keep the slogan department awfully busy.

    I never watch those beakfast shows, who are the males on Channel 10?

  160. Abbott on ABC 24 NDIS. He is doctor yes. Maybe so, but the train has left the station, he has missed it.

    Curtis. Media Convergent Review.

  161. Cu,
    as Ashghebranious said

    The coalition and some media commentators say that the Prime Minister’s position is untenable. Oh really? How exactly? Tony Abbott says he has no confidence in the Prime Minister but he also has no plans to put a no confidence motion on the table. Where I was taught logic, that means Abbott has no confidence in his own no confidence motion.

    http://ashghebranious.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/karma-chameleon/

  162. Jarl. once again, the media and the Opposition have been saying that the PM is in self destruct mode. They have been saying that for two years, the lady is still there.

    What one sees, when one takes a close look, is a very effective and productive government, in spite of the noise around it.

    What one finds is a stable and one of the best economies in the world.

    What one sees is much reformist legislation.

    What one finds is the infrastructure being laid down for the future.

    What one finds is a decrease in spending and taxation.

    Very self destructive. Very unstable.

  163. Pip, you do not get it. The PM is suppose to fall in a heap and self destruct.

    That is not going to happen with this woman. She will be still standing because she has strength and guts. The PM does not need anyone to do her dirty work.

    No matter what happens at the nest election, she has already done enough to be not forgotten.

  164. iain Hall, I expect the msm to report on both the government and opposition truthfully and objectively. They have done neither, I suspect on Rupert’s orders.

    The way things are going for him, this will be his last bastion. I trust it will fall and we may at last have an msm wich will do as it ought to do. Report the news truthfully and objectively.

    I think the government would be well advised to introduce the same sort of laws they have in Canada-ie no liying when reporting the news.

    That’s why Rupert doesn’t have a toe hold in Canada,despite the (Conservative) PM doing everything in his power to let the Great Liar in.

    I don’t want to see or hear opinion, straight out lies and political bias served up as news. Dolt is a prime example; he published his opinion piece full of lies, distortions, innuendo and malevolence.

    Unfortunately for him he was exposed as the dishonest gutless liar he is. Then he had the gall to snivel that he’d been denied freedom of speech, backed up by guess who?

    The same person who has recently announced that he would rescind laws which make it illegal to villify people on the grounds of race, religion and ethnicity.

    People are quite entitled to tell lies, but they must be made to make it plain that they are dressing up opinion, lies, dishonesty and barracking as fact.

  165. I’m still waiting.

    Tony Abbott is the best thing which will ever happen to Australia because:

    1-10.

    I would be content with 1-5..however not once, not one single time have I ever read/heard anything specific about how Tony’s vision for Australia excels.

    He’s going to do precisely what? What? When? How? Nobody knows…

  166. Jane, that one is not going to happen. Tony rescind laws..which basically means that he will make it legal to vilify a person based on their race. It isn’t going to happen because all States’ legislation mirror federal legislation which would put the States at odds with Federal. And as we know any contradictions between States and Federal result in years and years of High Court challenges. Basically, it’s a wank and isn’t going to happen.

  167. Jane

    Iain Hall, I expect the msm to report on both the government and opposition truthfully and objectively. They have done neither, I suspect on Rupert’s orders.

    As laudable as this desire may be is it at all realistic to think that there is such a thing as “objective truth”? All news sources have some sort of bias or leaning in the way that they report events. So just what “objective truth” for you Jane?
    I reckon that no two people will define “objective truth” exactly the same.

    The way things are going for him, this will be his last bastion. I trust it will fall and we may at last have an msm wich will do as it ought to do. Report the news truthfully and objectively.

    I think the government would be well advised to introduce the same sort of laws they have in Canada-ie no liying when reporting the news.

    You face the same sort of problem of defining “objective truth” and “Lying” for the purposes of legislation, as well as it being a honey-pot for vexatious litigation.

    That’s why Rupert doesn’t have a toe hold in Canada,despite the (Conservative) PM doing everything in his power to let the Great Liar in.

    Its more likely that there is not enough profit it the Canadian market

    I don’t want to see or hear opinion, straight out lies and political bias served up as news. Dolt is a prime example; he published his opinion piece full of lies, distortions, innuendo and malevolence.

    which piece are your referring to here Jane?

    Unfortunately for him he was exposed as the dishonest gutless liar he is. Then he had the gall to snivel that he’d been denied freedom of speech, backed up by guess who?

    The same person who has recently announced that he would rescind laws which make it illegal to vilify people on the grounds of race, religion and ethnicity.

    Anti vilification laws are problematic at best especially when they are used to stifle legitimate debate about topics of public interest.

    People are quite entitled to tell lies, but they must be made to make it plain that they are dressing up opinion, lies, dishonesty and barracking as fact.

    That is just naive nonsense Jane

  168. Actually, Murdoch doesn’t own any media in Canada. The Canadian laws deal with a dishonest press, hence Murdoch has no business there.

    That says a lot, really.

  169. CU @5.12pm, thanks for the link. I wrote a comment and it was as I was writing it, I realised the PM has pulled another stroke!

    It’s not a terrible blunder which has her on the ropes.

    If we think about it, Thomson and Slipper will no longer be sticks to beat the government with.

    They are now Independents and as such, Liealot will no longer have them as oxygen for his relentless attacks on the government. No more referring to Thomson as the Member for the HSU. It can’t hurt the govenment anymore.

    And better still, the government gets their votes and Liealot is still no closer.to the thing he craves most.

    F*cken genius! Once again, this PM has demonstrated her political mastery and subtlety. She’s not a beaten, broken failure, she’s a f*cken legend!

    She’s in a class of her own!!! No one’s odds are shortening to knock her off!!

    She’s left those idiots in the commentariat and the Liars in her dust, to choke on the fact that she’s out manouervered them yet again and they’re all too bloody stupid to realise it. Punches the air!!!!

    It’s even better than when we’ll beat the Tingles in the next Showdown, Migs!!

    Nas’ be of good cheer. This PM is in it for the long haul and she ain’t beaten by a long chalk.

    BTW, how’s S’ and your dad?

    Bacchus is Mrs Bacchus refreshed and raring to go after your sojourn?

  170. Min
    Only time will tell if Tony Abbott will be the best PM ever but there is no doubt that he will be better than the current resident in the lodge
    1/ Tony Abbott is not a member of the ALP
    2/Tony Abbott is not a member of the Greens
    3/Tony Abbott will repeal the Carbon tax and all ancillary legislation
    4/ Tony Abbott will stop the boats
    5/Tony Abbott will have a very workable majority in the house
    I could go on and on but I have to serve dinner to my family now ;)

  171. Min

    Iain is so cool he is so like Tony, and quotes to all at the Cafe the full depth of policy and leadership and vision that Tony has displayed day in and day out to the electorate..

    Here him cry :
    Stop the Boats
    Stop the Boats

    Here him sob:
    Give me the lodge
    Give me the Lodge

  172. Iain and Anti vilification laws are problematic at best especially when they are used to stifle legitimate debate about topics of public interest.

    The thing about vilification legislation is the word “incitement”, that is one can express an opinion but one cannot LIE, nor can one incite others to hatred.

    Bolt was found guilty on all charges.

    Bolt’s defence case was that it was legitimate debate, it was not and of course anyone with any sort of working knowledge would realise that legimate debate is permitted. The Blot lied, had most of his “facts” wrong – he was convicted.

  173. Iain,

    I will discount points 1 and 2 as being just plain stupid.

    Repeal the carbon tax? It’s etched in concrete. He won’t be able to.

    Tony stop the boats. I await with great anticipation as to your explanation of how he’s going to do this.

    Tony might have a majority in the House of Reps but the Greens will still control the Senate.

    But let’s look at this. It’s all about what Tony WON’T DO. What about what Tony will do?

  174. Min
    it was a civil case and not a criminal matter so there is no “conviction” at all and the judgement was by no means as conclusive as you are claiming.

  175. I expect the msm to report on both the government and opposition truthfully and objectively.
    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Oh, you were serious
    :shock:

    Tony Abbott is the best thing which will ever happen to Australia because:

    1-10. He isn’t PM :)

  176. Iain, you have given us your list.

    Now we need the why and how.

    We also need to know what has to happen for Mr. Abbott is in the position to catty out anything.

  177. Min

    Iain,

    I will discount points 1 and 2 as being just plain stupid.

    No in Electoral terms both 1 & 2 are on the money because both Labor and teh Greens are on the nose with the majority of teh people outside the Latte belt

    Repeal the carbon tax? It’s etched in concrete. He won’t be able to.

    He will Min because he must. If its blocked in the senate he will go fro a DD but I expect that Labor will not try to stop it being repealed after the drubbing that they will get at the election, largely because of the Carbon tax. They will just be keen to put the whole stupid thing behind them for ever.

    Tony stop the boats. I await with great anticipation as to your explanation of how he’s going to do this.

    Fairly simple, deny all boat arrivals permanent residency and family reunion , even if they meet the refugee criteria, promptly deport all failed claimants. this give people smugglers no product to sell

    Tony might have a majority in the House of Reps but the Greens will still control the Senate.

    You forget that the ALP will be so demoralised that they won’t stand up for the tax that has killed them in the house.

    But let’s look at this. It’s all about what Tony WON’T DO. What about what Tony will do?

    Good governance is the key, its something that has been sadly lacking under Labor as it has lurched from one gaff or disaster to another

  178. Iain and:

    Min
    it was a civil case and not a criminal matter so there is no “conviction” at all and the judgement was by no means as conclusive as you are claiming.

    Iain, I think that you are a little confused. One can be just as easily convicted of a civil matter as one can be convicted of a criminal matter. I think that you are getting confused with suing in tort.

  179. Iain, I just read your comment.

    You miss my point completely. I didn’t mention objective truth. My desire is that news be reported truthfully and objectively.

    I think it’s entirely possible to report the news objectively and truthfully. Objective truth is a peculiar thing to say. The truth is the truth; objectivity is not injecting your biases, but remaining neutral.

    Min has given excellent examples of subjectivity when she points out the disparity between headlines and the content of a report. Most people read the headline and don’t bother with the content because they assume the content will reflect the headline.

    As for Canada, Rupert made application for a license and it was rejected under Canadian law.

    Your argument about the size of the Canadian market doesn’t really hold water as the population of Canada at 34,108,752 is a third larger than Australia’s approx 22 million; well worth getting his tentacles into, I would have thought.

    Andrew Bolt. I think you are being disingenuous wrt the class action taken and won, against him. His article was a tissue of lies from start to finish. Freedom of speech bollocks! It was a work of fiction, nothing else.

    He lied about the women’s ethnicity, their upbringing, education and in one case even the identity of her father!

    Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to lie and defame. Dolt is a liar, a tout and an urger. He has zero credibility.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/andrew-bolt-x-racial-vilification-court-case/story-e6frg996-1226148919092

    Now Liealot, no doubt to curry favour with the bogan vote has vowed to rescind legislation which would allow creatures like Dolt to publish such inflammatory lies without fear of being held to account.

    Anti villification laws do not stifle legitimate debate; they do however, prevent creatures like Dolt from playing to the redneck element by publishing outright lies in a bid to oppress certain groups in our society.

    It is you who is either naive or deliberately obtuse. i’m hard pressed to determine which.

  180. This is what Tony is promising – a DD election sometime following. I suggest that you read Antony Green for data pertaining to DD triggers.

    Therefore even IF Tony does somehow procure a DD election, Australians are well known for not wanting to hand ALL POWER to one particular political party. The last time that we did, Howard brought in WorkChoices.

    Therefore in the interim Tony will have to work with the Greens in Senate.

    Re “Fairly simple, deny all boat arrivals permanent residency and family reunion , even if they meet the refugee criteria, promptly deport all failed claimants. this give people smugglers no product to sell.”

    Sorry, haven’t you read the last two High Court rulings?

    All failed claimants have been deported for several decades, why you think that they’re not is a clear indication of your ignorance in this matter.

    “Good governance”..a trite meaningless phrase.

  181. Iain, all I am seeing is will be.

    That at the best is your opinion.

    The one thing he and we have to do, to believe he will stop the boats, is to ignore the experts. The boats will stop coming when conditions change, as they have in the past.

    Getting control of the senate can take years. There is a extreme outside chance he could do it earlier.

    To so, it will be two to three elections at least. It will put the houses out of sync, leading to more elections.

    While he plays these games, business plans are put on hold,

    Maybe business might decide what they have now is the lesser of two evils.

    Then he is going to bring in his Direct Action Plan which is more expensive and less efficient. Which will cost the taxpayer, not the polluters.

    Most business with their wits about them, are already up dating to use less electricity.and energy.

    Most have found it is not that hard.

    Surprisingly, there has been little reported waste under Gillard.

    The waste under Rudd was greatly exaggerated.

    We have inherited from Howard a wasteful and inefficient scheme for the care of the age.

    This government has changed this situation.

    They have reformed the inefficient child care, also another of Howard’s failures.

    What Mr. Abbott has proved he will not be good at. That is dealing with overseas countries. His comment on what he is going to tell the Indonesia to do is proof of that. If not just recall all the speeches he has made in the presence of visiting heads of state.

    I think I might have misunderstood what Mr. Windsor said. It could have been rabbit dog, not rabid dog.

    I

  182. Correction: “Good governance”..a trite meaningless phrase. Unless it is backed up by action, and plans of how to enact good governance. To date, Tony has refused to provde details except that he will pay millionaire mums to have babies, that he will pluck a Green Army out of nowhere, and that he will turn the boats around by the sheer force and power of lyrca.

  183. The PM has never been accuses of bad governance.

    The PM has only been accused of having no vision and not getting her message across.

    The PM has also been accuse of having no political nous.

    Oh, and that one great big lie, which means one cannot trust her.

    Many journalist will acknowledge she has delivered on policy but the but always comes, but she cannot get her message out.

  184. Iain, can you tell me how he is going to cut taxes, give more to the middle and upper income earners and balance the budget.

    How is he going to fill up his big black hole.

    How is raising taxes, gel with lowering taxes.

    The levy to increase the maternity leave of woman earning up to 150.00 for six months.

  185. I forgot, where is he going to find land to plant those millions of trees that he proposes to plant. Has he found a way of growing trees in the deserts.

  186. I’m still confident we can dump Julia and replace her with a charismatic leader who will abandon the tax before its implemented.

    If that’s possible?

  187. You forget that the ALP will be so demoralised that they won’t stand up for the tax that has killed them in the house.

    iain where do you get this shit? Boys Own Annual?

    Don’t be too cocksure about the carbon price. I’m prepared to lay a wager that Liealot will fall flat on his face wrt the carbon pricing scheme.

    And don’t forget the increased tax free threshold, plenty of sheeples are going to love that.

    do you honestly think Liealot will be able to get away with treating asylum seekers as you suggest? The High court would soon put a stop to that.

    <blockquote.Good governance is the key,….

    Bwwwaaahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! So you’re not talking about a liars government, tHEN?

    Have you seen The Castle? Remember the line “Tell him he’s dreamin’”?

    Tom R @7.34pm, well you can dream! Hopefully, my dream will come to fruition and iain’s won’t. Come to think of it, Iain is wishing a nightmare on the whole country.

  188. El gordo, and why is charisma so important to you? You want the big polluters to keep on polluting without having to pay a brass razoo. Irrespective of the climate change issue which you don’t believe in ‘cos CO2 is just harmless gas, should the big polluters just trot on their merry way and never have to pay?

  189. Migs, I don’t think it’s me Iain has to fear. It’s Min when she gets the bit between her teeth.

    The PM has also been accuse of having no political nous.

    See my comment above @7.11pm. She’s got the stuff in spades as I explain. Hit me like a bolt of lightning.

  190. Cu and..

    I forgot, where is he going to find land to plant those millions of trees that he proposes to plant. Has he found a way of growing trees in the deserts.

    Let’s not forget the dummy spit from the Nats who said No Way are they going to support any planting of those pesky tree things if they might interfer with agricultural pursuits. As a result Tony watered down his policy (to coin a phrase) to mean somewhere on nature strips or somefin’…oh yes, and on non viable farmland.

    Maybe there is a reason that this land isn’t viable..it’s because things don’t grow there…but of course Tony can grow things there, just the same as he can turn the boats around.

  191. Migs, I don’t think it’s me Iain has to fear. It’s Min when she gets the bit between her teeth.

    Jane, he might need to practice on you first. He doesn’t want to mess with Min. :mrgreen:

  192. Recall the OUTRAGE when Gillards media adviser advised of where tabot was on Australia Day?

  193. But Tom..haven’t you been reading, according to Iain and el gordo et al there are no double standards in Australia’s media.

    I think that Mr Denmore is being a little on the conservative side, try a good month of outrage.

  194. So Sky let Morris get away with saying the PM should be kicked to death. what is with Morris/Jones types that are allowed to say such disgraceful things about our PM. And add to that Abbott who refers to the PM in a demeaning way of “she”.

    How come it hasn’t headlined in any newspaper? what double standards, what crass, nasty, demeaning pathetic little twerps.

    And aren’t they scared at how tough under pressure Julia Gillard PM is.

    Go Julia

  195. Min, in response to Mr Denmore, I’m sure Abbott and the media will demand a call to arms. They will want blood.

    And a new election.

  196. And add to that Abbott who said that the PM should have a target on her head

    Yea pyney, Labor are making politics toxic

  197. It appears the HSU did not have any rules to break, Therefor Mr. Thompson could not be guilty of a crime. Mr. Thompson did say, back in what seems a lifetime away, that the reason he became so unpopular with some in the HSU, was when he took over, he set out to clean the union up.

    Annabel pointed out on the Drum, that the fact that the PM has got the NDIS to this stage, reinforces the great skills of this PM top putt together the states and stakeholders in such a short time.

    I think that may have something to do with good governance.

    The PM has done like in education and health.

    The likes of Iain so not realise, the PM is a doer, not a talker.

    There is much going on in the government each day. Earlier I gave a list, I would like to add that Mr. Shorten was occupied in applying for a Administrator for the HSU. The headlines are not true. One has not yet been appointed. One realises this when one reads the body of the story. Mr. Shorten has said it could be possible that they will not get a administrator.

    The Tremby report was not about Mr. Thompson. It was about the HSU. Therefore Mr. Thompson’d name was not mentioned.

    I still have not seen any evidence bought forward that would support the belief of some, that Mr. Abbott will make a better PM than Ms. Gillard. I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe he would even make a good one.

    We have had some shocker PM’s that had huge majorities. A large majority bought out the worse in Mr. Howard.

    It is my belief that minority governments, or governments that do not have majority in the senate, produce better legislation.

    Mr. Abbott has chosen to go down the route of continuous stunts and negativity, instead of using his time to review and offer amendments to the legislation that has gone through since the last election.

    This nation has never seen a budget go through the parliament so quickly and with so little review from the Opposition.

    This in itself is unbelievable. Mr. Howard did not have it so easy with his control of both houses.

    Does one notice with all the activity going on, the PM appears to be on top of everything her ministers are dealing with.

    This is unlike Mr. Abbott, who appears to be able to only deal with one thing at a time.

  198. I’m here Cu. I’m working my way through the user manual, which I need a degree to get through.

    Cars used to have buttons, knobs and dials. These days that have computers with which you set all your default settings.

    Here’s a doozie for you: you can program the music to play louder as you accelerate or to play softer while you’re sitting at traffic lights. Rest assured that I’m not bothering with that one.

  199. Well Miglo, they got those instructions wrong. It is a fact that at traffic lights the music must be louder so everyone can hear.

  200. And operated by a self proclaimed cool dude with a fag hanging out of his mouth, dark sunnies, baseball cap on backwards, tattooed neck, tapping on steering wheel, face transfixed in mirror.

    Left at the lights eating my dust.

  201. I must say, Mr. Ulhmann does get upset when the likes of Mr. Emerson does not give the answers he is expecting.

    Migs, just make sure you know where the brakes are for the time being.

    That was some turnout of the disabled.

    Mr. Abbott will have to wok hard to con that lot.

    They have had a lifetime of promises and being conned. Also they will not go away.

    Mr. Abbott agenda in wanting bi-partisanship is for one reason only, to delay it as long as he can. The only comment you will hear, is that the productivity Commission had a longer time frame. Mr. Abbott needs that for budget reasons.

  202. Cu, Abbott had to get in on the NDIS rally to compete with the Prime Minister imo, and while he was there Hockey was putting the idea in the “not gonna happen” basket.

  203. The private polling must be saying this one is important, as Mr. Abbott is afraid to rubbish it.

    He needs to delay it as long as he can. The lady with no political nous has outsmarted him once again,

    That says something for his skills.

    Carers and disabled people are right across the political spreeing.

    The undermining has already begun.

  204. Yes Cu, the undermining continues apace.

    It was the same when the major reform to Aged Care was announced.

    7.30 headlines ran in this order on the day that another major reform,
    the NDIS was announced:-

    Government enters crisis management mode

    Minister responds to talk of Labor crisis

    States in the dark over National Disability Insurance Scheme

    Former Reserve Bank Governor bemoans state of politics and inequity

  205. Cu @ 12.22am, across the media, they all begin with “the government defends” whatever !

    7.30 was just as original here:-

    Trade Minister Craig Emerson defends the Government’s handling of both Craig Thomson and Peter Slipper over separate issues.

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3492319.htm

    Being interviewed by Uhllman and Alberici must be like trying to to talk sense to a radio!

  206. Min @7.57

    Iain, I think that you are a little confused. One can be just as easily convicted of a civil matter as one can be convicted of a criminal matter. I think that you are getting confused with suing in tort.

    I’m not confused at all in a civil matter you either win or lose you are not convicted or acquitted.

    Jane

    You miss my point completely. I didn’t mention objective truth. My desire is that news be reported truthfully and objectively.

    I think it’s entirely possible to report the news objectively and truthfully. Objective truth is a peculiar thing to say. The truth is the truth; objectivity is not injecting your biases, but remaining neutral.

    No you miss MY point, which may be because I am making a philosophical argument about the nature of both “objectivity” and “truth” which says that neither are truly able to be realised because when it comes to politics both are profoundly dependant upon just how you define the terms.

    Min has given excellent examples of subjectivity when she points out the disparity between headlines and the content of a report. Most people read the headline and don’t bother with the content because they assume the content will reflect the headline.

    Your argument falls down because you are assuming a couple of things here, firstly that each news report exists in a kind of information vacuum where as they are in fact part of a much larger whole and secondly that the public are just sheep being led around by and evil and manipulative media. You are wrong on both counts In this day and age very few people only have one source of information, and the relationship between the media and the public is far more symbiotic than directive.

    As for Canada, Rupert made application for a license and it was rejected under Canadian law.

    Your argument about the size of the Canadian market doesn’t really hold water as the population of Canada at 34,108,752 is a third larger than Australia’s approx 22 million; well worth getting his tentacles into, I would have thought.

    I was only speculating about the Canadian market and my speculation was based upon the ability to make a profit there not the number of Canadians

    Andrew Bolt. I think you are being disingenuous wrt the class action taken and won, against him. His article was a tissue of lies from start to finish. Freedom of speech bollocks! It was a work of fiction, nothing else.

    Oh please Jane don’t be so disingenuous, the case found that eh had made some minor errors of fact about the ancestry of some of the individuals involved and the fact that they won no damages against Bolt is far more significant As is the fact that in the court of public opinion “anti vilification” as a concept is now in the toilet and seen to be the cause of vexations litigation.

    He lied about the women’s ethnicity, their upbringing, education and in one case even the identity of her father!

    The problem for those of your ilk is that you don’t appreciate the nuances between making errors ,and making deliberately false statements. That said Bolt is right about the ridiculousness of anyone claiming a particular ethnicity when that person has only a small part of their ancestry from it, in particular when to do so offers some perceived advantage.

    Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to lie and defame. Dolt is a liar, a tout and an urger. He has zero credibility.

    The thing is the case was not one claiming that Bolt had defamed anyone, it was about the “hurt feelings” of the claimants because they knew that to prove defamation was a much higher legal hurdle to get over and that their case would not succeed if it was brought under defamation law. As for Bolt’s credibility, I think that outside your own Latte soaked circle its as high as ever.

    Now Liealot, no doubt to curry favour with the bogan vote has vowed to rescind legislation which would allow creatures like Dolt to publish such inflammatory lies without fear of being held to account.

    Frankly the laws of defamation are more than adequate when it comes to controlling excesses of commentators in the media as they are about actual harm rather than just “hurt feelings” when someone’s conceits are challenged.

    Anti vilification laws do not stifle legitimate debate; they do however, prevent creatures like Dolt from playing to the redneck element by publishing outright lies in a bid to oppress certain groups in our society.

    This where you are wrong Jane. As well intentioned as Anti vilification laws maybe the reality is that they end up being used to shut up debate about important issues like how we define who is indigenous.Or if we should have any laws, obligations or privileges that have a racial prerequisite in an age where “race “n is not supposed to matter.

    It is you who is either naive or deliberately obtuse. i’m hard pressed to determine which.

    Well the correct choice is neither Jane I am simply someone who does not share your preconceptions , prejudices or world view.

    MIN

    Therefore in the interim Tony will have to work with the Greens in Senate.

    The Greens are only significant when they are aligned with Labor in the senate and as I say you should not assume that after the devastating defeat that is coming for Team Labor that they will further trash their brand by repudiating the clear mandate taht Abbott will have to remove the Carbon tax et al.

    Re “Fairly simple, deny all boat arrivals permanent residency and family reunion , even if they meet the refugee criteria, promptly deport all failed claimants. this give people smugglers no product to sell.”

    Sorry, haven’t you read the last two High Court rulings?

    I have actaully and the requirements of the UN convention, the latter obliges us t- provide asylum for the duration of threat to the person of the claimant, there is no obligation to provide family reunion, permanent residency or a right to re-enter the country once they leave voluntarily. Likewise the court cases do not rule out third country processing if the rights and safety of the claimants is guaranteed. What is certain is that we are not obliged to provide the immigration outcome that is the foundation stone of the people smuggling business model.

    All failed claimants have been deported for several decades, why you think that they’re not is a clear indication of your ignorance in this matter.

    I said that they should be PROMPTLY deported

    “Good governance”..a trite meaningless phrase.

    No it is an essential element to the good management of any government program because that is the only way that the public will get bang for their buck.

    Catching Up

    The one thing he and we have to do, to believe he will stop the boats, is to ignore the experts. The boats will stop coming when conditions change, as they have in the past.

    The thing about experts is that there are so many and they all have their agendas, that said I agree that the boats will stop given changed conditions and The Coalition will change those conditions to remove the pull factors

    Getting control of the senate can take years. There is a extreme outside chance he could do it earlier.

    See what I have said about the ALP senators post their massive defeat above ;)

    To so, it will be two to three elections at least. It will put the houses out of sync, leading to more elections.

    And the ALP would still be so despised that they would lose all of those elections which is why they will fold rather than go to the barricades for a tax that they never wanted after Julia’s “no carbon tax back-flip.

    While he plays these games, business plans are put on hold,

    Do you know anyone in business CU? anyone at all?? I think not because those that I know tell me that they would rather have anything but the Carbon tax.

    Maybe business might decide what they have now is the lesser of two evils.

    No they think now that Labor/Greens is by far the greater of the evils

    Then he is going to bring in his Direct Action Plan which is more expensive and less efficient. Which will cost the taxpayer, not the polluters.

    Well I hope that he drops that as well to be honest because it certainly does not give a good benefit for the costs involved, its still better than Gillard’s scheme though.

    Most business with their wits about them, are already up dating to use less electricity.and energy.

    All business wan to control costs

    Most have found it is not that hard.

    Sure and I agree that ist a good thing to be energy efficient.

    Surprisingly, there has been little reported waste under Gillard.

    :lol:

    The waste under Rudd was greatly exaggerated.

    :lol: :lol:

    We have inherited from Howard a wasteful and inefficient scheme for the care of the age.

    This government has changed this situation.

    I have said many times that sometimes Labor can have some good ideas

    They have reformed the inefficient child care, also another of Howard’s failures.

    Hmm that is debatable

    What Mr. Abbott has proved he will not be good at. That is dealing with overseas countries. His comment on what he is going to tell the Indonesia to do is proof of that. If not just recall all the speeches he has made in the presence of visiting heads of state.

    What Abbott has proved is that he won’t be a simpering schophant to countries like Indonesia like the Labor government have been.

    Jane

    Iain where do you get this shit? Boys Own Annual?

    Nup from playing chess all of my life and following Aussie politics for nigh on forty years

    Don’t be too cocksure about the carbon price. I’m prepared to lay a wager that Liealot will fall flat on his face wrt the carbon pricing scheme.

    A bottle of red says you are wrong Jane

    And don’t forget the increased tax free threshold, plenty of sheeples are going to love that.

    Sure even I agree that is a good idea and who is to say that a way won”t be found to keep it even when the Carbon tax is consigned to the dustbin of history?

    do you honestly think Liealot will be able to get away with treating asylum seekers as you suggest? The High court would soon put a stop to that.

    I doubt that

    .Good governance is the key,….

    Bwwwaaahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! So you’re not talking about a liars government, tHEN?

    Have you seen The Castle? Remember the line “Tell him he’s dreamin’”?

    Sure I loved the film as well but you seem to misunderstand just what Good governance actaully is. Think about the Pink bats scheme as an example, it was a good idea but hastily designed in its execution and it was badly managed so it ended up being a disaster for Labor. better governance would have made it into a success rather than an expensive failure.

    Tom R @7.34pm, well you can dream! Hopefully, my dream will come to fruition and Iain won’t. Come to think of it, Iain is wishing a nightmare on the whole country.

    No the nightmare is now under Labor and the whole country is hoping it can wake up sooner rather than later

  207. Miglo
    Iain, you’ve been busy this morning.

    That would be because there’s nothing happening in the sandpit. :grin:

  208. Iain, and the last time the Liberals tried denying family reunions we ended up with boat loads of women and children. Remember also the High Court ruling which stated that the Minister as the guardian of Unaccompanied Minors has a duty of care towards those minors. A return to TPVs, expect to see boatloads of children.

  209. Migs,
    I think you’re going to have to take some of the issues brought up by commentors on here and turn them into posts…the comments move so fast important things can get lost.

    N’

  210. Kudos to the team on here for putting up Grahame Morris’ comment…and responses by Possum and Mr. Denmore…bloggers with integrity.

    The Morris business and the pattern of behaviour by Coalition members, Abbott and their supporters deserves a post of its own.

    N’

  211. Iain, we are getting good governance at this very moment.

    The HIP was a resounding success, according to all those who had anything to doi with it.

    It was hastily rolled out due to the GFC to keep people employed. As with the BER, the government had intended to have a more measured roll out of both, but circumstances dictated otherwise.

    Unlike the LIars, who couldn’t give a toss how many people would have lost their jobs, this goverment thought that keepingpeople employed would keep the economy steaming along, and they werre right.

    The only idea the Liars could come up with was giving people tax cuts, crossing their fingers and sitting on their hands. However, tax cuts are completely useless if you haven’t got a job and sitting on your hands with fingers crossed is next to useless when the global economy looks like going down the tubes.

    And it was a great success. Job losses were kept to a minimum, people had the confidence to spend money which kept the economy going.

    Contrary to Liars Party propaganda, the mining industry shed jobs, scaled down their operations and was not responsible for single handedly keeping the country going.

    Unlike other stimulus packages, in Australia it was targetted at the building industry which was looking very wobbly when the GFC hit. and according to disinterested observers like the IMF and other organisations this country was very well served by this government.

    And time and again, the government has been praised for it’s stewardship of the economy, such that the Treasurer was given a accolade and we are now judged to have the fastest growing, best managed economy in the OECD.

    Far from being a government which lurches from disaster to disaster, it has maintained healthy relationships with the Independents and the Greens and has managed to pass 300+ pieces of legislation in 18 months.

    And in complete contrast to what he claimed, the opposition for all its blowhard tactics, showboating and embarrassing photo opportunities with the likes of Alan Jones, has voted to pass the government’s bills.

    So what do we have? An economy that is the envy of the world, low unemployment, low interest rates (consistently lower than the Noalition’s) and low inflation.

    And a government investing in public infrastructure rather than handing out welfare to those least in need of it, a government undertaking the biggest investment in communications in decades, a government prepared to invest in the welfare and future of people with disabilities and their carers, a government prepared to charge big polluters for the pleasure of doing so.

    And it’s already getting results, businesses are looking for ways to reduce their emissions.

    From a link provided by Min (I think) on another thread, an abattoir in Queensland is already investing in green energy to reduce its emissions and lower the carbon price it will have to pay and is hopeful that within approx 3 years it’s emissions will have fallen sufficiently that it will no be under the threshold.

    The added benefit will be in reduced power costs.

    And from patricia we’ve learned that Carnarvon in WA is completely powered by solar energy and returning power to the grid. Electricity bills are a thing of the past.

    Thousands have taken advantage of the various government sponsored solar power deals and are happily enjoying lower power bills. A friend of mine had panels installed last year and hasn’t had a power bill.

    The MRRT is another initiative, which contrary to all the doom and gloom merchants will not roon the mining industry and will keep some of the prifits in this country.

    Other countries are watching with interest and will also be imposing mining taxes. so all the squealing from the big miners and their new best friends, the Liars Party is just so much hot air.

    In retrospect, it might have been better if the government’s actions to insulate us from the GFC weren’t so successful. We mightn’t be the whiny, snotty nosed lot we currently are.

    And it just might do the whingers a bit of good to see what could have so easily been our fate if we hadn’t had a government dedicated to cushioning our well padded backsides from a very hard landing.

  212. Jane and In retrospect, it might have been better if the government’s actions to insulate us from the GFC weren’t so successful. Or done one hell of a lot more boasting about it.

  213. Migs,
    I think you’re going to have to take some of the issues brought up by commentors on here and turn them into posts…the comments move so fast important things can get lost.

    N’

    That’s a good idea, Nas. I had been thinking along those lines following some of the great comments received here.

    It’s something for me to look at tonight. I appreciate your feedback, BTW. I’m always on the hunt for readers’ ideas.

  214. Min, agreed on the boasting, although the msm had had their orders, but if the government had VIGOROUSLY defended their course of action and not allowed the msm to get the bit between their teeth, we probably would have a much different scenario now.

    It just seemed as though they were paralysed and didn’t know how to respond. I do blame Rudd a lot for this.

    He should have jumped hard on the opposition when they accused Peter Garrett of industrial murder and he should have stood by him instead of abandoning and then demoting him.

    I was wild about that; I couldn’t imagine any Labor leader doing such a thing. The worst thing is that it gave legitimacy to their weasel words and cowardice. I can’t forgive Rudd for it.

  215. Min, it gave the msm, the shock jocks and the opposition the go ahead for the open slather we’ve been witnessing.

    If Rudd had had more courage, I doubt we ouwld have seen the likes of that great fat slug Anal Jones endorsing deadly violence against a PM and leader of the Greens, nor would we have the disgraceful disrespect levelled at her, imo.

  216. It’s always worthwhile listening to Senator John Faulkner.

    This is Senator John Faulkner’s address to the 2012 H.V.Evatt Memorial Dinner on April 28

    The price of political fear
    John Faulkner
    April 30, 2012

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-price-of-political-fear-20120430-1xuik.html

    Australia has had for most of our national existence a broad consensus that government should take responsibility to provide a far greater range of services and regulate a far larger number of practices than in many other countries. But in recent years that consensus has begun to deteriorate: instead of belief in the potential of co-operation and the role of government in creating and guiding that collective effort, there is distrust – distrust fuelled by some members of the political class, for their own short term electoral gains.

    Arguing policy, debating national direction, proposing solutions: these take real graft, and success is never guaranteed.

    But the politics of distrust are easy: why challenge your opponent’s ideas when you can instead simply assert your opponent’s illegitimacy?

    Senator Faulkner pointed out that Australia has had 14 minority Federal governments, including a Menzies minority government.

    Australia is now experiencing its 14th period of minority Federal Government since federation. Prime Ministers – Barton, Deakin, Watson, Reid, Fisher, Hughes, Scullin, Menzies, Fadden, Curtin and now, Julia Gillard, all led minority governments.

    We should send this speech to 100 journalists!

  217. Migs,
    yer welcome. I know you and Min are always taking in the comments and coming up with ideas for posts…as are I’m sure yer other superb posters.

    It’s hard work keeping a blog going…and topical.

    This is a top blog for that. It doesn’t just cater to the 24hr news cycle.

    I remember when we used to try and keep on top of all the news…phew! exhausting.

    You’ve done well. Corporations have so many workers and sources and stuff they copy at their disposal.

    And they get paid.

    A round of applause for the hard working volunteers on blogs and social network sites.

  218. Jane I agree that the Labor government Ministers could have boasted more, but most of them speak in an intelligent [non-belligerent] manner which causes the msm to describe PM Gillard and Treasurer Swan as weak.

    The “journailsts” are dead wrong about that and the only way to hide the truth is to drown them out with wall to wall sniping opinion pieces from all manner of “experts”, many of them from right-wing think tanks.

  219. Jane @ 10:29 am…well said.

    Jane also wrote: If Rudd had had more courage, I doubt we ouwld have seen the likes of that great fat slug Anal Jones endorsing deadly violence against a PM and leader of the Greens, nor would we have the disgraceful disrespect levelled at her,

    LOL.

    Jane, I take it you are not fond of Allan Jones and his style of broadcasting. :)

    I see him as a very well-off propaganda machine. And a corporate puppet.

    He’s made more than enough over the years…but like Rush Limbaugh the sound of KERCHING KERCHING flows amidst his grating pontifications…a neverending story of the spruiking know-it-all.

    He’s certainly charitable…and pushes people’s issues…but I guess all of us could afford to be so magnanimous if we were making that kind of moolah.

    You’d think the people would listen more to those who have nothing to gain…who are out there doing work in the public interest for stuff all or nil dosh.

    It’s like we’re in the alternative universe now…we’re the greedy and evil run the show…and the good are seen as bad.

    N’

  220. Nas’, speaking of “news”…. some tweets give a clue about where the ABC/Murdoch Lite stands.

    Mike Kelly MP ‏ @MikeKellyMP

    Excited group in Moruya this morning for the visit with Tanya Plibersek and the announcement of the near $32m for better health services.


    Sabra Lane ‏ @SabraLane

    TAbbott says the coming budget will be a “cook the books” budget. Says if the RBA cuts rates other banks should pass it on to families.


    Joe O’Brien ‏ @joeobrien24

    Abbott: This will be a “cook the books” budget.

    That ‘s right. The Minister for health, Tanya Plibersek announces funding of almost $32 million for better health services, and what do two ABC frontline journalists do….they tweet like galahs about what “Abbott says”.

  221. Competing pedlars are having post budget lunches trying to drum up support

    “Business types will no doubt be keen to hear from the alternative prime minister at the traditional post-budget lunch, held the next day.

    But which alternative PM? For this year brings duelling functions. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott will be bouncing the rubber chicken at traditional Liberal Party haunt the Sydney Sofitel, together with ”his federal parliamentary colleagues”.

    Those colleagues won’t include the member for Wentworth, Malcolm Turnbull, opposition spokesman on telecommunications and how the world should be run.

    The telegenic former opposition leader will be hosting a rival do 800 metres down the road at the Tattersalls Club, featuring Bank of America Merrill Lynch chief economist Saul Eslake and The Australian Financial Review editor-in-chief Michael Stutchbury.

    Turnbull’s people insist they booked their knees-up before they knew the Abbott function was happening.

    ”It’s always hard because the leader’s office doesn’t need as long to get people to RSVP because they’ve got bigger pulling power,” a spokesman said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/mining-magnate-all-at-sea-on-titanic-tasks-20120430-1xv2h.html#ixzz1ta60MZfJ

  222. A worried and increasingly desperate Tony Abbott said angrily to the media today that Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott should “wake up to themselves”.

    Cheeky bugger.

    N’

  223. Pip wrote: That ‘s right. The Minister for health, Tanya Plibersek announces funding of almost $32 million for better health services, and what do two ABC frontline journalists do….they tweet like galahs about what “Abbott says”.

    Unfortunately Pip the national broadcaster has been infected by the Murdoch empire approach to reporting.

    Some of the ABC reporting is factual, balanced, enlightening, informative and top journalism in the public interest.

    Some has devolved into tabloid style muck-raking and acting like an Abbott-led Coalition propaganda machine.

    Sigh.

    The shadow of the Murdochracy reaches out a long way unfortunately.

    N’

  224. Nas at 12:14pm. Thanks, mate, that’s great to hear.

    Everyone here does a great job – authors and bloggers. We’re all excited about having made the final 7 of the best commentary blog in Australia. All have contributed.

  225. Nas’ said,
    Unfortunately Pip the national broadcaster has been infected by the Murdoch empire approach to reporting.

    It’s not just the Murdoch empire approach Nas’. There are numbers of Murdoch staff on the ABC, on the Insiders, and on The Drum.

    Idiot trout-mouths like Joe Hildebrand who poses as a comedian but in reality is a Daily Telegraph hack often appears on The Drum and “jokingly” putd the government in the wrong at every turn.

    Just switched on ABc24 in time to see the end of a presser with Jenny Macklin and without drawing breath there’s EricA betz talking about penalties for
    union directors.

    How can anyone take him as seriously as he takes himself after the Godwin Grech saga, when he spent hours of Senate time banging on whilst in possession of what he believed to be Treasury documents.

    Pots and kettles Eric.

    He’s asked “what line had crossed” that caused the PM to change her mind and stand down Craig Thomson

    For mine it could have been because Thomson lawyers asked the Court for something or other to be suppressed, or, more likely, as she said, that it was about respecting the Parliament.
    Bear in mind that the Slipper affair blew up as the PM was heading overseas.

    EricA says it was because she knew the Temby report was about to be
    released.

    Lyndal Curtis pulled him up, suggesting that he was only guessing but he’ a suspicious character.!

  226. Migs,
    Congrats.

    Pip,
    I do find it odd that the national broadcaster brings in so many Murdoch people for interviews, shows etc.

    Considering how much News Ltd and James Murdoch had criticised them.

    And I don’t see the Murdoch empire and SKY bringing on ABC reporters, guests.

    I don’t understand why the ABC uses public money to spruik the Murdoch empire…that’s what they are doing by promoting these people…some are even promoted on Drum and Q&A promos…it’s not on.

    Surely the ABC has enuff of its own staff?

    And News Ltd has more than enuff money to spruik its own people.

    The Murdoch empire are getting a free ride by the ABC.

    Good points Pip.
    N’

  227. As per Nasking’s suggestion a new post will be up later tonight. Keep your eyes peeled for “Pedlars of Hate”.

  228. Just in..

    The central bank today cut its official cash rate by 50 basis points – twice the amount expected by economists – to 3.75 per cent.

    Today’s reduction, the first by the RBA this year, is the biggest since February 2009 and reflects the bank’s concern that the economy needs an extra shot in the arm.

    And what would Tony Abbott do..lop all growth initiatives of course…

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/rba-slashes-interest-rates-20120501-1xwgg.html#ixzz1taccOAjL

  229. ‘Julia Gillard’s proposal to have Speaker Peter Slipper stand aside has no precedent: it is not authorised under the constitution, does not stop Slipper from collecting his $300,000 pa plus salary, and could end up in farce and another blow to the credibility of the federal Parliament.’

    Peter Reith in The Drum

  230. el grodo, Peter Reith can blow it out his ear.
    Although he’s a permanent fixture at The Drum, make no mistake, he is not an expert on the Constiution.

    No-one who is familiar with Mr. Reith’s connections would expect him to say anything else. He’s promoting the COALition.. that’s all.

  231. Michelle Grattan asking Mr. Swan about the Pyne phone call, and he said that Pyne should make his phone call records available – that shouldn’t be a problem if he has nothing to hide.

    He also said that Tony Abbott hasn’t answered the question of whether any of his staff were involved in the Ashby claim.

  232. on May 1, 2012 at 2:56 pmTom R
    Pyne confirms: I had drinks with Slipper’s accuser

    Tom,
    Verrry interesting.

    I thought Pyne was looking haunted and worried of late.

    N’

  233. It really is a dirty mucky business, and you watch the libs screetch with outrage at this slur put onto them.

  234. From the National Times article:

    Mr Pyne confirms the meeting took place but says he can “not remember” ever having requested Mr Ashby’s mobile number.

    “I don’t remember ever having asked for Mr Ashby’s number,” he said. “I have met Mr Ashby on three occasions, and I have never had any need to phone him.”

    The Liberal Party powerbroker continues to deny he had any prior knowledge of the claims Mr Ashby made in the Federal Court documents or that he had ever had a discussion with the staffer over his concerns about Mr Slipper.

    A source close to Mr Slipper’s office told the National Times that, during the evening of March 19, Mr Ashby revealed personal details to Mr Pyne, a claim Mr Pyne strenuously denies.

    http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/pyne-confirms-i-had-drinks-with-slippers-accuser-20120501-1xweb.html

    Curiouser and curiouser…

    N’

  235. Tom R,
    I predict that oneday Abbott and his cronies will crash to the ground.

    I don’t know how Liberals with integrity can tolerate this slimey lot.

    N’

  236. Mr. Hockey out playing his usual role to talking the economy down. What is new. No way an endorsement of the Gillard government. ABC24. Yes, we cannot let her have a sherrick of praise for what she has achieved.

    Mr. Swan and the PM has never claimed that all in the garden is rosy. The have both warn that the world economy and therefore Australia has to take care.

    So much so, that one has to be extra careful in talking confidence down.

    Also it is also as usual, Everything wrong with the HSU is Mr. Thompson doing, even if that report yesterday has nothing to do with him, as he had no connection to it.

  237. Nas’ @3.18pm and from your link..

    “I don’t remember ever having asked for Mr Ashby’s number,” he said. “I have met Mr Ashby on three occasions, and I have never had any need to phone him.”

    So, how were the meetings organised? Or is Pyne saying that ALL meetings were at Ashby’s instigation…or does it mean that Pyne and Ashby are in email contact with each other.

  238. ‘Nothing here gives credit to the Govt…the Reserve Bank is moving because the Govt has lost control of the economy.’ Joe Hockey.

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    The opposition will always sink lower under a Labor Government ;)

  239. “Mr Slipper was not in his office on the night of the 19th, as he was presiding over an adjournment debate in the House of Representatives.

    After being invited in for a drink, Mr Pyne stayed drinking with Mr Ashby – then a junior media officer in the Speaker’s office – and the other unnamed staffer until after 11pm.

    When Mr Slipper returned to the office, Mr Pyne left.

    Mr Ashby claims in documents lodged with the Federal Court that Mr Slipper walked into his office and said: “Can I kiss you both?” There was no one else present. This is alleged by Mr Ashby to have happened the day after Mr Pyne had a drink with him.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/pyne-confirms-i-had-drinks-with-slippers-accuser-20120501-1xweb.html#ixzz1tapwZtQw

    Wayne Swan said as the Coalition has had plenty to say on Ashby, he Mr Pyne should make available “all his mobile records”

  240. The Victorian government is no friend of public servants…but it does seem to heart fines:

    The Government says it will make $1 billion in savings partially through cutting a further 600 public sector jobs on top of the 3,500 already announced.

    It will also increase fines by 12.5 per cent, take more dividends from water authorities and scrap the first home buyers grant.

    ——-
    Interesting that the MSM worry about private business jobs when they get cut…and anyone losing their job is a sad thing indeed…

    but they sure don’t seem to care about public servants…

    people with families to support, mortgages, rent to pay, food to buy etc.

    Public servants are faceless and EXPENDABLE, DISPOSABLE it seems.

    N’

  241. grodo, Phone Card’s a fine one to talk about credibility.

    Someone should also remind him that Fisher didn’t miss a day’s pay, Liealot’s still collecting his wedge despite the defamation suit against him and so is Edwards. Not one of them has even had the decency to stand aside.

    As for Slagabella…………

    We should send this speech to 100 journalists!

    Pip, we should rub their ignorant noses in it and then take out full page ads in each paper with the list of minority governments.

    And a question-were all these governments not legitimate???

    @12.24pm, I think Gillard’s got a bit of the mongrel about her now, Pip. And so has Swan, I believe.

    Maybe they should get Albo to do the whistle stops. There would be a few msm clutching their throats by the time he got through with them. Penny Wong’s another one who takes no prisoners

    Nas’ @12.31pm, I don’t know how you guessed. :lol:

    They should save a super bag for that jerk!

    @1.33pm, I don’t find it odd, Nas’. the ABC is infested with those types. It’s the price we’re paying for having a Rodent as PM.

    Migs @1.11pm, great news. Have you been slipping the judges a few from the top shelf? :mrgreen:

    A great endorsement of all the hard work you, Min and the other posters put in. Congratulations!

    Pip, I just think the PM saw an opportunity to whip the rug out from underneath the commentariat and the Liars Party. Thomson and Slipper have been neutralised.

    They don’t sit on the government benches, so Liealot is stymied. She’s pulled a major stroke and left the msm and the Liars in her dust. I bet she and Tim had a big fat guffaw about it that night.

    Tom R@ 2.56pm, I wonder if a cheque for 50 big ones was handed over while they were having drinkies?

    Hi Min. *Waves* Congratulations! A lovely pat on the back for all the work you put in.

  242. Tom, where is Prissy, I don’t recall seing him for a while.

    Nas’ if Prissy has nothing to hide he should do as Wayne Swan suggested and show his phone records.

    This is fun, playing join the dots.

    Liberals seething at the “betrayal” of the man they’ve been slagging ever since Mal Brough decided he wanted Slipper’s seat .

    The “dump” of dirt files on Steve Lewis’s lap just as the Prime Minister leaves the country.

    The rapid response from the Coalition

    The Coalition’s record of employing dirty tricks, several times and over many years and in different states.

    The fact that being called a “powerbroker” has gone to Prissy’s head.

    Prissy says he’s only met Ashby on three occasions; that’s very specific and just a bit curious, that one of the three occasions occurred one month before the “dump”.

    If that is the sum total of their acquaintance it would help if Mr. Pyne could
    tell us the dates of the other two meetings.

    All this in the lead up to the Budget, and the carbon price beginning., and no excuse for an early election to be called unless budget supply is blocked and it won’t be according to Windsor, Oakeshott and Wilkie as well as the Green Adam Bandt.

    Abbott has been calling for Oakeshott and Windsor to “wake up”, but he should look in the mirror.

  243. Jane @ 3.43pm,
    jane
    grodo, Phone Card’s a fine one to talk about credibility.
    :lol:

    and
    Pip, I just think the PM saw an opportunity to whip the rug out from underneath the commentariat and the Liars Party. Thomson and Slipper have been neutralised.

    why didn’t I think of that… it makes perfect sense….

    oh….. that would be why … :grin:

  244. That’s ripped it for the headlines

    Ferguson tells party to ‘move on’
    Cortlan Bennett
    May 1, 2012 – 2:49PM

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/ferguson-tells-party-to-move-on-20120501-1xwi7.html

    Labor frontbencher Martin Ferguson has urged the embattled party to stop its in-fighting, move on from the leadership spill and focus on next Tuesday’s budget.

    “There was a ballot a couple of months ago – life moves on,” the resources minister and supporter of Kevin Rudd told reporters in Perth on Tuesday.

    “Australians are more concerned about the strength of the economy and whether or not they’ve got a job.

    Advertisement: Story continues below “Let’s be frank. (Federal Opposition Leader) Tony Abbott is economically illiterate.”

    “In the end, we’ve got to focus on our strengths – economic management.

    The headline says “has urged the party to move on”, yet in the body of the story it turns out that Mr. Ferguson was telling the reporters!

  245. CU @3.33pm, yes I understand it’s HSUeast that’s been taken out of the loop. That’s the Liars favourite “whistle blower’s” branch. All may not be well in that cosy love nest very shortly.

    Tom R @3.35pm, f*ck me days!!!! The first time Sloppy’s opened his gob for days and that’s what trickled out?

    Min @3.39pm, rofl!

    Nas’ & Sue do you think we should re label Prissy a Liars Party powderbroker? I loved Swannie’s comments. He’s turned into a bit of a head kicker lately, imo.

    Go Swannie!!!!

    Pip, you missed my rant @7.11pm last night. I lhad a light bulb moment. I may be wrong, but it all fits so neatly.

    Apparently Thomson offered to resign 2 years ago, but she wouldn’t let him. D’you think she may have saved it as a rainy day card?

    The pressure’s now off the government and most likely Thomson and Slipper and the budget is not in jeopardy. Thomson and Slipper get to vote and the Liars Party gets the finger!

    I am filled with admiration for this woman: it’s a master stroke that would make Machiavelli proud.

    Go Julia!!!!!!

  246. Min @ 3.35pm,
    So, how were the meetings organised? Or is Pyne saying that ALL meetings were at Ashby’s instigation…or does it mean that Pyne and Ashby are in email contact with each other.

    Wayne Swan only mentioned Prissy’ phone records; I hope asks the AFP to investigate.

    After all Senator Brandis wasn’t too coy to call in the police in two different states!

  247. Jane, I’m really sorry i missed your rant last night, maybe I should have a look :grin:

    Your light bulb conclusion makes absolutely perfect sense.

    Cu @ 3.33pm, I’m watching a replay of Hockey atm, and he really needs to shut up for two reasons, one, as you say he’s talking down the economy,
    and two, he sounds like a fool.

  248. Powderbroker

    I like that

    But why would Powderbroker have drinkies while Slipper was in the Chair in the House, then as soon as Slipper returns to office he leave.

    And then phone the office to ask for Ashby’s mobile.

    Pyne should release all mobile records, then again Slipper may ask for a list of Ashby’s phone calls. Unless there is a problem with the “forensic” examination that Ashby’s lawyers had performed.

    If there is a problem could Slipper through the courts get a listing of Ashby’s calls, after all todays revelation could be paramount to Slippers civil action?

  249. Now to be fair and balanced, the story on Pyne should be accompanied by a photo of Pyne with his Mrs Pyne

  250. Sue, the Libs have tried their dirty tricks numerous times and slipped up, so even if there has been some “forensic” examination,there’s every chance that if they’ve been up to know good they’ll slip up.

  251. Mr Pyne how often do you spend time in the Speakers office when he is absent?

    How many times do you spend time when the Speaker is present?

    Do you always stay, a couple of hours drinking?

    What was the politics you talk about?

    Who pays for the grog?

  252. The man who said he wouldn’t be one of those retired politicians who gave an opinion on everything, Bonsai is giving a very good impression of a right ponce playing the elder statesman.

    Former prime minister John Howard predicts Prime Minister Julia Gillard will be rolled by her predecessor Kevin Rudd before the next election.

    Replying to a question on Ms Gillard’s tenuous hold on the top job during a business lunch in Perth on Tuesday, Mr Howard said it was unfair to compare her to another former Labor prime minister who was brought down mid-term, Gough Whitlam.

    “I think the comparison to Whitlam is unfair to him,” he said to an eruption of laughter.

    Howard was addressing the Chamber of Minerals and Energy.

    Just goes to show he’s not silly after all he knows which side his bread’s buttered on,. the blokes he addressed had a bit to do with Kevin Rudd’s removal..

    No wonder they laughed!l

    http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/howard-predicts-rudd-will-roll-gillard-20120501-1xwuf.html

  253. It is all about confidence. Maybe Mr. Abbott and Mr. Hockey could do something about that.

    But just how many rate cuts it takes to restore confidence is anyone’s guess.

    “I don’t think even the Reserve Bank would have an answer to that,” James says.

    “It’s how long is a piece of string. Confidence is an amazing variable – once things really start to move, they can move very, very quickly.

    “We do know anecdotally that investors are certainly dipping their toes into the market; the more astute investors are already grabbing opportunities.”

    Will today’s cut of 0.5 per cent be enough?

    “Perhaps that is enough, but I think it will take more than one, certainly.”

    http://news.domain.com.au/domain/blogs/talking-property/confidence-the-missing-ingredient-20120501-1xwdq.html

  254. “Labor leader doing such a thing. The worst thing is that it gave legitimacy to their weasel words and cowardice. I can’t forgive Rudd for it.”

    Jane I was angry then. I am still angry. In my opinion that is when the rot set in. That and backtracking on the ETS.

    I was at my daughters place when Mr. Rudd closed down the scheme.

    The father of my grand children walked in from climbing around in those hot roofs. Remember, we had extreme heat for most of that scheme.

    I had seen all the emails and courses that Mr. Garrett had put in place to ensure the safety of the workers.

    My daughter had just bought a new vehicle, as they believed the work would continue. His best mate hung himself a few days later. I am NOT saying this is to blame but is did not help. He had just moved into a new home.

    Every cloud has a silver lining. My daughters partner health improved when he stopped climbing around in those over heated roof. I am sure many others did as well.

    The earned every cent they made.

    Yes. Jane. I agree with you.

    I do hope that the PM does not take anymore backwards steps. It is a sign of weakness and not being in control.

    The PM has asked the two men to step aside, as the media and Coalition have been demanding. The PM now is still being attacked, now they are saying her actions prove she has something to hide.

    One cannot afford to take a backward step. The Labor party has to get behind the PM. There is no other choice The PM cannot do it on her own. It has to be a team effort.

    Who can remember what the great issues where a couple of weeks ago.

    I am hearing a few, give her a fair go. I believe that will grow.

  255. Migs and Everyone here does a great job – authors and bloggers. We’re all excited about having made the final 7 of the best commentary blog in Australia. All have contributed. And that’s for certain. :D

  256. On Treasurer Wayne Swan demanded Mr Pyne give a full explanation and release his phone records.

    Criminal law 101, never ask a suspect a question unless you know the answer. My bet is that Swannie already knows…

  257. ‘I do hope that the PM does not take anymore backwards steps. It is a sign of weakness and not being in control.’

    This is the general perception and I can’t see the PM shaking it off.

  258. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/1963750-3×2-700×467.jpgCaught in the headlights

    Mr Pyne, the Manager of Opposition Business, has confirmed he met Mr Slipper’s former staffer James Ashby three times.

    Fairfax newspapers are reporting the pair had drinks in the Speaker’s parliamentary office a month before the court documents were filed, and says after the meeting Mr Pyne called the Speaker’s office requesting Mr Ashby’s mobile phone number.

    The report claims Mr Pyne drank with Mr Ashby from about 9:30pm until after 11:00pm on March 19, and the paper quotes Mr Pyne as saying he was merely “passing the time of day”.

  259. Cu @6.58pm, don’t worry. The PM hasn’t taken a backward step, she’s neutralised an increasingly difficult situation as I commented upthread last night.

    Like you I was very concerned at all the howling and growling from the usual suspects. Like the commentariat, I thought she was on her knees.

    Not a bit of it. She’s pulled a massive stroke and assured the smooth passage of the Budget and pulled the rug out from under the Liars.

    By asking Thomson and Slipper to stand aside and move to the cross benches, they are no longer the government’s problem. They’re now Independents and as such the Liars can’t use them as a stick to beat the government.

    They’re not part of the government any more. Even better, when Slipper takes the Speaker’s chair again it will be as an Independent, not an ex Liar the PM had stitched up a deal with!

    And you know the best part is the msm still hasn’t managed to work it out. I’m eagerly waiting for the squeals and the rush to talk themselves into the action.

    When you think about it, this can be the only reason for this action. If they hadn’t stood aside, the government would have been crucified and the Budget session could have been in great jeopardy.

    But because Thomson and Slipper aren’t part of the government, Liealot’s strategy will fall in a heap.

    The Liars may have twigged, although I hope not. I’d love to see their faces when Parliament resumes and they realise she’s stolen a march on them again.

    grodo, the PM has pulled the stroke of the century, so pack away the crocodile tears, the lady is 100 miles ahead of the pack and they haven’t woken up yet.

    Bwwwaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

  260. Jane and:

    Bwwwaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

    Let me guess..you’re enjoying this. :D

  261. Mr. Thompson was very strong in his defense this afternoon on ABC 24 this afternoon.

    Mr Thompson said that the report covered the period after he left, up to 2012.

    He said his name was not mentioned.

    He said the report was about HSU East.

    Mr, Thompson said he has never has any connection to the branch.

    Mr. Thompson said it was about the present day officials

    He has not any connection fir nearly five years.

    I am sure we are going to see the media address what he has claimed.

  262. Cu, I watched thomson make his statement, which they cut off while he had opened his mouth to speak.

    I think you’re a born optimist about the media :grin:
    Me, on the other had, not so much..

  263. Couldn’t resist this tweet :lol:

    Tony Martin ‏ @mrtonymartin

    Those Slipper allegations are starting to smell very ‘Pyne-scented’.

    Retweeted by Equitist

  264. No Pip, I was being sarcastic but we are right.

    Did not stop them repeating Abetz and Abbott lies.

    They did challenge them a little for a change.

    Thompson did sound confident though,

  265. Min @9.51pm, how did you guess? i thought I’d hidden it so well. :lol:

    HSUeast, Kathy Jackson’s fiefdom. Looks like the whistle blower has swallowed her whistle. How long before she and her high powered H R Nicholls lawyer sink without a trace?

    What’s the bet Liealot will soon be saying Kathy Who?

  266. Topical, but off-topic (ABC Just In):

    “Market Economics spokesman Steven Kouokoulas says the major lenders need to lower their mortgage rates by 35 basis points to take the pressure off borrowers.

    Then, of course, we’re going to be saving money, and therefore you get the economy ticking back up.

    I really hope the journo reporting this misquoted Koukoulas (in addition to mis-spelling his name).

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