John Howard and Family Values

John Howard and Family Values is a probing article to be found over at Ærchies Archive.  I’m sure Ærchie won’t mind if I quote some of his fine work:

Much has been made of the fact that our current Leader of the Opposition has John Winston Howard, lately Prime Minister of this Parish, as his hero, mentor and inspiration.

We all know John Howard. Little bloke with glasses who wore a daggy track suit at every opportunity.  Spoke a lot about family values and yet seemed unaware that the policies his Government implemented forced fathers to spend more time at work and less time with their families.  Appeared to want a return to the White Australia Policy with his extreme actions against “Boat People”.  Demanded but failed to get adherence to a Ministerial Code of Conduct so he had to drop some 7 ministers from his Front Bench.  Before the end of his second term as PM! The attrition rate was so high he had to drop the Code of Conduct! Supported Patrick’s on the waterfront to destroy the Unions. Appointed a founder of the HR Nicholl’s Society to be Treasurer of Australia. Took Australia into an illegal war.

Yeah. That guy.

To read the rest of the article click on the link above.  It’s recommended reading and I’d implore you all to visit the site.  Well done, Ærchie.

In the meantime, why not make this an open thread on John Howard?  Let’s face it, we just love to talk about the guy. :mrgreen:

For all you fans out there here’s a photo of Howard demonstrating to Putin how cricket umpires signal 4 runs.

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68 comments on “John Howard and Family Values

  1. Well, it doesn’t surprise me to have confirmation of the Rodent family’s very flexible values. Certainly explains a lot wrt a certain blog which shall remain nameless, particularly the determined resistance to truth and the devotion to mendacity over there.

  2. Miglo, have I did the right thing attaching this article to this site. Not too sure what I have done. I just thought it was a good read. I did not know it came up as a post.

  3. Unless we can build something around the link, which I’m sure we could do. It’s not as though little Johnnie leaves us lost for words. 😉

  4. So rodents dad was not as humble as he led the electorate to believe
    “a new guinea planter with 200 natives labourers to tend the copra.”
    beginnings of………..
    work choices
    oh ……..
    i wonder if mrs h liked to read a few kyle onstott books as she sat around waiting for hubby to fly home from canberra each thursday.

  5. …..that nameless bog blog squeals like cut pigs if we post anything about John Howard. How extraordinary is that?

    They must be psychic, Migs. How else could they know?

  6. Archie, we’re chuffed to have you here. I wanted to add you to the Blogroll earlier, but first I had to learn how to do this: Æ

    Guess where I found out? In our How To page. 😳

  7. Miglo a comment is what I was after. I will think in future before I push buttons. Can you fix it for me please.


  8. There is little new in the article but it is the first time I have seen it pulled together.

    It is not a very nice family in my opinion. Sorry there was one decent brother.

  9. Thanks Migs. At least it is a change from Queensland.

    I do hope I have upset other people. That is nasty I know.

  10. One of my favorites comes from Senator Button’s wife who said that Jeanette would rather have thrown the keys of the Lodge into Lake Burley Griffin than to hand them over to Therese Rein.

    Remember Jeanette and tea and scones on the lawn and little Johnny in his green and gold tracky dacks doing the morning jog trailed by a bevy of journos. Now that’s real politics for you…

  11. Talking about Mr. Howard, reminds one of how quickly political fortune can changed. It appears it matters no high one goes, they can rapidly slide back to the bottom.

    That old board game of snakes and ladders have nothing on it.

    The voter can be very fickle and cruel indeed.

    It worries me, that in a state with no upper house, there is to be a government with literally no opposition.

    I am not too sure that this is how our democracy us supposed to work.

    We know from history, governments with huge majorities are apt to fail.

    Another precedent that caused little interest, is that we d leader of the opposition, that was outside the parliament. How does that fit in with the Westminster system.

    I am aware that our system is not a pure Westminster but how far do we want to go, towards the American system. I have concerns that it is being done by stealth.

    I remember that Mr. Hawke yearned to be able to select his cabinet from outside parliament, as once again in the USA.

    We have seen major upheaval in our system, that has seen little debate.

    I might be old fashion, but I believe that one has to be elected to participate in government.

    Mr. Newman was not. How many more rules and regulations will be ignored.

    We live in interesting times. Sometimes I feel it is a little frightening and moving much to fast.

  12. It is not a very nice family in my opinion. Sorry there was one decent brother.

    Do you think he changed his name, CU?

    I don’t think your desire to upset some is at all nasty, CU. A spot of well justified payback, imo

    @1.08am, I used to be in favour of abolishing the upper house, but that was when i was young and hot headed. I realised the value of an upper house when Joh was in power in Qld. I am of the opinion that it is never good for democracy when there are no checks and balances.

    Even though the previous Senate composition wasn’t to my liking, it’s still preferable to government holding power in both Houses. Let them work hard to get their policies through both Houses. Our PM has shown it can be done with good policies, goodwill and good negotiation skills.

  13. Jane, you coined what I was trying to say, there are no checks and balances.

    If we ever needed a competent media, now is the time.

    Sadly that we do not have.

    Why they say it will take a decade to rebuild amazes me. How long did it take to put the new LNP together. Not that long, I believe.

    I think someone previously said it might be time to rejoin the Labor Party. I believe that might be a worthwhile action.

    Maybe there have been good lost today. There also has the dumping heavy baggage as well.

  14. Catching up, I worry also that now there is no opposition what QLD society has ahead of them. Based on proportional representation Labor and the Greens would have picked up 30 seats. Not a win but enough for sensible discussion and enough to keep the party organisations in place keep democracy working.

  15. Jane @1.30am I realised the value of an upper house when Joh was in power in Qld. I am of the opinion that it is never good for democracy when there are no checks and balances.

    Also the reason why Australia should never have a US style president, far too much power residing in one person IMO.

  16. CU @1.56am, the Qld election shows how important it is ti have both strong governments and equally strong oppositions, not beholden to any person or entity. Queenslanders will quickly lean this hard lesson.

    Which brings me to Min’s point. I think that we’ve been trending toward the presidential style of campaigning for some time, now. Too much focus on the leader of the party, imo. And as Min says, far too much power in the hands of one person.

    People have started to believe they have personally voted for the PM, whereas in truth, they only vote for the candidate in the seat they live in. The PM is not separate from their party and I think it’s time this is made ultra clear.

    They could start by teaching primary school kids how our political system works. AFAIC, people in this country are too ignorant of how the system operates and that allows the Liars Party to get away with the bullshit they do, even with the msm complicit.

    If most voters weren’t so ignorant, they would probably see through all the lies, obfuscations and misrepresentations that abound and hold both the Liars and the msm to account.

    As a rider, there are still those who deliberately and willfully buy into the Liars bullshit even though they must know how absurd there position is.

  17. Queenslanders might also learn how important strong governments and oppositions are to democracy and good governance. 😳

  18. “People have started to believe they have personally voted for the PM, whereas in truth, they only vote for the candidate in the seat they live in. The PM is not separate from their party and I think it’s time this is made ultra clear.”

    jane, I have come to the conclusion the Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they omitted any mention of PM or parties.

    Our democracy is not built on the power of one person. The opposite is true.

    We vote for our local member, who then forms themselves into a team, with the aim of forming a government.

    What has occurred in Queensland is not a victory for our democracy. The opposite is true.

    One can only mount concern when one is faced with the over the top gloating of Mr. Palmer.Has he indeed bought himself a government, along with a football team.

    We do need to go back to basics and ask ourselves what do we elect politicians to do. I believe that governing is no longer the reason, as that is the one thing they are not allowed to do.

    We have seen many well written and serious comments about what is happening. I believe that most are missing the point. What they are describing are results and symptoms, not causes.

    What has changed is the expectations of the voter.

    These expectations are unreasonable and dangerous.

    We need to go back to the fundamentals of what good governance and governing is.

    It has a lot more than lying and breaking promised.

    I believe it is about doing what is necessary for the nation and it’s people. It means governing in the real world, for all.

    It does not mean that all will have their wishes fulfilled.

    That is impossible and not healthy for the Nation. It means having the guts to do what is necessary and at times changing ones mind.

    It is not about a popularity contest. It is not about polls. It is not about spin.

    It is simply about doing what is right, explaining why and hoping the public accepts what has been done.

    It is not about doing things with an eye on the next election.

    It is going to take a PM with enormous guts to break the cycle we are in.

    The expectations of many voters is deeply ingrained, along with the fact, that many are just not interested, makes things near impossible.

  19. Archie, already 11 shares on Facebook. I put up 4 of them 20 minutes ago and they’ve grown legs. I hope this brings you some good traffic.

  20. “Queenslanders might also learn how important strong governments and oppositions are to democracy and good governance. ”

    jane, they have been there before, they have short memories I believe.

    The problem for Mr. Newman is that he cannot deliver. I not saying he is disingenuous, but state governments do not have much control over the economy. The main role of the states is to provide infrastructure and runs the institution’s such as hospitals and schools.

    I would like to see the power to raise personal taxation returned, as it was pre-war.

    I believe this weakened the states and gave to much power to the General government. It has led to the over lapping of responsibility and Departments, leading to waste and blame shifting.

    It would mean that the states would be directly responsible for the money they spend.

    The system we have now has evolved in my humble opinion that is approaching collapse.

  21. One of Howard’s rat-cunning strategies was the way he used the media to convince that anyone with any concerns whatsoever were part of some weird minority group. Those who sided with refugees = supporters of terrorism as an example.

  22. Putin: What’s a four?

    Howard: My most prolific scoring shot in cricket.

    Putin: What’s cricket?

    Howard: A game I invented.

  23. This has to be one of the most insincere spin filled articles I’ve ever read…kinda makes me wanna puke considering the author is a hypocritical attack dog working for one of the worst character assassinating media empires we have ever witnessed:
    Piers Akerman: A loss that marked the death of civility
    Piers Akerman The Sunday Telegraph March 25, 2012

    In recent weeks the worst of Australian politics has been on display in Queensland where the embattled Premier Anna Bligh went well below the sewer in her efforts to find muck with which to smear her opponent, Campbell Newman.

    The results of yesterday’s poll would indicate that the electorate could not stomach the egregious assault on Newman’s integrity.

    As The Courier-Mail’s political writer, Dennis Atkins, said last week: “They needed to tear down Campbell Newman and make sure the damage landed heavily in the seat of Ashgrove.”

    The assault on civility was just as publicly displayed during the leadership struggle between Gillard and her predecessor, Kevin Rudd, with supporters of both taking personal invective and betrayal to levels not reached during even the worst of Labor’s previous bouts of factional infighting.

    Yet traces of the decency which applied among other generations are still to be found. Just before Christmas former prime minister John Howard paid a quiet and unpublicised visit to Gough Whitlam, the oldest living former prime minister at his city office.

    “I’m glad I did. We had a happy hour or so, just talking,” Howard later told me. “I came into the House in 1974, about halfway through his three-year prime ministership, Gough was and is always interesting to talk to. After he left politics, he wrote to me, just as he explained, Bob Menzies had written to him, it was very civil of him.”

    The visit was welcomed by Whitlam, according to members of his family, one of whom said: “Dad was very pleased to see John, to reminisce and talk over the politics of the day.”

    Looking to the future, is it possible to imagine that Kevin Rudd, Mark Latham or Julia Gillard would be capable of such a relationship with an opponent from the other side of politics, let alone one from the ALP?

    Will the Australian public ever wake up to this BS?

    The Murdoch softly spoken scumbags have been getting away with this propaganda nonsense for far too long…

    This is not a piece about civility…

    It’s a blatant attempt at public perception manipulation…

    Another way to label the ALP…part of an ongoing campaign to undermine the reputation of the ALP and help the Coalition win the next election..and divide the ALP.

    Don’t be duped.

    And Piers Akerman has the gaul to use  Margeret Whitlam’s death…and Gough’s suffering for his own goals of political point scoring.


    Stooping so low in that so called “sincere” way…

    The Murdoch media is indeed evil…a scourge

    Btw, why would John Howard tell Piers Akerman about his visit to Gough?

    Think about it.

    All part of a crafty plan.

    The ALP and public have been duped. Again.


  24. Crikey, Nas, I thought you were referring to Archie when I read your opening paragraph.

    I was about to get Archie the smelling salts LOL.

  25. @ Miglo, That explains the sudden lift in views. I never think of FB. It is certainly generating some interest. The fun thing is that there is nothing new in the post. The information has been out there but no one has put it all together in one place.

    @nasking “Whew”! I had a wild moment when I thought you were writing about me 🙂 But you are correct. He asks if JG, KR or ML could have a polite discourse. No mention of the single cause of all the angst; the big-eared bully himself,

  26. Funny, I am sure that Mrs. Howard was the one woman the Mrs. Whitlam had no time for. I think she might have seen her as useless.

    I agree that there is nothing new in the article, but many do not seem to know. It is the first time I have seen it pulled together in the one place.

    It helps if one has knowledge of Groot and what went on in colonial New Guinea.

    wonder how many know that there was a right wing army that was willing to take up arms against the people. That is what they are connecting his father too.

  27. Putin: For how long were you Prime Minister?

    Howard: 35 years.

    Putin: Did you lose office?

    Howard: No, on the eve of the 2007 election I handed over the leadership to Peter Costello – a man I had groomed for the job for 12 years. He went weak at the knees and lost it.

  28. Cu, Howard took his orders from his wife. The Party wanted him gone in 2007 so he consulted her. She said he was to stay in the job.

  29. Putin: Aren’t you John Howard, only the second ever Prime Minister to lose his seat?

    Howard: No.

    Putin: No, meaning you didn’t lose your seat?

    Howard: No, I’m not John Howard. Hey, look over there . . .

  30. Cu,
    I got this article by way of

    I wonder how much the Howard admin spent on wars…and defense in general?

    What are Tony Abbott’s plans?

    Romney’s 4 Percent Military Spending Still a Fantasy

    Christopher A. Preble | March 19, 2012

    it only makes sense to be spending so much more money, in real terms, than we did during the Cold War if we believe that today’s enemies are dramatically more threatening than those we confronted then. I find the mere suggestion utterly absurd. But Mitt Romney apparently does not, judging from his pledge to spend, on average, at least 42 percent more than Ronald Reagan’s-4-percent-military-spending-still-fantasy-6664


  31. I am once again going to be agreeing completely with Malcolm Fraser:

    In an interview for The Zone today, Mr Fraser lambasts both major political parties for taking the nation backwards on issues including indigenous and immigration policy and foreign relations.

    Malcolm Fraser laments the state of Australian politics and the systemic apathy of voters.

    He says they have resorted to attacking each other rather than taking a lead on developing good policy.

    “Both major political parties are rattling around at the bottom of the barrel trying to find something derogatory they can say about the other party,” Mr Fraser told The Age. “I believe at the moment they would use any issue if they think there’s a vote in it.”

    Now in his early 80s, Mr Fraser, singled out former Liberal leader John Howard on the issue of asylum seekers, accusing him of demonising people arriving in Australia on boats for political gain.

  32. Howard’s demonisation of asylum seekers is what he will be best remembered for. It’s nice to see it mentioned in the media, gone but not forgotten.

  33. Unfortunately Antony we’ve allowed the ALP to do same…many suicides…boats sinking…children behind wire…many forgotten…traumatised.

    Both parties have been disgusting.

    We need a new Worker’s Democratic Party for Australia…to show the ALP the proper way to treat the little folk…

    Including DentalCare.


  34. Failure to fight the Liberals and the media’s ongoing demonisation of asylum seekers has been one of this government’s biggest failings. It was mentioned on this blog about Labor’s core values, so I’m with Fraser on this one that it’s been a race to the bottom.

  35. I agree AntonyG

    Now this, which I feared:

    Carbon tax costs worry small business
    The World Today By business reporter Michael Janda
    Updated March 26, 2012 14:

    A national survey of business managers has found there remains much confusion and uncertainty about the Federal Government’s carbon tax. 

    Just over half of the 900 managers surveyed by the Australian Institute of Management realised the tax, which passed the Senate in November last year, would commence this year.

    A majority of respondents also said the effects of the clean energy bills would be felt by small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs), which do not have to pay the tax, as big business passed costs and compliance issues down the supply chain.

    Australian Institute of Management chief executive for Victoria and Tasmania, Susan Heron, says large businesses are asking their suppliers to reduce their emissions.

    “We’re seeing many of the larger companies already developing codes of practice – supplier codes of practice – which are asking their suppliers, the SMEs, to be able to measure and minimise their carbon footprint,” Ms Heron said.

    AUDIO: Managers confused, concerned about carbon tax (The World Today)
    But Ms Heron said there was very little scepticism about climate change among survey respondents.

    “People do believe that there is a need to address climate change,” she said.

    “What they do want, though, is a very clear direction as to how they should best engage to achieve it.”

    This is not just Murdoch empire, Abbott and Palmer propaganda…

    It’s the same feedback I’ve been getting.


  36. Nas’, it seems that the most confusing thing is the usual the whole point of the article is lurking down towards the bottom..

    “People do believe that there is a need to address climate change,” she said.

    “What they do want, though, is a very clear direction as to how they should best engage to achieve it.”

  37. Whoops, better respond to you Min before I go…

    I think the small business managers, owners are worried the burden of the high carbon price will be too much…they wan’t action taken…but want clearer more practical policies.

    This is dangerous for Labor as the weathervane Abbott has made it look like his partially BS program is more practical…working from the ground up so to speak…rather than an abstract carbon price scheme.

    It worries me big time that Labor will die by a thousand cuts more on this issue…

    When it doesn’t need to.

    I think they have given up…preparing to lose…hoping to wedge an Abbott government down the road.

    Sad. Defeatist.


  38. Nas’, I’m still hopeful about the Gillard strategy which is quite similar to that which Howard used to use – that is, get rid of everything controversial early in the term and then focus on the positives in the lead up to the next election. My instinct tells me that Abbott is fully aware of this strategy, hence his panic to have an election ASAP.

  39. Yes, this man sure had high values. Locked up mentally ill German in a detention centre.

    Sent a disabled woman back to the Asia, leaving her young son on his own, not knowing where she was.

    Both Australian citizens,

    Attempted to lock up a doctor as a terrorist. Insisted on doing so, even when the British police who came to this country, cleared him in a couple of days.

    Now we have this release.

    Yes,, a man who believed in justice and a fair go.

    Previously-secret intelligence shows that Australian military leaders were concerned about handing over individuals captured by Australian forces during the Iraq war to the administration.

    A declassified letter written in late 2004 to the then-prime minister, John Howard, warned that Australia may be in breach of its international legal obligations in handing over individuals who might be subject to the death penalty.

    In June 2005, The Public Interest Advocacy Centre lodged a freedom of information (FOI) request with the Department of Defence for documents on Australia’s Defence Force operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Specifically, the centre wanted to know how individuals who were suspected of being terrorists were apprehended, detained and transferred to other military or civil authorities outside Australia.

    It took three years for the Defence Department to make a decision to release some of the documents.

  40. Roswell, I thought you were agreeing with me.

    I am sure I have not scratched the surface of this man’s humanity to his fellow man,

    There are many other examples that come to mind.

  41. When I look back at the Howard government…and what got me so pissed…and fearful at times…was not the man himself…I found him to be a generally irritating and boring character…sometimes mean-spirited…other times mild-mannered…but ya oft got this sense he was driven by a bitterness towards the Left and unions…had this ideological obsession with crushing unions and the rights that protected workers.

    For me it had more to do with the people and groups he unleashed, the ones who were used as the attack dogs…the environment was created for them to go nuts on the Australian people…do their propaganda thing…explode their culture warrior and private companies should dominate stuff all over the public…

    a free ride to espouse greed is good, free market, rampant capitalist, money should flood upwards, prosperity evangelism, misogynistic, ocker bully, sexist pig, over-the top nationalism, religion uber alles, war on everything, you’re with us or against us, nudge nudge wink wink to homophobes and racists, Islam and Aboriginal baiting, corporate land grabbing, environment comes second, women are primarily baby-makers, 40s & 50s culture preferable to 60s & 70s, anyone with Green concerns are fairies at the bottom of the garden, asylum seekers are invaders and can be used to score political points, Murdoch is God, Righties know what’s best for you, condescending, opposition should be mocked, humour should be nasty, far too libertarian, obsession with tax cuts over service delivery, arrogant dismissive deaf approach to peaceful demonstrators and critics, cults are useful for political ouposes, touch of McCarthy paranoia, this could be the third world war and you are expendable…approach, ideas, attitude.

    Not good.

    Abbott gives me the same feelings. Dread.


  42. I should do an addendum to Miglo’s topic..that pic of Howard and Putin always reminds me of…

    Te sunt a cutie crustum

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