99 not out

We are about to achieve a milestone: we are on the verge of averaging 100 comments per thread.

At the moment we’re 99 not out.

Considering the steady number of posts we churn out each month this is rather outstanding and a milestone that should delight both the authors and the people who comment here.

Of course, many blog sites average much higher comments per thread but they are not as prolific as us in the number of threads they produce.

If we didn’t maintain topics and discussions of interest that attracted comments/debate, then we’d never reach the figure we are on the cusp of achieving.  Every one who comments here have contributed to our success.

I thank you all.

Our most popular topics have been those that debate politics.  The thread that achieved the most comments was Nothing to See Here, a guest post by regular reader and commenter Tom R where we recorded an amazing 640 comments. Tom threw open the discussion on the Qantas debacle and the comedy performance of the Opposition in trying to get political mileage out of it.  He wrote:

This is their ‘evidence’ that the government was ‘warned’? That, in the ‘warning’ that they might ground flights, they admit that they already HAVE ground flights. That’s not a warning, that’s a revelation after the fact. By then, it is already too late. yet the paper would have us believe that the Government were ‘warned’.

After both the PM and joyce came out to deny this story, tony abbott was asked if he knew anything about it. True to form, yabot had a bubble-head moment, and Labor picked up on that and pursued him all day in Parliament over just what he did know and when. He finally came out and declared that he knew nothing until the Saturday afternoon. Considering we haven’t got that in writing (or pledged in blood), there is probably a huge question mark over that.

A political thread came in at number 2 with 623 comments, my Open Forum: who would Howard back? where I wrote:

John Howard was due to speak at the Oxford University Union last week but cancelled his appearance due to flying home for reasons undisclosed.

The gossip throughout the blogs and Twitter speculated he flew home as a leadership spill in the Liberal Party was imminent.  It was unfounded gossip, of course, and no such spill has eventuated.  Nonetheless, it was fun to speculate.

Let us speculate some more.

Let us assume there is a spill, which cannot be ruled out entirely in the distant future, so I ask: “Who would Howard throw his weight behind to lead the party into the next election?”  I’m assuming that Howard still has some influence in the party.  He is, after all, always sitting beside the phone waiting for one of his underlings to call, seeking desperate strategies, of which Howard was the master.  Maybe he still is the master.

Min’s political thread Friday on my mind: end of the political year attracted 592 comments and comes in at number 3.  Min wrote:

It being the end of the parliamentary year, I was reflecting on the way that parliament and politics has been evolving – although some might argue “devolving”, mostly due to Tony Abbott’s failure to do anything substantial other than to pursue his Tony For PM Campaign.

The Opposition’s record to date amounts to one bill defeated, not one amendment successful and this is aside from constant disruptive behaviour on the floor of parliament, plus failure to enter into debate of any substance. In addition it would seem that apart from not being able to successfully negotiate with the majority of the Independents to form government, that nothing has changed. With the exception of one occasion when Tony Abbott lobbied Tony Crook to side with him and vote against the Malaysia deal, this being the Government’s first legislative defeat in the lower house, Tony Abbott has been completely unsuccessful in his attempts to influence the Independents. Whenever Tony Abbott yet again calls for A New Election, one can discern an almost audible sigh coming from Tony Windsor: here we go again…now offer me one reason why we should…

I hold the unenviable record of writing a post that attracted one sole comment, being for How social media can make history way back in June 2010.  I thought it was a ripper of a video I had based my post on.  After that I wisely gave up on that subject.

144 comments on “99 not out

  1. Important matters first Migs… 😀

    Dockers swept aside by Power
    by: Jesper Fjeldstad at Encounter Bay
    From: Sunday Mail (SA) March 10, 2012


    PORT Adelaide is enjoying hope for the coming season after beating Fremantle by 20 points at a windswept Encounter Bay yesterday afternoon.
    The Power played with dash, spirit and run against a Docker side that would be kicking itself for a scattergun performance – there were times when they couldn’t buy a goal.

    It was a welcome infusion of confidence for the Power. The Dockers, well, they had the yips.

  2. Migs, I believe we address each political incidents as they arise.

    It would be good site for a historian down the track, showing what ordinary people think about politics on a day to day basis.

    I read somewhere that Mr. Abbot has had Labor on the run for the last twelve months or more.

    I find that difficult to believe, especially, if one takes popularity polls out of the equation. Polls by the way, where he himself does not do so well.

    What has Mr. Abbott manage to stop this PM or government from doing.

    Nothing, I would say.

    He has not stopped or amended one piece of legalisation.

    Even in the last few weeks where Labor has been under extreme attack and some instability, nothing has changed, as far as the polls go.

    We had screaming headlines that Labor was finished, and Mr. Abbott I believe packing his bags for the Lodge.

    The PM is still in power and governing strong, as she has for last year or more.

  3. Cu, that is an excellent thought. Where once opinion, such as letters to the editor would quickly disappear and be accessible to only a few, with the advent of things such the blogs, in the future it will be far easier to be able to gauge what public opinion was during that era.

  4. Cu, I’ve noticed a few journalists have latched onto “Gillard is a policy-free zone” lately; clearly, they haven’t bothered to check for facts.

    I must admit though, she will be hearing from me very soon about her plan to make ALL DSP recipients 35 and under, undergo a review by Centrelink staffers, not doctors, as to whether they’re able to work eight hours a week.


    I have a list of questions about this, and top of the list is, why 35, and are the Centrelink assessors actually qualified to make such a judgement.
    I think not.

  5. Min, I also it can be measured, which is great for research.

    So much of what was used in the past, like diaries, letters, cards, and even telegrams no longer exist, well at least in quantities to be of any use.

  6. Pip. I would not worry too much. They do not have the skills to do it. For the last thirty years at least, they have been threatening to do so. It will go the same way as previous efforts, nowhere.

    Some might even mange to get entry to some interesting education options they do not now.

    It is not easy to get on benefits. I do not believe they will find many fit to work. Then they have to find the jobs for them.

    I worked in disability and believe me what the so called experts believe can be done and reality never meet.

  7. At the moment most blogs operate by highlighting the msm stories and having discussions around those topics.

    At some point in the future…..

  8. El gordo, I guess that this is what makes this blog somewhat different. Not only “the news”, but the number of authors who Migs has provided with a venue to be able to write about whatever topic they wanted – no restrictions whatsoever.

    To give an example, American professional artist Debra Freeman Highberger started writing a novel. However, due to being discouraged by a band of nay-sayers, put it down some 8 years ago. One day Debra asked if we would be interested in putting up an article which she had written. Debra later wrote and said that as a result of the warmth and encouragement with which this article was received here at the Café, that she had decided to tackle her novel again.

    Her novel, an autobiography is called “The Salmon’s Run”, has been accepted by her American publishers, so look out for it in Australian bookshops hopefully some time later this year.

  9. Most blogs, el gordo? Please name them.

    We don’t have any interest in copying and pasting an article from the MSM into our blog site and putting up our name as the author.

    Most of our posts are based on our own opinions or knowledge, not someone else’s.

  10. Debra would also have been welcomed up the road, but they rarely attract women because of their jokey and irreverent behaviour, which at times becomes quite bitchy.

    Much amusement.

    At some point in the future Fairfax may fall into a financial black hole and then Rupert gets beamed-up…

    Cannot visualise a world without the Third Estate, the electronic media feed off it and are probably incapable of gathering incisive news themselves.

    A question of transition……

  11. Steady on Migs… blogs usually give credit to the original authors and the source. There is little value otherwise.

  12. “At the moment most blogs operate by highlighting the msm stories and having discussions around those topics.”

    What is wrong with this. Is this not where one looks for current affairs.

    Are you suggesting we should make stories up, as many in the media choose to do.

    It is not true to suggest that is all that happens in blogs,

    I have introduced issues that are not current in the MSM but to do this all the time would be wrong.

    Among these have been what I believe a mandate to be.

    Miglo has raised many posts on Aboriginal issues.

    It would amount to forcing personal opinions and beliefs onto others. That should not be what it is about.

    el gordo, what do you believe we should be about.

    Cut and paste from the MSM is only putting up a topic for discussion.

    We could go to the trouble of saying what they said in our own words. What would that prove. It would only lead to misquotes being made.

    The cut and paste are always acknowledged, never claimed as our own work.

    What is the problem.

    By the way, there is much produced that is not in the MSM.

  13. El gordo, I wouldn’t jump to conclusions if I was you. Debra is a fine lady with a wonderful quirky sense of humour..however she doesn’t suffer fools lightly, she would have no interest in “up the road”.

  14. “Steady on Migs . .”

    Sorry, el gordo, I forgot the rules. The other place is allowed to accuse, abuse, slander, belittle, demean, taunt and harass this place but we can’t whisper a word about them.

    I’ll try and remember next time.

  15. ‘… what do you believe we should be about.’

    Glad you asked, apart from the barracking, its fine.

    My thinking is directed to the future and the role of news gathering. In much the same way as Fairfax run their country estate in NSW, the blogosphere is even better situated to provide a ‘bush telegraph’.

  16. That sounds like an interesting topic el gordo.

    I find I get the news quicker via blogs, Twitter and Facebook than relying on the online news sites.

  17. ‘I’ll try and remember next time.’

    Forget the factional brawling.


    Putting the finishing touches to a painting of the Willandra Lakes as seen from satellite 20,000 years BP…. dark shapes surrounded by desert…done in ‘pointilist’ style.

    The story board has begun…

  18. Migs, that is very true. For myself it’s mostly via the 1000+ dedicated people including on Migs’ Facebook Groups – Australians for an Honest Media, which has been going for as long as this blog has, or even longer (Migs..can you correct me on this one) and Migs’ new Café Whispers FB group. It pays to be versatile 🙂

    Exactly…we have the ‘goss’ long before anything appears in the MSM. But always, giving sources their due, these are always cited with references – such as via Twitter.

  19. I have developed many assets and liabilities over time.

    Late last century at journalism school I was part of the radical left out to break the media monopolies.

    It’s a long story of political intrigue and ‘predatory pricing’, which I won’t go into here…except to say I was naive.

    Networking and on the ground reporting is within reach for citizen journalists.

  20. El gordo, I would love to see that. My earliest qualifications were via a degree in Teaching where I majored in psychology and art. I have the artistic talent of a flea, but greatly admire people who do.

  21. El gordo, the networking is something that Migs’ foresaw..gosh it must be a couple of years ago now. He set up Café Whispers Mark 1, the Facebook group while we were all still part of Blogocrats.

  22. The formative years of the new media are exciting because there is little pressure, except for what you put on yourself.

    For a blog to rise above all the others and win the Bloggies is something worth chasing, if only for the fun in doing it. Jo Nova won this year.


    May show the painting later…when its finished.

  23. The message is more important than the site. I didn’t start this blog as an ego trip, I started it as a message board. These days it still is a message board: to get the message out about Indigenous Australians, our pathetic media and our inept opposition. That’s why we network and that’s why we promote our blog – we want people to read the message board.

    We also like to have fun. 🙂

  24. I have just watched Annabel Crabbe’s latest effort, her Kitchen Cabinet.

    It is worth watching. It gives a surprising insight into what our pollie’s are about.

    Senator Wong lives in a simple home, if\n what must be a beautiful part of SA.

    The senator comes across as a person that would be nice to be around.

    Cooking plays a very small part on the show.

  25. ‘…to get the message out about Indigenous Australians,’

    But its subjective and biased, so I will illustrate how the bush telegraph works beyond the msm.

    In a country town of 30,000 its not hard to pick up the local gos ….which never finds its way into the local rag.

    A couple came down from Dubbo to stay at my place, they had been invited to a family wedding.

    The other night the groom and a few of his mates were having a quiet time at a restaurant, but on their exit they were confronted by a large group of aboriginal men.

    They had been deliberately marked out, beaten severely and presumably robbed. The four young men ended up in hospital.

    This is happening all too often and the bush telegraph is alive, it just has to get up on the interwebys and the whole world will hear the truth.

  26. El gordo and..

    ‘…to get the message out about Indigenous Australians,’

    But its subjective and biased..

    My interpretation of this comment is that you mean that Migs’ topics about Aboriginals are biased due to personal feelings.

    Your own personal prejudices are revealed, much like your petticoats. You are basing your prejudice, not on the behaviour, but on the fact that the people were from a particular ethnic group.

    Are you saying that this behaviour is limited soley to the Aboriginal population? Or could this behaviour be attributed to any culture, for example Lebanese, African Australians, Vietnamese..oh wait, that’s what gets the headlines in the Murdoch media doesn’t it.

  27. I find that the posts are an attempt to counter what are subjective and biased interpretations from mainstream society. I’ve learned much from them.

  28. ‘Are you saying that this behaviour is limited soley to the Aboriginal population?’

    Excellent question.

    The town is next to a gold mine and all the young working men are gainfully employed, here and there, earning a premium wage.

    As a consequence there are no gangs of white youths roaming the town looking for trouble, although at some point there is usually a biff over a girl.

    The social welfare recipients (not the white trash) are getting a bad name on the bush telegraph, but if the local news media are too afraid to talk then I will.

  29. “The other night the groom and a few of his mates were having a quiet time at a restaurant, but on their exit they were confronted by a large group of aboriginal men.”

    el gordo anecdotal evidence proves that all Aboriginal young men act in this manner. Is this what you are implying.

    I also feel that you are also implying that anyone who supports Aboriginals are naive.

    Why not a group young louts.

    If we said a group or gang of young Caucasians, does that mean that all young white men are dangerous.

    The fact that they happen to be coloured does not add to the story.

    It is more likely it was a group or gang of young angry men, unemployed and with a chip on their shoulders, that bashed these men up.

    We should not assume that the four young men did not contribute to the affray. Maybe they did not, but it cannot be assumed.

    The bush telegraph is a wondrous thing, but it can at times be like Chinese whispers. The story grows as it goes along the line.

  30. “The social welfare recipients (not the white trash) are getting a bad name on the bush telegraph, but if the local news media are too afraid to talk then I will.”

    el gordo just be aware that you might not have all the facts. Just be aware that you could be stirring unnecessary strife and the wrong people get hurt.

    Have you spoke to the police and community bodies to see how they see the problem.

    You might just be surprise to find out, there is another explanation.

    Attacking a race is not fair on the majority who live blameless lives, which is generally the case.

    It only isolates the people who are in the position, with support to solve the problem.

    Maybe you are in the position to employ one of them.
    If you could do this, you are letting them know they count in society.

  31. Political correctness in our news media has us turning a blind eye to reality, this is not a healthy trend.

    I have aboriginal friends in small business, nice young family, he earns a lot more than me. Just making the point, we all intermingle, this is not a race issue.

    Cyril Pearl wrote a lovely book on the larrikin gangs which infested Sydney in the late nineteenth century and these thugs in the 21st century fit the bill nicely.

  32. Thinking of the network, it would have to be more reliable than the usual blog rolls.

    Committed individuals prepared to develop new ideas….heroic stuff, but revolution is not anticipated.

    A network collective could work towards winning the Bloggies and gaining a wider audience.

  33. “Political correctness in our news media has us turning a blind eye to reality, this is not a healthy trend.”

    I noticed that the bogey man, political correctness is back in vogue.

    We have not heard it mentioned since Mr. Howard’s day.

    What is the reality in your eyes. If I take what you have written at face value, all the Aboriginals in your Central West town are violent criminals.

    Political correctness has never been about turning a blind eye to reality.

    It is about not being free to say whatever you like, hurting people in the process.

    Maybe there is a problem in the town. Blaming a race of people is not fair and is not the way to deal with it.

    A person might be fat or a cripple. It does not help them to cope any better by you telling them they are a fat so and so or a useless cripple.

    If one has a problem, one addresses the problem not the whole community.

    The PC argument is only used when one does not have a worthwhile argument to support their stance.

    I could just as easily say, white boys from Dubbo go around picking on and getting into trouble with blacks. No more truth than what you are proposing. It would be not political correct for me to say so.

  34. The Indigenous topics are among the least commented on yet remain the ones that are most widely read and talked about. I receive much more personal feedback on those than any other.

    The last time I looked, one of the threads had 90 shares on Facebook. That’s an incredible audience with a reach of thousands.

    That’s worth bragging about. 🙂

  35. ‘I could just as easily say, white boys from Dubbo go around picking on and getting into trouble with blacks.’

    I’ll check it out, the Dubbo paper is a standout in the Fairfax stable…actually has integrity…or did.

    I barrack for the Sri Lankans, I’m not racist.

  36. Min @ 12.57pm, yes it was “inspiring’ wasn’t it … it reminded me of a comment that Bacchus made a couple of days ago. 😯

  37. ‘That’s worth bragging about.’

    Yes, but you only get bragging rights if you can triple it.

  38. El gordo at 2:43. Couldn’t agree more. That’s why we network this blog on Facebook and Twitter.

    As far as a collective blog, that’s a sound idea. Fairly hard to implement yet it has been discussed by a number of we blog owners. The biggest obstacle is that many owners are very protective of their sites and don’t want to give up their ownership.

  39. Migs, precisely it. I seem to recall that one comment on one of your Indigenous topics was that Aboriginal people often feel that their cause for equality is pushed aside until the time that it is dragged out again to become a political issue.

    It’s the same as for Gay issues, of which I have written at some length.

    Not because it’s going to get more “hits”, or increase readership, or win alcolades from the barrackers, but because it’s something that needs saying and that it’s the right thing to do.

  40. Since we started ‘advertising’ on Facebook a bit over a month ago we already have over 210 Likes. And take a look at them; all age groups and nationalities are presented. Our readership is on the march.

  41. El gordo, why should they mention race? Why to your mind is race such an important issue. Does this “colour” your point of view, if you’ll pardon the pun.

    That they are “slum dwellers” is classist and an indication of an attitude from a stuck up snob.

  42. Race should

    el gordo just does not get it.

    When race is bought into the equation, it makes matters harder to solve.

  43. In a small community like Dubbo there is no need to mention anything more than we have a problem.

    Further east the people have to rely on the bush telegraph for bad news.

    ‘When race is bought into the equation, it makes matters harder to solve.’

    Not sure about that, the authorities are well aware of the situation, but if the electorate is deliberately kept in the dark by the local media then its not good for democracy.

  44. In conclusion…there is a niche market to be had in a strong network with an eye for news. Funny and serious at the same time, always ahead of the nooze cycle.

  45. In conclusion, the comment about a niche market is a wank because NONE OF US are making a brass razzoo from the blogs. Not one of us, unless your ‘boss’ isn’t letting on.

    As far as the race issue, I think that you el gordo might have forgotten that there are a number of us here with blood ties to the Aboriginal and indigenous communities.

    But that’s the truth of the matter isn’t it. It’s fine to make accusations about Aboriginals, thinking that you’re talking to white and upper class, some latte sipper elites..but just say, what if…what if..we here are nothing which you imagine us to be.

  46. El gordo, we here are not in it for the money. And it would be a bit underhand of me to try and make money off this site, while although the blog master, the blog belongs to everybody. I’m not the only person who puts in a lot of effort keeping it running, Min is a great asset as are the other authors.

  47. Roswell, thank you I’m certain that Migs will pass the hat around at the first available opportunity..we should make enough for at least 10 tickets in the meat raffle.

  48. Min its not a race issue, more the same old story of a marginalised group in society.

    Migs, we all know it doesn’t pay at this level, but it might be possible to get blood from a stone the higher you go. The soft underbelly of monopoly capital is advertising…without cash flow they are done.

    I would quite happily work pro bono to see that transpire.

  49. Thanks el gordo. I’ve got some ideas flowing around in my head about money making ventures on the Internet. There’s money to be made out there.

    I was recently telling Min about an idea I have in mind. It will all be revealed in the fullness of time.

  50. “Not sure about that, the authorities are well aware of the situation, but if the electorate is deliberately kept in the dark by the local media then its not good for democracy.”

    Stirring up a community, blaming everyone of one race is certainly good for democracy.

    I think not. People in that community that are not doing wrong, are entitled to the same protection as you are.

    They do not deserve to be tarred with the same brush as those who are doing wrong, because of their skin.

    All it does is to prove to people with racist prejudices how right they are. Except it does not prove this, All it proves is that some that live in that area are not very nice people.

    These people are also likely to be at the bottom of the economic heap and the top of the unemployment queue.

    They are also more likely to have poor education and live in over crowded accommodation.

    They are more likely to be bought up in homes effected by alcoholism and poor health.

    All these things are a better indicator of the expectations of bad behaviour than the colour of their skin.

  51. I’m thinking seriously of retiring soon, even though I’ve got many working years ahead of me before I come of age. With my lupus I can’t keep going the way I am. I love my job and the pay is grand but I’m getting warn out.

    I’ve thought about some consulting work but that might be just as pacey.

    Lots of thinking to do over the next couple of months, career wise.

    If Abbott wins the next election I’ll be out of the public service in a flash. The Libs were pricks to work for last time. Don’t expect them to have changed.

  52. El gordo, there are a lot of get rich quick ideas out there. For example, EBay..people were for a brief while making mega on the idea of getting something cheaper for the least amount of effort. No such thing as a quick and fancy buck..because along comes the dreaded taxation department.

  53. Citizen journalism is still in its infancy and there is a lot to learn…some academic discussion may give us a lead.

  54. It’s a very interesting subject. What we are also seeing with the rise of the citizen journalist is a concerted effort by the MSM to stamp it out completely.

  55. El gordo, from your link:

    Opinion vs. Reporting

    This is where the MSM is struggling, we the bloggers link to what has been reported and therefore are honest in that which we provide is Opinion. The exceptions being first hand accounts ie. easy, it’s primary and secondary sources which every law and journo student knows about and is basic common sense.

    Meanwhile, in an attempt to compete the MSM provides Opinion dressed up as Reporting thereby blurring the lines. However, the MSM have become a bit of a joke citing “informed sources”, “reliable sources” etc etc.

    Imagine if a blog tried the same laughable trick and said “informed sources”….

  56. Nick Griener to do the audits for Abbott. Talk about going back to the past.

    Surely Mr. Abbott can find just one little thing that applies and comes from today.

    I will forget about having plans for tomorrow.

  57. Yes, I agree Migs. It is also more than that. It is men that have been faceless for decades that appear to be in the driving seat, not only Federally but state-wide.

    It is a little frightening. We have a leader in Queensland that may not even gain a seat. Who will be the leader is a great secret. Weird.

    Where do these people get their mandates from?

  58. Defence in new war of words

    The rift between the Government and the Defence Department has deepened, with a former Labor defence minister lashing out at a retired senior officer after he dubbed him an “auto-electrician in a suit”.

    Former defence minister and now government whip Joel Fitzgibbon has criticised retired Maj-Gen. John Cantwell after the officer suggested the NSW MP was “out of his depth” in the role.

    Until recently, Maj-Gen. Cantwell was the most senior officer running the war in Afghanistan for Australia from the United Arab Emirates.

    *** Just saying…Mr. Cantwell’s very critical article arose from the Skype sexual assualt case, yet he omitted any reference to the victim in the case. Maybe he simply forgot…. or not.

    Maj-Gen. Cantwell complained Mr Fitzgibbon constantly asked for PowerPoint presentations to be “dumbed down” so he could explain them to Cabinet.

    Mr Fitzgibbon said it was “hugely elitist” of Maj-Gen. Cantwell to suggest that because he was a former car mechanic he was not up to being defence minister. He said it was true he asked Defence brass to simplify the presentations because they were crammed full of acronyms no civilian could understand.

  59. Pip, everyone appears to be ignoring the fact that there is a victim in the matter, and it is not high flying Defence Force Officers.

    They are big enough to look after themselves.

    Why are we not hearing from high flying female Officers. I know there are not many, but surely they have something to say on the matter.

    What power could a eighteen female have.

    At the end of the day, the minister is boss.

    Every job I ever had, it was up to me to get on with the boss, even when I had no respect for them whatever.

    It appears that some believe it is up to the minister to keep the Officers happy.

    I think not. It is up to the minister to keep us, the voters happy. It is up to the minister to do what needs doing, to do what is right for the Nation.

    Whether the Officers like him or not, is immaterial.

    I did not know that such hero’s has such fragile feelings.

  60. Cu, over many years journalists have given the distinct impression that the head honchos in the ADF believe themselves to be superior to their Minister.

    Where are the female voices in the ADF on this matter? ….my guess is they’ve all got their heads well below the parapet.

  61. The usual attitude from the Defence Force officers is no different to that of many male bosses, that females who make complaints of sexual harassment are being a nuisance..and what did she expect anyway, especially if she wants to work where there are lots of men. This attitude was expressed by Defence Association spokesman Neil James who said that cadets (presumably the male ones) need to let off sexual steam.

  62. This attitude was expressed by Defence Association spokesman Neil James who said that cadets (presumably the male ones) need to let off sexual steam.

    Well that certainly legitimises it.

  63. Talk about rubbish in the media:

    CROWS midfielder Bernie Vince is embroiled in his third off-field drama in less than two years, bringing into collision his social life and the demands of an AFL footballer.

    Vince on Monday fronted Adelaide football operations chief Phil Harper after allegations of inappropriate behaviour at Stansbury on the Yorke Peninsula just a week before the Crows play in the NAB Cup grand final.

    Vince confirmed he had joined his Stansbury cricket team-mates on Sunday morning in the local hotel, where they were celebrating their ninth consecutive premiership.

    He admitted – with regret – being part of the team ritual that involved “skolling” a beer while dressed only in his boxer shorts.

    Now who really cares.

    Protocol demands that I provide a link.


  64. This attitude was expressed by Defence Association spokesman Neil James who said that cadets (presumably the male ones) need to let off sexual steam.

    Well that certainly legitimises it.

    I might remind you that the issue was not consensual sex … but that the act was recorded and beamed to others …

    … I’m pretty sure that young women have a libido too … not just men …

    … opinions are what blogs are about but facts are usefulo too …

  65. The issue also is that Abbott’s call that the Defence Forces “didn’t want” Smith as Defence Minister was backed up by Neil James. James was trotted out as support for Tony Abbott – yet James as Miglo has stated, previously had provided “shallow justification” for the incident.

  66. I’m certain that Tony Abbott wouldn’t see a problem, after all what are women doing in the defence forces anyway when they should be home behind the ironing board, and the unmarried ones, well they should all be virgins and so the incident would never have happened in Tony Abbott’s reality..the girl should have kept her legs crossed and said a few Hail Mary’s instead..problem solved.

  67. I’m not a fan of some ex officer with an axe to grind who started up his own “association”, according to his website blurb, a bipartisan one … but consensual sex has been established …

    … the fact that she was then “marched in” for other offences, (absent from parade, drunk and disorderly, I believe) … demonstrates poor management and political nounce, by senior officers, to me …

    The female cadet in question is serving in Queensland at the moment and expects to join the RAAF …

    … just sayin’

  68. TB, I admit to not being aware that she was a willing participant. It adds a new complexion to the story. I think it dampens it as a story.

    Just the media and the opposition trying to get some political mileage.

    In my day the army used to put bromite in the drinking water to suppress the male libido.

    Naturally they were wasting it on me. My intentions were always honourable.

  69. I don’t think that the fact that the act was consensual matters in the slightest, in fact that has never been the issue.

    The scandal broke in April last year when an 18-year-old female cadet at the officer training academy went to the media saying she had been filmed having consensual sex with a male cadet.

    After she went public she was then forced to apologise to the male cadets involved. Is this is the way that a case of harassment should be handled..clearly some males think that it is.

  70. It has nothing to do with sex, which was consensual.

    It was to do with pornography. This occurred when the upstanding young blade thought it was good idea to televise it by Skype to his mates down the hall in real time.

    The girl had no idea of this happening and at no time gave consent.

    The fact that she found out, says to me, they not only watched but could not keep their mouths shut, broadcasting it far and wide.

    It was only after the girl went to the media, that it sunk into those illustrious upstanding officers, that maybe a crime had been committed.

    Before this, they believe as she had given consent, no crime had been committed.

    The girl never gave consent to an event she did not know was happening. That is televising the event to his mates. It puzzles me why only two have been charged. There were six involved.

    Now how many of these officers or the males supporting them would like to have their sexual partner televise the act, to their girlfriends in the room next door. Not many, I believe.

    Maybe someone should ask Mr. Bolt or Mr. Kroger, that question.

    Does a minister of Defence have to agree with the forces at all times, or is it OK to disagree now and then.

    This is all that is happening with Mr. Smith. He does not agree with the action taken. He has also said it is not up to him to agree or disagree. It is not him that has to make the decision.

    It is not about whether the officer act illegally or not. He did not.

    It is about he lack of empathy at the time and since with the young girl, who happened to be a victim.

  71. The Argus is a very good newspaper because it is prepared to be involved in the debate.

    At first, after the town meeting….. race was not mentioned, but later when the aboriginal community spoke up, it liberated the editor.

    So it boils down once again to unruly youths misbehaving in town and country….apparently they are Australians.

  72. ‘The national climate report, to be released today, said Australia’s current climate ”cannot be explained by natural variability alone” and that emissions resulting from human activity were playing an increasingly direct role in shaping temperatures.

    ‘Australian researchers were able to identify the ”fingerprint” of the carbon dioxide particles in the atmosphere, by testing the isotopes in CO2 particles, and confirm that the increase came from fossil fuels burnt in power stations and cars.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-emissions-hit-a-new-record-20120313-1uyk8.html#ixzz1p4cbabXv

  73. We’re also edging close to the average wholesale price of the wine Bacchus likes to drink here. Which reminds me, it’s been a while since I checked his tab. :mrgreen:

  74. it’s been a while since I checked his tab

    Sorry about that Migs – I “accidentally” spilled a rough red on the slate the other night, and completely wiped out all the tabs 😦

  75. Fear not Bacchus, Migs has each bottle accounted for..I think that it involves an invisible marking pen and some spy cameras…

  76. Arthur C. Clarke Predicts the iPad in 1968


    Unpacking humanity’s collective conscience through ‘the last word in man’s quest for perfect communications.’

    In 1964, legendary science fiction writer, inventor, and futurist Arthur C. Clarke predicted the future with astounding accuracy, presaging everything from telecommuting to the digital convergence. It turns out he predicted the future in even more granular detail in his 1968 novel-turned-Kubrick-classic 2001 A Space Odyssey, where in Chapter 9 he describes the “newspad” — a strikingly prescient vision for the iPad.

  77. I played a game of cricket in Cootamundra, the town of Bradman’s birth. It produces good cricketers. Between us we have a batting average just shy of 100.

    In my one and only game (against Wombat) I strode to the crease with the team in dire straights at 5/9. We were 6/9 when I strode from the crease the very next ball.

    I was determined to hang around in the second innings, which I did, getting my eye in. I started to play a few good shots and felt rather good in myself.

    I was in the middle for quite a while before eventually falling for my second duck of the match.

  78. 99.9.

    Pip, but I was a brilliant footballer, for many years the fast leading, high leaping, long kicking full forward for Blackwood.

    They probably still talk about me.

  79. Miglo, I used to kick 90 metres…..45 metres up and 45 metres down again,…while standing in the same spot……

    and yes, they probably do still talk about you. 😯

  80. Crows recruiter quits over racist comments

    Adelaide recruiting manager Matthew Rendell has quit after saying the club would not draft a player unless he had at least one white parent.

    Rendell, who has been Adelaide’s recruiting manager since 2007, was widely condemned on Friday for the racist comments.

    Adelaide chief executive officer Steven Trigg said Rendell’s position was “absolutely untenable”.

    “We can’t have him attached to the club,” Trigg told reporters on Friday.

    “In no forum on any part of the club has there been any suggestion about changing our recruiting policies.”

    It’s bad luck for Mr. Rendell if he was “misunderstood”, but well doneTriggy.

    Mr. Rendell has also worked for the Port Adelaide Football Club and I don’t believe either PAFC or the Crows, AFC, have ever shown any sign of doing what Mr. Rendell suggested.

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