Gillard 71, Rudd 31.

Nothing in the media at this stage.  We will update the thread later.

11.09am: David Speers on Sky News says he has just got a message saying they are still counting inside the caucus room. Could Rudd be demanding a recount?

11.21am: Again from Sky News – the final tally is Gillard 71, Rudd 31.

11.30am: David Speers, “This gives Julia Gillard a firmer hold on the leadership”.

From The Age:

Michelle Grattan says this result is an overwhelming endorsement of Julia Gillard by her party.

It has basically said we are going to stick with what we’ve got and this means it is unlikely Kevin Rudd is going to have any sort of resurrection later on.

We will hear a lot of talk about unity and that will come from both camps. What’s important is how Julia Gillard settles down the government.

166 comments on “Gillard 71, Rudd 31.

  1. Without the whiteanting which went before, the government might, just might, have some ‘clear air’ to sell their health and education reforms; the carbon pricing compensation will kick in soon and those who haven’t been paying attention will receive extra benefit and realise what has been done.

  2. She now has to win the minds of the public that supported Kev, she needs to now look at fixing the party from the ground up, back to basics, back to the core, she has to overcome mistrust that this in-fighting has caused. Starting with all the local labor members meeting at local halls all around Australia.

  3. Passions have been stirred, might be good time for a membership recruitment drive. …… groundhog day??, what did Tony call 4 an election??? again with the election, Antonio.

  4. Question from journo to anna bligh

    do you think kevin will go on the campaign trail for you, now that he has more time on his hands?

  5. According to Julia Gillard is now bloodied. They got it wrong. She won. How much did Abbott win by again?

  6. Joe Hilderbrand has offered his congratulations to Tony Abbott. Excuse me, but WTF?

    Stand by for another Tony Abbott says.

  7. Geoff it’s Tony Abbott who is providing us with groundhog day.

    “election. election, election” without a trigger he’s firing blanks!

  8. Now let’s get on with it …

    Reminds of the time we finally got rid of a CEO who was costing us thousands of $$$ a day with his fumbling and farting around, reversing decisions on the hour …

    Rudd’s dust, as far The Mothership crew and I are concerned. (I won the onboard sweep, BTW! I have no idea when I shall be able to collect) …

    You humans … :mrgreen:

  9. It’s nice to see a positive outlook…

    3 Outcomes of the Gillard Win – And Why Labor Aren’t Screwed

    ~certainty, stability and civility.

    For too long politics has been about appeasing the public to gather votes and chopping down those that threat your position. Every week it seems there’s another poll out distracting politicians from what they’re employed to do – develop and pass policy for the betterment of the country.

    Finally, with this conclusive victory Julia Gillard and her mates will be able to get back to their jobs of putting together well-construed policy to foster business growth and protect the business environment from external economic threats.

  10. Sky on Gillard and her announcement of a ministerial reshuffle in the forthcoming days.

    – gracious, can beat Tony Abbott, regret that she didn’t explain in ’10 why Rudd had to go…their summary: a strong performance, an improvement in articulating her ideas for the future.

  11. If anything has come out of this for Julia Gillard and this is that you can have the best policies and the best team, but you also need to get out there and sell it. The proof of this is that Tony Abbott has nothing going for him except salesmanship, but he does this extremely well to a public who are generally not inclined to read anything else except the headlines.

  12. Here we go..Tony Abbott on Sky..what else 🙄

    This is a baaaaad government, he reminds me of sheep when he says old stringy one…

  13. Now he’s demanding that the Independents state publicly, what their position is regarding the legitimacy of the Prime Minister’s position.

    He’s full of it!

  14. Pip, I know what Tony Windsor has said in the past about Tony Abbott “demanding”..toned down, without doubt for public consumption..but it was along the lines of how Tony Abbott could shove it.

  15. Min, Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Adam Bandt have said the same thing since the Minority govt., was formed.

    She’s able to work with all the diifferent parties to succeed in getting the reforming legislation over the line

    Abbott’s first question….
    Given that she has one third of the party and a quarter of her party are against her blah blah

    He’s on another planet!

  16. Gillard reminds him that half of his colleagues didn’t support him, and the member for Wentworth is eyeing up his position

    Robb evicted already.

  17. Speaker reminds Deputy opposition Leader Julie Bishop and others of the rules…

    PM reminds Bishop that she used to be in favour of carbon pricing before she wasn’t in favour of carbon pricing 😯

  18. Combet going for it…previously named the amount of investment since the announcement of the carbon tax..I missed the amount he nominated.

  19. My favourite ‘older man’ 82 year old Christopher Plummer won an a Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his role in Beginners, which is about a man ‘coming out’ very late in life.
    Must see.

  20. MSSO. Look out, the PM has not left the house.

    I think Mr.Abbott would have been better to miss this action. Mr. Abbott has lowered the value actions.

    He is not going to achieve anything.

    But then that is nothing new for the Opposition leader.

  21. So the perfect asshole is screaming for an election. I wish he’d shut up for once. And how can he keep a straight when he calls the PM a liar? Pot. Meet kettle.

  22. Ego and ambition of this PM.

    One thing for sure, it will never reach the level of his.

    Decency and humility.

    The Speaker is letting him go, not bringing him back to standing orders.
    he giving him enough rope to hang himself.

    Once again sentences that do not connect to one and other and wander off into other strands and tangents.

    ‘Nothing new.

    What is the point, not one word that has not been well and truly in the public domain for the last week.

    Ms. Bishop is nearly in tears.

  23. Choice between a psychopath and sociopath.

    Bishop once again challenging the speaker. Pyne is now doing the same.

    Bishop sat down.

  24. Sue @12.43pm, loved Kernot’s line. A brilliant politician wasted by the boys club of the ALP, imo. I don’t think it would happen these days.

    Roswell, Hildebrand usually laughs at his own jokes.

    They’re jokes, Pip?

    …….he reminds me of sheep when he says old stringy one…

    Yes, Min. The broken mouthed one you kill for the dogs.

    The PM was on fire today. I don’t think Liealot will want to bring up the subject of who’s got more support from their colleagues, too often. 1 vote and half don’t want him vs 40 votes and over 2/3 support isn’t a comparison you’d want bandied about too often!

    Bishop, J pathetic, Prissy somewhat subdued, imo. Liealot in desperate need of a GREAT BIG NEW SLOGAN as suggested by Michael Wilson.

    CU @3.07pm, and the PM and Combet have slayed the LIars on that subject.

  25. Jan, Smudgy Bugglers concentrated on the
    “1/3 of her Parliamentary colleagues and a quarter of her Cabinet colleagues don’t support her.

    The PM struck back at Abbott about his 1 vote majority; however, he’s a radio, no reception!
    She also mentioned that Mr. Turnbull is still around….

  26. Mark Arbib has resigned as Assistant Treasurer and also as the Minister for Sport.
    He is also resigning as a Senator

  27. We are now back on FWA and Mr. Thompson.

    Why, they will have their answers in a coupe of weeks. Why not one on the economy, such as they claim high taxes.

  28. Jane and the other big mouth of the opposition, Credlin, is on the promise of banishment.
    no wonder tones wanders off course

  29. I don’t know cu, it was breaking news.

    Cu, I’m wondering whether he may have been quietly under suspicion for all this time.
    Arbib on ABC24 now. Tech probs.

  30. Mr. Hawker is being disingenuous if he believes factions are to blame.

    They say that the PM said Mr. Rudd have trouble adding up, I can only assume Mr. Hawker suffers from a similar disability.

    The only thing that was evident about factions at this time, is that they are fractured.

    In the end though, it was a tactic that failed to win over his colleagues and Ms Gillard won the vote 71 to 31.

    Labor Party strategist and Rudd advisor Bruce Hawker says he is surprised more Labor backbenchers did not swing behind Mr Rudd.

    “Well I think we may have misjudged the power of the factional leaders to really enforce the vote,” he said.

    “We didn’t misjudge public opinion on it though. And I think it’s a case where we won the public opinion war but lost the battle in the caucus.”

    It appears that Arbid is resigning for family reasons. I am inclined to believe him.

    It would be better I think that more politicians moved on before they become stale.

    My mother’s family live by taking over run down small businesses in the first half of last century. My mother and grandfather believed that you gave yourself four years at the most to build the business up then move on. Their rationality was that by that time, you have nothing else to offer. I believe politics and business leaders have the same problems.

    I do believe the country did not gain by having Mr. Menzies and Mr. Howard around for so long. Mr. Keating prevented Mr. Hawke from making this mistake. He did us a favour.

  31. Arbib.
    Opportunity to rebuild.
    ” to mend.

    Toll on family.
    Wife has made sacrifices.
    Told his wife he would review his position at age 40.
    Extremely proud of both the Rudd and Gillard govt., reforms; he listed them can’t keep up…

    Has worked with some wonderful people.
    Loved being Sports Minister national laws on m atch fiixing

    Same sex marriage – worked hard
    Homelessness improvements.

    Personally on Indigenous employment and closing the gap with new programs.
    work is being done now and labor should get credit for it.

    His leaves today without bitterness or anger but with hope for Labor’s future.

    “Faceless men” tag was Tony Abbott’s idea.

    Has a lot of respect for julia gillard, she’s a wonderful politician.

    Being a part of the factions he was a factioanl leader

    Labor is a social justice party. Hopes that will continue into the future.

  32. I saw Abbott’s press conference (sic). He reminded me of Bertie in the Kings Speech.

    Swallowing his ahs and hoping the hell he doesn’t stuff up.

  33. LOVO and Pip, thank you for that. This is clearly another reason why Julia said that she would announce a reshuffle, but later in the week..perhaps even more to come.

  34. We have to give Abbott credit where it’s due rabbit….he came up with ONE new line which he seemed to like….

    something about an “execution”….

  35. Yes. I believe he has a young family.

    I think that Mr. Rudd might be a little selfish, expecting his wife to uproot her life once again for him. At least his family is now old enough to not be affected.

    I believe this PM has plans for the party. I see her as being serious about ensuring the party regenerates itself, on a ongoing basis.

    It would not surprise me if the PM struck while the iron was hot a found a

    The PM has sure been busy today. The PM can certainly do more that one thing at once. I am not being sexist, but women are generally good at that.

  36. Min I couldn’t really keep up but that’s the gist of it.

    He also said he had been the leader of the Right faction but not recently and they have to make “tough” decisions….

  37. Pip, Tony called it “a stay of execution” for Gillard..perhaps he thinks that he needs over the top rhetoric in order for people to take him seriously.

  38. Arbib said he’s trying to give the Party a chance to get over this episode.

    Maybe he means that it wouldn’t hurt to have a new face or two…

  39. Pip, no Arbib isn’t making much sense..denies that he was one of the faceless men but also says that his resignation will help the party “to get over the last 18 months”.

  40. Min, it’s been interesting to hear him speak at this late stage; sounds as if he took a great interest in Indigenous affairs.

  41. Well Arbib going has lanced the festering ulcer known as the NSW disease.
    This may be the first step in the long road back for the State Labor organisation.

  42. A Harley biker is riding by the zoo in Taronga Park, Sydney when he sees a little girl leaning into the lion’s cage.

    Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the cuff of her jacket and tries to pull her inside to slaughter her, under the eyes of her screaming parents.

    The biker jumps off his Harley, runs to the cage and hits the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch.

    Whimpering from the pain the lion jumps back letting go of the girl, and the biker brings her to her terrified parents who thank him endlessly.

    A reporter has watched the whole event. The reporter addressing the Harley rider says, ‘Sir, this was the most gallant and brave thing I’ve seen a man do in my whole life.’

    The Harley rider replies, ‘Why, it was nothing, really, the lion was behind bars. I just saw this little kid in danger and acted as I felt right.’

    The reporter says, ‘Well, I’ll make sure this won’t go unnoticed. I’m a journalist, and tomorrow’s paper will have this story on the front page…
    So, what do you do for a living and what political affiliation do you have?’

    The biker replies, ‘I’m an SAS soldier just returned from Afghanistan and a Labor party supporter’

    The journalist leaves.

    The following morning the biker buys the paper to see news of his actions, and reads, on the front page:


    That pretty much sums up the media’s approach to the news these days.

  43. Rabbit he did stuff up and it showed. Would love to see a transcript of that media exercise. I am sure that Patricia would be able to mark it for us.

    One does not use short sentences that he slings together and have no connection with each other.

    He stops mid sentence and moves onto a different areas, he goes off in tangents that go nowhere.

    One does not slowly say three or four words, in a tone that one keeps for two and three year olds.

    To add insult to injury, he has nothing new to say.

    Most of what he says doesn’t make sense. As far as he is concerned, it does not has to.

    Patricia, there must be a poem there somewhere.

  44. Sue @4.12pm, the Liars Party seems to have an over abundance of trout mouths, don’t you think?

    rabbit @4.29pm, and he definitely needs some GREAT BIG NEW SLOGANS, the current crop are pretty frayed around the edges. Perhaps he could hire Bruce Hawker.

    Migs @4.43pm. 😆

  45. Here’s another one that I got wrong – I was certain that Kevin Rudd would retire at the next election, but not so he has said that he will continue to serve his electorate beyond the next election.

  46. Is it wishful thinking or are we looking at a sea-change in the Labor Party and politics in general.

    I remember clearly the day that Mr. Whitlam lost his job, That day was high excitement. It was a day, an era came to an end. The next few years were not that good. We learnt what stagflation was.

    Today has been a little bit of a fizzer, but there appears to be a undertone that suggests that things have changed.

    Even the media appear to be behaving different.

    Mr. Abbott has lost his chance, the changed has already occurred.

    All Labor has to get past, is the FWA affair. No one in Labor seems concerned about that. Mr Thompson appears very relaxed.

    The truth is that the PM has the skills that are needed at this time. The skills she has are very rare.

    Fractional leaders have a role to play. They keep a party focus and apploes some discipline. Sometimes they go overboard, just like law officials do.

  47. Pip, yes it seems that Arbib had a passion for indigenous affairs, something that I didn’t realize..therefore he was probably instrumental in Warren Mundine being his replacement.

  48. Min, that was and wasn’t a surprise to me.
    I think he’s genuine in his statement that he’s going to serve the people of Gfiffith, and maybe he is still thinking of playing the lo—ng game.

    I find it easy to believe – it’s never over till it’s over.

  49. No, motor mouth was really subdued. As for Bishop, she was shaking with anger,

    This speaker is putting them in their place.

    It does not appear be worrying the PM but it sure is the other side.

    He tightens up the bit a little each day.

  50. Cu,
    Bishop always looks hard-faced, but she was absolutely livid and ugly angry today.
    Can you imagine what she and the rest of them will be like at the end of next year?

    All the reform legislation will be long bedded down, people will have extra cash in hand, and Tony will still be saying he’ll tell all about his policies “in due course”.

  51. Lol, Pip @5.09pm. But she lost her place a few times, i noticed. I thought the PM spoke with renewed vigour and passion in QT and I really enjoyed her display of authority during the presser after the ballot.

    I definitely think she’s found her mojo and I was particularly pleased when she KOd Liealot on the “who’s got the most support” round.

    I have a feeling the Liars Party won’t go down this route too often; Liealot’s more vulnerable on that score than she is, atm.

    Arbib’s replacement looks like he’s a good operator and I’m willing to bet he’ll be a great asset in the Senate, the first of many Original Custodians in Parliament, I hope. I wonder if we’ll be lucky enough to see the first Original Custodian Labor PM?

    I sincerely hope Mr Rudd sticks to his undertaking to cease white-anting and throws his support behind the government from now on and also goes on to have a long and fruitful career.

  52. Jane, Bishop had her notes in front of her, and was being terribly theatrical, so theatrical in fact that she couldn’t see straight 😆

  53. Sounds nasty,Min…. hope u can find a salve 4 that or take two solecism’s and straight ‘to bed you go.’

  54. Cu, in spite of the fact that I agree with just about none of the descriptions of Gillard, I still think that it’s excellent advice regarding the need for the Australian people to get to know their PM better.

    I remember her looking absolutely stunning in evening dress, this was prior to the last election. I think of my (very) brief stint as a local journo and the Golden Rules were: 1. The headline, 2. The photograph and 3. The first paragraph.

    4. Would be the concluding statement and the guts of the article is the thing which only few people bother to read.

    I would therefore ditch the power dressing, glam up a bit and give people something to talk about.

  55. CU, I think he was deluded enough to think the PM would be vulnerable after the last few days. How wrong he was. And I have a sneaking suspicion that he may not be as safe as LOTO as people think.

    There is also much to like about Peter Slipper’s performance as Speaker; he’s really forcing the chamber to be on its best behaviour and while the rants might still go on a bit, I’m hopeful that with better behaviour, we might get better and more sensible debate from both sides.

    The lack of discipline in the house is a matter of enormous irritation to me. While most oppositions try to score points, sometimes they come up with questions which are pertinent and interesting and I’d like to hear both the question and the answer treated with civility.

    I agree wrt Bruce Hawker. The snub to him was very pointed, rude and disrespectful, I thought considering all the effort Hawker put in to engineer Mr Rudd’s challenge.

    Pip, Bishop, J has a face you could crack rocks on! She almost makes Slagabella look stable.

    By the end of next year, I reckon there will be a lot of very glum faces on the opposition benches as No No Antoinette offers up a budget black hole the size of the Milky Way a and three word slogolicies as his vision for the future of the country.

    I wonder which will be the most popular? The Stop the Boatsolicy, the No More Wasteolicy, The I Haven’t Got any Policies policy?

  56. Min, judging by the general impression given by the PM’s critics in the comments columns and on talkback they might never get past the headline.

    Julie Bishop appears to favour the Chanel label….

    I’d much prefer our PM to use Australian labels.

  57. Jane, I think that there are going to be one hell of “a lot of very glum faces on the opposition benches.”. The Challenge has kept a lot of journos busy for the past 18 months, so goodness what will they do now. There are only so many re-runs that they can do of Tony’s: I want another election, and I want it now!

  58. What’s your problem with split infinitives Min? Last I heard, they were fine.

    Good job with the solecisms though 🙂

  59. I think you are right about her going out and meet’n the people, she should go to regional Oz and help reinvigorate local labor groups. Grass-root support will give better returns re: attracting base membership.

  60. LOVO i have no idea who Tod was but I know the women in my family favoured a hot toddy….. brandy + hot water + sugar…..
    it worked a treat 😯

  61. Min, i think I have an answer to your question, the question being asked as a headliner on one commercial station now is :-

    “Do you think Kevin Rudd will try again?”

    That should keep the media types busy talking to each other for months.

  62. MIn, Abbott could run the alternative which he will no doubt have to face with Turnbull, that is the threat of Kevin Rudd looking over Julia’s shoulder, but i don’t think that’ll fly right now.

  63. I have no doubt that the Labor leader tussle will be copied by the other side, (well they gotta get their ideas from somewhere) but I hope they dont look to their Fractions, ’cause they ain’t to good with maths.

  64. Pip, as someone pointed out Rudd received about the same votes as he did when he was defeated..therefore for all his personal popularity, the votes just aren’t there for him. Two defeats and that’s goodbye to Kevin at least while Julia Gillard remains PM. Who knows, Rudd has said that he will contest his seat at the next election, so should Labor lose he may decided to have a crack at Leader of the Opposition.

    However, you’re probably right the mindless media may try to keep the speculation alive for what of anything important to report on, such as policies.

  65. Well, what a few interesting days just passed. Probably time for me to get a hot toddy and read all the comments I’ve missed out on. From what I’ve seen it has been very lively around here. Thanks to all of you for your contributions.

    Now where’s my St Agnes brandy (a fine South Australian product). 🙂

  66. I was raised on St Agnes and Coke, lots of ice. The diabetes put an end to the Coke so red wine took over. Without the brandy, of course. Perhaps Bacchus could tell us how they go together. :mrgreen:

  67. An old mate that I play pool with is an ex-port player from that era and he’s a born and bred Hillite just like me. I quite often remind him of THAT grand final, ha…. anyway gotta go to bottle’o’, gunna try meself a hot toddy….. see what you’ve started Pip

  68. I believe she has lost weigh or is exercising. Maybe both. I find the woman an enigma too.

    I have had great hopes for her for years. I felt that the main reason she took over because she was better able to served it back to the media than Rudd was. I have been a little disappointed, but I should not be.
    The PM has focus on what needed to be done first. Get the policies through, there is time to deal with the media later.

    My faith has been revived. The PM is and will now put the media in their place.

    Speaker Slipper seem to have the same way of operating. One step at a time.

    With Slipper it is put them in the vice and turn gently every day. The man would make a good torturer.

    I believe this lady only believes in winning.

  69. From Malcolm Farnsworth..maybe so, only time will tell.

    Rudd’s former press secretary, Lachlan Harris, described the Rudd demolition as a “neo-nuclear” strategy, a suicide attack on the former leader. To others, it was reminiscent of the rhetorical excesses of student politics or the florid accusations bandied about in Labor’s internal elections. It was overkill.

    The willingness to not just defeat Rudd but to crush him, like so many of the stratagems dreamed up by the cabal of right-wing faction and union leaders who prop up Gillard, sets a dangerous precedent. One day the favour will be returned. As that old Labor war-horse Fred Daly liked to point out: “Do unto others as they would do unto you, only do it sooner, quicker and better.”

  70. Unbelievable that Hawker is still making comments like this in interview with the ABC even after the vote and all those conciliatory speeches. Does he still want to work for the ALP?

    “Well I think we may have misjudged the power of the factional leaders to really enforce the vote,” he said.

    “We didn’t misjudge public opinion on it though. And I think it’s a case where we won the public opinion war but lost the battle in the caucus.”

    Who the hell is working for? We?!!!!!

  71. Yes Migs – “Chilled red wine” doesn’t sound quite right for some reason (although we’ll often put a bottle in the fridge for about 20 minutes or so on a 32°C day in Qld). Still, the sangria could be worth a try some time just to see what it’s like, and we’ve got a Grant Burge Aged Tawny someone bought when daughter was born (She’s 23 now).

  72. A person just off the rocket from Mars & looking at today’s news reporting could be forgiven for thinking that out of the blue the ALP decided to rip itself apart, for reasons nobody understands. The media being but humble literal reporters describing from the sidelines only what they see & hear with a clear conscience.

  73. I hope this will all subside soon before it totaly undermines all the good things he has done…. I took the day off work and cried my eyes out when Kev said SORRY, I felt that we had finaly and proudly moved into the 21st century… like we had come of age as a nation, as a people…. I’ll always remember Kev for that…. What I’m hoping is that people will see that she’s got a sorta mandate after todays events, how many times does she have to win ( Red Caviar)….. time for the fractions, um, factions to stop posturing, chest thumping and shirt fronting and ask themselves “Which party”, the commonwealth party, double um, The Australian Labor Party or are they just individuals on a career path,mm!!!!

  74. ….so theatrical in fact that she couldn’t see straight

    Do you think she’d been at the bottom drawer in the desk, Pip? Might explain why Liealot seemed to have a bit of trouble with his split infinitives. lol

  75. Patricia the under estimation that many have of our PM is unbelievable.

    All their predictions are based on the premise that the PM is stupid and will as they say continue to make mistakes.

    This PM has made fewer mistakes than previous PMs in their first year.

    The ignore the success she has had, firstly getting a minority government in place.

    The PM then has continue her legislation passed at a rate, that most majority governments would be proud of. Much of the legislation was major and groundbreaking.

    The PM has withstood continuous attack from within and outside th party.

    The PM had to rely on a complicate cross bench to do this.

    The PM has not faltered once.

    Those who see this only as a pause in the procedures and expect her to disappear in three to six months are ignoring the fact that the PM has grown in stature and confidence.

    What we have seen from the big majority that supported her is respect and trust.

    What was noticeable today and during the last week was the lack of dramatics.

    Also no gloating, but getting on with the job.

    Mr. Keating was wrong, the PM has all the stage craft she needs.

    Listening to Capitol Hill Pink bats and BER again,

    That was three years ago, another government and PM.

  76. After all the tumult of the last few months maybe Harry Jenkins could see what was coming, so took care of himself,then Peter Slipper got the chair

    “But in 1909 Deakin decided that Labor was the real threat, and took his protectionists across the floor to merge with Joseph Cook’s anti-socialist free traders. There were screams of betrayal, of war to the knife, to the stiletto; so vitriolic was Labor’s fury that the ensuing chaos caused the speaker, Sir Frederick Holder, to drop dead on the spot.”

  77. Mrs Bacchus came up with what I think is an apt analogy earlier – Labor’s fight over the last week or so has been like two boys fighting in the playground. They are bitter enemies and have a punch up at lunch time – afterwards, no matter who won, they’re best of mates.

    All has been forgiven, and they’ll now get on with living, supporting each other against all that is thrown at them. This I can definitely relate to from school days, and I hope is what’s happening with the parliamentary Labor party atm…

  78. Bacchus, that describes my old football playing days. Punch the living crap out of your opponent all during the match, and take a few hits and insults yourself, and finish the day sharing a drink and a yarn in the club rooms later.

  79. The funny thing about Bishop, J was the total shock at being sat down by the speaker.
    Poor Poodles got the DEATH STARE because he forgot to yap on command. The stare then went to Abbott but he was confused, eventually poodle realised Bishop was talking in his ear rather than the despatch box. He approached cautiously but to no avail, the Speaker had spoken.

  80. Yes Migs – that’s about it. Is that’s what’s happening in Canberra about now? Are they “sharing a drink and a yarn in the club rooms”?

  81. Not too sure on that one, Bacchus, but they probably are.

    The blogs have been that way too over the last few days. We’ve had some run-ins with each other but I’m sure we could all sit down and share a drink. Speaking of which, shall I throw open the cellar?

  82. I leave this comment by one of our most esteemed political commentators as example of the accuracy of political reporting in Australia

    “Rudd only nine votes short of top job: opposition” – Michelle Grattan (23/09/2011)

  83. You’re so right, Catching Up, that’s the problem with both Hawker and Rudd. Both think of politics in terms of image, public speeches, election campaigns, polls and press conferencers. K. Rudd is good at all of that, and Hawker excels at running promotions and ad campaigns. They were hardly able to conceive the complexity of the work you’ve described above. I don’t think either of them really understand still why their challenge didn’t come off. Fortunately for the country they were hardly an effective team and they were up against a real pro politician at the top of her game. In fact, she’s seen by many as a statesman.

    She may not have been quite there two years ago. Now she’s come through her baptism of fire. So perhaps we can thank rotten Ruddy for something, after all.

  84. Speaking of which, shall I throw open the cellar?

    Sure why not – do you know how to make a basic Sangria? 😆

  85. Miglo,

    You would know better than I do, but I thought that Warren Mundine is a bit controversial. Bob Carr on the other hand, as those of us on Facebook realize has been doing a lot of good work on a number of issues.

    Rudd better watch himself if he thinks he’s irreplaceable, Carr could do the job with bells on.

  86. Pip,

    Julia Gillard has said in response that Bob Carr has never been interested in moving to Canberra, and who could blame him. 😉

  87. Here is what the SMH has said on the issue,

    Mr Mundine said that Mr Carr would be a “magnificent” candidate for the NSW Senate spot and his background in history and foreign affairs made him a strong contender.

    “Look there’s no doubt about Bob Carr,” he told the ABC, adding that he had “enormous respect” for the former NSW premier.–but-hed-want-foreign-affairs-source-20120228-1tzvm.html#ixzz1ndY5uYw8

    So it seems that the only holdup is whether or not Carr is prepared to move to Canberra. The position is certainly nothing to be sneezed at..I would tell him, Go for it.

  88. I still don’t know what she does.

    Death stare, Migs. She’s got extra mirrors for practicing.

    Isn’t Carr a bit long in the tooth?

  89. Gillard’s challenge: two opposition leaders in a hurry
    Andrew Elder

    Australia now has two opposition leaders – Tony Abbott and Kevin Rudd.

    Both are more popular than the incumbent for the moment. If she runs her full term, Prime Minister Gillard could well see off both opponents before the election is formally called. Indeed, both of them need to see off Gillard sooner rather than later if their ambitions are to be realised at all.

  90. Rudd will find his niche, says brother

    FOREIGN minister Kevin Rudd will find his “niche” and continue to make a contribution to Australia, his brother Greg says.
    But the older Rudd has been more guarded on whether or not Prime Minister Julia Gillard can be confident in having her former minister’s full support in the future.
    “That’s all for politicians to believe or not to believe,” he told reporters in Adelaide on Tuesday.
    “I think I’m actually on record many, many times over many, many years – I don’t believe any politicians.
    “Politicians say what that have to say.”
    Greg Rudd, who works as a business and political lobbyist and spends much of his time in China, was also somewhat cryptic in whether or not his brother was right to challenge for the Labor leadership, a challenge he ultimately lost convincingly to Ms Gillard.

  91. If the PM is sitting out to reform the party, as it appears to be, Mr. Carr would be a first class choice. He has the interest, ability and knowledge to do this.

  92. “Australia now has two opposition leaders – Tony Abbott and Kevin Rudd”

    Never seen two who have so much in common.

    The ability to get the government into power.

    The lack of ability in not knowing what to do with the prize when they get it.

    One thing that separates them is that Mr. Rudd has had success in other areas. The only success Mr. Abbott has shown, is that of head kicking and creating dirt files.

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