Rudd Quits!

What can I say?

This is what Kevin Rudd had to say over the media inspired leadership frenzy:

. . . the Australian people regarded the speculation as little more than  a soap opera.
“They are right,” he said.
“Under the current circumstances, I won’t be a part of it.”

Again, we hear it from the horse’s mouth.  So what will those baboons from the media say now?  I’ll leave that up to you to speculate.

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405 comments on “Rudd Quits!

  1. According to this announcement comes after four days of mounting speculation that he was undermining the PM’s authority, or something close to that.

    WTF! Give me a break.

  2. The media have forced this, and it is a shame, as Rudd was a great Foreign Minister

    Let the sauces come clean

    Well what ever happens Shananana’s great scoop of PM Gillard sacking Rudd— TheFinnigans天地有道人无道 (@Thefinnigans) February 22, 2012

  3. Migs, is that the shortest post you’ve ever written.

    Just saying, the ABC host is having breathing dificulties with all the excitement!

  4. Pip, I’m on my iPad. Not an environment from which to compose a lengthy post. Besides, there wasn’t much to link to at the time. 😦

  5. Good riddance. He should go and get a job as a Travel Courier then he can have jaunts and junkets around the world without taxpayers have to pay. He could give conducted tours of Beijing.

  6. Migs, that not a bad thing… there’ll be thousands of rushed scribbles in the meantime, and I’d rather wait for your well thought out piece later 😀

  7. Migs and I wouldn’t have saddled Rudd with that. I agree completely. Every single time Kevin Rudd has been asked a question about the leadership, and this has been for months on end, he has always provided the exact same answer. Has he once publicly criticised the PM? I don’t believe that he ever has. Has once ever contradicted anything that Gillard said, in the way that Hockey/Robb have contradicted Abbott? Not to my knowledge.

  8. Jarl, that is a point. Who is yet to say that Rudd even intends to mount a challenge, his other option is quit parliament entirely at the next election. I very much doubt if he would want to cause a by-election.

  9. Jarl, would you prefer a Foreign Minister who stayed at home?

    I liken that to a detective trying to solve a crime while sitting at his desk.

  10. As always most of the predictions were wrong. This’ll probably enrage the MSM even more, that they didn’t see it coming. Contrariwise, they now have all day every day to speculate & prognosticate to their little heart’s content. Let’s just hope this isn’t the breach in the wall that Those Born To Rule & those who rule them have been trying for so long to open up.

  11. What is Rudd going to do.

    Challenge. I do not think so, that would take guts.

    Sit on the back bench. Cannot see him being there. The sniping will be at least in the open.

    Leave the parliament. Might not be that bad. Leaves the numbers a little tight.

    Leave the Labor Party, Maybe an option.

    This man ego is unbelievable.

    Who are the faceless men. Why was Premier Bligh man with Mr. Rudd last weekend.

    The only one celebrating tonight will be Mr. Abbott,

  12. The unkindest cut of all – they are calling Simon Crean a “faceless man”, OK so he is not that good looking, but faceless?

    Why are people so unkind (with apologies to Kamahl)

  13. Kevin Rudd said he has resigned after ongoing leadership speculation….
    just who was doing all the fevered speculation….

    Answer. The news media, and the funniest part of it is that once again, they didn’t see it coming !

  14. The PM needs to call a caucus meeting tomorrow or the next day to coincide when Mr. Rudd gets off that plane.

    It needs to be as quick as possible. Mr. Rudd is attempting to take control the situation.

    It is not up to the PM to give Mr. Rudd time to consult.

    As he arrives Friday morning, I suggest the meeting be Friday before lunch.

  15. Kevin Rudd “There is no way I would mount a stealth attack on a sitting Prime Minister elected by the people”

    I must have missed something there.

    I note he timed his dummy spit to link up with prime time news back in Australia.

    Sorry David Marr I thought your comments on Rudd were just you being bitchy.

    I was wrong you were right, but in my defence I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

  16. More from Rudd..while I disagree that Crean is a ‘faceless man’, on the other hand Crean spoke out of turn when he publicly labelled Rudd is “disloyal”. And point taken by Rudd, Gillard should have repudiated Crean’s statement.

    “In recent days Mr Crean and a number of other faceless men have publicly attacked my integrity and therefore my fitness to serve as a minister in the government,” he said.

    “When challenged today on these attacks Prime Minister Gillard chose not to repudiate them. I can only reluctantly conclude that she therefore shares these views.”

  17. Broke my new rule of not watching Channel 9 news. The Rudd preparing to challenge, whiteanting etc stories temporarily in the bottom drawer as the whole thing was played with a straight, almost “poor Kevin” bat. The prospect of his causing trouble on the backbench was canvassed with a certain amount of glee.

  18. There’s another twelve year old child, who’s done his PoliSc degree, on ABC24 prattling away at 100 kms an hour

  19. Abbott says Mr. Rudd’s resignation confirms Federal Government unworthy to continue.

    When is someone in the media, his own party, his family, his circle of friends or his own conscience going to tell him to grow up?

  20. Bob, absolutely the right whingers are going to be loving this one! Not quite as much as they enjoyed the knifing, but close…

  21. There could be a silver lining in these stormy clouds.

    They say there always is. Lets hope so.

    At least the boil is being finally lanced.

    Please who are the faceless men.

    I knew who they were in Whitlam’s day. Today I have no idea.

    As to fractions, what role do they play today. I thought they were staying out of this one.

    It is Mr. Rudd who has been stirring the pot, no one else.

    When Mr. Keating went to the back bench, there was not a minority government. I do not believe that Mr. Keating would have been prepared to sacrifice Labor in government.

    Mr. Rudd is.

  22. Laurie Oaks has been a major driver of this, Simon Crean the weak minded bitter mealy mouth, has been his parliamentary mouth piece. Did you see him playing with his ear while being interviewed the other day, all the while he was saying Kevin did this and that. Allen Pease, body language expert, suggest this is seen as telling the porkies.

  23. From the link to The Age..this statement gives the distinct impression that Rudd is resigning in order to challenge.

    “There is one over-riding question for my caucus colleagues and that is who is best placed to defeat Tony Abbott at the next election,” Mr Rudd.,

  24. Bloody arrogant rudd, during his performance he declared that the chief of his dept would reprosent him in Europe. well guess what rudd that isn’t your call

    “Craig Emerson will act as Australia’s Foreign Minister after the shock resignation of Mr Rudd.

    Dr Emerson, presently the Trade Minister, will take on Foreign Affairs responsibility immediately.”

    Read more:

  25. All Mr. Rudd had to do was to rebuked what the media was saying.

    Mr. Rudd only had to tell the media to f..k off and stop saying he was talking to them.

    Very simple, then the PM would be able to support him.

    Mr. Rudd choose not to do this. He gave the impression that he was above everything. I believe now that video came from him. The PM can, I do hope does trace who put it up.

    He is leaving to come home before finishing the work he went to do. Should he therefore pay his own fares.

  26. Daughter is tipping that Rudd will quit….

    I think there’s an element of pay-back….

    Up till the deposing of Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard insisted that she “supported the Prime Minister”. Then, “it was reported” that she was furious when she discovered that Rudd’s people were sounding out her loyalty and decided to challenge him for the leadership.

    Till yesterday, Kevin Rudd was saying:-

    Can I just say, as I’ve said many times before, that we have a Prime Minister. I support the Prime Minister and I intend to remain as Foreign Minister.

    Today he’s resigned, partly at least, because the PM didn’t repudiate criticisms of him.

  27. Tom, and when Rudd has tried to fob off journalists by saying, I’ve already given you my opinion – of course it was twisted around with the statement: Rudd refuses to answer…

  28. Min @ 6.47pm, from the link to The Age, it does look like a challenging comment to me.

    “There is one over-riding question for my caucus colleagues and that is who is best placed to defeat Tony Abbott at the next election,” Mr Rudd.,

  29. Interesting development, but my gut feeling is that Gillard is going to be ‘tapped on the shoulder’. Gut feeling, is all it is.

  30. Min @6.57

    if rudd became say ill and couldn’t do his duties, then yes. but if he phoned the PM and said he was going to resign he could recommend someone, it is the PMs call who represents the australian govt.

    so far we do not even know if he called the PM, we just know he timed it to hit prime time tv in eastern states. and where was beazely, who also received some extra jobs to do. did you note that rudd praised his chief of dept of fa, who was the former ambassador to the usa.

  31. I think Rudd requested his resignation take effect 48 hours after his return, to allow for transition. He is effectively still the Foreign Minister unless Gillard sacks him in the meantime.

  32. Some others in Canberra are confiding that Rudd has been doing what he can to undermine the PM. I’m not really buying that. I think they might have got that from the papers, like Bishop did.

  33. In the Bizzarro world, Rudd resigns from the Labor Party and goes to the cross benches. There he is offered the Liberal Party Leadership and goes on to lose the next election.

  34. My gut reaction to all of this is – good riddance if the PM wants him gone!

    I think Julia Gillard can manage this – she is the country’s top industrial negotiator and she could have told him about how to apply for a promotion or a new job! Three golden rules – Never complain. Never explain. Never resign!

  35. I reckon Rudd has taken this action because he has been advised that the numbers are close. He won’t be a party to a knifing (the bloke has had more stitches in his back than a Levi’s jacket) but if Gillard is tapped he will step up.

  36. I agree Migs. Here is how David Penberthy is calling it..who was it who was writing the script and apparently Rudd’s denials have been “coquettish”..the rhetoric belongs to you, Penberthy.

    Some of his comments at his press conference just now will invite derision. His claim that the public is sick and tired of this “soap opera” is laughable, given that he has written much of its script with his destabilising tactics, and consistent, coquettish denials of any complicity on the day the leaks emerge.

  37. Patriciawa agree. Those were my guiding rules throughout my long and not so illustrious Public Service career.
    Also agree something good will come out of this for the Labor Party and it will not be Kevin as leader

  38. Miglo, I think they might have got that from the papers, like Bishop did.

    Also, the papers got stuff from the Coalition, as well as asking each other questions and writing reams about their own answers…if you follow me.

  39. Excellent point lunalava, if you take both Rudd and Gillard out of the equation, there goes Tony Abbott’s entire election strategy.

  40. Bruce Hawker on 7.30 report admitted that he has been working with Rudd to bring on the leadership challenge.
    Bruce, you now join Graham Richardson in the Labor Rat Ranks.

  41. I don’t think I could forgive Rudd for his “faceless men” remark. It would be calculated to cause harm by fitting into the relentless repetition that Abbott & his supporters indulge in. Someone of Rudd’s eloquence could easily have come up with another line if he needed to criticise.
    If the unlikely happens & Rudd returns to the reins I’ll vote ALP, always have & I sincerely loathe Abbott. But no good could come of his return.
    Couldn’t bring myself to watch 7.30. I notice there are those deriding the idea of this being a creation of the media. I’m not one of them.

  42. Bob and luna , I only remembered a couple of days ago that Bruce Hawker was Kevin Rudd’s campaign manager.

    Make that “is” Rudd’s campaign manager!

  43. Bob, I believe that the endless speculation has severely undermined Gillard’s leadership – that there was not a scrap the government could do about it – damned no matter which way anyone answered.

  44. I have no idea what will happen next but I’m looking forward to watching Kevin Rudd carry out his plans. Whatever he does, I expect it to be well-considered, highly intelligent and respectful to the Labor Party and the Australian people… but not to Julia Gillard and her right-wing supporters. These are the same people that forced him to micro-manage because they clearly could not be trusted to carry out traditional Labor policy.

    Yes, I’m one of the many who believe the greatest mistake Labor could have made was to allow Labor-right to hijack the Prime Minister’s office in 2010. They damn near lost the last election because of it and will lose the next if something isn’t done.

  45. “Bruce Hawker was Kevin Rudd’s campaign manager”

    He is I believe the Queensland Premier’s campaign manager.

    Wonder what part the Premier is going play.

    I suggest that she put as much distance as she can between her and Rudd.

    I wonder when the PM will call on th GG for the new FM. Early tomorrow morning, I would hope.

    Nothing has changed as far as Mr. Rudd is concerned. He has taken no responsibility whatever for his demise.

    I do not believe he is fit to serve.

    When the PM deposed Mr. Rudd, I had a lot of sympathy for him. This in spite of the high regard I held Me. Gillard. I was sad that she was being sacrificed long before she was ready or prepared to be PM.

    Mr. Rudd is in the same league as Mr. Abbott, he is willing to destroy the country to get what he wants.

  46. Min and rabbitt,
    why would the Party re-instate Rudd when he upset the Mining Council with the MRRT. The Coalition’s anti government campaign has continued regardless and relentlessly with help from the media and other business leaders and think tanks since Gillard took over.
    The campaign won’t stop just because Rudd is once again the leader.

  47. Valli

    if you watched the bruce Hawker interview you will see that Rudd and Hawker have been planning this campaign for a few months. the whole use of “facelaee men” etc.
    I agree with you CU.

  48. Valli, I agree. Rudd could have gone to the back bench when he was knifed, but instead immediately offered to serve in which ever capacity Gillard saw fit. No one could doubt that he has served Australia, as probably our best Foreign Minister for many decades.

  49. I can’t see Abbott keeping his mouth shut over the next couple of days. Brace yourself for more of “Tony Abbott says . . .”

  50. Pip, at the moment we don’t even know whether Rudd is going to go for the top job again. It sounds as if he might, but who we were saying earlier, he supposedly hasn’t got the numbers.

  51. Sue at 8.01
    On your advice I was able to watch the latter part of 7.30. I thought Tony Burke did pretty well, Bruce Hawker a lot less so. I buy the idea, listening to Burke , that Rudd always harbored a desire for a comeback, who wouldn’t in his position, without any real power base but with a lot of massaging from the media. Who as usual are writing themselves right out of the story they’ve been instrumental in creating.

  52. Since this statement appeared on the Prime minister’s website there has been another announcement that she will be making a statement later this evening.

    Resignation of Kevin Rudd
    Julia Gillard posted Wednesday, 22 February 2012

    Today Kevin Rudd has tendered his resignation as Minister for Foreign Affairs.

    Mr Rudd was a strong and effective advocate for Australia’s interests overseas.

    During his period of service as Foreign Minister there were many achievements. He strongly pursued Australia’s interests in the world.

    I am disappointed that the concerns Mr Rudd has publicly expressed this evening were never personally raised with me, nor did he contact me to discuss his resignation prior to his decision.

    I plan to hold a press conference tomorrow to make a further statement.

    Tags: Foreign Affairs

  53. Don’t anyone forget here, regardless of whether you think replacing Rudd was a good idea or not, that he was being taken down by the media, who had comprehensively & viciously turned on him. Nobody, man or woman, faceless or not, woke up one morning & decided to get rid of Rudd in order to pass the time until the pubs opened. For good or ill, it was done as a response to Rudd’s rapidly declining stocks.

  54. Roswell @ 8.37pm,

    I can’t see Abbott keeping his mouth shut over the next couple of days. Brace yourself for more of “Tony Abbott says . . .”

    You’ve made my day!

  55. so we have the word

    rudd did not have the curtesy to inform the PM before he addressed the world.

    as i said rudd’s arrogance had him appointing a temporary FM. i wonder if beazely was woken and informed of his new duties.

  56. Tony Windsor has said his support for the Labor government is contingent on Gillard as PM – all bets are off if Rudd gets up (as if).
    Asked if he regretted going with Labor and if the Tony Abbott’s Liberals would have been more stable he replied
    “Abbott is basically unstable”
    We are fortunate to have at least one sensible MP.
    Rudd and Abbott are both toxic leaders.

  57. luna, Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott have said all along that the Minority government has been very successful but unsurprisingly the media don’t want the public to catch on to that.

  58. Lunalava, therefore more reason for Rudd not to be going for the top job, the last thing that he would want is to head straight to an election. That UN job must look even more appealing for Rudd now. I say fair enough, Gillard did not support Rudd against Crean’s statement..she should have done so..therefore if Rudd believes he does not have the PM’s support, he has done the right thing in quitting.

  59. I don’t know about Rudd being toxic, I’ll always have a soft spot for him for the fact that he rid us of John Howard. 😉

  60. The best line I heard tonight was, asked of tony bourke

    Could rudd do a Keating and go to the back bench to mount a challenge?

    Tony bourke reply

    But the party didn’t know what a Keating PM was like

  61. Valli
    it appears being FM wasn’t good enough.

    i used to think that rudd returned to the ministry as fm because he wanted a job at the UN. so i was wrong

  62. Min, whether he goes for the top job now or in the future, does not matter.

    He intends to be a thorn in the side of the PM.

    It is Mr. Rudd who had fed the media or the chooks as a certain Premier used to say.

    The PM needs to visit the GG early tomorrow morning with Mr. Emerson or who ever is taking over.

    The PM needs to settle this as soon as Mr. Rudd hits the country. Allowing him to go home for the weekend is not an option. It has to be settled Friday.

    The PM needs to be in control of the agenda. It is important that Mr. Rudd is not seen to be in charge.

    Mr. Rudd has not taken one skerrick of responsibility for anything that has occurred over the last three years.

    He is as arrogant as ever. He is as bad as Mr. Abbott, in that he is willing to destroy the Labor government to get back at the PM. Faceless men my eye. He could not get anyone in caucus to support him back in 2010. They are not faceless and I Find it hard to believe they role over like dogs and do as they are told.

    Mr. Rudd needs to remember many of those polling numbers come from Liberal voters.

    We are going to see that pain of the last year and half getting policies into place that are due to come to fruition, go down the gurgler.

    Tell me that makes sense.

    Mr. Rudd cannot fix the one problem that has been beyond the PM, that of the boat trade.

    The PM only needs six months at the most, to cement what she has done into place.

    It is madness what is happening today. How it can be laid at the feet of the PM, is beyond me.

    What we do need to hear, is what we should have heard two years ago, is why Mr. Rudd had to go.

    This was one big mistake on the part of the PM.

    PMs do not get replaced because people do not like them. They get replaced when they are not functioning.

    It had to be more than bad polling.

    I believe that Mr. Rudd had some type of breakdown as Keating said happened to Mr. Hawke and was unable to make decisions. In other words. burnout.

    It could have even been physical, as he did need that heart valve replaced.

  63. “that Rudd always harbored a desire for a comeback, who wouldn’t in his position, without any real power base but with a lot of massaging from the media.”

    Mr. Rudd has never had a power base within the party. He ahs always relied on the media.

  64. Roswell

    yes, as i think this will do a world of good for gillard. the clear air she has needed, as anyone and everyone can tell it like it was under a rudd pm.

    everyone else has been working very hard to progress labor policies, now they can get on with it. also the back benchers can open their eyes and see the drama that rudd engineered today.

    swann statement was very strong

  65. “That UN job must look even more appealing for Rudd now. I say fair enough, Gillard did not support Rudd ag”

    I think he might be putting that job at risk. Someone should tell him that vengence is a two edge blade.

  66. Yes, this might be the war that the PM needs.

    It is easier to fight when ones enemy is out in the open.

    Shooting at shadows is difficult.

    Mr. Crean’s outburst lured Mr. Rudd from the bushes where all can get a clearer shot.

    I believe that Mr. Rudd is not happy with the position he has found himself.

    His body language in the couple of shots we have seen, appears a little edgy.

    Not answering questions is also unusual for the man.

  67. Min, how could the PM come out and say she supported him.

    We have had a week of extensive media speculation, they say was based on what Mr. Rudd was saying to them.

    Mr., Rudd needed to take the media on or at least phone the PM, stating his case.

  68. and as we now see. the hawker -rudd campaign was rudd the new man

    he no longer is kevin 24/7 he sleeps and there was rudd under a blanket on a plane sleeping as he winged his way to mexico.

    like how many people get photos taken and beamed back to the media and not give permission?

    he delegates, ask his office

    he is no longer – demanding well he blew that one as the 5 sleepy media people in washington confirmed. hotel in darkness had to tell security they were expected and were not terrorists, then the well rehearsed speech but refused questions

    no longer demeaning- blew that too, no prior warning to PM

    and so it goes

  69. It doesn’t really matter who the Labor Prime Minister will be, because Rupert, the old foreigner, does not want the NBN.

    His relentless campaign will continue.

  70. Blimey! I wonder if he will challenge? Hopefully he will retire gracefully to the backbench and let the government get on with it.

    I agree that now he’s come out in the open, it could be to Gillard’s advantage. However, why he couldn’t pull his head in until the government put all its legislation safely to bed is beyond me.

    Frankly, I think he may have shot himself in the foot by making this move. It may force the scales from some people’s eyes and get them solidly behind the PM. This has been a very good government so far, I hope it won’t be sacrificed on the altar of Kevin Rudd’s ambition and seeming hubris.

    God forbid that this will lead to a Liars Party government.

  71. I agree, there are no faceless men. That belongs back in the 1960’s/

    For that matter, “faceless men” like Senator Don Farrell have web pages and are fairly well known to a lot of people in Adelaide. Also, Farrell has been elected to Parliament; you can go in and watch him at work most sitting days in Canberra.

    The term “faceless men” was also applied to AWU head Paul Howes – one of Australia’s best-known union officials – in the wake of Rudd’s original ousting. Bizarrely, the term “faceless” seems to have been applied as a result of Howes’ appearance on Lateline. And yes, Lateline showed his face. They do that all the time. It’s a television program.

    Robert Menzies invented the term “faceless men” in 1963 as a reference to the 36-member ALP executive of the day, most of them genuinely unknown outside ALP and union circles. The story is well told by Ross Fitzgerald and Stephen Bolt in The Australian. Menzies went on to describe the ALP executive as men “whose qualifications are unknown, who have no elected responsibility to you”.

    In 1963, “faceless men” was hard politics, but legitimate politics. It was also a great phrase. But its day is long gone. Today it’s not mere cliché – it’s idiocy.

    The fractions also today do not mean much or carry any weight.

    At least talk about today’s politics, not that of yesterday.

  72. Jane, I believe his ego got the best of him.

    Also believe, that Mr. Rudd like Mr. Abbott seen the PM as a pushover.

    Maybe the PM will go, but it will not be without a fight.

    I have a gut feeling that the lady is capable of handing over to others, if she believed it was in the nations interest.

    I believe the lady is more interested in outcomes and if others can do it better, so be it.

  73. ‘The feminist revolution was institutionalised by the ALP through the party’s affirmative action quota and faceless women are still working to deliver for women to ensure that target 50/50 is reached within the next decade.’

  74. Min the proverbial drovers dog could have beaten Howard.
    Rudd has been undermining the implementation of Labor policy and the only reason I can think of for him doing this is his ego.
    He got very little done during his term as leader Gillard on the other hand has achieved an impressive level of policy implementation and has done so with good grace (at least in public).
    I supported Rudd as PM and had some sympathy for him when he lost the job, since that time he has been working for himself and cost the government much.
    My level of disgust with him is such, that I would rather see Abbott get the job – at least then we would know what bad government feels like.

  75. Yes el gordo, it is a numbers game but it’s not the number of men versus the number of women. The stakes are too high.

  76. To lose one PM looks careless, to lose two (especially if the original one comes back) looks bloody stupid.

    Does the ALP have a deathwish? For the next decade all the Liberals have to do when the going gets tough is to remind Australia on the leadership challenges etc that happened last time the ALP was in power (regardless of the actual number of Opposition Leaders vs Prime Ministers since 2007). Who coined the phrase “if you can’t govern yourselves, how can you govern the country?”

  77. Whatever happens, we will live in “interesting times” over the next couple of weeks.

    Do you mean that the media will actually have some real-life events to write about? 😯

  78. luna I just listened to Craig Emerson and Tony Jones on Lateline and the MRRT and the NBN were mentioned……. and that was when Rudd’s polling fell away.

    Those two things plus the carbon ‘tax’ have just about sealed the fate of this government in my humble opinion. The vested interests don’t wont these reforms and that is a huge problem.

    Add to that the Rupert factor and his desire to see the NBN abolished and it’s
    an uphill battle.

    The government will not be allowed that ‘clear air’ that’s been discussed to death on various talking heads programs.

    The miners and the big polluting companies, the clubs and pubs pokies campaigners, plus Rupert and his minions have formed a formidable opposition.

  79. On behalf of all the feminists who can’t stand Julia Gillard.. This is not a school yard game of girls against the boys.

    Intelligent people give their support to those they see as being more in line with their beliefs, no matter what their gender. If you believe feminists are mindless man-haters, you got it wrong.

  80. Having a wander around the social media sites there are one hell of a lot of people who want Rudd back as PM. They feel their hopes were raised after today’s events.

  81. On behalf of all the feminists who can’t stand Julia Gillard.. This is not a school yard game of girls against the boys.

    Intelligent people give their support to those they see as being more in line with their beliefs, no matter what their gender. If you believe feminists are mindless man-haters, you got it wrong.

    Valli, that’s the message we’re trying to get through to el gordo. Who, incidentally, boldly declared the other day – in response to someone wanting to know her gender – that gender doesn’t matter.

  82. Do you mean that the media will actually have some real-life events to write about?

    Nah – they’ll still MSU (™ Tom R)

  83. Do you want my prediction if there was a leadership spill? The winner would be Julia Gillard. It should be remembered that one of the reasons Kevin Rudd was removed was because his ministers couldn’t stand the micro managing. He was a difficult boss from what I’ve heard.

  84. Pip

    Emerson on lateline, was told by newspaper editors last year that there would be a challenge in March. thats editors and journalists around the country. emerson said the undermining had been going on for that long.

    Also according to jones, rudd will give another speech during the night

    tony bourke said earlier tonight that rudd had a number of media events organised. for journalists, that must be one of them.

  85. My thoughts too Migs, the last ballot didn’t happen because Rudd didn’t have the numbers, and my prediction is a repeat performance.

  86. No wonder the opposition knew what was happening within the Labor party, if reports of Rudd informing journalists and editors of his big plan.

  87. Sue, I came to Lateline just as Tony Jones declared that they would be talking about the challenge, after Emerson siad “I thought we were taking about policy”.

    If this was told to the media in March last year, it begs the question … who did release the youtube video??

  88. Well he did have lunch with Murdoch yesterday. Now Murdoch has come out and backed him. Maybe his editors in Australia tell him what to say.

  89. As I pointed out a few comments ago, Rupert still calls the shots, but having said that, his intentions are probably not honourable!

    MP Michael Danby said on 7.30 that if Rudd really did meet with four different journalists on three different occasions……”please, say it isn’t true”.

    There is another alternative after Monday’s presumed ballot.
    Rudd could leave the party and stand as an Independent

  90. pip

    re video what about hawker?

    he did disclose he was managing rudd’s campaign and he was fond of that faceless men tag

  91. I reckon that’s about it, Pip.

    Rupert must think his lycra wearing, hairy chested pin-up boy has more chance against Rudd than he does Gillard.

  92. pip
    release the video, go on sky during evening for morning shows and do the pitch
    “i am not pointing the finger, i forgive who has done it, then toodle pop i must zip off to mexico

    in other words a bit too cute as you toss a hand grenade in.

    and gillard remained calm, what a woman

  93. pip

    rupert doesn’t want to kill nbn he wants to OWN it. rupert has big investment/ownership in education systems for internet. has had a big pitch over europe.

    imagine education according to rupe

  94. Remember this…

    Rupert Murdoch taunts Kevin Rudd on Twitter
    by: Media Diary: Nick Leys
    From: The Australian February 10, 2012

    RUPERT Murdoch has taken to taunting the former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd over his ongoing involvement in leadership speculation.
    His latest barb on social media site Twitter, posted late last night, read: “KRudd been promising imminent knifing for months. Believe it when we see it.”

  95. Sue the links to Rupert’s education software sales pitch is on the Media Watch pages somewhere…

    Imagine…. what nightmare are we living in with the old geezer calling all the shots??

  96. pip

    the chap that gillard admired for education for new york, i think, is now on rupes board. that fitted with rupes IT education
    then when gillard went to usa and rupe invited her to lunch, i have always thought he was trying to lure her into his education trap

    and as she ………… well it’s been all out attack ever since

  97. pip

    thanks, yes i have read it as well, scary stuff
    luckily the uk has kept the old geezer in court, also his IT education bloke has to help clean up the mess ( IT education bloke knows nothink, esp about journalism)

  98. Sue. I’ll have a hunt for it in the next day or so and put it up here so others can have a look at it.

    It fits doesn’t, ….”lunch with Rupert”….. winners and losers!

  99. Like it or not, somewhere Julia lost the ‘persona’ which previously had endeared her to the public. I think of the interview where she slipped on a wet path and fell on her backside..came up all smiles and giggles. The severe Julia is not the one I was expecting, where did her sense of humor go? Only brief appearances. Perhaps she was advised that a female PM wouldn’t be taken seriously if she used her femininity in any way. The result was that the media were able to pick her to pieces, from her dress sense to her Aussie accent.

    Julia of course copped the exact same treatment as Rudd did. However, some of it didn’t quite work with Rudd – the accusation of him being a wordy nerd only served to increase his seems that Aussies and especially females are quite fond of wordy nerds. IF Rudd wants a shot at the prime ministership again, and IF he wins I think that he would be a perfect foil for Tony Abbott. Abbott would look a complete duh brain compared with the intellectual, Kevin Rudd.

    The most important thing of all to me is that Tony Abbott never become Prime Minister, the stone age would look progressive by comparision. Expect an era where his particular interests are pandered to..think John Howard only with even stronger ‘moral values’ aka ultra conservative catholicism.

  100. Rudd no achievements? The Apology to the Stolen Generations, the NBN, withdrawal of troops from Iraq, the end of WorkChoices, the education revolution, the management of the GFC.

  101. Min
    the more i hear of rudd the more i know i would never vote for rudd.

    the latest this morning. his numbers man, doing deals with the pokie industry to keep up the pressure on gillard and rudd would dump any legislation.

    now i wonder what wilkie will think of that.

    rudd’s achievements, true the apology and the bali signing gave him admiration which he has dined out on
    walking away from carbon tax he quickly blamed others BUT remember HE decided to deal with the libs and would not even talk with brown, remember brown saying rudd had never spoken with him

    and last year as foreign minister decided to give out a tender for the australia network WHY well murdoch wanted it. and when there were problems remember the leaks to papers that SKY had won fair and share?

  102. Workchoices defeat thank the union campaign.No matter where you travelled in australia there were the signs and campaigning by unionists.

    but julia is the one who has organised the FWA, education revolution has always been julia’s thing, she chose it above treasury when she became deputy leader.
    GFC was good, but the management of it has been hampered

  103. Min, if Labor waits until Monday, Mr. Abbott will be PM by lunch time.

    The spill needs to occur before Parliament sits.

    Mr. Abbott will be in parliament Monday morning calling and having a chance of getting through a censure motion.

    There is little validity in the argument that Mr. Rudd should now be given time to muster the numbers.

    The caucus needs to be very sure that the choice they are now making, is PM Gillard or Abbott, not Rudd.

    Mr. Rudd’s ego is massive if he truly believe he can and only he can win the next election.

    Labor needs to have this settled at the first instant. That is within hours of Mr. Rudd landing back in the country.

    Mr. Rudd has had plenty of time to do his worse.

    I believe if Mr. Rudd resign from parliament at this time, would not be the worse scenario for Labor.

    The best scenario would be to come in behind the PM and tell her show us your best.

    No one in Labor can benefit by Mr. Rudd’s quest for vengeance and telling th caucus you made a mistake.

    Mr. Rudd has shown no humility the opposite is true. He has taken no responsibility for his failure with keeping faith with the previous government’s caucus.

    Mr. Rudd has been undermining the PM since she took power. Yes, to feel anger is one thing, but to destroy the Labor government is another.

    It was not faceless men or Ms Gillard that deposed him. It was nearly all of the caucus.

    Yes, the action was quick and clean, but either way, the lost of faith in PM Rudd was so great, it would have occurred anyway.

    People are calling for an election. I believe unless this boil is lanced very cleanly within the next 24 or so hours, they will get their wish.

    We will have the choice between two leaders that are willing t bring the country to a standstill to get what they want.

    There will be back lash against Mr. Rudd within the Queensland state election.

    I will find myself unable to vote for Mr. Rudd, this in spite of strongly defending him when he was PM.

    I do hope I have a good Green candidate.

    I have not voted against Labor since I was in my twenties.

  104. I would like to say, yes Mr. Rudd was deposed quickly but still according to the rules of the Labor Party.

    The only winner in all this is Mr. Abbott.

  105. Min! How could you! Letting Kevin Rudd bully and manipulate his way into the leadership again would be disastrous for the ALP and for the country. One term was enough to show how dysfunctional he is as a human being. Tony Abbott is similarly dysfunctional, only more obviously so. We need a good leader with a healthy, strong personality who can take the country forward, into the bright future it surely could have and out of its current crisis of denial. We need a Prime Minister with a capacity for greatness, and neither of those two men have that.

    You, of all people, would understand the role that Julia Gillard played in our dysfunctional government when Rudd was PM, holding the public image of Cabinet and Caucus together, resolving conflicts behind the scenes, facilitating legislative processess while Kevin was off trying to solve the problems of the world and leaving massive unresolved ones at home. Many of those problems, by the way, exacerbated or even caused by his inadequacies.

    It’s not surprising that somewhere Julia lost the ‘persona’ which previously had endeared her to the public And it may well be gone for good, though I doubt that. But listen to the overwhelming number of her parliamentary colleagues talk about the qualities which her endear her to them now and which are not yet fully appreciated by the public. If, non-Labor MPs like Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott are to be believed, Australia would be crazy to miss out on the management and negotiating skills of the Julia Gillard who has emerged from the crucible of her term as Deputy to Crackpot Kevin Rudd.

  106. Oh, the ego is unbelievable. His statement that anyone is a mug that believes the list at this stage. Mr. Rudd is not the messiah that will save the government, Labor and the country. He is the man that will bring it to ruin.

    It is Mr. Rudd’s closest friends that seem to have turned on him the hardest.

    He really believes he can turn everyone around. It is amazing for Mr. Rudd to say he has not made a decision yet. If that is so, why has he caused the turmoil he has.

    Me. Bishop, I have news for you, the people do not elect a PM.

    You would have the change the Constitution. It does no happen under the Westminster system.

    Ms. Bishop, the caucus chooses the PM in both parties. The constitution allows each electorate to elect one member, who are give the mandate to pick a PM and form government. It is the numbers on the floor of the lower house that allows this to occur.

    The people, not caucus, must decide

  107. That people power that Mr. Rudd is talking about is the polls. Should we be govern by the polls?

    I think not.

  108. Agree 110% with patriciawa 8.55 (at least I think they are your words the quotation marks?)

    Rudd has done a deal with the devil (Murdoch) he should resign from Parliament, if that means an election so be it. Devious and cunning politicians like Rudd will always succeed (for a while) but ultimately cause more damage than the good they do.
    Min do really believe anyone endorsed by Murdoch would make a good leader for this country.

  109. Scary or what? I just found myself agreeing with Chris Ulhmann

    There is no amount of damage Rudd would not inflict on the Labor party to gain the leadership

  110. The most telling and damning part of Latham’s description of Rudd comes with his response to a story in The Australian which said that Rudd was saying that if he didn’t get the job of Shadow Treasurer, he would go to the backbench (p. 364). When Rudd saw Latham in order to lobby for the job, Latham says Rudd “went into a long explanation of why he’s so wonderful. When he finished, I put my cards on the table: that I regard him as disloyal and unreliable, and he only holds his frontbench position because of his media profile and public standing among people who have never actually met him.”

  111. It’s a soap opera Kevin Rudd has helped create.

    And, as a result of his actions yesterday, Australia can now look forward to the ratings-smashing sequel when he flies back from the US for the resumption of Parliament next week.

    Rudd hopes his resignation will achieve two things – enhance his status as a martyr with the voters, and free him up to devote himself fully to the task of wresting back the prime ministership.

    It might work with the voters.

    They already prefer him to Julia Gillard by a significant margin anyway.

    Whether it works inside caucus is another question

    Read more:

  112. Those damaging Cabinet leaks now look to have been down to Rudd or his supporters Kim Carr or Robert McClelland.
    Gillard said at the time anyone who leaked Cabinet discussions would not be in the Ministry, maybe that’s why McCelland was booted out.

  113. Thanks, lunalava. I’ve corrected that. I’v e been saying similar things over at the Political Sword. In fact I’ll repeat it here as a comment now – and I won’t quote myself. Just repeat myself!

    How can anyone imagine that letting Kevin Rudd bully and manipulate his way back into leadership of his party or Australia would be anything but disastrous for the ALP and for the country? One term was enough to show his colleagues how dysfunctional he is as a human being. Now he is revealing himself to be that to the public at large. Tony Abbott is similarly dysfunctional, and more obviously so, if only the media would focus on his failings.

    Neither of these men should be our Prime Minister. We need a good leader with a healthy, strong personality who can take our country forward into the bright future it surely could have and out of its current crisis of confusion and denial. We need a Prime Minister with a capacity for greatness. Neither of those two giant egos have that.

    Julia Gillard played a heroic role as Deputy when Rudd was PM, holding the public image of Cabinet and Caucus together, resolving conflicts behind the scenes, facilitating legislative processess while Kevin ’07 was off trying to solve the problems of the world and leaving massive unresolved ones at home. Many of those problems were exacerbated or even caused by his inadequacies.

    It’s not surprising that somewhere Julia lost that bubbly and loveable ‘persona’ which was so endearing. I doubt that it’s gone for good. But listen to the overwhelming number of her parliamentary colleagues talk about the qualities for which they admire and love her now and which are not yet fully appreciated by the public. They should be appreciated and they will be if non-Labor MPs like Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott have their way. Australia would be crazy to miss out on the talent and negotiating skills of the Julia Gillard who has emerged from the crucible of her term as Deputy to Crackpot Kevin Rudd.

    If anyone can get some sort of national consensus amongst the states and political parties on how we manage climate change she can. She will also know how to develop functional relationships with our neighbours about the movement of massive numbers of displaced people which will be caused by climate change, war and economic challenges.

  114. The PM has now very clearly explained what she meant when she said the government had lost it’s way.

    Simply. Mr. Rudd reach a stage when he was not functioning. In other words. as PM he was found wanting.A wonderful campaigner but shocking PM.

    The PM said she choose to to say well of Mr. Rudd. Things now have changed. The PM said she likes to see the best of people. I think evidence shows this to be true.

    I still believe th ballot should be at the first opportunity.

  115. The media are the hostile but captive audience. There’s a first time for eveything.

    ABc Adelaide Local’s first comment was that the PM was 30 minutes late!

  116. The media was told by the PM that she would not be treated rudely by them. More that once, she said I will answer when you stop speaking.

    Very strong PM.

    Mr. Rudd has allowed the PM to clear the air for the first time since she took on the role as PM.

    Very candid. interview. The PM even talked about the mistakes she has made, unlike Mr. Rudd who does seem to believe he did..

  117. ABC news coverage of Gillard’s press conference was interesting, the truth emerges.
    She has given an undertaking to go to the back bench if she loses and will not be part of further leadership contests, this in the interests of party unity,. Is Kevin Rudd prepared to do this? no because for him it’s about Kevin not the country.

  118. Hawker says Labor have a much more popular than Julia Gillard.

    Kevin Rudd’s second press conference; he said he meant to consult more with colleagues. Doesn’t believe Julia can win the next election.
    Personal attacks, whatever the personal attacks, highly vicious personal attacks are not right.

    What about white-anting Kevin?

    He also said something about ‘people power’ but that wasn’t shown this time.

  119. The Prime Minister pointed out that Labor was ahead during the last election campaign – up to the point where there were those damaging cabinet leaks emerged. Rudd was prepared to sabotage the election campaign.

    He would be my choice for opposition leader not Prime Minister.

  120. Catching Up & patriciawa
    I’m on your side. It’s doubtful that Rudd has undergone a real conversion. His spectacular performance yesterday has “look at ME!!!!” all over it, more than just an attention grabbing ploy. And I will NOT forgive the “faceless men” remark which is already featuring in abbott’s rantings. Lunching with Rupert? I’ve only seen what I think are references to that but if he did what sort of a bloody sucker would he be to believe anything there?

    Reiterating a thought from Bushfire Bill on Crikey some days ago, the media wants their Rudd back so they can finish doing him over properly.

  121. Therese Rein’s chatty Twitter campaign has come to a head with her asking people to contact their local MPs in support of Kevin Rudd

  122. Rein says “two kinds of Australia”.
    “What happens inside Parliament ?”
    “What happens on the streets.”
    “Tell local MPs what they want”.

    Also reporter from The Australian asked PM wasn’t she campaigning in 2010 to roll Rudd, and she gave him a serve and cut him off very quickly.

    Good on her!

  123. Bob @ 10.52am, good point.
    If Kevin Rudd imagines that the media will back him, he’s either dreaming or he has done a deal with Rupert Murdoch after lunching with him recently!

    I wrote to the Labor Party at the time of the deposing with a negative view but at this stage Rudd must stop what he’s doing and back the government.

    Also “sauces” are saying that those in the current government will not sit in a Rudd Cabinet.

  124. Latika Bourke tweeted

    Latika Bourke @latikambourke
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    Cabinet Sources tell me Kevin Rudd did not raise a single one of the issues in Cabinet which he named in his presser just then. #respill

  125. “Also “sauces” are saying that those in the current government will not sit in a Rudd Cabinet.”

    If Rudd is elected leader there will be a vote of no confidence in the government early next week and an election campaign within a month.

    Rudd the Wrecker

  126. In my opinion, by feeding the media trolls and forcing the spill Rudd has specifically highlighted why he should not be allowed back into the top job. If he has been the one doing the undermining of the Government with his leaks, then this entire process is all about him…not what’s best for the country or the government, just about him.

    This makes him the Tony Abbott of the ALP…only concerned about getting into power and not about the consequences after it happens. The fact that Tony Windsor has come out and explicitly stated that he will not support the Government if Rudd gets back in should put paid to any ascension by Rudd…unless of course they are all incurably stupid and media/poll driven

  127. Therese Rein said that ordinary people are telling her they trust Kevin.

    I do hope Tim doesn’t buy into this soap opera.

  128. I believe the PM we are seeing today, is the one that business and other leaders see.

    The next election will not be a rerun of the last.

    The PM at last showing her mettle and ability.

    I wish they would stop saying that many in caucus hate Mr. Rudd. It is not about hate,it is about lack of ability.

    The onthing for sure, the public is listening. Maybe they will lkie what they hear.

  129. I took therese and kevin’s plea and contacted my local mp and told him i support gillard
    i also said i wouldn’t vote for a rudd govt.
    my local is a gillard supporter

  130. What a surprise… Abbott is calling for an election!
    He said Rudd is the only one who had a mandate…. there’s that furphy again.

  131. The PM. Mr. Rudd government relied on the next news cycle and photo op.

    Maybe I over reacted. I believe good government relied on outcomes. I learnt that it is also getting out and selling the results.

    The question we need to ask. Do we want to be govern by popularity and polls?

  132. Latika Bourke on Twitter

    Latika Bourke @latikambourke
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    Kevin Rudd tried to call the Greens and Independent MP Tony Windsor last night after his resignation: #respill

  133. In other words, the profession’s so-called ethics are “forcing” journalists to lie to us about what is going on. Their very methodology is causing them to manufacture a crisis when, had they actually exercised the “caution” and “judgement” Taylor mentions, and been less willing to be a conduit for Mr Rudd’s destabilisation plan, maybe we all could’ve seen it for the power-play it was.

    The only conclusion you can draw from all this is that Kevin Rudd has played the media like a Wii master, that the journalists know it, but that they honestly believe that in allowing him to do so, they are doing their job.

    Irony? You know you’re soaking in it.

  134. Rudd tried to call Greens post-resignation

    Senator Brown said he could work with Mr Rudd as prime minister, but did not think that was a likely scenario after Monday’s leadership ballot.

    “I’m expecting Julia Gillard will be prime minister until the next election,” he said.

    The Greens would work with whoever Labor appointed as its leader, he said.

    “If Kevin Rudd had been there (as prime minister) it would have been the same, but remember in the preceding 14 months I was not able to get in a conversation with Kevin,” he said.

    “I have since then.

    “I’ve had a good working relationship with him as foreign minister and might I say a good working relationship with Julia Gillard as prime minister.”

  135. Hawker is unbelievable, he is saying that Mr. Rudd should be given more time.

    What this fiasco should be allowed to go on, while Mr. Rudd plays his games and the trashing of Labor is beyond repair.

    Mr. Hawker has stepped down Fromm the job he had with the Queensland Campaign.

  136. Senator Brown did not have much luck working with him last time.

    What would be any different now, especially when Mr. Rudd will have to distant himself from the Greens.

    Premier on Sky now. Hawker not appropriate to be working on the campaign.

  137. Rudd turns to the people not the party

    Gillard’s pitch this morning was also extraordinary. She finally expanded on what she meant in June 2010 when she said the Rudd government had ”lost its way”.

    Rudd was a chaotic, difficult and dysfunctional leader obsessed by opinion polls and headlines, she said. What he lacked was the courage and the temperament to keep his head when those polls and the headlines with it went south.

    She went on to say that government was about more than just being a great campaigner and a populist, it was about the ability to keep going no matter how adverse the circumstances.

    And the most serious charge of all: that Rudd was behind the leaks which destroyed Labor’s 2010 election campaign.

  138. Min. My prediction is the same with the rider that Rudd will vote against Govt., to try to bring about a no confidence vote!

  139. Kevin Rudd says people are sick and tired of division….if what we are hearing is to be believed, that problem lies with Mr. Rudd!

  140. Pip, I would want to wait and see on that one. If Rudd even considered siding with Tony Abbott, then he had better invest in some bullet proof underwear.

  141. Bowen is a bit of a worry. As for Martin Ferguson, I Would not expect anything different from him.

    I am still suffering from the shock from an attack he made on me years ago. It was amazing, as I have had little influence anywhere. I have found he has a problem with woman.usually he has a problem with any that disagree with him.

    It was over making dad’s pay when separate. I imagine then that his brother will go the other way. I like the brother but Martin leaves me cold.

    If Mr. Rudd wanted more time, he should not have started the blue then went overseas.

    I am sure that video came from him.

    I do not like Sky, but I believe they maybe doing it better today.


  142. Recalling Kevin Rudd saying he did not believe that Julia gillard can win the next election.

    If he really doesn’t want Tony Abbott to win, he’s going about it the wrong way.

  143. Immigration Minister Chris Bowen says Rudd should stand in the ballot….
    he “has a lot to offer”…..”both candidates have a lot to offer”.

    For mine, Kevin Rudd should not have resigned while he was out of the country.

    Julie Bishop currently on ABC saying there should be an election and surprisingly, the host asked are there not similar things going on in the Liberal camp.

  144. I’m back (I’ve been lurking but not really commenting anywhere).

    On the topic at hand:
    What I find really interesting about this is the focus from Gillard and her supporters on getting stuff done, implementing reforms and doing the business of governing. It is refreshing that Gillard (and apparently the majority of the ALP) are expressing a sentiment that suggests they are not just in it for the sake of winning but rather for the sake of doing what they feel is necessary for the country (viewed through the ALP values).

    Contrast this to Rudd’s focus of simply being more electable (for the sake of being in power) and, even more so, on Abbott’s apparent preoccupation of returning to Australia a pre 2007 Coalition Government (based on Howards 1950s picture of Australia) where there was next to no major reform (other than the GST or WorkChoices).

    Now I’m not naive enough to think that Gillard and her supporters don’t want to keep winning elections – they obviously do – but I am comforted that they believe the right way to do that is to have the management runs on the board and let voters decide on the merits of the parties’ policies and record at the next election. The cynic in me doesn’t think the Aussie voter (or the MSM) is smart enough to bury down into the policy detail to draw the conclusions that Gillard and Co want them to but this doesn’t dissuade me from the view that a Gillard led ALP Government would be bnetter than a Rudd led one.

    That said, maybe if the Rudd/Gillard stoush is resolved on Monday with Gillard winning, the MSM attentiion will go onto Abbott and the LNP and the merits of their back to the “good ol’ days” approach to managing the country.

  145. Fightening thought. If Mr. Rudd gets up, he will not have Ms. Gillard as his backstop.

    There will be more talent on the back bench than in the cabinet.

  146. Martin Ferguson holding a PC on an hour. Not hard to know what side he will come down on. Wonder where Laurie is.

  147. Dave 55, likewise..great to see you back. 🙂 I agree too, implementation of policy is far more important than winning the election..but then if you don’t win, where do all of the reforms go?..back to the Tony Abbott Dark Ages.

    As has been mentioned many times, it’s the Gillard team’s failure to sell policies along with a media intent on keeping the Australian public completely in the dark about any ‘good news’ which is doing the greatest deal of damage. Rudd could do all the conniving which he wanted, but it wouldn’t have gained any traction without there being ‘a hole’ somewhere in the way which the government is promoting itself.

  148. luna, ltd news won’t pull Michael Owen into line….. he worked very hard to get rid of Premier Mike Rann, with daily repreats of the Chantelois set-up.

    Yes, he is a pig!

  149. Luna, another Australian reporter on Sky said that the PM was correct in her action. She does not have to be abused.

  150. We are getting all Mr. Abbott’s slogans ABC 24.

    Faceless men. So caucus are now faceless men.

    It is the left fraction that appears to be turning on the PM. That’s Her fraction.

    Fractions nave little meaning today.

    Mr. Abbott has a grin a mile wide and the walk is back.

  151. …and as for the bullshit line so often run by Abbott that this is not a legitimate government, Tony Windsor has recently stated that both he and Oakeshott offered both leaders to go back to the polls immediately after the last election, neither wanted that option.
    So Abbott accepted the poll result, but not he outcome.
    So this makes Julia Gillard an elected Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd a liar and Abbott the longest running dummy spit in Australian history.

  152. Lunalava & Pip
    Michael Owen, as you say, cut his high profile teeth in S.A. with his continual carping against Labor, essentially the liberal’s local man here. & yes, he was hot on the Michelle Chantelois issue, very hot. I wonder where she is now? I doubt Michael Owen knows.

  153. Hi Dave,

    I’ve no complaints. Don’t drink as much wine as I used to but I put that down to my unaffordably expensive tastes.

    How’s the little one?

    PS – I guess you’re gearing yourself up for the NRL season.

    I’ve given up on my AFL team so I might have to take an interest in the Raiders. Now that’s desperation!

  154. Martin Ferguson stating his support for Rudd (he is ahead in the polls) went on to threaten his colleagues – what a guy.
    Sounds like a eulogy (near tears IMO). Safe Labor seat I hope (in case of by election get rid of this guy)

  155. Well Martin did not let me down. Running true to form in my eyes.

    Is that a challenge to the PM, don’t you dare sack me.

    Comment from Sky. Martin has been a critic of every leader he serves under.

    I do not think he will be a lost.

  156. From Eddie’s link on the Media Watch thread..this seems to be the same treatment which Abbott enjoys. One would therefore be suspicious that the job is to “get Gillard”.

    At his two bizarre press announcements in Washington, Kevin Rudd spoke as if he was a total innocent, as pure as the driven snow, morally virginal, having never ever been involved in the grubby politics of undermining, white-anting, wounding and ultimately destroying an opponent.

    And reporters, some of whom knew that none of this was true, reported it all without comment, without letting us know that they knew, personally, that it was untrue.

  157. Re Michael Owen..the bull-shit-ometre just cranked up quite a number of notches when I read about how Owen said that he didn’t mean any disrespect.

    MICHAEL Owen, a reporter for The Australian in its Adelaide bureau, has apologised to Prime Minister Julia Gillard for his conduct during a press conference this morning.

    Owen contacted the Prime Minister’s office following the press conference to express his regret for the manner in which he questioned Ms Gillard as she discussed the impending Labor Party leadership battle with Kevin Rudd.

    The Australian’s editor-in-chief, Chris Mitchell, said Owen regretted his behaviour and meant no disrespect to the Prime Minister.

  158. Dave55, I do call the line at criticising how a person speaks. Often there are physically reasons beyond ones control.

    This I know well. I have a double cleft palate and hare lip. I have been judged stupid by the virtue of my speech defect.

    It can be cruel.

    I like Conroy’s comment. Mr. Rudd ask for plain speech and that is what they are doing. People are telling Mr. Rudd in plain speech what they thought of him.

  159. CU

    i thought bob brown made a relevant comment . before rudd flew out to mexico he spoke to him about closing the embassy in syria as things were getting dangerous.
    as bob said well he is no longer concerned with that.
    compare rudd to gillard, who has continued to work.

    rudd has a hissy fit, gillard has been undermined for months, but works through it all.

  160. Catching up,

    Sorry, no offence intended – comment was based on a long running ‘joke’ on Twitter about Fergusson’s public speaking and I admit I had never thought it may be offensive. Will think harder in the future.

  161. Sue, that education forum, that was shown on Sky was impressive. Standing before a audience of experts taking all questions. The little I watched, the PM seemed knowledgeable and confidence. Could not imagine either Abbott or Rudd doing the same.

    Mrs Thatcher had her war in the southern oceans. Mr. Howard had the Port Arthur Shootings and gin control. Maybe this is what the PM needed. A battle to fight and win.

    Mr, Howard must have thought it worked, as he kept having emergencies and security scares for the next decade.

  162. I always enjoyed Kevin Rudd’s public speaking, especially on his speciality of foreign affairs..although he of course was often ridiculed for being a wordy nerd.

    I notice that a few wise heads are calling on Labor to tone down the vitriol as after all, these are people who are going to have to work together in the future..for the good of the country.

  163. Thanks Dave. I think I might not be on the right track in this one. His son does have a cleft palate, not hare lip. I do not know about Martin.

    I have seen it elsewhere as well.

  164. Dead right, Min, let’s work together for the good of the country. We’ve seen too many politicians of late who think only of ‘me, me me’.

  165. Migs, likewise. We’ve stood up for both Gillard and Rudd in the past, but if it is true that he has been trying very underhand tactics to undermine Gillard and for a long time, and for no other reason than self-aggrandisement, then he has lost me as well.

  166. What is vicious about the attack on Rudd. They are only stating what they believe to be true.

    They appear to me, to be avoid making it nasty, but they do have to justify why they deposed him in the first place.

    All that I have heard, is that he did much good but it came to a sudden halt.

    If this is vicious, I do not understand.

  167. The Falklands Islands War and Port Arthur!

    As an analogy for the present ALP leadership spill ?

    Falkland Island casualties

    In total 907 were killed during the 74 days of the conflict:

    Argentina – 649

    Army – 194 (16 officers, 35 Non-commissioned officers (NCO) and 143 conscript privates)
    Navy – 341 (including 321 in Belgrano and 4 naval aviators)
    Marines – 34
    Air Force – 55 (including 31 pilots and 14 ground crew)
    Border Guard – 7
    Coast Guard – 2
    Civilian sailors – 16

    United Kingdom/Falklands – 258

    Royal Navy – 86 + 2 Hong Kong laundrymen
    Royal Marines – 27 (2 officers, 14 NCOs and 11 marines)
    Royal Fleet Auxiliary – 4 + 4 Hong Kong llaundrymen
    Merchant Navy – 6 + 2 Hong Kong sailors
    British Army – 123 (7 officers, 40 NCOs and 76 privates)
    Royal Air Force – 1 (1 officer)
    Falklands Islands civilians – 3 women killed by friendly fire

    Port Arthur

    35 killed

    21 wounded

  168. Miglo, have we really. I believe that anyone that follows politics have been aware of much which I believe was not uttered but understood.

    Has anyone been surprised by anything said about Mr. Rudd in the last few days.

    What I am surprised and disappointed about his belief that he can beat Abbott and the that he might be a very vindictive man.

    The PM, no matter what ones say, has treated him very well. Giving him the job he wanted and has been slow to blame him for the undermining that has been going on.

    Maybe she believed he would not go the whole hog and would tire of his little game. Who knows.

    This apparent weakness or tolerance has back fired on her. I believe it is an mistake the PM will not make again.

  169. I predict Julia will romp in on Monday. I also reckon when she gets the nod and Kevin Rudd is defeated, Liealot will no longer be able to question her right to the leadership nor that she is the legitimate PM.

    I think she has handled herself with extraordinary grace and dignity since she took over the leadership and assumed the role of PM, particularly in the face of the incredibly vicious and vindictive campaign of lies by the msm and her own Foreign Minister.

    If she were the spiteful backstabber alleged by her detrractors, she most certainly wouldn’t have let Rudd remain in the Cabinet and cherry pick his desired portfolio. He would be residing in the wilderness of the back benches.

    Similarly, if she was as bad as she’s painted by the usual suspects, this country would now be languishing in the grip of double digit unemployment and a recession with the economic illiterates who make up the Liars Party at the helm.

    However, now that Rudd’s treachery is out in the open, I predict we will see a newly invigorated PM performing with renewed confidence. And we’ll see this as she slices and dices Liealot and the Liars Party and hack reporters like Owen. I hope the buggers have provided the Red Cross with details of their blood groups.

  170. Interesting will be who will take over Rudd’s old job..I am assuming that he will go to the back bench. It has been mooted that Gillard might be prepared to do a deal with him, however that remains to be seen.

    But back to Rudd’s old job, I can’t see anyone currently in cabinet who Julia would want out of the country for an extended period of time, perhaps Smith back into his old job.

  171. In the nations interest and that of the Labor party, I would be having the caucus meeting long before Monday. I believe this is giving Mr. Abbott to much leeway to make mischief.

    As far as I am concerned, Monday morning is too late. I would have it Sunday at the latest.

    Surely the MP’s are very aware of how they are going to vote now. What does Mr. Rudd need more time.

    The government needs to have everything settled long before Parliament sits.

    Mr. Abbott must not be allow to be able to move the suspension of standing orders before the matter has been settled.

    This was led to the final destruction of Mr. Whitlam.. He went to have a meal, instead of straight back to the house. Allowing Mr. Fraser to get the money bills through and close parliament down.

    Maybe it would not have made any difference but we will never know.

    If Mr. Rudd was to win on Monday, there is a short period of time until he is sworn in. This is a dangerous time for Labor.

    Does one believe that Mr.Abbott is going to sit around while the ballot is taken. If so, they have rocks in their head.

  172. Jane agreed, Julia would certainly not given Rudd such a high profile portfolio as foreign affairs unless she did at the time, trust him. Abbott on the other hand bequeathed Turnbull with the dead-end job of the NBN.

  173. TB, which is similar to a cleft palate. I will go for the latter.

    I should known, but I never thought about it when I had contact with the Ferguson’s. Martin had moved to Melbourne by that time.

    In fact I did not notice until people started making comments, which is unusual for me.

    Dave, my hide is very thick.

    I am quite proud of the attack he made on me that night at a Labor meeting. It was the only time that I have been seen as a threat to anyone, especially in his position.

  174. Anthony, simple, he has an over grown ego and sense of entitlement, and the ability to be vindictive.

    Both Mr. ABbott and Mt. Rudd are running out of them. That is why we are seeing this stupidity now.

    It is uphill for the PM from now on.

    Maybe with Mr. Rudd out of the way, the PM might have more success with her Regional Solution, who knows.

  175. Are you saying, TB, that there’ll be a large number of casualties in the Labor Party?</i.

    Nothing so flippant … but since you ask, I found it to be in poor taste …

  176. Kevin Rennie @4.16pm, I’m with you.

    CU @4.26pm, I agree. To butcher the Bard “If it ’twere done, it ’twere best be done quickly.” They should have the winner installed before Parliament opens, cutting Liealot off at the knees.

  177. TB, I did not think of that. Sorry, I was saying this is the first time the PM has had to get out and fight for something. I was not thinking of the deaths etc. Sorry.

    It still holds true, that those terrible events did not harm Howard or Thatcher.

    Thanks for pulling me up. My hide has got too thick.

  178. Min
    jenny Maklin was furious today. her fury was aimed at caucus colleagues that had been working against her, during her difficult negotiations for the mandatory poker machine legisaltion.

  179. Maybe this lets me off the hook a little. Assassinations.

    Since the Labor leadership contest turned toxic yesterday, there’s been a bit of gloating, particularly on Twitter, from some in the Canberra press gallery and political journalists in general.
    It’s along the lines of: “we told you so”. The longer version is: “so, does anyone still think the leadership story was a beatup?”

    It’s in response to people screeching, again especially on Twitter, that the Rudd challenge was an invention of journalists, either at the behest of their evil paymasters or because they have nothing better to do.
    It’s true that some loyal party supporters on both sides of politics operate in a constant state of wishful thinking, refusing to acknowledge that anything can go wrong with their team and anyone who says otherwise is part of a conspiracy. Some Labor true believers don’t like seeing damaging stories about their party.
    But on the general “beatup” accusation, journos cannot simply claim vindication because the ALP is now in turmoil. The media was complicit in creating the current circumstances and that’s usually the way with leadership challenges.
    Political assassinations (I’m sorry, combat language just inserts itself in

  180. Agree with you Jane I think the PM will get a boost out of this episode.

    I just feel really stupid, I believed Rudd was the victim for a long time and went on line time and time again to defend the bastard.

    Still, I was not as annoyed as Jenny Macklin when she found out that Rudd had been secretly white-anting the poker machine reforms behind her back.

    They used to say (probably still do) that you did not have to worry about Graham Richardson stabbing you in the back… he would stab you in the front.

    There is something cowardly about the cunning shit-house rats who do you down just to puff up their own ego.

  181. Sue, I remember mentions that some Labor people were being lobbied by the gambling industry..good on Macklin for speaking out.

  182. Thanks for pulling me up. My hide has got too thick.

    Methinks, it occurs to us all on occasion, CU …

    I thought it was enough to list the casualties … a terrible cost by other people for political egos in Argentina and the UK …

    Nothing changes … my post was driven by the loss of a couple of mates in 1971 … nothing personal …

  183. Miglo @ 2.35pm,
    I’ve given up on my AFL team so I might have to take an interest in the Raiders. Now that’s desperation!

    Surely not!

    Port have Matthew Primus as their coach; he injured his knee just before their winning Grand Final, and sadly missed his chance, Sean Rehn and Tyson Edwards, both two-time Crows Premiership winners.

    Don’t give up or I’ll only have Jane to argue with. :sad:.

  184. Cu, the thing about ‘the Rudd challenge’ is that it ended up like the neverending story. Over and over the MSM stated that there would be a challenge any tick of the clock, so of course everyone’s reaction was we go again.

    This time the media got it right.

  185. TB, it is indeed shocking how politicians take advantage of such tragedies. Mr. Howard was not travelling well until Port Arthur. Running around in body armour in bringing legislation he had no choice about did him no harm. Same applied to the iron lady.

  186. Macklin has made some good speeches lately, especially in the house. It must be that anger that is driving her. I did not think she had it in her.

  187. Is Andrew Wilkie naive or a tad duplicitous himself?

    Wilkie seeks Rudd clarification on poker machine position

    ANDREW Wilkie will issue a please explain to Kevin Rudd over claims his chief numbers man told the clubs lobby he would kill off the independent MP’s mandatory pre-commitment scheme.
    The anti-gambling campaigner, who has flagged his support for Mr Rudd should he become prime minister again, said he would not pre-judge Mr Rudd but would seek an explanation from him.

    “I look forward to speaking to him personally in due course,” Mr Wilkie said.

    However, he noted it was Ms Gillard, not Mr Rudd, who reneged on her commitment to introduce his poker machine reform plan.

    Rudd campaigner Alan Griffin, a Victorian backbencher, today admitted he told Clubs Australia last year to lobby independent Bob Katter and then-LNP member Peter Slipper on the issue.M/blockquote>

  188. Sorry Min, they did not. They all agreed that it would be next week at the earliest, as nothing could happen while Rudd was overseas.

    Someone even suggested the ides of March.

  189. Conroy says Rudd has been playing double game on pokies reform

    TONY EASTLEY: Well as you just heard Alan Griffin denies meeting with Clubs Australia to lobby on behalf of Kevin Rudd. Cabinet members simply don’t believe that.

    Communications Minister Senator Stephen Conroy, you say Kevin Rudd has been constantly undermining the Government. What form did that undermining take?

    STEPHEN CONROY: Well let’s be very clear about this. What’s been revealed last night on television and over the weekend with Andrew Wilkie is a complete and utter fraud by Kevin Rudd.

    He has been pretending that he supported the pre-commitment technology, pretending he supported reform in this area, but his key numbers man just happened to have two meetings and tell Clubs Australia that he would kill it.

    And we all know last year, late last year Kevin Rudd’s supporters…

    TONY EASTLEY: But if I can bring you back, Alan Griffin denies that.

    STEPHEN CONROY: Yeah well you’d have to believe in Santa Claus that a Victorian backbencher who happens to be Kevin Rudd’s key numbers man happens to suddenly take an interest.

    I mean Clubs Australia have been absolutely clear that they believe what everybody else in the Caucus was being told. Kevin Rudd’s supporters – just go back and check the record – Kevin Rudd’s supporters were walking around Caucus saying look, dump Wilkie, I’ll make this go away. Kevin doesn’t need Andrew Wilkie in Parliament. He can get Bob Katter.

    The Australian public needs to know what’s been going on here.

    And this has been a long fuse, you’ve all heard that phrase they’ve been using, the Rudd supporters, this is a long fuse to destabilise the Prime Minister.

    Read on

  190. The worst of all is that as we have all seen the msm is all for abbott and against gillard. it now comes out that rudd has been leaking to the press, effectively using the press against his own party.

    do not ferguson, carr, macellan , cameron see this as trechery?

  191. Cu, I was talking about previous episodes of media speculation, all were incorrect. This time they said there would be a challenge and the media were correct, there was one.

  192. The treachery I see in all of this is the refusal by Julia Gillard to answer questions regarding when she plotted her coup against Kevin Rudd. So nice to see so many of you declaring Kevin Rudd a traitor yet turn a massive blind eye to the deposal of an elected PM for the first time in Australian history by simply brushing it away using legal and political terms of reference.

    I support Rudd as you would find most middle of the road non rusted on voters do. Julia was given the benefit of the doubt in regards to how she came to depose Kevin. The truth has outed over the last week to show that the plan was premeditated for a number of weeks and not the sudden deposing alluded to.

    The ALP is toasted to charcoal. They will be annihialted at the next election. I forecast many will retire in 2013 just like they are in QLD, Leaving the sinking ship of doom to take their pensions for life.

    For a swinging voter with social and environmental desires I find it disappointing to make the above comments. But unlike many I tell it as I see it.

  193. pip
    hadn’t thought of that
    but when you see how angry some were for being tossed out of cabinet, and now we know about the leaks
    then yes angry at the strength of gillard

  194. Many do not want Rudd or Gillard but are also very clear they do not want Abbott either

    … and that, in nutshell, is the dilemma for voters …

    … I’d probably vote for Turnbull … but the front bench would be dismal …

    … the Westminster System really needs to be changed or a better system found/developed , so that we can use ALL of our political talent … no just those from one side of it …

  195. Shane, I am going to be agreeing with you. Like it or not, the fact that Gillard was a party to Rudd being deposed has colored her prime ministership. The fact is that when she was tapped on the shoulder, she did have the option to say No.

    Which of course does not mean that what Rudd is now doing is right. I mentioned previously that I think that the only way that Labor will come within cooee of making a fist of the next election is if BOTH Rudd and Gillard quietly retire to the backbenches.

  196. Funny how up to two weeks has become a number of weeks,

    The PM has said that she had concerns. The PM also said that she made her mind up at the last moment.

    The PM was reluctant to say what she has today, the real reason why Rudd had to go.

    Nothing changes that.

    Looking at Mr. Rudd’s recent behaviour, I believe the right decision was made.

    The mistake made was trying to protect Mr.Rudd’s feelings.

    Many, most acknowledge that Mr. Rudd did much good but become nonfunctional.

    I believe the decision was made to oust Mr.Rudd without trashing him.

    I believe that is an mistake this PM will not do again.

    Would it have been any better to have a drawn out bun fight that ended up with the same result. Mr. Rudd did not have support in caucus.

    I do believe that the PM was reluctant to take over at that time and was content to keep things going behind the scene.

    The PM would have been aware that she would have her chance later on.

    From where I am sitting, the PM has spent to much time, avoiding treading on toes and being seen as fair. All that has done, is make her seem weak. It’s time for the PM to grab that authority being PM gives her.

    el gordo is wrong, when she says that women are more likely to vote for another woman. Sadly this is not true, in power struggles. They are more likely to go with what they see as they strength and vote for the male.

    That is what I find amazing, the female vote is staying with PM Gillard.

    Bishop and Mirabella are examples of where there vote goes when it is between the sexes.

    Women in power struggles do not rely on the female vote. They know they have to get the males on side.

  197. TB, I kinda like Roxon..she has always been a strong performer, perhaps Smith back as Foreign Minister and as I mentioned (somewhere or another), either Shorten or Combet as deputy. Now that would shut the Liberals up..another woman for Abbott to sneer at. 😀

  198. Government business still goes on.

    TELSTRA today confirmed its acceptance of the government’s conditions to its landmark structural separation undertakings, clearing the way for its National Broadband Network (NBN) deal.

    The telco giant today lodged its revised separation plan and expressed confidence that the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission would finally accept the undertaking and remove the last hurdle in the way of its $11 billion deal to transfer its fixed-line monopoly to the NBN Co.

  199. el grodo, it’s about character, which Tony Abbott is himself very fond of judging. Good for goose, good for gander.

  200. The Sisterhood will probably stand as a solid block behind Julia, this should ensure some security, but if Kevin is rolled he may quit and be joined by others to bring down the party.

    Me thinks Cheeseman.

  201. What sisterhood? It seems that it’s the front benches who are supporting Gillard, irrespective of gender.

    Phillip Coorey calls it correctly IMO,

    This is the paradox. Gillard is well liked by the majority of her colleagues but disliked by the majority of the voters. Rudd is loathed, indeed hated, by the majority of his colleagues, but is vastly more popular than Gillard among the public.

  202. Min

    Thanks for agreeing with me for a change 🙂

    The thing is, no matter how much legal or party political spin was put on the removal of Kevin Rudd it will never be forgiven by the swinging voters who voted for him. The rusted on ALP voters are irrelevant in an election just the same as the rusted on coalition voters. The swinging voters were pissed off and remain so.

    If the party hated the way Kevin was doing his job why didn’t a few resign from the ministry to force him to listen. That would have rattled his cage and also indiatec to the public that all was not well.

  203. TB, I kinda like Roxon …

    Min, we are talking about the PM here … there is something missing with Nicola … as with, say, Stephen Smith and Penny Wong … all top performers in the varied portfolios they have managed …

    … but look at the PM’s we’ve had in the past (apart from JH … arghhghhgh!) … they had ………….. character ……….. Aussie character ….

  204. TB, my guess is that Roxon and Smith are policy wonks and don’t use their time trying to charm people.
    Business like and straight to the point in the vain hope that at least one sentence of what they’re saying will be accurately reported.

  205. TB, you could be right there..but Roxon certainly showed that she is capable of character when she gave Abbott a serve.

    I said that about Crean when there was earlier speculation in the media that he might have a crack at the top job..sorry, dull as dishwater.

    Maybe that’s all for the best, perhaps Australia has gone too far with The Cult of Personality. I remember reading somewhere that Abraham Lincoln would never have been elected president should he run today – tall, scrawny and with bad teeth.

  206. Pi, not sure what a wonk is?

    But if you mean work at the task in hand … that’s what business people do …

    But the PM MUST trumpet the achievements of the government as the portfolio ministers must for their departments …

    … I guess the media should also report the successes as well as the failures …

    … hope springs eternal! …

  207. el gordo, we are very poor at sisterhood in this country. I find that a shame.

    I envy the way that woman in other cultures are able to stick together and rely on one another.

  208. TB, I agree, all the government MPs and Ministers must trumpet their achievements……they do that, but the problem is that the media have flatly refused to report on policy 99% of the time !

  209. Oh well rudd and quits just doesn’t go together

    mcclelland would not committ to the going to the back bench if gillard wins. he would not even committ to stopping the sabotage.

    so rudd ain’t quitting unless he is totally wiped out. and i reckon if it looks that way he won’t challenge on monday but continue the destabilisation.

  210. ‘…we are very poor at sisterhood in this country.’

    I disagree, CW is a microcosm, a political cell of blind faith, unconcerned about Julia’s inability to beat Tabot.

    Do you know of any female MP who plans to vote for the Ruddster?

  211. El gordo, wrong again. If you kept up with the topics you would know that many here are concerned about Gillard’s inability to “beat” Tony Abbott. But surely you don’t mean that Tony Abbott has the superior policies. Nope, so far no female politician has come out in support of Rudd, but why is that relevant unless you are inferring that females are incapable of forming their own conclusions..that’s a blast from the past..she’s only getting the votes cos she’s a woman. 🙄

  212. I’m only interested in the numbers, Julia can count on this block for the first vote.

    If its a two horse race, then Julia should win it.

  213. ‘unless you are inferring that females are incapable of forming their own conclusions..’

    No, that would be folly.

  214. el gordo obviously has no idea what sisterhood is about. There is very little to be found among caucasian Australians.

    I was surprise when this was bought home to me while studying sociology.

    The behaviour of MS. Mirabella and Ms Bishop towards the PM is more the norm.

    I believe the fact that the PM is attracting the support of other women is terrific.

    Maybe we are growing up at last.

    el gordo sure works hard in her attempt to disrail the topic.

    I bite on this one, because I find the subject of sisterhood interesting.

    Proof of what I say, is look at how quick women drop their woman friends when they marry. I hope the younger generation no longer do this.

    How many older women have the girlfriends, they had before marriage,

  215. el gordo, if Mr. Rudd cannot attract the support of women, that says more about Rudd than women in general.

    I would add that Mr. Rudd also has problemns attracting the support of males as well.

  216. ‘Mr McClelland would not rule out multiple leadership ballots…’

    If only men were left standing, would they vote as a block?

  217. It doesn’t make much sense…Rudd has always had stronger appeal to women voters, so where does this voting in a bloc cos she’s a woman come from?

    El gordo you are still starting with an erroneous assumption that female MPs have indicated that they are supporting Gillard ‘cos she’s a woman’..out of 50 possible/probable reasons, you are honing in on one reason only – gender.

  218. I just feel really stupid, I believed Rudd was the victim for a long time and went on line time and time again to defend the bastard.

    You’re not Robinson Crusoe on that score, lunalava.

    Aww, Pip @4.57pm, would I argue with you?

    Migs @5.26pm, I’ll second that!!

    Pip @5.34pm, booo hisss!!!!!

    shane, TB & Min it would have made no difference whether Gillard had acquiesced or not. If she didn’t do it, it was made very clear to her that they’d get someone else to do the job and she could expect to be punished.

    It’s now obvious that the Rudd government was being destroyed from within. He seemed shellshocked from January 2010to me and it was obvious that he had no idea how to shut Liealot down. Now we know that he had put most of his colleagues offside and had to go.

    The proof of that pudding is the vehemence of Wayne Swan’s attack. I thought as far back as utegate that their was a considerable amount of antipathy between the two and that Rudd was dismissive and patronising toward Swan.

    Hear! Hear! CU @6.01pm.

    shane, nice to hear you’re getting better. Keep up the good work. Do you know when you’ll be allowed to go home?

    On the polls, and Kevin Rudd. If he were returned as PM, within a few months there would be another tap on the shoulder, because he would have put everyone offside again.

    I suspect that even if the entire Cabinet had resigned, he would not have taken the hint. And the whiteanting confirms that he hasn’t changed his ways.

    Plus there’s the Labor Rat issue which will raise it’s head. I doubt that anyone would trust him not to sell them out as his cosying up to Clubs Australia has shown.

    Arrogant, untrustworthy and duplicitous. If I were a swinging voter, knowing what we now know, I would feel betrayed by him, instead of feeling angry that he had been forced to abdicate. The ALP hasn’t betrayed swinging voters, Rudd has with his behaviour.

    And with all that ammo, Liealot and the Liars Party would have the drop on him big time. He would be a lame duck and a liability. His credibility is shot and the opposition wouldn’t fail to make it a running sore.

    As for Turnbull, he blotted his copybook irretrievably afaic with the Grech affair. Arrogant, overbearing, lacking political nous and judgement. Couldn’t vote for him in a fit.

  219. And Rudd and the cutsy, cutsy crapola now extends to the wife and daughter.

    so do therese and jessica work in rudd’s electorate. when rudd is o/s do they do the electorate work. at the 2010 election rudd had a swing against him of -9%, the qld state was only -5.59% and nationally -2.58%

    it shows that rudd hasn’t changed, it shows rudd is as good as howard. wasn’t it mrs h who told johnnie that he was the best for the libs.

    and now we have a junior rudd, what is her claim to australian politics. that’t right she used her marriage to assist in influencing the vote in howard’s electorate.
    apart from that i haven’t heard of how she works, out in the electorates.

    So there you have it Rudd was disliked in his own electorate

    And for interest gillard increased her vote up by 6.62%

  220. So Rudd sees no wrong in putting the cat among the pigeons and now wants this circus to continue for another week while he makes up his mind whether he runs or not,

    Something very selfish and egoistic in his actions, I believe.

    Mr. Rudd blames the faceless men, because he cannot accept the opinion that his work mates have of him.

    It is not about popularity, identified by the polls. It is about who can do the best job at this time.

    The attacks are not that personal, in the they are about his personality. They are aimed at why he was deposed. He was seriously wanting in his ability to carry out the role of PM.

    There has been credit given to the good he did, but he hit a brick wall that for some reason prevented him from carrying out the duties of PM

    There has been much credit given for his role as FM.

    Mr. Rudd, himself has been just as or more vicious against the PM.

    It is obvious now that he has been white anting the PM and government since he was deposed.

    What makes me angry, is that the PM has spent the last year doing the heavy lifting, made harder by his actions and was now looking forwarded to enjoying the fruits of her labour. Mr. Rudd has bought this prospect to a sudden halt.

    It is said a greater number of the poll support come from Coalition voters, who will never vote for him. The same can be said for Mr. Turnbull who has greater support among Labor voters.

    His so called popularity can and will fall overnight.

    I believe the PM has been very generous in not calling the caucus together long before Monday. This would have lessened the damage being done to the party and government.

    If Mr. Rudd had shown a little humility and took some responsibility for his actions, now and in the past, I might not be so hard on him.

    It worries me that he seems to believe that he is the messiah sent to save the Labor Party, Government and country.

    His proposition that people choose the PM is hilarious. If people believe and want this, they need to change the Constitution.

    People elect their local member, who they hope will have the numbers in parliament to create the government d give them the PM they want. That PM can and is often changed at anytime.

    Yes, Mr. Rudd led the government to victory, but he was quickly leading the same government to disaster.

    One should take their minds back to what the media was saying daily at the time.

    Yes he is a wonderful campaigner, as we can see at this time. Where the problem is, he does not appear to have the skills necessary to be.PM.

    That is the sad truth. This does not and should not detract from the many abilities the man has. It is a shame he trashed his own reputation from his past deeds and recent efforts as FM.

  221. Cu, in all the words spoken by Mr. Rudd and PM Gillard since yesterday, only one of them has admitted to making some mistakes, and it wasn’t Mr. Rudd.

    When he was deposed I, like many others, was very angry and wrote to the
    ALP during that evening expressing my opposition to the move.

    However, the decision was made and in my opinion the only thing to do was to observe what PM Gillard could do better.
    She has made remarkable progress which has been consistently ignored by the press gallery.

    Learning now that Mr. Rudd, because of his background whiteanting, damn near caused Tony Abbott to be the Prime Minister has caused me to think that the deposing wasn’t such a bad idea; his colleagues couldn’t or wouldn’t criticise him during or after the election campaign but instead did talk about the good things he did, and got on with the very difficult business of a Minority

  222. I do not agree with Ms. Grattan very often lately but in this warning I have to.

    There is a Constitutional mine filed with Labor, if Mr. Rudd wins on Monday.

    Do not believe that Mr. Abbott and Co are now studying that Constitution to find a way through for them.

    Mr. Whitlam’s biggest mistake in taking the Constitution for granted. It was believed at the time, the GG had to take her orders from and only from the PM. This was proven not to be true. I am not so sure the actions of Te GG at the time would have withstood a high court challenge but that is immaterial.

    I have real concerns that this matter is not Bing dealt with before Monday.

    Surely not even Mr. Rudd can believe he can win an election at this time.

    As much as I hate it, Mr. Rudd has ensured that Mr. Abbott gets his wish.

    No wonder that many in caucus are so angry at Mr. Rudd’s actions, especially those with experience.

    Constitutional experts warn that even if Kevin Rudd wins the ballot it is far from certain he will become prime minister.

    A party needs the confidence of 76 members of the lower house to govern. If a Rudd-led Labor lost the support of a majority – for example because crossbenchers Rob Oakeshott or Tony Windsor withdrew their support, or because Labor MPs resigned and the Coalition won the subsequent by elections – Mr Rudd would have to try to form a new majority by winning the support of other MPs, such as crossbenchers Bob Katter and Andrew Wilkie.

    If he was unable to win the support of a majority of lower house MPs, Mr Rudd could advise the Governor-General, Quentin Bryce, to call an election.

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    “There is much more to the leadership contest than what occurs in the caucus” … George Williams. Photo: Glen McCurtayne
    But constitutional expert Greg Craven – vice-chancellor of the Australian Catholic University – says convention would dictate that the Governor-General would suggest that Mr Rudd advise her to give Tony Abbott the chance to form government.

    If Mr Rudd refused, the Governor-General could sack him and call Mr Abbott in. If Mr Abbott could not gather a majority, an election would be inevitable.

    But Professor Craven says it is unclear who would go to the election as prime minister. ”There are scenarios here that would produce quite unpredictable consequences,” he said.

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  223. Treasurer Wayne Swan’s statement on Rudd’s resignation

    Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan has issued a statement slamming Kevin Rudd, following his resignation as foreign minister:

    Prime Minister Gillard and I and the overwhelming majority of our colleagues have been applying our Labor values to the policy challenges in front of us and we’re succeeding despite tremendous political obstacles.

    For the sake of the labour movement, the Government and the Australians which it represents, we have refrained from criticism to date.

    However for too long, Kevin Rudd has been putting his own self-interest ahead of the interests of the broader labour movement and the country as a whole, and that needs to stop.

    The Party has given Kevin Rudd all the opportunities in the world and he wasted them with his dysfunctional decision making and his deeply demeaning attitude towards other people including our caucus colleagues.

    He sought to tear down the 2010 campaign, deliberately risking an Abbott Prime Ministership, and now he undermines the Government at every turn.

    He was the Party’s biggest beneficiary then its biggest critic; but never a loyal or selfless example of its values and objectives.


  224. What could and in my humble opinion likely to happen. I have high lighted what I believe to be important. Mr. Abbott cannot offer us stabilty, or do what he desires.

    If Mr Abbott could win the support of a majority of lower house MPs, he could form a Coalition government without an election. The Curtin Labor government was able to form government in 1941 when independents crossed the floor, bringing down the Robert Menzies-led conservatives.

    Mr Abbott said yesterday he would immediately call an election if he was asked to form a government in the wake of a change in the Labor leadership.

    Any election called now would only be for the House of Representatives, as the Senate’s terms are fixed and the next half-Senate election is not due until the second half of next year. These senators would not take up their seats until the following July.
    Professor Williams said having the electoral cycles for the two houses out of sync was ”undesirable” because it would mean two separate elections would be required within two years, and it would produce a freshly elected lower house with a make-up that was not reflected in the Senate.
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  225. Swan cancels G20 Mexico attendance

    Treasurer Wayne Swan has cancelled his attendance at the G20 Finance Ministers’ meeting in Mexico on the weekend.

    Mr Swan said in a statement on Thursday he had informed the meeting’s host, Mexican Finance Minister Jose Antonio Meade, of his decision.

    Mr Swan was tipped to urge nations at the Mexico talks to build a “global firewall” in the form of an adequately-resourced International Monetary Fund (IMF), alongside a strengthened European firewall to boost confidence and prevent contagion spreading to the rest of world.

    “I look forward to meeting again with my G20 colleagues at the IMF and World Bank Spring Meetings in April,” he said.

    Did Mr. Rudd only consider the consequences of making his announcement
    from Washington, and just at the right time for our news cycle, without considering other more important government business, or didn’t he care?

  226. This is the message I have sent to the Labor Senators. I have sent a similar one to my local member. I live in a safe seat, so that will not make much difference.


    Kim Carr –

    Jacinta Collins –

    Stephen Conroy –

    David Feeney –

    Gavin Marshall –


    Anna Burke, Chisholm,

    Anthony Byrne, Holt,

    Darren Cheeseman, Corangamite,

    Simon Crean, Hotham,

    Michael Danby, Melbourne Ports,

    Mark Dreyfus, Isaacs,

    Martin Ferguson, Batman,

    Steve Gibbons, Bendigo,

    Julia Gillard, Lalor,

    Alan Griffin, Bruce,

    Harry Jenkins, Scullin,

    Catherine King, Ballarat,

    Jenny Macklin, Jagajaga,

    Richard Marles, Corio,

    Rob Mitchell, McEwen,

    Brendan O’Connor, Gorton, Brendan.O’

    Nicola Roxon, Gellibrand,

    Bill Shorten, Maribyrnong,

    Laura Smyth, La Trobe,

    Mike Symon, Deakin,

    Kelvin Thomson, Wills,

    Maria Vamvakinou, Calwell,

  227. The polls were wrong last time.

    Rudd’s bond with the people began to fray after Copenhagen. Having picked him as a leader long before he became his party’s choice, Aust­ralians had held Rudd in extraordinary affection for years. Never had the polls shown a prime minister so popular for so long. But after this debacle, the mood shifted. In late April this year, when he abandoned his emissions trading scheme until the far reaches of a second term, the people and the polls turned on him savagely. His leadership was in question.

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  228. Pip, leadership challenges in themselves are not wrong. It is the way that a government can renew themselves.

    No PM can believe that once elected, they cannot also be deposed by the same people.

    Mr. Keating came to the conclusion that Mr. Hawke was no longer functional, and set out to remove home, according to the rules of the party. It did not help that Mr. Hawke broke his word.

    The Americans have got it right, when they only allow two terms for their leader.

    One would have more respect for Mr. Rudd if he did this in the open.

    The problem is that Mr. Rudd became dysfunctional long before Mr. Hawke.

    There is lot of media hysteria in attempting to make out what is occurring is unusual. It is how politics works. It will be forgotten in a week.

    How quick it is forgotten, defends on Mr. Rudd.

    I am sick of hearing Labor was on top everywhere four years ago. So what, who is in power, especially in the states goes in cycles.
    , especially when it is necessary.

    Please send a email to he senators as Mr. Rudd and his wife has suggested.

  229. Love Mr. Uhlmann for once when asked about Mr, Rudd’s supporters saying he won’t sack his detractors.

    Mr. Uhlmann said if if did sack them, he would have a very small cabinet.

  230. Mr. Rudd aid that no one will lose their pre-selection. Does he have the power to do that.

    I am making the assumption that Mr. Rudd is now saying of the PM in public, that he has been saying for over eighteen months to the media in private.

    Hyperbole, whose, that we should not get carried away with.

  231. Cu, thanks for all he MP’s email addresses. will do.

    This is where the rot set in…

    Government to make third ETS attempt
    Misha Schubert, Michelle Grattan
    December 2, 2009.

    Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard says the Government will make a third attempt at winning Senate approval for its emissions trading scheme when Parliament resumes sitting in February.

    The Senate today voted down for a second time legislation setting up the carbon pollution reduction scheme.

    Acting Prime Minister Julia Gillard, flanked by climate change ministers Penny Wong and Greg Combet, said the Government would reintroduce its legislation on February 2.

    Ms Gillard said the bill would include the amendments negotiated with the Liberal party and ‘‘and agreed to just a short time ago by the Liberal party room’’.

    ‘‘We are doing this to give the Liberal Party one chance to work through and deal with this legislation in the national interest,’’ she told reporters in Canberra.

    The Federal Government’s controversial emissions trading scheme was decisively voted down 41 to 33 by the Senate around midday.

    Labor is attempting to keep the blowtorch on the Liberals and their new leader, Tony Abbott, on the issue of climate change.

    it was Kevin Rudd who blinked and delayed the ETS to a distant date after Tony Abbott became the Opposition Leader.

    Julia Gillard did not blink, and after becoming the Prime Minister she went to the 2010 election saying she wanted to put a price on carbon followed by an ETS.

    Mission accomplished in a Minority Government.

  232. Thanks to luna and Sue for this link which is also posted on the Who? Why? page

    11:04am: Remember when Kevin Rudd’s senior adviser on mental health John Mendoza resigned in 2010? It was a week before Mr Rudd was ousted. Mr Mendoza now says he quit his job as chairman of the National Advisory Council on Mental Health due to the former PM’s dysfunctional leadership. He says Mr Rudd’s style was erratic, unpredictable and chaotic.

    The Australian public is now starting to understand that he wasn’t knifed in the back. In fact he was removed for his own wellbeing and the government of the country had to function. .And I suspect if Kevin Rudd is elected leader of Labor Party next week there will be mass resignations across the senior echelon of the Australian public sector.

    John Mendoza

  233. It’s only fair to remind people of the good things that Kevin Rudd did for the pensioners, which makes life much easier for them.

    There’s also this little reminder of the way leaks work.
    Laurie Oakes’ gleeful disclosure of the leak at Julia Gillard’s National Press Club address before the 2010 election.

    Friday, 16 July 2010
    PM hit by Oakes ambush

    According to Oakes, Gillard and Rudd brokered an agreement whereby the languishing former PM would go to an October election but stand aside in the weeks before if his popularity had not improved. But when Gillard realised she had the numbers, she allegedly reneged on the deal.

    PM Gillard reportedly did support Rudd right up to the point where she discovered that Rudd’s staffers were running around asking whether she really backed him. He didn’t take her word for it and didn’t ask her to her face….all bet’s were off after that.


  234. More information about John Mendoza

    Mental health policy ‘aimless’
    by: Adam Cresswell From: The Australian February 14, 2012

    A LEADING mental health expert has launched a petition calling for a draft key national policy document to be torn up, arguing that it will achieve nothing and contains too little of value to be worth pursuing.

    John Mendoza, who quit as the Rudd government’s top mental health adviser nearly two years ago, is more than halfway towards his target of 500 signatures, in signs of rising unhappiness in the sector over a 10-year “roadmap” for reform issued for public comment last month.

    .Login to read the rest of this article

  235. When will people realize that Gillard is to blame for labors woes to-day? Kevin was by all accounts a psychopath, a bully and unpopular to say the least. Labor started or continued to blame Abbott for all the woes of the world, now they are blaming Rudd, but I put it to you that if Gillard was a good leader labor would not be in this mess today. You don’t have to be popular to be a good leader, but you have to be strong and people will follow. It seems it is only “her caucus” that are willing to follow her. They are all as pathetic as she is for letting psycho Rud d get away with things for so long. Not one backbone amongst them. I imagine they will be snitching and backstabbing behind closed doors almost immeadiatly after the ballot on Monday.So much for “stable government” a stable of donkeys I say, no offence to donkeys.

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