Hey True Blue…

It has been a while since I posted anything, so I hope I’m not too rusty…

With Australia day looming, I thought I would write something about what seems to be a popular subject currently, Australians and racism.

We didn’t really need Dr Charles Teo to tell us that racism is alive and well in Australia, one only has to walk around with eyes open.

For those who missed the stories on Dr Teo’s words, below is a link to the story in the Herald.


I do however applaud Dr Teo for having the guts to come out and say it openly. Considering he is going to say it as part of the NSW Australia Day speech shows not only great courage, but also shows that racism has clearly impacted his life. When the brain surgeon tells us that his young daughter has been told to “Go Home”, because of her Asian heritage, by drunken Aussie revelers, and that this happened while she was out celebrating Australia Day, which is the national day of the country in which she was born, is nothing less than a disgrace. But you know what? I probably wouldn’t care too much if it was an isolated incident, but the fact is, it’s not…

Much of Australia’s racism is brought on by ignorance and fear.

Of course this ignorance is not helped by politicians pandering to the fear merchants…

Idiots like Tony Abbott suggesting that Australia break international laws and turn around asylum seeker boats that are in Australian waters, or just plain bastards like Scott Morrison complaining that the government wasted money  flying a young child to the funeral of his family, after they were killed in the Christmas Island tragedy. I mean, how low do we really have to stoop?

Ignorance can be helped by education and experience. I find most people who have racist tendencies have not travelled much at all, particularly abroad. It would be nice if everyone had the opportunity to travel, but I am somewhat of a realist. With that in mind, more needs to be done to educate the next generation of leaders in our schools, however it is going to take more than that to get over the fear aspect.

Thankfully, Hollywood seems to be doing the right thing for once. Television shows like Big Bang Theory, Terra Nova, and The Good Wife (I mean what is there to not like about Archie Panjabi?) seem to be trying to paint inter-racial relationships as the norm, in terms of both friendships, lovers, and partners. Amazingly, it is being done quite well and not coming off corny either, unlike like the old token black characters of old. I do wish we could see more of it on Australian television though.

Archie Panjabi

Hopefully this will have an impact if it is kept up. I believe it will, as like it or not, most of us absorb what is pumped into us by the networks, usually without realizing.

The problem is though, there will always be elements of society that are racist, it cannot be stopped unfortunately. You can’t fight history….

Those who think that the racism issue in Australia is exaggerated, might like to plan a family holiday to Brisbane in April. There the whole family can enjoy the Neo Nazi Festival that is going ahead despite cries of protest. I would provide a link for the event, however I don’t want to promote this sort of ignorance and blind hatred, even unintentionally…

But instead of hating the racist elements, maybe we should pity them. It must be awful to live your life in such fear.

Racists, being so fearful, are clearly the weakest link amongst us. Weak in many different ways, they seem to only act on mass (think Cronulla riots), they seem to be suckers for peer group pressure (hating others because their mates do), they think understanding another culture is too hard (easier to reject it), if they can’t understand something they put up mental barriers (I don’t get it, so I don’t like it).

However, they don’t want to appear weak, so they put up the tough image with the Southern Cross tatts, and the “Fuck Off We’re Full” car stickers.

Although these things are a blight on our society, and although we may be ashamed of their behavior, for now I think we will just have to put up with it, as while most of us hate it, there are those who will continue to encourage it.

To those who do encourage it, I say “Australia has always been a multi-cultural nation, love it or leave it”. Weakness is not a virtue, being a racist does not make you more Australian, in fact, quite the opposite.

There is however one part of this debate that seems to have gone overboard and off the rails a bit. It centre’s around some of the extreme views being vented by some individuals who seem to believe they are representing our indigenous communities.

Just because somebody is born here, is white, and does not spend their entire life apologizing to the indigenous community, does not make them a racist. With this in mind some of the more outspoken activists out there need to take a step back, we all know that you mean well, but think before you speak. Abusing people to gain respect is not unlike fighting for peace, or fucking for virginity, it is a wee bit futile. Apologies for the language, but I wanted to emphasise the point…

I’m not going to mention any names here, but I think we will have all seen them… On TV, Facebook, Twitter, in chat rooms etc… I usually commend what they are trying to achieve, it is just sometimes the method…..

Nobody has a say in where they are born, or what color they are born, so we need to show some restraint. I mean, if I had been given a choice it would have nice to have been born in the Bahamas’ with Bill and Melinda Gates as my parents, but hey……

I know a lot of people who don’t know much about Aboriginal culture, and celebrate Australia Day not to celebrate any invasion, but because they love where they live. Again, this does not make them racist.

I think most of us agree that more needs to be done to ensure that the indigenous communities are given assistance where needed, and supported in their decisions of how they would like to see their communities run. I am all for the hand up, rather than the hand out approach. However people need to understand that abusing someone or calling them a racist, just because they have not followed the events, or do not understand the issue, is not going to win someone over and make them agree with you. Using that line of thought and logic is like saying we are all born racist and as we grow up we learn not to be. Utter Crap.

Racism is more about lack of respect than anything else.

If somebody is not politically active, and does not fight for indigenous rights, but instead offers respect and some understanding, then I for one am happy with that. I think that if more people showed respect for each other, regardless of race, we would be back on the path to being the friendly country we fondly remember.

That would truly make us the Lucky Country.

139 comments on “Hey True Blue…

  1. Indonesia a monoculture?.. a nation of over 300 different ethnic groups, a country where a national language (Bahsa Indonesian) had to be proclaimed so that one Indonesian would be able to converse with another.

  2. Wixxy, interesting you tackled the issue of radicals proporting to represent ‘all Aboriginals’. But perhaps this is needed given the decades where conciliation has brought few results. I am thinking of the civil rights movement and Malcolm X.

  3. Absolutely, no soubt their actions are needed, it is more the method of some of them…. many try to make people feel like they should feel guilty for being white and living here…
    I’d like to see the action, minus the intolerance I guess, as I think this intolerance just gives racists like Bolt more ammo…

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  7. “Absolutely, no doubt their actions are needed, it is more the method of some of them…. many try to make people feel like they should feel guilty for being white and living here…”

    Totally agree wixxy.

    Myself being called a F**king White C**t on an oh so regular basis, when relieving in many a country NSW town, and for absolutely no reason other than to be walking down the street, does nothing to garner support for an issue.

    I abhorr racsim, but I abhorr it from every race including our own indigenous people.

    The thing I hate the most is the insinuation, as though only white anglo saxons are racist and should be vilified, for having the audacity of being born with white skin.

    The chinese in my own home town were welcomed and supported as part of the community for many decades. Yet when their eldest son had the audacity to marry a white woman he was ostracised and disowned from the family and their fortune made running the local supermarket. That shocked the whole town. Now that is ingrained racism.

  8. Shane I agree completely. I went out with a Greek chap one time, could easily have married him. The story is that there were 3 brothers who emigrated, the families bought a fish and chip shop, worked hard and bought houses. The families all chipped in to send the son who showed the most potential to uni.

    Which is how I met Orestes, he was a final year med student and I used to go to Melbourne uni to study. After a while when things started to look serious, the families put pressure on Orestes, the reason being that when Orestes started earning big money that it was his duty to support others of the family. The family knew that this would be unacceptable to an Australian wife.

    I think that the above points not to prejudice per se but to differing cultures.

  9. I blame the media. :mrgreen:

    Seriously, looking at the case of the Indigenous Australians, the media and politics – I really do blame the media.

    Press coverage helps ensure that areas of public policy are kept well and truly on the political agenda, for without it it would be very difficult for Aboriginal interests to achieve anything of importance.

    Perhaps the best example – though not a recent one – has been the manner in which the recommendations of the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody disappeared from sight once the report became public. Such a lack of sustained coverage makes it easier for governments to ignore many matters of short-term notoriety. The desire for a story often override considerations of accuracy or fairness. Drunkenness, rioting and poor living conditions are given more attention than the stories that could show Aborigines playing a positive role in the general community.

  10. Is it any wonder that we’re such a racist country when over the last decade we have had some many influential people in this country who are openly racist? Howard and Jones come to mind. They have invited racism.

  11. Im Aboriginal, and yes we can be blunt sometimes, our problem is aussie understanding stops there, ever wonder why we are bitter?, we are reactionary so what causes those reactions, we dont do it for fun, we see racism as weakness also and I would never stoop that low, I love all the different cultures here and couldnt imagine a mono cultural society based on capitalism, it would be hell for Aboriginal people. But what I do know is if I was going to a new country I would learn the history. I would, as you say experience aboriginal people and culture before forming an opinion, which goes hand in hand with knowledge of our history to gain an informed opinion. Racism in Australia from my side is real and constant, Aboriginal culture is beautiful, based on love and respect, its easy to see when your an open person, what the media are doing is immoral, 99% negative and 1% positive, from our view point there is so much the majority of Australians need to do on there part in educating and fighting racism before our 2% population gain the freedom to control our life direction, and combat the stigma created by very longs periods of time of bad media portrail and constant public resistance to equality, we cant live peacful lives until australia educate themself, who knows the name of the tribe who owned and cared for the land they now live on for over 60,000 years? To many dont know, why focus on 5% of aboriginal people in the desert when most live near you? Basic respect has never been shown which goes againts our belief system, be honest, our freedom and ability to go forward is in 98% of Australias hands, we thought australia was learning but it seems ignorance is becoming an aussie virtue, all cultures are welcome h

  12. Sam, how true and I for one hadn’t thought it that way..if it is not multiculturalism that the alternative is a mono culture.

    That is an excellent example “who knows the name of the tribe who owned and cared for the land they now live on for over 60,000 years?” Only one person here, and that is Miglo.

    I know a little, when I lived at Billinudgel, it was the Bundjalung and here on the Tweed it is also Bundjalung, but also Minjungbul and Goori. They are salt water people mostly.

  13. Hello Sam. Well said. Aboriginal culture is one of the oldest and most beautiful in the world yet how many Australians know about it, let alone respect it. We need to educate people. Knowing is to understand.

  14. In my area there are signs on the highway that say “You are now entering Wiradjari country”. I don’t know of this initiative anywhere else. I welcome it.

  15. I live in Ngunnawal country. I get pissed off that people pronounce it Nunnawal. Aborigines didn’t have a silent ‘g’ in their language, so why on erath would it be pronounced Nunnawal?

    I know how to pronounce it. 😛

  16. Imagine you’re saying the word ‘sing’. Take off the ‘si’ and start Ngunnawal with the ‘ng’. It takes some practice. 😦

  17. One for you Migs. How should Minjungbal be pronounced? Most people around here..of the white variety seem to pronounce it Min-ju-bul.

  18. I’m always a bit wary when Australia Day rolls around again. It usually starts with the odd status update on Facebook of the ‘fuck off we’re full’ sticker brigade. Sometimes I make an effort and engage in debate. Only once has it ever ended badly, necessitating the removal of a friend who I was genuinely surprised to learn had a very deep seated hatred of Aboriginal people. I had gone to high school with him, and was really quite shocked. He openly admitted that I was a good person, had never caused him harm or hurt, but even after 6 years of schooling he couldn’t separate the person he had come to know from ‘Abos in general’, something he didn’t verbalise until his late 30’s.

    One of the local Aboriginal groups (Bunurong) has organised a ‘Survival Day’ gathering for the 26th. I won’t be attending that. I’m not a fan of the angst ridden activists who stand on a platform making demands that they have no place asking. I don’t want to politicise my children, but educate them instead.

  19. I don’t know about that one, Min, but it’s safe to assume that when spoken traditionally the ng would have been there, however faint.

  20. BST, that is an excellent attitude. Anger against the racist brigade does nothing except to give them ‘evidence’ of their opinion of Aboriginal people.

    Thank you Migs..I’ll work on it. 🙂

  21. From news.com:

    DRIVERS who fly Australian flags on their cars to celebrate Australia Day are “more racist” than people who do not, according to research from UWA.

    University of Western Australia sociologist and anthropologist Professor Farida Fozdar and a team of assistants surveyed 513 people at the Australia Day fireworks on Perth’s Swan River foreshore last year to find out whether there was a link between car flag flying and racist attitudes, Perth Now reports.

    Professor Fozdar said the team found that of the 102 people surveyed on the day who had attached flags to their cars for the national holiday, 43 per cent agreed with the statement that the now-abandoned “White Australia Policy” had “saved Australia from many problems experienced by other countries”.


    The last sentence was a bit rich, I thought.

  22. I read the other day that Australia is suffering from Labor spin, leading to us losing our freedoms.

    When I asked why, the reply that if I had to ask, that proved I was taken in by the spin.

    When I asked what, this bought the answer, that this spin stopped him from flying the Australia flag, among many other similar things and attacks on the PM.

    I gave up after that.

    I have always suspect ill of those who wrap themselves in a flag.

    Whether this is an uereasonable concept, I care not.

  23. I’m with you on that one, Roswell. I don’t swell with patriotic pride on Australia Day like I do over ANZAC. Maybe it’s because my father, my uncles and my grandfather served their country, and it’s them I feel proud of.

  24. I agree Migs and Roswell, ANZAC Day is the day I think not only of my dad but of the Aussie spirit which does not include draping oneself in the flag while skulling tinnies and abusing anyone who remotely appears to be of an ethnic origin other than pure white.

  25. Min, well now they do include the Irish and Catholics.

    They were shunned, along with other races up to the middle of last century.

  26. Pause for thought on Australian Day.

    Nation’s day a chance to shine a light into our darkness

    There is a darkness in our history and only when we can shine the light in and on to it will we pick up a vision.

    It may be that the light would show up the faces of the refugees, asylum seekers, and show us the depth of their anxiety and anguish.

    We might even see that they are actually humans, not detritus.

    Were we to open our arms and hearts to these storm-tossed voyagers, we would feel so much better, happier and fulfilled. Meanness and narrowness would vanish.

    In the meantime, it must be acknowledged ”the light on the hill” has been extinguished by continuing acts of betrayal.

  27. Gillard welcomes Australia’s newest citizens

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard has welcomed 27 new Australian citizens at a citizenship ceremony in Canberra.

    Ms Gillard was joined by Governor-General Quentin Bryce, cricketer Adam Gilchrist, and Australian of the Year Geoffrey Rush to welcome Australia’s newest citizens.

    Ms Gillard welcomed the new Australians and reflected on what the day meant to her. She also spoke of the significant role immigrants have played in the nation.

    “It is modern Australia’s greatest story – the story of inclusion and belonging which is immigration,” she said.

  28. Rush to shine arts light on social issues

    “The one hat I don’t want to wear immediately is the dunce’s cap that says suddenly because I’m Australian of the Year, I have the licence to pontificate on everything and anything,” he said.

    “As an example, in terms of immigration policy and in terms of the dilemmas with boat people etc, from my perspective, I put a call out to the writers of Australia – we hear the how and the where and the what, and we sense the political footballing that goes on … I don’t find anything that tells us about the why.

    “I want to see the stories of why are these people wanting to come here at great peril to their lives, with such extraordinary bravery, and we’re not finding that human scale in the story and I think it’d be good if we did that because I think people would discuss the arguments with less overly emotive responses to [the] primal knee-jerk reactions.

  29. Crocodile Islands elder Senior Australian of Year


    Aboriginal senior elder Laurie Baymarrwangga has been honoured as the Senior Australian of the Year for preserving the culture and environment of East Arnhem Land.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced the Territory recipient at this years Australian of the Year Awards in Canberra.

    Ms Baymarrwangga is an Aboriginal elder from the Crocodile Islands.

    She has been honoured for showing an extraordinary commitment to maintaining her culture and the environment.

  30. Mr. Abbott word’s of wisdom that interrupted the PM Citizenship ceremony, is that it time to move on from the Tent Embassy.

  31. It s Australa Day and I did not wish to criticise it. Mr.Abbott’s announcement has led me to change my mind.

    Succeeding waves of settlers are oblivious to the original takeover; don’t want to know about it. It is only the resilience and the strength, the honesty and the earth-strength of the Aboriginal people that has enabled them to survive, notwithstanding every conceivable peril placed in their paths by the whites who rely on a specious superiority.

    There is a darkness in our history and only when we can shine the light in and on to it will we pick up a vision.

    It may be that the light would show up the faces of the refugees, asylum seekers, and show us the depth of their anxiety and anguish.

    We might even see that they are actually humans, not detritus.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/nations-day-a-chance-to-shine-a-light-into-our-darkness-20120125-1qhn4.html#ixzz1kWsXoWTZ

  32. Cu, I very much doubt that a majority of indigenous people believe that they are held in high esteem by the white community.

    Tony Abbott’s statement will be seen as glossing over the extremely oppressive conditions face by indigenous communities.

    Does Tony Abbott think that a situation where few indigenous people even finish high school much less go on to further education, is good enough. Does Tony Abbott believe that the gap between life expectancy rates white/black is good enough.

    Wasn’t it the Liberals who argued that there should not be a Welcome to Country?

  33. I agree. I also believe this is not the day to raise the matter.

    I have read three different comments that Mr. Abbott has made today.

    They are all divisive and political.

    and I must add, nasty.

    I might have missed it, but there has been nothing positive out of th man.

    I also noticed he is back on the beach.

    A good life this opposition leader has.

  34. I will let the comment talk for itself. The Aboriginals are seeking sovereignty, not mention in the Constitution. They are seeking to be acknowledge as the originals owners. As they were, it should not be much to ask.

    Demonstrations like the one of 1500 people today in Canberra marking the 40th anniversary of the Tent Embassy and with lively chants for land rights can bring the issue back into sight and change government approaches. (I will report back later today on this site on the demo.)

    Aborigines have never ceded sovereignty to the colonial invaders. There must be a treaty recognising prior ownership and all the legal, social and financial responsibilities that flow from that. Just as importantly there has to be aboriginal management of aboriginal affairs.

    None of this will be won by petitions, or electing aboriginal people to Parliament, or relying on Labor. As the Arab Spring shows, only struggle from below offers the chance of changing the world.


  35. The Aboriginals do not appear to agree with Mr. Abbott, in regard that the fight is over. They seem to be saying, it is just beginning.

    Australia Day perpetuates the country’s ‘founding’ racist myths and is part of the system that enslaves our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander brothers and sisters and as a consequence, all of us here. In the spirit of true reconciliation let’s abolish this celebration of genocide. Let’s instead celebrate the 65000 years of indigenous history and stewardship of this land. Recognise aboriginal sovereignty, negotiate a treaty and pay the rent. It is time to fight for justice.


  36. This is what happened after Mr. Abbott suggested that the Tent Emabassy should end.

    Not sure if the embassy crowd had heard what he said or not, but in any case they are very angry….

    Gillard and Abbott run protest gauntlet

    About 200 protesters trapped Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott in a Canberra restaurant before police arrived to clear a passage for the pair.

    The protesters, from the nearby Aboriginal tent embassy, banged on the three glass sides of The Lobby restaurant chanting “shame” and “racist”.

    Ms Gillard and Mr Abbott had just spoken at a ceremony for the inaugural national emergency medals.

    Tweets ranged from the PM being “tackled to the ground”, to “she tripped”

  37. Min, Abbott has many faces. There’s the one that visits Qld. mixing with the Indigenous people, and the other one was on display earlier today.

  38. It amuses me that Mr. Abbott was in Sydney Harbour this morning and later in Canberra.

    How much does this man’s unnecessary transport cost us,

    He could not have covered the distance by car in the time.

  39. Well he has achieved his aims of disrupting any positive publicity the PM might get. He has also spoilt the day for many.

    We now have Julie Bishop is on. ABC24. That is very unusual to see the lady with anything to do with her shadow folio,

    Busy telling NG what to do. She urges……..

    She is being interviewed as if she was FM.

    Now a lecture for Mr.. Rudd.

    She must lay the makeup on thick. She looks much older today.

    Are we sure that the two days of closed meetings the opposition had earlier this week were not with representatives of the ABC. That is sarcasm.

  40. Just heard something I agree with on ABC24. Australia has changed from being the most boring place in the 1950’s to a exciting and vibrant place it is now.

    This is due to migration.

    Agree 100%.

  41. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-26/riot-police-escort-gillard-abbott-from-protest/3795036

    Dozens of police have escorted Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott from a Canberra restaurant that had been surrounded by angry protesters from the nearby Aboriginal Tent Embassy.

    The Prime Minister stumbled as she was rushed to an awaiting vehicle and was helped up by aides and police who were confronted by the protesters.


    ‘Reconsider relevance’
    This morning Mr Abbott told reporters in Sydney that he thinks it is probably time to reconsider the relevance of the Tent Embassy.

    He says he can understand why the embassy was established but he thinks times have changed for the better since then.

    “I think the Indigenous people of Australia can be very proud of the respect in which they are held with every Australian,” he said.

    “Yes, I think a lot has changed and I think it’s probably time to move on from that.”

  42. He has managed to turn the day into a nasty situation.

    I imagine it will be portrayed as the anger being aimed at the PM.

    I am sure that Mr. Abbott will as usual take no responsibility.

  43. The one on Sky only shpws the PM, not Mr. Abbott in the background.

    This and the ramming of a MP’s office and home in Queensland is pointing to nasty and dirty politics this year.

    It was nice to see the fear on the face of the man. The second picture is also worth putting up.

    Nothing on ABC 24 I see. Surely this would be something one breaks programming for.

  44. http://www.aapone.com.au/search.aspx?search=JULIA+GILLARD+AUSTRALIA+DAY+PROTEST%26%28IMPORTDATE%3E20120125%29

    Having a few moments reflection about this,

    1. Abbott makes provocative comment about Tent Embassy

    2 Later on same day, Abbott attends function near the Tent Embassy
    with the Prime Minister

    3 Why did he make the comment hours before said function, and what
    the hell did he think would happen.

    4 Did he deliberately set the scene

    5 Was his speech just another brain fart?

  45. http://www.smh.com.au/national/pm—dragged-away-after-being-trapped-by–protesters-20120126-1qj1c.html

    Another picture.

    Fairfax photographer Alex Ellinghausen, who took the pictures on this page, said that, contrary to the claims of Ms Gillard’s office that she merely “stumbled”, she was “dragged out” by her bodyguards.

    “The police were pulling her out and they were clearly a bit faster than her and along the way she lost a shoe and tumbled,” he said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/pm—dragged-away-after-being-trapped-by–protesters-20120126-1qj1c.html#ixzz1kXQnFTSy

  46. I believe our security people need some new training after this episode.

    The treatment of the PM is disgraceful.

    Is this the best 50 police can do?

  47. Maybe the PM needs new security men. I would definitely not feel safe wit the ones she has.

    Mr Abbott speech is being repeated. I am sure many see it in a different light now.

    Telling people how they should feel does not go down well, here or with our Indigenous people.

    The idiots could have given her time to take the high heels off. They put the PM risk.

    PS They should have sent Mr. Abbott out first.

  48. After the incident at the restaurant Mr Anderson spoke to the media, saying Mr Abbott’s comments were disrespectful and they wanted know if Mr Abbott was serious about removing the Tent Embassy.

    “He said the Aboriginal embassy had to go, we heard it on a radio broadcast. We thought no way, so we circled around the building,” he said.

    “You’ve got 1000 people here peacefully protesting and to make a statement about tearing down the embassy – it’s just madness on the part of Tony Abbott,” Mr Anderson said.

    “What he said amounts to inciting racial riots.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/pm—dragged-away-after-being-trapped-by–protesters-20120126-1qj1c.html#ixzz1kXUq9QgK

  49. We are a lovelly people.

    Former Test cricketer Rodney Hogg’s anti-Muslim slur on Twitter was “more than despicable, it’s the pits really”, the leader of an Islamic group said today.

    Hogg is embroiled in a racial controversy after an ill-advised attempt at humour on Australia Day.

    “Just put out my aussie flag for Australia Day but I wasn’t sure if it would offend Muslims…So I wrote “Allah is a shit” on it to make sure,” Hogg tweeted at midday today.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/hogg-tweets-australia-day-slur-to-muslims-20120126-1qix9.html#ixzz1kXVaLSus

  50. “In answer to the Opposition Leader’s comments an NSW Aboriginal Council member, Roy RC, told reporters “maybe Abbott is right and it is time for the tent embassy to go.”

    “And then it is time to erect a black Parliament with politicians we can choose, politicians who are going to have a say in our lives,” he said.

    Mr Gordon said further protests were planned for the rest of the week and that “we’re going to keep the fight going. We are standing up here and we are not going away.”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/pm—dragged-away-after-being-trapped-by–protesters-20120126-1qj1c.html#ixzz1kXZBrP00

  51. Roswell, my day has been relatively quiet. It’s a work day tomorrow so I thought I’d take things easy.

    I later caught up with my boss and he demanded that I take tomorrow off. I said no. Yes said I am. End of argument.

  52. I rented a movie through iTunes and just watched it on my iPad.

    Cowboys and Aliens.

    I want the two hours of my life back. They can keep the $5.99.

    It’s the wasted two hours that I’m bothered about.

  53. Ah Pip. Blame the Victim not the Aggressors. I’ve come to expect that from you Pip. There are many ways of showing dissent, disagreement, and disapproval of other people’s views without resorting to violence. But if violence has been a way of life, then thats the way it will continue.

  54. Jarl,
    if you shovel your way through the pile of crap loosely referred to as news, you will discover that there was no violence.

    Are you having a day off??

  55. So Miglo and Pip – TV cameramen, reporters, politicians, members of the public, and journalists were all lying and only you two saw the true events which unfolded at the Australia Day cermony. None so blind as those who don’t want to see – you are so blinded by your prejudices that you cannot see anything which may be unfavourable to your ill-begotten cause..

  56. It is of no doubt that people of the Tent Embassy will be portrayed in a bad light over this.

    Has anybody else seen the Tent Embassy? It’s tiny.

    The people involved in yesterday’s anger outburst were mainly made up of people who came from all over the place to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the embassy. The celebration had benn planned for months and as it was a public holiday yesterday there was always going to be a big turnout.

    Most of these people were just ordinary citizens there to show their support.

    We shouldn’t be too hasty in blaming the embassy occupants.

  57. Jarl, I haven’t even watched the news so I can safely ask, “What violence?”

    The answer you provide will be my first glimpse of whatever violence unfolded.

  58. Jar, until you desist from personally attacking the commenters here I won’t be replying to your comments.

    There is a noticeable difference between rowdiness and violence.

    The only action perceived to be violent was tapping on the glass windows, which caused the security detail to remove the PM and Abbott from the building.
    No-one was attacked.

  59. MULTICULTURAL MAYHEM – another round in the inter-racial conflicts”

    No Jarl, just some of the descendants of the original inhabitants in this country saying they are still been badly done by.

    Nothing to do with multiculturalism.

    Since the day the First Fleet landed, there have been more than one race in this country.

    All your twists and turns cannot change that fact.

    You are demanding that they become white, to overcome your dislike of other races.

    You are demanding they accept their fate.

    This will not and cannot happen.

    I have spent the last few hours going over the numerous clips, both raw and edited on the web.

    The only incident of real violence I noted was that of a policeman/security or whatever, leaving his line to punch into demonstrators. Quite violent punches they were.

    Yes, it was a very noisy demonstration of around 100 people. There did not seem to be anytime they got within reach of the PM. They did not appear to be organise in any way.

    Yes they were some clapping and punching on the glass. More I would say to make a noise than break it. The nearby police did not appear concerned. In fact the police at this stage looked very relaxed.

    Yes some did follow the car.

    The so called violence abated in minutes.

    As Miglo said, where was the violence.

    No we have the PM’s office being accused of notifying the embassy.

    Of course this would have to be true, as these 1000 or so people would not be listening to the news, either on the TV or radio.

    Many spent the morning being interviewed by various media outlets.

    Of course during the morning, they would not have been asked their reactions to Mr. Abbott’s remarks. Of course this could not have happened.

    The sad part is that some of these interviews were very good but now will be lost in the media beat up of demonizing these people.

    But of course it is dirty work by the PM that caused the problem.

    This demonstration when compared with the anti carbon taxes outside and inside the parliament, led by Md. Mirabella is mild.

    Yes, it should not happened.

    But it did, and the people involved say that they seen Mr. Abbott’s remarks as insulting.

    I am inclined to agree with them.

    There is a time that prudent leaders keep their traps shut.

    I am of the opinion that everyone involved yesterday over reacted.

    I think the fact that Mr. Abbott reacted with a smirk when the PM said it was time to pull together. It must have hurt him when he gad to enter the PM’s armoured car.

    For some one calm and collected, his mouth open and coat pull back over his shoulders gave lie to this.

    No Jarl, it has nothing to do with multiculturism. It has to do with a group of people, feeling and saying they are being badly done by.

  60. My neighbour was born in Germany in the mid 30s. She spent the first half of her life living in Germany, Austria and Italy. She married and moved to Canada before living in the USA. I don’t know when she settled in Australia.

    For the last couple of days she has had the Australian flag draped over her front gate.

    She certainly isn’t racist.

  61. That is certainly an important point. Many seem to express extremist views – if a person flies the Australian flag they are either bogans or anti-the flag, then they must be unpatriotic, latte lefties. Surely there must be a middle ground where it might be considered that people who do choose or choose not to fly the flag can be equally proud of being Australian.

    I personally am not a flag flier, but Australian music certainly does make the heart soar.

  62. Cu – no matter how you want to dress it up to look like some kind of an innocent prayer meeting, it was a howling threatening mob who I’m sure you would not wish to have faced if you had upset their feelings.

    And you’re still blaming the victim and Shooting the messenger.

  63. Still accusing, Jarl. “prayer meeting” 😆

    The “messenger” knew what he was saying and he knew he would be near the Tent Embassy later in the day.

    Join the dots.

  64. Pip: You’ve tried Blaming the victim; and Shooting the Messenger, and now its all a huge media conspiracy. Whats next – the howling mob felt frightened because Gillard and Abbott were threatening to throw buns and cakes at them. Face the realities.

  65. Pip: You may weant to watch the news today and tomorrow about the same Aborigine group storming the Federal Parliament and burning and spitting on our national flag. Please explain.

  66. Join the dots.

    Do you really believe that Tony Abbott manipulated the whole sequence?

    Astounding … conspiracy alive and well … Cafe Whispers alright …

    The Opposition Leader actually made a very reasonable reply to a perfectly acceptable question …

    Precious do as precious is …

  67. storming” – Even according to Ltd News, “ABORIGINAL Tent Embassy supporters… walked up to the house with a police escort from the old Parliament House building down the road.

    They then sat down on the forecourt outside the main doors and began clapping.”

    What is your agenda Jarl? – your languge is consistently inflamatory…

  68. TB Queensland,

    I’m not certain which ‘you’ you are referring to but there has never been a suggestion that Tony Abbott deliberately tried to disrupt Australia Day.

    As has been stated here, by Pip I believe, her theory was that it was just another one of Tony Abbott’s brain farts.

  69. I just noticed that, Roswell.

    Jarl, I certainly do not agree with disrepect shown to the Australian flag by burning it. I am not an Aboriginal, but I am certain that many people of that race are just as appalled by this behaviour.

    What I find objectionable is the minor hysteria from the right wingers, yet these same people seemed to find nothing wrong with burning an effigy of Julia Gillard.

  70. “November 16 2002 – John Howard has defended the right of people to burn the Australian flag, saying that while repugnant, it was a matter of free speech.”

    You mightn’t like what people protesting do to “our” flag (why TF has it got that other nation’s flag in the top left hand corner), but it’s a legitimate form of protest – get over it…

  71. Bacchus, how very true. I remember my English grandmother being quite snooty nosed about it, how could anyone insult The Monarch by burning a flag with the British ensign.

    My solution: get rid of the ensign. 😉

  72. Jarl,
    I did not say it was a media conspiracy, I simply point out the stupidity of Abbott making any comment about the Tent Embassy on a day when it was known there would be a gathering there.

    The media beat-up is a story on it’s own

    TB please, don’t you start. It was either a brain fart/or a deliberately incendiary
    comment both of which are part of Abbott’s style. Take your pick

    As it now happens apart from that, a staffer has resigned from PM Gillard’s department after making a phone call to ‘someone’ who then told another
    ‘someone’ at the Tent Embassy that Abbott would be at the other event.

    The crux of the story is the comment that Abbott made…

    Jarl. these are the dots
    1. the comment
    2. the protest.

    Liberal supporters, Menzies House, have now instigated a petition to close down the Tent Embassy

  73. Jarl, I am not dressing it up. I was just wondering what they thought the symbolism was.

    Personally, I am fifth generation Australian on all sides.

    The flag does nothing for me.

    Has not done so since I first started school and had to salute it every Monday morning.

    To me it is a piece of material with symbols that mean little to me.

    I also love my country and wish to be nowhere else. That love does not need a flag to be true.

    A flag is just something that identifies a country.. Ours does not do a good job of this.

  74. Cu, I had not thought of it in those terms before. That is so true, it’s not a matter of denying our colonial heritage, but acknowledging that Australia does need a flag which, as you say “identifies a country”.

  75. Min, I am really going to be in trouble with Jarl now.

    I do not believe that Mr. Abbott set out to get the results he got yesterday.

    I do believe he will do everything in his power to milk it.

    The quick reactions from Menzies House does make one wonder. They are coming across as too organised.

    What Mr. Abbott and his cohorts are not doing, that is helping to calm the situation.

    Stirring up race hatreds helps no one.

    Sadly the Liberal Party believes it helps them.

  76. How many people have been charged as a result of yesterday’s violent demonstration by warrior-like aborigines?

  77. Oh yes Pip & Cu, I can join up the dots and it was all plnned, By the Aboriginal mob and Gillard’s nedia adviser who informed them that Abbott was coming. So you’re right it was a conspiracy, you just got the conspirators wrong.

    Cu – you obviously have no knowledge of the Eurocentric history of flags in wartimes and in peacetimes. Bit sad really – you’ve missed out on a great deal of the European cultural heritage you claim.

    It signifies the emblem of a people whose interests and goals are in common i.e. a shared and common culture – by spitting on it and burning it, it was a clear act of contempt towards the people who gather behind that flag. Sorry you’re not one of us but it is now very clear what aboriginals think of the European culture, their history, traditions, and shared beliefs.

  78. Cu, I’m certain that Jarl will cope. 🙂

    Roswell, the answer being none. There is a Federal Police investigation but I should imagine that would be normal procedure when it involves the PM.

    It was just lucky that the event didn’t include President Obama..now that would have made the headlines!

  79. Roswell – “…warrior-like aborigines” – a nice turn of phrase you’ve introduced there Roswell. Now I wonder what would have happened if I’d said that???.

    Min – “..didn’t include President Obama..now that would have made the headlines!” – is that what you are your people are planning next?. I’m sure the FBI will be very interested.

  80. Jarl, you are working so hard to get a fight going Relax and you will feel better.

    I am very aware of the history of flags. That is why they mean little to me. That is how I feel. Sorry if it gets up your nose.

    I rather like that black and orange one better. At least it tells me a little about Australia.

    Jarl there is one thing you appear not to be able to spot, that is sarcasm and the sending of one up.

    If you used Roswell’s phrase, I believe you would have been congratulated.

    Why is the need to get a fight going.

    Yes, they were showing contempt for the flag. That was the aim of the exercise. Whether that contempt is warranted is another argument.

  81. Jarl, what are my people planning? Let me see, eldest is off to the Beach Hotel in Byron Bay tomorrow, son is still at sea for another 3 weeks and I believe that youngest is going to see some art house movie in Brisbane. I personally haven’t all that much planned, however I might wash my hair and take the dog to get her toenails clipped.

  82. Jarl take a Bex and have a lie down….please.

    Changing what I and others have written is a useless exercise which takes the shine off your dazzling array of facts..

  83. Min, I intend to get my son up in the roof to find that leak. I have done everything the roofing expert advised but sadly it is still there.

    I then hope that small strip of grass gets mowed. The one that takes longer to get the mower going than cutting the grass. With a bit of luck, I might even get a couple of bushes that have grown into small trees cut down. I have been promised this for months.

    I will then relax by reading Jarl’s contributions. That is always good for a laugh.

    I hope to finish off Miglo’s thesis which I am finding interesting. He does know something about the Aboriginal community.

    I wonder what Jarl is planning or is that a stupid question.

  84. This is an interesting fact, but not surprising.

    THE secret half-sister of mining heiress Gina Rinehart has told of her difficult early life, her relationship with her father Lang Hancock and her love for her nieces and nephew.

    Mrs Kickett, who is the spitting image of Mr Hancock, claims DNA tests proved she was his daughter. But she insists that wanting a connection with her father and his relatives is not about money


    Hancock’s illegitimate daughter – said she wants people to know about the generosity of her nephew John, 36, who affectionately calls her “Auntie Hilda”, and nieces Bianca, 33, Hope, 26, and Ginia, 25.
    While she would not comment on the family feud, Mrs Kickett said: “I just love them dearly, there’s nothing I wouldn’t do for them if I could – that includes Gina.



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