Struggle street

This morning’s Daily Telegraph produced a most disturbing story.

Under the headline of Carbon casualties – three million families will suffer it was revealed that the semi-destitute Samuelson family, on a mere ‘more than’ $150,000 per annum will be reduced to sending their three children to work as chimney-sweeps, or at least might have to send the kiddies off to do a paper round.

Said Mrs Samuelson: “When I look at bills I think what we pay now is more than enough…”

Mrs Samuelson clearly needs some helpful hints on how to cut down on expenses, as after all the carbon tax is going to cost her approximately $13.00pw. I am certain that we here are at the Café, being the frugal souls that we are might be able to come up with some suggestions for Mr and Mrs Samuelson:

  • sell 4 of their 6 computers
  • halve the number channels subscribed to on pay television
  • send the kiddies to (gasp) public schools
  • shop at St Vinnies
  • change to generic brand loo paper
  • seek out the latest supermarket bargains.

With the 12 cents saved on the price of a chicken, Mrs Samuelson would be able to purchase a few additional lettuce leaves and maybe half a carrot. 

Here is a budgeting tip from 1915.  This one reminds me of my mother ‘turning’ the collars on my father’s shirts.

Making Over Worn Nightgowns:

When a nightgown becomes worn at the neck and sleeves, cut the top off under the arms, sew on a band of beading, buy one yard of muslin, cut out neck and sleeves in one piece, sew under arm seams and join to the beading. The neck may be cut round or square and the result is a nightgown which will wear some time.

115 comments on “Struggle street

  1. my gooord how will they cope… they earn at least 100,000 more than I …. it’s just dreadful the impact… cutting back on a few paper coffee cups might help.. you know the ones purchased to hold the latte and less landfil win/win….
    ps… my grandson is worth more than $13 to me so i’ll gladly pay what is necessary… and thanks for the tip on the nightee lol

  2. Signe, perhaps instead of the latest gizmo the Mrs Samuelson’s of this world should go and buy a sewing machine. I’m sure that a good number of us remember those they sew, they make things.

  3. What the story shows is that one has to be on income above $150,000 to incur the slightest discomfort.

    Will they notice the $700 per year. I suspect not. I am not that sure I would even on the pension.

    I have had to cope with increases in insurance and power, higher than this.

    I seemed to have seen the picture before. It is an old story.

    Maybe the second car will have to go.

    Poor dear, she might have to get a job, just like the majorities of mothers.

    A beat up.

  4. Why didn’t they do the story on the median annual income of around $45,000. As this is where most Australians income is around. Then they would have a real story.

    No, instead they specifically chose an income level more than 3 times this and then claiming hardship. Honestly the Telegraph and its spiteful opinonists (as they are no longer journalists) need to grow up and see what happens to the majority, not the minority who conveniently fit into their hate campaign against the current government.

    Also those who think they are not rich ought to try and live on what the majority live on which is 1/3 of their income.

    $13 per week equates to $1.85 per day.

    Best tip to save. Stop buying News Limited Newspapers. I did.

  5. I just read this on the Telegraph’s site & posted;
    “I don’t believe the Australian public should pay for big business’s carbon emissions.” Better not vote for Tony & the Liberals then.
    I’ll go back in a while to see whether I got on.

  6. That poll driven article by the Daily Terrorgraph really pissed me off. Not so much for the article itself, but for the purpose of it. Remember, the latest opinion poll showed promising signs for the Government.

    They selected a typical McMansion family and all the woes they will incur because of another Labor levy. Exactly how many levies have Labor introduced in four years? I can think of the flood levy and now the carbon tax. How many levies did the Howard Government load on to us in 11 years? Something like 11 by memory.

    And why didn’t the story or why doesn’t the media publish stories highlighting how millions of people will be better off?

  7. Don’t but the kiddies their latte, the ones that are just frothy milk
    Make your own tofu
    Ask for a pre-committment card at the local club
    If you really want the good loo paper, limit sheets per person
    Empty the swimming pool
    Open a window, turn off the air conditioner
    Children to share 1 TV
    Pre- paid phones
    Find alternative entertainment for kiddies rather than the shopping mall

    But most important of all stop buying the Telegraph and reading how hard life is for you, losers.

  8. Best tip to save. Stop buying News Limited Newspapers. I did.

    It not only saves a few bob which Ms Samuelson can use to buy stale bread for the poor starving family, but it will cut down on blood pressure medication after reading the shite published in Ltd News rags!

    Tell the Tele to publish a story about how people on the dole payment of $480/fn manage. I might even stop yawning.

  9. Sue, on limiting sheets of loo paper per person 😯

    Maybe number all of the sheets from 1-190 OR color coding a different highlighter color for each member of the household. If you are green and there are no greens left on the roll, you may be in trouble.

  10. Don’t be silly Roswell, that would make the PM look good. We can’t have that.

    I am listening to the debate on plain packaging. Brandis then talks about the Greens banning fossil fuels and the PM great lie.

    What has fossil fuels have to do with tobacco and plain packaging.

    The bile still has not been spent. I wonder what it is like to hate so much.

    Pink batts, BER export live cattle. All has something to do with plain packaging , I just do not know what. Now its the North West shelf. Something about imposing tax. Yes that is connected to plain packaging.

    Investment in the energy and resources section.

    Now we are onto the former Rudd sins. The man is sick, sorry, he is sick with hate.

  11. I earn a good salary. The DT is welcome to interview me for some balance to their story. But maybe I don’t fit their agenda. I’m happy to pay the $12 a week. I’ll find things I can cut back on. No problem.

  12. On the subject of those who are truly deserving..

    ABOUT 150,000 low-paid workers – mostly women – could get an average pay rise of $12,000 a year under a historic pay rise push backed today by Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

    Ms Gillard announced the Government was prepared to spend a massive $2 billion over six years to deliver higher wages if it was approved by the industrial umpire, Fair Work Australia.

    She called on the states to match the pledge.

    Ms Gillard said the pay rise would go to under-paid social and community sector workers such as those working in disability, homeless and domestic violence areas.

  13. Roswell

    You are obviously are not a whinger with a capital W.

    But how about this for a laugh, the new boss after telling them how poor they all are, now has the task to convince the same tossers to pay for online content.

  14. Min @ 1,02

    Just another thing poor Joe will have to factor in to his savings unless he can get a NOoooooo from Tony in the UK. Can you imagine poor old Tony and Johnnie at the conservative love fest looking at the PM committing to increasing the pay for Social Workers.

  15. CU @ 12.50
    Some memories on Brandis
    “A Liberal senator and member of the committee that first investigated the children overboard affair, George Brandis, called the Prime Minister, John Howard, a “lying rodent”, a former Liberal Party official has alleged

    In the tightly disciplined world of John Howard’s modern-day Liberal Party, a traitor – or rat, in the traditional political parlance – is very rare indeed. A rat outing his leader as a lying rodent is more extraordinary still.”

  16. Sue @1.04pm..the irony of it all. The DT runs a story about how those on $150+pw should feel hard done by..meanwhile back at the ranch those on a fraction of the money just get about their business.

  17. Roswell, wust a widdle wubblewoo…

    Are you sure that you’re not the bloke with the set of highlighters numbering all the sheets of loo paper from 1-190 😉

  18. No wonder these poor fellas screech and complain about what the carbon pricing will do to them…

    2UE shock jock salaries leaked

    The shock jocks at 2UE are struggling in the ratings, but they’re still taking home enviable salaries of $200,000-plus, according to a leaked document.

    As reported in The Daily Telegraph, a PDF that shouldn’t have got out has revealed that Breakfast host Jason Morrison receives a salary of $440,000, afternoon presenter Paul Murray is on $250,000 and morning show host Oldfield $200,000.

    But even these impressive figures are no match for their rivals at 2GB – Alan Jones, for example, is paid a whopping $4 million a year, and Ray Hadley $2 million.

  19. A second industrial revolution is very high minded and sounds great.

    Too bad about the looming world recession.

  20. El gordo, yes indeed. During times of recession this is where leftist and indeed Socialist governments have come into their own via their support of the working classes.

    The alternative being the situation which you now have in the US with the ultra wealthy and famous with their latest Paris fashions, their Fendi Selleria handbags while tens of thousands sleep it rough in the streets.

  21. I have to agree with el gordo (on this rare occasion). Another GFC looms. Bigger and nastier than the last one. But I think Australia will handle it, but only it the same manner it handled the last one, which is by stimulating the economy by spending money.

    The irony is that I have to find a way of saving $12 a week. 🙂

  22. Roswell,

    this is not good news…

    Italy drama spurs fears of euro break-up

    Political and economic crisis in Italy has spurred fears of a split in the euro zone, with borrowing costs for Europe’s third biggest economy near unsustainable levels and the bloc unable to afford a bailout.

    The escalating crisis prompted European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso to issue a stern warning of the dangers of splitting the zone. EU sources told Reuters French and German officials had held discussions on just such a move.

    Just heard Senator MacDonald withdraw his remark that Senator Conroy is a ‘dunderhead’, and in the background, a very strange laugh from Sen. Erica Betz….
    I withdraw my remark… i meant to say ‘Eric’.

  23. Italy can only be saved by China, the dictatorship of the proletariat will introduce five year plans.

    And there is no troof in the rumour that they intend taking art works as security.

    Wonder what the Italian and Greek communists think of all this?

  24. Tweet

    BrigadierSlog Brigadier Slog

    Record no. Aussies in work, low unemployment, low interest rates, great trade figures…
    Bang up job this Lib Gov is doing, oh wait!

  25. The Tele chose that family because they needed someone earning over the cut-off limit for carbon price compensation. I bet they had to look pretty hard to find someone who would whine about doing it tough on over $150,000.

    Mrs Samuelson could fix her financial problems by doing what sole parents are told to do – getting a job.

  26. Leone, I was on the cusp of mentioning that too. The best that the Daily Tele can do is to find a household in the $150g+ income bracket to ‘prove’ how the carbon tax is going to hurt, whereas “Low and middle-income families and singles pensioners and other welfare recipients are the biggest winners from the carbon price”.

    Sorry, but the ‘losers’ on such an incredibly high income will just have to suck it re finding that extra lousy $13.00pw. Perhaps they might like to reduce their carbon footprint by turning off the air-con when they’re not in the room, by actually thinking about what they’re doing re energy use instead of taking it all for granted.

  27. So now I’ve got to find an extra dollar. I thought it was $12 a week I had to trim but Min now says it’s $13.

    That’s intolerable! That will push me over the edge!

    I demand an election.

  28. Hmmm….we can’t complain, they are doing it tuff in the ol’ dart.

    ‘Pensioners who are comfortably off are being urged to donate their winter fuel payment – worth up to £300 – to those at risk of dying from the cold.

    ‘All pensioners receive the annual payment from the Government to go towards their heating bills, regardless of their wealth or need.’

    Read more:

  29. ‘All pensioners receive the annual payment from the Government to go towards their heating bills, regardless of their wealth or need.’

    More unnecessary middle class and rich welfare.

    Payments like this should only be made to those in need, they could save a few million pounds there and still keep a few public servants on the payroll, Priorities all wrong, the whole lot of them.

  30. I am too lazy to work it out but what percentage is $700 of after tax salary of $150,000.

    What percentage of their take home weekly salary will the be paying.

  31. Good grief..what’s the whinge..Pensioners who are comfortably off are being urged to donate their winter fuel payment – worth up to £300 – to those at risk of dying from the cold.

    Might I suggest that people who are pensioners should not be made to do a guilt trip over those ‘at risk of dying from the cold’.

    Sounds to me to be ‘one of those’ where those on the breadline are encouraged to fork out what little they have to those more needy. Meanwhile, the wealthy live in their houses with all surround sound, whinge about how difficult it is to buy online, and how the salad bar at the country club now has only 15 different types of salad instead of 20.

  32. ,

    Pink batts, BER export live cattle. All has something to do with plain packaging , I just do not know what.

    Neither does f*ckn Brandis, CU. Another florid faced Liars Party loser who probably had one too many at the bar lunchtime.

  33. Jane, this time Brandis was not screaming. He was coolly reading from a prepared document.

    He had McDonald line up to back him up.

    I might have made a mistake and they had moved on from Plain Packaging to a maritime bill, which also was not mentioned during the speech.

    This Opposition cannot accept at any time that they have lost. They are continuing as if the vote has not been taken.

    They seem to be residing in a parallel universe, that is outside the world we live in.

  34. Cu, the electorate are still sleep walking. Abbott thinks they’ll snap out of it at any moment and storm the Bastille.

  35. CU

    poor diddams, coalition senators. it is only since july that they have been in the minority. they have had power for so long that it will take time for adjustment. and there is the realisation that it could be 6 years, 6 very long years at least as the party of no consequence.

  36. cu

    just think of all the grief the senate dished out to the rudd govt. didn’t the coalition gloat over their power, but basically now they are irrelevant unless they try and negotiate changes.

  37. Sue, I listened to Fierrevante Wells um um um um and she was still accusing Nicola Roxon of accepting donations from Philip Morris.

    Senator Jan MacLucas refuted her accusations …again.

    Coalition senators have been even more unhinged this week than usual, and you’re right, they’ve realised that they have no chance of controlling a thing for quite a few years yet 😀

  38. Roswell, I believe they are waking up, much to Mr. Abbott’s distress.

    They have been deaf to both sides.

    They went to sleep about the time that the PM was accused of stabbing Rudd and the great big lie.

    I am sure when they awake fully, the hatred of the PM will abate. They then will see Mr. Abbott as he is. Up to now they have ignored him.

    It has been anything but the PM.

    ]It has not been PM v Abbott.

    When the lie disappears, Mr. Abbott has a problem. He has nothing, except as being seen as a liar himself.

    One should never make threats that they cannot keep.

  39. CU,
    the ‘lie’ has been mentioned so many times up till today.
    It’s been a very handy bat to whack the government with, and it’s just a pity
    for the Coalition that the PM’s speech before the election is still on her website, as well as the article in The Australian, by Paul Kelly and Dennis Shanahan, reporting PM Gillard’s plans for a carbon price and ETS…..all before the last election.

  40. The PM is on a roll. She will take some stopping now. The PM has mastered the 24 hour opinion cycled by flooding it with something new, and something achieved nearly every day.

    The PM has done this without the under dog syndrome kicking in.

    The PM has shown her guts.

    The Opposition behaviour this week sickens most. Whinging, bad losers do not go down good in out society. It surprises me that Abbott has got away for so long with the “we were robbed”

  41. Abbott got away with his nonsense because the news corporations allowed it.

    Shame on the lot of them.

    Things have changed since Abbott back flipped over the increase to superannuation, which are meant to come from the Mining Tax which he has promised to abolish.

    His promise/threat to scrap the Carbon Pricing has caused this:-

    Abbott’s carbon view ‘fostering uncertainty’

    The cost of his promises is now in the billions and I’d bet he hasn’t yet got a clue how he will pay for any of them.

    My guess is that the Liberals and their corporate mates aren’t at all pleased with him.
    He failed to oust the government and he has nothing else going for him.

  42. Cu, what a headline…

    At long last, Julia Gillard is marching to the beat of her own drum

    But politically, it was the Prime Minister again on the offensive and on safe ground, advocating the fairness of her industrial legislation and her own commitment to equal pay for women and the values she claims for the Labor Party.

    In fact she’s been on the offensive for most of the time since the Qantas dispute, with the trip to the G20, the government gaining ground in the debate over the mining tax, the passage of carbon pricing bills, the opinion polls inching up and and both interest rates and unemployment heading down. Next week President Barack Obama is on his way.

    And increasingly Tony Abbott is being questioned about whether his promises of mining and carbon tax repeal are ones he can afford to keep.

    There are still plenty of problems for the government – its asylum seeker non-policy and the impact of the global uncertainty on the budget to name just two – and Labor’s polling is still dire.

    If she continues this way into the new year Julia Gillard might just find her political stride for the first time since she became leader and this might just start looking like a Labor government.

  43. It is unusual to have a PM that does not want or need to be centre stage all the time.

    I believe that business is happy with what the PM has done. They know the live and deal in a world that will have some type of price on carbon.

    I wonder how the round of mining advertisements starting now will go. I think that Twiggy has not been helpful.

    I believe that many are waking up to the damage that Mr. Abbott has caused by talking down the economy. Confidence is growing. People did not stop buying because of lack of money, they saved instead. Therefore they have the money to spend.

    Unemployment and inflation is steady.

    We have the PM going overseas again. We have the Durban meeting where we have a message to sell on climate change.

  44. The Prime Minister is doing her job, while Tony will be on his bike ready for another photo op when he returns…is he back yet by the way?

  45. Have not heard anything of him. Was supposed to be away four days.

    Howard’s show was Thursday.

    So I suppose it will be in the next day or two.

    I cannot help but suspect he did go a day early, so it might be five days.

  46. It seems that Abbott might be still in London, at least this is where this story comes from:

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has warned against Australia falling into the same trap as the debt-ravaged European nations.

    As the focus of concern in the eurozone debt crisis shifted from Greece to Italy this week, Mr Abbott said Australia had to be careful not to adopt the same dangerous habits of overspending.

    He told a small gathering at a thinktank in central London on Thursday evening that Australia had to be prepared for the end of the resources boom fuelled by mineral-hungry China.

  47. Patricia, if you cannot overthrow a government and nobody cares a flying fl*ck about Abbott’s bleats for a new election, next best option is to try to undermine.

  48. El gordo re: el gordo permalink
    November 11, 2011 12:19 pm
    I could pop into the cafe and invite some of ‘that lot’ over for a party.

    Just try it dear, you’ve been skating on thin ice for quite some time time. Try it on one more time and you’re gone.

  49. Am I to assume that el gordo is one of those people who likes to create the friction that was recently discussed?

  50. Back to the Telegraph article, I’ve been wondering if it might have gained more traction if it was about a family the public recognized as genuinely struggling. A family, say, where both parents had poor incomes and were burdened with child care costs. Ones that were caught in the rental trap and couldn’t scratch together the deposit for a house.

  51. There is a very interesting article written by Matthew Moore at:–corby-is-guilty-says-publisher-20111109-1n6fw.html

    This article by Matthew Moore reads:

    Schapelle Corby’s insistence she knew nothing about the bag of marijuana found in her boogie board bag has been dealt another major blow with a new book detailing where the marijuana came from, how it got into her bag and her father’s 30-year history of drug dealing.

    Sins of the Father by Sun-Herald journalist Eamonn Duff adds myriad details to the circumstances surrounding one of Australia’s most polarising criminal cases since Lindy Chamberlain’s conviction.

    And also from Matthew Moore:

    Duff says that it was Mick Corby who packed the drugs into his daughter’s boogie board bag and that the operation was rushed because the courier delivering the drugs was late arriving from South Australia.

  52. ‘…ikes to create the friction that was recently discussed?’

    Ah…no, TB has gone AWOL and we are looking for a talented Yorkshireman to replace him.

    Must have a sense of humour.

  53. El gordo, don’t you worry about TB…we know exactly where he is. We’re all ex-Tim Dunlop’s Blogocracy. TB and the Minister live just up the road from me.

  54. I was born on struggle street,
    Always hungry, chilblained feet.
    Three quarters of a century
    Have passed, but still that penury
    Has left its mark on me.

    Now I’m prosperous, well fed,
    Grateful for my warm dry bed,
    Whatever in the news I’ve read
    Or TV commentatators said,
    I’ll vote Labor till I’m dead!

  55. Now my memory might be faulty, but back in the dark ages, was it not considered wrong to criticise your PM or government while overseas.

    I believe there was good reasons for this convention.

    It was seen as being disloyal and undermining your own country.

    The world stage is not the place to play local politics.

    The world stage is where loyal Australia should be shouting one’s praise of the country to anyone that listens.

    Th Opposition leaser cannot undermine th PM overseas without harming the country.

    Not that is undermining the country, talking down the economy and confidence has ever worried this man.

    He cares not for the country or for it’s people.

    All he cares for is his own desires,

    Mr. Abbott’s duty overseas is to talk up the country, not tell all and sundry that in his opinion it is run by hicks and fools.

    Mr. Abbott does not recognise that there is a time and place for everything.

  56. Is it just me, or does el gordo appear to be a reincarnation of the landscaper?

    I mean fancy bringing the well respected TB into the argument. And no, it wasn’t funny eg!

    Attention seeker….craving an audience.

  57. TB is an outstanding wit and I miss it.

    ‘Attention seeker….craving an audience.’

    That’s a fairly accurate assessment.

  58. Faiir enough eg but why not say that in the first place!

    “That a fairly accurate assessment” No, it’s an accurate assessment.

  59. Ignore her handrab – she’s just out to create mischief between the blogs. That will do no-one any good…

  60. Never heard of the landscaper.

    el gordo not talking about the weather, that is one for the books.

    Yes, el gordo, there is much fiction, especially when one talks about the weather and debt.

    I do not know about friction, we all seem to get on extremely well.

    Yes we love to discuss more serious issues but I challenge your allegations that many do not have wit.

    el gordo, I also notice that you appear to enjoy your visits.

  61. Apart from it being Patricia’s birthday, it is of course also Armistice Day. This one is for my Dad, a WW2 conscript who served at Milne Bay who never spoke about the war.

  62. Min,
    I agree they’re not one, but the style is reminiscent of scapers ‘obtuse’ (is that the right word?) way of talking.

    Bacchus, you’re right..

  63. Even better this one, Min.

    My grandfather was in WW1. Had to ‘battle’ to get in the army, being around your height. And he was a naughty boy with many visits to the hospital for STD!

  64. one is around my height 🙂 I’ll tell you a story about an Italian immigrant by the name of Augusto Domenico Coloretti, from the La Spezia region near Genoa. Vignerons, they set up the first vineyards at Heathcote Victoria. When WW2 came about Augusto was not a naturalised citizen and so he borrowed his cousin’s papers in order to enlist. He served with distinction and was a Rat of Tobruk, rising to the rank of Sergeant. He was later sequestered to look after the Italian POWs at Cowra. However, the fact remains that Grandpa Col never did quite get around to becoming an Australian citizen and so is the one and only Rat of Tobruk, Italiano. Ti voglio bene nonno!!

  65. Min, trust me when I knew my grandfather he would have been shorter than you!
    His enlistment paper said 5’1″ but I reckon he was standing on his toes.

    He was also a very skilled bricklayer….and a pisspot!

    It is amazing the lengths people went to to enlist…bravo to grandpa col.

  66. My dad was short but I reckon that helped him in the war. Too small a target. I don’t have that problem. They’d snipe me first. 😦

  67. My grandfather was in the Middle East during WW1. After the war he took a farm near Pinaroo under the soldiers settlers program. That’s all I know about him.

  68. Roswell, but you have long legs which means that you can jump really really high which is also an asset on the battlefield.

    I’m a family historian, have you done a search for your grandpa via the National Archives. The National Archives are brilliant and the staff there are dedicated beyond belief. I’ve never been to Pinnaroo but have certainly been to Ouyen, lots of cousins there. But then I have lots of cousins everywhere 🙂

  69. I wondered how you knew about my legs but then I remembered saying I was leggy the other day. You don’t miss a trick.

  70. My dad was completely against war, a pacifist before the word was even invented. He was called up WW2 as a conscript and served at Milne Bay, but they had to catch him first and he took off to the wilds of Box Hill. The only thing that dad ever said about the war is how the Australian soldiers at Milne Bay used to do midnight raids on the US army camps to steal their coffee and chocolate, Australian soldiers being on short rationns of bully beef and tea and not much else. Dad was repat’d out of Milne Bay with malaria. He wasn’t supposed to live, but he did until the wretched prostate cancer took him age 89yrs.

  71. ‘el gordo not talking about the weather, that is one for the books.’

    I’m trying to break the habit, thanx for your concern. The good news is that I’ve developed a real interest in UFO.

  72. If Keating had have won the 1996 election and increased compulsory super from 9% to 15% as promised, I’d have an extra $50K in my super today and that doesn’t include accumulated interest.

    I voted for Howard in 1996. I gave no thought to the ramifications his victory would have on millions of Australians later in life. Or for the wealth invested in the country.

    Epic fail.

  73. A complete different attitude than that of the Samuelson family comes from the Thurn/Matthews household.

    Tim Thurn and Robyn Matthews, of Annandale, are unperturbed by the $17.90 a week increase to the cost of living estimated for a high-income family earning about $300,000 year. ”It’s a cup of coffee a day”, Mr Thurn, a director of professional services for an optical company, said.

    ”The compensation is for people who really need it as opposed to people like us who don’t.”

    The couple, who have three children from previous relationships, have already made energy-efficient changes so the tax will not affect them financially. They invested $8000 in solar panels while the feed-in tariff was still 60¢ per kilowatt hour, and their electricity bill is a quarter of what it was.

  74. “A complete different attitude than that of the Samuelson family comes from the Thurn/Matthews household”.

    Sunday Sunrise had someone from Choice who said the impact of the carbon price on most Australians is lower than the government figures and many will be better off.Their independent study has found the effect of the carbon price is far less than the GST and even more so than the mining boom on household prices.

    Yes folks, the mining boom has had a negative impact on the cost of living for most Australian households driving up prices for many goods and services. But you don’t see protests at parliament house with placards about the doom wrought by the mining industry, but the opposite has happened. The mining industry with the massive resources behind it has run media and advertising campaigns that convince everyone they are benevolent and even beneficial to the environment, sustain untold amount of communities and give the impression they are the biggest employer in the country, all with the concern of the billionaire owners being towards the welfare of the less well off in our country and not their own selfish interests.

    In other words they have managed to pull off a massive and successful snow job on the Australian people.

  75. ME, I assume we are now paying much more for the coal we burn in our power stations.

    We never hear that mentioned.

  76. Mobius, the mining industry also wreck untold communities..just as the good folk of Karratha who are now looking at between $2,500 & $3,000pw to rent a standard 3br house. That plus services being at breaking point.

  77. Min, the history of coal mining would identify it as being one of the worse. First when it is taken out of the ground. Second when it is burnt.

    Maybe someone has the number of deaths it has caused in the last couple of hundreds years.

    From the death in the mines to the deaths caused by the smog is produced when burnt.

  78. Cu, all industries experience mishaps which unfortunately cause deaths. It is only deaths in roof insulation that are talking points and ‘seemingly’ of public and media interest.

  79. A mate of mine was nearly decapitated but you wouldn’t read about in the papers would you. The roof insulation program resulted in 4 deaths. Well you workers, better not drive to work tomorrow because driving to work is the prime cause of work related deaths..just sayin’.

  80. AntonyG, especially among those who do shift work. Double shifts and back to back shifts.

    The type of work that the boss reckons one should only be paid normal rates.

    Roswell, I am sure the lives lost in roofs will never equal those lost in the coal industry, even today.

  81. “Roswell, I am sure the lives lost in roofs will never equal those lost in the coal industry, even today.”

    That is a fairly ambiguous statement, CU. I know what you meant to say but it could be seen as a little insensitive.

    So 11 deaths on roads this weekend is clearly a tragic loss of life. But do we see the media attempting to attribute some blame? Who’s to blame for the deaths in Afganistan? no the media accepts as a consequence of higher ideals. Ok, a product of political biparisanship.

    So why were the tragic insulation deaths so prominently displayed…for political gain. Besides we all get tired of the others, until we are personally affected.

  82. handyrab, you’ve touched a nerve with me there. I am finding the heavy focus on military deaths in Afghanistan almost mawkish when the numbers of our dead are still very low in comparison with deaths amongst the ‘enemy’ and the local civilian population. One wonders what Afghanis think as we make so much of an ado about each of our losses, still numbering well under a hundred after ten years.

    As well, the military are trained to kill or be killed. Every man and woman who takes up soldiering as a career must surely know that. Yet we we weep and speechify every time a soldier dies on active service. More and more often after each death journalists write about ‘bringing them home.’ I agree with that sentiment for other than the usual reasons, but I wonder what it does to morale in our armed services if every death raises the question of whether we should leave the battlefield.

    For the sake of argument, from someone who is essentially a pacifist, it seems statistically more likely these days that a young man in his twenties will die in a car smash, or a pub brawl, or a heroin overdose, even attacked by a shark while surfing, or while installing pink batts, than to die facing enemy fire.

    What is it that gets to me here? Hypocrisy from journalists who love a war story? Crocodile tears from politicians safe in the Senate or House of Reps? Or is it simply a repugnance for our glorification of war without the willingness to face its inevitable consequences?

  83. That there will be carnage on the roads, is, sadly, expected so there are no eyebrows raised when the inevitable happens. Casualties in war are also expected, yet it is ironic that people do raise eyebrows in the statistics that are small in comparison.

    Both are tragic. Both are wrong.

  84. I seem to have stirred up a hornet nest. I agree with all said, but my statement is not as sensitive as calling MPs and the PM murderers.

    All I meant was that I cannot see why so many are fighting to protect a industry that has such a high cost to the community over centuries.

    The coal industry has always been a dirty and harmful industry. Today, hardly a month goes by without reports of further death.

    I feel like Patricia does with war deaths, these are unnecessary.

    There is no excuse to continue with coal, when there are now many cleaner alternatives.

    The four deaths in the roofs occurred because of greedy bosses who ignored safety laws and regulations introduced by the Rudd government.

    The deaths on the roads can only be prevented by better roads, which the government is attempting to fix and better cars.

    Sadly most are caused by the driver also ignoring the law.

    Patricia, war does not only lead to the death of soldiers. The carnage caused to the normal people is appalling.

    The biggest hypocrisy is that we force the victims of these wars to linger in countries that cannot cope with them and whinge when a few seek refuge with us.

  85. ‘There is no excuse to continue with coal, when there are now many cleaner alternatives’, which by the way can’t carry the base load.

  86. Great pome, patricia.

    Roswell, just don’t ask about how I know about your was something to with Jane and a sleeping bag.


    Min @5.58am, what a different attitude to the Samuelsons with their huge sense of entitlement.

    I read the comments for the Samuelson article (excellent riposte, BSA Bob) and was amazed at the attitude of some of the commenters who seemed to think earning a high income means you work harder and are more worthy and deserving than low and middle income earners. An attitude fostered by the Rodentochracy.

    Which explains why they believe they are more entitled to have their snouts in the welfare trough.

    It used to be that if you earned a high income, you were proud of the fact that you supported yourself and your family without any help. Nowadays, they seem to think it not only entitles them to government assistance, but that they are more deserving of it than people in genuine need!

    Interesting that the impact of the GST was four times greater than the impact of the carbon price, a fact not spruiked by the Liars Party and their cheerleaders.

    It is only deaths in roof insulation that are talking points and ‘seemingly’ of public and media interest.

    And only if those deaths occurred if the installation was carried out under a government stimulus program, Roswell.

    A mate of mine was nearly decapitated but you wouldn’t read about in the papers would you.

    Not unless you could blame it on Peter Garrett, AntonyG.

  87. El gordo…? You say. Then you had better look at the work done by our excellent scientists at UQ and Uni of SA into biofuels. Sue put a link up the other day to current use in America.

  88. My mother remade sheets in a similar fashion, turning the outer edges in and sewing them together when the centres became too worn.

    We all learned to sew and made most of our own clothes, a habit I kept up until my sewing machine was stolen and I didn’t have the money to replace it.

    Nowadays, with clothing so cheap thanks to those obliging workers in foreign countries who apparently hate unions and don’t need to eat, it’s actually almost always much more expensive to make something to wear yourself than buy it.

    I doubt we’ll ever see a return to those frugal days of the past, and perhaps it’s not desirable in many ways, but it would be nice to see some sense of “not entitled if it costs the earth” somewhere, sometime.

  89. Christine, very true. I think today so many people have a huge sense of entitlement. Clearly people with this mind-set are not going to appreciate the efforts of others. It seems that today people do not care much about child labor or even doing things for themselves..just so long as they can buy it cheaper.

  90. Hi! Christine! Those frugal habits brought about by necessity tend to last a lifetime for some of us, don’t they? As a girl of fourteen my very first pair of decent leather shoes were bought second hand from a charity shop in our village. As a scholarship girl from a humble home I was very aware of my substandard wardrobe and those good shoes were an unexpected bargain which gave me huge sense of confidence as I dressed for school each day. .

    Since then op shops have been like a magnet to me – both for buying and for giving. You could probably find a replacement sewing machine in your local Salvo’s or Vinnies, Christine.

    I’m blessed in that I don’t really need to economise, but buying new often just doesn’t make sense. Just recently some of my appliances, originally new, have finally given up the ghost after many years of service. But why buy new when there are electric kettles, toasters and juicers all as new in my local op shop at a fraction of the new price? I know our retailers need the business to keep the economy going, but it’s good to have some extra dollars to donate to worthy causes too.

  91. Patricia re I know our retailers need the business to keep the economy going, but it’s good to have some extra dollars to donate to worthy causes too.

    Keep up the good work. Our charities struggle to keep people fed, to keep people clothed and so any $ spent in any charity shop always goes to a good cause. The vast majority of people who work at St Vinnies et al do so in their own free time and for no pay..the deserve our support and that’s an absolute.

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