Osama bin Laden is dead: live chat

The US is set to announce that Osama bin Laden is dead.  The brief announcement says that:

The United States is expected to announce that Osama Bin Laden is dead.

Rumours of Osama’s death were reported on Twitter before the official statement.

Shortly before 12:30am Keith Urbahn, Chief of Staff, Office of Donald Rumsfeld tweeted: “So I’m told by a reputable person they have killed Osama Bin Laden. Hot damn.”

Minutes later a CBS news reporter tweeted: “House Intelligence committee aide confirms that Osama Bin Laden is dead. U.S. has the body.”

We’ll follow it ‘live’ here at Café Whispers.

113 comments on “Osama bin Laden is dead: live chat

  1. This raises a couple of points.

    1. Just a few weeks ago his minions threaten to detonate an atomic bomb in a European city and attack European airports should bin Laden be killed. They claim to have already planted the bomb. This is a terrifying thought.

    2. Will troops now be withdrawn from Afghanistan?

  2. ‘Will troops now be withdrawn from Afghanistan?’

    I think AlQuada is more than just Bin Laden Migs, although it may make their job much easier in the long run. In the short term, it may well exagerate the situation.

  3. Osama bin Laden has always been a rallying point for extremism, with him gone things must change..and for the better.

  4. On Sky, the Pakistanis are confirming that they were involved in the operation where bin Laden was killed.

  5. What was it that Abbott was saying..how Rudd is spending far too much time on Middle Eastern issues and not enough time on things that effect our region.

  6. Well, if it’s true, Al Quaeda now have a martyr. What better way to get more people to rally to the cause.

  7. There is a discussion on that very thing from the American network – their opinion seems to be that although bin Laden’s “martyrdom” might have an initial effect of encouraging more recruits, that bin Laden was worth far more to Al Quaeda alive rather than dead. Alive it was a way of pointing to how the great and mighty United States was ineffectual against Al Quaeda.

  8. Knowing the media, they will focus more on the appearance of Julia’s whole attire, than the minor news on the death of George W Bush’s pal bin Laden.

  9. It is highly significant that Pakistan allowed armed US troops on it’s soil and that Pakistan actively cooperated with US in the killing of bin Laden, given that the US has been suspicious that Pakistan has been deliberately hiding him and other terrorists.

  10. Sue, I wonder if the media will bother to interview the Prime Minister before they interview Abbott to get his opinion.

  11. Especially the ABC. This morning I watched on ABC an announcement on education by Julia Gillard. when they crossed back to the station Joe asked the reporter “And what is Tony Abbott doing today”.

  12. This is what worries me:

    The news comes amid reports of the US issuing worldwide travel warnings about terrorism.

    The report of bin Laden’s death comes the week after UK’s Daily Telegraph claimed to have been shown thousands of pages of sensitive documents relating to a decade of interviews in which extremists admit to plotting attacks.

    According to the files, penned by officials at the controversial base, al-Qaeda terrorists had threatened to unleash a “nuclear hellstorm” if Osama bin Laden is caught or killed.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/jubilation-mixed-with-fears-of-reprisals-greets-news-of-osama-bin-ladens-death/story-fn8ljm6z-1226048445197#ixzz1LAQJvctM

  13. patriciawa, “if it’s true”. We’ll have to wait and see. The President spoke with certainty, and he says they have Osama’s body which should be convincing enough.
    Aussie “spooks” have been saying that Al Quaeda has been weakened; we’ll know soon enough….

    Min, Pakistan confirming their part in it is significant, maybe I’m being too sceptical.

    Tweet from Tim Dunlop:=

    timdunlop timdunlop
    I guess Mr Howard will be apologising for his part in the Iraq invasion and thus helping to delay the capture of bin Laden.

    LOL

  14. And I wonder who the media will seek a statement from first: the PM or their pin-up boy Abbott.

    ABC has Alexander Downer on atm 🙄

  15. Pip, good one from Tim. Knowing Howard he will strut about praising himself and his part in The War on Terror.

  16. And reb over at the Gutter informs that John Howard has called a press conference for 4:00PM 🙄

  17. Miglo @ 2.45pm, we have Al Qaeda types much closer to home who will be very angry about this news.

  18. It seems that the media is going to be all over Howard and Downer like a rash…sigh…

  19. What this country needs is genuine bews station. ABC24 obviously does not meet this criteria. I am sure someone in the government is available.

  20. No Min, this is the ABC we are talking about at this time.

    We are now getting the what the British PM is saying. Not direct though.

  21. Typical ABC/COALition, with Dolly on first.

    Remember this one?
    JWH having a shot at Obama.

  22. By rights the first person apart from the PM that the media should want to talk to is Kevin Rudd, as after all he became Shadow Foreign Minister just after 9/11 and so has been there during the entire time.

  23. Maybe the media are waiting for Abbott to return to Afghanistan to be pictured in militray fatigues and rifle in hand before they snap him.

  24. They are sure giving the Opposition the chance to put the best view on their past actions, to set the agenda in what happens in the next few days. .

  25. No Migle, they are giving Mr. Abbott a chance to find out what he should say and to make his own video.

  26. Miglo and Catching Up, Abbott would right now be writing his idiot sheets to read to video camera while Minchin irons his fatigues 🙂

  27. Polyquats, I believe that Rudd is on his way to a meeting with a NATO panel about the Libyan situation.

  28. PM Gillard is expected to sprak in the next hour. No explanation as to why this is taking too long.

  29. Correction: it wasn’t Abbott who attacked Kevin Rudd but Alexander Downer. Why would the media tack that sentence on the end of a story about Rudd having has won a place on a NATO-dominated panel to guide the conflict in Libya…obviously to downplay the importance of the selection of Rudd.

    Former foreign minister Alexander Downer attacked Mr Rudd in an essay last month for ignoring south-east Asia while Liberal deputy Julie Bishop complained Australia’s influence in the Pacific islands was drifting.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/rudd-nabs-spot-on-panel-20110501-1e37l.html#ixzz1L7ekEEIu

  30. Min, don’t you know Dolly Downer is “the longest serving Foreign Minister” and entitles himself to make pronouncements of great importance to himself ?

  31. A tweet from Mr Denmore:-

    MrDenmore
    Mr Denmore

    Splash on ‘The Australian’ tomorrow: ‘Bin Laden Death Vindicates Howard’ + Paul Kelly sidebar on this being a ‘profound’ blow to the left.

  32. As I said, the ABC24 is giving the Opposition time to set the agenda on how this matter will be reported.

    The Howard government will come out smelling like roses once again. No credit will be given to the Rudd and Gillard government who have had carriage of the matter since 2007.

  33. Another funny tweet

    thetracemeister Tracie Lorraine Lee by JohnQuiggin

    RT @McLemee: It sure seems like Obama’s job as secret Muslim operative imposing Sharia law on the US just got a whole lot harder

  34. The PM is on Sky now – commenced with remembering the Australians killed in terrorist attacks.

  35. PM also on ABC24. Looks like she has taken the time to get her message correct.

  36. and a different opinion,

    cosmicjester cosmic jester
    Osama Bin Laden sentenced to life in US prison would have been a better headline.

    I’m inclined to agree. Assassination looks like revenge, not justice.

  37. CU, I agree. Gillard would have needed to be briefed about the situation and also much to be done before announcing the travel warning.

  38. It seems that bin Laden was killed as a result of a firefight and so maybe not a deliberate assassination attempt. However having said that, I am certain given that bin Laden has escaped capture many times over the past decade that when they finally tracked him down again that they wouldn’t want to be taking any chances of his escaping again.

  39. Pip, agreed it does from that description seem to be a deliberate assassination. However as other descriptions include the fact that it was a firefight and that 3 men and I believe a woman too who they were using as a shield were also killed it might also have been a shoot-out.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.raid/index.html

    Bin Laden resisted the assault and was killed in a firefight, senior administration officials said.

    The Pakistani intelligence official said he did not know who fired the shot that actually killed the terror mastermind.

    U.S. sources including a senior official and a congressional source familiar with the operation said bin Laden was shot in the head.

    Three other men were also killed in raid, as was a woman who was being used as a human shield, senior administration officials said.

  40. CU, especially when a fundamentalist religion is involved these ‘items’ having such a low status.

  41. The Howard interview was a classic. Among all his huff he gave a lecture about how we are not giving proper respect to our military.
    But thank goodness one journalist has a memory and they asked him if he regretted his statement in 2008 that “Al Qaeda would celebrate the election of Barack Obama”

    Weasly words later he turned the comment to reflect that Obama had changed to be like him.

  42. Obama lost in the end. After watching the protests in the Middle East and following some of them on Twitter, there were many women among the crowds, and very vocal 🙂
    Having said that, many are being punished as we speak.

  43. Min, I really do not think it has much to do with any religion or culture.

    I think it has more to do with the tendency of males to consider himself as more worthy and their use of bullying to get what they want.

    Not all dictators belong to the Muslim faith. Christianity has had their share.

    There is very little reluctance in war to put women and children first. Their deaths are seen as justified. How many innocent women and children died in Iraq as an example.

  44. CU, I would have to disagree with you on that one. There are ‘some males’ who use bullying to get what they want but I would not consider bullying a male-specific feature. Some women are just as bad bullies as some men.

    Quite right, many of the worst dictators have been Christians, so at least professed to the Christian faith.

    However, there are some cultures and some religions who do place a lower value on female lives than others, for example female babies left to die in cultures where boy babies are the ones who are valued.

  45. Wonders never cease..David Speers called Gillard by her title: “The Prime Minister said…”, and not just once but at least four times.

  46. Miglo, I agree that it would have been dangerous to take OBL alive, but the celebration of his death might also be dangerous. Potato, potarto.

  47. Pip, I believe that Obama has requested that Americans be restrained in their celebrations but from the look of the footage coming out of the US that seems highly unlikely.

  48. Weird.
    On this day in 1945, Hitler’s death was confirmed.

    and with much more reason to be sad,

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/02/3205151.htm

    Tributes for shoe throwing activist.

    A Newcastle environmental campaigner has been described as a man who spent the last ten years of his life trying to change the world for the better.

    30-year-old Peter Gray died over the weekend after several years suffering from bowel cancer.

    Mr Gray made headlines last year when he threw his shoes at the former Prime Minister John Howard during the ABC’s Q and A program.

  49. And weirder still, Pip, Hitler and Eva Braun were married on the 29th of April. That date familiar?

  50. Abbott probably doesn’t know yet, Pip. There are no reporters on hand to drip feed him. They’ve all rushed to get a scoop from little johnie rotten.

  51. Osama bin Laden has been buried at sea in keeping with the Islamic tradition that the deceased be buried within 24 hours. The US says he was buried at sea because it wasn’t safe for any country to keep his remains.

    I think they’re making themselves open for conspiracy theorists.

  52. I would agree there Migs. As you say, they had 24 hours and so why the rush to dispose of the remains only hours after bin Laden’s death.

  53. There are conflicting reports on the burial at sea thing – could it just be US forestalling potential terror attacks and/or kidnaps demanding the release of the body?

    There’s one report that says Pakistan have announced a funeral…

  54. Thank you for that Bacchus. Excellent point. That is one thing that the US would want to avoid, the issue of immediate reprisals.

  55. Just taking a break…….

    By Shefali Anand
    A man in Abbottabad, the town where Osama bin Laden was killed by the U.S. on Monday, inadvertently live-tweeted the attack as it started.

    Twitter
    Screengrab of Sohaib Athar’s twitter page. The man, who uses the Twitter handle “ReallyVirtual”, identifies himself as Sohaib Athar, “an IT consultant taking a break from the rat-race by hiding in the mountains with his laptops.”

    http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2011/05/02/from-abbottabad-live-tweeting-the-bin-laden-attack/?mod=WSJBlog&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  56. Miglo, “nice quiet little location, friendly Locals”, yes, and did I see that the military were based somehwere close by nearby apparently? or did I imagine that???

  57. Yes, Pip, ‘well-known throughout Pakistan for its pleasant weather, high-standard educational institutions and military establishments.’ says Wiki.

  58. Julia was the same as always, the right amount of gravitas, calm measured tones as befits the leader of our country and when individual questions came looked the speaker in the eye in a warm and welcoming way so as to give the person the feeling that she appreciated both them and their enquiry.

  59. I realize that in the future that there will be a need to look closely at the propaganda that doubtless will come from the US. However, below seems to be the truth of the matter.

    “From a visual perspective, here is bin Laden who has been calling for attacks, living in this million dollar plus compound, living in an area that’s far removed from the front, hiding behind women who were put in front of him as a shield.

    “I think it really just speaks to just how false his narrative has been over the years, and so again looking at what bin Laden was doing, hiding there while he’s putting other people out there to carry out attacks, again, just speaks to, I think, the nature of the individual he was.”

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/osama-bin-laden-dead-us-has-the-body/story-e6freuy9-1226048335673?from=public_rss

  60. So many conspiracy theories sweeping the internet. Personally, I’d say he’s dead. How stupid would the US look if he turns up again one day? They must be 100% certain he’s dead.

  61. Migs, he’s dead either that or he’s in a bar chatting up a blonde chick along with Tony Abbott and Elvis Presley 😉

  62. Listening to the interview with the US State Department spokesman I cannot help but note the hypocrisy of some of his statements.

    He states here is Bin Laden ordering these terrorist attacks far from the front attempting to make out OBL is a coward, yet here is the US ordering attacks thousands of kilometres from the front using satellites, remotely piloted vehicles and cruise missiles.

  63. Min, why hasn’t some intrepid reporter who is accompanying Tony Abbott done an interview with the blonde? Where are the photos of the blonde, was she the local entertaniment manager and is she really better looking than Julia ?
    This is the quality reporting usually attributable by the MSM of Labor. Where is the balance?

  64. Sue, I think that she left with Elvis..either that or they did in fact interview the blonde but what she had to say about Tony Abbott was none too flattering. Hands up which of the ladies here would enjoy being chatted up by Tony Abbott. 😯

  65. Good grief! Sky news interrupts it’s commentary about bin Laden to swap to an interview with Tony Abbott who wants to talk about the carbon tax and a bus company. Was it that important that Abbott couldn’t wait….

  66. I would agree with Bernard Keane on this one…

    Indeed, let’s not forget that one of Bin Laden’s key goals in developing the plans that led to 9/11 – remember originally it was a much bigger operation to involve dozens of airliners – was to so infuriate the West and the US in particular that it would wildly lash out at the Muslim world, thereby accomplishing what al-Qaeda had hitherto been unable to itself – radicalizing entire generations of young Muslims across the world and send them into combat against the West.

    In this, at least Bin Laden was partly successful. As a British diplomat noted during his second term, George W. Bush became the “best recruiting agent al-Qaeda ever had.”

    And especially…

    Ultimately Bin Laden’s success wasn’t enough. It is not fundamentalism to which Middle Eastern youth are now turning, but to freedom from tyranny, persecution and censorship. The values for which the young people of Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Bahrain, Jordan and Syria are marching and dying are completely antithetical to those espoused by this mass murderer and his henchmen.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/05/02/bin-ladens-death-will-change-nothing-especially-among-the-youth-of-the-middle-east/

  67. I’m impressed that the quality of comments across the blogospehere are at a much higher standard than those attracted to media sites.

    Why, for example, do news.com allow comments under the bin Laden story to be nothing more than anti Julia Gillard rants? News is no longer news; it is an opinion only.

  68. Bin Laden’s assassination seems remarkably similar to Che Guevara’s. Both were trained and partly-funded by the CIA to overthrow an dictator. Both helped America stick its foot in another continent, and both were shot without trial nor statement!
    First the news say Bin Laden was armed and shielded by his wives. Today they’re saying he was UNARMED and DID NOT use a wife as a shield. Yesterday they said they had the body, today they’ve already given him a Muslim funeral! Can any one else smell the fish?
    The tragedy of 9/11 was put on Bin Laden seconds after they knew it was an attack. Yet many “facts” don’t add up! The Weinstein Group, owners of the twins, are filing a law suite against their insurance company because they consider only 1 terrorist attack [which they were covered for (?)] whereas they get more than 10 billion bucks if they considered them two separate attacks, one from each plane. Guess who has stocks in Weinstein?
    This NARROW-mindedness superiority complex of believing YOU’RE right and anyone who doesn’t do what you TELL them to is wrong, and believing the SPIN Doctors who fill their pockets with gold out of your stupidity is excruciatingly difficult to live with!
    Do some research- outside the “TRUSTED” sites because they CANNOT be trusted- they are MAKING MONEY- whatever it takes! Proof of media manipulation can be seen across time itself- DON’T be fooled…again!
    Vietnam War- Poppy Seeds!
    Golf War- Oil!
    Faulklands- Crill!
    It’s not about religion nor way of life- i mean- who cares if they have 2 or 7 wives; we can barely handle one- good luck to them, i say! It’s ALL about the Benjamin’s! And Power, obviously.

    So WHY did they want him dead so much? Specially trained SEALS couldn’t shoot him in the leg? They couldn’t take him with them because 1 chopter down? A million other “details” that just don’t make SENSE!
    It’s 2011 and everyone’s acting like it’s Rome- 300 A.D.! We should’ve brought Bin Laden back, put him in a stadium full of Angry Mob and sold TV rights of his slaughtering!

    WAKE UP EVERYONE!

  69. Undies, to add to your list.

    Afghanistan – opium

    I would agree with that, there has rarely in history been a war fought on purely idealogical grounds – always economic – for territory and resources. Idealogy is used as a rallying cry, be it Kill the Infidel, Free the Slaves, Reds Under the Bed or the Yellow Peril.

  70. I’ve always wondered how the US tied bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks so quickly. The first plane had hardly hit when the hunt was on.

    Maybe they had some early warning signs about bin Laden. I don’t know for sure, but one would think that if they were so convinced he was going to do something then perhaps they should have been looking for him much earlier.

    I’ve always smelt a rat over all of this. I don’t doubt that bin Laden was an evil man but I’m thinking that there were also some rats in the Bush administration.

  71. Mobius, a few billion dollars to be made from opium and it was Al Qaeda who as fundamentalist Muslims banned the growing of it. Point take about the oil pipeline.

  72. Migs, I thought the exact same thing..how did the US seem to automatically know that bin Laden was the mastermind. I can’t recall that the US ever came out with any factual information as to intelligence etc. In the US 9/11 has become akin to a holy shrine and I doubt that anyone would be game to put any question marks over it.

  73. On the subject of things that don’t quite sit right, this one comes from Miranda Devine (no surprises there).

    Yes it has. And much of it thanks to the maligned former president George W. Bush, Guantanamo Bay and what Donald Rumsfeld calls “intensive interrogation to be sure”.

    It was intelligence gathered during those interrogations that led the US to one of bin Laden’s closest confidantes, his courier, Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti, and to the secret compound in Abbottabad.

    A justification for the use of torture. I wonder how many innocent people were also tortured. But the thing that doesn’t sit quite right is ‘how come’ a person who was captured probably around 2001/2002 would know where bin Laden was located in the year 2011? And given that bin Laden would have known that this man had been captured, wouldn’t it be basic common sense to move from that particular hiding place where this man it seems knew that bin Laden was hiding?

  74. Good point Min – there seems to be a lot of bulls**t “framing of the narrative” going on at the moment, attempting to to provide justification for past (mis)deeds…

  75. Afghanistan +Oil pipeline, more so than opium

    Could you expand on that theory for me please, ME?

  76. Russia invaded Afghanistan because it needed a secure route for a pipeline from Azerbaijan and Central Asia through Afghanistan to Pakistan or India.

    This courtesy of Wikipedia and a couple of other Google found sources:

    Unocal wanted an oil pipeline through Afghanistan in addition to a gas pipeline to link Türkmenabat, Turkmenistan to Pakistan’s Arabian Sea Coast. Through the Omsk (Russia) – Pavlodar (Kasakhstan) – Shymkent – Türkmenabat pipeline, it would provide a possible alternative export route for regional oil production from the Caspian Sea. The pipeline was expected to cost US$2.5 billion. However, due to political and security instability, this project was dismissed.

    Why do you think a backward place like Afghanistan with no natural resources and one major export, which globally is an illegal drug has garnered so much interest throughout the ages. It is strategically located at the cross roads of major oil and gas producers and the hugely growing markets on the other side.

    Secure pipelines through Afghanistan is the dream of the big oil and gas producers but the small problem of warlords who are only interested in what they can get and take along with corrupt government and a people who are almost impossible to conquer keep getting in the way.

    In 99% of cases whenever a major country is subjugating or talking about bringing freedom to a smaller country always look for the link to oil and/or gas. Look for the links to it in Tibet and even Israel.

  77. Mobius and TB, it has all of the ‘symptoms’ of the disease of war – economic, possibly/probably oil as the reason and opium as a major side benefit – the rallying cry, firstly Afghanistani women/freedom from a fundamentalist and non-christian regime followed by 9/11.

    Interestingly Wiki and other references cite the start of the war as being 2001 but of course it has been going on for a lot longer than that.

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