Meanwhile . . .

. . . groceries will carry the cost of carbon tax, warn supermarkets.

Oh really.  Do they?  According to they do.

Food prices are set to rise under the Federal Government’s carbon tax, with some of the nation’s largest food retailers expected to be hit with potential carbon bills of millions of dollars a year . . . Even though a carbon price is yet to be determined, Woolworths could be faced with a potential annual carbon bill of about $10 million a year, based on a carbon price of $26 per tonne, which industry experts and the Opposition are using as a rough guide.

Who cares what the Opposition thinks and why bother asking them, and why bother publishing a story that is based on innuendo and such an unreliable source as the Opposition?  I wonder what Woolworths have to say.

A spokeswoman for Woolworths said it supported the Government’s action on climate change and said it believed a “hybrid” model was the best mechanism.

However, it said it could not forecast potential price impacts until more details of the scheme were released.

How extraordinary.  The largest retailer in the country supports the Government’s action and at this stage cannot commit on its impact because details of the scheme have not been released.  They must be stupid if they don’t know the details. do; it’ll cost them $10 million a year.

$10 million looks good sitting at the top of a story, but let’s consider its real effect.  Supposing they or other chains pass that $10 million on to their customers – the population of Australia, 21,000,000 people – it’ll cost each person 47 cents a year for their groceries.

Consumers will have to find a an extra cent a week for their groceries.  A struggling family of five would have to crack open the piggy bank to find an extra five cents a week.  Those five cent pieces that we used to leave on the ground if they fell out of our hand will now be swooped on by the likes of Alan Jones’ listeners.

We’ll keep getting hit by the MSM that this 47 cents a year will ruin the economy or send jobs offshore and people will phone the shock jocks with sob stories that they have to give up the Sunday roast or cancel their planned Christmas holiday.  Some may have to take a second job, or plead their boss for a few minutes overtime to cover the imposing 47 cents a year they must now find.

Customers to the Café can be assured that we will not pass on any new costs.  Our standard price for a mug of coffee remains at $12.50.

129 comments on “Meanwhile . . .

  1. Who is that lady? Who is the lady standing behind Abbott 50 seconds into this video? No, it couldn’t be who I think it is.

  2. Miglo. Going by some of the other cafe’s in Canberra your price are way to cheap, no wonder Conservative Politicians steer clear of Cafe Whispers.

  3. Crowey, we keep the prices low so not to attract the wrong clientele, such as the Conservative politicians you describe. Unfortunately the low prices do attract another low element of our society: Crow’s supporters.

  4. Migs…there is a big clockwork key in the center of Tony’s back and Pauline is there to make sure that it’s kept wound up.

  5. Min, if I were Tony Abbott (yuck, a horrible thought), I wouldn’t turn my back on Pauline Hanson.

    I think she owes him a knife.

  6. I think I have’s a typical ‘survey’ where they don’t provide which question was asked.

    How’s this for an attempt: Dear Mr Supermarket Giant, If your costs were to go up because of a carbon tax would you pass these costs onto consumers.

    And they all heartily agreed, Yes we would.

  7. Migs, I do like the bordering..just mebee something plainer so as to not distract from the main part. I spotted one earlier that looked good.

  8. Perhaps I’ll try and lighten it.

    But seriously, how can anything attract from the main part, in particular my gravatar? 😛

  9. Wasn’t / Isn’t Hunt a Turnbull supporter?, hmmm Malcolm just didn’t convince me enough on Q&A last night and his BBC interview was seemingly a little mixed up about what he would do about Carbon Pricing, I guess that would depend on whether he is leader of the opposition or not, now wouldn’t it.

  10. Nice to be back and reading your posts again Migs. What I find most bemusing aboutthis whole episode is how the opposition has changed its tune so quickly from their clarification of a levy not being a tax (when they did not even give a definite end to their ‘levy”, while at the same time declaring a ‘tax’ with a definitive end as a tax and not a levy? It wasn’t so long ago we had hockey dancing his way through the semantics

    At least Gillard is not playing that card, simply taking the mud and moving on with the real business, looking at what exactly is the best way forward with this. Personally, I wish they’d get a rocket up all of these people who continually call it a tax (I understand the opposition doing it, but every media outlet too?) Guess they just aint as pedantic as some of us.

  11. And yes, turnbull was atrocious on qanda last night. Continually talking over people, sucking up akers clakers, and then admitting that the oppositions ‘real action’ is basically a dogs breakfast (but the libs could make it work lol)

  12. Min, I think Turnbull is counting numbers, he is just waiting for the right stuffup to nail Abbott on, and despite the attention taken away from the Libs at the moment there are still big divisions within the Liberal party.

  13. Nice to see you back here, Tom. Does this mean I can now raise the price of Southwark?

    BTW, the Crows have been looking good. Can’t say the same about Port, unfortunately.

  14. I think we might have seen the real Ms. Julie Bishop today. It is clear that she is a catty, nasty woman of little substance. As deputy leader of the Opposition she lost the plot. Ms. Bishop’s pout and staring down towards the Speaker was one to behold. Ms. Julie Bishop accused the PM of lying by once again taking one sentence out of a paragraph, or as the PM said, cutting the paragraph in half. That is a little like the sentence that we have seen replayed many times, alleging she lied.

  15. ‘I can now raise the price of Southwark?’

    Whats 2 times 0? 🙂

    bit early yet I reckon, but I can’t recall a time port looked good 😉

    What the hell is that Western Sydney team doing poncing around?? Bloody AFL don’t appear to have a clue!

  16. Yes CU, and I reckon the general populace don’t really hold much to one pollie calling another one a liar. We just assume they all do it. And, coming from the libs, with their track record…..

    If played correctly, this carbon price may be a major embarrassment for the opposition, relegated to flailing from the sidelines while those in charge make the decisions that move our country forward.

    And if turnbull doesn’t try and unglue himself from them, he will be dragged down with them (appropriately imho)

  17. Abbott is saying that the shadow cabinet support his ‘Direct Action Plan’. Just wondering if someone/anyone in the media is going to get around to asking Abbott about WHY he thinks that his DAP is superior.

    From memory, this involved something to do with a “Green Army” planting trees..there was going to be tens of thousands thousands of ’em. I wonder what Abbott thinks that organisations such as LandCare have been doing all of these years.

    Oh yes, and then because the Nats refused to endorse Abbott’s DAP Abbott then had to revise it. All these trees were supposed to be planted on non-viable farmland, infill in residential areas preferably. Just me, but the reason that land is non-viable is because things don’t grow very well….or at all.

  18. OMG, Migs! First the flood levy and now this 47cent outrage! We’ll be rooned, rooned I tell ‘ee!!!! It’s going to add $50/year to my expenses! Should I get a bigger overdraft?

    Just wondering if someone/anyone in the media is going to get around to asking Abbott about WHY he thinks that his DAP is superior.

    Or indeed What his DAP is, Min.

  19. ‘asking Abbott about WHY he thinks that his DAP is superior.’
    It’s a 3 Word Slogan, so it must be superior. 😉

  20. Can anyone work out the logic in this:

    “How can you be called a racist for questioning a religious practice? My comments were all in regard to religious practice, not in regard to race or ethnicity.

    “I’ve been a defender of people’s rights to practice religion.”

    Then again, it was uttered by one C. Bernardi!

  21. Handyrab, and that makes it better, it is only religion. Next his excuse will be it’s not religion it is an political movement.

  22. “Next his excuse will be it’s not religion it is an political movement.”

    Or “a difference of opinion” a bit like the Coalition’s $10 billion dollar black hole…!

    LULZ 🙂

  23. Maybe this one Migs “Was One Nation behind Tony Abbott’s Indonesian school building cuts?” Hence my comment about the clockwork key and Pauline winding him up. Now don’t you feel like a silly sausage 😉

  24. And one very very unhappy Tony Windsor…

    The independent MP drew parallels with the recent shooting of US congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, warning violent political rhetoric and “abuse” on the airwaves could provoke a similar tragedy in Australia.

    His comments came after he revealed he had received a number of death threats over the issue, and released an phone message which ended with: “I hope you die”.

    “You’re a liar, a dog, a rat, a big f…ing MP dog… and you wait you’re not going to get voted in again. I hope you die, you bastard,” the caller said.


    “I think we saw instances in America recently where people were incited by various professional media people to hideous acts,” he said.

    “There should be substantive debates on substantive issues, not just slogans and one-liners and abuse on the airwaves. And I would hate something happen to someone in our parliamentary system and that would change it forever.”

    And he levelled a finger at conservative talkback radio hosts, saying they are orchestrating a campaign designed to bring the Government down.

    “This is about eradicating the current Government, using the carbon pricing issue as the catalyst to attempt to get some sort of people’s revolt, US-style revolt to overthrow the government,” he said.

  25. Coalition pricing on their own Direct Action Climate Policy, their supreme mathematicians have created another great big black hole, this time it is 20 Billion dollars.

  26. FS @7.42am. Of course, how could I forget the good old three word slogan?

    Pip @1.08am, why don’t I feel surprised at this. Which makes those irritating spam checker codes a complete waste of time because the commenter will be a human with multiple identities.

    Or that religion is only a state of mind.

    Crediting Bernadi with a mind is a bit of a stretch, don’t you think, Migs?

    Or “a difference of opinion” a bit like the Coalition’s $10 billion dollar black hole…!

    Or a figment of the Treasury’s imagination, reb.

    Min & Migs, the thought of Smuggles and Hanson together, alone………..!!!

    Min, bullying and hectoring is the only negotiating tool in the Smuggles Set’s cupboard. They seem incapable of understanding that their strong-arm tactics might be fine when dealing with the Mafia, but not if they want the support of the Independents.

    They have alienated all three to the extent that it’s pretty much assured they will stay in the government camp, imo.

    Crowey @2.07pm, yet another risible costing fiasco. They lose more credibility every day.

  27. If anyone just saw Question Time and heard the Coalition questioning the job creation impact of the Renewable Energy sector and the conclusions of The Climate Institute’s recent paper estimating a net positive jobs impact from a Renewable Energy Industry, well, let me tell you that the credentials of Verso Economics are seriously in question. They have an opinion that Renewable Energy measures, such as Wind and Solar, cause environmental degradation!
    Obviously, they have never been to a Coal Mine.
    So to place any serious credence on their conclusions is to hop into bed with a bunch of Climate Sceptics seeking to justify their own antediluvian position.

  28. Feral, coal mines are wonderful, who would not want in their backyard. I believe the numbers that are claimed to be employed in the industry are a little inflated, due to the automation of the industry.

    If you do not believe the effect using coal has on a city, I suggest people visit what is now the beautiful city of Newcastle. As a child, I remember it as an ugly smelly place to visit. When the heavy industries closed down, many were out of work. Today I believe most are in work, and the jobs they are doing are much cleaner and do not involve heavy listening.

    Interesting comment and a site that is worth visiting.

    “But the main point of Rob’s comments is that we should not be wasting time arguing over who made what promises (not forgetting that the Howard government went into the 2007 election promising an emissions trading scheme in 2012). The point is that we should be looking at the policy choices before us and seeing which is the best option (See The lie Gillard could have told, March 2).””

  29. CU, the nearest that I can find is stats for all mining and so obviously it’s somewhat less for the coal industry alone.

    Employing just 179,400 workers, mining is outranked by all but one of the 19 industry groupings used by the Bureau of Statistics. Even ”arts and recreation”, employing 193,400 people, is a greater provider of jobs….

    Only in Western Australia is mining a big employer, providing 6 per cent of jobs. In NSW it employs less than 1 per cent, in Victoria less than half a per cent.

    The figures lend weight to a claim by the Treasury secretary, Ken Henry, in evidence to a Senate committee last month that mining did not ”save Australia from recession”.

    ”It is true that Australia avoided a recession,” he told the committee, ”but the mining industry actually experienced quite a deep recession – in the first six months of 2009 it shed 15 per cent of its workers. Mining investment collapsed, mining output collapsed.”

  30. Min, a few fact go a long way.

    I do not like to see anyone lose their jobs, but the jobs that exist today are easily transferred to other industries.

    The few, in underground mining should disappear

  31. Migs @3.50pm, the dingbats were out in all their spittle-flecked glory. I felt it was my duty to reassure them that gay marriage won’t make an ounce of difference to their being ignorant bigots and it won’t make bigamy legal.

  32. It is not about gay marriages or euthanasia.

    The proposed bill is taking away the Federal Ministers power to override the Territory law. This will mean the Federal Government can only change the territoriy law by an act of parliament.
    The power should not have been given to the minister in the first place. Mr. Howard was not known for liking the parliament to oversee his actions. His preference was to keep his decisions and actions away from public view as much as possible
    Once again the MSM is telling half of the story and at the same time, stretching the truth.
    It might allow a territory to enact law but the Federal Government still has the power to rescind that law, only it must be in a apparent manner.

  33. From

    Protesters against the Government’s carbon tax plan to march on Parliament House on March 23.

    Rally organiser Jacques Laxale said he had first flagged the rally on Sydney radio station 2GB and later received 200 emails an hour in support.

    “The response is ongoing – I just can’t keep up with it,” Mr Laxale, who says he represents a group called the Consumers and Taxpayers Association, told the station.

    Independent MP Tony Windsor, who has received death threats over his role in developing the Government’s carbon-reduction policy, would be safe if he turned up, he said.

    “I can reassure Tony Windsor if he does turn up I will have a bodyguard for him,” Mr Laxale said.

    I take it this goose is expecting violence.

  34. Migs, I just tried a Google for an organisation called Consumers and Taxpayers Association and came up with a zero except a reference to an interview Mr Laxale had on 2GB with Chris Smith yesterday. I wonder where their website is?

  35. From Pete:

    Carbon Price Mechanism

    The Prime Minister Julia Gillard outlined the Government’s plan to cut pollution, tackle climate change and deliver the economic reform Australia needs to move to a clean energy future.

    This is an essential economic reform, and it is the right thing to do.

    The two-stage plan for a carbon price mechanism will start with a fixed price period for three to five years before transitioning to an emissions trading scheme.

    The Government will propose that the carbon price commences on 1 July 2012, subject to the ability to negotiate agreement with a majority in both houses of Parliament and pass legislation this year.

    A carbon price is a price on pollution. It is the cheapest and fairest way to cut pollution and build a clean energy economy. The best way to stop businesses polluting and get them to invest in clean energy is to charge them when they pollute.

    The businesses with the highest levels of pollution will have a very strong incentive to reduce their pollution.

    The Government will then use every cent raised to:

    – Assist families with household bills

    – Help businesses make the transition to a clean energy economy

    – Tackle climate change

    The Government will not shy away from this difficult but vital economic reform to move Australia to a clean energy nation.

    The global economy is shifting.

    Right now, Australia is at risk of falling behind the rest of the world. The longer we wait, the greater the cost to the economy, and the greater the cost to Australian jobs.

    An initial fixed carbon price will provide businesses with a stable and predictable platform to transition to a ‘cap and trade’ emissions trading scheme that will be linked to international carbon markets.

    This will give businesses time to understand their carbon liability and begin the transformation in a steady and purposeful way.

    Today’s proposal is the result of hard work by the Multi-Party Climate Change Committee which has been meeting co-operatively, determined to help deliver this crucial economic reform.

    The framework has been agreed by Government and Greens members of the Multi-Party Climate Change Committee (MPCCC). The other members, Mr Tony Windsor and Mr Robert Oakeshott, have agreed that the proposal should be released for community consultation.

    The Committee will continue to discuss other important elements of the proposal including the starting level of the fixed price, any phasing in of sectors of the economy, and assistance for both households and industry.

    The document outlining the proposed carbon price mechanism is attached.

    Members of the public and interested parties who wish to provide input on this approach should contact:, or write to:

    The Multi-Party Climate Change Committee Secretariat
    GPO Box 854
    Canberra ACT 2601

  36. Protesters against the Government’s carbon tax plan to march on Parliament House on March 23.

    Pity we couldn’t arrange for a thick pall of pollution to blanket their march, Migs.

  37. Blockquotes didn’t work. Should read

    Protesters against the Government’s carbon tax plan to march on Parliament House on March 23.

    Pity we couldn’t arrange for a thick pall of pollution to blanket their march, Migs.

  38. Maybe our PM should take the opportunity to talk to what I am sure will be vast numbers to explain what is proposed.

    I am also sure that if the PM did make the offer, it would be waste of time, for few of these people would not hear, even if they listened.

    The PM would have problems if she did get the chance, she would have to use three word slogans in very small words for the majority to comprehend the message.

    I might see if I can get a free trip to Canberra for the day from the Central Coast. Just observe first hand, not to support.

    It is a risk with Mr. Abbott, the Opposition Leaders short attention span and the trendacy to become bored, he might have moved onto something else by then. After all it is nineteen days away. Plenty can happen in that time and I might have put the day aside for nothing.

  39. Maybe our PM should take the opportunity to talk to what I am sure will be vast numbers to explain what is proposed.

    I am also sure that if the PM did make the offer, it would be waste of time, for few of these people would not hear, even if they listened.

    The PM would have problems if she did get the chance, she would have to use three word slogans in very small words for the majority to comprehend the message.

    I might see if I can get a free trip to Canberra for the day from the Central Coast. Just observe first hand, not to support.

    It is a risk with Mr. Abbott, the Opposition Leaders short attention span and the trendacy to become bored, he might have moved onto something else by then. After all it is nineteen days away. Plenty can happen in that time and I might have put the day aside for nothing.

    Maybe the reason that PM Gillard thought it is wise to release the outline without detail in the carbon pricing proposals.

    We have allowed a climate to involve in this country, where many expect to be spoon fed and do not believe they have any responsibility to seek information for themselves. I question the ability of people to learn anything, if they take three word slogans as the main source of information.

    The result of the PM action appears to be a very confused public and has allowed the Opposition to darken the waters.

    It has been very difficult for the government to focus on the fact that they have introduced a framework that they believe best meets the needs of addressing climate change. The proposition in itself is not complicated. The proposition is that a fixed price on carbon for three to five years that is to evolve to a full market based charge on carbon. This is not much different from that what Labor proposed during the election campaign, in spite of what those in Opposition are attempting to convey.

    How much more difficult it would have been if the whole framework was released with details. I believe if the government follow this course of action, the Opposition, with the assistance of the MSM, on their present behaviour, would have derailed the proposal for good.

    The Opposition is not raising the possibility that climate change is not a fact. The Opposition is spending very little time on defending their own climate change propositions. The Opposition has spent it’s time in alarming the public with made up costs to the community, without any facts to based their assertions. The Opposition are portraying the picture that there is no positives in the proposals. The Opposition main response is in personally attacking and slandering members of the government, without contributing anything to the debate.

    The government needs to continue in this manner, educate the public about the framework, and move on quickly to the details. The public debate for the good of the Nation needs to focus on what is being done, and changes made if necessary.

    It is up to the Opposition if they want to partake in the process or not. The stance they are taking now will not lead anywhere.

  40. It seems that Abbott’s plan to take over any tick of the clock are becoming more and more remote, firstly Windsor and now Oakeshott.

    Mr Oakeshott said “power sharing” was a reality but the Coalition did not appear to want to engage in this.

    “I will work with people who want to get outcomes. In my view the Opposition is not doing that,” he said.

    Abbott seems to have out-clevered himself with his no to everything tactics.

  41. It just goes to show that there are are seriously unwell people out there…

    AUSTRALIA’S bruising political landscape has taken a violent turn after the Wikipedia site of Independent MP Tony Windsor was hacked to report he’d been assassinated.

    Federal police will be called in to investigate the latest threat against the rural MP. Earlier this week, Mr Windsor revealed he’d received death threats in the wake of his support for Labor’s climate change policies.

    Mr Windsor was unaware that his unauthorised Wikipedia site had been changed by some twisted individual when contacted yesterday.

  42. I have this hope that the politics we have endured for the last couple of weeks will peter out. We might have many attempting to control the political arena with such pranks as astro-surfing, but at the end of the day, we are not America and we do not think like Americans.

    I might be naive but I find it amazing many others are using the same terms as we do on this site. Many, including people like Mr. Oakes and Mr. Windsor are using the term “tea party”.

    The Opposition, in spite of the noise it is making, does not present as a having the skills or unity to be bring off such a coup. They appeared to be all over the place, acting like ham amateur actors who are all focus on their own roles.

    They come out fighting, feigning anger and horror for a day or so. Alleging that this bad government, (Labor) is destroying all that is good in this country. Then the matter is dropped and they move onto a new topic to voice anger and repugnance all over again.

    To gain more attention they have to ratchet up the abuse to a higher level, and appear to have no concept that you can go to far. Like when you use physical punishment to control a child. You find as time goes on, you have slap the child harder to get the same results.

    The thing that some in the party are good at is throwing insults and abuse. They do not care who or what they malign to score a point. The cruder, nastier or hurtful the better.

    What is genuine, is their hate and anger, The hate is reaching such a height that some are red in the face and their body shaking.

    The problem is that they do not appear to plan more than a day at a time. The biggest problem for Mr. Abbott is that he cannot make up his mind whether he is the head kicker or Opposition Leader. Worse is that he does not take any responsibility for the behaviour of the Opposition.

    There are a small number out in the open creating havoc and smearing anyone in sight. The rest of the Opposition appear to be very silent and found a hole to hide themselves in.

    The only thing they offer is negativity and doom.

    The biggest problem they have is that PM Gillard appears to enjoy the attacks and being a person who keeps her cool, turns each serve from Mr. Abbott to her advantage, methodically and calmly getting her message across.

  43. “Love it! Migs, the new Café pic is very stylish”

    Don’t want my new Autumn one then?

    Notice that the bloke on the bottom right looks the spitting image of Tanner from ALF?

  44. Of course I want your new banner, Mobius. The one above was only a temp one. You can still send it along to me – I’m sure Min won’t mind.

    And yes, he does look like Willy Tanner.

  45. Speaking of ALF, I have all the four seasons on DVD. Only the first two seasons were shown in Australia, unfortunately..

    Do you want to know what happened to him in the end? Of course you do.

    He was captured by the Air Force trying to get back home. 😥

    And that was it.

    A fifth season had been planned but due to studio funding cuts it was cancelled.

    After an uproar from ALF fans in the US saw a movie made in the 1990’s so that the fans could have ‘closure’. I have the movie but have never watched it. The story line goes that the Air Force planned to kill him but he was assisted to escape.

    The Tanners do not appear in the movie, unfortunately.

  46. Love this from Mike Carlton:

    Imagine, for a fanciful moment, that Julia Gillard has invented the Easter Bunny. Flanked by a brace of nodding cabinet ministers, one or two independent MPs and Bob Brown, she announces this exciting policy initiative in the prime minister’s courtyard at Parliament House.

    ”Let me just make the point here, if I may, that this little furry friend will be a wonderful boost for hard-working Australian families in this great country of ours in terms of chocolate Easter egg outcomes for all our kiddies,” she says.

    The opposition, these days in a permanent lather of outrage, throws the levers to incandescent. The imagemeisters swing into action. In suburban Canberra, weary shopkeepers see Tony Abbott descending upon them again for yet another sleeves-rolled-up photo opportunity, this time stacking egg cartons for the TV cameras.

    ”There will be, um, a people’s revolt against this, ah, latest shocking example of Labor’s scandalous deceit and, er, endless extravagance,” thunders Abbott, spraying adjectives like confetti. ”Julia Gillard never once mentioned rabbits at the election. Chocolate eggs will kick the guts out of the battling Australian egg industry.”

    More here:

  47. Miglo, it is a very good article from Mike Cartlon. I expect to hear more along this line in the near future from other journalists. There is only so much the thinking public, which I believe is larger than many give credit for, can tolerate.

    This article from Paul Kelly is an example of what I think is poor journalism.

    “An irreconcilable difference Paul Kelly, Editor-at-large
    Greens leader Bob Brown keeps outsmarting Labor. Elected to the Senate in 1996, Brown is astute at prosecuting the Greens agenda while reassuring the public. He projects as co-operative and statesmanlike.

    This week he wedged a clueless Labor Party over a symbolic bill concerning the territories. If Labor backs Brown’s bill, as it surely will, then it facilitates the Green agenda of same-sex recognition via the ACT Assembly. If it opposes Brown’s bill then it is seen as supporting “intolerable” impositions on ACT democracy.


    My replyl to this:-

    What is wrong removing the power of a minister to rescind laws made by a Territory government. The Federal Government still has this power, but have to do it by an act of parliament. This means they have to prove the argument and the procedure is transparent. At least the media could be open and honest enough to public the full; story. Yes, the Territories might attempt to introduce laws you do not like, but the Federal Government still has the power of veto.

    It appears that today’s media has fell into the habit of using things taken out of context, using half of paragraphs, interviews or stories to support their arguments.

    Misleading head lines are the norm.

    Many so called journalists should feel ashamed of their feeble efforts, they are letting the side of honest journalism, which we should be able to trust down.

    I expect, going on the abuse handed out to anyone who disagrees with the Coalition or their supporters will be waiting for the usual name calling and abuse to my comment.

    That is at least if my comment gets published.

    Enjoy your retirement and thanks again for your support. You gave me the encouragement to voice my opinions, though many might be sorry for that.

  48. Of all that great Mike Carlton article this little piece is what scared me:

    …to listen to the Parrot on radio, in time to hear a caller named Stephanie gibbering about the leftist threat to the nation. It turned out she meant Joe Hockey and Senator George Brandis.

    This is what Abbott and the right wing media are stirring up and attempting to unleash on Australia, a society where moderate right wingers like Hockey, Brandis, Turnbull etc. are branded socialists and traitors, and that’s before they even get to their commies in Labor and the Greens.

    I would hope they don’t really know what a destructive hornet’s nest they are poking sticks at because if it swarms and attacks it will be indiscriminate and is just as likely to sting right and left and anything inbetween.

  49. From:

    Crazy brave (the carbon tax) is Gillard’s only option. The political prize? Tony Abbott would be left with nothing to say, his leadership destroyed.

    Exactly. As Abbott has no policies worth considering he will be made irrelevant as he has nothing to offer except scare campaigns, over the top rhetoric and negativity. The same as when the floody levy went through the Senate, all that hot air from Abbott for nothing.

  50. As PM Gillard keeps saying, a hollow man indeed. I would add with hollow policies and promises that I hope for Australia’s good he is never in a position to put in place.

  51. How many policies does that Flood Levy now make that the supposed do nothing government and irrelevant Gillard has got through a minority parliament?

    Impressive for any government, even one that has a majority and the more so with such an openly hostile and negative opposition blocking everything out of hand for no reason but to stymie government.

  52. CU, I am honestly scratching my head to work out what policies Abbott does have. Apart from no to this and no to that, the only one that comes to mind is that he’ll Turn the boats around..while never giving any details of exactly how this was to be accomplished.

    Mobius, exactly as both Windsor and Oakeshott have said recently they backed Labor because Labor was prepared to negotiate. Ah yes the good old ‘do nothing’ government when it was the Lib/Nats who blocked everything in the Senate.

  53. “JULIA Gillard needs to stand up to the crossbenchers.
    As Julia Gillard flies to Washington today she should use the relative solitude of the airline cabin to review her performance in federal parliament this week. The Prime Minister has looked rattled by the reactions of the opposition, the public and, worst of all, her party colleagues……”

    Am I missing something that the MSM obviously knows with their ability to read minds or see into the future.

    One thing for sure, they have not taken the time to watch parliament.

    There are actually some very well balance reports popping up this weekend. I think the politics of the last couple of weeks have left a nasty taste in the mouths of many.

    As it is reported, Mr. Abbott, the Opposition Leader does not know or have much interest in science but he must have heard at sometime that for every action there is a reaction.

  54. On my recent drive to the Gold Coast I couldn’t help but notice that the Pacific Hwy from Coffs Harbour to the border is an absolute disgrace.

    We had better tracks in the back paddocks of the farm on Kangaroo Is.

    There were heaps of new works that were obviously started after Labor won their first federal election. I know that is a state issue, but why didn’t Howard provide any funding, like Rudd and Gillard are now doing?

    It’s easy to see why it is a death trap.

    Something that also bemused me is why there is a speed camera in the middle of an overtaking lane. Would they prefer that people overtake in a dangerous area?

  55. CU, amazing how the OO can interpret Julia’s performance as looking rattled. I thought that she made mincemeat out of Abbott and the opposition this week, getting the flood levy through was no small feat.

  56. Migs, it’s been a big job. For example around Brunswick Heads firstly there needed to be a by-pass constructed. Before the by-pass school kids used to have to run the gauntlet of the parade of B Doubles to cross the road to get to school.

  57. I can’t believe that OO article. I looked as to where I could comment or send a correction but of course nothing being the utter cowards they are in taking side swipes with lies and misinformation yet not allowing anyone to point out the lies and misinformation.

  58. Mobius, I believe many so called journalist today are letting their wishful thinking get in the way of an honest story.

    This and other writers with the same mindset should take the advice he gave the PM.

    They should take a step back and spend some time pondering on what they are saying.

    They should realise it is not facts or news, it is mainly I am afraid to be kind, fiction.

  59. CU, plus a good deal of laziness too I think. Far easier to regurgitate Liberal Party press releases than go to the trouble of finding factual information.

    They also know that if they write provocative headlines then they’ll get the hits. Far different from the pre online media days when editors would have problems working out exactly what people were reading.

  60. Migs, I think you’ll find funding of the Pacific Hwy is a federal responsibility.

    The National Highway was and is the centrepiece of Commonwealth road funding. The network that forms the basis of today’s National Highway was established in 1974. It arose from work by the Commonwealth Bureau of Roads that identified major roads that would link State capitals and major population centres. On 16 December 1989, the capital cities and major towns were connected for the first time by sealed highways. In 1992, the inland routes between Melbourne and Brisbane (the Goulburn Valley, Newell and Gore Highways) and between Sydney and Adelaide (the Sturt Highway) were added to the network. In 1994, it was agreed that the roads in the mainland capitals connecting the end points of the National Highway would also be added to the network. Before then, the National Highway terminated on the outskirts of the capital cities. In 1999, the National Highway accounted for 13 per cent of the traffic task (measured in billions of vehicle kilometres).(2)

    In 1974, the Whitlam Government assumed full financial responsibility for the National Highway and the Commonwealth has retained this responsibility ever since. In 200203, 45 per cent of Commonwealth funding was devoted to the National Highway. It is comprised of roads declared to be National Highways, and includes the major highways linking all State and Territory capitals, the Bruce Highway from Brisbane to Cairns, and the highway linking Hobart to Burnie.

  61. Mobius, in 2004 the Howard government introduced AusLink thereby cancelling Whitlam’s initiative for financial responsibility.

    Prior to AusLink, the Federal Government had sole responsibility for funding construction, maintenance and operation of the National Highway System….Since the introduction of AusLink, these funding responsibilities are shared between Federal and State Governments.

    No surprises here…

    Although Federal Government road funding levels have remained flat, fuel excise collected by the Government has generally grown in line with Australia’s economic expansion. It is estimated that the Commonwealth will collect more than $13 billion from fuel excise in 2005-06, yet will contribute around $2.1 billion to the road network.

  62. That occurred back in the days when Mr. Howard was in the throes of introducing as much user pay as he could get away with. Raising fees and charges and cutting back on contribution to the states.

    He did get to a surplus, but the people who paid where the lower income earners in the country. He was proud to introduce tax cuts, always to the rich.

    I believe the nexus between the states and the federal government in relation to money needs to be broken. Those who spend the money should be responsible for raising it.

    The founding fathers did not foresee that the federal government would have more powers than the states. In this I believe they were very wise.

    I am under the impression that in the war years the states transferred their power of collection of taxation to the federal government, allowing the federal government to collect taxes on behalf of the states.

    Over the years the on behalf of has become we will control what the states will spend, leaving the states responsible for the outcomes of the basic services that states have to provide.

    The GST was a con to, as Mr. Howard said, the states back some power over the money they need to run the states. It was a con because the states had give up many of the taxes, levies and charges they had control over. The GST is a con because they have little control over how it is divided up and can only lower or raise it if all states agree.

    I am of the belief that it does not matter what party is in control in the states, as the Federal government has manoeuvred itself by stealth in gaining control over what states do. Each federal government has tightened the noose a little more. This has been done by ignoring the Constitution, not changing it.

    This is my gripe that many are not concerned about. I believe that changes of this magnitude should be put to the people by referendum. It is time we bring back what Mr. Whitlam showed some concern about, that is another look at the Constitution, looking at how it is working and what if any revisions are needed.

  63. Pip, didn’t Hanson cop criticism last time she ran with some saying that she only did it for the $$s..this was when she decided to move to the UK before deciding that there were too many black people over there. Maybe her reason has a $ sign in front of it this time too given the lateness of her candidacy.

  64. Hi Min, that was my first thought. Being a candidate has been a nice little earner for Hanson in the past.
    Meanwhile, back to that Newspoll. Pure Poison over at Crikey put it in a nutshell.
    “According to the Newspoll survey last weekend 53% of voters say they are against the government’s plan to combat global warming with a carbon price that put’s up the price of gas, electricity and petrol.”
    Pure Poison wrote, “What a neutrally worded question”, which brings us back to Miglo’s link, 6th March, 6.47pm. really doesn’t it.

  65. Pip, a question that asked ‘are you against the government’s plan to combat global warming with a carbon price’ it still would have received a high level of Yes’s, given the negative publicity that we are being bombarded with, in my opinion.

  66. Pip, have another look at the photo above in my post. I still think it’s Hanson standing behind Abbott.

  67. Hi Miglo, you’re right. There is so much negativity doing the rounds, it makes my head spin. Not that I’m surprised at the new 7.30 Report tonight, but a good boxing of the ears of these so-called senior journalists is in order.

    Transcript of C. Uhlmann interviewing the PM.

    Uhlmann’s first question to PM: when you met with president Obama, did you press hi m on when the US will put a price on carbon.

    If Uhlmann really wanted to impress he would have mentioned the very hostile GOP to give the story some background, but no.

    Uhlmann’s second question: but if the United States doesn’t put a price on carbon, why should we.

    Etc., etc.,

    He then had a go about the Newspoll and finished with Abbott’s new line.

    Uhlmann: one more quick point on this: will you run a government-funded advertising campaign to try and turn community sentiment around.

    They showed a clip from 2007 of JG criticising Bonsai for advertising spending, but again, no context, they didn’t say what the advertising was about.

    I don’t know why we pay .9c a day to get a serve of Murdoch style trickery on the ABC.

  68. Miglo, she does look like Hanson but I think she was a Liberal in the past, or maybe even the present somewhere. I’ ve been trying to remember who she is for days…. thanks for that….

  69. All my gay friends have a great sense of humour.

    Despite being bedridden for most of the day I still had to go along to a meeting at the golf club this evening. Being one of the last there I missed out on a seat so was one of the few who stood in the corner at the back, directly alongside my gay friend L.

    I dropped something and bent over in front of him. Sensing his temptation I turned around to pick up what I’d dropped.

    L just lost it and fell into a fit of laughter.

  70. That’s very funny Migs, I have a few gay friends and they’re very quick with the quips as well.
    Speaking of gay friends, an old friend of mine has been with his partner for almost thirty years, while large numbers of my straight friends, and some relatives relationships didn’t make the distance, including mine.
    We’re on the wrong page for this discussion, but it doesn’t seem fair that they are treated as second class citizens.

  71. True about the sun, Pip. I think I was out in it too much on Sunday. We poor sods with Lupus are meant to give it a wide berth.

    But who’d want to be in Adelaide anyway? 😆

  72. I loved living in Adelaide, Pip, but I’ve been away from there for 10 years now (3 years in Port Augusta and 7 years in Canberra) and each time I visit I find that the appeal is wearing off.

    In Canberra everything is open 7 days a week, public holidays and all. I visited Adelaide last Easter and was amazed at the archaic shopping hours. Simply, everything was shut.

    The argument was that people want time off to spend with their families. In Canberra, people jump at the chance to work on a public holiday or a weekend to get some extra overtime in the pay packet.

  73. You’ve got me on that one, public holidays are not for shopping here. Bad luck too for tourists as well. Shopping hours arguments seem to have been going on for years and nothing changes, although I’m not sure whether this Easter will be different.
    However, it was good enough for neil diamond to visit last night and i was there!!! His voice is still amazing, if one likes his music of course!

  74. He might have been there last night, Pip, but he tended to give Adelaide a miss at the height of his popularity.

    Back in 1964 during the Beatle’s tour of Australia the promoters had planned to skip Adelaide. A local DJ (Bob Francis) pushed for an Adelaide concert and with huge public support – won.

    History now shows that 300,000 people were there for their arrival, lining the streets from the airport and closing down King William Road. It was the biggest crowd to ever greet the Beatles.

    Such hysteria was not been seen again in Adelaide until Port Adelaide won the 2004 AFL premiership.

  75. I think he said his first visit here was in 1976; [I was 5 at the time !!] sometimes it’s the promoters who choose the venue apparently, or so I’ve read, but that might be a furphy.
    I was in KW St the day the Beatles were at the town hall, and yes it was Bob Francis who made it happen. It’s all down hill for him now, he’s a bit of a shock jock these days but not as bad as Anal.

  76. I’ve heard him on YouTube. Yes, he is a pathetic shock jock who should be put out to pasture.

    Or sent to the glue factory.

    He’s a creep of the highest order.

    My stepdaughter had the pleasure of arresting him when he was caught shoplifting back in the 90s.

  77. Yep, but he got off and then went running to the press with claims he was victimized. But people in the know say he was guilty as sin.

    Just over 10 years ago I was walking down Glenelg with a lady friend just after her cancer operation. Fatty was walking towards her from the opposite direction but she wasn’t focused on him.

    Did he walk around her? No. He barged straight into her. He was too important to walk around her. I should have dropped the bastard, but my friend wanted no trouble.

    Yep, he’s a prick.

    BTW, I think the shoplifting episode was at Coles near the Central Market.

  78. He certainly fits in the grandiose category and I do vaguely remember that story now. You really should have decked him Miglo.
    I’m just watching the Uhlmann interview again on ABC24 and he was just plain rude, interrupting repeatedly, but thankfully the PM insists on finishing what she is saying.

  79. Hi Pip, I was requested to remove/hide the post for valid reasons. It was considered that a high amount of inflammatory statements were contained in the comments and they have been removed from public view.

  80. And speaking of innuendo, I just saw this

    ‘Carbon tax blamed for contributing to slump in consumer confidence ‘

    But what does it actually say

    ‘”While there is no specific evidence, we expect that the key negative for households … relates to the government’s commitment to introducing a price on carbon by July next year,” Mr Evans said.’

    Of course it can be blamed, who needs the evidence.

    Of course, massive unrest in the middle east and resulting uncertainty over the rise of petrol prices hasn’t done anything, has it?

  81. Tom also the fact that retail sales went into a slump in January/February had nothing to do with it either.

    Retail giants Myer and JB Hi-Fi have both warned retail conditions will remain volatile in the next six months as consumers hold on to their cash in light of higher interest rates and the impact of the Government’s new flood levy.

    It was that 99c which done ’em in.

  82. Tom R. I think Uhlmann and the rest of them get their information from interviews with other journalists.
    It’s no accident that they report the way they do, it can’t be or there would be some variation. I also made some comments about him last night but I haven’t got a clue which story I put it on…. :]

  83. Mr. Windsor, has pointed out that this is all it is, that within the document is many “if” and “could”, meaning that there is room for even the framework to be refashioned. Mr. Windsor, suggested, even ruling out the tax and going straight to a form of ETS.

    The Opposition has gone off at a fast pace, condemning something that does not exist at this time.

    The Opposition has little to say about the framework or what should be in it. The Opposition has set up a straw-man and is using that to scare the general public, especially the most vulnerable in society. It makes my blood boil seeing the fragile aged getting up at his meetings, nearly in tears, saying they cannot afford any rise in electricity. He knows, no matter what is adapted by Labor, these people will not be worse off. I am not sure how they will fare under his proposed scheme.

  84. A post I made elsewhere but I believes fits in here.

    I was listening on ABC Local Radio yesterday to a long servicing policewoman being interviewed on changes in policing during her time. What she had to say was very much the perception most would have. At the end of the interview she was asked what the biggest change has been. She replied, somewhat sadly that the biggest change has been the lack of respect for police. She went onto say that there is no respect for police at all today.

    We read every day of bullying and lack of respect of anyone in the playground. We have on a daily day, our radios promoting violence, name calling and insults against out politicians. We have our PM being bullied and called all types of names, except that of PM on the same stations.

    If someone happens to follow their urgings and ends up with a bashed up face, the urger quite proudly says he is glad about what happened, the victim deserved it. So it appears taking the law into your own hands is acceptable today. So is being assumed guilty without conviction.

    It is OK for many for a politician to go about the country spreading misinformation and straight out lies.
    It is OK for MSM to daily have headlines that have nothing to do with the body of the story.

    It is OK for sentences to be taken out of context and used to convey other meanings.

    It is OK for the words a person utters to be manipulated into other meanings. Nothing like what has in reality been said.
    I am also old fashion enough to believe that for the sake of civility in the community, respect for the offices people hold is important. If respect is not shown for the office of PM, Government General, royalty,, judges, police and many more,where will our society end.

    While adults hold to the belief they can do and say what they like, regardless of the conventions that cements a decent society together, no one has the right to condemn the young rife in the school ground and the community.

    When we rubbish what is good in our society, we trash all that is good.

    There are many good people in this wonderful country and is time we spoke up. Nothing will change unless we do.

    There are many ways of condemning the actions and character of those who misbehave in the positions they hold without destroying the positions they hold. It is also good to praise, if they are doing good in the positions they hold

  85. Pip, I wish that they would make up their minds flood levy, interest rates or potential carbon “tax”. I was speaking with one retailer who said that their chain was having problems obtaining goods from overseas and blamed the GFC. With fewer goods being manufactured overseas, this was causing problems for Australian retailers..we’re simply not a big enough market for manufacturers to cater just for us.

  86. Pip @1.47am, I don’t worry too much about the old shopping on public holidays chestnut. Not being able to shop on public holidays doesn’t seem to have done places like Paris, Rome and other touristy places much harm.

    Pubs, restaurants, movies, the Art Gallery, Museum and Library are all open and you can go to wineries in the Barossa and Southern Vales if you’re so inclined. There’s plenty to do and there are plenty of shops open on public holidays.

    However, if people’s lives will be so damaged if they can’t go shopping on public holidays, I think it’s only fair that everyone should go to work.

    After all, a shop assistant may want to renew their rego, organise a mortgage or insurance, go to Centrelink, the post office or other government departments in their lunch break.

    I think the 7 day a week schtick loses its gloss if you’re the one doing the 7 day shift.

  87. Hey Jane and Miglo, I hate to say this……Port beat GWS by 98 pts or 95, whatever, at Willaston, near Gawler. Beg Day.

  88. Surely you must be mistaken Migs – the Tigers play the Bulldogs on Monday night at ANZ Stadium…

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