The Wrecker…or Mr. Negabore comes to Canberra

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I find Tony Abbott to be one of the most uninspiring leaders ever to take the leadership mantle of a major party in Australia. His recent attempt to divide the Australian community over the flood levy issue gives us a pretty good idea of how this man would rule the roost if given the opportunity.  Bore, rant, lecture, divide & conquer. Go cheap.

I foresee a Prime Minister Abbott delivering unpalatable policy announcements in a dull as dishwater monotone voice …or acting the concerned citizen bathed in angelic light like a cornball star in some hokey American family drama…

or barking in parliament imitating a rabid dog as he criticises any opponents leaving no “hyperbole stone” unturned in order to get the attention he seeks…and bully his bills though…

even standing frozen in the limelight, mouth open & closing like a fish outa water…tongue suddenly springing forth to wipe nervous lips, alien in ‘V’ style…as the media pack turns on him due to a slip of the tongue…Umming and Ahhing until the cows come home…or some advisor, perhaps the devilish one that is perched on his shoulder, comes up with some snide joke he can use in a pathetic attempt to divert attention from the original topic.

Add the cheesy action man role when showing off his talents to the overseas troops…one moment baring teeth & ferociously pulling machine gun trigger like a character lost to insanity as he attempts to mow down those pesky Predators…the next standing around like a studio extra waiting for the doughnuts to arrive. In Abbott’s case, the cameras.

It’s CRAP to climate change science

NO to ETS

NO to Wild Rivers legislation

NO to NBN

NO to Flood Levy

NO to tax on mining super profits

NO to Trades Training Centres

NO to means-testing benefits such as the Private Health Insurance rebate

NO to GP “super clinics”

NO to government’s National Health and Hospital Network 

NO to public service recruitment for two years

NO to Unfair Dismissal Laws

NO to Morning After Pill

NO to confidence in PM Gillard 

The list goes on.

Tony Abbott’s as inspiring to me as an evangelical preacher who tells you that wearing a ring & attending a Christian rock concert is more fun than having sex. Yea RIGHT.

N’

58 comments on “The Wrecker…or Mr. Negabore comes to Canberra

  1. I’m not sure he’s even into electronic health records these days.

    Perhaps smoke signals are Tony’s preferred means of communication?

    N’

  2. Nas’, to add to your list:

    No gay marriage

    A return to faults based divorce, which Abbott has already stated via his idea of a 2 differing specifications on marriage contracts, supposedly so that people would have ‘a choice’.

    Direct attacks on reproductive choice via restrictions on the availability of abortion but could include availability of contraception.

  3. Good points Min.

    I remembered the gay marriage one…but didn’t put it up because unfortunately the Gillard govt. is no better on that issue.

    As tho divorce & broken marriages aren’t hard enuff w/out religious freaks puttin’ their 2 cents in?…by way of legislation.

    Migs, re: keepin’ on side w/ Oakeshot…hadn’t thought of that.

    I’m not sure tho that Abbott is as closet a racist as Howard when it comes to the Aboriginal people. Did he go on the “reconciliation walk?”

    N’

  4. “I find Tony Abbott to be one of the most uninspiring leaders ever to take the leadership mantle of a major party in Australia.”

    Yep. Depressing isn’t it.

  5. Nas’, I think that with the support/pushing by The Greens that gay marriage will be back on Labor’s agenda. The telling thing to me is that Wong who was once toeing the party line came forth with her support late last year. Plus you have the goverment supporting Adam Bandt’s motion along with Windsor and Wilkie..not sure how Oakeshott voted but Katter (of course) voted with the opposition.

  6. Nas’ I can’t remember whether Abbott attended the reconciliation walk either..but if he did then it would be meaningless to him, after all you can’t believe anything he says and presumably does unless you’ve got it in writing.

  7. I note that Abbott and Coalition after politicising the floods have launched an all out attack on Gillard and the government for “politicising the floods.”

    It is Abbott’s favourite tactic to throw back at his opponents his own malfeasance. Trouble is it appears to be working.

  8. “after all you can’t believe anything he says and presumably does unless you’ve got it in writing”

    Too true Min…as Damo says, it’s depressing.

    I like to see two or more inspiring leaders occasionally helping to unify the people during emergencies & such…and other times getting into fruitful, well argued, passionate debates. I don’t mind feisty when the times & issue call for it.

    I reckon Gillard would like to be more visionary & positive & inspiring…but is bein’ dragged down by the “usual suspect” media and Mr. Negabore and his team of whiners & finger-pointers who pour scorn on everythin’ & anythin’ from morn to nite.

    As I commented at The Political Sword,

    Turnbull’s still in w/ a chance if he can put aside the pompous-arse aspect to his nature…get up some courage…and act more like he did when he gave that firm, determined, articulate ETS-related speech in parliament. He needs to take the silver spoon outa his mouth & rub shoulders w/ some real down-to-earth folk.

    Even Julia has her “silver spoon” moments…includin’ the way she sat at the cricket. I prefer her more feisty, the rip out the throat Julia of parliament…like she was (kinda) much of the past few days. If the cock jocks don’t like her feistiness they can sit on their wads of cash & spin.

    Stuff ’em. It really irks me that Keating can get away w/ it…but when a woman shows some mongrel she’s referred to as “losin’ it” or “bitchy”.

    Time for many Australians to wake up and smell progress. Hillary Clinton can get away w/ feisty…Thatcher did…why not Julia? People didn’t seem to mind much when she wasn’t PM.

    Old fashioned thinkin’, stereotypes pushed…that’s what…by the usual suspect media caterin’ to the lowest common denominator.

    N’

  9. Min, I take it the new Chief of Staff is not this one:

    Ben Hubbard is a minor fictional character from the Superman films. He is a neighbor who looks after Martha Kent in Smallville while Clark is in Metropolis.
    (wikipedia)

    🙂

    but this one:

    Former Bendigo man Ben Hubbard appointed Gillard’s chief of staff

    http://www.bendigoweekly.com.au/?p=16777

    N’

  10. Sadly News Ltd’s propaganda machine has done a good job of mesmerising many Australians into collective amnesia. We need to do what you’ve started here, Nasking, and keep reminding people of just what he stands for.

  11. The ABC understands Ms Lampe’s partner has recently had twins.

    Might be a powerful reason as to why she resigned from a job that is 24/7.

  12. If you want to know what a Coalition lover sees in Tony Abbott, go over to Ad Astra’s latest blog on TPS and see jj’s
    ‘Why I love Tony’, Valentine. 😉

  13. “Sadly News Ltd’s propaganda machine has done a good job of mesmerising many Australians into collective amnesia.”

    Patricia,
    that organo-machine has been increasingly delivering anti-ALP propaganda since the mid 70s w/ the odd moment of balance for profiteerin’ & survival reasons…

    interestingly,
    In April 1975, Egypt’s HosniMubarak was appointed by Sadat as Vice President of the Egyptian republic. By ’81 he was President.

    From 1974 – 1975 Dick Cheney held the post of Deputy Assistant to the president.

    In 1976 Gerald Ford HW Bush Director of Central Intelligence.

    It’s obvious that Rupert Murdoch is past his use-by-date.

    N’

  14. ……after all you can’t believe anything he says and presumably does unless you’ve got it in writing.

    Even then he can’t be trusted, Min.

    It’s obvious that Rupert Murdoch is past his use-by-date.

    Has been for millenia, Nas’.

  15. On another Matter.

    Malawi is passing a law today to make farting in public an arrestable offence.

    Looks like that is one country I will need to avoid. 🙂

  16. “Let us, in these next two years-men and women of both parties, every political shade-concentrate on the long-range, bipartisan responsibilities of Government, not the short-range or short-term temptations of partisan politics”

    Yep – we’re looking at you Tony.

    No points if you can tell me who said it…

  17. Help! I was reading a brilliant long article about Murdoch and his murky past in an English newspaper? from a lead, I thought from here, when I lost power earlier this morning. Just can’t seem to find it anywhere. I’m sure it was in green, so one of ours, and just immediately below another local piece on the old bastard. I can see them in my mind’s eye, but now I can’t find them.

    Maybe I’m overtired. Need a post prandial nap. When I wake up maybe it will re-appear like magic.

  18. More on the Murdoch fallout:

    The Digger and the dirt

    I hope the splay of articles against Murdoch that are currently coming out don’t diminish anytime soon and his empire suffers because of it, though I won’t hold my breath as there was a whole slew of negative articles against Murdoch after he screwed the UK and moved to the US, yet he still grew his empire.

  19. Thanks for the link Min a well balanced view and a good story. Once again the hysteria of the blind is relfected in the responses to the article.

  20. Great link Min.

    Gittin’s is spot on:

    “Having narrowly lost the last election, he’s behaving like a spoilt child”

    This dopey & selfish anti-flood levy campaign news (see Mig’s post & Pip’s link) demonstrates once again that Abbott is a moral infant.

    I was actually thinkin’ the last 48 hours I’d been too hard on Abbott w/ this post…

    not anymore.

    UNINSPIRING.

    N’

  21. Nasking,
    Sorry to have to bring things down again but I feel I have to reply to your last post to me at TPS, and as Ad Astra has put up a new blog today I felt as though it wouldn’t be nice to put this reply up at the start of the blog. So, I thought I’d put it here. I mean no disrespect, however I just think I deserve a right of reply.

    Nasking,
    Please don’t insult my intelligence, nor basic humanity and care for another human being in dire circumstances., ie your wife’s friend. However, I feel more than over-qualified to comment in this instance.
    Let me just start by saying that I wish I could have kept working, it would have contributed to my financial situation in a positive way incalculably. I had a Profession as a Pharmacist, but I had to leave the workforce after my second child was born, as he was born with a Congenital Genetic condition which saw him spend the first weeks of his life in Intensive Neonatal Care, then the next few months in and out of Childrens Hospital because he had a temperature regulation abnormailty which caused him to be unable to keep himself warm throughout Summer! So he failed to thrive. So I think I know about special formulas and how expensive they are. Not only that but he and I went back and forth to Hospital, after we moved back from WA as soon as he was medically able to, 18 times in the first 24 months of his life. Then, only about 3 or 4 times in the next 12 months. However, the last of those Admissions to Hospital saw him spend one week in Intensive Care on the precipice of death. He was so bad that my parents rushed down from the North Coast of NSW to be with him. They virtually had to open a vein and pour medication into his tiny body constantly just to keep him going. Luckily, due to the magnificent expertise and dedication, above and beyond the call of duty, of the Doctors and Nurses in our Public Health System, he eventually recovered and left the hospital after a couple of months. I lived at the hospital with him through all of it. Leaving my Disability Pensioner husband at home to look after my Pre School-aged son, who had spent the last 2 years recovering from having all the Villi of his Small Intestine burnt away when he was given an Adult-strength antibiotic for his Pneumonia, which he had contracted at the Child Care Centre at the maternity Hospital in WA one day when my husband was visiting me and my 2nd child in Neonatal Intensive Care, where small children were not allowed. As I was preoccupied I never got to check the antibiotics which the local Pharmacist had mistakenly supplied to my husband for my eldest child, and which my husband dutifully gave him the whole bottle of. This also required ‘Special Food’, until he recovered.
    In fact, last year was the first year that my youngest son hasn’t had to have at least a term off school with illness. I think 3 weeks was the max. Oh, and did I mention the Speech Therapy, Occupational Therapy and Dental Therapy he has needed? Not to mention that I was nursing my husband through 3 years of Multiple Myeloma, the most serious form of Leukaemia. For which he needed a shed-load of special medication, Specialist Dr appointments that we didn’t get for free with Medicare, or the fact that all the toing and froing meant we wore out car after car because we could only ever afford cars on their last legs anyway. Plus there were long periods when we had no car, so spent heaps on Public Transport and Taxis.
    But I generally like to keep my complaints to myself, and just get on with it as best I can. Suffice to say I have developed a bit of an intolerance for whingers.
    Oh, and as can probably be extrapolated, all of this put an incredible strain on my marriage too, if you know what I mean.

  22. Feral,
    I understand you’ve had it tough. I’m sorry you had to go thru so much suffering…and complexities…as many of us do. Your circumstances were far from easy…are far from easy…and I commend you on your compassion and ability to overcome and deal efficiently with such immense hurdles. I’ve respected your capabilities for a good long time.

    But I think yer missing the point. You are not walking in that particular woman’s shoes. Perhaps she has made mistakes, who hasn’t?…perhaps she was left w/ enormous debts that were or weren’t of her doing.

    But this is not the first story I’ve heard like this of late. And until this government recognises that the strain on some families is reaching bursting point…and they begin to really show empathy & that they are listening & responding (in many ways they have but it is not being sold well enuff)…then it allows the talkback types & others to do more than just distort & exaggerate.

    How you & I cope and deal w/ issues and hurdles has no bearing on how others do & feel…apart from us being able to provide advice, assistance…perhaps ideas to government.

    That does not mean I don’t respect you as a passionate, intelligent, putting in fullbore effort individual.

    Cheers
    N’

  23. Nas,
    I know exactly what you are trying to say, but in saying it are you not advocating for the Nanny State, where people expect the government to solve all of their problems for them, and blame the government when they don’t?
    I just wish more people in distressing situatiions, such as the woman you describe, would stop looking to the federal government as the source of and solution to their problems.
    I mean, what is the federal government supposed to do to solve the problems, such as ‘Cost of Living Pressures’? It has become a favourite catch-cry of the Opposition too, as if they have a clue what can be done about any of it. In fact, due to the Howard government’s inaction on Climate Change and refusal to put a price on Carbon, or even contemplate it until the death throes of the government, thus providing the sort of certainty that the Electricity Industry were looking for so that they could make new investments in plant and capacity, we now have the sitaution where Electricity prices are going up and up, when they could have/should have been coming down. However, who do the uninformed blame? The current federal government, as if they have the ability to wave a magic wand and make everything better overnight. They don’t, and the smarter and more thoughtful among us know this, but the ignorant, like this woman and you, almost, don’t, and so the phoney ideas peddled by Tony gain purchase in the Public’s mind.
    Honestly, Nas, I’d love to know, in a concrete sense, what the government could do about the problems you and this woman, and plenty of others, so you say, are worried about?
    Cheers, and I love your work and your passion also.

  24. “just wish more people in distressing situatiions, such as the woman you describe, would stop looking to the federal government as the source of and solution to their problems.”

    Feral,
    this woman did not expect help from the government. I aired a concern I had about her welfare…and that others are feelin’ same.

    Yer use of words like “whingers” & “ignorant” & Nanny State etc. is just so over-the-top, judgemental & lacking in empathy. You know who it sounds like. 🙂

    I’m waitin’ for you to yell ENTITLEMENTS!!! 🙂

    Not everyone is a super money manager like you Feral.

    People doin’ it tuff who saw tax cuts (and unfortunately easy credit) helpin’ their bottomline are now lookin’ for a government that understands their needs…

    can work to fill in the holes where they & others they know are fallin’ thru those gaps.

    If the Labor govts who promised cheaper electricity prices before privatisin’ can help the ALP federal govt. to explain & deal w/ the rising cost of electricity then they better do so. This issue is losin’ voters. Full stop.

    And anyone who thinks that the ETS woulda made much difference at this stage of the game is ill-informed. It takes years to build & expand energy plants incl. solar projects & nuclear plants…and w/ the GFC, investment moneys slowed initially.

    This country has been livin’ off cheap electricity for yonks…eventually the infrastructure had to be dealt w/, maintenance, expansion, technician’s wages…it doesn’t help that private companies suddenly start scoopin’ up profits…benefittin’ shareholders & execs.

    Just lettin’ people suffer exorbitant electricity bills durin’ extreme weather in order to force the situation re: clean energy, does not win government any popularity.

    It’s time the government came clean on this issue (no pun intended) and started to manage it better w/ the states. Leavin’ it to vague comments & confusion…only feeds the talkback & tabloid lot.

    N’

  25. If the Labor govts who promised cheaper electricity prices before privatisin’

    Hang on that was Jeff Kennett’s famous claim after he put a sunset cap on prices that once it went down prices shot up.

    Also it was Howard who promised cheaper telecommunications and better service after the sell off of Telstra as is the promise of the opposition on the sell off of Medibank private. It was also Howard that promised cheaper education and health with the huge rebates and subsidies given to those private sectors and what happened within months of the 30% health rebate coming in.

    How is the Federal government supposed to “come clean” on mostly private electricity being regulated by the States? Take over all electricity and pay out tens if not hundreds of billions to the private companies and States?

  26. Good points Mobius.

    But it’s this government coppin’ the sh*t now…and not counterin’ it appropriately.

    For those who are havin’ a tuff time w/ electricity bills they don’t give a stuff about what Howard said or Kennett all those years ago.

    They’re not voting for Howard & Kennett.

    N’

  27. I keep hearing that this government should counter things, stand up and speak out but honestly under the current MSM regime especially with a hostile ABC and an aggressive opposition that can almost with impunity say whatever they like no matter how nasty or wrong, the government is more or less hamstrung.

    Within his first year Rudd attempted to speak out and justify his stance on several things but he got a constant barrage of being all spin and no substance, and that never let up. His every word, nuance and inflection was ripped apart whilst the opposition could say and do anything.

    That is what this government faces. You watch the moment they attempt to sell any good policy or bring up the good points in anything they have done. They either get ripped apart for it and accused of spin doctoring or the points get absolutely no media time anywhere, as it was with Rudd’s highly successful apprenticeship scheme. He articulated its merits, stated its successes and praised its flawless implementation but where was all this in the media, absolutely nowhere as they attacked some other piddling point about a salute, or his cat on the lawn or some other crap at the time.

    If you can tell the government how they can break through Nas then I will sing your praises across the innertubes but until someone can come up with some way of usurping the rabid right wing media in this country, including the ABC, then the government has not choice but to continue putting out positive messages and keeping a relatively low key.

  28. Sorry Nasking, but your case is lost here

    “People doin’ it tuff who saw tax cuts (and unfortunately easy credit) helpin’ their bottomline are now lookin’ for a government that understands their needs… can work to fill in the holes where they & others they know are fallin’ thru those gaps.”

    Is more government assistance or tax concessions at the cost of deferring major initiatives like the NBN really going to help people who rely on tax cuts and easy credit to help their bottom line, rather than their having to learn by harsh experience how to become better, if not ‘super’ money managers on the basic social wage Just ‘getting by’ or even living on the edge of poverty in this country at this time is still a damn sight better than life anywhere else on the planet.

    I didn’t have any of the health and employment issues which your example and FS have outlined. But I was a single parent after a marriage which alcohol destroyed. For years we felt poor and lived poor when all together. After the separation, when I was free to manage my own money and priorities, somehow magically we got by on what was basically the same income, though my other half still cried poor and lived poor. Now though we were running two cars instead of one and paying two lots of rent. Before and after separation we both earned what one could call the living wage. And there were few government allowances or subsidies, and no rebates on our PAYE tax.

    Do you honestly think that the one half of the marriage which failed to prosper (without two children to support) really should be encouraged to look to government to ‘fill the gaps’ which never stopped appearing between income and expenditure? True, my example is distorted by the less ‘super’ manager not having the children full time but the position could well have been reversed. Nowadays allowances are made for children, with subsidies and tax rebates and god knows what else. Some single families thrive in those circumstances. Others suffer. Just as they did fifty years ago.

    We even have tax rebates for people buying second houses, for god’s sake! Now there’s a budget savings crying out for attention! Many of us here are investors in the property market. Are we willing to forgo negative gearing so that the country can move forward with vital infrastructure, amongst which I would include the NBN. I was astounded to read your comments on this and other ways Labor should prioritise its budget this year.

  29. “If you can tell the government how they can break through Nas then I will sing your praises across the innertubes but until someone can come up with some way of usurping the rabid right wing media in this country, including the ABC, then the government has not choice but to continue putting out positive messages and keeping a relatively low key.”

    Mobius…I know exactly where yer comin’ from…but let’s face it, the government doesn’t seem to have gone out of its way to change the media structure…

    nor do they seem to feed info to anyone but the mainstream usual susopects.

    For one…the government needs to get on the front foot w/ announcements…that means making clear announcements of policies at times that the bulk of people are at home…and the media can’t just put up a snippet & distort it.

    That also means slippin’ in as many accomplishments, some in detail, as much as possible durin’ SKY AGENDA etc. Not just fartin’ on about “black holes”.

    Secondly, any reason they don’t have speeches like the “State of the Union address” in America?

    Thirdly, where are the informative pamphlets outside of those sent before elections?

    Fourthly,
    where are the many YouTube info vids we could be puttin’ up on blogs & emailin’ to friends & family?

    Fifth,
    don’t the ALP know any people who would make great radio jocks?

    Sixth,
    where are the ALP blogs & think tanks?…the Democratic Party & Republicans in America have them?

    Seven,
    where are the ALP messengers who should be knockin’ on our doors?

    Anyway, that’s a start.

    N’

  30. PatriciaWA and Mobius Ecko,
    Thank you for putting words in a different way than I could to basically get across what it was that I was trying to say also.
    Actually you made me remember another good point about people needing to learn to cope rather than expecting the government to just throw more money at them, when the going gets tough, in a feeble attempt to appease them for votes. Which was Howard’s way, and which many, it seems, are still suffering the hangover from.
    My point is that I wasn’t always a ‘super money manager’. In fact, I was beyond hopeless. I was lucky enough to inherit a house from my grandfather before I was 21. I put it up as collateral on my first Business, a Pharmacy in Nedlands. I thought I knew everything there was to know, having worked in someone else’s shop for a whole year, before buying one of my own. Money mistake #1.
    Money mistake #2. I didn’t think that the Interest Rate on my Business Loan, at 23%, was particularly onerous.
    Money Mistake #3. I let myself get ripped off by the people doing the Stocktake in the shop, who were associates of the person I was buying it off. They ended up with ~$10,000 more then they should have got, not to mention an overinflated Goodwill figure. They laughed themselves all the way to the Bank, at my expense.
    Money Mistake #4. I put too much new stock into the shop, which led to too many bills to pay.
    Money Mistake #5. This all occurred just before, “The Recession We Had to Have”. So, lots of people were without work and an income and thus didn’t have much discretionary money to spend in a Chemist shop.
    I went out backwards, as the weight of it all caused my Business to collapse, and also because I was too successful and my comnpetition down the road colluded with my Bank Manger to withdraw my overdraft just as I had to pay my Provisional Tax bill.
    I lost my house and my Business, and had to make an arrangement to pay my creditors. It took me 3 long years of having no control over my money to do it. Luckily I got a job at the Childrens Hospital, so it ‘only’ took 3 years to pay it back instead of 5, if I had no job. I didn’t want to just go Bankrupt because I had my pride, barely.
    That was when I learnt, through bitter experience, how to be a ‘super money manager’, Nasking. Maybe your wife’s friend should give it a try. It’s positively character building. Anything else after that which happened to me, I could cope with. Because you learn to either sink, or swim.
    Oh, and there amongst my creditors were a couple of Credit Card companies. Now I have a Debit card.

  31. Patricia, if you were astounded then you probably didn’t read the comments closely.

    But you make some valid points.

    “Many of us here are investors in the property market.”

    And this lady & others like her are not. And they WILL vote to change the government…unless the government can get their message across clearly, concisely, easy to comprehend, hard to distort.

    “Is more government assistance or tax concessions at the cost of deferring major initiatives like the NBN really going to help people”

    I said we might have to delay. Slow down. That doesn’t mean throwing it away. Perhaps modify.

    You said yerself that there are middle class rebates etc. that could be stripped back…then why not do that?

    Then perhaps the NBN work could be accompanied by somethin’ that also provides useful tangible evidence of a government program where money is well spent, like DentalCare.

    Card in hand…for every voter. Teeth in head. No more pain.

    “I was astounded to read your comments on this and other ways Labor should prioritise its budget this year.”

    BTW, what other comments re: budget astounded you?

    I like yer feedback. And passion.

    Cheers
    N’

  32. Nasking,
    The media simply aren’t interested in anything good that the federal ALP government says or does.
    Also I think I’ve figured out where your problem lies. You are getting sucked into the SkyTV alternative universe of Murdochistan.
    That’s another way I save money. I don’t give a brass razoo to Murdoch. It also helps me to see the world a lot more clearly and with the correct perspective. Even if you think you are being sceptical enough when you watch it, it has a way of worming its memes into your subconscious. As you have demonstrated over the last few days.

  33. “That was when I learnt, through bitter experience, how to be a ‘super money manager’, Nasking. Maybe your wife’s friend should give it a try. It’s positively character building.”

    Feral,
    you’ve made this personal. This is not you vs her. This is about a person workin’ hard, tryin’ to find a second job, who is findin’ it tuff…again & again…who one time broke down in tears…but asked for nuthin’.

    I say again, YOU don’t know her circumstances fully.

    I just think that takin’ a condescendin’ “I did it, they need to toughen up & get better at managin’ money like me” approach does not win the ALP votes in the end.

    It sounds just like Fox News & every hard-hearted National Party voter I’ve ever met.

    Why is it alright to help out an unemployed person…but not a struggling teacher who pays taxes?

    Why can’t the healthcare card benefits be broadened?

    When corporations are makin’ billions…and individuals…and governments are scared to help redistribute income…

    and workers & the disadvantaged are spendin’ time pourin’ scorn on each other…

    then some political economic theorists and others were correct in their assertions that the propaganda from the bosses media tools works to keep us fighting whilst they go on exploitin’ labour power…and doin’ their dirty deeds.

    Sad days indeed.

    When those teeth fallout…will they place them on their computer & say THANK GAWD FOR THE NBN?

    When those steep electricity bills lead to a heart attack of a middle-aged man because he’s terrified to put the air-con on, in extreme climate-change-driven heat…will the grandaughter, daughter or wife say: THANK GAWD I CAN USE THE NBN TO ADJUST THE TEMPERATURE?

    N’

  34. “Also I think I’ve figured out where your problem lies. You are getting sucked into the SkyTV alternative universe of Murdochistan.”

    Feral,
    as I said to you before…I make up my own mind on things. And I have been a major critic of News Corp/News Ltd for 10 years. But you know that.

    And we had this discussion on The Political Sword before…so I’m not sure why you’d bother bringin’ it up again.

    N’

  35. Nasking,
    I advise you to read Ad Astra’s blog about why we need the NBN NOW. There is no earthly reason why its rollout should be ‘slowed down’, especially not to buy off voters.
    I especially find risible your suggestion that money should be invested in Nuclear Power. It is one of the most heavily-subsidised ‘Clean’ Power options that a government can turn to to provide more ‘Cheap’ power that may lead to lowering Electricity bills. Also the plants you want now won’t be up and running to lower those Power bills for another 20 years, even if we started building a shedload of the buggers tomorrow. Which is long after your wife’s friend’s children have left home, and definitely 20 years of high power bills later. And this is coming from someone who put a motion through the ALP calling on them to drop their ban on the building of Nuclear Power Stations! Though my motivation was not so that power bills would be lowered anytime soon, but to provide low CO2 emission power into the future. However, I must admit that my cause is Thorium-powered Nuclear Power. A lot safer.
    Other than that, what can the federal government do to bring down power prices for people?
    Tell them to stop buying so many Air Conditioners, which chew up large amounts of increasingly-expensive electricity? That wouldn’t be very popular.
    Build large scale Solar Farms. Tick.
    Build large scale Wind Farms. Tick.
    Fund the R&D for Geothermal & Tidal Power. Tick.
    Approve Coal Seam Gas projects in Queensland. Tick.
    Approve the construction in WA of the Browse Basin project, which will provide large amounts of cheap natural Gas.
    Approve that other large WA Natural Gas project, whose name escapes me. Tick.
    However, you see, as the government is only barely 3 years old, and after 12 long years of Howard and various State governments letting things go to pot in the Power Industry, not putting a price on Carbon, and not putting in place the Infrastructure to take advantage of our natural assets, there is nothing yet to show for all this activity but people ARE now feeling the effects of Howard’s callous indifference to their plight. But they’re blaming the only government prepared to pull their finger out and put their hand in their pocket and provide the money to eventually rectify this situation.
    Sad, ungrateful bastards that they are.

  36. Nasking,
    That old man who has the heart attack can get immediate access to a Doctor or Paramedic BECAUSE OF the NBN.
    Anyway, you’ve still got your argument ass about. The NBN is an Asset, not a program. It’s a plus that if you cut will turn into a bigger minus. However, there is plenty of Howard-era ‘fat’ in the Budget that can be cut instead, and if the ALP grow a pair before the Budget in May, they’ll take the axe to it, and to hell with the squeals from the little piggies that are affected. Who would never vote ALP in their lives anyway, most of them.
    As for this Denticare/Dental Care you’ve been banging on about, why don’t you just hold your horses until July, huh? Then watch this space. I seem to remember that part of the Alliance deal between The Greens and the ALP involved Denticare, which has been ALP policy since Rudd anyway but there was no hope of getting it through the Coalition/Conservative Indie-dominated Senate. At least the ALP brought in the Teen Yearly Free Dental Check.
    Finally, as for me getting ‘personal’. Pot meet Kettle. Ascribing intentions towards me equivalent to a National voter and a Fox News outlet, well, what can I say? Other than nothing could be further from the truth. Other than that I only use my personal recollections to exemplify my points. Not to say I am better than anyone else because of it. Let me tell you, I have seen personal circumstances from across the spectrum of society and I don’t consider myself superior to anyone, nor seek to be condescending in any way. You misrepresent my intentions to characterise me that way.

  37. “I advise you to read Ad Astra’s blog about why we need the NBN NOW.”

    It’s a goodie. Have ya got a link?

    “I especially find risible your suggestion that money should be invested in Nuclear Power.”

    Feral,

    Fran make some useful arguments for it here (see comments):

    https://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/once-we-inspired-now-we-bellyache/

    “Tell them to stop buying so many Air Conditioners, which chew up large amounts of increasingly-expensive electricity? That wouldn’t be very popular.”

    That’s about as realistic as tellin’ people to stop buyin’ microwaves…it ain’t gonna happen. We’re livin’ in the real, modern world here…not savages livin’ off the land bonkin’ whoever on the head to get ahead, get land, get food, get a screw. 🙂

    “Coal Seam Gas projects in Queensland”

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/debate-about-gas-drilling-turns-toxic-20100924-15ql3.html

    “Anyway, you’ve still got your argument ass about.”

    civility? 🙂

    “The NBN is an Asset, not a program.”

    An asset to be paid for by taxpayers & then sold off?

    What a great price Keneaaly’s gettin’ for electricity assets.

    “That old man who has the heart attack can get immediate access to a Doctor or Paramedic BECAUSE OF the NBN.”

    He’s dead. But at least his family can SEARCH for a funeral home.

    “However, there is plenty of Howard-era ‘fat’ in the Budget that can be cut instead”

    Agreed. Like private school funding & rebates.

    “As for this Denticare/Dental Care you’ve been banging on about, why don’t you just hold your horses until July, huh? Then watch this space. I seem to remember that part of the Alliance deal between The Greens and the ALP involved Denticare, which has been ALP policy since Rudd anyway but there was no hope of getting it through the Coalition/Conservative Indie-dominated Senate.”

    Well, as long as the ALP don’t do a Blair & vote w/ the CONservatives to avoid spending on lefty programs.

    And anyway, they got the stimulus thru the senate…and the NBN etc. Why not somethin’ practical like Denticare?

    We’ll see.

    “Pot meet Kettle. Ascribing intentions towards me equivalent to a National voter and a Fox News outlet, well, what can I say? Other than nothing could be further from the truth.”

    I’m referrin’ to you vs the lady.

    And BTW, I call it as I see it. 🙂

    You have no trouble labellin’ me as a SKY NEWS infected one. Twice.

    Anyway Feral,
    thnx for the discussion…err debate. I’ve enjoyed it.

    I’m off for homemade pizza & a tinny or two.

    BTW, I’ve played a wee bit of devil’s advocate on here today (now I know how Neil feels…LOL)…as I let others know on another thread.

    My views espoused will come across as fairy floss compared to what’s comin’.

    Remember the attacks on Rudd?

    But I think it’s worth reflectin’ on some things I’ve said…as I will yers & others.

    Thnx for the useful feedback.

    Keep cool.
    Cheers
    N’

  38. Oh, BTW Feral,
    wanna have a bet that the ALP bring in nuclear power oneday?…or get mighty pissed that the Coalition beat them to it?

    I lived in Canada where opposition was pretty big when I was young.

    My family seems to have no probs w/ it when I ring them now in Canuck land. 🙂

    N’

  39. Nas,
    I hope the ALP are in power federally long enough to bring in Nuclear Power. Like I want them to. 🙂
    I hope they build heaps of Thorium Pebble Bed Reactors.
    It won’t do anything about people’s Electricity Bills now though. I also think Julia Gillard and Greg Combet, combined with the PM’s new Chief of Staff, will be more than a match for the Press pack. She outfoxed them before they brought down the Rudd government.
    Read Laurie Oakes column today? I think Tony Abbott’s the one who has to watch his back.
    Read Peter Hartcher’s column today? Who do you think gave him the drop on the story about the failed American imports who ran such a woeful, NSW Right-like campaign?
    I can’t wait for this political year actually. And, yes, it is good to thrust and parry here. 🙂

  40. I used to see hundreds of letters that were written to Kevin Rudd from angry constituents claiming that the government was doing nothing for them.

    Ninety five per cent of them had one thing in common; they were doing nothing to help themselves or their country. If they didn’t have a job, it was the government’s fault. If their rent was too high, it was the government’s fault. If they couldn’t have roast lamb every Sunday, it was the government’s fault.

    Some people just had no idea that their life was their own responsibility. That their predicament was due to their own making. That the tax payers of Australia weren’t there to help them if they weren’t prepared to help themselves first.

    These people wouldn’t get off their arse to try and get a job. They expected the government to find one for them.

    I found that the biggest whingers were those who were in positions of their own making.

  41. “I found that the biggest whingers were those who were in positions of their own making.”

    Migs…
    you & Feral & Patricia are hard-arses. Typical modern day Laborites. 🙂

    I bet you’ll be calling for cutting all kinds of middle class welfare next.

    Leaving the upper middle class in tears.

    All so you can keep yer precious NBN goin’…

    as tho saving lives of those in regional/rural areas by gettin’ access to top surgeons & specialists by way of broadband would be a top priority for any government.

    It wasn’t for the Howard government.

    As tho creating alternative businesses, trade & jobs, and enhancing same, in those areas by getting access to efficient broadband that doesn’t cut out when yer speaking to a distributor, investor, customer, including overseas one, would be a top priority for any government.

    It wasn’t for the Howard government.

    As tho improving households & schools & hospitals access to information…digital libraries, archives, adoption records, family tree records, government departments, documentaries, educational information and so on would be a top priority for any government.

    It wasn’t for the Howard government.

    As tho improving internet speeds & reliability, particularly useful during emergencies, would be a top priority for any government.

    It wasn’t for the Howard government.

    “And, yes, it is good to thrust and parry here.”

    Indeed 😉

    N’

  42. Touche! Nas. 🙂

    Btw, here’s a Poll Bludger’s answer to your statement that JG & Co. should just grow a Media pair:
    ‘The Australian media, from their ABC to Murdoch via Fairfax, is so hostile to this government.

    Those silly folk who say that Gillard just needs to change her media strategy need to realise that it is a bit like saying the North Korean opposition should try and change its media strategy to get more air time!’

  43. Feral,
    I’ve made a few suggestions above that show how the government can adjust its communication, media strategy…add some elements. They may or may not work…or be feasible.

    To just concede defeat when many people across this land are calling for adjustments, improvements to the government’s communication methods/strategies…now that would be silly.

    Most things can be improved if ya put yer mind(s) & expertise to it.

    N’

  44. Nas,
    Rest assured, Julia will not be letting the grass grow under her feet this year, nor will her Media team be letting themselves make the same mistakes twice. I have already noticed some changes in her/their media presentation.
    One of the first was her statement to the Press Pack that she had decided that this year she would not be chasing down the 24 hour Media cycle, like a Guinea Pig on a treadmill. Also, the recent departure of Amanda Lampe, from the NSW Right section of the Party, and replacement with her old COS, Ben Hubbard, will bring back further tautness to the operation.
    Also, Ihave noticed a better ‘Strategic Leaks’ operation, always the sign of a well-oiled government media machine.
    I’m sure, in the weeks and months ahead there will be more ‘improvements’. 🙂

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