Café Talk XV

Café Talk, Broken Hill edition.

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359 comments on “Café Talk XV

  1. “Everyone has the power to inspire and change the world”

    Some would rather destroy all within their path. Some rather demolish than build.

  2. :From the reports in this article the Americans are very lucky they have dodged a Romney President.:

    Sue, I hope we are lucky enough to dodge his counterpart here.

  3. It seems the rusted-on coalition mob have stopped listening to Tony Abbott :D

    The most interesting angle in the latest Westpac/Melbourne Institute consumer confidence index isn’t the five-point lift to put it back in positive territory and at a 19-month high, but who did the lifting: Coalition voters.

    Westpac chief economist Bill Evans attributed the improved confidence reading to the Reserve Bank’s interest rate cuts gaining traction with households. Funny thing is, only Coalition voters seem to feel that way. As the accompanying graph shows, Labor voters’ consumer sentiment has fallen for the past three surveys to be a little below its average of the past two years. Coalition voters’ sentiment has risen strongly over the past three months to be at that 19-month high. October’s cash rate trimming was the only rate cut since June.

    Maybe there’s another reason for the lift: the Tony Abbott effect is wearing off – Coalition voters aren’t running as scared since life as we know it failed to come to an end on July 1. It’s purely the Coalition voters’ swing that has made the difference to the overall survey. Their confidence reading hit an amazing low of 79 in July – the month the carbon tax started – but had climbed to 86.6 in October and added another 11.4 to reach 96.5 this month, not far off the 100 break-even point between pessimism and optimism.

    It strikes me as hard to argue that only Coalition voters have been moved by October’s RBA rate cut, but Labor voters are immune to monetary policy. On the other hand, this change in Coalition voters’ sentiment coincides with political polls indicating Tony Abbott has been sliding, that the electorate is growing weary of the scare campaigns, of the endless visits to factories to tell workers they are all going to lose their jobs and that the Australian economy is in dire straits when it remains about the best-performed in the developed world, albeit with an outlook this year that’s a bit softer than 2011-12.

    If that scare campaign is wearing thin after the sky failed to fall, it’s no wonder Coalition voters – the people who would have been most likely to take Abbott seriously – are feeling less pessimistic.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/coalition-voters-lifting-consumer-confidence-20121115-29e3f.html#ixzz2CGTkSW7R

  4. At least the yanks won’t have to listen to his dummy spits for the next 4 years.
    So Abbott will keep the title as the Loser with the longest dummy spit.

  5. Hey, I commented here around six weeks ago that things were starting to pick up and I was set upon by the economic gurus going the Abe Linkin’.

    I’m seeing it at the coal face and my colleagues, the butcher, the baker and the candle stick maker concur with my observations. Gee, I’ve been through economic downturns, the first was the ‘recession we had to have’ (which I hardly felt) but this one takes the prize of the worst…thus far.

    “The recession we had that they say we didn’t have.” It was a confidence thing, but good in the long term. People have consolidated and paid down the debt that was overheating the economy before the crash.

    Getting sick of politicians crowing about assisting business and creating jobs. The only jobs governments create are public service, associated contractual services and propping up unviable industries.

    Small business survives despite governments, not because of them!

  6. Public servants don’t spend money on landscaping, at butchers, at bakers? Maybe they’re a little averse to candlestick makers, I’m not sure.

  7. Small business survives due to a number of things including personal service and respect for the community in which they operate. Government in it’s turn can choose to support these same communities rather than the top end of town.

  8. The latest stats paint a grim picture of economic disparity.

    ‘THE richest fifth of households receive nearly half of all the wages paid in Australia but also get about 12 per cent of all government handouts, new research by the Bureau of Statistics shows.

    ‘The findings not only highlight big income disparities across the community but raise questions about the scale of “middle-class welfare” flowing to well-off families.

    ‘The richest fifth of households had nearly three-quarters of all savings.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/to-those-who-have-much-more-will-be-given-as-handouts-20121114-29cpv.html#ixzz2CGu4iG1o

  9. Middle class welfare has been defined as ‘encompassing tax concessions, cash benefits and public services. We take a narrow focus and look primarily at one issue that has received considerable attention recently – the provision of cash transfers to people of working age, particularly payments for families with children.’

    Both sides of parliament want to cut back on middle class welfare.

  10. Both sides, gordo? Do you mean to say that Abbott actually agrees with something the Government wants to do?

    Something amazing this way comes.

  11. Jane, pray tell, who would be the shame of South Australia at the moment? Certainly not our team. I see, incidentally, that Mrs Clinton was given a Port Adelaide guernsey as a gift. Personally, I think that’s the only reason she came here. Her boss will want one next.

  12. Cuppa, this shows how far removed Tony Abbott is from having empathy with..well..basically everyone. The article states that Abbott’s description “urban Aboriginals” was a little bit clunky..quite an understatement.

  13. Maybe e; gordo can explain why the Opposition screams every time some is taken away.

    Maybe el gordo can explain why Howard introduced so much in the first place.

    At least there is room to keep the budget in surplus, without sending the economy into freefall..

  14. Miglo, Min,

    It’s the sort of comment you’d expect someone like Bolt, with his “fair-skinned aborigines”, to make…. Abbott : Bolt as Liberals, they’re peas in a pod.

  15. ‘Do you mean to say that Abbott actually agrees with something the Government wants to do?’

    This does appear to be the situation…good strategy by swanny.

  16. Cuppa, on the one hand Abbott wants more Aborigines in urban areas then on the other hand he wants them to head off to the remote areas to look for work.

    I wish he’d head off to a remote area.

    Patagonia sounds nice.

  17. Both sides of parliament want to cut back on middle class welfare.

    But only one party means it.

    By the the way Bacchus, thanks for the link to Blogocracy last thread. And looks like scaper has been consistent all along. Sorry for the imputation scaper.

  18. ‘But only one party means it.’

    World economic turmoil leaves neither side any choice. When Abbott first got wind of it earlier this year he said Swan was ‘attacking’ middle class welfare, but he soon changed his tune.

  19. Tony Abbott will not do a scrap by way of any sort of reform. His paid parental scheme already gives the cream to the millionaire mums thereby making middle class welfare even worse.

  20. Whoever wins government next year will have to tighten the belt or risk sliding into a black hole.

    ‘Australia risks losing its AAA credit rating if it is unable to get its federal budget back to surplus by 2014, according to the global director of public finance at Standard & Poor’s Financial Services.

    ‘The official, Kyran Curry, has been a long-time primary credit analyst for Australia and told The Australian Financial Review that there are similarities between Australia’s relatively indebted banking system and Spain’s position before it began its rapid descent into its debt crisis.’

  21. eg

    looks like part of the quote is missing

    “Kyran Curry, global director of public finance at Standard & Poor’s, told The Australian Financial Review that there won’t be pressure to downgrade ratings unless something “cataclysmic” happens and the budget doesn’t return to surplus”
    http://www.startupsmart.com.au/business/the-news-wrap-budget-surplus-key-to-australias-credit-rating-sp/201211148180.html

    The quote has the emphasis on CATACLYSMIC which seems a tad more important than “not return to surplus”

    So AAA rating according to S&P isn’t under pressure, a slightly different story than AFR implies.

  22. Migs @6.19pm, well we all know who isn’t the pride of South Australia, Migs. I always knew Hillary Clinton had impeccable taste.

  23. CATACLYSMIC

    ‘The catch-up boom in China, India, Brazil is largely over and will be followed by a drastic slowdown over the next decade, according to a grim report by America’s top forecasting body.

    ‘Europe’s prognosis is even worse, with France trapped in depression with near zero growth as far as 2025 and Britain struggling to raise its speed limit to 1pc over the next three Parliaments.

    ‘The US Conference Board’s global economic outlook calls into question the “BRICs” miracle (Brazil, Russia, India, China), arguing that the low-hanging fruit from cheap labour and imported technology has already been picked.

    ‘China’s double-digit expansion rates will soon be a romantic memory. Growth will fall to 6.9pc next year, then to 5.5pc from 2014-2018, and 3.7pc from 2019-2025 as the aging crisis hits and investment returns go into “rapid decline”.

    Ambrose Evans-Pritchard UK Tele

  24. Migs. Cafe Talk 15, the Broke ‘n ‘ill edition….. ;) .. on ya
    El G, ” according to a grim report by America’s top forecasting body.” …. and they are ???

  25. el gordo

    Do you believe economic forecasters, or only when they suit your political agenda ?

    I learnt to take everything they say with a grain of salt around 4 years before the GFC. Their crystal ball is not one bit better than by 8 ball.

  26. Anybody who takes the slightest notice of anything a ratings agency says has got to be bonkers.

    Why don’t governments around the world tell them to just ‘f… off’

    Remember that these are the folk who parcelled up all those sub-prime mortgage derivatives (aka dog shit), stamped them “AAA” (for a fee) so enabling them to be flogged off to unsuspecting buyers such as your local government, who were bound by law to only buy AAA rated products.

    The bastards should all be in gaol.

  27. Re the ratings agencies interest in surpluses:

    Surpluses always presage recessions.

    Recessions benefit certain agents with the economy. Assets can be picked up much cheaper enabling portfolios to be “rebalanced”. It’s an ill wind…

    Ratings agencies are part of the “Wall Street” club.

    When you hear the cry for an urgent return to surplus, get ready to be screwed. (unless you’re one of them)

  28. I too thought that warning about our credit rating was complete bonkers.

    We have a deficit, and have had for a few years, but we still managed a AAA rating. We were showered with praise over our handling of the GFC at the local level, yet this involved creating a massive deficit as well.

    Me thinks someone is talking rubbish.

  29. Treasurer Wayne Swan believes re-elected United States President Barack Obama has a clear mandate to solve the fiscal cliff problem in a way which protects the most vulnerable, but has warned the impending crisis could batter Australia’s economy.

    In an address to a union conference today Mr Swan will say that the president’s mandate should ensure the top two per cent of America’s wealthiest pay their fair share.

    “This is not just a political argument. It’s also an economic argument,” he will say…

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Obama-has-mandate-to-protect-needy-Swan-23H6X?OpenDocument&src=tnb

    Yes, the economy may be travelling fine, but it is in a fragile world. Can we trust Mr. Abbott to keep it so.

    Aside. The fine of BP amounts to three months profits. Sometimes figures sound greater than they really are.

  30. At least Mr. Swan is attempting to tell us how he is going to raise productivity. Does not seem to have much to do with lowering working conditions. Evidence shows that the opposite is true. A well trained, highly paid workforce , lifts productivity.

    ……….Mr Swan will also tell the conference that the new Chinese leadership will be under no illusions that substantial reform will be required if China is to continue its impressive growth performance in the years ahead.

    He also believes the G20, a grouping that Australia will host in 2014, is the central forum to provide strong global leadership.

    Australia will join the troika overseeing the group’s activities from next month, along with Mexico, this year’s G20 host, and Russia, the 2013 host.

    “We will take this opportunity to ensure that lifting growth and delivering jobs is the G20′s top priority,” he said………….

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Obama-has-mandate-to-protect-needy-Swan-23H6X?OpenDocument&src=tnb

  31. Since the carbon price was put in place on 1 July 2012, the available information suggests the economy is still growing, jobs are still being created, underlying inflation and wages growth are moderate, interest rates remain low, the credit rating agencies have reiterated the triple-A status of Australia and share prices and the Australian dollar have, on average, risen.
    While there are challenges ahead for the economy, a sober analysis of the Australian economy would categorise those challenges as either unfolding events from offshore, or issues to do with the high dollar, monetary policy and the budget surplus objective of the government. No one in their right mind would suggest the carbon tax is having anything other than an infinitesimal impact on the big picture momentum of the economy…………..

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/carbon-price-credit-rating-shares-economy-jobs-pd20121115-23G3H?OpenDocument&src=eiw&ir=4

  32. Could the cold hard facts be the reason that Mr. Abbott has lost his foothold in popularity. Not the nasty names that it is alleged the PM calls him.

    Could the fault be Mr. Abbott’s not the Labor handbag brigade?

    …These are the hard facts. Some would point out the early payment of carbon compensation boosted retail sales prior the carbon price began. There could also be a longer time frame in terms of the flow through to the CPI. Time will tell. Most other indicators are volatile and will have been driven by things completely unrelated to carbon.

    The point of the exercise it to note the economy is still rolling along with patchy growth from sector to sector. The carbon tax was a Mickey Mouse event in terms of its impact on the macroeconomy – as it always was going to be. At the same time, international investors continue to hold Australia in the highest regard and talk of wrecking balls through the economy were and are disingenuous. That said, the price on carbon will reduce carbon emissions – which is in fact what all the fuss should be about….

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/carbon-price-credit-rating-shares-economy-jobs-pd20121115-23G3H?OpenDocument&src=eiw&ir=4

  33. Could the PM be correct?

    ………..”This is a time when you only win if you do the work, when you only succeed if you shape your own future.”

    She went on to urge business leaders to give her government credit for its achievements in a difficult economic environment, according to The Australian Financial Review.

    “Take away the politics, look at what the market is saying about us,” Ms Gillard said, according to the AFR. “Australia’s budget is one of the seven economic wonders of the modern world.”……….

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Asia-the-key-to-future-success-Gillard-23DNF?OpenDocument&src=eiw&ir=3

  34. Will we have Workchoices back, plus extension of the GST. I believe do.

    Mr Howard said the case for food being included in the GST rests on the fact that it is considered “inelastic”, referring to the fact that even when food prices increase, customer don’t alter their food spending habits.

    “The demand for [fresh food] is inelastic, whereas most other spending is elastic,” Mr Howard said, according to the AFR.

    “The electorate voted in favour of a GST in 1998 that covered food. We took that to the public in 1998, we lost a lot of blood along the way but we won. We had a mandate, but Labor and the Democrats refused to support the GST.”

    Mr Howard’s comments come as the Business Council of Australia has called for a review of the GST.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Howard-weighs-into-debate-over-GST-reforms-pd20121115-23PVC?OpenDocument&src=eiw&ir=3

    Sorry about the cut and paste, but these are stories we ignore at our peril. If Mr. Abbott will not tell us, we have to look for clues elsewhere.

  35. ‘Do you believe economic forecasters, or only when they suit your political agenda?’

    Economic forecasters notoriously get it wrong most of the time, but on this occasion they might be right.

    Both sides of politics in Australia are advised that prudence and thrift maybe required in the coming decade. The electorate expect nothing less than a sound economic ship to weather the storm and they will vote accordingly.

    Middle class welfare is history.

  36. “Economic forecasters notoriously get it wrong most of the time, but on this occasion they might be right. ”

    Of course they might be right “this time” because it suits your agenda el gordo, no other reason at all.

  37. I never used to like Hilary Clinton but she’s been steadily growing on me over the last four years. Could she be the next US President?

  38. ‘…because it suits your agenda el gordo, no other reason at all.’

    Economics dictate the conversation, they are transfixed on what might happen. Spain, France and Greece are already in depression, so it stands to reason that middle class welfare is history.

    Hate media keeps on digging up muck…its a disgrace.

    ‘SENIOR union figures effectively covered up a fraud scandal revolving around the AWU and Bruce Wilson, then Julia Gillard’s boyfriend and legal client, according to the diaries of the union’s then national leader.

    ‘In a September 15, 1995, diary entry, Australian Workers Union head Ian Cambridge described the concealment to a union official as “a bit like the Watergate scandal whereby the attempt to cover up the original crime was now far worse perhaps than the original crime, although given some recent revelations the original crimes were taking on an entirely new dimension as well”.

    Hedley Thomas in the Oz

  39. Tax equates to evil according to billionaire Twiggy Forrest

    Today i heard that Twiggy considers himself “a good man” thus he has to challenge the mining tax because he is fighting evil . i head that he used the quote about “good men speaking up”, this comes within a week of learning that Detective Fox said:
    “I’ve made the comment that the turning moment for me was a forum at Newcastle where Peter Fitzsimmons, the radio DJ from down here, made the comment, “Evil flourishes when good men do nothing.” And I sort of felt that perhaps he was directly talking to me. And I thought, “Well I’m not prepared to sit back and keep my mouth zipped.”

    Twiggy go stick yourself down one of your own mines , @rsehole

  40. “There is no evidence Ms Gillard had any knowledge of the redundancy payments.”

    Hedley Thomas in the Oz

    Yet they will keep making no allegations about nothing, repeatedly

    YAAAAWN

  41. Miglo

    iview? for catalyst

    Great show but scary. What annoys me though is that where has our media been especially on the story of how the heatwave in the water of WA coast in 2010(?) has destroyed part of ningaloo reef. the fact that whale sharks travelled as far south as albany to escape the heat of the water.

    has anyone seen a report in the media about how parts of ningaloo reef have been destroyed?

  42. No evidence??? Watch that space as it seems that all the cheques were processed at once and some interesting hand writing on the back of one of those that read…”Please pay Jim Collins total amount by bank check made out to Mr Mark Barnes”.

    I’ll give you a clue…JEG.

    Oh, the Victorian Police have commenced a criminal investigation into the matters and Blewitt will be giving them a full statement. Enjoying the slow burn?

  43. I’ve heard Abbott at his press stunts say that removing the carbon tax is a good start to reducing costs. So why don’t the stoooopid media challenge him with the fact that the Coalition government puts 10% on every bill due to GST and Liberals are calling for GST to be increased. the electorate was lied to about the GST, it was supposed to remove other taxes but we all saw it was applied to bills after other “levies” were applied. Yes tax on tax. and didn’t that take a long time to be challenged.
    Further GST is tax for the states but in some States by taking “dividends” from their government owned businesses, costs to consumers have risen sharply, so of course the GST increases. So in effect States get a double dip of revenue off the consumer.

  44. Sue… coral is bleached because of stress caused by warmer or cooler conditions…its natural.

    ‘Ningaloo Reef’s first major coral bleaching event was recorded in July 2006.
    Bleaching appeared to be caused by cold temperatures: aerial exposure of corals caused by a low spring tide and a high pressure system occurred during a period of cold air temperatures.

    ‘Observations made during an aerial survey indicated that bleaching occurred along most of the Ningaloo Reef. Bleaching was restricted to shallow-water corals in back-reef and patch-reef environments which were dominated by plate and corymbose acroporids.

    ‘Submerged corals appeared to remain unbleached. The most severe bleaching was recorded at Pelican Point (Figure 1) where approximately 83 per cent of live hard coral was bleached.

    ‘Corals recovered from bleaching within three months. Subsequent field observations suggest reef-wide recovery.’

  45. How global warming is driving mass coral bleaching.

    “On a world scale coral reefs are in decline. Over the last 30-40 years 80% of coral in the Caribbean have been destroyed and 50% in Indonesia and the Pacific. Bleaching associated with the 1982 -1983 El-Nino killed over 95% of coral in the Galapagos Islands and the 1997-1998 El-Nino alone wiped out 16% of all coral on the planet. Globally about 1% of coral is dying out each year.

    Because reef-coral have adapted tolerance to a narrow band of environmental conditions, bleaching can occur for a number of reasons, such as ocean acidification, pollution, excess nutrients from run-off, high UV radiation levels, exposure at extremely low tides and cooling or warming of the waters in which the coral reside. Typically these events are very localized in scale and if bleaching is mild, the coral can survive long enough to re-acquire new algal partners. So bleaching in itself is not something new, but mass coral bleaching on the huge scale being observed certainly appears to be, and represents a whole new level of coral reef decline.”

    Ocean warming is driving mass coral bleaching.

    See I can post stuff without reference too, and it tells a different story to the one el gordo attempted to convey even though the basis was correct.

  46. ‘dark corner’

    A Deltoid dungeon is depressing, like a dark corner, but the CO2 Affair has star billing here thanks to the efforts of treeman and rabbit.

  47. ‘the reef = gone forever’

    If aunty said it, then its propaganda.

    You would be surprised how resilient coral can be, its been around a little longer than us.

  48. True scaper, but the mine host here doesn’t demand summary executions for a minor straying outside of the confines of that thread :lol:

  49. Hey, you said you would not respond to this ‘nasty piece of work’. A bit of consistancy would be appreciated.

    I do look at the other place and I haven’t been there for over a year and my name still comes up…a collective soggy Sao session. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

  50. The right wing trolls want the Liberals in. They can’t wait for the Liberals to get back in and resume the war on the workforce.

    Looking back to the WorkChoices period, the biggest losers were women and younger workers.

    The right wing trolls know that if the Liberals get back in women and young workers will be the first to be attacked by WorkChoices MKII.

    They know it will happen, they know what to expect, and they can’t wait.

    They can’t wait for their daughters and grandkids to be SerfChoiced.

    That’s the morality of the RWF – a big fat negative.

  51. ‘A bit of consistancy would be appreciated.’

    The other day somebody in parliament called someone else a ‘nasty piece of work’
    and I thought it amusing.

    We don’t have history or anything in common, although soggy Sao session is funny.

  52. ‘Or are they?’

    Technical expert comrade Rabbit is still here, but I can’t fathom the disappearance of treeman.

    He gave me the impression he liked the cafe and was going to hang around.

  53. You’re too modest, eg. The AGW site was put up because, like many others, I got sick of your GC, GW, LIA’s, BIA’s, MEW, IGW etc, etc,etc.

    I was simply VFS of it. Now back in ‘your’ dungeon! :)

  54. Scraper, I think Bacchus was referring to another thread, not another blog. Rabbit put up a climate change thread and I’m guessing that’s what Bacchus meant.

    If I’m wrong, shoot me.

  55. Does anyone realize, all the Australian investigators are doing, are going over the diaries and notes of the original investigators. If nothing was found then, why would it be found now.

    What they are doing, is reading their own meanings into notes and jottings.

    As for Blewitt, cannot imagine his word carrying any weight.

    Nothing new has been produced. Nothing at all.

  56. There’s a bit of history there Roswell. EG, in her usual tiddle-tattling style, on “another blog”, mentioned that she wouldn’t respond to scaper at the Café as he was “a nasty piece of work.” ;)

    It was also there that she made the allegation that Treeman had been banned from the Café…

    If you want a good example of “a piece of work’, EG fits the bill nicely.

  57. This Workchoices mark whatever will not happen. If they tried it on again there would be a base and internal party revolt.

    IR remains a problem, hard to find that ballance. Oh so simple in days of the Accord.

  58. Thanks Bacchus. I saw that Min said Treeman isn’t banned and suggest to el gordo that she stop making stuff up. I’m guessing that el gordo yearns for some trouble amongst bloggers.

  59. Be careful what you wish for, Roswell….
    scaper…
    Fri 08 Jun 12 (09:08pm)
    Yep, a Colt 45. A single action long barrel revolver just like Whyatt’s. The last line of defence as if getting charged I can fan off five shots. It is holding the trigger down and fanning the hammer with the left hand…very effective.

    It is a six shooter but always leave the lead chamber empty when holstered, saves shooting oneself in the foot.

    What would a romp in the wilds be without my electric banjo?

  60. Perhaps an idea might be that instead of trying to obtain notoriety for ones self, to actually ASK..preferably before spreading falsehoods.

  61. IR remains a problem

    Or not

    Here’s a surprise: amid all the headlines about the demise of Australian manufacturing at the hands of our strong currency, militant unions, interfering governments, poor productivity and the solar eclipse, employment in the manufacturing sector actually grew in the year to the end of August.

    What’s more, productivity also has been improving and is now running at a bit above the average of recent years – admittedly faint praise. It still adds up to the standard liturgy chanted by the high priests of business being as dangerously outdated as the Catholic Church’s celibacy and men-only rules.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/manufacturing-not-dead-just-dieting-20121116-29gk5.html#ixzz2CMOjBKvM

  62. obtain notoriety for ones self

    I reckon it is more the expected tummy rub that drives those comments from grodo over there Min ;)

  63. Rabbit, the Colt is legal as one that is an exponent of marshall arts, it is standard requirement.

    From Jack’s…never reported back on my pig hunt out near Charleville last winter. The property I stayed at has a most amazing history. It was central to the shearers strike that led to the formation of the Labor Party.

    A bit more research at Jack’s might reveal my stunning hunting attire.

  64. Had a visit from SIL the other weekend Min. She was telling me of her & hubby’s visit to http://www.crystalcastle.com.au/ to celebrate finishing her chemo. I’d imagine you’d be familiar with this place, being in your old stamping ground :)

    She bought herself some crystal earrings to wear while she’s going through her radium treatment – she still raves about the light through the pretty pink crystal in her bedroom ;)

  65. ‘I’m guessing that el gordo yearns for some trouble amongst bloggers.’

    That’s not true. Have you given any thought to the proposition that I might be paranoid?

  66. Excellent link to the NBN article rabbit – tells it like it is, especially wrt the state of the copper network. Installation is due to start here early next year :)

    Bring it on…

  67. @ 4:32 Scaper, I seem to recall that. Reminded me of Ivan Milat. :D

    A colt is certainly suited to the marshal arts!

  68. When I organised my new Telstra connection on the Central Coast, one of the conditions I had to agree to was that, when the NBN came through, I had to connect.

    Bring it on….

  69. When right wingers use weaself-phrases such as

    We’ve got to get the IR balance right

    that is Lieberal code for:

    Cut the pay and conditions of my neighbours and loved ones. Abolish their job security. Take away their holidays and shift loading. Open them up to executive tyranny.

    Right wingers are masters of spin and deception. (They have to be in order to pull the wool over the eyes of the public). Don’t listen to what they say; watch what they do.

  70. I was sipping on a 2004 St Henri today thinking about Clive Palmer.

    You know, I would call him “diamond encrusted trailer trash”.

    Speaking at a function next week, might use that little gem to break the ice.

  71. Thanks for the link, Bacchus. El gordo aspires to be a nasty piece of work, and I’m disappointed in that.

  72. “I was sipping on a 2004 St Henri today thinking about Clive Palmer.”

    I didn’t know a 2004 St Henri had aphrodisiac qualities.

  73. Rabbit, the Colt is legal as one that is an exponent of marshall arts, it is standard requirement.

    It’s “martial arts,” dingus.

  74. ‘…and I’m disappointed in that.’

    And I’m disappointed that you haven’t bothered to drop into RTB….Min’s thoughtful post is going to waste.

  75. Oops, I forgot all about that, el gordo. My humble apologies. Maybe later tonight I will drop on of I can remember.

  76. rabbit I believe you might get if before me, even though I am a few kilometers away. Do you have to sign with Telstra.

    I am last on that list. Hope I live long enough. North and south of me are getting it now. .

    Just my luck.

  77. silkworm @6:26 PM – “marshall arts” is an old joke on scaper from way back in the Blogocrats days (joni’s blog) I think…

  78. So the marshal has been marshalled through martial training?

    Reminds me of the kid I taught that couldn’t work out ‘which witch is which witch’. :D

  79. CU, I’ve checked out the NBN, and where I’m going, doesn’t register. Back to ASDL as opposed to ASDL+2 that I am getting now. :(

  80. ………..There is a solid body of evidence that tells us that income inequality and economic growth are negatively related. Rising inequality probably undermines the growth potential of a nation.

    Nations that enjoy the longest periods of growth are those that are also moving toward greater equality of income and wealth. The evidence is fairly clear that rising inequality undermines the capacity of nations to grow in sustainable ways.

    Even the IMF (April 8, 2011) – Inequality and Unsustainable Growth: Two Sides of the Same Coin? – concluded that:

    … longer growth spells are robustly associated with more equality in the income distribution.

    A prerequisite for resolving the unsustainable imbalances that led to the financial crisis will be to dramatically redistribute income back to workers – so that real wages growth closely tracks productivity growth and workers in sectors with little union representation are able to similarly participate in national productivity gains.

    So fiscal interventions that not only work to ensure there is sufficient aggregate demand to sustain high levels of employment but also aim to dramatically reduce income inequality are both growth-friendly strategies. That is, there is no trade-off of the variety that dominates undergraduate textbooks in economics………….

    .http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=21698&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+economicoutlook%2FFYvo+%28billy+blog%29

  81. So we really believe in equity. I do not believe the Liberals do.

    ….In every year between 1985 and 2005, fiscal policy (i.e., direct income taxes and transfers) decreased the average Gini in 25 OECD countries by about one-third, that is, by around 15 percentage points …

    They document nation-by-nation breakdowns of the extent to which fiscal policy has played a role in reducing income inequality up to 2005.

    Significantly, the design of fiscal policy matters:

    Most of the redistributive impact of fiscal policy is achieved through the expenditure side of the budget, especially non-means-tested transfers, although income taxes are also important in many economies.

    This bears on the current debate where mainstream economists claim that the bulk of the fiscal consolidation that they recommend should be on the expenditure-side with tax cuts being favoured for the rich.

    It will be of no surprise that the process works in reverse. If governments attack the expenditure-side (entitlements, transfers etc) and provide further tax breaks to the high income earners they not only will worsen income inequality but also undermine the growth process, both in the short-run as a result of the austerity, but also in the longer-term, by engendering higher inequality.

    http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=21698&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+economicoutlook%2FFYvo+%28billy+blog%29

  82. No, Mr. Abbott, we do not need your cuts. We do not need austerity.

    …The policy developments that undermined the gains in reducing inequality were directly responsible also for the crisis. And what is worse, they are the same policies that are being promoted as a solution to the crisis.

    But as the riots all around Southern Europe are starting to tell us – people are no longer believing the lie. The solution that the elites propose to end the crisis – fiscal austerity – will only make it worse. Fiscal austerity is failing and has been failing for some years now. Look at Ireland – it started to destroy itself in early 2009. It is now the end of the 2012. No recovery should take that long and no recovery requires things to get much worse before things get better.

    A properly scaled and designed fiscal intervention can not only maintain existing levels of inequality (and reduce it further) but it will also be able to provide for instant employment and income growth. A public sector job offer to an unemployed person is instantly expansionary. The effect is immediate. The same cannot be said for monetary policy interventions. ………

    http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=21698&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+economicoutlook%2FFYvo+%28billy+blog%29

  83. rabbit, you needed to go south of the Entrance to Springfield I think, or to Belmont North. Looks like we are both in the last to hook up. I think around Morriset is also getting it earlier. Not fair.

  84. ………….The administrator of the Health Services Union’s NSW branch has launched legal action to recoup union funds alleged to have been fraudulently obtained by its former boss Michael Williamson.

    HSU administrator Michael Moore has also taken legal action against a number of union officers, including national secretary Kathy Jackson and former HSU East acting general secretary Peter Mylan over resolutions relating to “significant salary increases”, the NSW Supreme Court heard today.

    However, Justice James Stevenson was told Mr Williamson would be seeking a stay on the matter until his criminal charges have been dealt with.

    Mr Williamson has been charged with a total of 48 offences, including defrauding the organisation of $620,000 paid to his wife’s company for services never provided.

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    Police have alleged CANME Services, registered in his wife Julie’s name, received 47 cheques totalling $620,326 between 2001 and 2009 for work not performed.

    Mr Williamson is also a co-director of the company United Edge, which has gone into administration and which allegedly received millions of dollars from the union in exchange for computing services.

    Hugh Stowe, representing the HSU, told the court the claims involved CANME and United Edge, as well as “certain council resolutions” which led to the salary increases.

    The court heard Mr Moore had also launched proceedings in the NSW Industrial Relations Commission, while Mr Mylan had brought Federal Court proceedings against the HSU………….

    Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/national/hsu-suing-williamson-to-recover-funds-20121116-29hea.html#ixzz2CQHr5Yr1

    Maybe they are going after Mr. Thomson as well, but I do not see his name here. I do note that Ms. Jackson gets a mention.

  85. CU,
    Further to your links to Bill Michell above, he also had another essay during the week on a related subject, the supply-side “trickle down theory” (“Republican Agenda – Simple and Venal”) wherein he quoted J.K. Galbraith:

    “Conservative politicians often use the concept of trickle-down as it suit the interests of the cohorts they represent. The great Canadian institutionalist economist, John Kenneth Galbraith summarised trickle-down notions in this way:

    If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows.

  86. OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott has vowed to establish an ”e-Safety Commissioner” to tackle online bullying and end the ”hands-off” approach adopted by social media companies such as Facebook.

    Echoing his regular ”stop the boats” mantra, Mr Abbott said a Coalition government would ”stop the bullies”.

    ”We are determined to ensure that as a country, as a society, as a culture, there is zero tolerance of cyber-bullying,” he said. ”We don’t accept bullying in the schoolyard. We can’t accept bullying onli

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/stop-the-bullies–abbott-puts-his-case-for-cyber-house-rules-20121116-29hqf.html#ixzz2CQPn80ch

    Maybe it would be cheaper if he just led by example. Another outlay by Mr. Abbott.

    Could be good, but who knows. Sounds more about politics.

  87. Might be hard to do. Suggest another Abbott brain fart.

    “………It has suggested setting up a children’s e-safety commissioner with the power to monitor online content and seek the removal of harmful material.

    However, given most large social media websites are based overseas and therefore not subject to Australian law, the scheme would rely on “cooperative regulation” between the government and affected companies.

    The policy would require the websites to have a clear complaints process, but also allow the commissioner to issue a take-down notice if there was a clear problem with the online content which the complainant was unable to resolve………..
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-16/abbott-flags-plan-to-curb-online-bullying-of-children/4376620

  88. Notice that the lousy Liberals are targeting social media (Facebook, Twitter etc) as sources of “bullying”.

    As far as I can see, the media outlets responsible for most of the bullying – and very public bullying it is, too – are the shock jocks and RW newspaper columnists.

    Of course, we don’t hear a squeak from the Liberals about THOSE sources, because, without exception, shock jocks and the Bolts, Akermans, Albrechtsens etc are Liberal boosters.

    So the Liberals, in their typical hypocrisy and playing of politics whatever the issue, vilify and target the only media access that doesn’t discriminate against non-conservatives – that being the very democratic New, or Social, Media.

  89. It appears we do have a choice. The low wage, low cost, low living standards or the high road. I would rather we went down the high road.

    Australia is once again faced with a fundamental policy choice – the “low road” of narrow cost-cutting and an unwinnable race to the bottom, or the “high road” of longer term dynamic efficiency gains in a knowledge-based high wage, high productivity economy. While there is clearly a range of factors influencing productivity performance, the report proposes a “high road” productivity strategy with a focus on three empirically grounded and integrated policy measures.

    These policy measures are first support for enhanced innovation capability and performance of firms, including new business models, systems integration and “absorption” of technological change; second, adoption of transformative management practices, drawing on improvements in management education and engaging with the full spectrum of talent and creativity in our workplaces; and third, expansion of participatory work organisation methods and improvements to skills formation and skills utilisation so that firms and organisations can achieve their potential.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Australia-productivity-terms-of-trade-GFC-pd20121114-ZZV5C?opendocument&src=idp&utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=134969&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary

  90. Tomorrow’s landline might be worth a peek.. Looking forward, looking back. About irrigation history. Suspect we will hear Labor mentioned more often than the Coalition, unless it is connected to selling off..

  91. Cuppa @ 11:20. You’re absolutely on the money there, mate. We social media ninjas find this a wee bit hypocritical of old Tones. And as you say, he should start with his pack dog mates at the News and 2GB.

  92. ………..yeah, me neither. Just skip them now, and avoid any paper that, by placing one on the front page, is telling me that everything else inside is even less worth my attention.

    Carry on wasting your time then, media and Liberal Party.

    Oh, and just so you know what effect your obsession with this non-story has – it increasingly conveys that you’re really not all that confident in your attacks on what an “incompetent failure” she’s actually been in office. If someone has a good argument against a government policy, they don’t spend all their time on 17 year old smears that months and months of desperate effort still haven’t managed to turn into an actual allegation of wrongdoing……….

    http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/those-gillard-awu-scandal-stories/

  93. For once, I agree with an article in the Australian. I do not believe that Labor or minority governments are a problem.

    What is the problem, is the changing relationships, especially since the last great war, between the states and Federal governments.

    There appears to be a takeover of state government functions by stealth, by the federal government. Whether it is in the AREA OF FUNDING, OR THAT OF RESPONSILITY.

    Australians lose faith in federalism
    From: AAP November 17, 2012 5:58AM

    AUSTRALIANS are disillusioned with the federal system and are losing faith in the national tier of government, a new poll has revealed.

    According to the third biennial constitutional values survey, two-thirds of Australians do not believe state and federal governments are working well together, with confidence in the federal government as the most of effective level of government falling from 50 per cent in 2008 to 29 per cent.

    The findings, published on Saturday in The Australian newspaper, also revealed 38 per cent of Australians believe the federal system is not working, as opposed to just over 30 per cent in 2008.

    Former NSW premier Nick Greiner told News Li………………

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/australians-lose-faith-in-federalism/story-fn3dxiwe-1226518546585

  94. Its straight out of rake….

    ‘CRUCIAL court files detailing the Australian Workers Union’s discovery of internal fraud 17 years ago and the fight to overturn redundancies to dodgy union officials – including Julia Gillard’s former boyfriend Bruce Wilson – have mysteriously vanished.

    ‘Yesterday the Federal Court confirmed that key documents filed in the Industrial Relations Court’s Queensland registry in 1995 by then AWU national president Bill Ludwig had been lost in the past nine months.’

    Joe Kelly in the Oz

  95. [Update: there appear to be some issues between what NBNco and the contractors (referenced in this article) count as being a 'connection'. That's in the process of being ironed out. Nonetheless, the general themes below all stand.]

    [Update 2: Jim Madigan, NBN Account Manager at SPATIALinfo - a Victorian contractor for NBNco - confirmed to us that what the contractors said at the conference stands - albeit with a slight variation. To clarify: for the first half of next year the contractors will be passing 6000 homes per day. For the second part of the year they will be passing AND CONNECTING 6000 homes per day. This means that the rollout speed is EXCEEDING the aims of the NBNco corporate plan which aims to pass 6423 premises per day in 2015. This will doubtless be discussed further in other articles but for now, the primary points of this article stand.]

    Of the many broadband forums in the world, NBN Realized, which ran in Sydney yesterday, may not be the most glamorous. It focuses on the actual building of the network and was attended by the people who are on the ground installing cables to the houses, over and under the streets along with the people who make the cables and networking infrastructure. While no one wanted to go on the record directly, there was consensus from key players in the room: building a Fibre to the Node (FTTN) infrastructure, in terms of raw construction costs, as promoted by the Coalition, is now unlikely to be a “cheaper” option than the current Fibre to the Premises plans.

    There are already many arguments to counter clai………………

    http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/11/16/3634499.htm

  96. Is this what afflicts the Sydney shock jock audience – brains intoxicated by carbon pollution? Another good reason they should be supporting measures to reduce carbon pollution, not be taken for fools by Liberal shills with microphones.

    Air pollution causing cognitive decline in seniors

    …Dr. Allshire’s results revealed that participants that were residing in areas with high air pollution had poor scores on the cognitive function tests. After taking into account several factors that had included age race/ethnicity, education, smoking behavior, and respiratory and cardiovascular conditions, the link still remained the same.

  97. The last paragraph in the article is indicative of the pathetic childish mindset of Labor and their supporters!

    HEY!, I resemble that statement.

    Meanwhile, I see hedley has asked a lot of ‘new’ questions that not one in the assembled throng of reporters (who apparently have hedleys number and could well have contacted him for these ground-breaking questions) when the PM addressed the matter.

    ruawake answers them ;)

    * HAVE you ever received funds into your bank account from the association or any other account owned or controlled by anyone from the AWU? Have you ever made inquiries as to whether that occurred?

    Yes – incriminated.
    No – incriminated

    Great Q Hedley – in fact it was two, old journo trick. FAIL.

    * Was the Commissioner for Corporate Affairs in Western Australia misled as to the true nature of the AWU Workplace Reform Association, given you later described it as a slush fund?

    Nope even if it was a slush fund he would have approved it.

    * Was the unauthorised description of the slush fund as being a related entity of the AWU misleading and deceptive?

    No – Is News Ltd deceptive using news? It was set up for legitimate reasons.

    * What was your precise role in the registration of the association?

    Told ya already. :P

    * When did you first become aware that the inclusion of the AWU’s name in the title of the slush fund enabled cheques intended for the AWU to be deposited into accounts operated by the association?

    Never? Were any? Ask the Bank if they cashed em.

    * Was this the only such incorporated re-election fund that you helped establish for union clients as their solicitor?

    Why, is it wrong to establish a re-election fund?

    * Did your failure to open a file at Slater and Gordon prevent your fellow partners from ascertaining a conflict of interest?

    Nope, as you have published they knew about it.

    * Did your failure to open a file and your decision not to render a bill to the AWU for your work prevent the AWU from finding out about the unauthorised passing-off of its name?

    Nope, see above

    * Do you accept that as a solicitor acting for the AWU that you were in a position of trust to the AWU?

    Yep.

    * Before you helped Ralph Blewitt purchase an investment property in Melbourne, what inquiries were taken of his capacity to repay the loan?

    Ask the fucking bank you tosser. :P

    * When did you discover this was a sham transaction with Blewitt the purchaser in name only, who never provided funds for the purchase, while Wilson controlled the asset with a power of attorney you witnessed?

    When I told him to piss off.

    * Why did neither you nor Slater & Gordon – on being made aware in mid-1995 of fraud concerns related to Wilson over the Victorian slush fund – not alert anyone in the AWU to the existence of the association you had helped to establish, and which bore the name of the AWU (the firm’s client)?

    Because I was not aware it was fraudulent. Its really simple.

    The only question hedley appears to have forgotten is “when did you stop beating your partner?”

    It really is noddy land out there. reams of articles, Talkin’ Loud and Sayin’ Nothing

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/dear-diary-notes-on-a-scandal/story-fng5kxvh-1226518420713

  98. Meanwhile, it is good to see Labor taking their gloves off with this rubbish. Of course, they will be accused, by both the opposition and their media mates, of playing in the gutter. Well, my response would be, “It was your chosen site for the battle, don’t complain now that we have met you there!”

    Julie Bishop’s time as a solicitor for asbestos miners is under the spotlight

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/julie-bishops-time-as-a-solicitor-for-asbestos-miners-is-under-the-spotlight/story-e6frezz0-1226518743163

    The money quote from bishop

    “It would be appalling for someone to draw some moral equivalence between my role in the Wittenoom case and establishing a union slush fund.”

    Yes, who could draw an equivalence between a lawyer setting up a perfectly legal authority that was then abused without her knowledge, to someone trying to delay legal proceedings for victims who are dying. She is perfectly correct, there is no moral equivalence.

  99. Yes, I can compare the actions that Ms. Bishop and the alleged actions the PM took as similar.

    One was to allow a company to avoid meeting its obligations in looking after those who developed fatal diseases from the working environment of the workplace of Hardies. Actions that were later proved not to be legal.

    The PM set up a fund that she has stated clearly she did not know was to be used for illegal purpose. The body the PM set up was not in itself illegal.

    Yes, there is a difference. One was set up deliberately to do people out of their rights. Dying people at that.

    ,

  100. The PM, in my understanding did file the setting up the trust fund in her miscellaneous file. What she did not do is set as a separate file. I would assume this to be normal practice for one off and others.

    What Hedley is doing, is going back through old records of the investigations, reading his own meanings into them.

    I know, if I went back through my old work diaries, where I recorded each day, comments and interviews each day, they would make little sense today. One had to read them in the context of what was occurring at the time. Some would be answered, without the questions. Another would be scenarios that could be. One is inclined to write in shorthand.

    One can read anything into any writings, if one has spent years looking for what may not be there.

    This is what Hedley is basing his story, and the memory of dubious people from twenty years ago.

    Time to give up.

    Ms. Bishop is lacking in forensic investigation skills. Every question she asks goes nowhere.

  101. Tom, I love your summing up. Shame is, this is what the PM is saying.

    Also, Hedley has been asked to bring any allegations of a criminal action, and she would be happy to reply. This has not occurred. There is no allegation of the PM committing a crime. There are no new allegations, or so called facts.

    All there is, is guilt by association and rumours and innuendo.

    What is also true, many other journalists are moving away from the Australian assault. Which by the way, has not pleased Hedley.

  102. any allegations of a criminal action

    even any allegations of immoral actions would be fine. We don’t even get that. All we have is hyperbole and superlatives, wrapped up like accusations, but with no action allegation to them.

    Hence my comment, ‘do you still beat your partner?’

    It is designed to assume guilt, without any evidence to the contrary.

    As I said, why didn’t Hedley, or a ‘journalist’ (whom I assume can use a phone) ask them. Probably because they were asked, in different guises, and to have asked these ones, would have unleashed the kind of ridicule ruawake just did.

    IMO, I think the PM should have a sit down interview with hedley, and embarrass the living daylights out of him. Make him very aware that her legal team is ready and raring to go.

  103. “Air pollution causing cognitive decline in seniors”

    Cuppa, this complaint, I have found can be halted by one taking up blogging. Not only stops the decline but reverses it.

    It appears one has to use the brain, like everything else, or one loses it.

    I offer my sincere thanks, to Migs, for letting me find this out.

    I

  104. scaper, yes, Labor has it spot on, who would show up.

    If this had the PM as a witch, adorned with sexual aids, you would find no fault.

    Mr. Abbott is known for his ability and perseverance in saying no. What is the problem?

    Time for the right to get a sense of humour, and accept if one dishes it out, it is generally returned.

    Time to develop a thicker skin, and not be so precious.

    Yes, Min, they did choose the gutter for the fight to occur in, The Coalition, that is.

    “……There’s a clear choice this Christmas: enjoying Nigel’s famous mango daiquiris, or a Labor Party obsessed with Tony Abbott. Which would you rather attend?” said one senior Liberal figure.

    Moreover, the Coalition party is free.

    ……..Depending on who you are and when you pay, Labor’s shindig costs between $25 and $50 a head. Mr Abbott may be the Grinch but Labor is Scrooge.

    A Labor staffer returned fire: ‘‘The Coalition’s has to be free otherwise no-one would turn up. They’ve got to bribe staffers with free booze……….

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/how-the-grinch-stole-christmas-in-canberra-20121115-29dnr.html#ixzz2CWocT7iU

  105. Tom, I believe that the PM is already making a fool of him at PCs, One hears someone, I assume to be Hedley screaming out questions in an angry manner in the background, The PM gives a flip answer, moving onto the next person. One then hears the screams continuing. Not very professional. No one ever follows with a similar question that Hedley has asked.

  106. …And what a Pandora’s box of coincidence and historical cross currents there is, as Bishop pursues Gillard over her role in creating a union slush fund when working for Slater & Gordon, a law firm that made history fighting for workers’ rights in asbestos cases.

    In the 1980s, working under her married name Julie Gillon, Bishop was deeply involved in some of Slater & Gordon’s biggest asbestos cases.

    Lawyer Peter Gordon told Australian Doctor magazine in 2007: “We had to fight even for the right of dying cancer victims to get a speedy trial. I recall sitting in the WA Supreme Court in an interlocutory hearing for the test cases involving Wittenoom miners Mr Peter Heys and Mr Tim Barrow. CSR was represented by Ms Julie Bishop (then Julie Gillon). (She) was rhetorically asking the court why workers should be entitled to jump court queues just because they were dying.”

    Bishop denies that entirely. “Absolutely not. At all times I acted on the instructions of the firm’s clients, CSR Limited and the state government insurance office. I acted professionally and ethically. I utterly reject Peter Gordon’s version,” she said. “It would be appalling for someone to draw some moral equivalence between my role in the Wittenoom case and establishing a union slush fund.”….

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/julie-bishops-time-as-a-solicitor-for-asbestos-miners-is-under-the-spotlight/story-e6frezz0-1226518743163

    Did not the PM act on the instructions of her client.

    Also after watching that show this week about the Hardie sage, the solicitors seemed to have played a big role.

    Do not solicitors also advise clients. I know that when I have ever been unlucky to need a solicitor, I expect them to solve my problems. I do not tell them what and how to do anything.

  107. From above.

    Wittenoom miners Mr Peter Heys and Mr Tim Barrow. CSR was represented by Ms Julie Bishop (then Julie Gillon). (She) was rhetorically asking the court why workers should be entitled to jump court queues just because they were dying.”

  108. G’day and Happy Birthday Migs…… *clink*…..
    Did any one notice the last part of the Coalition BBQ invite about ‘People need to be mindful that any damage…etc….. In other words NO kicking doors in, NO punching walls, NO,NO,NO or it will come at a cost to the person responsible…. take note Tony :D
    LMFAO… :lol: :lol:

  109. I believe we are in the midst of much rewriting of history, from those from the right. We do need to be aware, and challenge their white arm band version we are being inundated with.

    “………..Another victim of the Iraq war, where the civilian death toll has been estimated to be at least 110,000.

    EVERY politician tries to rewrite history to his or her own advantage but if the rewrite is too far-fetched, they are likely to get caught out.

    Take, for example, former prime minister John Howard’s comments to the Australian Financial Review on Remembrance Day on his decision to commit Australian troops to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He said he followed closely what happened to the servicemen and women who returned home.

    ”I speak of that in a personal sense. It was a decision that at the time had the strong support of the community. Certainly the dispatch to Afghanistan – the sending of the troops to Iraq was more controversial.”

    More controversial! It was outright opposed by the vast majority of Australian people and a majority of people around the world. The protest marches around Australia on the weekend of February 15 and 16, 2003 – a month before the invasion – were bigger than any anti-Vietnam protests of the 1960s. Polls showed that before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, two-thirds of the Australian population opposed participation in the war without United Nations approval.

    The United Nations never gave its approval. This wasn’t just due to China’s or Russia’s refusal to go along with the war. Other world leaders did not swallow the lies pedalled by the Bush, Blair and Howard governments. Western democracies such as Canada, France and Germany did not participate in the ”Coalition of the Willing”.

    The public opposition to the war was despite a relentless campaign of support by the News Ltd media empire. Some 175 Murdoch media outlets worldwide were reported in the Guardian newspaper to be pro-war, none was anti, a somewhat surprising statistic given the attitude of the public in countries such as Australia and Great Britain, where the papers were sold…………

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/howards-sketchy-memory-on-iraq-20121117-29izk.html#ixzz2CXEPmmin

  110. Abbott’s failure. Not in residence of government house last Christmas, or this one it seems. sdaly for Mr. Abbott, it is as the PM predicted.

    ….They said Labor’s relentlessly poor showing in the opinion polls would reach critical mass within caucus and force a return to Kevin Rudd.

    But much has changed, thanks to a confluence of political and policy eventualities that have strengthened her hold on the leadership and, perhaps, Labor’s electoral fortunes.

    Alan Jones’s ratings might have gone up, but his comments about the Prime Minister’s father dying of shame swung public sentiment, across political persuasions, behind Gillard in a way that perhaps no Australian political leader has experienced………………….

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/the-ticking-time-bomb-of-power-20121117-29iqn.html#ixzz2CXIY3670

  111. When Abbott won the job, three years ago this week, it was by one vote with two absentees. It is said that one absent himself from the vote.

    If my memory was correct, it was Mr. Turnbull;’s support of Rudd;’s action on man made climate change legislation.

    My reading from that, the more than fifty percent believe in the legislation.

    What the numbers are now, one does not know, but I suspect, it does not support the Direct Action model.

    What we do know, is the fact that Mr. Abbott is going backwards at the speed of knots.

    The PM now claims the PM is not fighting fair, is fighting from the gutter.

    All they are really saying, the PM is capable of playing them at their own game.

  112. CU, do you really believe no one would turn up at the Liberal Xmas event if they had to pay $50??? Most probably, as only a hateful childish person would lower themselves to actually believe that statement from some nameless staffer who was trotted out.

    Got to laugh at the newest distraction as they are getting desperate. Yes, PG would say that because his head will also be on the chopping block.

    This story won’t cease as there is much new evidence that is being drip fed and Gillard has not answered one question.

    You say that Gillard has nothing to answer for. Well, for starters…a declaration that one has witnessed a legal document when in fact one was over the other side of the country plus back dating such signed document is fraud.

    That is just one of many.

    There will be a Royal Commission into the unions. I shake my head at people that support this lot of criminals…if these allegations were levelled at Abbott you all would be screaming for blood. You all must be proud of yourselves.

  113. No, scaper, that is the interpretation that some are putting on the document.

    Be careful, there has been no criminal matters connected to the PM. If there is, Mr. Abbott would be running with it.

    As for the Christmas Party, a little sense of humour would go a long way. All it is doing, is playing up Mr. The Abbott’s habit of saying no.

    I would not pay to go to an Abbott party. Who is meeting the cost?

    There are no new allegations for the PM to answer.

    The so called new information is coming from the papers of the original investigator.

    Does one not believe he would have directed questions to the PM, at the time.

    .

  114. Thank you for those kind birthday wishes, even the cheeky one from Bacchus.

    I’ve finally shaken off the manflu (and the subsequent near death experiences) and now I’m lumbered with an aggressive hangover.

    My drinks must have been spiked. :oops:

  115. Migs, you might be suffering a near death-like experience caused by ‘spirits’.. I’m sure you will be in a lighter mood when thems ‘spirits’ leave your body.. :D

  116. LOVO

    Does the spirit have any weight. Do we all we have one.

    There must be spirits, otherwise why do we have all those ghost stories.

  117. To the best of my knowledge, the weight of ‘spirits’ is measured in fluid ounces ;)
    As for ghost stories im guessing that one look at Migs at the moment would support the theorem of the ‘dead’ walking amongst us….. :lol:

  118. Since this is Cafe Talk…. my son goes to Stewart House over in Sydney tommorow.. do I have anything to worry about or (as I suspect) is it ‘all good’ …. sorry if Im going a bit off thread …. but I am a bit of a worry wart :)

  119. LOVO, unless things have changed dramatically, I would not worry. Under the auspice of the education department, I believe. Staff would be fully vetted.

    Just check hair tonight. Can be embarrassing.

    I had the only girl running away. They were very surprised when I told them she was accompanied by three or more boys. Not too sure whose idea it was.

    Everything worked out OK. I did not hold Stewart House responsible. I am sure they have tightened procedures. That was decades ago,

    Everything was so bad at home at the time, she was to frighten to stay away. Not sure who she was protecting, my ex or me. The ex by the way that had been kicked out, but took up residence in the garage, until the police moved him on.

    The other two younger ones were only too happy to stay at Stewart HBosur, they had more sense.

    LOVO, they so a wonderful job. Lets hope the weather stays good. Not that it seems to matter to the kids.

  120. ME, that was a good speech. Have been waiting for someone to comment. Anyone, even if they run it down.

  121. LOVO, as an ex teacher I don’t think you need to worry about Stewart House. It is a fine institution generously supported by NSW teachers. You’re son will have a fabulous time. (BTW you’re still allowed to worry…not that it will do much good :D )

  122. May be Ms. Bishop, the younger, is learning how it feels.

    What do they say about people who live in glass houses.

    Peter van Onselen like a ‘political stalker’, says Bishop

    ……………………………..The apparent feud between beleaguered shadow treasurer Julie Bishop and high-profile political commentator Peter van Onselen descended further this morning, after the Member for Curtin labelled the respected author her “political stalker”.

    The political pressure on Ms Bishop and her performance heightened over the weekend, as she was forced to strongly defend her performance and lashed out at some of her more vocal critics.

    This is just one of a whole series of interviews and articles he has written.

    One of those was Mr van Onselen, who wrote a scathing column criticising Ms Bishop’s talking up of attendance at Harvard, and recounting her apparent plagiarism of a passage in a chapter of book he compiled.

    Speaking to the ABC this morning, Ms Bishop refused to directly answer whether she believe her position was secure – saying only she was committed to the role.

    Advertisement

    But Ms Bishop was much more forthright in her opinions of Mr van Onselen, repeating her claim he had an “obsession” with her……………………..

    Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/peter-van-onselen-like-a-political-stalker-says-bishop-20081201-6odb.html#ixzz2

    CY8NmhP7

  123. LOVO, as Cu mentioned things have changed remarkably over the past decade or so. From what I have seen, Stewart House is all about positive encouragement with the aim being to boost self-esteem. A little self-esteem can go a very long way.

  124. Cu @4.35pm..don’t tell me that J. Bishop’s performance is finally coming under some scrutiny..no wonder she doesn’t like it.

  125. Thanks Cu,Min, Rab’s…. my James is a lovely kind hearted soul, but some what chubby.. which has left him open to bullying at school…. and that has taken its toll on his self esteem…… if Stewie House can get him to eat just one type of fruit, I will be hugely grateful….. thanks for the feedback, I’m hoping that this will be a positive fork-in-the-road for him…… ;)

  126. Isn’t it the case that the claimants for funds from the Asbestos Victims Fund have to be alive.

    Is it not the case that the estates of Victims of Asbestos cannot claim or continue the claims for compensation.

    I may be wrong, however, I have heard that there are even attempts to delay proceedings when Asbestos victims enter palliative hospitals.

    Therefore allegations that Julie Bishop in her role as a lawyer , acting for a client to delay proceedings when it is known that delays mean less payouts , will fairly/unfairly tarnish the lawyer, even if it were over 20 years ago.

  127. LOVO, If it’s any consolation my youngest refused anything other than a very monotone diet until she was well into her teens..then peer pressure did it’s thing…so I would expect that when your lad sees other children eating fruit, he’ll join in.

  128. I remember watching an interview where Julie Bishop said she attended Harvard Law School.

    It was only much later that it came out that Julie Bishop attended a summer school at Harvard.

    Julie bishop caught out for plagiarism in writing and in projection.

  129. On Insiders this morning Gerard Henderson said
    “Howard had a very good relationship with Indonesia”

    David Marr’s interjection
    “Was that apart from the War in East Timor?”

  130. That was another rewriting of history sue. Howard had a nothing relationship with Indonesia and like the US and other Western countries supported Suharto as a dictator.

    It could be justifiably stated that Howard being in for over a decade mostly ignored it during the great expansion of Indonesia to where it economically overtook Australia, instead Howard focused on the failing US.

    Chalk up another Howard failure and lost opportunity during his watch in a long line of lost opportunities.

  131. Howard had zero interest in our region, but preferred to play Tonto to GW Bush’s Lone Ranger. The only time Howard mentioned Indonesia was in relation to “coming down hard on………….” (insert what was currently popular in the shock jock circuit).

  132. Reminds one of Hawke’s Accord, which did work by the way.

    …………The Federal Government will set up a new forum to allow businesses, community groups and unions to discuss major economic policies.

    Last week, Business Council of Australia boss Tony Shepherd called for a return to Hawke era accords, to unite opposing groups and get them to work together on major policies.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard has asked Mr Shepherd and Dave Oliver from the Australian Council of Trade Unions to help set up a National Economic Reform Panel.

    In letters sent to the pair, she says the panel will take contributions from civil society groups and establish community consensus, while the Government implements the recommendations of the Asian Century White Paper.

    “Australia’s greatest asset is its people and our success depends on ensuring we have the right settings for human capital formation,” Ms Gillard wrote in the letters.

    “This is a shared policy priority of each of the Government, the ACTU and the BCA, and I want this to be the initial focus of the Reform Panel.”

    The ACTU has welcomed Ms Gillard’s plans.

    Secretary Dave Oliver has told Radio National that cooperation can be achieved.

    “The way to address this is to get employers, business, unions and government working together to look at how can we deal with the significant challenges confronting us – about trying to spread the benefits of the mining boom and diversify our economic base, and a look at exploiting the opportunities of putting our country to be a high skilled, high wage economy in the Asian century,” he said…………..

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-19/national-economic-reform-panel/4379138?section=business

  133. Another diversion from Gillard but the main game will not change.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/we-already-work-with-business-actu/story-fn59noo3-1226519388464

    Oliver reckons that the unions already work with business besides…everything Gillard touches turns to shit so it is best to leave things alone.

    Four files on the AWU fraud have now disappeared, I’m sure the loyal supporters here would just dismiss it as coincidence. HAHAHAHAHAH!

  134. Wonder who benefits from files missing after nearly twenty years. All disapeared in states with Coalition governments.

    Who knows even if the alleged documents ever existed.

  135. ………………However, it would seem Kathy Jackson has a new friend in Administrator Moore. Kathy has claimed to have reached an agreement with Moore so she does not have to repay the approximately $173,000 to the members that her friend, Beth Jenson, arranged for her to be paid. Moore has reportedly agreed for the money to be taken from entitlements that Jackson alleges to still be owed by the union that under her watch was almost sent bankrupt whilst she lived the high life from her multi-million dollar mansion.

    There is only one way to look at this agreement, and that is that Jackson is acknowledging that she has taken $173,000 from the members in a manner that could be described as deceitful at best. Now it would appear as if she is now on hands and knees before the administrator desperately trying to avoid court once again.

    This is an admission of guilt from the union turncoat, no other way to look at it really. Guilt of taking $173,000 worth of over pay that her friend arranged, this is on top of all the other questionable payments. The consultancy companies she owned that were billing the union, the atrocious credit card spending from her, the payments for her expensive child minding seemingly fraudulently claimed as staff uniforms, the random payments to her friends like the $22,000 to Wai Quen, the extra money for a car when the receipt from the car dealer shows it to be thousands less than claimed by Kathy, all the BCOM payments that other committee members allege to have not received, it just goes on and on. Now we have another $173,000 to add to the ever growing pile of at best questionable Jacksonville payments.

    Kathy treats her friends and colleagues in a special manner. In doing this deal with Administrator Moore on the side, she has admitted not only her own guilt, but thrown people like Marco Bolano under the bus. If Jacksons pay rise was improper, so was everyone else’s, including Bolano’s, as they all came about in the same manner. Kathy has dumped her mates in the crapper, and done a dodgy deal to save her own skin………….
    http://wixxyleaks.com/2012/11/19/we-used-to-be-friends/#comment-3454

    THE embattled Health Services Union will attempt to claw back more than $850,000 from its disgraced former head Michael Williamson, including a $258,000 salary boost he awarded himself.

    The administrator of the NSW branch of the union has also launched legal action against former executive president Kathy Jackson, to reclaim $173,000 in alleged overpaid salary and allowances.

    On Friday, Ms Jackson said she had come to a settlement with the administrator that meant she would not have to repay any money.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/hsu-out-to-retrieve-funds-from-exboss-20121116-29hf5.html#ixzz2CeP68DMv

  136. and what lot is that, That must mean the PM did not creep into the court archives in the middle of the night?

  137. Watching QandA. Tony Jones and Turnbull arguing over use of “carbon tax” or “carbon price.” Turnbull now trying to say PM Gillard lied about “no carbon tax.” Poor form, Malcolm.

  138. Its a disgrace, more documents go missing.

    ‘THE federal opposition has called for an urgent investigation after the disappearance of more documents at the centre of the Australian Workers Union slush fund scandal, including key Federal Court files.

    ‘Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop has urged police intervention unless Queensland court records relating to a bid in the mid-1990s to recover money from the disgraced former boyfriend of Prime Minister Julia Gillard and his associates are quickly found.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/missing-files-add-to-opposition-ire-20121118-29kat.html#ixzz2CfbZ2Vsp

  139. Julie Bishop has more questions to answer about her time at Slater and Gordon that Julia Gillard. So Julie Bishop had better shut up about Julia Gillard’s past.

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  141. On the facts, as seen by Bolt, and analyzed by Latham. It is suggested one cannot find those documents, as they do not exist. Could that be the case. Even if they do, they prove nothing.

    In round two of Bolt Watch, Mark Latham takes on more assertions made by blogger Andrew Bolt over the Julia Gillard AWU story.

    For those who tuned in lately, ex-Labor leader Mark Latham has turned his special skills toward analysing blogger Andrew Bolt’s crusade to bring down Julia Gillard over the Slater & Gordon AWU story. Latham claims to have uncovered a series of false, ridiculous and “outright outrageous” information on Bolt’s blog, a claim rejected by Bolt in a lively exchange of emails and telephone calls between the pair..

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/19/lathams-bolt-watch-he-will-say-and-do-anything-to-get-at-gillard/

    First edition

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/16/bolt-watch-mark-latham-v-herald-sun-columnist-on-gillard/

  142. ……………n August I asked the Associations and Charities Branch of the WA Department of Commerce about fundraising for union elections and was told “there should not be a prohibition on that”. I also asked if this was a valid opinion going back to 1992, thereby allowing for subsequent legislative amendments. The officials answered “yes”.

    One of the peculiar aspects of the media reporting on this matter (including by Bolt) has been the portrayal of incorporated associations as objects of legal mystique. There are, in fact, 16,000 of them operating in WA, most with fundraising arms and activities. There was nothing unusual in the AWUWRA being registered for a range of workplace purposes but then raising funds for workplace elections. The wrongdoing came in the misuse of those funds by Bruce Wilson and Ralph Blewitt.

    For Bolt to claim deception at the point of registration (acting on Gillard’s legal advice) is wrong and, I believe, demonstrates his dishonesty in commentating on this issue. His political obsession in getting rid of Gillard has blinded him to the facts of the matter.,,,,

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/16/bolt-watch-mark-latham-v-herald-sun-columnist-on-gillard/

  143. El gordo, you must be kidding…Canberra sterile. Where else can you be only minutes from the CBD, be surrounded by acres of bushland and see a mother kanga hopping along with a joey peeping out of her pocket. From a town planning point of view, the bushland regeneration and landscaping is outstanding.

  144. I’m only minutes from the CBD and my town also has old world charm, surrounded by beautiful bushland. Canberrans see themselves as the elite of Australian society, generation upon generation.

    Malcolm Turnbull would make a popular president of the Republic.

  145. eg, you do realise that by reacting to my comment on ‘man bites God’ you have just performed the ultimate irony of recognising yourself as a fool and a troll.

    Nyahahahaha.. thanks for that…. gave me the laugh of the morning.

    Cheers :lol: :lol: :lol:

  146. El gordo, Canberra is the same as any city you get people of many backgrounds but agreed, there is most definitely a certain intellectualism about Canberra..people from the checkout kids at Woolies to the professionals all have opinions about many things and aren’t afraid to express these. There is also an easy going acceptance of difference, something which I never found during my 20+ years of living in small country towns.

  147. I should add, any model for President of a Republic would have that President more akin to the role of Governor General as compared with a US model. Turnbull wants more power than the role of a GG/President would afford him.

  148. This is truly turning into high farce

    The Federal Court confirmed “missing Queensland files” dating back to the mid-1990s had been found in its Melbourne registry.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/australian-workers-union-scandal-insider-ralph-blewitt-speaks-out/story-fndo28a5-1226519913992

    Yes, the liberal states lost them, long enough for numerous stories to run with line that there must be something to hide then, even bishop got in on that action, only to find them later, and discover, obviously, because there is no further mention, that they really didn’t hide anything.

    There were conspiracy theorists running the idea that it was in fact the liberal governments who had done the ‘losing’ In light of them being ‘found’ with no real fanfare, they don’t sound that far off to me.

    Now they have their new shiny object, blewitt, who is willing to say anything from the looks of it in order to wipe his slate clean.

    Nothing new will be revealed (that can be substantiated anyway) yet the story will run, and run, cos it’s apparently ‘journalism’ to listen to cranky old men who have everything to gain and nothing to lose to feed the mill.

    Whatever happened to that hooker that fingered Thom(P)son? More importantly, whatever happened to the ‘journalists’ who manipulated that story?

  149. “Yes, the liberal states lost them, long enough for numerous stories to run with line that there must be something to hide then, even bishop got in on that action, only to find them later, and discover, obviously, because there is no further mention, that they really didn’t hide anything”

    RIGHT!

  150. “Where else can you be only minutes from the CBD, be surrounded by acres of bushland and see a mother kanga hopping along with a joey peeping out of her pocket. ”

    Right here in Brisbane for starters. Canberra does not have a carte blanche on environment or town planning.

  151. Tom, it has been a farce from day one. By the public reaction, I believe they also see it the same way.

    Bolt and the journos have been pushing it for over two months with little reactionj.

  152. Too right it has been a farce nut not of the ilk that Tom and your good self would make out. the smell is getting worse now and the increasing crescendo of shrill from the Left is telling.

  153. Tom R

    The public servants must have known that the likes of Bolt and Hedley would require numerous re-readings of the same information to rehash a story that has been retold over 20 years.

    “The Federal Court spokesman said the recovered files – containing documents lodged with the Queensland Industrial Court registry in 1995 by former AWU national president Bill Ludwig – had gone missing after being sent to Melbourne earlier this year.

    ”These particular files were kept in off-site archives in Brisbane but, over time, were sent to Sydney and Melbourne to accommodate searches by journalists and others,” he said.

    ”The files were retained in Melbourne in anticipation of further search requests but unfortunately their whereabouts was not entered on to the system established to track them.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/search-continues-as-some-awu-slush-fund-files-found-20121119-29lvq.html#ixzz2CiFQSjpI

  154. This scandal is soon to enter the second phase. Blewitt will be spilling his guts in the next day or so which will blow the scandal wide open.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/australian-workers-union-scandal-insider-ralph-blewitt-speaks-out/story-fndo28a5-1226519913992

    Here is a taste of what he’ll state to the police investigation that has been on going for over a week.

    http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2012/10/ralph-blewitt-tells-his-story-about-the-gillard-power-of-attorney.html

  155. Meanwhile as things hot up for Gillard here at home, more information suggesting the planet is heading into a 30 year cooling cycle that has nothing whatsoever to do with global emissions…

    Global Cooling – Climate and Weather Forecasting.
    by Dr. Norman Page

    http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com.au

    “The increasing damage from extreme ( but not unprecedented ) events arises because billions of people have moved into coastal areas,deserts and semi -arid regions during a period of unusually optimum climate. We should review infrastructure and water resources in light of the climate and weather trends outlined above and make adaptive investments as necessary after cost benefit analysis.In general ,food stocks should be built up, GM seeds adapted to drought and cold should be developed.The use of ethanol from food stocks is criminal folly and all subsidies and mandates should be abolished immediately. The best way to reduce the human footprint on the planet is to reduce population growth by getting the cheapest energy and food to the maximum number of people possible . This would free billions of women from toil so that they could pursue education , and raise their standard of living . The birth rate would drop significantly if women’s status were raised in this way.”

  156. Now the “big” scoop by News ltd, Blewitt to return to Australia.
    “A KEY witness in the Australian Workers Union scandal will fly into Australia tomorrow prepared to tell all over an alleged “slush” fund used by Julia Gillard’s ex-boyfriend. ”

    The article then rehashes all the muck it has been raking up and how Blewiit will “tell all” BUT then near the end of the article comes this little gem

    ‘Mr Blewitt, if he talks to police, will speak about his role in buying a Melbourne property – at Kerr St, Fitzroy – paid for with union funds”

    I hope you didn’t miss it “IF he talks to police”. then it goes on about “arrangements ” with police. Sounds as if Blewitt has more to hide then disclose. So how much have News Ltd guaranteed Blewitt for his story? And who is paying the lawyers? Could it be the same financial backer as Ashby?
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/australian-workers-union-scandal-insider-ralph-blewitt-speaks-out/story-fndo28a5-1226519913992

  157. “Could it be the same financial backer as Ashby?”

    WOW, imigination running wild…better see what the resident psychologist has to say about that!

  158. The ABC have done their forensics. I don’t think the oo will stop their whining though

    Crikey’s Matthew Knott has the best recent summary of the trail of media coverage of the scandal. In a compelling article last week, Knott went back through the public record and examined all the recent media reports regarding the story, which after all is now 17-years-old. Knott found that:

    …in the tens of thousands of words devoted to the story, no evidence that Gillard knew the fund was going to be used for Wilson and Blewitt’s personal gain has emerged. Or that Gillard was aware of the scam until before it became public. Or that she personally benefited from it. Or that she has lied about her actions.

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4380362.html

  159. Goodness, look what that well-known Leftie rag The Courier Mail has to say…

    AFTER recently returning from a few weeks’ leave (yes, it was lovely, thank you for asking), I fear I have landed on the set of Groundhog Day – the Bill Murray film about a bloke who finds himself living the same day over and over again.

    What else could explain the ongoing obsession in some quarters with the relationship a certain junior lawyer had with an allegedly dodgy trade union boyfriend nearly two decades ago?

    A small but vocal section of the populace chattering class division seem to have had a collective seizure and are spending a significant proportion of their waking hours wandering the streets in tin-foil hats looking for evidence that Elvis isn’t dead and the moon landings were faked.

    Seriously, the AWU stuff is right up there with conspiracy theories implicating a Chinese submarine in the disappearance of Harold Holt. And hasn’t all this barren ground been thoroughly ploughed by now?

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/spike/columnists/touch-of-the-absurd-in-a-war-of-slurs-over-julia-gillards-past/story-e6frerg6-1226519824078

  160. Paul Syvret writes:
    “So on the one hand we have a young lawyer, active in the labour movement, and working for a progressive law firm specialising in personal injury and compensation claims and making a name for itself as a class-action specialist.

    On the other we have a legal gun for hire representing the corporate interests of giant multinationals over those of dead and dying Australians whose illness was usually contracted while at work.”

    But…..”here’s a tip. As a lawyer for the CSR, Julie Bishop:

    - did not have an affair with a CSR board member,

    - did not create a slush fund for her lover kept secret from the CSR board,

    - did not create a file kept secret from her partners,

    - did not prepare a slush fund with a deceptive name to make it seem it was for the benefit of CSR workers,

    - did not fail to go to police when her lover used that fund to steal $400,000 meant to improve safety for CSR workers,

    - did not help the lover (unwittingly) spend $100,000 of that stolen money to buy him a house,

    - did not witness a power of attorney in her boyfriend’s favor that the donor claims was witnessed without him present and on a different date than the one stated.

    - did not have anyone from CSR work on her renovations,

    - did not have a builder she used turn up to CSR headquarters demanding payment, and

    - did not get shown the door by her partners as a consequence of what she did.

    Bishop did not do one of these things, which makes the analogy with Gillard’s work for lover Bruce Wilson not just preposterous but an insult to the intelligence of two political analysts to even discuss in preference to the real scandal staring them in the face.”
    H/T Bolta

  161. What else could explain the ongoing obsession in some quarters with the relationship a certain junior lawyer had with an allegedly dodgy trade union boyfriend nearly two decades ago?

    I think they call it ‘fear’ Min

    Polls are tightening, and so is Gillards grip on power it seems

    The ABC? HAHAHAHAHAH!

    That’s right, it’s full of lefties like chris berg
    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Here’s a thought scaper, instead of simply laughing, point out the mistakes ;)

  162. Tom R
    “Here’s a thought scaper, instead of simply laughing, point out the mistakes ”

    and yet you fall for this….”Laura Tingle and Mark Skulley concluded that Gillard was not in charge of the conveyancing (Olive Brosnahan was)”

    Scaper has plenty to laugh about!

  163. Not really true. Not that it matters, this is how it is done in civil matters.

    Discrimination cases will be easier to launch and less costly under changes, aimed at streamlining the complaints process.

    The changes, detailed in an exposure draft to be released today, are part of the Gillard government’s election promise to consolidate Australia’s discrimination laws from five acts down to one.

    But opposition legal affairs spokesman George Brandis said the Coalition was “very concerned” at the reversal of the onus of proof.

    “We think as a matter of general principle the reversal of the onus of proof is a bad thing,” Senator Brandis told Sky News.

    “It violates the whole principle on which our justice system has always operated.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/change-in-proof-discrimination-laws-worries-opposition/story-fn59niix-1226520193663

    Abbott out on his mission to take cost of living pressures off the forgotten families. Better childcare carbon tax Same old spiel. Oh, a turning the boats back.

  164. Migs, “Do you have any shops in Broken Hill?” :lol: :mrgreen: did a ‘fix’…
    “The shops in Broken Hill are from a glorious past, Where else can you be only minutes from the CBD, be surrounded by acres of bushland and see a mother kanga hopping along with a joey peeping out of her pocket. From a town planning point of view, the bushland regeneration and landscaping is outstanding… compared to sterile Canberra its heaven.” :lol: :D

  165. Where else can you be only minutes from the CBD, be surrounded by acres of bushland and see a mother kanga hopping along with a joey peeping out of her pocket.

    Adelaide :)

  166. Tom @Bernard Keane..precisely the tactic. The other one observed on numerous occasions is to have the whoopsie, we got it wrong either hidden down the bottom of page 7 or if online it’s a blink and you’ll miss it situation.

  167. and yet you fall for this….”Laura Tingle and Mark Skulley concluded that Gillard was not in charge of the conveyancing (Olive Brosnahan was)”

    Most telling who is getting shrill here ;)

    Oh dear – Slater & Gordon Managing Director, Andrew Grech, 13 November 2012:

    The reporting today by Mr Baker is misleading. The facts of Ms Gillard’s role in the conveyancing matter are already on the public record. As reported recently in other media outlets, other practitioners within the firm were responsible for the conduct of the conveyancing file.

  168. Oh dear…http://michaelsmithnews.typepad.com/files/sg-purchase-fitzroy.pdf

    This comments says it all…

    http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2012/11/help-the-fib-pot.html

    “I have perused the conveyancing file and, with a background in conveyancing initially in legal offices, make the following observations:
    From the correspondence and referencing on correspondence it would appear that the reference NOB is Olive Brosnahan. From the Trust ledgers the Solicitor in charge is NOB – Olive Brosnahan (who was actually a Legal Executive, not a Solicitor).
    The correspondence and file process seems in the main standard.
    The first reference to finance for the purchase is an urgent memo dated 3/3/1993 from Olive Brosnahan to Sylvia Dickson (who I believe was with SlaterGordon Financial Planning) advising that Blewitt requires to borrow $150,000.00 for a purchase, settlement of which was due on 22/3/1993. She requests early advice of loan approval. This basically confirms that, at the time of signing the unconditional auction Contract of Sale, Wilson had not made enquiries to ensure the availability of finance to complete the purchase. This is remarkable as, had Wilson been unable to raise the finance and complete the purchase, the deposit of $23,000.00 would be forfeited. Who advised Olly that Blewitt wanted to apply for finance through Slater & Gordon – Blewitt, Wilson or Gillard?
    There were several letters on file addressed to Blewitt at his home address in Western Australia as follows:
    1. Letter of Offer regarding the Mortgage dated 10/3/1993. I note this letter was signed by Wilson on 10/3/1993 which means it is more than likely Blewitt did not see this letter.
    2. Letter dated 18/3/1993 regarding settlement due on 22/3/1993 and requesting a Bank cheque or telegraphic transfer to Slater & Gordon’s Trust Account for $67,722.30 to be received by 19/3/1993. Considering the timeline, there is a good chance Blewitt may not have received this letter. I recall Blewitt said Wilson told him to go to his local Bank Branch and T/T the monies.
    3. Letter dated 31/3/1993 enclosing amended Statement of Account and advising there was a typo in the original of such document which left a shortfall of $2,000.00. A cheque for such amount is requested to enable Slater & Gordon to complete registration of the Transfer of Land and Mortgage.
    4. Letter dated 20/4/1993 referring to letter of 31/3/1993 and asking for a Bank cheque for $2,000.00 to enable Slater & Gordon to lodge the Transfer of Land transferring the property in to his (Blewitt’s) name. This letter is specific in its mention of transferring the property in to his name. It appears Blewitt has received this letter as the Trust ledger re the Mortgage shows a personal cheque for $2,000.00 drawn on the Account of R E & J A Blewitt was received on 12/5/1993. In the past Blewitt has stated he only sent a cheque for $500.00 for the Valuation fee.
    There was a final letter dated 23/3/1993 sent to Wilson regarding settlement of the purchase. It is noted that a copy was sent to Blewitt at his home address. Did he receive this?
    There is a considerable amount of correspondence on file to Blewitt. Did he receive and read any of it?
    There is also a letter to Wilson dated 17/3/1993 with Mortgage documents for signing. There is nothing noted on this letter to say a copy was sent to Blewitt.
    The references I found to Gillard were as follows:
    (a) A memo from Gillard to Olly asking in what circumstances is higher interest charged? (Note – Gillard is a partner in a law firm and does not know. I am dumbfounded). Olly has responded to Gillard.
    (b) A handwritten note to Olly – ‘Cheque for costs for Blewitt conveyance JEG’. Underneath this is a note in another handwriting – ‘Rec. 29/4/1993′.
    I assume Gillard means the cheque was for disbursements as the costs (according to the Trust ledger) were written off as the fee was declined.
    (c) A handwritten file note dated 16/3/1993 -
    ‘Julia P (meaning purchase?). $795
    M (meaning Mortgage?). $816
    $1,611
    Fee decline’.
    These references certainly show Gillard was ‘involved’ in the purchase and Mortgage files and giving instructions in respect of the files.
    (d) A handwritten file note dated 16/2/1993 -
    ‘To Elisha / Julia G.
    We need P/A or certified copy.
    Heidi’.
    Heidi (as shown in other correspondence) is from the Estate Agents re the purchase. Does this file note mean the writer was told Heidi had the Specific Power of Attorney?
    The only references to anyone speaking to Blewitt were:
    (i) A handwritten file note dated 22/3/1993 -
    ‘Barry Sarong Commonwealth Bank Insurance (?)
    Barry Sarong told Blewitt not possible to include that clause’.
    What clause? Did Barry Sarong really speak directly with Blewitt? What clause would Blewitt be talking about if he states he did not know about the Mortgage?
    (ii) A handwritten note dated 22/3/1993 -
    ‘Ralph spoke to Julia Gillard.
    Spoke to Ralph this morning. He was chasing up Commonwealth Bank’.
    Was this information relayed by Gillard or Wilson? It does not necessarily confirm that Gillard really spoke to Blewitt – only that someone told the writer of the note that Gillard did speak to him.
    There is one unusual inconsistency or discrepancy. The Transfer of Land correctly shows Blewitt’s address for service of future Notices as his home address in Western Australia. This correctly indicates that the property must have been purchased for investment purposes.
    The Notice of Acquisition in contrast shows the address for service of future Notices is the address of the Kerr Street property. This would mean that all future Rate Notices would be sent to Blewitt at the Kerr Street address. The question remains – Was this done to deliberately divert any Rate Notices away from Blewitt in Western Australia, or was it an honest mistake of whoever prepared the Notice of Acquisition?”

  169. Posted by: A Tangled Webb

    lol

    hmm, Laura Tingle, or anonymous blogger A Tangled Webb

    Difficult decision there, whom will I go with.
    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  170. Drug Law Reform in the US is producing economic opportunity.

    ‘AN American company that makes cannabis vending machines has warned that its stock is getting way too high.

    ‘Shares in Medbox, a small manufacturer based in Hollywood, surged 3000 per cent last week amid signs that America is adopting a more relaxed approach to cannabis. The company’s market capitalisation soared to $US2.3 billion ($2.2 billion), from just $US45 million, making it the latest beneficiary of what is being called “the green rush”.

    Rhys Blakely in the Oz

  171. Now I might be wrong. Maybe friends that have worked in solicitors offices have lied to me.

    It was my understanding most of the housing conveyance work is done by what is not more than clerical staff in the office. Therefore one not being a trained lawyer means little.

    Yes, the solicitor oversees the work and deals with the client.

    For someone to claim they have worked in solicitors offices, to try and make out this is not so, is a little ingenious.

  172. Looks as though, Murdoch’s special girl, Brooks will find it hard to claim she knew nothing!
    “The bribery allegations faced by Brooks and Kay span her editorship of the Sun and her stewardship of Rupert Murdoch’s entire publishing operation as chief executive of News International.

    The CPS said it had been alleged that the MoD employee Jordan-Barber provided information for payment for a series of news stories in The Sun and that she received £100,000 between 2004 and 2011.”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2012/nov/20/operation-elveden-charges-live-updates

  173. “Convictions in the UK over illegal payments could affect the Murdoch media empire in the US, said Tom Fox, a Houston-based lawyer and expert in the US’s foreign corrupt practices act: “This may be the game changer some had been expecting. As a US firm News Corp is subject to the FCPA, if its executives are proven to have been directly involved in acts of bribery then I would expect there to a settlement with the FCPA.

    “The US authorities are likely to step back and let the UK authorities get on with their prosecutions.”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/nov/20/rebekah-brooks-andy-coulson-face-charges

    Something for James and Rupert to consider as they cannot claim that James was not in control as the period is 2004 – 2011.

  174. Dan from The Daily Derp has put a peg on his nose and waded into the stinkpit that is Menzies House. He’s retrieved this ‘nugget’…

    “Child Labour Laws May Prove Punitive For Some”

    …If a poor child were able to work from the age of 8 to 16 years old, they would accumulate enough money to take a family out of poverty. But not only does working solve the financial problems of poor children, it engenders a work ethic that has the potential to transform them into productive members of the workforce who contribute to society as opposed to the social outcasts they would have been had they remained at school.

    So what would they call that policy: ChildWorkChoices?

    Read Dan’s full article here:

    http://thedailyderp.net/2012/11/21/menzies-house-shows-its-true-colours/

  175. In response to all this rhetoric and reporting, the Prime Minister on Monday wrote to both business leaders and the ACTU to suggest the creation of a “National

    sides in a room discussing issues.

    Perhaps the first order of business on the panel might be for everyone to take a deep breath and realise the economy is not in tatters, unions aren’t in control, wages growth if anything is below average, and that just because a headline says something that doesn’t make it so.

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4382230.html

    Sue agree. Good reading. Even on QandA, they were ranting on about low productivity, which was never challenged.

  176. CU

    Greg Jericho’s last paragraph summed it up

    “and that just because a headline says something that doesn’t make it so”

    and when those headlines are in the Australian, The ABC thanks to Reith , the IPA etc., Fairfax courtesy of Costello, Vanstone, Berg.

  177. Vanstone’s gem lately was that one has to have excised zones so the boat people do not hog up our legal system.

    Has she not read, or been told this is no longer true.

    Two court decisions, say they have access, no matter where they are.

    That was just one inaccurate comment among many.

  178. Now, what Gillard lie will I expose today? I know…that Gillard only offered advice on the setting up of the ‘slush’ fund.

    I would say a lot more than that, assisting to fill out the application is a little bit more than advice in most peoples’ opinion.

    http://michaelsmithnews.typepad.com/.a/6a0177444b0c2e970d017c317ebec7970b-pi

    Note the hand writing in i) of the application.

    The next link is a sample of Gillard’s hand writing.

    http://michaelsmithnews.typepad.com/.a/6a0177444b0c2e970d01761775c96d970c-pi

    Notice the “f” in both links? A forensic hand writing expert has confirmed that Gillard filled in section i). The question is…was it filled out after Blewitt signed the document?

  179. Cuppa, I would suggest one visits the site and reads the comments. The article has not attracted much credit. The opposite is true.

    My opinion of those kids we see working the rubbish heaps, do no more that keep them alive. The same goes for those in slavery, like at the looms. Do not believe the families benefited at all. Suspect, not many survived to old age.

    One is suppose to take this mob seriously. Sad part is, that there are many of similar beliefs to be found in the Opposition today. Most I suspect, in the Liberal Party.

    If the Liberals have the dirt on the PM, why are they waiting until next week. The Senate is sitting, I believe.

  180. CU

    the msm seem to have dropped the full daily “coverage” of smear against the PM, they must be waiting for next week and Julie Bishop as well.

  181. I was wondering who the mudraker is that is relied upon by scaper,
    well if you dig around you read a lot, but this was a gem
    “Michael Smith tried on 2UE (to air a story on PM) and his departure from the station was interpreted as sinister pressure from the PM. In fact, Smith got fired after it was discovered he secretly tape recorded conversations with his boss.”

    Any forensics involved in that scaper? Or just plain stupidity.

  182. Sue, I do not believe that Ms. Bishop did anything illegal, no more that the PM did. I do believe what she did was unethical.

    I do believe she worked hard to do the victims out of justices. No more than Reith did by advising that the waterfront companies set up bogus companies, to deny workers their rights, to train another workforce in Dubai and take dogs onto the waterfront.

    Thankfully that one did not work. What did appear to survive, was the responsibility for workers wages and entitlements, being moved to shelf companies with no money to meet responsibilities.

    Howard’s reaction was not to outlaw this practice, but to move the responsibility to the taxpayer.

    Those entitlements by the way, do not belong to the employer.

    they are moneys already earned but deferred by the employee. Yes, the employer has use of them, which I believe to be unfair.

  183. Yes, the trade has just moved to nations, where the law does not count, not it appears it’s peoples. Where is the morality within these companies.

    I am sure, many in this country still receive income from these sources.

    Time to shame nations which support the asbestos trade
    Ged Kearney
    It’s 25 years since the manufacture of asbestos stopped in Australia but the shadow it has cast over the lives of thousands of families is as dark as ever……

    …….The asbestos tragedy we have seen in Australia is repeating itself in countries like India and Laos, and this time we don’t have ignorance as an excuse to do nothing.

    Those who watched “Devil’s Dust” on ABC last week will have been reminded of the toll asbestos has taken, and the story is not finished yet.

    Australia had the highest per capita use of asbestos in the world from the 1950s until the 1980s.

    Asbestos fibres can sit in the lung for decades before they become fatal, and as a result of this and our previous high usage of asbestos products, the number of asbestos-related deaths in Australia is not expected to peak until around 2020.

    By then up to 18,000 more Australians will have died from mesothelioma, thousands more from asbestos-related cancers – and many, many more thousands will continue to die in the wake of this peak.

    Australians have learned the hard way about the dangers of asbestos, but I am concerned that the lessons are not being applied in other countries, where the asbestos industry takes advantage of lax regulation to make a quick dollar………

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/time-to-shame-nations-which-support-the-asbestos-trade/

  184. Cuppa @9.50am :shock:

    This article was copied form The Daily Derp on 21 November, 2012 at 01:42. You can read the original article here: http://thedailyderp.net/2012/11/21/menzies-house-shows-its-true-colours/

    … one should also understand that education is not for everyone. For children who are trapped in schools that entrench poverty and add no educational value, they would clearly be better served by working from a young age and earning money that might help them reach a better tomorrow.

    Schools entrenches poverty? Only as far as cutbacks to education equate with a 2-tier education system..more $s for the wealthy schools and major cutbacks a la O’Farrell for school support such as for kids whose 1st language isn’t English and those with learning difficulties/disabilities.

  185. Min,

    Words almost fail me. I felt like throwing up after reading it. The 21st century must seem an alien place to those who hanker for a return to the Dickensian past.

  186. Min, the trouble is, that in our modern workplace, there are no jobs for those with those without skills, no matter how minimal.

    One will remain in any dead end job, if they can find one, unless they get the skills to move on. The days of moving up the tree, if they ever existed are long gone.

    Therefore, why not educate in the first place,

  187. Therefore, why not educate in the first place

    Because by sending children to the mills you can get a whole lifetime’s low-paid employment from individuals, rather than just the adult-lifetime, as presently.

  188. I see bottom-of-the-barrel scraper is back with his Liberal WorkChoices Limited News Party pushing. $2.00 per day too much for your neighbours and loved ones, scraper…?

  189. The MDB debacle came about in the days when Flummery said it will never rain again, but the past couple of years have been the wettest in Australian history and the MDB healthy. So why the legislation?

  190. scaper, indeed I can dispute what you are saying. What you are repeating is assumption made of documents and note they have perused. Assumption made without once again any context.

    Scenario. Clerical is tying up loose ends on the conveyance of the Blewit house. Wants to know whether it is to be billed. Knows that Julia has knowledge of the matter and leaves note on her desk. Julia later spots the note, writes no cost. adding her name.

    If you go through past files that I wrote in while a DO, at Docs, you will find similar entries in files I had little to do with. Answers to questions, I answered while being on duty.

    I am sure that similar practices happen across any office of similar nature.

    What is occurring, is assumptions being made on what is being perused today.

    These documents do come from previous investigators, who seen nothing wrong at the time.

    I would put more faith in the previous investigators, who were aware of what occurred at that time.

  191. If Blewit goes to the police, it will be for one reason only, to protect his own tail. I suspect he will be given advice by any solicitor, who has his well being in mind, to leave well enough alone.

    If I was the man, I would get a second opinion before I went anywhere.

  192. El grubo

    Are you going to spend the next x years fighting a lost battle over climate change?

    I know what follows is an unfathomable concept for a conservative, but here goes, anyway: Move on, old timer, you’ve already been left behind.

  193. ‘We are giving our best endeavours to get to some conclusion. Why would I, as part of the coalition, try to work as best I can with the Australian Labor Party, with Senator Feeney and his cohort, to get a resolution?

    ‘Because I know full well that if I am not part of that process then the Australian Greens will be. We saw yesterday the perfect example of what happens if you rely on the Australian Labor Party and the Australian Greens: they always get the numbers.

    ‘The WEMA Bill was a perfect example of that. They can get it through because they have the numbers. So we must remain at the table in negotiations on this, because the worst thing that could ever happen to people in regional Australia is if they had to start relying on Senator Sarah Hanson-Young to protect the future and the economic viability of their towns.’

    Barnaby Joyce

  194. Abbott and Ms Bishop, the younger on ABC24. Pushing childcare.

    Wonder if anyone is listening. Now commenting on the boat people. Not on what has been announced by the way.

    Just not good enough. Yes, Mr. Abbott, it is just not good enough. You are right.

    Still going to one topic to another, without much clarity. A line of three word sentences, with nothing connecting them, in one long sentences.

    Bishop, now on Blewitt. He is prepared to make statement to police. Wonder if her solicitor or she advised him.

  195. Ms. Bishop is aware he has lawyers working for him. It appears according to Ms. Bishop, that the matters are weighing on his conscience.

    Mr.. Abbott now back into the picture.

  196. In the real world we are leading the charge.

    You can only be referring to the “mainstream” media because conservatives have got nothing else.

    Newsflash: The lamestream media is not a reflection of the “real world” grubo. It’s like a crazy warped carnival mirror – designed to trick the eyes and fool the viewer.

    http://www.carnivalmirror.com/cm-q1.jpg

    Meanwhile resource billionaires and other elites must be laughing their arses off at the poor duped donkeys who, even long after the battle has been lost, drag their dirty propaganda all through cyberspace for them.

  197. Some are saying they could even come down.

    …Household electricity bills are set to stabilise from mid-2013 as the need of utilities to upgrade and replace infrastructure eases, federal energy minister Martin Ferguson says.

    Mr Ferguson told a conference in Sydney there was no quick fix for current electricity costs, which have risen by about 40 per cent across the nation over the past four years.

    But while bills had risen substantially, the impact of network investment was easing.

    “The bulk of investment in networks for this regulatory period has already occurred, with smaller increases in network charges expected in the final year of the regulatory period,” Mr Ferguson told the Australian Institute of Energy conference on Tuesday.

    “That means household consumers are expected to see a stabilisation in the price they pay for electricity from July 2013.”

    Network charges are the main component of electricity bills, ahead of wholesale energy charges.

    However, Mr Ferguson said a decrease in demand for electricity would also help stabilise prices.

    “While the network investment cycle appears to be nearing its peak and market forces are reducing the wholesale cost of electricity, further reforms are underway to ensure consumers are not paying more for electricity than is necessary,” he added.
    Tags:Martin Ferguson, power bills

    http://www.climatespectator.com.au/news/power-bills-stabilise-ferguson?utm_source=Climate%2BSpectator%2Bdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Climate%2BSpectator%2Bdaily

  198. Turnbull slipped in this rather unambiguous line last night: “… while I won’t be the leader of the Liberal Party, and certainly not the next Liberal prime minster, if the Liberal Party is elected to government next time, I will be part of collective leadership that is the Coalition cabinet”.

    I’m sure Tony Abbott will find little comfort in that line – “zip, zero and none”, to use one of Rudd’s colourful turns of phrase.

    That’s because in politics, numbers can’t be argued away. If, in early 2013, there is a real prospect of a number of Liberal Party members losing their seats to a reinvigorated Labor Party, and thereby ceding power once again to Gillard, all the principled arguments in the world will be no match for the simple logic that in a Turnbull-Gillard election, the result would be resounding victory to the coalitio…

    http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/labor-success-turnbull-victory

    Noticed, did not say Abbott.

  199. Funny, I noticed that Mr. Abbott is not interested in what is occurring today. More interested in muck raking from the past.

  200. Yes, the asylum policy will not work until the whole package is put in place. Does that amaze you.

    That has not occurred and cannot occur until Mr. Abbott gets off his high horse.

    That means that Labor has to do the best they can, with what is available to them.

    Mr. Abbott and Mr. Morrison will continue to greet every boat with much glee.

  201. You and acuppahate make a good pair. To even suggest that anyone from either side of politics would greet a boat with glee is a product of a sick twisted mind!

  202. Well maybe, but the glee is seen when one looks at their face. Same applies when any bad economic news is announced, not that it is usual under this government.

    They never have anything positive to say.

    Sorry scaper, but that is what I see. I agree with you, it is a shocking attitude for the Opposition to have.

  203. scaper, I will add, that many would have sympathy with what they Greens have to say today.

    The situation is not good. It is time that it was used as a political football and all sides got together to find a better solution.

    I suspect not many support the Abbott and Morrison line.

  204. ‘even long after the battle has been lost’

    The Conservatives have lost the political battle on CC and the MDB, but they are confident of ultimately winning the war and repealing all those green ideas within a year of taking office.

  205. The Conservatives have lost the political battle on CC

    That’s only half the story, grubo. They’ve lost the battle of scientific consensus. Like the Flat Earthers and those who believe(d) the universe rotates around the Earth.

    The thing is, you’re not only making yourself a laughing stock as a useful idiot doing the propaganda work of resource billionaires who couldn’t give two hoots about you. You’re also helping the push for unmoderated pollution of the very air your descendants will have to breathe. So you do them a disservice too. You might not understand the importance of clean air for yourself, but you owe it to those who come after you to pass on the cleanest environment possible, not spend your life spinning a losing battle over pollution reduction.

  206. What is the difference between bridging and temporary visa. All of Howard’s temps, all ended up staying here.

    Morrison and Abbott need to be careful they so not get wedged on this.

  207. I commented here awhile back that The Bolt Report was outrating Insiders and all and sundry here believed the opposite.

    Well, it seems I’m right. The site I will link to is somewhat biased but aren’t them all?

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/21/bolt-beats-insiders-thanks-to-his-defender-lachlan/

    I believe his embedded video of each episode on his blog gets more views than both shows put together. Would be interesting to know of the numbers that view Insiders on the ABC site.

    I would suggest in this age that more view the sites than waste their Sunday mormings watching TV.

  208. Bolt isn’t converting anyone new, scraper, so no celebration in order for the CONservatives. Anyone not already supporting the WorkChoices agenda of Gina and Co would hardly be able to watch the propaganda session without wanting to throw up. It’s just put on as reinforcement, to keep the brainwashed toeing the line.

  209. Hey Migs, sipping on a St Hallett ’95 Old Block. Going down like velvet.

    Off to the Coldplay concert tonight. Now for the biggest decision of the day…what size hip flask to fill with Chivas to sneak in as the drinks are watered down? The Glen Moray, of course, it’s the biggest!

  210. Wonderful watching Morrison making a fool of himself in interview with Lyndal Curtis. ABC 24. There is no difference between bridging and temporary visas.

    Turning the boats back is not an option. Morrison did not cope well with being challenged.

  211. Marvelous, Ms Bishop already has plans, which we heard about over a week ago, even before Mr. Blewitt goes to the police. She even know that the matter is heavy on his conscience.

    Did I read that the man is or was not even in the country.

    Why does it smell like a set or beat up. It took a long time for this man to develop a conscience.

    The federal opposition has vowed to use the final sitting week of parliament to pursue Prime Minister Julia Gillard over the Australian Workers Union (AWU) scandal.

    Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop says the prime minister has misled the Australian people about her involvement in setting up a slush fund for union officials, including her then boyfriend Bruce Wilson, 17 years ago.

    “The prime minister has been less than honest in her answers to legitimate questions asked by the press and in the parliament,” Ms Bishop told reporters in Perth on Wednesday.

    “The answers she has given in parliament will be the subject of further scrutiny next week.”
    Advertisement

    Ms Bishop said she understood a former AWU official, Ralph Blewitt, had returned to Australia to clear his conscience about the role he played in the misuse of union funds.

    Mr Blewitt has previously admitted he engaged in the fraud with Mr Wilson, then AWU Victorian secretary, by issuing bogus invoices and receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars during the 1990s.

    He will reportedly make a statement to Victoria Police after consulting with his lawyers in Melbourne.

    Mr Blewitt has vowed to reveal everything he knows about the fraud in exchange for immunity from prosecution, The Australian said on Wednesday.

    Ms Bishop said Ms Gillard should give “a full explanation” to parliament.

    “I can assure the prime minister there will be an opportunity next week for her to answer legitimate questions about her role in what turned out be a massive fraud against the AWU,” she said.

    The issue not only went to Ms Gillard’s professional and ethical conduct as a lawyer at the time, Ms Bishop said.

    “It also goes to her integrity and honesty today

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/oppn-vows-to-pursue-pm-over-awu-scandal-20121121-29pkw.html

  212. el gordo, spin and exaggerations are generally over taken by reality. All one has to do is wait.

    This is the message I believe the PM has been handing out.

    That is why most of us have faith in the future of this government.

  213. At least Glenn Dyer compares apples & apples scaper. What Bolt was putting up was dishonest – you gotta wonder why if the real figures this year put him ahead anyway :roll:

  214. Thanks Sue. Did not see that one. I know, from little contact with one or two members, the mob is really working hard. Suppose they cannot afford to lose. Cannot let anyone else get a look in.

    What happened to that candidate that took a challenge to the courts because she was found illegible to stand as a candidate.

    Kathy, it appears to be just as friendly with Work choice staff, as she is toady with FWA.

  215. Just for those who tried to make out Bolta was on a hiding to nowhere….

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/21/bolt-beats-insiders-thanks-to-his-defender-lachlan/
    “Bolt now attracts more viewers in total than Insiders on ABC TV does. Insiders’ ABC1 audience from 9 to 10am has fallen 11.7% to 173,000 this year (still well ahead of Bolt) from 195,000 in 2011. The News 24 simulcast audience is up more than 21% to 56,000 from 46,000 and the evening repeat on News 24 has up more than 27% to 32,000 from 26,000. On several occasions in the past three months, Bolt’s 10am audience has exceeded that of Insiders which has fallen into a bit of trough since midyear”

    Ignore the rest of the Crikey rant, just sour grapes from pinko Glen Dyer!

  216. Well, that is no great win, as the Insiders has been on a quick down slope all this year. Hardly anyone has a good word for it.

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