Uncontrolled thought bubbles

‘Twas a positive little headline on news.com.  On the eve of the economic forum Julia Gillard has asked business and union leaders to loudly speak up for our economy (which the whole world knows is going gangbusters).

Would have been a well-rounded article if the whole story remained positive, such as a word from an attendee to the forum, or a business leader, or a union leader.  But not Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey!

Here’s Abbott’s uncontrolled thought bubble that was so eagerly sought by news.com:

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said it would be “a carefully-scripted choreographed event” which was not about adopting new policy ideas.

“She’s not interested in changing policy. She’s just interested in stifling criticism and, unlike this Prime Minister, I am prepared to change the policy of this nation,” said Mr Abbott.

Of FFS, has the idiot been asleep since the last election?  Did he miss the 300 pieces of legislation that passed through the Houses of Parliament?  Has he not publicly opposed everything put forward by Labor who are actually trying to do something?

Anyway, care to back that up, Mr Abbott, with a policy of your own?  Do you actually know what a policy is?  And how are you going to change the policy of this nation, as you say?  Will you be making a call to your mates at the church to draft Workchoices II?  Will you be phoning the captains of every ship in the navy asking them to turn the boats around?  Will you scrap the NBN because Uncle Rupert wants you to?  Will you lead the cavalry charge in another intervention while on the phone taking instructions from Little Johnnie?  Will you front up to Nick Minchin’s office to ask whether climate change is real?  Will you ask Gina or Clive if pensioners can manage with what they get?

I’m sure you’ll have a rush of thought bubbles once you get the keys to The Lodge.  Someone from the big end of town will help you with a policy when your thought bubbles just won’t pop.

But aren’t news.com just wonderful?  They run a headline about Julia Gillard calling for the message to get told about our good economy and then they introduce Tony Abbott and his sidekick Joe (Pancho) Hockey to throw some shit around.

Here’s Hockey’s pearl of wisdom:

“Labor uses their talkfests to make big new promises, break them months later and then introduce new taxes.”

Care to back that up with some facts, Joe?  Or don’t news.com care to deal with facts?  Is just the sound of your voice enough to make Uncle Rupert’s ticker tick a little faster?

For a bloke who can smell a microphone a mile away it’s a bit rich coming out with bullshit because some people want to be positive about our country.   This is the bloke who lost the 2007 election for the Coalition because he couldn’t sell Workchoices.  And in his current job he can’t even add up.  What a legend.  Why do they bother with him?

Honestly, those two clowns leave me speechless.

A scan of a piece of printed electioneering ma...

A scan of a piece of printed electioneering material issued during the 2007 Australian Federal Election featuring an attack on Joe Hockey (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

113 comments on “Uncontrolled thought bubbles

  1. “I am prepared to change the policy of this nation,” said Mr Abbott.”

    Can someone explain what this means. The policy of the nation, what in the hell is that. How does a nation have policy.

    The only thing I see that man showing any interest in, is becoming PM by hook or crook.

  2. That amused me too. But given that he can only think one policy at a time it is quite normal for him to come up with that rubbish.

  3. Abbott is correct, the PM is not interested in changing policy, that is if it is policy that he is putting forwarded. That is Howard’s policy from the past.

    The PM is interested in seeking opinions from that the PM will create policy.

    As Migs said, it appears to have escaped Abbott that the PM has put much policy into place.

    The PM is now ready to take the next step.

  4. Without any shadow of a doubt Tony the Phoney is not only an idiot but he is seriously unhinged and delusional. He is a complete fruit loop and and batshit crazy. He is an embarrassment to be leader of a major political party.Hockey is just a fat,bloated buffoon. Abbott —— “in your guts you know he’s nuts”.

  5. And Tony would know all about carefully scripted choreographed events, seeing as he does one of his own to universal acclaim every day.
    Hockey can’t get it together to even do that.

  6. I’d like a dollar for every one of Tony Abbott’s carefully scripted, choreographed appearances!

  7. Pip
    Snap.
    Always accuse your opponent of doing what you’re doing yourself, as that noted right wing thinker Joe Goebbels remarked.

  8. Been to the Pub tonight playing 8-ball ( hey its Tuesday a.k.a my Saturday night), got into a friendly argument with my fellow ferals about ‘is it a tax or a price’, got the usual ” she lied”….. but when I said about rich boys(and girl) newspapers, when I said about Julias whole speech- (not a tax, but a price and the 300plus Co.), then I got some understanding, mm !!! If there are some Labor pundits reading this my advice would be to sell your message better…… otherwise you’ve only got dumb C*’s like me doin’ it….. :D …. and I will continue 2…… ay!

  9. LOVO, next Tuesday you can explain to your mates that “she”, the PM, didn’t lie, she announced the carbon price and the emissions trading scheme in a
    PRE-election speech which is still on her website, and it was reported in The Australian by no less than the very important Paul Kelly and Dennis Shanahan…
    sorry no links till tomorrow, old computer died and I lost all my bookmarks. :oops:

  10. Pip, exactly what I done did, but might I say that the realisation about rich buggers owning the press and what they had/are doing, for me, was the Revelation that they didnt realise….. I detected the D’oh moment from the less feral….. (oh, have we been manipulated )….. HELLO…. :D

  11. Migs’, re Will you be phoning the captains of every ship in the navy asking them to turn the boats around?

    That one amused me somewhat when it appeared (briefly) in the newspapers..briefly of course because it was something negative against Tony Abbott.

    It related to a radio interview given by Tony and the interviewer *shock*..wait for it, actually asked him a question. The question was, And how will the boats’ crews know when it’s safe to return the boats around?

    Tony answered, because I’ll tell them when to.

    Unfortunately the interviewer didn’t pursue it further, however it certainly brought forth questions. It certainly was as Migs puts it, one of Tony Abbott’s thought bubbles..or is that brain f*rts?

    However, let’s take Tony at his word. For starters, Tony have you ever been at sea in a dangerous situation with desperate people crowded onto a leaking ship? One cannot just sit on it waiting for Tony to get off his bike, or off the loo or wherever to wait for Tony Abbott’s “expert opinion” as to whether a vessel is or is not seaworthy. Admiral Barrie recently mooted that the captains will always tell Abbott that they are not seaworthy or else they would possibly be liable for any lives lost at sea. That is, if the captain errs in judgement about seaworthiness who is going to be held liable?

    There is also the point as to whether or not a Prime Minister can give orders to enlisted personnel. The head of the Armed Forces is not the PM, but the Governor General. Enlisted personnel swear alliegance to Australia and her representative the GG. This was done deliberately via separation of powers so that no one political party could commandeer an army.

  12. Iain, who knows? It depends on the following people I should imagine..

    Ms Gillard is hosting the forum, which will bring together around 150 representatives from government, business, unions, academia and the not-for-profit sector in Brisbane on Tuesday and Wednesday.

  13. Iain..umm errr. Why do you preempt and say that nothing will be achieved because of it?

    And speaking of showmanship.. Warning! Warning! Pic below not to be viewed on a full stomach..

  14. el gordo, once again you are twisting what was said.

    it was along the lines, if you want to call it a tax, so be it. I do not want to be distracted by explaining it is not a tax. I want to stick to what I want to do, to address the climate change. The PM is guilty of treating the media with a having some sense of decency.

    The PM said if you want to call it a tax, I am not arguing. No where did the PM say it was a tax, as we know taxes to be.

    It has always been and is, a market based cost on carbon emissions, with a fixed price for three years.

    Iain, so the PM is now guilty of talking the economy up. I would have thought that was the duty of a PM. The PM is talking to business and the public. You accused the PM not getting the message out and not listening to the public. When the PM takes steps to so so, you then criticize her for doing the job.

    Why is not your anger aimed at Mr. Abbott for continuously talking this nation down.

    I suspect your greatest fear, along with Mr. Abbott, is that this PM and government will succeed. That the country is travelling well.

    el gordo, when has Mr. Abbott put forwarded anything that is worth copying. If anything he says is copied, what is wrong with that.

    That was one of Mr. Menzies strongest strengths, condemning what Mr. Caldwell proposed during elections, and adopting as soon as re-elected.

    Min, I agree that is is dubious how much right a PM has to interfere in the day to day running of Defence. Like police and courts, it is the governments role to set policy. It is not their role to be involved in the running of the departments..

    .

  15. Meanwhile at another talkfest
    HR Nicolls Society gave a standing ovation to “unionist” Kathy Jackson..

    Now that is showmanship, but I wonder how many of the fawning Coalition, Abbott, Pyne,Abetz, Brandis turned up to cheer on their hero, or were they all in hiding as more comes to light over their Kathy?

  16. Cu, one does not have to talk the economy up..it is up.

    And Cu, it’s even more important than police, courts, State government. What Tony Abbott is inferring is that an elected politician might have undue influence on Australia’s armed services. We’re not talking about as per little Johnny of photo ops and telling one of the ships going to the Gulf to wait a couple of days (which JWH did) – this is stating that he Tony Abbott as PM will GIVE ORDERS to the armed services.

    This flies in the face of the Constitution and the Separation of Powers Doctrine. No small bikkies there.

  17. Here is an uncontrolled thought bubble from a journalist at the tele:

    “But the state will have to sell the $10-15 billion electricity poles and wires and get some funding from a future Abbott government for roads and rail to get what it really wants.”
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/devil-is-in-the-details-with-shift-in-grants/story-e6freuy9-1226393529706

    Where is “some funding from a future Abbott government for roads and rail” that featured in Hockeys $70 Billion black hole.
    Talk about BS from a partisan media

  18. CU

    Iain, so the PM is now guilty of talking the economy up. I would have thought that was the duty of a PM. The PM is talking to business and the public. You accused the PM not getting the message out and not listening to the public. When the PM takes steps to so so, you then criticize her for doing the job.

    Gillard can only convince two State premiers to come to this event ( even Newman here in Queensland where its being held is not going top join in) It is all smoke and mirrors from Labor. As for “talking the economy up” Give me a break willya we all know that nothing said by Gillard and Swan does any such thing. They are so universally dismissed that if they announced, at midday, that the sun was shining most of the people would rush to their windows to check if they are telling the truth.

    Why is not your anger aimed at Mr. Abbott for continuously talking this nation down.

    Because that is not what he has been doing, he has quite rightly been pointing out why this is a very bad government and how the country would be better under a Coalition administration.

    I suspect your greatest fear, along with Mr. Abbott, is that this PM and government will succeed. That the country is travelling well.

    I fear droppings from porcine aviation much more than I fear Labor succeeding because pigs flying is far more likely than Gillard et al getting anything right.

  19. Of course Mr. Abbott is concerned for Australia.

    If he is not talking the economy down, he is doing a good job of spreading doom and gloom.

    To do so, he has to spread lies and ignore the reality that this country is travelling OK.

    If he struck to facts and criticize government policies, I would have no complaint.

    This he does not do.

    Iain, why not turn on ABC 24 and listen to what is being said.

  20. Ask Tony any question and the answer one will get is cut the carbon tax.

    Yesterday afternoon Tony Abbott tried a bit of a stunt where he pretended to be available to answer meaningful questions if people sent them to him on Twitter with the #asktony hashtag.

    You can see why the concept appealed to Abbott – it would make him look like he was open to being challenged on his pronouncements, whilst letting him ignore questions he didn’t want to answer and in a forum where nobody could expect more than 140 characters anyway.

    Which is good, because Tony’s preferred response to any question is “axing the carbon tax will fix it!” And the twitter “interview” lets him just keep repeating it whilst ignoring follow-ups:

    Mark J. Cohen – What will be the macroeconomic effects on Australia if the Eurozone fails to stabilise its banks? #asktony
    Tony Abbott – Serious. That’s why it’s important not to make extra burdens for ourselves such as the carbon tax and no ABCC. #asktony.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2012/06/13/asktony-in-which-mr-abbott-tries-to-make-up-for-avoiding-lateline-or-qa-by-pretending-to-be-available-to-answer-questions-on-twitter-for-twenty-minutes-and-it-backfires/comment-page-1/

  21. And the nastiest serious question of all?

    Emma Alberici – @TonyAbbottMHR #asktony When will you accept our invitation to do an interview on #lateline?

    Like the other genuine questions, Tony didn’t dignify THAT one with a response.

    Naturally, other journalists were outraged. Tony Abbott, a man who expects to be Prime Minister after the next election, thinks he can avoid genuine scrutiny with faux interviews on Twitter? He thinks pretending to engage with the electorate for twenty minutes online whilst ignoring anything he doesn’t want to deal with is the equivalent of a Lateline interview or being grilled by a Q&A audience? He thinks ignoring the difficult questions he was asked won’t be noticed?

    Well, just wait till the Herald Sun journo gets stuck in:

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2012/06/13/asktony-in-which-mr-abbott-tries-to-make-up-for-avoiding-lateline-or-qa-by-pretending-to-be-available-to-answer-questions-on-twitter-for-twenty-minutes-and-it-backfires/comment-page-1/

  22. Cu, and

    If he struck to facts and criticize government policies, I would have no complaint.

    I believe that you have it precisely.

    Some right wingers state, but Tony doesn’t have to provide any policies until closer to the election..which is odd, because Tony has always stated that another election would be called any tick of the clock due to this “dysfunctional” government.

    However, and in spite of the above what precisely is stopping Tony from providing some semblance of a sensible argument about how he would do it better.

  23. Iain, maybe the talk fest will reveal a little reality of where we are at.

    The mining boom is not to blame for Australia’s multi-speed economy, Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Glenn Stevens says.

    Speaking at the federal government’s economic forum in Brisbane, Mr Stevens said a major shift in household spending and saving patterns was the overriding influence on the economy.

    ‘I actually think that a lot of the disquiet and dissatisfaction that we see isn’t really related to the mining boom at all,’ he said on Wednesday.

    ‘I think it’s got a lot to do with changes of household behaviour, which come after a very unusual period of strong spending, leveraging up and saving nothing out of current income.

    ‘And that was bound to end sooner or later, and it has.

    ‘In fact, it ended about five years ago.

    ‘And we are still, I think, coming to grips with the importance of that now, and I think it’s a significant factor that is behind some of the disquiet we see.’

    Mr Stevens said it was normal for some parts of the economy to be weaker than other sectors.

    ‘The economy is always a patchwork, it’s never a seamlessly woven garment,’ he said.

    ‘It’s very rare that all sectors and all regions go at the same speed at the same time.

    ‘Usually, if that’s happening it’s a recession or an unsustainable boom.

    ‘Most of the time when things are normal there are differences.’

    http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/06/13/Mining_boom_not_to_blame_says_Stevens_760492.html

  24. For fear of being labelled a conspiracy theorist, I would like to refer to Miglo’s tweet “I’m sick of news.com lapping up Abbott’s thought bubbles.”.

    The only conclusion is that there has to be an agenda, for example why are journalists able to provide criticism of Julia Gillard but not of Tony Abbott.

    During the time when the Liberals were last in power, Howard’s actions were commented upon, but only superficially with some exceptions..notably Michelle Grattan and George Megathingy et al.

    This was also a time when the blogs came into their own.

    An idea might be that because of the development of citizen journalism..the more that we do, the less that the msm does by way of critiques of Tony Abbott and the Opposition.

  25. I hope you’re not suggesting we should ease off, Min, and trust the MSM to step in to fill the vacuum?

    More seriously I agree with Miglo there is an agenda. It’s not even a covert conspiracy. Team Abbott makes the agenda patently clear on every screen on their Party website. Attack the government on every front. Get rid them all and particularly Gillard. Forget about anything else, even our own story and plans. We’ll worry about that once we’re in (i.e. thinks, Tony, once I have the keys to the Lodge!) News Ltd and their other media allies
    have the same agenda.

  26. Patricia, I think that there is buckley’s and no chance of the MSM filling any void should by some chance of fate such as an asteroid striking the Earth, or perhaps a virus striking all bloggers..that the MSM would step into the fray so as to provide balance.

    Yes indeed, there is an agenda. My eluding to a “conspiracy theory” was a reference to past discussions oft held here where we who have been picking up on media bias were answered via statements (accompanied with eye-rolling)..Yeah, right it’s all the media’s fault.

  27. Min, we cannot blame the media for over three quarters of the public believing interest rates are higher now than they were in Howard days.

    They only have to look at their mortgage repayments and the fact they are paying up $4000 or more less each year.

    There is plenty put in the public domain that tell us the economy is among one of the best in the world.

    I believe we need to start looking at what many in the public believe and why they have come to the conclusions they have.

    Yes, the media has not made it easier.

    I am fast coming to the conclusion,. this country will not cop female leaders.

    Look at the history of how female premiers have been treated. The media and public destroyed them all.

    I believe they were all as good as the men they replaced.

    I also believe it is important for the well being of the country, that the PM survives the onslaught, on behalf of all woman who follow her.

    .

  28. Cu, and

    we cannot blame the media for over three quarters of the public believing interest rates are higher now than they were in Howard days.

    We can if it’s via a series of omissions. That is, when JWH was in power every tiny event received front page headlines. Whereas, I am certain that today Julia would have to do a circuit of Old Parliament house..and naked at that..for anything which the government does to receive more than a begrudged admission that it was a job well done.

  29. Cu, I’m not as certain as you about whether it’s to do as to whether the PM/premiers were females or was it to do with the fact that they were Labor.

    Example, should it have been a male who had replaced Rudd would the media have treated him any differently?

    I think that the difference lies in the PM’s ability to fire back. A male can fire back and he is called authoritative, but if a woman does the same she is labelled a harridan.

  30. As I said, I do not mind if they keep to facts. The sad thing is that they do not.

    To be honest, I am getting really tired of the Coalition misleading the Australian public about the NBN. Many Delimiter readers will know that I personally have my own reservations about the project, including the fact that it will wind back telecommunications infrastructure competition in Australia. However, increasingly, the constant flood of misinformation that the Coalition is projecting about the project is forcing journalists such as myself into a combative stance with the Coalition, just to ensure the truth is heard on the matter.

    I simply cannot believe that our democracy allows senior politicians such as Joe Hockey to make factually inaccurate claims such as the idea that 4G mobile broadband has the potential to exceed the capacity of fibre, or that connecting to the NBN will cost Australians up to $1,000.

    In order to ensure that there is some form of accountability within Australia’s political system, I feel that we need some sort of official fact-checking organisation to follow politicians around and check whether what they are saying is actually true. The press is supposed to fulfil this purpose, but I don’t feel as though it’s doing a very good job. By and large, the Coalition’s pure horseshit on the NBN is going unchecked.

    Now, I don’t want to imply that all of what the Coalition is saying about the NBN is untrue. Quite a lot of it — especially analysis by Shadow Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull — is accurate, and often useful. The Coalition does often contribute in a positive way to the NBN debate. In addition, the Government is also guilty on occasion of misleading Australia when it comes to sensitive issues; take Communications Minister Stephen Conroy’s attempt to mislead the nation on the implementation of the Internet filter, for example, or the constant attempts by the Attorney-General’s Department to block public access to secret talks being held about Internet piracy.

    However, what the Coalition is doing with respect to the NBN is a travesty. The statements which the Coalition is making are so blatantly false, that any rational individual hearing them has to call into question whether such inaccuracies are being told deliberately. It feels as though the case that they are is increasing every day.

    http://delimiter.com.au/2012/06/13/4g-far-superior-to-the-nbn-claims-joe-hockey/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Delimiter+%28Delimiter%29

  31. Min, we still insist on treating women different. I believe it is not only men that do this, there are many women who are out in front, attacking women leaders, whether they are a leading hand on the factory floor or the PM of the country.

    One place this does not appear to occur is in the banking industry. Those women appear to be treated with respect.

  32. Cu, I disagree with you on one woman leader, and that being Anna Bligh, she sold highly profitable Queensland assets against the wishes of the voters, and on losing the election left the State with massive debts, that was the first time I have ever voted against the ALP.

  33. Cu, I agree to a certain extent..that there are some types of women who are even more harsh on another woman than any man might be. My all time worst boss was a woman..a combination of a power tripper and the office b*tch all rolled into one.

    Interestingly, these types of women are often far more lenient on males than they are on other women. There must be a psychological profile relating to these types.

  34. CU

    Iain, why not turn on ABC 24 and listen to what is being said.

    because I don’t get that station’s signal with enough clarity to watch it.

  35. Crowey, I am not in disagreement with you there. She is one that seemed to hold her own with the men.

    What I will hold judgement on is whether her being a woman made her judgement wrong, or whether a male in the same position, might have come to the same opinion.

    Whether they would have treated a male so harshly.

    What I am waiting to see, is whether the new mob with their great majority will do any better.

    I suspect not.

  36. You have a computer. Try Iview.

    I am on the Central Coast. I have similar problems. I can have all stations or all the ABC. I choose the latter.

    I do not have Sky, but they seem to televise much as well.

  37. Sorry but I meant to add I can only get the commercial stations here the ABC I can get occasionally but it just pxiilates all the time which makes it un-watch-able

  38. I know what you mean Iain, when I was at Billinudgel I could get 2 stations only. The only way that I could get mobile phone service was if I stood in the kitchen sink…true..

  39. ‘I believe they were all as good as the men they replaced.’

    I believed Julia was and that’s why I voted for her, but her policy bombshell after hopping into bed with the greens…was a disgrace.

    If Rudd comes back before Xmas, with the intention of saving the party, only a minority would object…and of course Tony, whose small target profile will become redundant.

  40. el gordo reveals his lack of political know how when he talks about ‘hopping into bed with the Greens’! Government was formed by Labor in alliance with the Greens party which had won a substantial level of votes and with independents, resulting in a stable administration. There was no bombshell surprise in the carbon price compromise struck with the Greens and independents, except in the timing before the ETS policy Labor had taken to the electorate comes into play. The so called lie was no such thing.

  41. el gordo ignores the many differences between Labor and the Greens, since the minority government came into being.

    It is minority government, that governs with the support of the Greens and independents on the cross bench.

    This PM has not bought in anything that is in contradiction to ALP policy.

    Those who support her, have not had everything their own way.

    IT IS NOT A COALITION GOVERNMENT.

  42. el gordo, another good reason for using renewals for energy. Forget the big, fossil fuel power houses, that transport electricity over thousands of kilometers at great cost. Move to wind and solar, which can be smaller and closer to the towns where it is needed.

    When I was small, I seemed to remember smaller towns having their own power stations. I cannot remember what fuel was used, but I suspect oil.

    What riles him most is their inefficiency, caused by generating electricity hundreds of kilometres from where it is used. “It’s pretty silly. You lose two-thirds of your primary energy as heat, which you reject up into the atmosphere [at the time of generation].” That’s because power plants produce far more heat than electricity. “Then you lose another 10 or 11 per cent across the grid to get it into the city. So [by the time you reach the customer] you end up with less than 30 per cent of the primary energy you burn at the power station.”

    and

    On top of that, he points to the cost of maintaining the long-distance network of poles, wires, cables and substations needed to get the electricity to the cities.

    By way of example, he provides The Global Mail with the breakdowns of a recent bill for Sydney’s Town Hall. While 41.5 per cent covers the cost of the electricity, 49.5 per cent is for network charges. “That’s not electricity at all. It’s just [the cost of] shifting the electricity,” he adds.

    http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/the-hidden-cost-of-infinite-energy-part-2/36/

  43. It can be done. It is being done.

    He can afford to think big. The man who wants to reduce the club’s dependence on poker machine revenues took a big gamble on his $4.5 million trigeneration system, which started producing all the club’s daytime power in November 2010. He doesn’t quibble with my back of the envelope calculation that without

    it, the club’s annual electricity bill would be approaching $2.5 million, rather than the $746,000 they paid last year for the off-peak electricity drawn from the grid, only at night.

    “And we had five days in a row last year over 40 degrees [Celcius],” he adds.

    http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/the-hidden-cost-of-infinite-energy-part-2/36/

    more
    ROOTY HILL RSL. | Photo By Mike Bowers

    By Ellen Fanning
    POWER BILL SURGE INVESTIGATION | February 6, 2012
    Respond to Feature
    THE HIDDEN COST OF INFINITE ENERGY (PART 1)Australian power bills are soaring, and much of the cost is not about the actual electricity, but building the gargantuan infrastructure to deal with our unchecked energy use.“ They said I was a fool. Just interested in being green!”

    http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/the-hidden-cost-of-infinite-energy-part-1/19/

  44. Patricia, I am certain that el gordo will correct me if I am wrong but the “lie” which she refers to is the fact of climate change – that CO2 is but a harmless gas, and therefore the tax was never needed in the first place. That basically is her argument. That is, she disputes the science.

    From daughter who is completing her PhD in molecular bioscience, the science has been settled for over a decade. I think that I believe my daughter and all of the other learned folk, science being very very far from anything resembling my field of expertise.

  45. Scientists say they have found the best weapon yet to eradicate cane toads from isolated areas – using the amphibians’ own toxin against them.

    http://bigpondnews.com/articles/Environment/2012/06/13/Chink_discovered_in_cane_toad_armour_760555.html

    Patricia, I seen where you warned us that we should not lower ourselves to Mr. Abbott’s level. You are right, we do not need to do so.

    Maybe we should take our clue from research into eradicating toads. The studies have shown, the most efficient way is to eradicate them is to use their own toxins against them.

    Maybe that is all we need to do with Mr. Abbott, is to use the toxins he spreads, throughout the community, creating fear and mayhem against him.

    Just keep playing back his own words and actions.

  46. Rab, maybe because it is a ugly animal that has very little valuable use and is hard to get rid of.

    Maybe because it is an ugly animal that is a danger to all that crosses it’s path.

    Maybe because it will sacrifice it’s own young to survive.

  47. And of course the big news story pertains to Scott Morrison..

    FEDERAL opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said the ABC would tonight broadcast an apology to him over a comment made during Monday’s edition of current affairs talkshow The Drum.

    The comment was made by ABC economics correspondent Stephen Long, who described Mr Morrison as being “willing to pander and manipulate that level of prejudice in what is essentially a racist manner”.

    Is there something quite weird about this picture..Morrison receiving BIG time publicity about his demanding an apology. The statement made by Long is fairly benign.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/abc-apology-to-scott-morrison/story-e6frg996-1226394622721

  48. And let’s not forget who Scott Morrison is..he’s the person who objected and loudly to money being spent Opposition attacks public funding of flights for families attending boatpeople funerals

  49. “I believed Julia was and that’s why I voted for her….

    Oh and how I laughed and laughed at this drollery. I laughed until my sides hurt, I laughed until my partner, used to my very eccentric ways, started to look at me worryingly, I laughed so much it became breathless squeaks and then I stopped with tears running down my face.

    Thanks for the comedy break el gordo.

  50. Mobius..there was something decidedly alternative reality about that statement from EG. I hope that your partner didn’t become unduly distressed and was provided with a fullsome explanation..but then on the other hand EG might be a bit hard to explain.

  51. She’s not very political and spending a lot of time on Facebook mostly playing online games is as far as social media goes. I explained this person online has over a long time done nothing but diss all things Labor whilst making excuses for all things Liberal and then drops the clanger of saying they voted for Gillard. The contradiction from online actions to this statement was so stark I took it as a great joke.

    By the way Abbott caught out in a great big lie. Said that half the rise in NSW electricity was because of the carbon tax when it was around 10% of the rise and smack on the Federal government’s projection for which they are giving full compensation.

    Abbott’s response. The carbon tax will to up and up an continue to go up whilst the compensation won’t.

    Thanks be a reporter, Hugh Rimington, picked up on the lie and said that the compensation will also go up with CPI so it is not true to say it won’t increase.

  52. Mobius, then what’s the excuse for electricity charges to have increased 22% in NSW in the last 2 years. Something to do with privatisation?

  53. With thanks to Jennifer on FB for the reminder..but now it’s Morrison who wants an apology…

    But after Mr Morrison’s comments this week on the cost of asylum-seeker funerals and his role in the controversial decision to cut a Howard government program to fund schools in Indonesia, colleagues are privately questioning whether he is trying to pursue an anti-Muslim political strategy unilaterally.

    Even though the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, initially backed his stance on the cost of the funerals, Mr Morrison apologised yesterday for the “timing” of his comments, saying it was “inappropriate” and “insensitive” to make the remarks on the day the funerals were taking place.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/morrison-sees-votes-in-antimuslim-strategy-20110216-1awmo.html#ixzz1xfFex6Cy

  54. 18% rise approved for power, which is above projections and up to 16% for gas in NSW, all blamed on the carbon tax and the Federal government.

    Problem. For it to be the Federal government’s fault then electricity would have to have gone up by 18% and gas by 16% in every State and Territory and the carbon tax that is not even in yet would have to account for 100% of the NSW price rises.

    The Liberal and media attacks are getting as silly as someone saying that the Liberals are into infrastructure building, but they don’t want to flag it because Gillard, who they voted for, might steal their ideas.

  55. Fear can be a powerful motivator but it eventually wanes, unless you can find a new bogeyman.

    and

    On the first part though, the possibility that the Olympic Dam expansion will be shelved, Abbott is probably on safe ground (no pun intended). That BHP Billiton would not comment this week is immaterial. It does have three hugely expensive capital projects on the starter’s blocks – two in Australia and one in Canada – and could yet delay all of them. What it will not do is go ahead with all three right now.

    and

    The Opposition is trading on fear and has shown an admirable creativity in unlocking new and even scarier mines of uncertainty.

    The Government on the other hand is trying to trade on hope pointing to Australia’s low interest rates, low inflation, low joblessness, and so far at least, ebullient economic growth.

    They will not both prove to be correct.

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/the-opposition-wants-you-to-be-afraid-be-very-afraid/

  56. Still wrong

    analysis Yesterday Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey issued an extensive statement attempting to show that comments he had made about 4G mobile broadband having the potential to be “far superior” to the National Broadband Network’s fibre had been taken out of context. Unfortunately, he only succeeded in digging himself a bigger hole.

    Those who have not been following the debate this week can find Delimiter’s original article quoting Hockey’s comments in Tasmania here, and Hockey’s extensive response in full here. In essence, in a radio interview in Tasmania last week, Hockey had argued that 4G had the potential to be “far superior” to the NBN, along with other claims such as the idea that it could cost Australians up to $1,000 to be connected to the NBN, and that some Tasmanians receiving replacement NBN hardware could be left behind in the rollout.

    At the core of Hockey’s new NBN statement yesterday was the assertion that he had been taken out of context.

    He argued that Delimiter’s original article reporting his comments in Tasmania had made a “deliberate distortion” of the word ‘capacity’, falsely associating it with the technical term of bandwidth rather than with other aspects of a broadband connection, such as value for money, convenience, nearness of availability/deployment and “numerous other attributes”. In this sense, Hockey argued, mobile broadband offered mobility, portability and convenience for end users, facets which would, he implied not be available through fixed-line broadband connections such as fibre. He suggested that it was these aspects of mobile broadband which was behind the current huge take-up figures of this style of broadband, compared with the flat growth in subscriber numbers being experienced by fixed broadband.

    and

    Furthermore, by continuing to perpetuate misleading information about important policy matters, you are contributing to what has in recent years become a steady decline in the quality of the national debate about such matters, and adding to an ongoing trend of bringing Australia’s political class into ill repute. When even entry-level IT professionals in Australia’s technology sector can prove politicians’ comments about telecommunications technology to be inaccurate (and do so daily in Delimiter’s comments section), our great democracy is in trouble indeed.
    http://delimiter.com.au/2012/06/15/nbn-sorry-mr-hockey-youre-still-wrong/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Delimiter+%28Delimiter%29

  57. Yes utterly stupid of Hockey, and this doesn’t even get into the fact it’s fiber optics that feeds the wireless, not the other way around. And that for the growing take up of wireless to be sustained requires much greater broadband feeding it. That is the NBN.

  58. On the subject of the Olympic Dam project. We have Abbott and Pyne stating:

    During a whistle-stop tour of South Australia, Abbott said BHP Billiton’s $30 billion Olympic Dam expansion project was ”hanging in the balance”. Axing Labor’s carbon tax and mining tax and reining in ”union militancy” were three major incentives that a Coalition government would deliver, he said, adding that in the meantime the Labor government should guarantee that its mining tax won’t be extended to gold, copper and uranium.

    Pyne said BHP was reconsidering the timing of the Olympic Dam expansion because of heightened political risk, saying: ”I directly blame the Gillard government for that.”

    Compared with..below and via other links. That is Abbott and Pyne are basically telling porkies. BHP’s chief exec having denied above. Come on MSM where are the blazing headlines stating: HE LIED

    The truth is more complex, as usual. It’s the timing of the Olympic Dam expansion that is being reviewed, and the carbon tax and mining tax are not decisive.

    BHP’s chief executive, Marius Kloppers, the group’s chairman, Jac Nasser, Rio Tinto’s chief executive, Tom Albanese, and Glencore’s chief executive, Ivan Glasenberg, have all warned recently that Australia is becoming a more expensive place to invest in, and a more regulation-heavy one.

    But as BHP reacts to softer commodity markets by re-sequencing its lengthy line-up of potential resources developments, Australia’s carbon tax and mining tax are not front of mind: hardly surprising, really, given that Kloppers is a supporter of carbon pricing and helped negotiate a watered-down mining tax after Julia Gillard pushed Kevin Rudd aside in June 2010.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/demand-not-carbon-drives-expansion-20120614-20d4s.html#ixzz1xq0xmlfa

  59. ‘Oh and how I laughed and laughed at this drollery.’

    Thanx…you’re such a good audience.

  60. ‘There’ll certainly be a place in my team in Canberra for good candidates and I am really thrilled and encouraged that people of great quality, like Christian Porter, are putting their hands up to run for the Coalition at the next federal election.’

    Tony Abbott

    This fellow Porter will be on the front bench after the next election and may end up as PM in the not too distant future.

  61. Had a good giggle at the comments by one overseas communications expert who stated he could not understand there is actually people against the NBN.

    He said it would be like telling the infrastructure builders in the early 1900′s that there is no need to pave the roads and build dual carriageways as the single lane dirt roads and tracks are good enough and doing the job.

  62. Pyne and Abbott went further. They hinted that the MRRT would extend to the project. A proposition that the PM has denied on more than one occasion.

    Well Min, they are not interested in building the second airport. Maybe it can be extended out into Botany Bay.

  63. drollery.

    New word el gordo. Do you know what it means. I hope you do, as I have no idea of what you are trying to say.

  64. Cu, I believe that the ACT government is latching onto this one, with a push for Canberra to take over a substantial amount of Sydney’s business class travel. Interstate conferences etc can all held in Canberra minus the hassles of Sydney travel. Mind you, I found them fairly efficient..a bit slow when I was in a hurry travelling from the airport.

  65. ‘But I’m only guessing.’

    As I’ve always suspected…

    With the airport, only the people of the central west want it, so I’m guessing a real bullet train (The Cadia Express) is not too far off.

  66. El gordo, that will happen with the O’Farrell government about the same time that they extend the train line from Casino to meet up with the Qld service at Varsity Lakes.

  67. CU. drollery came up yesterday, as follows:-
    Möbius Ecko
    June 13, 2012 @ 6:29 pm
    El Gordo said… “I believed Julia was and that’s why I voted for her….

    Oh and how I laughed and laughed at this drollery. I laughed until my sides hurt, I laughed until my partner, used to my very eccentric ways, started to look at me worryingly, I laughed so much it became breathless squeaks and then I stopped with tears running down my face.

    Thanks for the comedy break el gordo.

  68. There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”


    Warren Buffett

    Dear of dear!

  69. The whole speech:- …. “The taxation system has tilted toward the rich and away from the middle class in the past ten years. It is dramatic … and I think it should be addressed.” “…we (Buffett and his late wife) agreed with Andrew Carnegie, who said that huge fortunes that flow in large part from society should in large part be returned to society. In my case, the ability to allocate capital would have had little utility unless I lived in a rich, populous country in which enormous quantities of marketable securities were traded and were sometimes ridiculously mispriced.” “There’s class warfare, all right. But it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” “But I think that people at the high end — people like myself — should be paying a lot more in taxes. We have it better than we’ve ever had it.” “The rich are always going to say that, you know, just give us more money and we’ll go out and spend more and then it will all trickle down to the rest of you. But that has not worked the last 10 years, and I hope the American public is catching on.” “My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It’s time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice.”

    - Warren Buffett, World’s third richest man

  70. An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailments of all republics.”

    - Plutarch, Greek historian, c.100 A.D.

  71. “Where there is an income tax, the just man will pay more and the unjust less on the same amount of income.”

    - Plato, Greek philosopher, c. 400 B.C

  72. LOVO, and during the Howard years, JWH did his best to convince everyone that they were “wealthy” aka Howard’s Inspirationals. Meanwhile personal debt grew..and grew…and grew.

  73. Well one cannot change the system from government support to user pay without those at the bottom finding themselves in trouble.

    Of course the fact that lower incomes were faced with costs they had not had before, they would be in trouble.

    When one is on a low income, there is not much room to move.

    It did not help much, that the wealth distribution was further strewed towards the upper income earners.

    The GST was the beginning, where a regressive tax was introduced on most that we buy, plus services for the first time. The taxation of the higher income and business was lowered as well.

    We had the tightening of welfare at the lower end, including policies of mutual obligation, while removing means testing from many benefits,

    Then too top it off. we had the rights of the workers removed, first gently then completely with WorkChoices.

    To keep the populace in line, we had the fear of guns, which was ricochet a notch or two with the war against terrorism. A couple of wars was added to the mix.

    We even had the mouse pads and the fridge magnets to remind us, we needed to be afraid. To push the message further, we seen our main city fenced off, and roads closed. We seen our PM in bullet proof armour more than once.

    It is only now that we feel afraid. I ask why?

    I have not seen the barriers out. I have not seen our streets lined with police and army. I have not seen our PM in bullet proof armour.

  74. Talk about petty mindness. Mr. Abbott, if he sticks to previous behaviour, will not be asking questions anyway. It will only be another MSSO, with the same old tirade.

    I do hope the PM takes a hour or so off to relax. She has earn the luxury.

    The federal opposition says it’s been ‘very generous’ in allowing Prime Minister Julia Gillard and environment minister Tony Burke parliamentary pairs so they can attend global meetings this week.

    Coalition environment spokesman Greg Hunt denied the opposition could prevent Mr Burke joining Ms Gillard in Brazil in time for the start of a UN environment summit in Rio, which begins on Wednesday.

    ‘They will be there for critical elements of the conference,’ he told Sky television on Sunday.

    ‘Mr Burke wanted to make a major announcement and then flee the parliament.

    ‘We have been very generous in giving both of them a pair.’

    Mr Burke will be ill be in parliament for Monday and most of Tuesday this sitting week and is expected to be quizzed by the coalition about a government plan to create the world’s largest marine sanctuary around the Australian coastline.

    The government has raised concerns Mr Burke won’t be able to leave Australia for Rio until after question time on Tuesday.

    ‘The government can quibble about not having an extra day sitting on the beach at Rio – that’s a matter for Mr Burke to justify,’ Mr Hunt said.

    Ms Gillard has been paired for all of this week while she attends the Group of 20 nations leaders summit in Mexico on Monday and Tuesday and the UN environment conference from Wednesday.

    http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/06/17/Coalition_being_generous_with_pairs_761852.html

  75. Just watching Meet the Press. The introduction is priceless.

    here appears to be a war between this show and Bolt’s. Bolt has once again poached MTP guest.

    MTP has been told by the Coalition, MTP is too dangerous for them.

    Not that Emerson is getting a free tide.

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