Blast from the past: Meet the “New Tony”… Same as the “Old Tony”

Tony Abbott certainly is a topical issue, as he was when B Tolputt wrote this piece for Café Whispers in September 2010.  The first part of the article is outdated as far as news go, but not Tony Abbott’s modus operandi.  It’s still the same.  He hasn’t changed.

Tony Abbott will never change to be like the people.  Instead, Rupert Murdoch is changing the people to be like Tony Abbott.

I’m digressing.

Read B Toplutt’s post (re-posted below) and you’ll agree that there’s nothing different about Tony Abbott in 2012 as there was in 2010.  A leopard never changes its spots.

Here’s the original article:

Been a little while since I wrote something political. Combination of the daily bullshit dropping since the independent’s decision (though still daily, and still bullshit, it’s not the sole focus of the nation anymore) and the fact that my mind (and free time) were not in a place that makes article writing easy.

Well, this morning, as I watch my kids get ready for school from the lounge-room, I read yet another article about the “new Tony Abbott” and cannot help reflecting on recent events and noting he is no different to the “old Tony Abbott” – just as unfit for leading the nation and just as political (as opposed to honest) as before.

I’ll start with something that actually had my wife and I equally ticked off a few days back. The Liberals and Oakeshott’s bid for Speaker. The background being that both the Liberals & Labor signed off on principles of parliamentary reform they would enact – regardless of who gained government. The principle in question was the ability for an independent Speaker of the House with vote pairing. Now that the Liberals did not get government however, they are breaking their promise.  Apparently, they didn’t do “due diligence” and didn’t know what they were agreeing to. Sorry, but that’s bullshit and I cannot think of anyone that actually believes that (though rusted-on voters might accept it with a wink and a nudge).  The concept is so simple my ten year old understood it and yet the Liberal Party did not? Come on, you guys used up your quota of “frankly unbelievable bull-puckey” with the $11 billion difference of opinion in costings.

Quite simply, the issue is that the Liberals were willing to say anything to get into Government and now that they have to lose a vote to a left-ish independent on a variety of issues.  Like core and non-core and their independently audited (*cough*bogus*cough*) costings – it still appears that a promise from the Liberals isn’t worth squat… even if it is “written down”.

Secondly is the meme that the right-wing talking heads are picking up from Tony’s talking points and running along with, regardless of reality.  That is the one where “Labor are breaking promises already” along with implication that the Liberals wouldn’t. Which is complete and utter tripe! Both major parties were willing to discuss which promises they would & would not break in order to win over the independents. The Liberals did not front up to talks stating “We’re not going to change anything we promised”, they too provided a list of things they were willing to change in order to win power. Perhaps they never intended to keep promises made to the independents – they have form for that.

Then this morning’s headline of Tony Abbott to lead ‘party of ideas’ comes along with the story only making it to the second paragraph before stating:

But the Opposition Leader warned Julia Gillard he will stick to his guns on the mining tax, climate change and broadband policy.

That’s right, Abbott will lead a “party of ideas”… except he will only go along with any ideas that came along prior to 1980! On the mining tax, at least, we know where that is coming from. The Liberals are both the party of Big Business and would love to see Labor unable to meet spending commitments made on proviso of the mining tax. It wouldn’t matter that the Liberals wouldn’t fund those services/infrastructure either, that the mining tax was the prerequisite for providing them, or that it is the Liberal’s intransigence that prevented Labor from providing them – it is broken promises they can highlight for their talking heads in the Murdoch newspapers.

Honestly, my favourite line of the news story (and why I focus on Tony Abbott, not the Liberal Party as a whole) is the following:

But in a message to Labor and his own troops, he signaled he was not for turning on a carbon price…

In other words, the Liberals are a “party of ideas”… but only the ideas Abbott himself likes.

Meet the New Tony Abbott, same as the old authoritarian, dishonest, and frankly unelectable old Tony Abbott.

The Leopard Man

The Leopard Man (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

90 comments on “Blast from the past: Meet the “New Tony”… Same as the “Old Tony”

  1. It’s perfectly clear where Tony Abbott is coming from….. follow the money.

    Tuesday, 21 February 2012
    The rise and rise of mining company donations
    by Bernard Keane

    Labor’s mining tax and the resources boom may have permanently and significantly changed the balance of political donations, with millions of dollars flowing from mining companies to the Coalition, Australian Electoral Commission data shows.

    Mining companies began increasing their stake in the political process before the financial crisis, favouring the Coalition but also contributing to Labor. However, the mining tax saw an extraordinary increase in donations to the Coalition that has opened up a huge funding resource for the Liberals.

    Mining company donations to state and federal Labor parties and the Coalition since 2004 show the extent to which Coalition benefited from the surge in mining company largesse after the Rudd government infuriated them with its RSPT proposal in May 2010.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/02/21/the-rise-and-rise-of-mining-company-donations

  2. He hasn’t changed since he was a two year old boy, and he’ll never change even if he lives to be 120.

    He’ll always been a lying, manipulative, sexist prick.

  3. From Ben’s topic, That’s right, Abbott will lead a “party of ideas”

    Ben wrote that as reported September 2010..and we’re still waiting. The only very sparse ideas have come from Joe Hockey, but every single time Joe comes up with an idea almost everyone else in the party run around like wet hens contradicting each other.

    I have some sympathy for Joe.

  4. A party of ideas? LOL

    Apart from creating a black hole that will suck in workers of all kinds…destroying jobs, the NBN, e-healthcare, trades training centres, cleaner green projects…he leaves Clive, Gina, Twiggy and Rupert larfing in their grand ships on the event horizon…

    and attempts to con the survivors that he can outdo Rudd and Gillard on foreign languages and paid parental leave and Aboriginal affairs…little but the dust particles…tails…of comets.

    Abbott’s sputtering ship THE ARTIFICIAL SWEETENER is still using the fuel he stole from the HEALTHCARE GALAXY.

    Expect the fool to be sucked into his own blackhole soon enuff.

    N’

  5. Migs,
    I thought Abbott was JC…Julius Caesar…but who will play the role of the Liberators led by Gaius Cassius Longinus and Marcus Junius Brutus?

    Metaphorically of course:

  6. Migs, thanks for reposting Ben’s article. It’s right on the money. The only thing that’s changed is that he’s even more appalling if that’s at all possible.

    I’d forgotten about him reneging on the SIGNED agreement on pairing; a lying, hypocritical, sexist prick, alright.

    It’s not that the pathetic press believes anything he says. I don’t think even Anal does. it’s just that they close their eyes and avert their heads to avoid acknowledging the truth.

  7. Nas’, not a chance that Abbott would be able to approach anything resembling Julius Caesar who was a republican, a distinguished writer..he also liked to build bridges, such as across the Rhine.

    More like Caligula I think. ;)

  8. Jane, 2010 Tony Abbott was just a joke. I remember when he was just part of Howard’s B Team. Howard tolerated him..but only just. Howard for all of his faults which are many, used to grit his teeth when having to deal with the likes of Tony Abbott.

  9. Bob, and

    Joe’s a prat.

    Agreed.

    We have a situation where Joe comes out with the only half way reasonable comments emanating from the opposition..therefore heaven help Australia if/when they attempt to govern Australia.

  10. Min @7.18
    “Howard tolerated him..but only just.”
    Which is why Howard has been trying to get his choice (even in 2007) Mal Brough back into parliament.
    Trouble is Mal’s got a few problems with
    LNP
    Police
    CMC

    And the rise of Howard’s choice has probably been the reason Costello has been trying for another go. No wonder Abbott/Credlin have gone over the top pushing for his e(l or r)ection now.

  11. “Howard tolerated him..but only just. Howard ”

    So did the media, if my recollections are tight. He was generally treated as a bit of a joke, when ever he popped up with something to say.

  12. You can add the acronym NTER to that list Sue.

    His fabrications about Aboriginals were disgraceful. Like his statement there was widespread organised child pornography within the communities even though that had been disproven.

    He also has a problem with single mothers and he should be investigated over his land dealings up north.

  13. Sue, I think that old Johnny may not the full cricket pitch’s worth these days. We’ve had elder statesmen such as Fraser, Whitlam and Keating come out and have some interesting things to say..little Johnny is still doing his blink blink, nod nod thing.

    Mal Brough is an opportunist.

  14. From my “Pattern of behaviour” post on this blog:

    http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/category/politics/page/13/

    … there are some of us in both the mainstream & alternative media who are not willing to let Tony Abbott off the hook so easily.

    Mr. Negabore constantly farts on about making the government accountable…well…let’s have a good old look at some of Tony’s stuff-ups & apathetic responses over the past year or so…make him accountable as a leader…

    and YOU readers can judge for yourselves if this man is suitable to lead the Opposition…and perhaps one day lead this culturally, economically, climate complex country.

    THE ABBOTT COCK-UPS:

    - The latest email saga…the opportunistic politicising of natural disasters

    -  Climate change science is “absolute crap”:

     “The argument is absolute crap. However, the politics of this are tough for us. Eighty per cent of people believe climate change is a real and present danger.”

     - An $11 billion black hole to costings revealed during the election under his crafty leadership

    - Walking out of press conference when queried over costings

    - Broadband: lack of knowledge as demonstrated on 7:30 Report…& failure to sell policy

     - Pathetic attempt to buy Andrew Wilkie’s support…poorer negotiating skills than Gillard’s led to Independents supporting ALP to form government

    - Cycling for 10 days during election campaign

    - Promoting himself in Speedos that led to him eventually burning them in public

    - The pathetic Neil Mitchell interview where Abbott couldn’t respond honestly over whether the shadow cabinet had rolled him or not on the payments to stay-at-home Mums idea:

    Mitchell: “What was your plan for a $10,000 payment to stay-at-home mums?”

    Abbott: “There isn’t any such plan.”

    Pretty definitive.

    But Mitchell pressed on: “It’s a simple thing. Was this discussed, was it raised, was it rejected?”

    Abbott: “There was a discussion about many things and I am not saying that this wasn’t one of the things that was discussed but the important thing is what we decided – and what we decided is that the reckless spending must stop.”

    - Travelling to UK conservative convention instead of visiting troops first…followed by a gung-ho, action man photo-op with gun in hand:

     “I thought it was important to do this trip justice, I didn’t want to get here entirely in a jetlagged condition…”

    - Running away from a one-on-one economic debate with Julia Gillard…including saying the following ridiculous comment:

    “Now, are you suggesting to me that when it comes from Julia, no doesn’t mean no?”

    - Views on homosexuality as spoken on Channel Nine’s 60 Minutes:

     “I probably feel a bit threatened, as so many people do. It’s a fact of life.”

    - Admitting he’s sometimes a bullsh*tter on 7:30 Report:

    “I know politicians are going to be judged on everything they say but sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark… The statements that need to be taken absolutely as gospel truth are those carefully prepared scripted remarks.”

    These were some of the great Abbott moments that I could recall off the top of my head…the quotes with some help from the following useful blog posts:

    Tony the Untrustworthy

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2010/politics/tony-the-untrustworthy/

    Tony Abbott’s Struggle With the Truth

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/05/18/tony-abbotts-struggle-with-the-truth/

    Abbott Caught Out Dodging Truth on Reckless Spending

     http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/abbott-caught-out-dodging-truth-on-reckless-spending-20100514-v2w6.html

    Things haven’t improved.

    Yet the man of stuffup after stuffup survives.,

    N’

  15. His hundred and one views on everything is never challenged

    When pulled up he just laughs.

    I think he had had a different opinion on anything he he spuiks.

    He claims to be a weather vane. Is this what we want for a PM..

  16. I wrote that post 15 mths ago…Ben wrote his 20 mths ago…and Abbott’s still stumbling along.

    Our media has let him get away with far too much.

    In any other country he’d be dead in the water by now.

    N’

  17. Hi Nas,

    I enjoyed reading that old post of yours. Like Ben’s, it’s as pertinent today as it was back then.

    I reckon he can get away with anything in this country. Even murder.

  18. Migs…there was a useful contribution from Min too.

    I’m beginning to think same as you…Abbott could get away with anything.

    Obviously there aren’t enuff investigative reporters out there willing to look into his Machiavellian ways.

    N’

  19. Migs…from Wikipedia:

    Action against One Nation Party

    In 1998, Tony Abbott established a trust fund called “Australians for Honest Politics Trust” to help bankroll civil court cases against the One Nation Party and its leader Pauline Hanson.

    Prime Minister John Howard denied any knowledge of existence of such a fund.

    Abbott was also accused of offering funds to One Nation dissident Terry Sharples to support his court battle against the party. However, Prime Minister Howard defended the honesty of Abbott in this matter.[34]
    On 10 July 1998, a writ to block a $500,000 electorial commission payment to Hanson was filed in the Supreme Court of Queensland against the One Nation Party by David Summers and Terry Sharples.

    Both men were former candidates in the Queensland election. Summers also promoted the Easy Tax and Truth in Sentencing policies and held the party portfolio for Tourism.

    Tony Abbott, a Federal Government Member of Parliament, immediately offered financial assistance to Summers and Sharples. According to an affidavit filed in the action, Abbott offered funds to One Nation’s candidate for the seat of Noosa, David Summers, via Sharples to support the court battle against the party. According to Summers, he informed Abbott and Sharples via telephone that while he appreciated the offer, he declined the “financial” assistance as “I did not believe that I had anything to do with the action” as filed by Abbott’s Liberal Party connection, Brisbane Barrister and former president of the Queensland Liberal Party, Paul Everingham. After contact with Sydney’s Barrister-at-Law, Mark Robertson, Summers was represented by Supreme Court Barrister, Rebecca Treston and a Queen’s Counsel from Nicol Robinson Halletts who had him removed from the action.

    During the deregistration action in the Queensland Supreme Court, it was alleged that Abbott also offered funds to David Summers. Summers’ official statement to the court addressed his withdrawal from the action which was based upon the lawfirm organized by Abbott who filed the action, had never obtained his permission to represent him as a Plaintiff. Summers initially was to be a witness for prosecuting the action. During a round-table at the offices of Minter Ellison solicitors, Summers would not accept any deal with the Abbott / Everingham team to finance the court action, but would remain as a witness about his One Nation investigations. While at that meeting in Brisbane, One Nation locals paid Summers’ family a visit at his rural property north of Noosa and the media reported that Summers was “expected to withdraw from the court action after claiming his family had been “threatened”.[39] According to radio and television reports Summers wrote to his solicitor saying, “Acts of intimidation have occurred towards my family from a One Nation member today, and I don’t want things to blow up out of proportion”.

    According to the Crime and Misconduct Commission Report of 2004 on the prosecution of Hanson, between July 1998 until early 1999 Abbott had “considerable involvement with the civil litigation” by ongoing communications with Sharples. Sharples believed Abbott had made a promise to pay his legal costs. This assertion was not contested by Abbott. Abbott did help finance, and in many ways promoted, the bringing of litigation to challenge the legality of the registration of the One Nation Party.

    One Nation’s Queensland State Director Peter James proffered an official court statement by David Summers, which addressed that the Liberal Party, through Abbott, had assisted and supported the action initiated by him and Terry Sharples.

    In the deregistration litigation, Summers did not testify to Abbott’s communications with him and during his campaign for the Seat of Noosa, Summers delegated his preferential votes to Abbott’s Liberal Party over the ALP. According to Liberal Party insiders, their State Noosa electorate council argued strongly that Summers “should not receive preference ahead of Labor”, but was overruled from the top. Furthermore, the Queensland Premier, Rob Borbidge, stated that he was prepared to work with and “head a minority coalition government with the support of One Nation MPs” if One Nation is elected and held “the balance of power after the election”, which they did.

    The trio asserted the $500,000 was not going to go to all of the Queensland One Nation candidates, and would be diverted to fill the coffers of the One Nation leadership. Abbott, Summers and Sharples alleged that Hanson’s political party was not legally registered, not properly constituted and not run by its members. The writ alleged that the party was owned and operated by Hanson, Oldfield and David Etteridge under an umbrella company Pauline Hanson’s One Nation Incorporated.

    Prior to the 13 June 1998 election, One Nation’s campaign director, Oldfield, was aware of Abbott’s communications with Summers regarding Oldfield’s “excessive” expenses when he worked for Abbott years earlier. As Summers’ investigation of Oldfield intensified, Oldfield disendorsed Summers a week before the election via telephone and facsimile with no party vote or endorsement of the decision. Oldfield’s wrath came during an interview with Summers by a Brisbane-based television network. Summers had been investigating allegations of “missing” One Nation funds allegedly being funneled to Vanuatu, a known tax haven in the South Pacific. Summers was also in discussions with Sharples regarding the legal legitimacy of the party’s membership list which Summers refused to discuss publicly due to a Supreme Court confidentiality order.

    The “official” party line given by Oldfield for the disendorsement was due to an alleged “antipapal” statement and other political comments attributed to Summers by Sydney Morning Herald journalist, Greg Roberts. The political mudslinging continued by Oldfield who unilaterally disendorsed more than a dozen candidates nationwide.

    Summers, an investigative journalist and publisher of Exposure Magazine, publicly rebuked Roberts and his article multiple times as false and challenged Roberts to produce evidence of the statements and that an interview was even conducted. Roberts never produced. Summers went public that he was not behind the action with Tony Abbott to “freeze any party funds”; was never interviewed by Roberts, never “issued any such anti-papal statements”, and “does not even believe” the statements that Robert’s attributed to him.

    In the Supreme Court, Summers won his bid, maintaining that the Everingham lawyers never had his permission to represent him and that his name was used illegally to bring the action against the party.

    In 2005 and 2007, complaints were successfully filed by authors such as Scott Balson and Jim Saleam against Roberts’ a reporter for News Limited’s The Australian newspaper’ for wrongful allegations of “anti-Semitism” with the National Press Council for his unwarranted “smear campaigns”.

    It was Sharples’ legal action that laid the basis for the prosecution of the One Nation founders, Hanson and Ettridge, which ultimately resulted in Hanson and Ettridge being imprisoned.

    On 20 August 2003, Hanson and Ettridge started their three year sentence behind bars for electoral fraud.

    Opposition MP Craig Emerson demanded to know where the money for the trust, reportedly $100,000, had come from, saying that taxpayers had a right to know.

    Treasurer Peter Costello said of Abbott’s actions, “I don’t think that the way to resolve political disputes is through the courts. I think the way to resolve it is at the ballot box.”[55] The conviction against Hanson was ultimately overturned, leading to criticism of a range of politicians for political interference by the adjudicating justice.

    Abbott conceded that the political threat One Nation posed to the Howard Government was “a very big factor” in his decision to pursue the legal attack, but he also claimed to be acting “in Australia’s national interest”. Howard also defended Abbott’s actions saying “It’s the job of the Liberal Party to politically attack other parties – there’s nothing wrong with that.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson

    Hmmm…

    N’

  20. Nasking @ 9.26 the youtube clip, should be posted to every journalist because they seem to have missed it.

    Actually Miglo the whole link should be sent out, as the msm seem to have missed the last 2 years at least.

  21. Sue, I’ll see that those clips of Nas’s make their way to as many Facebook pages as they can. This thread has already had 38 Facebook Shares which is a good indication that it’s being read. The number of ‘hits’ from Facebook is quite high today. Good stuff.

  22. Sue,
    I agree the MSM is not doing its job. They are an embarrassment to this country.

    Migs,
    Re: Facebook etc.
    Good stuff.
    Let’s keep the bastard’s honest. Apparently we can’t rely on the MSM to do so.
    Cheers
    N’

  23. Nas, I just noticed that your thread from 15 months ago had 30 Facebook Shares way back then, and that was before we started promoting/networking Café Whispers with Facebook. Write something good, and people will find it.

  24. Miglo

    that’s great. and the message out of all this is that there are plenty of people out there not content with the msm.

    sure the msm can write crap and then we get to pull it apart or just point out the bleeding obvious..
    example that tosser ticehurst

    good night

  25. At the beginning of the year, Abbott made his way to Cairns, press ‘conference’ announced, but no-one showed up for it, apart from one press photographer who asked the directions to another meeting. .

  26. I have been banned from facebook for one month, apparently an LNP supporter reported me for referring to her as an escapee from the lunatic asylum. Pretty tame stuff when compared with some of their offerings. I see this as an attack on freedom of speech, this type of censorship would do the Chinese proud. But if the very same principles were applied to them they would be the first to complain. If anything, this has just made me more determined to become a card carrying member of the Labor Party, and bring back the old values and ideals of the Labor Party.

  27. Tincan, I heard previously of this sort of thing happening – a quite mild statement earns the person a banning from Facebook, however Facebook remains either completely silent or are extremely slow to react to things such as racial hate pages.

  28. Hello tincan. One of the members of that right wing group must have put in a complaint. They are a touchy, precious mob is the right wing. They don’t mind spitting out their venomous bile but certainly can’t handle any criticism – or the truth – themselves.

  29. Katharine Murphy makes a very valid point..a complete discouragement of governments to attempt difficult issues.

    But won’t the coming federal election at least in part be a negative referendum on a government trying to do big, bold and not always popular things, such as introducing carbon taxes and mining taxes?

    And where does that legacy leave Abbott, who is a doer, who will want to affirm, and will have scope to affirm, not just negate?

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/will-tonys-story-be-a-thriller-20120513-1ykq7.html#ixzz1umyGMIPc

  30. You lot are a laugh a minute trying so hard to convince yourselves that an Abbott government would be worse than the dogs breakfast that we have in Canberra at present.
    Just one question really which is worse, an incompetent crew with an ideology that you agree with or a competent administration that is based upon a political philosophy you disagree with?
    Because its clear that Gillard’s crew could not organise a good time in a brothel despite Craig Thompson’s personal experience in that department.
    Even on the “lesser of two evils” principle you would have to choose competence if you have any sense at all.

  31. Iain, I am glad we keep you amused. At least in your eyes, we must fill a worthwhile role for you.

    I am still amuse that you think Mr., Abbott will deliver better government. That is amazing when I and many others can find no evidence to back your belief.

    I and many others find it very confusing finding out what Mr. Abbott stands for and what his plans are for the future. They change daily.

    It is my belief, that even if he won, he will only be around for s short time. As far as the Liberal Party is concerned, he would have done his job by then.

    What confuses me more, who in the Liberal Party would take over from Mr. Abbott. That is even more scary

    All I can make out from what Mr. Abbott is promising, when one manages to get past the slogans and stunts, is many years of unstable government, while attempts to get the numbers to carry out his demolishing programme of all that Labor has done since Mr. Howard.

    Yes, Iain, I am glad we keep you amuse. It will be over when the fat lady sings, and not before.

    I am afraid the proof will be in the eating. I can see many upset stomachs coming.

    It is scary, but you could be right. If so, I hope that Mr. Abbott lives up to your expectation for the sake of the country.

  32. “And where does that legacy leave Abbott, who is a doer, who will want to affirm, and will have scope to affirm, not just negate?”

    Abbott a doer?

    That is an amazing statement.

    What has he ever done, except demolish everything in his path.

    What is one constructive thing has he dona as a minister in any portfolio.

    What was his main role in n the Howard government.?

    A doer, is one I cannot buy. Sorry.

  33. An Abbott government worse? We would have Hockey as treasurer and Julie Bishop as Foreign Minister and who knows what Turnbull’s job might be – however one thing can be certain..Abbott following on with Howard’s legacy of never ever promoting anyone with any talent, it won’t be anything very important…where T’bull might have the opportunity to grab the spotlight away from Tony.

  34. Iain, instead of your usual sweeping generalisations, how about some specific examples of this alleged incompetence by the Gillard government.

    Is it a poor record of legislation passed? Can’t be that-300+ pieces of legislation put before the House and passed. You’d have a lot of trouble passing that off as evidence of incompetence and ineptitude, I’d say.

    Maybe it’s the fact that we have a very strong economy, the envy of the developed world? Surely it can’t be that?

    Low unemployment? Who in their right mind wants high unemployment?

    Record low interest rates? Nah!

    Handling of the GFC? Don’t bother with the “waste” meme, there’s too much evidence to the contrary. Rumours, innuendo, pathetic allegations and plain old lies emanating from Menzies House and Little Prissy Whynne aren’t evidence.

    And we all know for a fact that the opposition’s only approach would have been sitting on their hands and tax cuts, presumably aimed at the wealthy, because the tens of thousands thrown out of work as a result of the do nothing plan, would have no need of a tax cut.

    And what their response would have been to all the bankrupted businesses is anybody’s guess.

    Let me guess. “Oh but we have a surplus! What economic giants we are! Yes, yes there’s a bit of economic pain, but that’s OK, it’s only the poor and low income earners who are affected. Gina, Twiggy and Clive are all OK”

    Carbon pricing? People will be compensated for increases in power costs and will be no worse off.

    However, under the opposition’s DAP scheme, everyone will be taxed an extra $1300/annum ($25/week), which will be handed over to the major polluters.

    As I prefer being compensated, I’m sure you won’t mind picking up my tab under the Liars Party’s brilliant plan to feather the nests of the big polluters.

    1% reduction in company tax for small to medium business? Another broken promise, you say? Sorry to burst that bubble, but the party of business lovers has vetoed that and it didn’t make it through the House.

    Perhaps you have an explanation for that act of bastardry.

    I’m at a complete loss as to why Liealot would deny the very people he claims are his support base, a tax break, except to observe that he’s only interested in big business, big gambling and big tobacco.

    $18,000 tax free threshold? Gone under the opposition’s grand plan to enrich Gina, Twiggy and Clive.

    Dental care plan?

    Cost of living? Facts only, please, because we have the figures at our disposal.

    And speaking of fiddling tills etc, I understand Liealot’s right hand woman, the unlovely Slagabella doesn’t mind helping herself to the estate of old men with Alzheimer’s and also has an aversion to declaring campaign contributions of $100,000 and the use of a vehicle. Any twinges of outrage about that sort of behaviour?

    Or Liealot’s defamation case? No feelings of concern about that and his other unsavoury behaviours in the past? His undeclared $710,000 mortgage?

    Surely his continued support for the thug MJ Fisher, should be a cause for concern or Sean Edwards sleazy misleading and deceptive conduct?

    If you subscribe to the Liealot Rule, then you must also demand that their votes not be recorded.

    Just a thought-what if Liealot is convicted? Will you be outraged that a person like that could be PM?

    Even on the “lesser of two evils” principle you would have to choose competence if you have any sense at all.

    I’ll chose competence, so I won’t be putting 1 next to any Liars Party candidate.
    You forget we’ve all had a taste of Liars Party “competence” and we just can’t afford it.

  35. CU @9.52am &9.57am, couldn’t agree more. Liealot made a complete pig’s breakfast of the health portfolio and any other position he got his trotters on.

    Not only is he a policy free zone, if he’s allowed to touch anything resembling a policy, it goes to pot.

    As for Hockey, Robb, Prissy et al, to paraphrase Min, the country will be in deep, deep doo doo if that mob gets the keys to government. :(

    ….Abbott following on with Howard’s legacy of never ever promoting anyone with any talent,….

    Alright, Min. I’m calling you on that statement. I want solid evidence that there is any talent to hold back. :lol: :lol: :lil:

  36. ‘I and many others find it very confusing finding out what Mr. Abbott stands for and what his plans are for the future. They change daily.’

    That’s not entirely true, on the important issues he has been rock solid….no CO2 tax and no mining tax.

    And I agree with Iain’s comment that ‘you lot’ are a laff.

  37. Catching up

    Iain, I am glad we keep you amused. At least in your eyes, we must fill a worthwhile role for you.

    Yep, you lot provide me with a chance for some distraction and mental exercise.

    I am still amuse(d) that you think Mr., Abbott will deliver better government. That is amazing when I and many others can find no evidence to back your belief.

    Lets be real here CU Gillard and co have lowered the bar a very long way down, in fact I reckon that to go lower that Gillard Tony Abbot would really need to use a shovel and lots of sweat.

    I and many others find it very confusing finding out what Mr. Abbott stands for and what his plans are for the future. They change daily.

    No that is not the case at all, Just look to his budget reply speech

    It is my belief, that even if he won, he will only be around for s short time. As far as the Liberal Party is concerned, he would have done his job by then.

    I see no evidence at all that there would be any challenge to Abbott’s leadership in his first of second term as PM, why on earth would they dump a winner

    What confuses me more, who in the Liberal Party would take over from Mr. Abbott. That is even more scary

    Well as a challenge is extremely unlikely just stop worrying about that.

    All I can make out from what Mr. Abbott is promising, when one manages to get past the slogans and stunts, is many years of unstable government, while attempts to get the numbers to carry out his demolishing programme of all that Labor has done since Mr. Howard.

    There is every reason to believe that Labor will be very convincingly defeated at the next election do you really think that those Labor members who survive the carnage are going to go to the barricades to support the policies, like the carbon tax,that will ahve so mortally wounded the once great party?

    Yes, Iain, I am glad we keep you amuse(d). It will be over when the fat lady sings, and not before.

    Sure but I hear her warming up ;)

    I am afraid the proof will be in the eating. I can see many upset stomachs coming.

    True enough but I suspect that many of those upset stomachs that you foresee will have been well and truly hardened from trying to digest the unpalaitable truth that Gillard has been a woeful PM.

    It is scary, but you could be right. If so, I hope that Mr. Abbott lives up to your expectation for the sake of the country.

    Well we shall see. However I just think that you fellows of the left are kidding yourselves by running the line that an Abbott government will be a horror show because I expect that it will actaully be rather dull once they have put right all of Gillard’s follies and just get down to rather boring sound administration of the country. That will however be a nice change form the crisis to crisis experience of Labor government

    Min

    An Abbott government worse? We would have Hockey as treasurer and Julie Bishop as Foreign Minister and who knows what Turnbull’s job might be – however one thing can be certain..Abbott following on with Howard’s legacy of never ever promoting anyone with any talent, it won’t be anything very important…where T’bull might have the opportunity to grab the spotlight away from Tony.

    Turnbull will never be leader again no matter how much you dream of it.
    jane

    Iain, instead of your usual sweeping generalisations, how about some specific examples of this alleged incompetence by the Gillard government.

    Ok Jane I will consider your list and provide a detailed rebuttal.

    Is it a poor record of legislation passed? Can’t be that-300+ pieces of legislation put before the House and passed. You’d have a lot of trouble passing that off as evidence of incompetence and ineptitude, I’d say.

    To govern a party has to have a majority on the floor of the house of reps, with the aid of the Independents and the Greens Gillard has such a majority. Frankly to claim that passing legislation is a sign of good government is utterly stupid.In his time in government. John Howard passed much more legislation does that make his a good government in your eyes? Of course not. Its not the number of bills passed (many of which are entirely uncontentious) its what those bills do that matters.

    Maybe it’s the fact that we have a very strong economy, the envy of the developed world? Surely it can’t be that?

    The question that you need to ask is that strong economy because of the Gillard government or despite it?

    Low unemployment? Who in their right mind wants high unemployment?

    would you even think to consider the issue of casualistion and the way that even working one hour a fortnight makes someone “employed”?

    Record low interest rates? Nah!

    Once again can the government really claim any credit for that?

    Handling of the GFC? Don’t bother with the “waste” meme, there’s too much evidence to the contrary. Rumours, innuendo, pathetic allegations and plain old lies emanating from Menzies House and Little Prissy Whynne aren’t evidence.

    Hmm I reckon that the starting position of our economy with no debt and a huge surplus had more to do with our journey through the GFC than Labor’s ah Hem “management”.

    And we all know for a fact that the opposition’s only approach would have been sitting on their hands and tax cuts, presumably aimed at the wealthy, because the tens of thousands thrown out of work as a result of the do nothing plan, would have no need of a tax cut.

    Jane that is utter bollocks.

    And what their response would have been to all the bankrupted businesses is anybody’s guess.

    are you suggesting that business don’t go broke on Labor’s watch? :lol:

    Let me guess. “Oh but we have a surplus! What economic giants we are! Yes, yes there’s a bit of economic pain, but that’s OK, it’s only the poor and low income earners who are affected. Gina, Twiggy and Clive are all OK”

    Your Marxist prejudices are showing Jane! if you can hold them in check why don’t you consider just who benefited form the school halls program it certainly wasn’t the little local builders, strangely it was a whole raft of “Labor mates” who managed to make a motza by over quoting and under delivering.

    Carbon pricing? People will be compensated for increases in power costs and will be no worse off.

    Are you really that stupid that you believe this? There will be a far greater ripple through the economy than you think and as the tax is designed to increase and the so called compensation isn’t how long will it be before the compensation is outstripped by the rising costs?

    However, under the opposition’s DAP scheme, everyone will be taxed an extra $1300/annum ($25/week), which will be handed over to the major polluters.

    I actaully agree with you that the opposition should drop its scheme in its entirety however it does at least have the potential to improve our agricultural soils and our tree cover. What will the Carbon tax give us? nothing apart form a huge Ponzi scheme and rich spivs and shysters.

    As I prefer being compensated, I’m sure you won’t mind picking up my tab under the Liars Party’s brilliant plan to feather the nests of the big polluters.

    Nup I would prefer that neither scheme were brought to fruition, but if I had to chose between the two on a lesser of two evils principle it would be the Libs schemem by a small whisker.

    1% reduction in company tax for small to medium business? Another broken promise, you say? Sorry to burst that bubble, but the party of business lovers has vetoed that and it didn’t make it through the House.

    Strange how you ignore the fact that Gillard could not convince her masters the Greens to support that,Perhaps she should not have promised what she could not deliver, like the Timor and Malaysian solutions ;)

    Perhaps you have an explanation for that act of bastardry.

    The Opposition is not part of the government

    I’m at a complete loss as to why Liealot would deny the very people he claims are his support base, a tax break, except to observe that he’s only interested in big business, big gambling and big tobacco.

    there are matters of principle involved.

    $18,000 tax free threshold? Gone under the opposition’s grand plan to enrich Gina, Twiggy and Clive.

    Hmm I wonder about that, a higher threshold would certainly be a good idea but maybe not as high as !8k a year

    Dental care plan?

    Hmm How long is a piece of string Jane?
    Better dental care is something that we all want and I will belive it when I see it under any government.

    Cost of living? Facts only, please, because we have the figures at our disposal.

    Well Cost of living is certain to raise in June due to the Carbon tax, No carbion tax = lower cost of living.

    And speaking of fiddling tills etc, I understand Liealot’s right hand woman, the unlovely Slagabella doesn’t mind helping herself to the estate of old men with Alzheimer’s and also has an aversion to declaring campaign contributions of $100,000 and the use of a vehicle. Any twinges of outrage about that sort of behaviour?

    Yep I dislike any abuse of process no matter who it is by, you on the other hand only do so if the accused is a Tory

    Or Liealot’s defamation case? No feelings of concern about that and his other unsavoury behaviours in the past? His undeclared $710,000 mortgage?

    WTF are you on about here?

    Surely his continued support for the thug MJ Fisher, should be a cause for concern or Sean Edwards sleazy misleading and deceptive conduct?

    WTF are you on about here?

    If you subscribe to the Liealot Rule, then you must also demand that their votes not be recorded.

    You assume that either such a rule exists (when it doesn’t) and that I subscribe to it, which I don’t.

    Just a thought-what if Liealot is convicted? Will you be outraged that a person like that could be PM?

    WTF are you on about here?

    Even on the “lesser of two evils” principle you would have to choose competence if you have any sense at all.

    I’ll chose competence, so I won’t be putting 1 next to any Liars Party candidate.
    You forget we’ve all had a taste of Liars Party “competence” and we just can’t afford it.

    Hmm I suspect that you are just an unreconstructed Marxist with the most severe case of confirmation bias in the country Jane.

  38. So, I see that ‘The Cafe’ is still open.

    A bit bored today so thought I’d drop in as don’t comment as much anymore, a bit over at The Australian…too busy with Great Southern Cross (ANDEV) these days.

    Nothing to offer here as I’ve crossed over to the dark side but it is warmer there, must be Global Warming! Might cross over again in the future but doubt it as don’t believe I’ll live that long.

    Labor had so much promise in 2007 but blew it big time…oh well.

  39. Well at least Iain and el gordo are in high spirits. They have much to laugh about, apparently. Small things amuse the most extraordinary of minds.

    Perhaps scaper could browse el gordo’s past comments. He’s in need of a lift.

  40. Iain and Turnbull will never be leader again no matter how much you dream of it.

    That’s a shame, Turnbull is probably one of the few Liberals in the current bunch with an ability to think long term.

  41. Migs…nah, as fit and furious as I ever was although I went to the doctor the other week for a full physical for the first time this century.

    I’m not laughing as not on any side, I only care for Australia. Met Abbott last year after the Convoy by chance. He came into the office of a MP I was meeting with over my opposition to CSG extraction. No fan of Tony and I’ll leave it at that.

    On the Convoy…it was based on no confidence of both sides but we were drowned out by Jones and his rent a crowd whom if I knew they were going to turn up, wouldn’t of bothered but at least kicked a small goal on my CSG gripe. I was not happy as you can see in the link (flag bearer).

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/party-games-convoy-counterattack/story-fn6ck620-1226119946706

    Another cause I’m fighting for is a Fair Go For Our Veterans. Both sides are responsible for the disparity. Our Veterans and their spouses are getting a raw deal. I lobby alone and have had some good feedback by the moderate Libs but getting stonewalled by Labor.

  42. Well Migs
    I’m glad that you think the inevitable Fall of the house of Gillard is only a small thing because that way you will be neither surprised or that upset when it comes to pass. ;)

  43. Min

    That’s a shame, Turnbull is probably one of the few Liberals in the current bunch with an ability to think long term.

    :lol:
    That is his shtick but he is no more forward thinking than any pollie if you ask me. that said I actaully like him as a person but I think that he is very wrong headed to have taken up the Warminista religion and to have faith in ETS as away of addressing the “problem”

  44. I have much respect for Karl Marx critique of how society works. I also agree with much of what Adam Smith has written.

    Many of their views were not that far apart.

    What I do not have any respect for anything that comes from the far AND EXTREME RIGHT.

    I believe that governments are there to rule for the common good.

    I feel for those who are obsessed with debt and deficits.

    Both can be good.

    As for Mr. Abbott’s budget, everyone seem to be in agreement that is is a joke.

    “That’s not entirely true, on the important issues he has been rock solid….no CO2 tax and no mining tax.”

    Your statement definitely not true. Mr. Abbott has said there is no global warming. He has said there is.

    He said during the Rudd years, why not bring in a carbon tax. He then said that he would not supports any market based on carbon emission.

    He now says he believes in climate change. He now says that the way to deal with it, us by direct action. Direct Action I believe does contains penalties on high emitters.

    What it does do, is transfer the cost from the emitters to the people.

    It will be a costly and inefficient scheme. There is no support for the scheme in the industry..

    As for the no mining cost, that will be bad for the economy. How is Mr. Abbott going to deal with a multi-facet economy, if money is not diverted from that source.

    The people own the minerals. Only exceptional profits are taxed.

    The mining industry have not been shy in the past, putting their hands out for handouts from the taxpayers.

    The mining industry have not knocked back the taxpayers money that built much of the infrastructure to enable the profits to be made.

  45. “We would have Hockey as treasurer and Julie Bishop as Foreign Minister”

    Indeed, a prospect not worth thinking about..

    How amusment was Bishop’s recent return from Indonesia, where she proudly declared that she felt that “she had got her point across (to the Indonesians)”

    They actually thought she was a paternalistic, condescending, pompous bitch!”

  46. Iain: I see no evidence at all that there would be any challenge to Abbott’s leadership in his first of second term as PM, why on earth would they dump a winner

    Abbott hasn’t won yet.

    Don’t count yer chickens before they’re hatched.

    In fact, I don’t recall Abbott winning the last election. Winner?

    Politics can change on a dime these days.

    N’

  47. We all know that the PM is likely to be defeated at the next election, if the polls are any indicator. If so, that will be the will of the electors.

    We need to remember that a week is a long time in politics, but if the doomsayers are correct, what will those who vote the PM out get for their efforts.

    Abbott has played a significant role in fracturing consensus through his aggressive swingeing partisanship, and through his subtext that enough’s enough when it comes to doing big bold things.

    If the polls are right, Abbott could not only take The Lodge, but both houses of the Parliament. He would then be in the box seat to reshape Australia is his own image, handed the rare treat in politics of power without much compromise.

    It would be a huge, exhilarating affirmation. To do what, exactly? Big, bold things?

    But won’t the coming federal election at least in part be a negative referendum on a government trying to do big, bold and not always popular things, such as introducing carbon taxes and mining taxes?

    And where does that legacy leave Abbott, who is a doer, who will want to affirm, and will have scope to affirm, not just negate?

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/will-tonys-story-be-a-thriller-20120513-1ykq7.html#ixzz1uoXUgfiZ

  48. Iain wrote: Lets be real here CU Gillard and co have lowered the bar a very long way down

    Yes, I guess introducing the NBN, funding schools bigtime and setting up to introduce a disability scheme is hitting sewer level compared to helping put together a war based on bogus evidence, the Tampa scare, children overboard lies, AWB turning a blind eye…and helping to create an ABC Learning childcare monopoly and resulting crash.

    Of course the Coalition are just leaping lords and ladies of the high bar.

    N’

  49. Cu wrote: If the polls are right, Abbott could not only take The Lodge, but both houses of the Parliament. He would then be in the box seat to reshape Australia is his own image, handed the rare treat in politics of power without much compromise.

    The polls won’t hold.

    N’

  50. nasking, at least we acknowledge what might happen, unlike many others.

    That does not mean we have to believe it will be good or like it. We can only continue to say what we believe will happen if the doomsayers are correct.

    Iain, made a comment that getting legislation through is no big deal. I believe it is. I also believe most of the legislation has got through has substance.

    What I do find amazing that most goes through in quick time and without amendment. The last budget, and tit appears this one, goes through with little opposition.

    Even Howard did not have this luxury for most of his rule. He has to fight hard for things like the changes to Mabo and other legislation.

    Mr. Abbott has been too lazy or does not have the ability to negotiate with the cross benches, to challenge the legislation.

    This is the man that said in the budget reply, that he would be able to bring the states on line to do as he wishes.

    Mt. Abbott has shown no ability to negotiate. I fail to see how they are going to come to agreement with Indonesia. The efforts of Ms. Bishop so far has been dismal.

    Mr. has shown only one aptitude, that is to demolish.

    He has also shown, he can only deal with one matter at a time.

    He has concentrated all his efforts since the last election, on stunts and three word slogans.

    One cannot govern that way.

    He cannot even get his own shadow ministry to agree with him.

    He does not appear to be a team player. There are many on the shadow back bench that have contributed nothing.

  51. Min @11.40am, you’re just a softy.

    Iain, Liealot’s defamation case, of course. All reinforcing the saying about people in glass houses and stones.

    http://www.workplaceinfo.com.au/industrial-relations/unions/stand-over-remarks-bring-abbott-defamation-writ

    and this, http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1313827432

    and this: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2012/02/19/Tony-Abbott-we-are-sick-of-your-lies.aspx

    http://www.news.com.au/national/war-of-words-political-battle-turns-question-time-personal/story-e6frfkw9-1226352353248

    The Liars like to dish it out but they sure can’t take it!

    Carbon tax, sorry no dice, Liealot has stated that he is in favour, but changed his mind when he thought it might give him a political advantage with the likes of el gordo.

    So given your definition of a lie, Liealot must be branded as a chronic liar, because he’s changed his mind so many times. ergo he is totally unfit for the role of prime Minister of this country.

    They actually thought she was a paternalistic, condescending, pompous bitch!”

    And they’re her best negotiating tools, reb

  52. I think they need to take Julie Bishop’s passport away from her. We just can’t afford to have her visiting other countries. It’s too damaging for our reputation.

  53. Tony Abbott has just called for Senator Mary Jo Fisher to resign. At a press conference at a small manufacturing business on the Gold Coast, Mr Abbott said that a Code of Conduct wasn’t necessary as “politicians should just know that fraud, theft and sexual harrassment are just wrong”. I am sure Mr Abbott would add to that list assault, especially when someone has been found guilty in the courts.

    So Mary Jo Fisher, your leader Tony Abbott says you “should just know, you did wrong”. No excuses allowed, no hiding behind an illness, no saying you were being treated for depression. MJF found guilty of assault, you should lead the way and resign now.

    Senator Mary Jo Fisher you should know and you should go.

  54. How much longer can the media concentrate on Mr. Abbott; who is acting like like a dog on heat, that senses there is a bitch on heat nearby.

    It is more sickening, when Mr. Abbott is accusing the PM of despicable behavior because she insists on supporting ones right to the presumption of innocence, the right to remain silent and the separation of powers. It is his behavior that should be questioned. It is he, that has crossed that line.

    In other words, on this – as with other issues – it’s been spooked by the Media storm and by a focussed and relentless opposition.
    Nothing much will change between now and the election. It won’t be Peter Costello and his denied unrequited ambitions but rather Slipper and Thomson – or even the ghost of Kevin Rudd – who will dominate the media hole for months yet.

    We know front pages will always be about raw politics and polls – good, bad or indifferent. As an example, the quite remarkable front page of last Saturday’s Age newspaper tells us how political journalists are now central players in the business of running the country. That front page was nothing more than a vehicle for personal opinion and grudge.

    What is inevitable in Australia is that disconnect between economic and social reality and raw politics will continue, unabated – and our nervous, frail politicians in government will pay the ultimate political price.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Gillard-Government-Australian-economy-Craig-Thomso-pd20120514-U9RDW?opendocument&src=idp&utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=40617&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary

  55. Nas and The polls won’t hold.

    One thing about the media, and this is they always want a tight contest because shoo-ins are basically boring. Closer to the election, if things run as they usually do, the media will start running some positive stories for the government and the polls will *amazingly* tighten.

  56. Alby Schultz (Lib member for Hume) doesn’t know. He assaulted a colleague in a party meeting. Most of the current sitting Liberals opposition members must not have known either, they witnessed the assault and did nothing, no call for him to resign – hypocrites the lot of them.

  57. “Tony Abbott has just called for Senator Mary Jo Fisher to resign. At a press conference at a small manufacturing business on the Gold Coast, Mr Abbott said that a Code of Conduct wasn’t necessary as ”

    That is unbelievable. The Senator is entitled to sit in the house. The people who voted for her have a right to be represented.

    Is there anyone or thing, this man will not trash, to get his wish.

    I hope the lady has the guts to tell him to get lost, and remove herself from the party.

    He has not even got the guts to negotiate with her behinds the scene, in encouraging her to resign.

    I have little time for her, but I do have for the conventions and rules of our parliament.

  58. Sorry CU

    I was just being sarcastic. MJF did not pass through Tony Abbott’s brain when he was talking about “politicians should just know”.

  59. Sue was extrapolating Mr Abbot’s remarks out to their logical conclusion CU, but “Abbott” and “Logic” are incompatible :)

  60. Sue wrote: So Mary Jo Fisher, your leader Tony Abbott says you “should just know, you did wrong”. No excuses allowed, no hiding behind an illness, no saying you were being treated for depression. MJF found guilty of assault, you should lead the way and resign now.

    Sue,
    there are some men whose shoes you do not need to walk in to know them…and judge them.

    Some have a dark spirit…raging and writhing…projecting a dark mood on to many…desperately attempting to seduce…manipulate…create hurdles.
    Hold back the light.

    Recognised by all eventually for what it is.

    N’

  61. Sorry Sue, I did look at it twice, but my opinion of the man is so low, I took it to be true.

    My comment still stands. Coalition members do not belong to the leaders.

    Leaders cannot make anyone resign. They have no control over their vote.

    I have a sinking feeling that it might be illegal to influence the vote of a sitting MP. Either by bribe or threat.

  62. They are making much of the length of time, the Thomson inquiry is going on. This is the norm in the commercial sector.

    The Groves matter has been going on a similar length of time.

    Another mess left by Mr. Howard, that the Labor government had to sort out.

    Former childcare mogul Eddy Groves, who is awaiting trial over the collapse of ABC Learning Centres, has been allowed to leave Australia.

    Groves is on bail awaiting a district court trial later this year for allegedly breaching the Corporations Act by failing to properly perform his duties as a company director while head of ABC Learning Centres.

    He has pleaded not guilty

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-11/groves-free-to-leave-australia/4006534

  63. I would be surprise if this went anywhere. The bottom line would have to be, that ones legal and civil rights be respected.

    Federal politicians say they do not think a formal code of conduct for MPs would improve behaviour.

    The saga surrounding now-independent MP Craig Thomson and Speaker Peter Slipper has renewed focus on the standards of parliamentarians.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard says she is happy to discuss a formal code of conduct for MPs, but she already promised to do that as part of the agreements Labor signed in 2010 to form government, and there has been little progress since a draft was issued last year.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-14/mps-reluctant-to-support-code-of-conduct/4009436

  64. Code of conduct? That means breaking the long established code of bad conduct.

    Ever wondered why Labor never pursued the Howard government for their bordering treasonous acts? Same will happen when the coalition government get in. They have so much dirt on each other the code can not be broken.

    Meanwhile the divide and fool is the fare. If Australians knew the truth there would be a revolution! Could think of a use for those flag posts leading up and from Parliament House and not to hang the Eureka flags.

  65. “Meanwhile the divide and fool is the fare.”

    scaper, that is nearer the truth. Much better than divide and rule.

  66. Scaps, how is the project going..I’m sure that you must have been chuffed about the Labor government’s investment in infrastructure after so many years of neglect.

    Remember when we were thinking of projects suitable for inland investment.

  67. Min, it is tough slogging, like herding snakes but slowly making progress. Have got into bed with people that the left detests but has to be done.

    You might have heard of the Northern Foodbowl Proposal and you will hear more of Special Economic Zones in the latter half of this year. Kind of putting the horse behind the plough.

    Still pushing the water transfer project to the MDB…it is now fully designed and costed. A tad under $10B which is a fifth of the deficit this year. More important to reinvigorate the rural centres we have now.

    Not much interest but someone came up with an idea to relocate certain government departments to regional centres to stimulate their economies. Could fly but a long way to go on that prospect.

    Yes, not impressed with the progress on infrastructure but of the belief that the renaissance of our pioneering spirit should be funded by private enterprise. Just got to create the conditions to achieve such.

    On Abbott…would not be too concerned as on the leash. A turbulent five years ahead. We get what we deserve.

  68. Scaps, huge problems with the Northern Foodbowl proposal of course. Southerners simplistically think..well, there’s one hell of a lot of a water up there, so why not use it for agriculture. And of course, it’s mostly to do with the fact that the region is next to useless for growing anything except that which is already grown due to the extremely poor soils, high leachate etc.

  69. Tony Abbott – Lying for political gain

    ‘Right now, in reporting comments by the Opposition on the National Broadband Network, I — and no doubt other journalists — are facing an uncomfortable decision. When do you stop reporting that a leading political figure is ‘misleading’ Australia on a certain issue, has made a ‘factually inaccurate’ statement, or is simply ‘mistaken’, and start reporting instead that that politician is deliberately ‘lying’ on an issue in public, for political gain?”

    http://delimiter.com.au/2012/05/14/is-abbott-consciously-lying-on-nbn-costs/

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